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mean it. car stereo blowout blitz. communications on sale now! crazy eddie prices are insane! >> like i said, his prices are insane! starting in 1975 and running through the end of the 1980s, there were more than 7,000 of these various, deliberately manic screaming crazy eddie ads. they all end with that tag line, his prices are insane! the guy who actually appears in those ads was not crazy. he was an actor. there was a real crazy eddie. there was a real crazy guy named eddie running the company. his name was eddie antar. i think it's fair to call him crazy not just because of the name of his business but because eddie and his cousin cooked the books at that company really terribly. they ripped off something like $100 million in cash out of that company. crazy eddie, according to court documents, he would tape wads of cash all over his body and then fly overseas and stash the money he was stealing from the company in cash in all sorts of various foreign hidey holes. they were ripping tens of millions of dollars out of the crazy eddie stores for years. in the end, the worst thing about it for crazy eddie himself, when they got found out, when their scheme was uncovered, when they got caught, eddie fled the country but his cousin did not. the cousin with whom he had been stealing all the money, the cousin stayed behind and the cousin ultimately went state evidence against crazy eddie. he also found time to do this crazy eddie's crazy cousin interview on cnbc. >> it was one of the most successful electronic chains in the u.s. >> blowout prices are insane! >> crazy eddie, controlled by the brash eddie antar dominated the market. but there was a dark side. >> built on deceit. >> behind the scenes, eddie's cousin sam antar was cooking the books. >> what i did was pure evil. i'm probably going to fry in hell for many years before i get upstairs. >> they scammed shareholders more than $100 million. eddie fled with the cash. sam turn's state's witness. >> you turned around and turned on your family? >> yes. i put them all in jail. >> he did put them all in jail, including crazy eddie himself, his cousin, who got seven years in the pokie. now, speaking of pokey, stick a pen in that for a second. you know how donald trump's sister is a federal judge -- it hasn't really been a big point of discussion in this campaign but his sister is a federal judge. it came up a little bit during the republican primaries. he asked who he wanted to put on the supreme court and the first name suggested was his sister and then we all had to check to see if he was joking. he said he was joking. but his older sister is a well-regarded moderate federal judge on the circuit court of appeals. donald trump's sister, the federal judge, was married to the man who was the lawyer for crazy eddie all through the crazy, crazy eddie scandal. his name was john barry. he did white collar defense and corporate litigation. he's passed away now. but he was crazy eddie's lawyer through the wads of cash, taped to crazy eddie's body and the cousin narking them out and the whole thing. crazy eddie's lawyer was married to donald trump's sister. crazy eddie's lawyer was also donald trump's personal lawyer for years. and on top of all of that, john barry was also the lawyer that is freaking out the party right now. new jersey is one of those states that holds its statewide elections in off years. their race was not in 2012. it was in 2013. the next one will be in the fall of 2017. they hold their statewide elections in odd number of years. new jersey has been that way for a long time. virginia is the same way. there aren't many states who do that. one of the consequences of being an off-year election state is when they elect their governor in these weird, odd numbered years, they don't have a lot of competition for attention, right? there are not a lot of big ticket races going on to compete for everybody's dollars and the national parties to get involved. just by virtue of the weird schedule. they can get a bunch of national attention and that's what happened in 1981. so in context, that was a year after ronald reagan was elected to the presidency in 1980. the year after that, november of 1981, new jersey had its governor's race. and in that governor's race in 1981, the national republican party newly energized from that huge win with reagan and how they took the seats in congress and the senate, republican party decided they had another shot to go for another big race and they decided to basically flood the zone in that new jersey governor's race in 1981. the republicans flew in national political operatives. they launched this very aggressive scheme where they challenged the registration of thousands of new jersey voters who turned up to the polls in newark, camden and trenton. and in about 75 minority heavy precincts across new jersey that year in that race, they put up these four-foot tall warning signs. when i first saw images of these signs online and in old newspaper articles and stuff, i thought these were like flyers and the piece of a paper and put them on telephone poles or something. they were sandwich board posters, four-foot tall signs that they put outside of polling areas saying, warning, this area is being patrolled by the national ballot security task force. it's a crime to violate election laws. and they were not bluffing. the rnc did actually invent something called a ballot security task force and put these guys on patrol in minority heavy precincts. it's interesting. nobody had advanced warning that they are coming. they just showed up on election day and nobody knew to expect it. they had off-duty police officers and sheriff deputies carrying walkie-talkies wearing ballot security task force