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to re-engage the world and say that we want to work with you as partners with mutual interests and mutual respect. >> and he went on. unfortunately, we didn't cut it. to talk about how this is in large part thanks to the fact we have ended the two ground wars and he has pursued a policy against terrorism. we'll get that cued up for you. but while the polls suggest that america may again be popular, critics suggest that america needs to be more engaged. in reports out of iraq we learned that the islamic state terror army captured or destroyed more than 2,000 u.s. armored vehicles in one battle. from syria the bbc detailed how the terrorists' just released cell phone video appearing to show jihadists torturing a 14-year-old boy. as the militants reinforced their control of at least half of that country. they've got half of it now. in yemen, which was relatively recently touted as a success story in the president's mideast policy there was a glimmer of good news as an american hostage has been freed. but excuse me foreign news services are reporting that there are still u.s. citizens trapped there at risk of kidnapping or murder. on the other side of the world the navy on friday released pictures of the chinese appearing to put artillery guns on uninhabited island in the south china sea where they can threaten vital shipping lanes. so far the chinese are ignoring u.s. calls to stop. and to bring us full circle the head of nato last week warned about a "dramatic expansion of nuclear bomber flights from russia," a move he called deeply troubling and dangerous. our fox news digital politics editor. fox news contributor and veteran of the iraq and afghanistan wars. and ceo of concerned veterans for america. guys thank you very much for being here. pete, let me start with you. unfortunately we didn't cut the sound bite long enough because he went on in that sound bite to say "once again the united states is the most respected country on earth and part of that is because i think of the work we did to re-engage the world and say we want to work with you as partners with mutual interests and respect. it's on that basis we were able to end two wars while still focusing on the very real threat of terrorism and to work withn places like iraq and afghanistan." this just happened a week ago. it just happened. and he does it again. even despite universal just shock in response to his comments that seemed to say let's celebrate those two ground wars are done it's great, we're just focused now on that one little remaining battle of terror. >> it boggles the mind. he lives in a bubble world of delusion and arrogance that none of us can relate to at this point. he says that he ended two ground wars and is now just focused on terrorism. not only did he not end two ground wars but he created a war in libya induced a war in lebanon, invited a war in the ukraine through weakness, exacerbated the war in syria through not having a strong policy on red lines and what we were going to do there. he has invited a pandora's box of chaos by living in a delusional world that by retreating from battlefields you improve situations. and that's why to watch what he said about iraq especially as a veteran myself that was a place they touted as a victory in 2009 2010. today descended into chaos. yet he just steps back and says we're much more respected. find me an ally right now that respects us more from the uk to israel to the ukraine to anybody else across the country. there's only two countries that respect us more today, megyn, than they did in 2009, and that's iran and cuba because they're benefiting from our policies right now. >> i don't know. maybe they like us more. but he may be right on the polls, pete because we looked. the gallup poll apparently gallup polls a bunch of countries every year to find out who believes in leadership like who has the best leadership which country has the best leadership. and back in 2007 and 2008 the united states was at 38%, 34%. china in 2008 was above us at 40%. and now today china's fallen to 29%. and the united states is finally above them at 45%. so the president may be right. we're beating china. >> well there's a low bar. it bumped up. it's also bumped down. there's also a bbc poll that shows an entirely different trend. and there also any countries that were added to that poll since 2009 that they're more weighted toward liking the united states of america. hey, i like more countries to love us. i invite that. i want that. but if you're looking without -- if he's got to cling to one talking point and one poll to claim that the world is better and our friends like us more when in reality where the boots hit the ground our interests are being washed away and our gains are being given away it's hard to argue that our friends would like that. >> why is he so focused on whether we're liked and respected? i mean i realize it's relevant. it's not an irrelevant question. but he seems very focused on that. and is the real question whether we're liked and respected or is it whether we are safe? >> well that's the biggest question. he goes with liked. he talks a lot about mutual understanding and he doesn't talk as much about respected. respect is very different. respect is earned. respect is earned through allegiance and standing by allies in difficult moments, by making sure your word means something, by finishing things you started. so for him it's about being liked. it's about unclenching our fist and just shaking hands with anybody for the sake of shaking hands. as opposed to having a strong stance when it's difficult sometimes and doubling down where you need to. our previous president at least understood that. i think world leaders respected that about him. maybe they didn't like him all the time or love every move that he made. but there was a veneer of respect that unfortunately right now with this commander in chief we just don't have. >> pete, good to see you. >> thank you. >> joining us with more chris dyer waltz. so we're beating china. >> that's right. >> i mean that's good. >> moving up. we're -- pete mentioned the bbc. polling the world is impossible. and there are a lot of people who try a lot of different ways because you have to do on the street interviews face to face. it's a disaster. but you can get some snapshots. and we can say that in that bbc metric the united states did surpass china and move into a hot eighth slot as the eighth most popular country in the world. but of course as pete pointed out, you pointed out, that doesn't have beans to do with whether or not you're actually respected. being liked -- >> it's like the miss congeniality award. you didn't really place in the top 10. top 10 yes. top 5. you're still well liked. which he seems to accept as a victory. >> the european union is very well liked. i highly doubt anybody thinks that they draw much water when it comes to shaping world affairs. >> but here's the more important question. i was trying to get to this. oh we have the sound bite now. unfortunately, it's 9:07, and the show starts at 9:00. but my team does a great job anyway. tonight they cut the sound bite a little wrong. here it is in all its glory. >> it's on that basis that we're able to end two wars while still focusing on the very real threat of terrorism. >> there we go. end two wars. end two wars. end two wars. he says it over and over again as if it will make it real. but it isn't real. we are still involved in a war. >> in afghanistan we've got almost 10,000 troops still in afghanistan. some of them sadly getting killed by the people that are supposed to be their allies sometimes. we have more troops in iraq and we will have more and more and more troops in iraq and syria as time goes by. you can feel it. you can sense that that's what's going to happen. >> but this is a real world philosophy because i think president obama and some on the left would really like to accept that because we pulled the troops out of iraq that thing is done we're out, it's over whatever happens there now is somebody else's problem, and we can, you know, take our kids to soccer practice without having to think about it, which that would be nice to wrap that warm cozy blanket around us. but the experts say it's false. >> well first of all, it's better if it's baseball practice. but the reality is for the president it's great that the world likes us. it's more important that the world respects us for goodness sake. but we don't care. in the business of politics we don't particularly care what the rest of the world thinks. we care about national security. how safe and how secure do americans feel? and we're pretty good at polling public attitudes in the united states and do you know what voters in america agree? they feel less safe. they feel like their position is more in peril. for the president to use a legalistic definition to say because he ordered combat -- major combat operations to be over that we're not at war, that this is supposed to encourage us at t-ball practice is not going to cut it and the polls continue to tell us that americans feel very unsafe in some cases unsafe as they were in the shadow of 9/11. >> mm-hmm. it's like what is it about the beheading, including of several americans, that we don't find war-like? is it war-ish? you know war ry? i don't know. but it feels like real war. chris, good to see. you. >> you bet. >> second amendment supporters say the department of justice is now trying to use new rules, though they were quietly released right before memorial day weekend, to get the gun control the president couldn't get passed. remember at the time the democratically controlled sthatd?sthatd senate? dana loesch is here to explain. and in baltimore the day freddie gray was arrested -- since the day freddie gray was arrested 51 people have been killed in baltimore. 51. 47 of them have been black. not one has died at the hands of a police officer. we'll take a look at that. plus the reverend al sharpton could be in hot water again for preaching a political agenda and how from the pulpit at the request of that tax-exempt organization the naacp. judge andrew napolitano is here after this break. >> don't come up in here and think they're going to have four or five days of convention. we're going to have another convention outside. 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[ cheers and applause ] >> well that was reverend al sharpton speaking friday at a church in cleveland, the site of the 2016 republican national convention. the cable news host using a house of worship to simultaneously attack police criticize republicans, advocate for the democrats, organize street protests and promote his msnbc broadcast all in one. all at the request of a tax-exempt group, the naacp. i spoke about this with fox news senior judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano moments ago. >> the naacp invites him. he speaks in a church. he does basically everything you can do to undermine the republicans who will be going there including announcing his little rally he's going to have against them. and i can't -- how many ethical problems has he created? >> well he's created some ethical problems and even some legal problems. the naacp is tax-exempt. the government gives it the ability to exempt its donors from paying taxes on the donations they make to it. the same is presumably the case i don't know this to be so but the same is presumably the case with the church in cleveland where he was standing in the clip you just ran, and from the pulpit in which he was speaking. so the question is how far can he go to violate the irs regulations? because the naacp and the church voluntarily waived their first amendment privileges to advocate for legislation or for and against candidates in return for that tax-exempt status. that's where he gets -- not him but they would get in trouble. >> exactly. so the rules say you cannot if you maintain your tax-exempt status if you're the naacp you cannot directly or indirectly participate in the opposition of any candidate for office. now, you tell me whether he sounds like he is opposing a candidate for office. here's another sound bite. >> i'm talking about jeb bush and scott walker and the rest of them running that's going to come up in here and think they're going to have four or five days of convention. we're going to have another convention outside. [ cheers and applause ] >> now, that's where he -- that's where he's wearing his msnbc hat and not his i'm standing at a tax-exempt pulpit speaking to an organization that sent its folks here using tax-exempt funds hat. because he really made a mistake by mentioning names. i think the irs would leave him alone, would leave the naacp alone -- again, i don't mean to say him. he can say what he wants. leave the naacp alone and the church alone if he sort of pushed in their direction, we want a government that's more responsible -- >> which the naacp has been doing for years now. they were investigated by the bush administration back in 2004 for similar behavior. >> and exonerated. >> not exonerated but they were not prosecuted. they didn't lose their status. >> when he mentions names, he should have consulted lawyers first because that's what would cause the irs, if we had a neutral irs interested in enforcing the law -- >> that's where i wanted to go. this is irs who investigated all of these groups these tea party-linked groups these republican groups because it smelled a rat. it said we think you're getting too political just based on your name based on the fact you stand for freedom. and this guy can get up there and the naacp can sponsor p it and the odds of there being any investigation into that are zippo. >> and he knows that. he understands that. the obama irs is not going to investigate the naacp or that church in cleveland. so he will make the most of that situation to draw attention to himself and his legitimately held beliefs in an effort to gin up those beliefs in the face of the republican national convention which is what he's talking about. >> so at least the four viewers of msnbc will know exactly what they're getting when al sharpton is out there on election night. fair and impartial. >> how many viewers did you say? >> i have four. i may have overstated it by one or two. just kidding. they have a few more. >> he's a character and he's fun to watch but when he starts mentioning names, political names that he wants these groups to oppose -- >> i don't know. >> -- he's really pushing -- >> i think you're going to get a lot of pushback on he's a fun character to watch because i think he's done real damage. with the stuff he was saying about the police and he went on to hit the police again here. about how officer wilson was in no fear for his life a fact that was not true and the d.o.j. disproved him on. he's really caused some havoc. >> in that case he's making up facts, and sometimes he does that. >> good to see you. >> good to be with you. more than a dozen new gun regulations are on their way to becoming law, basically. as the d.o.j. unveils its plan to tackle gun control without the burden of having to really answer to you. dana loesch is next on exactly what they are doing. they're doing it. plus lots of reaction to the news of our upcoming interview with the duggar family. howie kurtz is here on how the media has handled the recent coverage of one of america's most famous families. nobody told us to expect it... intercourse that's painful due to menopausal changes it's not likely to go away on its own. so let's do something about it. premarin vaginal cream can help it provides estrogens to help rebuild vaginal tissue and make intercourse more comfortable. premarin vaginal cream treats vaginal changes due to menopause and moderate-to-severe painful intercourse caused by these changes. don't use it if you've had unusual bleeding breast or uterine cancer blood clots, liver problems, stroke or heart attack, are allergic to any of its ingredients or think you're pregnant. side effects may include headache pelvic pain, breast pain vaginal bleeding and vaginitis. estrogens may increase your chances of getting cancer of the uterus, strokes, blood clots or dementia so use it for the shortest time based on goals and risks. estrogen should not be used to prevent heart disease heart attack, stroke or dementia. ask your doctor about premarin vaginal cream. ♪ ♪ one day a rider made a decision. the decision to ride on and save money. he decided to save money by switching his motorcycle insurance to geico. there's no shame in saving money. ride on, ride proud. geico motorcycle great rates for great rides. have a sunset mode. and an early morning mode. and a partly sunny mode. and an outside... to clear inside mode. transitions® signature® adaptive lenses ...are more responsive than ever. so why settle for a lens with just one mode? 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what are the new regulations going to do? >> that's what's interesting. because they're always incredibly vague about this as they always are whenever they announce this. two things we do know the first of which is that the department of justice would like to see the atf modify at least one of the rules that it has and make it to where if someone is convicted of misdemeanor domestic assault that they are no longer able to go out and purchase a firearm. which they're not as it is already. and this is something that the supreme court recently upheld just last year. and with that -- >> the supreme court -- didn't the supreme court limit it to you have to be convicted of something, like a physical assault for domestic violence? >> right. it has to be a violent physical assault. right. there has to be bodily harm. because this kind of differs state by state, and what they're trying to do megyn, is they want it to be this blanket term instead of doing it as a case-by-case basis as it has always been done. and there are people saying well wow, one instance that isn't really malicious, one instance could actually invalidate someone's second amendment natural rights forever, that's a really serious thing. and the second thing, megyn, that they're looking to do is in my opinion they're looking to make it a little bit easier to adjudicate someone as being mentally unfit. now, we saw a problem with this just recently with new york state in which you had last year 34,000 people were found to be mentally unfit to actually go out and legally possess a firearm. and these people had all they had done megyn, is just go and seek out mental health -- psychologists, go talk to a psychologist recently mental health. and there are a lot of mental health experts out there that are saying look there's a huge difference between someone who is a dangerous threat and someone who is an assumed threat just because someone goes and maybe speaks with a psychologist maybe it's a mother who had a child and is going through baby blues. >> this couldn't get through the congress. >> right. >> so this is going to happen. unless something extraordinary happens, the rules being proposed it will be finalized in the fall but this is going to happen unless -- because it seems a little odd that -- i mean i've heard it before. you couldn't get it through the congress. which is kind of how the process is supposed to work. and therefore it's gone another way. i'm doing it. >> and there was a reason why it was difficult for it to get through, because it wasn't supported not just by the majority of american voters but it wasn't supported by the majority of congress. you had harry reid when he was still the senate majority leader stripping out controversial portions and portions he thought were unfit, for instance, from dianne feinstein's quote unquote assault weapons ban bill. but not only that but this is something that there's never anything concrete never anything completely specific but this is a feature of this system. it's not supposed to be super easy to shove through huge sweeping changing pieces of legislation that have -- >> it's a way of creating entirely new laws. the last time i checked it was supposed to be the congress's function. and then the president signs it. that's how the bill becomes a law. as school ofhouse rock helps me recall. this is a very controversial issue. >> it is. and something huge to point out, megyn, if you look at the recent mass shootings, if you look at james lee, who's the guy who went into the discovery channel headquarters if you look at james holmes io -- >> don't sigh any more of their names. >> i know. these are instances where you have individuals who clearly could have easily been adjudicated mentally but the process wasn't followed. with the arizona killer the guy who shot at gaby giffords this is a guy who had been banned from his college campus. his college -- >> we need to shore up the mental health system. that's absolutely -- >> exactly. >> and very much remains to be done. >> and people need to follow that process. thank you, megyn. >> great to see you as always. from baltimore tonight come some troubling new numbers and one big question. since the day freddie gray was arrested 51 people have been killed in baltimore. 