we haven t actually done this before when it comes to insurrection. how does this work? that s the real problem, but you do have another judge who is involved in this. judge mehta, last february, basically said that donald trump incited violence and so there s a real leak. if you incite violence to interfere with the election, to interfere with the certification of the election results, the peaceful transfer of power, that is clearly within everyone definitions of insurrection. it is true that there hasn t been a case and so this is a case of first impression, and that it raises a problem. but there s never been a case before against president because no president has acted in such an outrageous way. just because he is the first to act this way, if you don t want him to not be glass, which we do, yes arctic air and make him accountable or someone else will follow in his step.
january 6th will repeat itself and quote. for the latest on tonight s breaking, news we are joined by nbc news senior congressional correspondent, my good, friend garrett haake, garrett good evening to. what is that we have learned tonight? it seems that we have some information about what the committee will do. it is unconfirmed information and it seems to be a lot of undercurrent about the fact that the final decision hasn t been made. yeah, ali, if you go through it chronologically here, yesterday morning and thursday morning barry thompson the chairman of this committee told me that the issue of the issue was settled. it was done. but the time that we kind of close the congressional business day, today on, friday it became clear that that was not the case and that there is still a very much this active conversation going on among members of the committee about how many of these were for us to make about donald trump specifically, and perhaps about other actors, not just in the
tried. but i think what we are seeing now is a growing consensus that the committee is treating this almost like a prosecutor what. what are the most important charges? what are the best charges? what are the charges that are going to stick? and eventuality, they are looking at some other players. i don t think they are going to go in and make referrals for every phony elector out there, but i wouldn t be surprised if they do make referrals for people like mark meadows and john eastman. who were clearly top players in all of this. so i think the committee not only has to decide what charges apply to donald trump, but what people to include in that. and what do they do with people like the members of congress who they don t have maybe an airtight case, but they think that there is something there . to the creighton other category for those people and say listen, we haven t been able to get to the battle of this, but the justice department is sure to look at these people. that s not a
this is a former president, so indictment is not even remotely not possible. it s completely within the rounds of possibilities. but not holding public office is extremely possible for somebody who has the clear that he is running for office. glenn kirschner, i turn to joe last week when i needed to understand how this happens when the justice department gets a referral, or this particular case, the partial prosecutor jack smith, maybe get this referral. how much of this information that congress has gathered from all of this testimony can that use? it is simply a road map to tell them, check out these people because we ve got good information? or can they act or take any of the testimony or evidence that is presented at the january six committee? oh, ali i think they will gladly receive that all. but that will only serve as a starting point because if somebody gives you a transcript
journalists organizations have to understand, they have to protect their people in this moment! what ben collins did is not only legitimate journalism, it s a centralized journalism. i stand with ben collins at every other journalist who is trying to do their job in the face of this unrelenting assault. not just on the first amendment, but on a relenting assault on democracy! this is our one chance we have to get it right! as you know, ben you and i appeared together having these conversations about and is the one better on these on these topics that ben. and the thing is, what he did was completely standard inside inside twitter. roger, thank you for the work that you do. and of course thanks to our colleague ben collins of the reporting that he s been doing on this as well. coming, up today russia launched a another barrage of missiles against cities across ukraine and its latest column, new york times column nicholas kristoff makes the case that ukraine is aware americ