arm bands. many were openly carrying guns and they stalked around polling places in minority-heavy districts while they demanded that election workers strike these people off the election rolls. >> several of these signs were reported at polling places at newark's fourth ward. poll watchers, some of them off-duty policemen wearing guns and arm bands were also near the polls as part of the task force set up by the republican and national state committees to guard against fraud but democrats charge it was a scare campaign to intimidate voters primarily in minority neighborhoods. >> yeah, you think? who knows how many people were blocked or intimidated from voting in that election in new jersey in 1981. but as voter suppression schemes go, this one clearly worked. both parties would claim that it definitely worked. there were 3 million votes cast in that governor's race. it was decided by less than 1800 votes. and the republican won. and then the democrats sued. the democrats sued the republican party over this ballot security task force stunt. and you know who the republicans used as their lawyer to defend them in that case? donald trump's brother-in-law. the crazy eddie guy who was married to donald trump's sister. he was the lawyer for the republican party in that case in new jersey. and he got creamed in court. i mean, the damage was already done in terms of that governor's race. the republicans won that election by this many votes, right? and the democrats weren't going to be able to get that election back. but what the democrats did get was something called a consent decree, which bans the republican national committee from doing this kind of thing again, from doing anything like this, that problem hib bits them from being involved in any poll-watching shenanigans that targets minority voters. and now today, in 2016, now the snake starts eating its own tail. in 2016, it's not donald trump's brother-in-law, it's now donald trump who is losing that exact case all over again for the republican national committee. >> go down to certain areas and watch and study and make sure other people don't come in and vote five times. >> so important that you watch other communities because we don't want this election stolen from us. >> so go and vote and then go check out areas because a lot of bad things happen. >> when i say watch, you know what i'm talking about, right? you know what i'm talking about. >> take a look at philadelphia, what's been going on. take a look at chicago, take a look at st. louis. >> every time he says that, you can go ahead and picture reince priebus hiding under a desk, because that's a really dangerous path for the republican party to be on legally. the republican party is still bound by that consent decree from that case in 1981. that case that was lost by donald trump's brother-in-law on behalf of the republican party. because of that case, the republican party has promised they are legally bound to not do the kind of racially charged poll watching they got caught doing back in the battle days in new jersey in 1981. they've promised not to do it. they are legally bound not to do it through the end of that consent decree and that consent decree was put in place by one way or another since the early 1980s. it is finally set to expire next year. in 2017. the republican party would desperately like to get out from under that consent decree that they have been under since the 1980s but they will not get out from under it if they get caught violating it. they won't get out from under it if they get caught doing racially charged, racially targeted poll watching again like they used to do and that they got caught for. they will not get out from that consent decree if they actually do what donald trump is now asking all republicans to go do now on his behalf. >> go down to certain areas and watch. >> watch other communities. >> go check out areas. >> when i say watch, you know what i'm talking about, right? you know what i'm talking about. >> take a look at philadelphia, chicago, st. louis. >> or don't. or don't. or don't. thanks to that old case, lost by donald trump's brother-in-law in the early '80s, one of this year's more unexpected freakouts within the republican party is now officially under way. the republican party has issued a special request to all rnc members to please not do what donald trump is asking them to do, to please not gather around polling places in philadelphia and st. louis and chicago or anywhere no matter what the republican presidential candidate is saying on the stump. the national party sent a whole -- the whole rnc a memo to, quote, remind you of the restrictions placed on the rnc by the consent decree. quote, you are encouraged not to engage in ballot security activities even in your personal state party or campaign capacity if you elect to do so, please be aware that the rnc in no way sanctions your activity. i mean, right now, as it stands, the republican party is legally bound to not do any racially specific poll watching through next year, through 2017. if they get caught doing it, though, the consent decree gets extended until 2025. and the republican party does not want that. they really do not want that. crazy eddie's lawyer is now long gone. but it is kind of amazing that it is now his brother-in-law, the republican nominee for president this year who's the one screwing up that big case, that john barry lost for the republican party back in the '80s. i mean, in the waning days of these elections, in the last two weeks, donald trump is telling his supporters that he doesn't trust the polls anymore and neither should they. he tweeted this this morning. we have not edited this in any way. see if you can figure out why i'm saying this. "major story that the dems are making