47 of those people have been black. not one died at the hands of the police officers. who's protesting that? 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because you look across the board, and they're up. they're up considerably. milwaukee's crime versus the same period last year murders, not just crime, up 117%. denver up 90%. new york city is up 15%. los angeles, homicides down by 10%. shootings up 23%. so the doctors are getting better but the criminals are too. >> megyn, it is the government's job to keep the people honest to make sure they're abiding by the law and doing the right thing. it is also the people's job to keep their government honest whether it's the president or a congressperson or the police officer that's working on their street. to somehow imply that it is the fault of the residents and the citizens of these places to use their american right to speak up and speak out when they think there's a problem that criminals decide to go and do crazy things i think is wrong. we have to speak out and speak out. but they should also speak up and speak out about issues that affect education, about issues that affect jobs in their communities and about violence in their communities. they should stand up against those things as well. >> what really happened here mark was we saw ferguson. you know there was a major investigation into that cop who wound up being exonerated. and then on the heels of that came baltimore. and certainly in baltimore you can't deny the fact that the homicides are up at record numbers and the arrests have been cut in half. >> well, megyn, when you look at ferguson if we just -- >> go ahead, mark. >> if we take ferguson and we just focus on ferguson what we saw is a rush to make the facts as the mob chose to make it instead of waiting for the investigation to be done by an outside agency. and the officer was exonerated. and clearly michael brown was clearly always the aggressor and the suspect and the officer was clearly always the victim. but it started a ball rolling across the country and now that is why the focus is on white officers against a black suspect. and the black on black murders can go on unchecked and nobody knows their names. there's no demonstration. nobody cares. but there's something else that is really clear that people don't understand. the people that live in these communities are actually condoning it because they don't pick up the phone with the anonymous phone call who's got the gun who's driving the car, who pulled the trigger, who's selling the dope or anything else. so they're part of the problem. they're not part of the solution. and all the demonstrations in the world won't solve that or save one life. >> what about that andell? because the critics have said this is what people wanted a less aggressive police force. and they say careful what you wish for. >> what people want is a police force that does their job like the majority of police officers do with integrity, honesty, and compassion. the few officers that decide to conduct themselves in a criminal manner should be held accountable, just like anyone else who breaks the law. just like if the president doesn't do what he's supposed to do. many here would be asking for them to be held accountable. so asking for those members or those whoen gauge in a wrong activity to be held accountable doesn't mean that we don't want them to do their job. >> this is not the last -- >> quickly, mark. i've got to go. >> megyn, i can't disagree but the problem is this. the officers aren't wrong by aggressively getting out and actually shaking people down and getting guns off the street. but they are afraid that if they do that they'll not only have a mob but their own department will throw them to the wolves. >> we've heard that directly from the police commissioner. guys thank you both. for the last couple weeks one of america's most famous families has been in the media spotlight. after one son's confession rocked the duggar clan. howie kurtz is next on the media, the duggars, and "the kelly file." >> in today's world it's probably a little odd having daughters and granddaughters the same a caring for someone with alzheimer's means i am a lot of things. i am her best friend. i am her ally. so i asked about adding once-daily namenda xr to her current treatment for moderate to severe alzheimer's. it works differently. when added to another alzheimer's treatment, it may improve overall function and cognition. and may slow the worsening of symptoms for a while. vo: namenda xr doesn't change how the disease progresses. it shouldn't be taken by anyone allergic to memantine, or who's had a bad reaction to namenda xr or its ingredients. before starting treatment, tell their doctor if they have or ever had, a seizure disorder, difficulty passing urine liver, kidney or bladder problems, and about medications they're taking. certain medications, changes in diet, or medical conditions may affect the amount of namenda xr in the body and may increase side effects. the most common side effects are headache, diarrhea and dizziness. all my life, she's been there for me. now i am giving back. ask their doctor about once-daily namenda xr and learn about a free trial offer at namendaxr.com. out of 42 vehicles based on 6 different criteria, why did a panel of 11 automotive experts name the volkswagen golf motor trend's 2015 car of the year? we'll give you four good reasons. the volkswagen golf. starting at $19,295, there's an award-winning golf for everyone. newction tonight to the scandal rocking one of america's most famous families the duggar family. now break its silence in an interview with yours truly. on wednesday our team will travel to the family home in arkansas to discuss what some in the media have dubbed the duggars' dark secret. this after the duggars' oldest son josh admitted that he had "acted inexcusably" 12 years ago, hurting his family and his friends. trace gallagher has more. trace? >> reporter: megyn, in the early years of michelle and gym bobb duggar's marriage they did practice birth control on and off but after a miscarriage the couple decided to forgo contraceptives and allow god to decide how many children they'd have. thus the name "19 kids and counting." before reality television jim bob duggar served in the arkansas house of representatives and later lost a run for the u.s. senate. in 2004 michelle duggar was named arkansas young mother of the year. the couple's primary source of income was from rental properties. their reality show actually began as a series of one-hour specials on tlc documenting them and their 17 children. as the family grew so did their exposure. the specials became a regular show and tlc's biggest hit. watch. >> came down with chicken pox. and we knew that that meant that any of the others that were around her that hadn't had them yet would probably be getting them too. >> now the duggars have 10 boys 9 girls, all with names that begin with j. all home schooled in tawny town arkansas. they're devout independent baptists who focus on faith in god, purity, and modesty, including a strict dress code for girls with no shorts tanktops or skirts above the knee. all dates are chaperoned. and the duggars use the buddy system where an older child is assigned to a younger one to help through primary care. but their family values system took a hit when a report surfaced about the oldest child, 27-year-old josh duggar seen here with his wife. watch. >> you get to see all those little features and it just makes you go wow, there's my little baby right there. it's really awesome. >> police documents reportedly show when josh duggar was 14 and 15 he molested five underaged girls including his sisters. josh duggar issued a statement saying and i'm quoting, "i confessed this to my parents, who took several steps to help me address the situation. we spoke with authorities, where i confessed my wrongdoing, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive council." in the police report the alleged victims' names were redacted. the police report also says that only after josh duggar's second confession did jim bob duggar his dad, notify elders at the church who recommended josh duggar get counseling at a christian work camp. the father also notified a state trooper but the trooper didn't report it to higher-ups. when the police were eventually tipped off and conducted an investigation, the three-year statute of limitations had expired. since the controversy, 20 of the show's sponsors have pulled out and tlc has pulled the show from its schedule. now the duggars are speaking out to megyn kelly to "share our hearts with you about the pain that we walked through as a family 12 years ago, the tears we shed the forgiveness that was given." interview clearly is piquing interest but so is the interviewer. watch. >> i think it's smart that they're going to megyn kelly and they're fools if they think that megyn kelly's going to go easy on them. megyn kelly is tough and she's putting journalism ahead of any sort of politics. >> tough, fair and balanced. megyn. >> thanks, trace. joining me now with how the media is handling this story, howie kurtz, fox news's media analyst and the host of "media buzz." thanks for being here. so that's fine. i'll take that reputation as a tough but fair journalist. however, this isn't going to be a cross-examination of a family. it's going to be an interview. i want to hear their story. and i think america wants to hear their story now. and what's been remarkable to me as i admit somebody who doesn't watch this show is to see how many in the media have handled it. from you know jumping to they're the worst, the house of horrors, this is sick sick sick to people like this woman on cnn trying to make this the problem of the republican presidential field. watch. >> some republicans may have what is becoming called a josh duggar problem. what are we talking about? some of the presidential gop candidates and also likely candidates have posed for photos with the christian conservative reality television star. now, let's be clear. this is long before any of the scandal surrounding him emerged this week. >> bill clinton was accused of rape. he has been accused by several women of sexually assaulting them. but the fact that a presidential candidate has posed with some random member of the family that's going through this issue is somehow a problem for the gop-ers? >> it's amazing. that cnn report had plenty of company in dragging in the republican presidential candidates into this. look i've been pretty disgusted by how some liberal media types are using what's obviously a family tragedy to score political points. here's piers morgan. "shameless hip ok are cy from ultra right conservatives who preach beening goody goodies." where is the media outcry overt fact that someone in law enforcement leaked to "in touch weekly" and to the arkansas democrat gazette josh duggar's juvenile police records which are supposed to be sealed and sacrosanct some critics enjoying this scandal so much megyn, they can't even be bothered to mention that. >> they received it through a freedom of information act request but the law did not allow the release, and anybody who's in law enforcement knows you're not allowed to release the sealed records of a juvenile. and in particular where the victims are also juveniles. because what's happened here is josh duggar's private personal sealed records have been improperly released. it doesn't excuse any of his behavior and it's not meant to diminish it either. but the records of the young girls have also been released. and in particular their identity because the police records leave very little doubt about who they are and what family they are a part of. so all of this, you know it's one thing if the duggars want to talk about it and we'll get into that but the media didn't even pause. and there is a question about why they were so excited to feast on this carcass. >> well sometimes people on the right feast on when a liberal icon falls into trouble. so many in the mainstream media i think -- it's a juicy story. it's a newsworthy story. everybody's waiting for your interview. but you know couldn't wait to feast. i think that's the perfect word. now, look there are legitimate questions here for the duggar parents about why they didn't do more to contact the authorities when they first learned of the alleged abuse in 2002 why they signed up the family torefor a reality show with all the scrutiny it brings when they had this dark secret. >> absolutely. i will ask all of that. i will ask them about all of that. nothing is off limits. i don't plan on getting into the specific details about what was done because my understanding is the victims the victims don't want to discuss that either. and if you want to read it you can see it in the police report but you shouldn't be looking at any way. it never should have been released and so there are questions for many in this case. from josh duggar to the parentslvi to the police chief who did something the law clearly said something he shouldn't have done. again, you can watch the sit down with the duggar family this wednesday at 9:00 p.m. eastern time and then we will have a special follow up on friday evening at 9:00 and we'll reveal the details of that on wednesday night. up next a familiar face makes history. up next a familiar face makes history. on the cover of a wheaties box and now the cover of "vanity fair." bruce and now caitlyn jenner, next. ♪ ♪ (vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. 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story in the president's mideast policy there was a glimmer of good news as an american hostage has been freed. but excuse me foreign news services are reporting that there are still u.s. citizens trapped there at risk of kidnapping or murder. on the other side of the world the navy on friday released pictures of the chinese appearing to put artillery guns on uninhabited island in the south china sea where they can threaten vital shipping lanes. so far the chinese are ignoring u.s. calls to stop. and to bring us full circle the head of nato last week warned about a "dramatic expansion of nuclear bomber flights from russia," a move he called deeply troubling and dangerous. our fox news digital politics editor. fox news contributor and veteran of the iraq and afghanistan wars. and ceo of concerned veterans for america. guys thank you very much for being here. pete, let me start with you. unfortunately we didn't cut the sound bite long enough because he went on in that sound bite to say "once again the united states is the most respected country on earth and part of that is because i think of the work we did to re-engage the world and say we want to work with you as partners with mutual interests and respect. it's on that basis we were able to end two wars while still focusing on the very real threat of terrorism and to work with our partners in places like iraq and afghanistan." this just happened a week ago. it just happened. and he does it again. even despite universal just shock in response to his comments that seemed to say let's celebrate those two ground wars are done it's great, we're just focused now on that one little remaining battle of terror. >> it boggles the mind. he lives in a bubble world of delusion and arrogance that none of us can relate to at this point. he says that he ended two ground wars and is now just focused on terrorism. not only did he not end two ground wars but he created a war in libya induced a war in lebanon, invited a war in the ukraine through weakness, exacerbated the war in syria through not having a strong policy on red lines and what we were going to do there. he has invited a pandora's box of chaos by living in a delusional world that by retreating from battlefields you improve situations. and that's why to watch what he said about iraq especially as a veteran myself that was a place they touted as a victory in 2009 2010. today descended into chaos. yet he just steps back and says we're much more respected. find me an ally right now that respects us more from the uk to israel to the ukraine to anybody else across the country. there's only two countries that respect us more today, megyn, than they did in 2009, and that's iran and cuba because they're benefiting from our policies right now. >> i don't know. maybe they like us more. but he may be right on the polls, pete because we looked. the gallup poll apparently gallup polls a bunch of countries every year to find out who believes in leadership like who has the best leadership which country has the best leadership. and back in 2007 and 2008 the united states was at 38%, 34%. china in 2008 was above us at 40%. and now today china's fallen to 29%. and the united states is finally above them at 45%. so the president may be right. we're beating china. >> well there's a low bar. it bumped up. it's also bumped down. there's also a bbc poll that shows an entirely different trend. and there also any countries that were added to that poll since 2009 that they're more weighted toward liking the united states of america. hey, i like more countries to love us. i invite that. i want that. but if you're looking without -- if he's got to cling to one talking point and one poll to claim that the world is better and our friends like us more when in reality where the boots hit the ground our interests are being washed away and our gains are being given away it's hard to argue that our friends would like that. >> why is he so focused on whether we're liked and respected? i mean i realize it's relevant. it's not an irrelevant question. but he seems very focused on that. and is the real question whether we're liked and respected or is it whether we are safe? >> well that's the biggest question. he goes with liked. he talks a lot about mutual understanding and he doesn't talk as much about respected. respect is very different. respect is earned. respect is earned through allegiance and standing by allies in difficult moments, by making sure your word means something, by finishing things you started. so for him it's about being liked. it's about unclenching our fist and just shaking hands with anybody for the sake of shaking hands. as opposed to having a strong stance when it's difficult sometimes and doubling down where you need to. our previous president at least understood that. i think world leaders respected that about him. maybe they didn't like him all the time or love every move that he made. but there was a veneer of respect that unfortunately right now with this commander in chief we just don't have. >> pete, good to see you. >> thank you. >> joining us with more chris dyer waltz. so we're beating china. >> that's right. >> i mean that's good. >> moving we're -- pete mentioned the bbc. polling the world is impossible. and there are a lot of people who try a lot of different ways because you have to do on the street interviews face to face. it's a disaster. but you can get some snapshots. and we can say that in that bbc metric the united states did surpass china and move