up phony polls in order to suppress the the trump. we are going to win." democrats are making up phony polls to suppress the the trump. is that the the so? anything could happen. election day may be a hulla-ba-loo. if they do go try to have a task force or what have you, anything could happen. but right now, "the new york times" probability that the the trump will lose this election is 93%. the 538 probability is more conservative. they put it at 86%. those are pretty high numbers. it may be that the actual drama in this case is moving down. 538 says there's a 74% chance. the democrats are going to take the senate. new york times puts that probability slightly lower at 67%. because of those kind of numbers, democrats are thinking about long term, right? democrats are thinking about how they can make this a big win for the democratic party beyond winning the white house for hillary clinton. we've got a bunch of interesting reporting on that subject still ahead tonight, including one race that the democrats are really screwing up. on the other side of the aisle, though, republicans are also thinking long term. republicans are looking at donald trump and thinking about what else it is that they have to lose this year besides the presidency. the republicans basically know now that picking donald trump to be their presidential nominee has almost certainly cost them the white house. what they have to worry about now is whether that's it, whether the price of choosing donald trump might actually be sort of insane. we've got more ahead tonight. stay with us. his prices are insane. hit me, hit me. ha, ha. whenou he cold, you just want powerful rief. ly new alkseltzer plus fr oarfici dyes d presvative liquid gels delive towerful co symptomelief you needithout thennecessa dives you don't. store manager: cln up, aie alkaeltzer plus liquidels. on this show a couple of days ago. i'll correct it this evening. there's something that i think the democratic party is currently getting very, very wrong but in that case i have no expectation that they will correct it because i don't think they think that they are wrong. but i do. and that story is next. ♪ ing 60,000 points from my chase ink card i boug allhe frark... wire... and plants needed to give my sh... a face... neededno oneill forget. e what the power of poin can do forour business. learn more at chase.com/in e t the best place toren castart is in the forest. ku: i y somethin beginnin" e t the best place toren castarbeetle: snow.orest. kubo: . etle: snow covered trees. monkey: nothing to do with snow. narrator: head outside to discoverncredible animals and beautifuplants that come together narratorto can outside to diunfoettae adnture.imals kubo: wow! and beautifuplants that come together narrator: so grab your loved ones monkey: n't even. narratorand explore a world of possibilities. ku: comen, this way. narrator: visit discoverthorest.org to find the closes forest or park to you. he thinks that because he has money, that he can call women fat pigs and bimbos. he thinks that because he's a celebrity that he can rate women's bodies from 1 to 10. he thinks that because he has a mouthful of tic-tacs he can grope any woman within groping distance. i've got news for you, donald trump, women have had it with guys like you. [cheers and applause ] >> and nasty women have really had it with guys like you. yeah. and get this, donald, nasty women are tough. nasty women are smart and nasty women vote. and on november 8th, we nasty women are going to march our nasty feet to cast our nasty votes to get you out of our lives forever. >> elizabeth warren i think coining nasty feet for the first time in political history. we keep saying things are unprecedented and then we keep saying, oh, yeah, in the 1860s. i think nasty feet is first. i think that was a first. elizabeth warren on the campaign trail with hillary clinton. this is the first time they have campaigned together in the same place since the democratic convention. as you saw there, elizabeth warren scorched donald trump but she saved some of her other best bolts for one of the senate colleagues for kelly ayotte of new hampshire who is up for re-election who may not survive. >> donald trump, call latinos rapists and murderers, trump stayed with him. trump called them thugs and kelly stuck with them. trump attacked a gold star family and kelly struck with him. trump even attacked kelly ayotte and called her weak. and kelly stuck with him. >> i mentioned at the top of the show that the chances of the democratic party taking control of the senate are pretty good right now. that's 67% from "the new york times," the highest probability "the times" has put on that yet all year long. and that is just one number for an overall probability that the democrats will win control of the senate. but it's not just one election, right? taking the senate doesn't happen in one fell swoop, it happens race by race and candidate by candidate. that's why the top campaign events now sound like this. >> marco rubio said donald trump is a con man and donald trump is dangerous. therefore, i support -- whoa, whoa, whoa. wait a minute. how can that work? if he won't stand up against donald trump and there are plenty of republican who is are standing up against donald trump and calling him out. marco rubio won't. and patrick murphy will be a great u.s. senator. >> tim kaine taking some shots at republican senator marco rubio who is up for re-election in florida. senator kaine there also talking up the democratic candidate in that race, congressman patrick murphy. and you would think things would be going reasonably well for patrick murphy right now. the polls have definitely tightened in that race. the latest poll in florida shows him within two points of marco