into a hot eighth slot as the eighth most popular country in the world. but of course as pete pointed out, you pointed out, that doesn't have beans to do with whether or not you're actually respected. being liked -- >> it's like the miss congeniality award. you didn't really place in the top 10. top 10 yes. top 5. you're still well liked. which he seems to accept as a victory. >> the european union is very well liked. i highly doubt anybody thinks that they draw much water when it comes to shaping world affairs. >> but here's the more important question. i was trying to get to this. oh we have the sound bite now. unfortunately, it's 9:07, and the show starts at 9:00. but my team does a great job anyway. tonight they cut the sound bite a little wrong. here it is in all its glory. >> it's on that basis that we're able to end two wars while still focusing on the very real threat of terrorism. >> there we go. end two wars. end two wars. end two wars. he says it over and over again as if it will make it real. but it isn't real. we are still involved in a war. >> in afghanistan we've got almost 10,000 troops still in afghanistan. some of them sadly getting killed by the people that are supposed to be their allies sometimes. we have more troops in iraq and we will have more and more and more troops in iraq and syria as time goes by. you can feel it. you can sense that that's what's going to happen. >> but this is a real world philosophy because i think president obama and some on the left would really like to accept that because we pulled the troops out of iraq that thing is done we're out, it's over whatever happens there now is somebody else's problem, and we can, you know, take our kids to soccer practice without having to think about it, which that would be nice to wrap that warm cozy blanket around us. but the experts say it's false. >> well first of all, it's better if it's baseball practice. but the reality is for the president it's great that the world likes us. it's more important that the world respects us for goodness sake. but we don't care. in the business of politics we don't particularly care what the rest of the world thinks. we care about national security. how safe and how secure do americans feel? and we're pretty good at polling public attitudes in the united states and do you know what voters in america agree? they feel less safe. they feel like their position is more in peril. for the president to use a legalistic definition to say because he ordered combat -- major combat operations to be over that we're not at war, that this is supposed to encourage us at t-ball practice is not going to cut it and the polls continue to tell us that americans feel very unsafe in some cases unsafe as they were in the shadow of 9/11. >> mm-hmm. it's like what is it about the beheading, including of several americans, that we don't find war-like? is it war-ish? you know war ry? i don't know. but it feels like real war. chris, good to see. you. >> you bet. >> second amendment supporters say the department of justice is now trying to use new rules, though they were quietly released right before memorial day weekend, to get the gun control the president couldn't get passed. remember at the time the democratically controlled sthatd?sthatd senate? dana loesch is here to explain. and in baltimore the day freddie gray was arrested -- since the day freddie gray was arrested 51 people have been killed in baltimore. 51. 47 of them have been black. not one has died at the hands of a police officer. we'll take a look at that. plus the reverend al sharpton could be in hot water again for preaching a political agenda and how from the pulpit at the request of that tax-exempt organization the naacp. judge andrew napolitano is here after this break. >> don't come up in here and think they're going to have four or five days of convention. we're going to have another convention outside. 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[ cheers and applause ] >> well that was reverend al sharpton speaking friday at a church in cleveland, the site of the 2016 republican national convention. the cable news host using a house of worship to simultaneously attack police criticize republicans, advocate for the democrats, organize street protests and promote his msnbc broadcast all in one. all at the request of a tax-exempt group, the naacp. i spoke about this with fox news senior judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano moments ago. >> the naacp invites him. he speaks in a church. he does basically everything you can do to undermine the republicans who will be going there including announcing his little rally he's going to have against them. and i can't -- how many ethical problems has he created? >> well he's created some ethical problems and even some legal problems. the naacp is tax-exempt. the government gives it the ability to exempt its donors from paying taxes on the donations they make to it. the same is presumably the case i don't know this to be so but the same is presumably the case with the church in cleveland where he was standing in the clip you just ran, and from the pulpit in which he was speaking. so the question is how far can he go to violate the irs regulations? because the naacp and the church voluntarily waived their first amendment privileges to advocate for legislation or for and against candidates in return for that tax-exempt status. that's where he gets -- not him but they would get in trouble. >> exactly. so the rules say you cannot if you maintain your tax-exempt status if you're the naacp you cannot directly or indirectly participate in the opposition of any candidate for office. now, you tell me whether he sounds like he is opposing a candidate for office. here's another sound bite. >> i'm talking about jeb bush and scott walker and the rest of them running that's going to come up in here and think they're going to have four or five days of convention. we're going to have another convention outside. [ cheers and applause ] >> now, that's where he -- that's where he's wearing his msnbc hat and not his i'm standing at a tax-exempt pulpit speaking to an organization that sent its folks here using tax-exempt funds hat. because he really made a mistake by mentioning names. i think the irs would leave him alone, would leave the naacp alone -- again, i don't mean to say him. he can say what he wants. leave the naacp alone and the church alone if he sort of pushed in their direction, we want a government that's more responsible -- >> which the naacp has been doing for years now. they were investigated by the bush administration back in 2004 for similar behavior. >> and exonerated. >> not exonerated but they were not prosecuted. they didn't lose their status. >> when he mentions names, he should have consulted lawyers first because that's what would cause the irs, if we had a neutral irs interested in enforcing the law -- >> that's where i wanted to go. this is the same irs who investigated all of these groups these tea party-linked groups these republican groups because it smelled a rat. it said we think you're getting too political just based on your name based on the fact you stand for freedom. and this guy can get up there and the naacp can sponsor p it and the odds of there being any investigation into that are zippo. >> and he knows that. he understands that. the obama irs is not going to investigate the naacp or that church in cleveland. so he will make the most of that situation to draw attention to himself and his legitimately held beliefs in an effort to gin up those beliefs in the face of the republican national convention which is what he's talking about. >> so at least the four viewers of msnbc will know exactly what they're getting when al sharpton is out there on election night. fair and impartial. >> how many viewers did you say? >> i have four. i may have overstated it by one or two. just kidding. they have a few more. >> he's a character and he's fun to watch but when he starts mentioning names, political names that he wants these groups to oppose -- >> i don't know. >> -- he's really pushing -- >> i think you're going to get a lot of pushback on he's a fun character to watch because i think he's done real damage. with the stuff he was saying about the police and he went on to hit the police again here. about how officer wilson was in no fear for his life a fact that was not true and the d.o.j. disproved him on. he's really caused some havoc. >> in that case he's making up facts, and sometimes he does that. >> good to see you. >> good to be with you. more than a dozen new gun regulations are on their way to becoming law, basically. as the d.o.j. unveils its plan to tackle gun control without the burden of having to really answer to you. dana loesch is next on exactly what they are doing. they're doing it. plus lots of reaction to the news of our upcoming interview with the duggar family. howie kurtz is here on how the media has handled the recent coverage of one of america's most famous families. >> each one of them also. er's means i am a lot of things. i am her best friend. i am her ally. so i asked about adding once-daily namenda xr to her current treatment for moderate to severe alzheimer's. it works differently. when added to another alzheimer's treatment, it may improve overall function and cognition. and may slow the worsening of symptoms for a while. vo: namenda xr doesn't change how the disease progresses. it shouldn't be taken by anyone allergic to memantine, or who's had a bad reaction to namenda xr or its ingredients. before starting treatment, tell their doctor if they have or ever had, a seizure disorder, difficulty passing urine liver, kidney or bladder problems, and about medications they're taking. certain medications, changes in diet, or medical conditions may affect the amount of namenda xr in the body and may increase side effects. the most common side effects are headache, diarrhea and dizziness. all my life, she's been there for me. now i am giving back. ask their doctor about once-daily namenda xr and learn about a free trial offer at namendaxr.com. you do all this research on the perfect car. gas mileage , horse power... torque ratios. three spreadsheets later you finally bring home the one. then smash it into a tree. your insurance company's all too happy to raise your rates. maybe you should've done a little more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. i like my seafood like i like my vacations: tropical. and during red lobster's island escape, three new tropical dishes take me straight to the islands. so i'm diving fork-first into the lobster and shrimp in paradise, with panko-crusted lobster tail and jumbo shrimp in captain morgan barbecue glaze. or the ultimate island seafood feast, with tender crab wood-grilled lobster and two island-inspired flavors of jumbo shrimp. because a summer without tropical flavors might as well be winter. this escape is too good to miss so...don't. hey pal? 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what are the new regulations going to do? >> that's what's interesting. because they're always incredibly vague about this as they always are whenever they announce this. two things we do know the first of which is that the department of justice would like to see the atf modify at least one of the rules that it has and make it to where if someone is convicted of misdemeanor domestic assault that they are no longer able to go out and purchase a firearm. which they're not as it is already. and this is something that the supreme court recently upheld just last year. and with that -- >> the supreme court -- didn't the supreme court limit it to you have to be convicted of something, like a physical assault for domestic violence? >> right. it has to be a violent physical assault. right. there has to be bodily harm. because this kind of differs state by state, and what they're trying to do megyn, is they want it to be this blanket term instead of doing it as a case-by-case basis as it has always been done. and there are people saying well wow, one instance that isn't really malicious, one instance could actually invalidate someone's second amendment natural rights forever, that's a really serious thing. and the second thing, megyn, that they're looking to do is in my opinion they're looking to make it a little bit easier to adjudicate someone as being mentally unfit. now, we saw a problem with this just recently with new york state in which you had last year 34,000 people were found to be mentally unfit to actually go out and legally possess a firearm. and these people had all they had done megyn, is just go and seek out mental health -- psychologists, go talk to a psychologist recently mental health. and there are a lot of mental health experts out there that are saying look there's a huge difference between someone who is a dangerous threat and someone who is an assumed threat just because someone goes and maybe speaks with a psychologist maybe it's a mother who had a child and is going through baby blues. >> this couldn't get through the congress. >> right. >> so this is going to happen. unless something extraordinary happens, the rules being proposed it will be finalized in the fall but this is going to happen unless -- because it seems a little odd that -- i mean i've heard it before. you couldn't get it through the congress. which is kind of how the process is supposed to work. and therefore it's gone another way. i'm doing it. >> and there was a reason why it was difficult for it to get through, because it wasn't supported not just by the majority of american voters but it wasn't supported by the majority of congress. you had harry reid when he was still the senate majority leader stripping out controversial portions and portions he thought were unfit, for instance, from dianne feinstein's quote unquote assault weapons ban bill. but not only that but this is something that there's never anything concrete never anything completely specific but this is a feature of this system. it's not supposed to be super easy to shove through huge sweeping changing pieces of legislation that have -- >> it's a way of creating entirely new laws. the last time i checked it was supposed to be the congress's function. and then the president signs it. that's how the bill becomes a law. as school ofhouse rock helps me recall. this is a very controversial issue. >> it is. and something huge to point out, megyn, if you look at the recent mass shootings, if you look at james lee, who's the guy who went into the discovery channel headquarters if you look at james holmes in colorado -- >> don't sigh any more of their names. >> i know. these are instances where you have individuals who clearly could have easily been adjudicated mentally but the process wasn't followed. with the arizona killer the guy who shot at gaby giffords this is a guy who had been banned from his college campus. his college -- >> we need to shore up the mental health system. that's absolutely -- >> exactly. >> and very much remains to be done. >> and people need to follow that process. thank you, megyn. >> great to see you as always. from baltimore tonight come some troubling new numbers and one big question. since the day freddie gray was arrested 51 people have been killed in baltimore. 47 of those people have been black. not one died at the hands of the police officers. who's protesting that? 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because you look across the board, and they're up. they're up considerably. milwaukee's crime versus the same period last year murders, not just crime, up 117%. denver up 90%. new york city is up 15%. los angeles, homicides down by 10%. shootings up 23%. so the doctors are getting better but the criminals are too. >> megyn, it is the government's job to keep the people honest to make sure they're abiding by the law and doing the right thing. it is also the people's job to keep their government honest whether it's the president or a congressperson or the police officer that's working on their street. to somehow imply that it is the fault of the residents and the citizens of these places to use their american right to speak up and speak out when they think there's a problem that criminals decide to go and do crazy things i think is wrong. we have to speak out and speak out. but they should also speak up and speak out about issues that affect education, about issues that affect jobs in their communities and about violence in their communities. they should stand up against those things as well. >> what really happened here mark was we saw ferguson. you know there was a major investigation into that cop who wound up being exonerated. and then on the heels of that came baltimore. and certainly in baltimore you can't deny the fact that the homicides are up at record numbers and the arrests have been cut in half. >> well, megyn, when you look at ferguson if we just -- >> go ahead, mark. >> if we take ferguson and we just focus on ferguson what we saw is a rush to make the facts as the mob chose to make it instead of waiting for the investigation to be done by an outside agency. and the officer was exonerated. and clearly michael brown was clearly always the aggressor and the suspect and the officer was clearly always the victim. but it started a ball rolling across the country and now that is why the focus is on white officers against a black suspect. and the black on black murders can go on unchecked and nobody knows their names. there's no demonstration. nobody cares. but there's something else that is really clear that people don't understand. the people that live in these communities are actually condoning it because they don't pick up the phone with the anonymous phone call who's got the gun who's driving the car, who pulled the trigger, who's selling the dope or anything else. so they're part of the problem. they're not part of the solution. and all the demonstrations in the world won't solve that or save one life. >> what about that andell? because the critics have said this is what people wanted a less aggressive police force. and they say careful what you wish for. >> what people want is a police force that does their job like the majority of police officers do with integrity, honesty, and compassion. the few officers that decide to conduct themselves in a criminal manner should be held accountable, just like anyone else who breaks the law. just like if the president doesn't do what he's supposed to do. many here would be asking for them to be held accountable. so asking for those members or those whoen gauge in a wrong activity to be held accountable doesn't mean that we don't want them to do their job. >> this is not the last -- >> quickly, mark. i've got to go. >> megyn, i can't disagree but the problem is this. the officers aren't wrong by aggressively getting out and actually shaking people down and getting guns off the street. but they are afraid that if they do that they'll not only have a mob but their own department will throw them to the wolves. >> we've heard that directly from the police commissioner. guys thank you both. for the last couple weeks one of america's most famous families has been in the media spotlight. after one son's confession rocked the duggar clan. howie kurtz is next on the media, the duggars, and "the kelly file." >> in today's world it's probably a little odd having daughters and granddaughters the same age for a period of time but in our family it's pretty normal. or a mouth breather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than allergy medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. you wouldn't take medicine without checking the side effects. hey honey. huh. the good news is my hypertension is gone. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? 