rubio. last week, patrick murphy got the endorsement of marco rubio's hometown paper, the miami herald. he's been endorsed by all four of florida's largest newspapers, three of which backed marco rubio when he first ran for the senate. also, the prevailing climate looks good for democrats in florida. hillary clinton leading trump by about four points at the top of the ticket. democrats running a huge ground operation in that state. and so, mystery, here's the mystery. why is the democratic party just pulled its money out of the senate race? last week, the campaign arm of the senate democrats canceled millions of dollars of florida ads they were going to run against marco rubio and for patrick murphy. that followed by a couple of weeks the biggest democratic super pac doing the same thing. why is that? i mean, i know that the democrats have to make choices. i get that, obviously. democrats want to win as many seats as possible advertising florida as expensive. the amount of money it takes to advertise a week in florida, you could spend the same amount of money and advertise in two or three cheaper states, states like north carolina or missouri. the timing and strategy of this is still weird. florida would really appear to be a winnable race for the dems. these are the last three polls. they've either shown a tie or it's within two points. early voting has started in most florida counties. democrats are psyched with where they are. they believe they are ahead of where they were four years ago when romney beat obama in florida. the latino vote in florida is up, oh, i don't know, 99%, from this same point in the race four years ago. 99% increase in the latino vote. how do you think donald trump's going to do with the latino vote? by all objective measures, marco rubio would appear to be beatable in florida in a race which could determine control. he got shellacked there in the presidential primary. now, he's going to win there while donald trump likely loses the state? really? why are democrats giving up on this race? does it make sense? joining us now is steve, former state director for the 2008 obama campaign in florida and senior adviser in 2012, now a democratic strategist. mr. shell, it's really nice to have you here. >> thanks for having me on, rachel. >> do you think -- i mean, first of all, am i describing the democratic calculus here right, that it's so expensive to spend money in florida that maybe you're better off spending that money in the same states in is that basically the map that they are doing here or have they got other factors? >> they viewed this very anti-septically. the reality is, patrick murphy shouldn't be standing and i think they were right in september when down 7 or 8 points to slow walk the race. but the last four polls have shown even two and down one in two polls and down in another. we're basically in a dead heat. 14 days out, it's like it was and i don't understand the decision at this point. >> well, and is this the sort of thing where in these last two weeks money from the democratic party is what he needs? obviously you think that he's in shooting distance but in terms of what he needs to do to win, would tv ads and radio ads be the sort of thing that would make the difference here? >> yeah, absolutely. there's an old saying in florida that the win state you have to lose statewide and it comes from name i.d. or without money. murphy really shouldn't be standing. he's out 4-1 since the primary but he is. and what he needs is help with hispanics, which the president has cut an ad in spanish for him and needs help with name i.d. and the i-4 corridor. places li places like tampa and orlando and i think with the clinton turnout operation, today the early vote numbers and major i-4 counties are phenomenal for us. i mean, really almost shockingly good. i think he's right in this thing. >> in terms of the more personal picture here, it's also not that it's just any senator. it's marco rubio. >> yeah. >> and i wonder, within florida, having been beaten so badly in his home state primary, i mean, he lost the republican presidential primary badly but he really lost at home, what's marco rubio standing in the state and what are his long-term prospects as a politician coming from florida right now? >> well, i think there's two ways to look at it. first of all, if you look at our u.s. senate races, in the same term as presidential elections, our democratic nominees are usually within a point or two of the top of the ticket. the only exception is bill nelson who outperformed president obama in 2012. marco rubio is no bill nelson. he didn't get a majority of the year when he ran and, you know, we go into this thing and republicans acknowledge it's a race at this point and, again, i don't really want to have this conversation with you in 2019 and say, wow, if we had only spent 4, 5 million more, we could have taken him out when we had the chance. senior adviser, 2012, democratic strategist, steve, thanks for being with us. nice to see you. >> thanks again, rachel. >> all right. still ahead, some surprising and slightly nauseating news from a person who i think is the most surprising senate candidate of the year. that's ahead. stay with us. miles per ho. to wboth on the track matters. d thousands of miles away. wi t help of at&t, red bull racing can sha critical information about every inbrakes a gettingarm.tually anywhere. coirmed, daniel you need to cool your brakes. vi tm the agility to hek 2ally spee& precisn. becae no one knows & l at&t. 