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some of the presidential gop candidates and also likely candidates have posed for photos with the christian conservative reality television star. now, let's be clear. this is long before any of the scandal surrounding him emerged this week. >> bill clinton was accused of rape. he has been accused by several women of sexually assaulting them. but the fact that a presidential candidate has posed with some random member of the family that's going through this issue is somehow a problem for the gop-ers? >> it's amazing. that cnn report had plenty of company in dragging in the republican presidential candidates into this. look i've been pretty disgusted by how some liberal media types are using what's obviously a family tragedy to score political points. here's piers morgan. "shameless hip ok are cy from ultra right conservatives who preach beening goody goodies." where is the media outcry overt fact that someone in law enforcement leaked to "in touch weekly" and to the arkansas democrat gazette josh duggar's juvenile police records which are supposed to be sealed and sacrosanct some critics enjoying this scandal so much megyn, they can't even be bothered to mention that. >> they received it through a freedom of information act request but the law did not allow the release, and anybody who's in law enforcement knows you're not allowed to release the sealed records of a juvenile. and in particular where the victims are also juveniles. because what's happened here is josh duggar's private personal sealed records have been improperly released. it doesn't excuse any of his behavior and it's not meant to diminish it either. but the records of the young girls have also been released. and in particular their identity because the police records leave very little doubt about who they are and what family they are a part of. so all of this, you know it's one thing if the duggars want to talk about it and we'll get into that but the media didn't even pause. and there is a question about why they were so excited to feast on this carcass. >> well sometimes people on the right feast on when a liberal icon falls into trouble. so many in the mainstream media i think -- it's a juicy story. it's a newsworthy story. everybody's waiting for your interview. but you know couldn't wait to feast. i think that's the perfect word. now, look there are legitimate questions here for the duggar parents about why they didn't do more to contact the authorities when they first learned of the alleged abuse in 2002 why they signed up the family torefor a reality show with all the scrutiny it brings when they had this dark secret. >> absolutely. i will ask all of that. i will ask them about all of that. nothing is off limits. i don't plan on getting into the specific details about what was done because my understanding is the victims the victims don't want to discuss that either. and if you want to read it you can see it in the police report but you shouldn't be looking at any way. it never should have been released and so there are questions for many in this case. from josh duggar to the parentslvi to the police chief who did something the law clearly said something he shouldn't have done. again, you can watch the sit down with the duggar family this wednesday at 9:00 p.m. eastern time and then we will have a special follow up on friday evening at 9:00 and we'll reveal the details of that on wednesday night. up next a familiar face makes history. first by being the cover of a wheaties box and today, gracing the cover of "vanity fair." bruce and now, caitlyn jenner. next. nol but it was 6 pills a day. with aleve it's just 2 pills, all day. now i'm back! aleve. all day strong. my name is julia grinberg. i work in energy efficiency for pg&e here in san francisco. my job is to help my customers save money, save energy and save the environment. when it comes to renewable energy, pg&e is absolutely committed to creating a clean energy future. one out of every four solar rooftops in america is in our service area. it's wonderful to work in the city where i live and help my neighbors and i feel like the work that i do reflects that every single day. together, we're building a better california. ing ing. global attention in the 1986 summer games became a big story again today when bruce jenn%jí graced the cover of "vanity fair" and told the world he now wants to be known at caitlyn. >> part of the kardashian clan and now the cover of "vanity fair" pretty much says it all. call me caitlyn. apparently, bruce jenner started to make his transition from man to woman in the early '80s, just a few years after he won the gold in the '76 olympics. jenner says she would go on speaking tours and war a bra and panty hose under her suits. they were shot at jenner's home in malibu. the world saw jenner do an interview with sawyer a few weeks ago where he looked nothing like the cover. turns out he underwent several hours of facial reconstruction surgery since then. the shoot has a video which was narrated by cai thetlyi jenner. >> it was always living that lie. every day, always had a secret from morning until night. kaitlyn doesn't have any secrets. as soon as the "vanity fair" coversv comes out, i'm free. >> jenner says if she were lying on her death bed and had kept the secret she would have been saying you just blew your entire life. a author of friday night lights wrote the article and said he had carte blanche access and promises the article will be reveals. jenner picked up a million twitter followers in the first four hours today. >> wow, amazing. good for her op that. thank you. we'll be right back. and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? 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New-yorkUnited-statesArkansasTexasIranAfghanistanDelawareChinaCaliforniaSyriaRussiaLebanon are discussing how to replace him should he drop out of this race, and then there's this talk of an intervention by close advisers in hopes of restarting his approach to his campaign. rnc head ryan priebus, rudy giuliani, and newt gingrich are all reported attendees at the intervention, but when asked about it today, trump's campaign manager denied knowledge of a plan. >> this is the first i've heard about that. the campaign is focused and moving forward in a positive way. the only thing we have for intervention is media types that keep saying things that aren't true. >> in moments we'll get reaction from dr. ben carson, who's supporting mr. trump, but we begin with john roberts reporting from a trump rally in jacksonville. john? >> reporter: wrapped up just a few minutes ago, megyn. first of all, let me say this idea of discussions taking place should he drop out of the race, i wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in that. i talked to the trump campaign, i talked to the republican national committee, nobody thinks the republican national committee that trump is going to drop out and the trump campaign is absolutely saying he's in this through to november. now to this idea of an intervention. it's a word being bandied about. it's not going to be donald trump walking into a room and ten of his closest advisers and family members going to be there saying, hey, we have to talk. this is where you're going to get some of this from dr. ben carson, because he's interested in this, as well. it would be just a series of phone calls from people like reince priebus, newt gingrich, perhaps ben carson, rudy giuliani, mike huckabee, to say, look, you've got to stop getting off message the way you have been with the attack against the khan family. yesterday in sterling, virginia, you accepted a purple heart from a veteran of the iraq war and said i always wanted to have one of these and this is much easier. anyone awarded a purple heart would tell you that's a medal you least aspire to get. friend of mine had his legs blown off in iraq certainly feels that way, but they want to get trump back on message to the best of his ability. tonight he was better, again talked about the purple heart, but in different terms than he did yesterday. he also talked about gold star families, who he had here at the actual event with him, so very different tone from trump tonight, and he led off the rally tonight with a sharp attack on hillary clinton and the obama administration about the $400 million handed over to iraq at the same time that those hostages were coming up. so the message does seem to be getting through to them. lieutenant general michael flynn who introduced donald trump tonight kind of downplayed the idea an intervention was needed. here's flynn. >> you're hearing in the media today about some type of intervention that's going on in the trump campaign. the intervention is the intervention by the american people against washington, d.c. that's what the intervention is. >> reporter: advisers have called on trump many times in the past to stay on message. he seems to do it for a while, megyn, then kind of falls off the wagon. as one of his closest confidants told me tonight, donald trump will do whatever he wants. megyn? >> john roberts, thank you. joining us now, dr. ben carson, retired pediatric neurosurgeon. good to see you. donald trump will do what he wants. the problem for him, the american electorate will do what it wants, and he's ten points behind hillary in the latest fox news poll, nine points behind in the latest cnn poll, eight points in the latest nbc news poll, so his choices don't seem to be benefiting his campaign as of late. your thoughts? >> well, i'm not sure that the polls mean that much at this stage. it's really like the six weeks before the election when people really start paying attention, but the fact of the matter is, he is coming to the understanding that a lot of people are trying to bait him, because the left really doesn't have any good arguments for the many problems that are plaguing our society. therefore, it is absolutely imperative that they make this about personalities and about people. they do not want to make it about the issues. as he comes to a clear understanding of that, i think he will be able to stay on message, will not be so easily baited and pulled off message. >> we've been at this for a year-plus, this campaigning. you're telling me just now he's realizing his political opponents set traps for him? >> well, it's become so intense now, and it's going to get even more intense as, you know, we get closer to the election, particularly if they are tied or he may be pulling ahead, they'll pull out all stops. the list of things that they will do is unimaginable. >> that's true in every campaign. that's true in every campaign. >> i'll have to disagree. >> thing that got him in a lot of trouble was the way he responded to the khan family, going after the father and the mother of a fallen soldier, gold star family. latest fox news poll shows 69% of the polls said his response was out of bounds. only 19% said it was inbounds. do you admit he made a mistake in how he handled that family? >> well, there's no question that, you know, this is a family that's distraught. they've made a supreme sacrifice for the united states, giving their son, and when they speak, of course there's going to be some emotion there. and you should just give them a pass and move on. i think everybody would pretty much agree that's the case. >> but mr. trump didn't. >> donald would tell you that, too. >> because he suffered the political fallout, but most would do it out of a sense of decency, not political expediency. the question is, earlier today you were on cnn, i think it was, saying that the khans should apologize to donald trump. he should apologize to them, but he should apologize to him, too. why should they apologize to mr. trump? >> because they said things that was false. >> what did they say that was false? >> that he had never read the constitution. where did they get that from? it's unreasonable. >> he's stating his opinion that he didn't believe that. >> again, that's unreasonable. but here's the point that i'm making. >> i'm going to make that point, but i have to press you on that, dr. carson, i know you as an empathetic man, kind man, do you really believe this gold star family should apologize to donald trump, that has sacrificed their son to protect this nation, that were viciously attacked by the presidential nominee, that they owe him an apology? i just want to make sure you really believe that. >> try to listen very carefully to what i'm saying. we, as a society, have gotten ourselves into this tug of war where we get into our separate corners and try to demonize each other. the way that we get out of that is they come together, they shake hands, they exchange pleasantries, and apologies, and say, you know, we have better issues to deal with. they are both on the same side. they are fighting radical islamic terrorists. they lost a son doing that. donald wants to fight that, as well. they need to recognize that this is not something that we need to be pinning ourselves against each other, because it only weakens us. >> they don't like his proposed muslim ban, that's why they are upset with him. i've got to go. great to see you, as always. earlier today paul manafort told fox news the gop would turn focus back to hillary clinton and iran. and while mr. trump did indeed touch on the subjects, he did not exactly stay on message throughout. >> if hillary puts her people on the supreme court, okay, like who knows, elizabeth warren maybe will go, maybe. pocahontas. pocahontas. and those commercials were so false, just like hillary's commercials, they are so false. they are so false. like she's got the one with blood coming out of her eyes. i meant her nose, or her ears, or her mouth. but these people are perverted. i said in new jersey, they were dancing. those people could knock down the world trade center, most likely under the trump policy, wouldn't have been here, but the reporter all of a sudden remembered it totally different from the story. and he was groveling. i won't make the motions, because if i do, they'll say something. nobody's better to people with disabilities than me. i spent millions and millions on buildings taking care of people with disabilities. joining me now, ben dominiche, what is he doing relitigating every controversy from the primary season, ben? >> you know, this is really amazing to me. this is as silly as going back to the same poke stop over and over again and expecting it to be something different. it's not really news the trump campaign is in turmoil, because it's like this every day. as you were saying to dr. carson earlier, this is not something new. we've been talking about this for a year. the problem is, this is a guy if he became accessible to a number of american people, has the ability to beat her, but instead is going back and relitigating, reminding people over and over again of his problems, instead of talking about the many problems she has. >> david, really? and by the way, question for you as an attorney, the fact that trump has put ramps in his buildings is required by law. he doesn't get extra credit for that. you have to. >> but they are very expensive in his buildings, megyn. the type of stuff he was saying today fires up his base. don't kid yourself, but megyn, anybody who's watched the coverage of donald trump and hillary clinton over the past week, do not kid yourself. the mainstream media is trying to do the same thing to trump as the dnc did to bernie sanders, destroy him. >> that's -- >> you win. >> that's what you do. true the mainstream media now hates trump. loved him during the primary season, wanted him to run against hillary, they got their wish. now the critical coverage begins. but must he help them? must he help them so generously every day? >> that's for sure. >> every single day that he comes out here, he gives them a headline, then another headline, then another headline, to the degree by the time you get to the end of the day, which outrageous thing did he say today that we have to make the top story tomorrow? you have a veritable feast of things to pick from to throw at him. the problem is he's helping them. not just the media is biased, because that's not new. he's giving them aid and comfort and help along the way. >> are they going to have to replace him on the ticket? "washington post" says republicans have reached a new level of panic. somebody saying i'd break his thumbs if i could, they said manafort has all but given up. this is all mainstream press reporting that some of the staffers are on suicide watch because manafort has lost control of the candidate. this is what the mainstream media is saying now. >> megyn, i got off the phone with a campaign official a couple of hours ago, he said this is all garbage. i believe him. compare this mini scandal to the scandal sheet that reads like "war and peace" that hillary clinton is racking up. also, megyn, $400 million ransom by obama and hillary clinton gave it a stamp of approval today. >> you just outlined the whole rest of the show, we have it covered, david, nice to see you, ben, nice to see you, too. >> thank you, megyn. >> politics is fun. so we also have breaking news on the bomb shell allegations that president obama sent what republicans are calling a ransom payment to free american hostages from iran. we'll speak next to sergeant robert bartlett injured by an iranian made bomb about the twist to this story. plus, may be our biggest interview yet, attorneys for three of the officers charged are here in an exclusive interview about the officers, the charges, and what we're learning about the prosecutor marilyn mosby. >> we do not believe that freddie gray killed himself. we stand by the medical examiner's determination that freddie gray's death was a freddie gray's death was a homi you totaled your brand new car. nobody's hurt, but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. w...i was always searching for ways to manage my symptoms. i thought i had it covered. then i realized managing was all i was doing. when i finally told my doctor, he said humira was for people like me who have tried other medications,... but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief... ...and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections... ...including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers,... including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions,... ...and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb,... ...hepatitis b, are prone to infections, ...or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. if you're still just managing your symptoms, ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. 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>> well, again, i guess what i'm saying is, a pretty simple negotiation that took place. >> yes, so we have our answer. in moments we'll speak to retired staff sergeant robert bartlett, who was injured by an iranian made bomb in iraq, also opposed to the iranian nuclear agreement. first, james rosen has new developments tonight in washington. james? >> megyn, good evening. the justice department says tonight it supported the ultimate outcome, which included this secret payment of $400 million in hard foreign currency on or about the very day iran released five american hostages. beyond that, however, doj is not responding to the objection to the payment but lost an interagency tussle over it. aids to secretary of state john kerry acknowledged today that they recognized back in january the quote, unquote optics of the secret payment looked bad but they forged ahead anyway because they needed to, quote, get creative in dealing with a hostage foreign government. >> as for the timing, i simply can't answer conclusively that these hostages -- these detainees, americans, were on the plane before that money arrived. what i can say, though, categorically, there was not any kind of understanding on the part of the iranians, and certainly not on the part of us, that these two were linked, that one had to happen before the other. >> u.s. officials said the $400 million was money the shah of iran paid the u.s. for an arms deal before iran seized 52 american hostages and washington froze the regime's assets. obama aides said the cargo plane full of cash represented a down payment on a reasonable settlement of $1.7 billion, interest included. >> we don't give them access to hard currency for the reason that if they get their hands on cash, they give that to hezbollah and to hamas and use it as they recently did to overthrow a friendly government to the united states in yemen. >> and late tonight, the pentagon told our producer lucas tomlinson the defense department played no role in the secret payment. megyn? >> james, thank you. joining us now, retired staff sergeant robert bartlett, who was injured in iraq back in 2005. also mark thiessen, and larry core, former assistant defense secretary and senior fellow at the center for american progress. thank you for being here. sergeant, start with you on your thoughts on, first of all, whether you believe we did not pay this as a ransom, as the administration claims. >> it's evident. it's definitely a ransom. you don't do hard currency in exchange of prisoners. that's exactly what it is. you can't explain it any other way. the press secretary tried to. >> iranian made bomb, how's that make you feel? >> means we've got more coming. we've got more bombs coming. for $100 million you could buy a tactical nuke or icbm with -- with the people that train up your military on how to use it for $100 million, so that means they could buy four. >> whenever we pay the money, exactly. mark, you said last night you don't believe this wasn't ransom and that no one should believe it. when you watch that denial, that attempted denial by josh earnest, it's obvious. >> it's completely obvious. look, if you believe this wasn't a ransom, you probably believe hillary clinton didn't send or receive classified information and that benghazi was about an internet video. it's so obvious this was a ransom. this money has been in dispute since 1979, and suddenly in the dead of night 40 years later a plane arrives secretly with pallets of swiss franks the day american hostages are released and we have to believe it was a coincidence? of course it was a ransom. but here's the point, megyn, it doesn't matter whether the obama administration thought it was a ransom. what matters is the iranians think it was a ransom. you just reported about how the justice department objected to this. the reason they objected is because they believe that sending pallets of swiss francs to the iranians might send a signal to the iranians they are getting a ransom. they didn't want to send that signal. >> that's obvious, right? come on. to everybody out there, larry, who's thinking, duh, what say you? >> well, the president said in january that, in fact, he was going to give them a $1.7 billion, which was their money, plus interest, which there was a case before the international tribunal in the hague, and it looked like we were going to have to pay $10 billion. so, in effect, this is their money, and "the wall street journal" article that everybody's talking about, cia director brennan said it's going to development. he didn't see any other things which we talked about before. it's their money. you're going to have to give it to them at some time, and obama told us in january. to me when i saw this story, i thought, well, we already knew that. gave them $400 million in cash. >> swiss currency, air dropped in the middle -- it was like, we learned a little bit more. >> well, we did, but the fact of the matter is, one of the reasons they wanted hard currency is because we have other sanctions that prevent them from getting the money from the banks. >> we had to do an end around our own sanctions. mark, what do you say to larry's theory? >> well, the problem is, one, the idea that they -- josh earnest said the same thing today, they spent it on infrastructure, they were waiting for cash for shovel-ready projects. the reasons you don't give hundreds of millions to a terrorist regime is because they are going to spend hundreds of millions on terror. that's what they do, this is their moe discuss op ron die. the problem is, doesn't matter what larry thinks, what i think, you think, what anybody thinks whether it's a ransom. the iranians said they believe it's a ransom payment. why would they think that? maybe because this same administration just a few months before that traded five taliban leaders in exchange for an american hostage. so people can be forgiven in the world, terrorist leaders in the world can be forgiven for thinking the obama administration was in the money for hostages business. and the problem with that is, when you give -- when you give money for hostages, it creates an incentive for them to take more hostages, which they are already doing and giving more money. >> larry, last word. >> it's their money. this is $400 million of their money, which we kept and not gave them what they bought. they bought planes from us. after the regime change we didn't send it. it's their money. there's no more money there that they are still owed under this. >> okay. >> and the government hasn't said this officially. some of the people in there, but the iranian government hasn't said this was a payoff. >> what a shock. all right, guys, it's great to see you all. thank you. >> thank you, megyn. also tonight with all the attention on trump, the larger media may have missed a couple of big clinton controversies. we have been paying attention and they are here next to catch us up. plus, what may be our biggest interview yet when it comes to marilyn mosby's prosecution of the baltimore six. attorneys for three of the officers are here tonight exclusively to tell us what they learned about this prosecutor in the middle of this politically charged case. ♪ i'm going to make this as simple as possible for you. you can go ahead and stick with that complicated credit card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or... you can get the quicksilver card from capital one. quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back on ev-e-ry purchase, ev-e-ry-where. i shouldn't have to ask. what's in your wallet? 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"the new york times" today on the e-mail with comey and clinton and whether she lied to chris wallace, "the new york times" public editor said we should have covered this, why didn't we cover this? the explanation, we kind of already have. they felt they had already done that, so they passed it by. >> the explanation kind of stunk, chris, we already knew she when she lied again about her lying, we didn't think it was a story. >> asked and answered, right? lying, liars, that's how they roll. i think this, i think this is sort of like a voyage to the campaign that might have been, to the election that might have been. donald trump and hillary clinton both agree that this election is about donald trump, and they both talk about donald trump every day, and so what might have been this week is that those stories would have gotten huge coverage because of the things that dana described and you described and sort of the huh deal that you're going to get for hillary clinton in the establishment press. but donald trump made sure they didn't have any problem. there was no problem, because we were talking. everybody had to talk all week long so far about the roil in the campaign, stories that had nothing to do except the horse race. that was the gift to hillary clinton. >> the other thing we're seeing right now, i know you watch it as carefully as anybody, is the media has now decided to get trump. and he did a lot of controversial thing in the primaries, as he reminded us of at length today at his own campaign rally. he did a lot of controversial things then, but now the media is like let's talk about it. i mean, you tell me, dana, even msnbc, their morning program over there, they could not have promoted trump more, and now today joe scarborough is out there talking about how three times in one meeting he asked why we couldn't drop a nuclear weapon. once trump got mad at him, he stopped saying nice things about him. >> it was always going to be this, because 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now, she's leaving and the state's attorney is declining to comment about her. and she raised concerns about whether the trial should go forward but state's attorney mary lynn mosby says she aaccused police of undermining the case. watch. >> and like with other cases the prosecutors work with closely with the police to investigate what occurred. what we realized is that police investigating police, whether they're friends or colleagues, was problematic. >> the current baltimore police commissioner defended the investigation. the previous commissioner called marilyn mosby inviktive and sharply said her comments were malicious. it's worth noting the union doubled the dues. experts point out the criminal justice system relies on cooperation between police and prosecutors but in balloter, the rift between the two is back. two complaints have been filed with the maryland commission to have mosby disbarred. joining me now, attorney generals for officer garrett miller, great to see you. >> thank you. >> your clients have been through quite an ordeal. i'm sure you're relieved charges are dropped but i want to ask you about marilyn mosby. there is a push to have her disbarred. do you believe she ought to be? >> there is a process to respond to complaints filed and it's up to the court of appeals to make that decision. i certainly think it's appropriate for the attorney grievance commission to respond to the complaint and investigate this. >> do you think it was that bad? >> yes. >> why? >> from the beginning of the prosecution we've been concerned about the motivation behind the prosecutor's actions and whether or not there was ever probable cause to proceed. as you know, they relied on a grand jury indictment where they claimed that they properly presented evidence and probable cause was found. we made a request to have that proceeding recorded which was denied because we had concerns if the beginning about what information the prosecutor's office was going to present to the grand jury. >> that is one of the question. whether apart if disregarding some of the evidence whether there is a prosecutor hell-bent on getting a certain defense. >> it seemed like no matter what the evidence showed there was an investigation showing there was no wrong doing. >> that is why she's ripping on the cops there. >> exactly. and when she gave her initial speech at the war memorial she talked about the extensive, indepth investigation her office did in conjunction with the sheriff's department in baltimore city. there is no indication of any, no evidence of any investigations. >> real sgree. >> at all. >> so that is false? >> a farce. >> so what did she indict these cops based on? >> well, she wanted to indict them. she indicted them on no evidence. this was no evidence. she was, i think, hopeful that evidence would develop but as the case went on it turned out not only did evidence not develop there was negative evidence that came out. >> piece by piece, the case started to fall part. first she said these cops had no business arresting freddie gray. and she said the knife was legal. you guys said the knife was not legal and she said never mind. the knife has nothing to do with the case. >> it's a problem if any law enforcement officer, prosecutor or police officer arrests and charges anyone without probable cause. our clients and charged with and they didn't do it. now, they've been charged with crimes they didn't commit and we believe are lacking in probable cause. who will be accountable by her? by her theory against our officers, somebody must be accountable. >> how scary is that? how scary for him to be on the receiving end? >> you spend your life as a haurment officer devoted to your community and helping people and the criminal justice system. to watch the criminal justice system turn its back on you and fail you. >> and when there is an acquittal, she would not let go and said, kept saying she's going to get justice for freddie gray. not just justice, which is her job. what is the reaction when you heard her say that? >> i was offended the first time i heard her speaking about this matter, it seemed clear she was speaking to a certain segment of the community. >> this is your moment. you know, our time is now is one of her hashtags. she was politicizing this opportunity opposed to doing her job. >> that is what mike nipom did. >> there is a parallel. from our point of view, it is a question of process. who is policing the prosecutor when their efforts are veiled in secrecy and they can behind behind the secrecy of the grand jury and the work product of their investigation when it becomes clear they never had a case to begin with. we're grateful judge williams properly found nudging. >> who knows? that is the scary thing. >> people out there watching saying a man is dead and there is no reason for somebody, if suspected on a drug crime to wind up dead. the cops didn't buckle him in, and you know, many people feel that that would have been justice to have the cops face charges. go ahead. >> so, there are accidents that happen. that doesn't mean criminal liability. this is a criminal charge. she is a prosecutor. when you're a prosecutor you investigate. you follow evidence. you take your time. >> you have no problem with internal review going on at the police department. you agree that is appropriate? >> absolutely. >> it's just criminalization of a questionable police officer -- police action, you object to? >> correct. i don't think the internal investigation will show there is any wrong doing by officers. i think everything they did, everyone else and every decision is appropriate and done with officer discretion for the safety of the people involved. >> how, how have their lives changed? >> you go from someone helping the community to be slashed over the news, over the news, your mugshot being on the local news every night. it's devastating to my client, their clients. it's devastating to the other three officers. it's a horrific thing to have to be put through. >> it's not over yet. the review is ongoing. and what will happen to ms. moseby? we'll be right back. . ♪ ♪ 4 by 4 by land, 4 by 4 by sea ♪ ♪ 4 by 4 by air - 'cause i like to fly free ♪ ♪ 4 my country and how it all started out ♪ ♪ 4 the brave and every boy scout ♪ ♪ 4 doin' it yourself cuz you want it done right ♪ ♪ 4 by 4 the top down - stars keep ya up at night ♪ ♪ 4 by 4 every one of our seventy-five years ♪ ♪ 4 by 4 the wave - that's how we say 'cheers' ♪ ♪ that's how we live ♪ 4 by 4ever breaking tonight. one woman is dead, five other people are injured after a knife attack in central london police now say could be a possible terror attack. trace gallagher is tracking it from our breaking news desk. trace? >> reporter: megan, just within hours, police are saying that terrorism is a possibility. how they came to that conclusion is very unclear. we know the police were called to russells square at 10:33 p.m. london time after report os of a man attacking people with a life. the woman was killed, five others injured. the severity of the injuries we do not know. the suspect was taken into custody after police used a taser to knock him down. the attack took place in a popular area, near the university of london and the british museum. the area is also home to a memorial commemorating the 7-7 bombings that happened in 2005. the attack, of course, that killed more than 50. and just hours ago, coincidentally, london authorities announced that as part of a new anti-terrorism operation, 600 additional officers would be deployed around highly visible areas around london in the wake of recent terror attacks in europe, as the london police commissioner said anybody who is following events in europe well knows that for the past few weeks that they want to show their determination to protect the public. a crime scene tent has been put up. as we get more information, megyn, we'll bring it to you. >> 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New-yorkUnited-statesIranWashingtonFloridaVirginiaLondonCity-ofUnited-kingdomIraqNew-jerseyPocahontas masse, that senior party leaders are discussing how to replace him should he drop out of this race, and then there's this talk of an intervention by close advisers in hopes of restarting his approach to his campaign. rnc head ryan priebus, rudy giuliani, and newt gingrich are all reported attendees at the intervention, but when asked about it today, trump's campaign manager denied knowledge of a plan. >> this is the first i've heard about that. the campaign is focused and moving forward in a positive way. the only thing we have for intervention is media types that keep saying things that aren't true. >> in moments we'll get reaction from dr. ben carson, who's supporting mr. trump, but we begin with john roberts reporting from a trump rally in jacksonville. john? >> reporter: wrapped up just a few minutes ago, megyn. first of all, let me say this idea of discussions taking place should he drop out of the race, i wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in that. i talked to the trump campaign, i talked to the republican national committee, nobody thinks the republican national committee that trump is going to drop out and the trump campaign is absolutely saying he's in this through to november. now to this idea of an intervention. it's a word being bandied about. it's not going to be donald trump walking into a room and ten of his closest advisers and family members going to be there saying, hey, we have to talk. this is where you're going to get some of this from dr. ben carson, because he's interested in this, as well. it would be just a series of phone calls from people like reince priebus, newt gingrich, perhaps ben carson, rudy giuliani, mike huckabee, to say, look, you've got to stop getting off message the way you have been with the attack against the khan family. yesterday in sterling, virginia, you accepted a purple heart from a veteran of the iraq war and said i always wanted to have one of these and this is much easier. anyone awarded a purple heart would tell you that's a medal you least aspire to get. friend of mine had his legs blown off in iraq certainly feels that way, but they want to get trump back on message to the best of his ability. tonight he was better, again talked about the purple heart, but in different terms than he did yesterday. he also talked about gold star families, who he had here at the actual event with him, so very different tone from trump tonight, and he led off the rally tonight with a sharp attack on hillary clinton and the obama administration about the $400 million handed over to iraq at the same time that those hostages were coming up. so the message does seem to be getting through to them. lieutenant general michael flynn who introduced donald trump tonight kind of downplayed the idea an intervention was needed. here's flynn. >> you're hearing in the media today about some type of intervention that's going on in the trump campaign. the intervention is the intervention by the american people against washington, d.c. that's what the intervention is. >> reporter: advisers have called on trump many times in the past to stay on message. he seems to do it for a while, megyn, then kind of falls off the wagon. as one of his closest confidants told me tonight, donald trump will do whatever he wants. megyn? >> john roberts, thank you. joining us now, dr. ben carson, retired pediatric neurosurgeon. good to see you. donald trump will do what he wants. the problem for him, the american electorate will do what it wants, and he's ten points behind hillary in the latest fox news poll, nine points behind in the latest cnn poll, eight points in the latest nbc news poll, so his choices don't seem to be benefiting his campaign as of late. your thoughts? >> well, i'm not sure that the polls mean that much at this stage. it's really like the six weeks before the election when people really start paying attention, but the fact of the matter is, he is coming to the understanding that a lot of people are trying to bait him, because the left really doesn't have any good arguments for the many problems that are plaguing our society. therefore, it is absolutely imperative that they make this about personalities and about people. they do not want