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[ laughter ] cool. >> he's pouring like fish bowls full of red wine there. the key to a happy retirement, everybody says, is to keep busy. now that john boehner has escaped washington and floor votes and object stin nant caucus goers, he can drink wine and take care of his lawn. also, hitting the open road in his rv on his youtube channel he says he's out in freedom one in this clip, that's the name of his rv, freedom one. he says he's, quote, somewhere upon america's asphalt prairie. retirement looks different for everybody, right? president obama is about to have his own political retirement, forcibly thrust upon him as of late january. we've now got word that his retirement is apparently going to involve a lot more politics than what john boehner has been doing. we've got some of that reporting ahead. stay with us. have fun with your replaced win. run away! [ grunts ] leave hi leaim! [ music continues ] brick and ar, what?! 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redrawing congressional districts along party lines feels flat-out wrong but it is, in most cases, how the system is built and republicans really did pull off this amazing trick in 2010 with very little money and no hoopla and republicans have had nothing equivalent to this in their toolbox. after president obama won in 2008, republicans mobilized this little thing, they were able to mastermind it and execute this plan. it was political genius. mr. jankowski, welcome to genius week. i think you were a genius. president obama has 87 days last in office. he's almost done. we have now learned a little bit about what he's going to do next after leaving office. and so, behold, the national democratic redistricting committee. he's going to be focused on redistricting reform for democrats. they are going to organize initiatives and legal challenges to redistricting maps and push for democrats winning in down-ticket races. president obama's former attorney general eric holder is going to chair the group and president obama has decided he wants this to be the main political focus of his post-presidency life. redistricting. what a better time to start than now. and as of right now, president obama is taking his first presidential jab at those key down-ticket races. he's doing something he's never done before. this week, president obama is endorsing 150 candidates for state senate and senate assembly across 20 different states. he specifically is targeting state candidates who win might flip a state legislature. this is a huge effort. this is something that president obama has never done. it's something no president has ever done. but what does this mean for democrats down-ticket in this election cycle and in election cycles to come? is this a good answer which republicans did so effectively after president obama was first elected in 2008? how effective will this be? joining us now, steve kornacki, host of the 4:00 p.m. hour here on msnbc and an all-around smart man. >> how you doing? >> president obama is -- am i right to say that president obama is doing something that presidents otherwise haven't done? we've never seen this kind of an effort systematically. >> yeah. we've entered into a new era. it's on people's radar in a way it hasn't been before. it's a strategy and on the minds of democrats and they feel they need to do something. there's a structural component of this, too, where republicans can come up with a plan they came up with and they are sort of running downhill. they are at an advantage when you start talking about redistricting, when you start talking about congressional district lines or state legislative lines. this is the legacy of the obama era, how the two political coalitions have evolved. the democratic coalition right now probably has the numbers to win a national election. you talk about it all the time. it's young people, single women in particular, nonwhite voters, white collared professionals. those people more and more ever are packed more and more tightly into cities in metropolitan areas. the geographic reach, if you're talking about square miles, if you're talking about land mass, area, the geographic reach arguably has never been smaller. so the numbers are there but they are increasingly packed into smaller and smaller -- really into smaller numbers of districts. >> uh-huh. >> it's much easier, if you're a republican and want to draw lines to give yourself control of the state legislature or congressional map, it's much easier to do that because you don't have -- your voters aren't -- in these rural areas, you might not have 90% but you've got 60%. democrats are sitting on 90% in a lot of -- here's the stat that i think explains the evolution of politics better than anything else. go back to 1988. michael dukakis got wiped out in a landslide loss. a solved victory for barack obama. he wins 690 counties. the gentlemen graphic share shrinks that much that in a big win they lost ground. >> if em democrats don't want to concede, that geographic is destiny. if they want to roll that stone up that hill, is this the way to do it, to try to be strategic about winnable seats, to try to flip legislatures in a way that's advantageous? >> absolutely. it's a longer-term question and the best news for democrats on that front is, look, in 2010, which is the legislatures that were seated is a result of the 2010 election. it was an off-year election and a mid--term election with a democratic president. this is a democratic president. that recipe is the best thing republicans could ever hope for. . the next time that's going to happen, 2020, not a mid-term year. they have maybe more of an opportunity in 2020 than in 2010. >> and maybe by starting it in 2016 they'll get their training wheels on. >> exactly. >> lots more to come, stay with us. and i could take him behind the gym, that's what i wish. >> i westeish we were in high sl and i could take him behind the gym. apology presumably coming from the vice president's office in three, two -- let's check it. for saying on friday that he wishes he could take donald trump out behind the gym and teach him a lesson, joe biden would soon issue an apology. was that true or was that false? very false. not only did vice president joe biden not apologize for saying that, he said it again today in toledo, ohio. >> i'll get myself in trouble and say something like i'd like to take him behind the gym if i were in high school. all kiddin' aside, wouldn't you? i mean, for real. can you imagine a guy in the locker room talking that way and your sister's out there watching the game? not a joke. if i were in high school. i want to make it clear. i understand what assault is. i'm not in high school. if i were in high school. i ued to be, i used to have a temper in high school. i don't have a temper anymore. i don't ever, nothing ever bother the me. look, folks. i get it, no. no. >> vice president clearly working it today, restraining himself, having a little fun, but in no way apologizing for saying that he wants to take donald trump behind the gym to teach him a lesson. our playfully pugilistic vice president. i was very wrong about that. we don't know who the next vice president will be. but tomorrow night we will have a chance on this show to get a really close look at the leading contender. democratic vice president nominee tim kaine will be joining us exclusively here in studio. senator kae eoe eor kaine has b before, but we've not talked to him since he's running for vp. i'm very much looking forward to that. that's tomorrow night. stay with us. ♪ using 60,000 ps fr my cse ink card i bought all the framework... wire.. and ts a face... no one wilforget. learn more at chase.com/in no one wilforget. esurance does auto insurance a smdiscnt.. they offer a claime beuse ferivers cost less to iure, which saves mey. and when they save, you save. th's auto home inscefor the mod. esurance, an allstate company. ance does auto insurance a smarter way. like tir photoims ol. hpsete your claim quy, whh sas timewhh ves money.d when they save, you sav. that'suto and home insuran r thmodern world. esurance, an allstate company. ick or cal from the creatve galaxy in my idea box would yohelp me make a ♪ each one of our journeys ♪eeps us youn y, i have an idea! ♪ wear: go be amazngder... amazing! announcer: give your caboard box another life. trust number oneoctor recommended lcolax constipated? use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for reef in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard odulcolax, desied for dependable rie we've been keeping track here at the show of newspaper endorsements in the presidential race. it's been a weird year for that. the names listed on the left are a selection of hillary clinton's formal daily newspaper endorsements. she has a lot of them. the last time we reported on trump endorsements, he had three, one each from tiny papers in santa barbara, california, waxahachie daily light in texas. you guys have been super helpful at tracking these endorsements, particularly, when they're really tiny papers. send us tips, please. it's been very helpful. tonight thanks to you guys we can add the times gazette. there's also for the first time, a big one. shelton adeleson, a big league republican donor, funded the gingrich campaign all by himself in 2012. this winter, when a paper got a mystery owner, it was the las vegas review journal's own staff who was forced to ferret out their own owner. that was sheldon adeleson. it's not at all weird for super rich people to give money to political candidates nor weird for them to buy newspapers. it was weird that he tried to buy and run a newspaper anonymously, but his reporting staff caught him. he went into this election cycle planning to donate $100 million

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there were more than 7,000 of these various, deliberately manic screaming crazy eddie ads. they all end with that tag line, his prices are insane! the guy who actually appears in those ads was not crazy. he was an actor. there was a real crazy eddie. there was a real crazy guy named eddie running the company. his name was eddie antar. i think it's fair to call him crazy not just because of the name of his business but because eddie and his cousin cooked the books at that company really terribly. they ripped off something like $100 million in cash out of that company. crazy eddie, according to court documents, he would tape wads of cash all over his body and then fly overseas and stash the money he was stealing from the company in cash in all sorts of various foreign hidey holes. they were ripping tens of millions of dollars out of the crazy eddie stores for years. in the end, the worst thing about it for crazy eddie himself, when they got found out, when their scheme was uncovered, when they got caught, eddie fled the country but his cousin did not. the cousin with whom he had been stealing all the money, the cousin stayed behind and the cousin ultimately went state evidence against crazy eddie. he also found time to do this crazy eddie's crazy cousin interview on cnbc. >> it was one of the most successful electronic chains in the u.s. >> blowout prices are insane! >> crazy eddie, controlled by the brash eddie antar dominated the market. but there was a dark side. >> built on deceit. >> behind the scenes, eddie's cousin sam antar was cooking the books. >> what i did was pure evil. i'm probably going to fry in hell for many years before i get upstairs. >> they scammed shareholders more than $100 million. eddie fled with the cash. sam turn's state's witness. >> you turned around and turned on your family? >> yes. i put them all in jail. >> he did put them all in jail, including crazy eddie himself, his cousin, who got seven years in the pokie. now, speaking of pokey, stick a pen in that for a second. you know how donald trump's sister is a federal judge -- it hasn't really been a big point of discussion in this campaign but his sister is a federal judge. it came up a little bit during the republican primaries. he asked who he wanted to put on the supreme court and the first name suggested was his sister and then we all had to check to see if he was joking. he said he was joking. but his older sister is a well-regarded moderate federal judge on the circuit court of appeals. donald trump's sister, the federal judge, was married to the man who was the lawyer for crazy eddie all through the crazy, crazy eddie scandal. his name was john barry. he did white collar defense and corporate litigation. he's passed away now. but he was crazy eddie's lawyer through the wads of cash, taped to crazy eddie's body and the cousin narking them out and the whole thing. crazy eddie's lawyer was married to donald trump's sister. crazy eddie's lawyer was also donald trump's personal lawyer for years. and on top of all of that, john barry was also the lawyer that is freaking out the party right now. new jersey is one of those states that holds its statewide elections in off years. their race was not in 2012. it was in 2013. the next one will be in the fall of 2017. they hold their statewide elections in odd number of years. new jersey has been that way for a long time. virginia is the same way. there aren't many states who do that. one of the consequences of being an off-year election state is when they elect their governor in these weird, odd numbered years, they don't have a lot of competition for attention, right? there are not a lot of big ticket races going on to compete for everybody's dollars and the national parties to get involved. just by virtue of the weird schedule. they can get a bunch of national attention and that's what happened in 1981. so in context, that was a year after ronald reagan was elected to the presidency in 1980. the year after that, november of 1981, new jersey had its governor's race. and in that governor's race in 1981, the national republican party newly energized from that huge win with reagan and how they took the seats in congress and the senate, republican party decided they had another shot to go for another big race and they decided to basically flood the zone in that new jersey governor's race in 1981. the republicans flew in national political operatives. they launched this very aggressive scheme where they challenged the registration of thousands of new jersey voters who turned up to the polls in newark, camden and trenton. and in about 75 minority heavy precincts across new jersey that year in that race, they put up these four-foot tall warning signs. when i first saw images of these signs online and in old newspaper articles and stuff, i thought these were like flyers and the piece of a paper and put them on telephone poles or something. they were sandwich board posters, four-foot tall signs that they put outside of polling areas saying, warning, this area is being patrolled by the national ballot security task force. it's a crime to violate election laws. and they were not bluffing. the rnc did actually invent something called a ballot security task force and put these guys on patrol in minority heavy precincts. it's interesting. nobody had advanced warning that they are coming. they just showed up on election day and nobody knew to expect it. they had off-duty police officers and sheriff deputies carrying walkie-talkies wearing ballot security task force arm bands. many were openly carrying guns and they stalked around polling places in minority-heavy districts while they demanded that election workers strike these people off the election rolls. >> several of these signs were reported at polling places at newark's fourth ward. poll watchers, some of them off-duty policemen wearing guns and arm bands were also near the polls as part of the task force set up by the republican and national state committees to guard against fraud but democrats charge it was a scare campaign to intimidate voters primarily in minority neighborhoods. >> yeah, you think? who knows how many people were blocked or intimidated from voting in that election in new jersey in 1981. but as voter suppression schemes go, this one clearly worked. both parties would claim that it definitely worked. there were 3 million votes cast in that governor's race. it was decided by less than 1800 votes. and the republican won. and then the democrats sued. the democrats sued the republican party over this ballot security task force stunt. and you know who the republicans used as their lawyer to defend them in that case? donald trump's brother-in-law. the crazy eddie guy who was married to donald trump's sister. he was the lawyer for the republican party in that case in new jersey. and he got creamed in court. i mean, the damage was already done in terms of that governor's race. the republicans won that election by this many votes, right? and the democrats weren't going to be able to get that election back. but what the democrats did get was something called a consent decree, which bans the republican national committee from doing this kind of thing again, from doing anything like this, that problem hib bits them from being involved in any poll-watching shenanigans that targets minority voters. and now today, in 2016, now the snake starts eating its own tail. in 2016, it's not donald trump's brother-in-law, it's now donald trump who is losing that exact case all over again for the republican national committee. >> go down to certain areas and watch and study and make sure other people don't come in and vote five times. >> so important that you watch other communities because we