to make it about the issues. as he comes to a clear understanding of that, i think he will be able to stay on message, will not be so easily baited and pulled off message. >> we've been at this for a year-plus, this campaigning. you're telling me just now he's realizing his political opponents set traps for him? >> well, it's become so intense now, and it's going to get even more intense as, you know, we get closer to the election, particularly if they are tied or he may be pulling ahead, they'll pull out all stops. the list of things that they will do is unimaginable. >> that's true in every campaign. that's true in every campaign. >> i'll have to disagree. >> thing that got him in a lot of trouble was the way he responded to the khan family, going after the father and the mother of a fallen soldier, gold star family. latest fox news poll shows 69% of the polls said his response was out of bounds. only 19% said it was inbounds. do you admit he made a mistake in how he handled that family? >> well, there's no question that, you know, this is a family that's distraught. they've made a supreme sacrifice for the united states, giving their son, and when they speak, of course there's going to be some emotion there. and you should just give them a pass and move on. i think everybody would pretty much agree that's the case. >> but mr. trump didn't. >> donald would tell you that, too. >> because he suffered the political fallout, but most would do it out of a sense of decency, not political expediency. the question is, earlier today you were on cnn, i think it was, saying that the khans should apologize to donald trump. he should apologize to them, but he should apologize to him, too. why should they apologize to mr. trump? >> because they said things that was false. >> what did they say that was false? >> that he had never read the constitution. where did they get that from? it's unreasonable. >> he's stating his opinion that he didn't believe that. >> again, that's unreasonable. but here's the point that i'm making. >> i'm going to make that point, but i have to press you on that, dr. carson, i know you as an empathetic man, kind man, do you really believe this gold star family should apologize to donald trump, that has sacrificed their son to protect this nation, that were viciously attacked by the presidential nominee, that they owe him an apology? i just want to make sure you really believe that. >> try to listen very carefully to what i'm saying. we, as a society, have gotten ourselves into this tug of war where we get into our separate corners and try to demonize each other. the way that we get out of that is they come together, they shake hands, they exchange pleasantries, and apologies, and say, you know, we have better issues to deal with. they are both on the same side. they are fighting radical islamic terrorists. they lost a son doing that. donald wants to fight that, as well. they need to recognize that this is not something that we need to be pinning ourselves against each other, because it only weakens us. >> they don't like his proposed muslim ban, that's why they are upset with him. i've got to go. great to see you, as always. earlier today paul manafort told fox news the gop would turn focus back to hillary clinton and iran. and while mr. trump did indeed touch on the subjects, he did not exactly stay on message throughout. >> if hillary puts her people on the supreme court, okay, like who knows, elizabeth warren maybe will go, maybe. pocahontas. pocahontas. and those commercials were so false, just like hillary's commercials, they are so false. they are so false. like she's got the one with blood coming out of her eyes. i meant her nose, or her ears, or her mouth. but these people are perverted. i said in new jersey, they were dancing. those people could knock down the world trade center, most likely under the trump policy, wouldn't have been here, but the reporter all of a sudden remembered it totally different from the story. and he was groveling. i won't make the motions, because if i do, they'll say something. nobody's better to people with disabilities than me. i spent millions and millions on buildings taking care of people with disabilities. joining me now, ben dominiche, what is he doing relitigating every controversy from the primary season, ben? >> you know, this is really amazing to me. this is as silly as going back to the same poke stop over and over again and expecting it to be something different. it's not really news the trump campaign is in turmoil, because it's like this every day. as you were saying to dr. carson earlier, this is not something new. we've been talking about this for a year. the problem is, this is a guy if he became accessible to a number of american people, has the ability to beat her, but instead is going back and relitigating, reminding people over and over again of his problems, instead of talking about the many problems she has. >> david, really? and by the way, question for you as an attorney, the fact that trump has put ramps in his buildings is required by law. he doesn't get extra credit for that. you have to. >> but they are very expensive in his buildings, megyn. the type of stuff he was saying today fires up his base. don't kid yourself, but megyn, anybody who's watched the coverage of donald trump and hillary clinton over the past week, do not kid yourself. the mainstream media is trying to do the same thing to trump as the dnc did to bernie sanders, destroy him. >> that's -- >> you win. >> that's what you do. true the mainstream media now hates trump. loved him during the primary season, wanted him to run against hillary, they got their wish. now the critical coverage begins. but must he help them? must he help them so generously every day? >> that's for sure. >> every single day that he comes out here, he gives them a headline, then another headline, then another headline, to the degree by the time you get to the end of the day, which outrageous thing did he say today that we have to make the top story tomorrow? you have a veritable feast of things to pick from to throw at him. the problem is he's helping them. not just the media is biased, because that's not new. he's giving them aid and comfort and help along the way. >> are they going to have to replace him on the ticket? "washington post" says republicans have reached a new level of panic. somebody saying i'd break his thumbs if i could, they said manafort has all but given up. this is all mainstream press reporting that some of the staffers are on suicide watch because manafort has lost control of the candidate. this is what the mainstream media is saying now. >> megyn, i got off the phone with a campaign official a couple of hours ago, he said this is all garbage. i believe him. comp scandal to the scandal sheet that reads like "war and peace" that hillary clinton is racking up. also, megyn, $400 million ransom by obama and hillary clinton gave it a stamp of approval today. >> you just outlined the whole rest of the show, we have it covered, david, nice to see you, ben, nice to see you, too. >> thank you, megyn. >> politics is fun. so we also have breaking news on the bomb shell allegations that president obama sent what republicans are calling a ransom payment to free american hostages from iran. we'll speak next to sergeant robert bartlett injured by an iranian made bomb about the twist to this story. plus, may be our biggest interview yet, attorneys for three of the officers charged are here in an exclusive interview about the officers, the charges, and what we're learning about the prosecutor marilyn mosby. >> we do not believe that freddie gray killed himself. we stand by the medical examiner's determination that freddie gray's death was a homicide. you totaled your brand new car. nobody's hurt, but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? 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>> i think what's true is there was a team of negotiators. >> again, would those prisoners have been released then if this money had not been paid to them? >> what i can tell you is our negotiators, who were talking with the iranians about what was necessary to secure the release of american citizens in iran succeeded. >> it was a simple question. would those -- >> let me say -- >> if the money wasn't paid on that same weekend? >> well, again, i guess what i'm saying is, a pretty simple negotiation that took place. >> yes, so we have our answer. in moments we'll speak to retired staff sergeant robert bartlett, who was injured by an iranian made bomb in iraq, also opposed to the iranian nuclear agreement. first, james rosen has new developments tonight in washington. james? >> megyn, good evening. the justice department says tonight it supported the ultimate outcome, which included this secret payment of $400 million in hard foreign currency on or about the very day iran released five american hostages. beyond that, however, doj is not responding to the objection to the payment but lost an interagency tussle over it. aids to secretary of state john kerry acknowledged today that they recognized back in january the quote, unquote optics of the secret payment looked bad but they forged ahead anyway because they needed to, quote, get creative in dealing with a hostage foreign government. >> as for the timing, i simply can't answer conclusively that these hostages -- these detainees, americans, were on the plane before that money arrived. what i can say, though, categorically, there was not any kind of understanding on the part of the iranians, and certainly not on the part of us, that these two were linked, that one had to happen before the other. >> u.s. officials said the $400 million was money the shah of iran paid the u.s. for an arms deal before iran seized 52 american hostages and washington froze the regime's assets. obama aides said the cargo plane full of cash represented a down payment on a reasonable settlement of $1.7 billion, interest included. >> we don't give them access to hard currency for the reason that if they get their hands on cash, they give that to hezbollah and to hamas and use it as they recently did to overthrow a friendly government to the united states in yemen. >> and late tonight, the pentagon told our producer lucas tomlinson the defense department played no role in the secret payment. megyn? >> james, thank you. joining us now, retired staff sergeant robert bartlett, who was injured in iraq back in 2005. also mark thiessen, and larry core, former assistant defense secretary and senior fellow at the center for american progress. thank you for being here. sergeant, start with you on your thoughts on, first of all, whether you believe we did not pay this as a ransom, as the administration claims. >> it's evident. it's definitely a ransom. you don't do hard currency in exchange of prisoners. that's exactly what it is. you can't explain it any other way. the press secretary tried to. >> iranian made bomb, how's that make you feel? >> means we've got more coming. we've got more bombs coming. for $100 million you could buy a tactical nuke or icbm with -- with the people that train up your military on how to use it for $100 million, so that means they could buy four. >> whenever we pay the money, exactly. mark, you said last night you don't believe this wasn't ransom and that no one should believe it. when you watch that denial, that attempted denial by josh earnest, it's obvious. >> it's completely obvious. look, if you believe this wasn't a ransom, you probably believe hillary clinton didn't send or receive classified information and that benghazi was about an internet video. it's so obvious this was a ransom. this money has been in dispute since 1979, and suddenly in the dead of night 40 years later a plane arrives secretly with pallets of swiss franks the day american hostages are released and we have to believe it was a coincidence? of course it was a ransom. but here's the point, megyn, it doesn't matter whether the obama administration thought it was a ransom. what matters is the iranians think it was a ransom. you just reported about how the justice department objected to this. the reason they objected is because they believe that sending pallets of swiss francs to the iranians might send a signal to the iranians they are getting a ransom. they didn't want to send that signal. >> that's obvious, right? come on. to everybody out there, larry, who's thinking, duh, what say you? >> well, the president said in january that, in fact, he was going to give them a $1.7 billion, which was their money, plus interest, which there was a case before the international tribunal in the hague, and it looked like we were going to have to pay $10 billion. so, in effect, this is their money, and "the wall street journal" article that everybody's talking about, cia director brennan said it's going to development. he didn't see any other things which we talked about before. it's their money. you're going to have to give it to them at some time, and obama told us in january. to me when i saw this story, i thought, well, we already knew that. gave them $400 million in cash. >> swiss currency, air dropped in the middle -- it was like, we learned a little bit more. >> well, we did, but the fact of the matter is, one of the reasons they wanted hard currency is because we have other sanctions that prevent them from getting the money from the banks. >> we had to do an end around our own sanctions. mark, what do you say to larry's theory? >> well, the problem is, one, the idea that they -- josh earnest said the same thing today, they spent it on infrastructure, they were waiting for cash for shovel-ready projects. the reasons you don't give hundreds of millions to a terrorist regime is because they are going to spend hundreds of millions on terror. that's what they do, this is their moe discuss op ron die. the problem is, doesn't matter what larry thinks, what i think, you think, what anybody thinks whether it's a ransom. the iranians said they believe it's a ransom payment. why would they think that? maybe because this same administration just a few months before that traded five taliban leaders in exchange for an american hostage. so people can be forgiven in the world, terrorist leaders in the world can be forgiven for thinking the obama administration was in the money for hostages business. and the problem with that is, when you give -- when you give money for hostages, it creates an incentive for them to take more hostages, which they are already doing and giving more money. >> larry, last word. >> it's their money. this is $400 million of their money, which we kept and not gave them what they bought. they bought planes from us. after the regime change we didn't send it. it's their money. there's no more money there that they are still owed under this. >> okay. >> and the government hasn't said this officially. some of the people in there, but the iranian government hasn't said this was a payoff. >> what a shock. all right, guys, it's great to see you all. thank you. >> thank you, megyn. also tonight with all the attention on trump, the larger media may have missed a couple of big clinton controversies. we have been paying attention and they are here next to catch us up. plus, what may be our biggest interview yet when it comes to marilyn mosby's prosecution of the baltimore six. attorneys for three of the officers are here tonight exclusively to tell us what they learned about this prosecutor in the middle of this politically charged case. stay tuned. to severe plaque psoriasis, isn't it time to let the real you shine through? 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after e-mail leaks showing them conspireing against bernie sanders, among other things, then the democratic nominee is accused of lying directly to chris wallace when claiming fbi director james comey described her as being truthful about her private e-mail server. in that same interview she was asked about lying to the mother of a benghazi victim, as has been alleged, and she passed that off by suggesting pat smith was too distressed to understand what secretary clinton was saying. joining me now, chris dyer, and dana parrino, co-host of "the five." good to see you both. dana, let me start with you. let's just start with this entire resignation of the leaders at the dnc. in those e-mails, not only was the dnc conspireing against sanders, but there was misogyny, there was racism, there was anti-semitism, and where has that been? why isn't that made the front page of all these papers? >> well, when that all was happening as the dnc got started, on the first day of hillary clinton's convention, she had a terrible start to her convention. feels like a long time ago, but it was really only ten days, and they moved ahead of the chairwoman of the democratic national committee, and i really think once that was over for them and they had moved on at the dnc, at the convention, the rest of the staff didn't matter as much. there was some coverage of it, but as you're saying, drinking from a fire hose, i also think of it as an emergency room. the reporters are in triage and they've got to decide which story is the most important one. "the new york times" today on the e-mail with comey and clinton and whether she lied to chris wallace, "the new york times" public editor said we should have covered this, why didn't we cover this? the explanation, we kind of already have. they felt they had already done that, so they passed it by. >> the explanation kind of stunk, chris, we already knew she lied. when she lied again about her lying, we didn't think it was a story. >> asked and answered, right? lying, liars, that's how they roll. i think this, i think this is sort of like a voyage to the campaign that might have been, to the election that might have been. donald trump and hillary clinton both agree that this election is about donald trump, and they both talk about donald trump every day, and so what might have been this week is that those stories would have gotten huge coverage because of the things that dana described and you described and sort of the huh deal that you're going to get for hillary clinton in the establishment press. but donald trump made sure they didn't have any problem. there was no problem, because we were talking. everybody had to talk all week long so far about the roil in the campaign, stories that had nothing to do except the horse race. that was the gift to hillary clinton. >> the other thing we're seeing right now, i know you watch it as carefully as anybody, is the media has now decided to get trump. and he did a lot of controversial thing in the primaries, as he reminded us of at length today at his own campaign rally. he did a lot of controversial things then, but now the media is like let's talk about it. i mean, you tell me, dana, even msnbc, their morning program over there, they could not have promoted trump more, and now today joe scarborough is out there talking about how three times in one meeting he asked why we couldn't drop a nuclear weapon. once trump got mad at him, he stopped saying nice things about him. >> it was always going to be this, because that's what happens. same thing with romney. media loves romney until he won the primary. >> right. >> then they went after him and attacked him viciously and he went on to lose. if you're the republican candidate, you have to factor that into your thinking. it is a blessing and the curse to be the media's favorite because they are always talking about you, and in some ways you think if they are always talking about me, that's a good thing. some of his poll numbers, core supporters, donald trump has held on to them, but the story chris has talked about, given a choice, reporters will always cover the process story first. it's more interesting to talk about intrigue inside the trump campaign or the clinton campaign. >> we're lazy, we're lazy. we are. what about that, donald trump also the report out of the washington post five times in an interview he stopped to watch television. he loves what he sees on television, sometimes he hates what he sees on television. we are just a mirror. that's all we are, a mirror to what we see from these politicians. and the question is whether trump is now getting elected, this beast he loves so much may not love him back. >> i think newt gingrich talked about it today, about the difference, the reason trump is engaged in what gingrich is calling self destructive behavior, the game has changed. when you're in a 17-person dog pile, being the dog that barks the loudest, you stay in the news. people are trying to find out about the freshman senator of florida or governor of ohio, they just hear about donald trump. it being a referendum on donald trump was fine in the primary. won't work in the general. >> she's making news of her own -- >> exactly, exactly. >> great to see you both. >> you bet. there's breaking news coming in right now. one woman is dead, five other people injured after a knife attack in central london. people are now describing it as a possible terror attack. we're just getting news on this. hearing this in my ear, just crossing the news wires. the last couple of minutes, we're going to try to get more information for you, hopefully have that for you in moments. plus, we have a must-see interview coming up on marilyn mosby's prosecution of the baltimore six, as attorneys for three of those officers join us for their first tv interview. and we will ask about the actions of this prosecutor, marilyn mosby, next. for your heartburn? 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>> first, the attorney's office said there was zero truth to rumors lisa fephelps was leavin and now that she has quit, the state's attorney isn't commenting on her. phelps was assigned to prosecute two of the final three trials, and she raised concerns about whether the trials should go forward, but state's attorney marilyn mosby said the reason she decided to drop the remaining charges is because the judge overseeing the trial was unlikely to convict and because she accused police of undermining the case. watch. >> unlike with other cases where prosecutors work closely with the police to investigate what actually occurred, what we realized very early on in this case was that police investigating police, whether they are friends or merely their colleagues, was problematic. >> the current baltimore police commissioner has defended the investigation. the previous commissioner has called marilyn mosby incompetent and vindictive, and the police union has sharply criticized her accusations, calling them malicious and baseless. it's worth noting the police union nearly doubled the dues of members to pay for the officers trials and even though the charges have been dropped, the dues are not going down because the union believes mosby will continue going after cops. experts point out the criminal justice system relies heavily on cooperation between police and prosecutors, but in baltimore the rift between the two is vast. so far at least two complaints have been filed with the marilyn attorney grievance commission to have marilyn mosby disbarred. megyn? >> trace, thank you. joining me now in a tv exclusive, marc zayon, attorney for mark nehro, mark belsky, and katherine flynn, attorney for garrett miller. your clients have been through quite an ordeal and i'm sure you're very relieved the charges are now officially dropped, but i want to ask you about marilyn mosby. there's a push to have her disbarred. do you believe she ought to be? >> i think there's a process for the attorney grievance commission to respond to complaints that have been filed, and ultimately it's up to the court of appeals to make that kind of decision, but i certainly think it's appropriate for the attorney grooechs commission to respond to the complaint filed and investigate this. >> you think it was that bad? >> yes. >> why? >> from the very beginning of the prosecution of this case, we've been concerned about the motivation behind the prosecutor's actions and whether or not there was ever probable cause perceived. as you know, they relied on a grand jury indictment where they claimed that they properly presented evidence and that probable cause was found. we actually made a request to have that entire proceeding recorded, which was denied, because we had concern from the very beginning about what information the prosecutor's office was actually going to present to the grand jury. >> that's one of the questions, marc, apart from disregarding some of the evidence, whether this was a prosecutor hell bent on getting a certain result no matter where the evidence took her. >> right, seems she started with a theory she was going to indict the officers no matter what the evidence showed. she did no investigation. the baltimore city police department did a phenomenal investigation showing there was no wrong doing. >> she's ripping on the cops there, that's why she's ripping on them. >> exactly, and when she gave her speech at the war memorial, she talked about the extensive in-depth investigation her office did, in conjunction with the sheriff's department and baltimore city, none of which seems to have happened. there was no indication or evidence of any investigation done at all. >> really? that was bull? >> it's a farce. >> so what did she indict these cops based on? >> well, she wanted to indict them. she indicted them with no evidence, there was no evidence. i think she was hopeful that evidence would develop, but as the case went on, it turned out that not only did evidence not develop, there was negative evidence, exculpatory evidence. >> piece by piece the case started to fall apart, mike, including the knife. she said these cops have no business arresting freddie gray. they claimed he had an illegal knife on him, but she said the knife was legal. then you guys came out and said that knife was not legal, and she said never mind, the knife had nothing to do with the case. >> that's a problem. that's a problem when any law enforcement officer, be it prosecutor or police officer, arrests and charges people without probable cause. that is a problem. that's what our clients were charged with. they didn't do it. and now we have a prosecutor who's done that to our clients, so now what? they've been charged with crimes they didn't commit, crimes we believe were lacking in probable cause, so who will be accountable for that? somebody must be accountable if there's no probable cause and they were arrested. >> how scary was it for him to be on the receiving end of that? >> imagine that, you spend your life as a law enforcement officer devoted to your community, devoted to helping people, devoted to the criminal justice system, then you have to watch the criminal justice system turn its back on you and fail you. >> and even when there was an acquittal, a hung jury and so on, she still would not let go and said -- kept saying she was going to get justice for freddie gray. not just justice, which is her job. what was the reaction when you heard her say that? >> i was offended the first time i heard her speaking about this matter. it seemed very clear that she was speaking to a certain segment of the community, but she was not -- >> this is your moment. our time is now was one of her hash tags. she was clearly politicizing this opportunity, as opposed to doing her job. >> that's what happened down in north carolina. similarities between the two cases? >> i think there is a parallel, and it's, you know, from our point of view it's an abuse of the process. the question becomes, who is policing the prosecutor when their efforts are veiled in secrecy and they can hide behind the secrecy of the grand jury and hide behind the work product of their investigation, when, in fact, what's become clear is that they never had a case to begin with. and we are all grateful that judge williams properly evaluated the evidence and found that -- >> who knows, who knows, that's the scary thing. i have to ask you, a man is dead, and there was no reason for somebody, even suspected on a drug crime, to wind up dead in the -- cops didn't buckle him in, they were supposed to buckle him in, and you know many people feel that it would have been justice to have the cops face charges. go ahead. >> so, there are accidents that happen, and when there are accidents, that doesn't mean there's criminal liability, so this is a criminal charge. osecutor. and i was a prosecutor. when you're a prosecutor, you investigate, you follow the evidence, you go where the evidence leads you. you take your time. you don't rush to indict. >> you have no problem with the internal review going on at the police department? >> there should be an internal review, absolutely. >> just the criminalization of a questionable police officer -- police action. >> correct. and i don't think the internal investigation will show there was any wrong doing by the officers. i think everything that they did, specifically with regard to officer nero, but everyone else, as well. it was done with officers discretion for the safety of the people involved. >> how have their lives changed? >> imagine you go from a private citizen, from being somebody who's out there helping the community, to being splashed all over the news, your mug shot being put on the local news every night. it's devastating. devastating to my client, devastating to their clients, devastating to the other three officers. it's a horrific thing. >> it's not over yet. the review is ongoing, thank you all. we appreciate it. we'll be right back. ♪ (ee-e-e-oh-mum-oh-weh) (hush my darling...) 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New-yorkUnited-statesNorth-carolinaIranWashingtonFloridaVirginiaLondonCity-ofUnited-kingdomIraqNew-jersey it's very simple. turn back now, go back home. we will not let you in. we are not going to let you in. >> dana: president trump accusing migrants in the caravan is using children as human shields as border patrol agents fired tear gas sunday. >> why is a parent running into an area where they know the tear gas is forming they're going to be formed and they are running there with the child. in some cases you know they are not the parents. these are grabbers. they grab a child because they think they're going to have a certain status by having a chil child. >> dana: counselor to the president of kellyanne conway. >> the mainstream media only wants you to see the children, the families. they are not telling you most of the caravan are males traveling by themselves, that of course projectiles and rocks were thrown at our brave men and women at the border and they used nonlethal force in response because they have a right to defend themselves make sure that others where there are not arme armed. >> dana: a potential government shutdown looming with president trump reportedly demanding $5 billion to build a border wall. let's get to that in a moment. greg, how are we going to wrap this up down there? i did have a report earlier today on "the daily briefing," that there were two -- >> greg: was chris dyer walt on? >> dana: to busloads of teenagers decided to go home. >> greg: smart move. one of the burdens of being of -- a conservative is we are strained with the law and order presumption that we will always be accused of lacking compassion. no way out of it. if you are a conservative or right winger or libertarian, you will always be seen as insensitive especially in situations like this, you'll be accused of being cruel because they will have footage of tear gas and pepper spray to make somebody look bad. the problem is it's it's actually the opposite because who warned that this was going to happen? us, and when we talked about this, we were accused of being exploitive. exploit native. >> dana: both will work. >> greg: when we talked about this happening in saying that it wouldn't end well, the media laughed investment and what happens in a doesn't end well, they blame us. so you can't win and it's actually wrong. if the conservatives and the people for law and order and constraint that had the best interests for this group of manipulated souls. these are souls were being manipulated by activists and it's a persuasive left-wing ploy to do this kind of thing. it never ends well for the people being used. >> dana: jesse, i talked to administration official at dhs who said, i asked the question, what does success look like to you in a month and they said an orderly process for asylum claims taken place in mexico, that they think that's what they would like to get to annex their goal. >> jesse: it's a good goal. i don't know if it's going to happen. now that i am a dog owner, dana, i am much more compassionate. i feel like these people deserve a chance and i listen to greg and i say you can be compassionate and be for law and order. >> dana: you can be a compassionate conservative. espy i just say that? [laughter] the perfect person to articulate that. listen, this has to be fixed soon. not only do the people in the northern's having the border dislike it, the people in tijuana hate it. it's a huge crisis and for some reason the people that are american citizens, border patrol agents, our fellow patriots, protecting our safety, they are the ones who are being villain eyes to -- villainized. this president believes in america first and the left believes in blame america first. it's an underdog mentality. they are uncomfortable with being a world superpower so whenever an underdog or third world country or anybody not as powerful as america has any sort of assault on this country, the immediate thought is what did we do to provoke this? why are we to blame? how can we, you know, accept this assault and a way because we are so powerful that we can take it on the chin all the time. that mentality has affected the thought process of many people in the left that are okay with what's going on at the border and i think it's wrong. >> dana: juan, do you think the democrats are worried that they are being perceived as being okay with what's going on? >> juan: i think what they worry about is how president trump is trying to structure this as an invasion, somehow these are people who constitute a threat to american security in some cases where they are criminals or gang members. as opposed to the reality which is that they are a desperate bunch people coming seeking a title. we have funneled them all into one place and then we tell them to wait on the other side and of course there are long delays in terms of the processes we were talking about people get frustrated. especially when they been through a long journey. apparently about a quarter to more with children. the children are out of control. everyone is frustrated and anxious. >> greg: who created this? >> juan: i think who created this was donald trump. >> greg: he didn't start the caravan. all immigrants wait. >> juan: you don't wait like this. we've had with trump, he had separation of families at the border. >> greg: obama did that. >> juan: no he didn't. >> greg: yes, he did. >> juan: this is absurd. >> jesse: how did trump start the caravan? >> juan: i didn't say he started it. a federal judge has said he's wrong but he said the only place you can apply is through existing ports of entry. you can't just come across the border which has been the practice in the past for people who were seeking asylum. so the new the -- he put peopln jeopardy and you create anxiety and you say they are bad people. >> dana: let's get morgan in here. the sheer number of people coming over has definitely changed. dhs has said it's the biggest caravan. there's another one behind this one and another one behind that. something else needs to happen. it can't be status quo. steve on the last time i was on the show, you brought up a great point. >> greg: states in her great point journal. we are not looking holistically at where this came from. we need to look at a regional approach. when you look at the border, it's not just about immigration or migrants coming in. 90% of the heroin, the majority of the fentanyl that's getting into the country gets in through the southern border. so politically all we are seeing is, because the media has decided it's politically correct to be on the side of the immigrants we are seeing of children and babies which is terrible. i could also take you to every region of the world. i could take you to syria, afghanistan, the middle east, africa and show you pictures of women and babies that would break our heart. but the whole world wants to come here so we have to figure out who'd we help, and why. we can't discount the national security aspect of this of an insecure border with drugs and many illicit things coming across. it's a much bigger problem. everyone is taking political pot shots at each other. >> jesse: i want to double down on greg's point. juan said something that trump is responsible for what we are seeing. a month ago, donald trump warned the central american governments stop it. we are going to pull away your aid. please don't let them come. he warned mexico don't let them come. and then he said if you come here, we are not going to give you asylum. he said if you tried to cross the border, we are going to detain you and so we process you are not due catch and release. he has warned about this. he has had there's going to be violent clashes. he has tried to bolster the southern border and now when you have situation where it all -- these warnings have been unheated by these people and by the media, they get there and td them with sheer gas which is law enforcement 101. >> greg: obama did it 80 times. >> jesse: no one said a word and then trump is to blame, juan? 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>> juan: how do we know? as you point out, there's reason to be skeptical. on the other hand, the guardian says they've seen evidence of manafort flying from frankfurt to london. they put their credibility on the line. we'll have to judge when we find out more, jesse. what's clear is that if it was true, is it still -- doesn't still make a difference question like it's early in the process. the last time is march of '16 pitches before we know about the relationship of the hacking of the democratic emails and the like. if you have that, do we really know that there was anything more than just chitchat. it wasn't directly related to having julian assange release the hacked emails in way that undermines the clinton campaign by playing into the russian propaganda thing. the real news of the day. as opposed anything to do with donald trump. >> jesse: they are calling it fake news and we have no idea. lying to mueller, that's the charge manafort is facing. they are going to revoke his plea deal. some people say that he cut the plea deal and he's not telling the special counsel with the special counsel wants to hear and that's the basis of it. >> dana: will have to find out out. mueller is moving for the sentencing to happen immediately and pulling the plea deal. when you do that, you have to write a sentencing memo that explains. i don't think they would go to these lengths and say we think he's lying to us. you have to show why. you can judge whether it was fake or real. he lied to the fbi. there are consequences for it. >> jesse: i don't see this ever ending. this is approaching two years. doesn't show any signs of winding down. >> greg: it's like the simpsons. i agree with you, juan. this manafort meeting is to be hilarious that he met assange in 2013 because he really thought there was a possibility of a trump presidency. he might have been the only person on the planet who believed there would be a trump presidency in 2013. it makes absolutely no sense. either that or assange truly is a genius. no matter what comes out of it, it will be delicious, for the mainstream media but i don't think anything will have legal conferences for trump. you have to look at these metrics. crime is declining globally. gdp, jobs, wages. you can have your scandal but the world is going great. >> jesse: if dershowitz is right and there's no criminal in it but there are people who are going to say see, there's no collusion. and be one of the site was a trump is a villain. >> morgan: there's always a lot of moving parts of the story and as it relates to manafort, essentially what mueller is saying that he's no longer useful to the government. no longer cooperating witness. >> dana: saying that he lied, which is different. >> morgan: also not able to prove whatever narrative they are trying to put out there. who still is cooperating? we know flynn and cohen. >> dana: flynn's sentencing is next tuesday. these developments started after president trump turned in his answers. i think you can see they are like let's wind it down. >> morgan: if you combined that with the russians have been indicted for hacking and the social media campaign, you can start to see what you learned trying to connect. did flynn, manafort, cohen, any of these guys have interactions with the russians have been indicted. will there be a assange indictment as well? we had that story a couple weeks ago. if you see a assange indictment, you see the russians on two counts have been indicted. is there a way, this is what the whole -- >> dana: there's another person cooperating, robert gates. how could mueller know that manafort was lying? he is still talking to gates. that's a possibility and that's i show the connection. >> jesse: gates it's a known liar. he will say anything in order to save his tail and he was proven a liar when he was under cross-examination. >> juan: also trump has submitted some answers. i don't understand how that works but the question is were trump's lawyers in touch with what was being said. >> dana: or may be trump's answers get to the part where you can wrap it up. >> greg: let's wrap up this segment. >> juan: today you had president trump. >> jesse: on to the monologue. >> juan: going after mueller in such a way that would suggest we are about to wrap it up and stop going to be good news for him when he says these people should be going after hillary clinton. oh, my gosh. talk about distractions big time. gas lighting. >> jesse: is twitter unfairly silencing conservatives while radical lefties get a free pass? 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not sure, since twitter really hasn't said. we do know it wasn't for being anti-semitic because louis farrakhan is still welcome. twitter is a company. it can toss anyone it wants. if i own a bar and you are being a jerk, you are gone. the question is whether who stays and who goes. if this guy was picked up for being a jerk, then let's kick off all the jerks, right? then there goes twitter. if the guy actually harassed someone, twitter should have said so. it makes you wonder if twitter's treatment is fair. and when they have changed their minds if jesse hadn't been on tucker carlson last night? >> they have given me no explanation as they told congress they would give explanations. all they sent was an email that said you are permanently banned. you can't appeal it for repeat of the rules violations. i don't violate their rules. i don't cuss. i don't harass people. i don't do those ugly things some people do. twitter is going to become what they are. my account vanish like a hillary clinton email. >> greg: tucker carlson did not blink once. i don't know what mr. kelly said to get him in hot water but the trend is larger than any one dude. it's part of a larger think culture where groupthink monitors an activist mainstream media websites and social justice mobsters target dissenters in this attack typically goes in one direction. left to right. the right rarely titles so twitter think they don't matter. make a bad joke, use the wrong pronoun, god help you. you will get doxxed, annoyed at home, fired from google, kicked off twitter. what's the solution? to paraphrase walter kern, as twitter limits expression, it started to feel like tacit approval to say so maybe it's time to move on its arts and freedom of our own. i am ambivalent about this because when i say get off twitter, it's because we all have "the five." we have a place we can express our opinions. i say hate twitter. get off twitter. but if someone like jesse kelly is kicked off twitter come he doesn't have a place to go and shout like i do or you do. >> dana: you make a good point about twitter. it's a private company. they can make these decisions but tucker brought up last night that these private companies are acting like media companies. media companies are actually regulated differently and there's a lot of heat on all of silicon valley. the regulatory pushes coming from the right and left but for different reasons. i don't think it will actually end up getting to any solution. at this point, i think you're right. there is no other place to go for people -- i guess there is. you can go to facebook. then you have those problems. >> greg: every place has a problem. except here, jesse. >> jesse: not watters' world. >> greg: do you think twitter is responding out of fear from focus pressure. if three people will get on twitter and they bombarded them. that's how i feel. >> jesse: i think liberals might complain more and target conservative speech more actively. i don't think conservatives really care that much when liberals go off because they go off so often. except someone high-profile like louisville or congo i think that's a huge double standard. jack dorsey, the ceo, admitted there is a huge institutional problem at twitter. he sits conservative employees "don't feel safe to express their opinions" at the company and it's a big problem. over 90% of donations in the 2016 presidential cycle from twitter and other social media companies went to hillary clinton. remember when twitter actually deactivated donald trump's account. some random dude in the back of the company deactivated the president of the united states account. look at these people, conservatives who been deactivated or suspended. james woods, laura bloomer, alex jones, candace owens, roger stone. i'm not defending anything these guys did but i can't find one prominent liberal that twitter has -- >> greg: i know. there's a feminist who just got thrown off by saying -- i would hasten to say alex jones isn't a conservative. he's a conspiratorial. >> juan: a lot of those people are conspiracy theorists and what we are experiencing in this country is a tremendous spike in hate crimes. >> greg: fake hate crimes. >> juan: most of it is coming from the right. >> greg: fake hate crimes are coming from the left. >> juan: to dana's point, you have to figure out how to manage it because there's one level at which you say it's an open platform. everyone has the right to say anything they want to say but when it's used to perpetuate hate, bullying, misogyny, anti-semitism, as you point out by louis farrakhan. i think they do have some responsibility. to say it's wrong. >> morgan: jack dorsey should be asked about louis farrakhan every single time anyone interviews him. it's the most egregious. something else twitter has done is it's taken the veil off the objectivity of reporters. when i logged on last-minute, political reporters taking the time to make fun of melania trump, the first lady's white house christmas decorations. i go on twitter just try to see what's breaking, what stories have been written and what my friends have written. it's one microcosm of an example. what are you doing as a political reporter making snarky comments about white house christmas decorations. no value to society. >> greg: isn't it good for us to see it? i think it's a positive thing. what you're saying is true but i would like to know what those guys are thinking to see what's behind them. they aren't telling you what they really think. >> morgan: twitter is the one social media platform where i go on and i get really angry. when i go on instagram, ic dana's dog and other friends dogs. kids. twitter has a value. there's no rules of engagement especially for people who are supposed to be unbiased. >> juan: you didn't know reporters are snarky? i can tell you. i have a snarky jerk. people who sit around and cover powerful figures. >> morgan: i am snarky too. i don't mind snarky. >> juan: that's the reality. when you look at something like, people talking about how people dress, who was at the party. this is what human beings do. >> greg: you know the one thing we don't talk about is how twitter operates under the illusion of being free. when in fact we are the product, right? they are advertising. it's based on our group, or followers. it costs us nothing to be on twitter and we think it's free but actually we are there product. it's kind of gross. >> jesse: and they are losing money because they haven't figured out a way to profit. >> greg: of global outrage follows a scientists new claims about designer babies. the controversy next. we're about to move. karate helps... relieve some of the house-buying... stress. at least you don't have to worry about homeowners insurance. call geico. geico... helps with... homeowners insurance? 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>> juan: in the polls, what you see is 80% of people say it's going too far. either it may be they are thinking in terms of eye color, i.q., that kind of stuff. >> morgan: which is a little creepy. >> juan: when you ask the question if it's helping a child that has an existing disease, people are much more open to it. it's the idea that you are going forward and saying this will make you resistant to something that may happen. >> jesse: i agree with the public sentiment on that except i think we need to get with the program. if the chinese are going to outpace us and this is a competitive world, juan, and they are pumping out designer babies that are winning gold medals at the olympics and inventing all these great things and they are going to mars and colonizing it, regular babies that are hitting their heads on the sofa. we have to get with the program. let's go, america. [laughter] >> juan: i thought you were a pro-american guy. i vaguely did pretty well at the olympics. >> jesse: if we need a leg up, we need a leg up. >> juan: i will keep that in mind. dana, with the supporters are saying is way back in the 1970s when we came up with the in vitro fertilization, everybody thought oh, my god. what's going on. >> dana: i went to a lecture three years ago about this issue and the debate centered for 45 minutes about people raising their hands saying that they think it's terrible. these were all americans. terrible, concerning, ethically a problem. what's going to happen to the gene pool? what about people who have disabilities. what will happen to them? the scientist from google site it's very interesting that the chinese have been doing this for years. this debate is over. the scientific development has happened already. i don't know if this has actually happened. there are doubts about this particular scientist but there is a race to get there. >> juan: greg, we don't know what happened to the twins. >> greg: this is why we have to look at this with cautious skepticism. a phrase i coined. but i am with, edit the hell out of these babies. if i had the technology and we were expecting, i would want the baby born without the crying and pooping all over the place gene genes. a baby that says hello, mama. thank you for having me. i'm just going to pop to the lo loo. a british accent, adorable, can use the bathroom. you skip all the bad stuff. manipulate the genes so you have a tiny british adult and a baby body was very polite and uses the bathroom. >> jesse: greg, you could make your baby tall. >> greg: why would i? maybe i would want him to stay that size forever. >> juan: you could make frankenstein. >> greg: you can make anything. >> juan: the researcher saving of this guy has success and made the babies more resistant to disease, we don't know what it does to future generations because we can't anticipate the consequences of the gene manipulation. >> greg: we would all want a child that doesn't get hiv and doesn't get cancer and all that other stuff. >> juan: we will see where it goes. >> greg: you know for one thing if this is possible, the rich are going to do it. >> dana: that was the other part of it, the debate was about the ethical piece of it in terms of the inequality. the rich will be able to afford this. >> greg: silicon valley are already doing this. >> juan: do you think the rich have benefited from all this plastic surgery? i don't think so. >> dana: asked jesse. [laughter] topol manipulate genes so you don't have to get plastic surgery. >> juan: i don't know but we talk about the economic inequality of gifts to use the dna manipulation but who gets to use plastic surgery, the rich. >> jesse: i would rather aspire to be rich enough to have a designer baby. >> morgan: did you see the movie idiocracy. the movie, it's a comedy all about how idiots outnumber the smart people because women like me, too old to have children. sorry, mom. >> dana: that's a thanksgiving discussion. >> juan: chick-fil-a firing back at a campus crusade against the restaurant chain. details are ahead right here in "the five" ." alright, i brought in ensure max protein... ...to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. 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>> juan: i like popeyes. >> greg: it's pretty good. this conversation is interesting because -- >> juan: the head of chick-fil-a wants it both ways. he says he is a devout christian and he has a biblical interpretation when it comes to lgbtq. in fact, they close on sundays because. >> morgan: it's the most annoying thing. i always want chick-fil-a on sundays. >> juan: if someone says hey, this is what boston has said, the city of boston so they weren't going to allow him. the city of pittsburgh says we don't want you to sponsor -- what we you -- >> morgan: i don't see the ceo coming out. the controversy that he donated to traditional marriage causes, 2013. what i see is a very well-run company where people are incredibly happy to work they are. when i go to chick-fil-a, all races. >> dana: great service. you don't think students at hillsdale college are saying we don't want any of these other companies to come because they donated to nancy pelosi. it doesn't happen the other way. david brooks this morning in "the new york times" talking about the difference between the new progressives, younger progressives are quite militant. it's frustrating i imagine. we see it here with juan, pulling your hair out because you believe in the first amendment. people's free rights, civility, these things but the younger people, they don't think that way. >> jesse: a great column in the times. >> morgan: the first argument i hear is that when you start talking about chick-fil-a, people bring it back to the people who fake cakes and they don't want to bake for a gay couple and they conflate the issues. you have plenty of private ceos who have their own opinions about political issues. >> jesse: i think the students wanted because it's cheap and tasty. the administration didn't want it because it's gauche and they don't want to put on weight because they are old. if you are older than 50, you can't eat chick-fil-a. they are trying to deprive their own student body of unhealthy fried chicken because they don't think it's very cool to say to their friends by a has chick-fil-a. it's about p.r. for these peopl people. >> morgan: what else do you think -- what other food groups. >> greg: jesse should have a show called "jesse's generalizations." to dana's point, it's the militant voices. you don't need very many. you need four or five militant voices to file company or college with fear. they are targeting us. what can we do? this goes back to the point i made that if we all shared the risk, they can't get us all. if everybody says you can't scare us. you can yell at us. we are still going to have chick-fil-a. the problem is, colleges are the weakest. they don't want any trouble. you see this in h.r. as well. p.r. they get scared. they see something on twitter, they freak out. in chicago, rahm emanuel. i will never have chick-fil-a here while people are dying in the streets. talk about priorities. >> jesse: they didn't want this p.r. i think it backfired. where is the chick-fil-a, producers? >> morgan: we need some sweet tea. >> juan: we had a birthday today here at "the five" ." chick-fil-a shakes. >> morgan: "one more thing" is up next. helped put a roof over the heads of hundreds of families, he's most proud of the one he's kept over his own. brand vo: get paid twice as fast with quickbooks smart invoicing. quickbooks. backing you. we were talking about the model t. now here we are talking about winning the most jd power iqs and appeal awards. talking about driver-assist technology talking about cars that talk and listen. talking about the highest customer loyalty in the country. but that's enough talking. seriously. that was a lot of talking. back to building ♪ that was a lot of talking. ♪ the united states postal service makes more holiday deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. ♪ with one notable exception. ♪ essential for pine trees, but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr. a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. don't start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. tears in the stomach or intestines, low blood cell counts and higher liver tests and cholesterol levels have happened. your doctor should perform blood tests before you start and while taking xeljanz xr, and monitor certain liver tests. tell your doctor if you were in a region where fungal infections are common and if you have had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. needles. fine for some things. but for you, one pill a day may provide symptom relief. ask your doctor about xeljanz xr. an "unjection™". so a and as if thatyour brwasn't bad enough,tals it. now your insurance won't replace it outright because of depreciation. if your insurance won't replace your car, what good is it? 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>> dana: three that i mentioned. >> greg: tomorrow is the premier of the fox nation show "one smart person and greg gutfeld." you're not got to check it outs great to come, 4:00 p.m. it's not not scott adams. time for this. animals are great. you know animals are great, especially a french bulldog who sings along with his rubber ducky. check this out. look at that. he gets on it, gets the sound and sings along with it. i don't know about you but when i look at that, it makes me think one thought. you know what that thought is? animals are great. animals are great. >> juan: talk about free thinking oh, my goodness. a week after fires burned down much of paradise california, the local high school teams return to the basketball court yesterday, both the boys & girls club team played their rival, neighboring chico high school. the boys won, the girls team lost but the big story came before tip-off, both teams stood together holding hands. the deadliest american fire in a century killed at least 88 people, every girls on the paradise team with one exception lost her home. more than 200 people still missing. all the proceeds from the game are being donated to paradise high school athletics. >> morgan: this thanksgiving weekend we were able to celebrate my grandmother's 80th birthday. we hired a hair and makeup artist, i think she looks amazing for 80. she is watching now, she's going to be embarrassed. that's me and my granny, we are celebrating her birthday this week. i just want to say granny, this is our whole family, i love you more than anything in the world. happy 80th birthday, i'm tearing up now. >> dana: grandmothers are so special. >> greg: she looks like one of those designer babies. babies. if >> dana: never miss an episode of "the five" ." "special report" is up next. >> bret: granny's a hottie. president trump shows his anger at general motors, republicans try to clinch the last senate seat available in the midterm elections and three american service members die in a bombing in afghanistan. what is next in afghanistan? this is "special report" ." ♪ good evening, welcome to washington, i'm bret baier. president trump is fuming over the announcement of general motors that it will cut jobs and close f
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