don't want this election stolen from us. >> so go and vote and then go check out areas because a lot of bad things happen. >> when i say watch, you know what i'm talking about, right? you know what i'm talking about. >> take a look at philadelphia, what's been going on. take a look at chicago, take a look at st. louis. >> every time he says that, you can go ahead and picture reince priebus hiding under a desk, because that's a really dangerous path for the republican party to be on legally. the republican party is still bound by that consent decree from that case in 1981. that case that was lost by donald trump's brother-in-law on behalf of the republican party. because of that case, the republican party has promised they are legally bound to not do the kind of racially charged poll watching they got caught doing back in the battle days in new jersey in 1981. they've promised not to do it. they are legally bound not to do it through the end of that consent decree and that consent decree was put in place by one way or another since the early 1980s. it is finally set to expire next year. in 2017. the republican party would desperately like to get out from under that consent decree that they have been under since the 1980s but they will not get out from under it if they get caught violating it. they won't get out from under it if they get caught doing racially charged, racially targeted poll watching again like they used to do and that they got caught for. they will not get out from that consent decree if they actually do what donald trump is now asking all republicans to go do now on his behalf. >> go down to certain areas and watch. >> watch other communities. >> go check out areas. >> when i say watch, you know what i'm talking about, right? you know what i'm talking about. >> take a look at philadelphia, chicago, st. louis. >> or don't. or don't. or don't. thanks to that old case, lost by donald trump's brother-in-law in the early '80s, one of this year's more unexpected freakouts within the republican party is now officially under way. the republican party has issued a special request to all rnc members to please not do what donald trump is asking them to do, to please not gather around polling places in philadelphia and st. louis and chicago or anywhere no matter what the republican presidential candidate is saying on the stump. the national party sent a whole -- the whole rnc a memo to, quote, remind you of the restrictions placed on the rnc by the consent decree. quote, you are encouraged not to engage in ballot security activities even in your personal state party or campaign capacity if you elect to do so, please be aware that the rnc in no way sanctions your activity. i mean, right now, as it stands, the republican party is legally bound to not do any racially specific poll watching through next year, through 2017. if they get caught doing it, though, the consent decree gets extended until 2025. and the republican party does not want that. they really do not want that. crazy eddie's lawyer is now long gone. but it is kind of amazing that it is now his brother-in-law, the republican nominee for president this year who's the one screwing up that big case, that john barry lost for the republican party back in the '80s. i mean, in the waning days of these elections, in the last two weeks, donald trump is telling his supporters that he doesn't trust the polls anymore and neither should they. he tweeted this this morning. we have not edited this in any way. see if you can figure out why i'm saying this. "major story that the dems are making up phony polls in order to suppress the the trump. we are going to win." democrats are making up phony polls to suppress the the trump. is that the the so? anything could happen. election day may be a hulla-ba-loo. if they do go try to have a task force or what have you, anything could happen. but right now, "the new york times" probability that the the trump will lose this election is 93%. the 538 probability is more conservative. they put it at 86%. those are pretty high numbers. it may be that the actual drama in this case is moving down. 538 says there's a 74% chance. the democrats are going to take the senate. new york times puts that probability slightly lower at 67%. because of those kind of numbers, democrats are thinking about long term, right? democrats are thinking about how they can make this a big win for the democratic party beyond winning the white house for hillary clinton. we've got a bunch of interesting reporting on that subject still ahead tonight, including one race that the democrats are really screwing up. on the other side of the aisle, though, republicans are also thinking long term. republicans are looking at donald trump and thinking about what else it is that they have to lose this year besides the presidency. the republicans basically know now that picking donald trump to be their presidential nominee has almost certainly cost them the white house. what they have to worry about now is whether that's it, whether the price of choosing donald trump might actually be sort of insane. we've got more ahead tonight. stay with us. 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[cheers and applause ] >> and nasty women have really had it with guys like you. yeah. and get this, donald, nasty women are tough. nasty women are smart and nasty women vote. and on november 8th, we nasty women are going to march our nasty feet to cast our nasty votes to get you out of our lives forever. >> elizabeth warren i think coining nasty feet for the first time in political history. we keep saying things are unprecedented and then we keep saying, oh, yeah, in the 1860s. i think nasty feet is first. i think that was a first. elizabeth warren on the campaign trail with hillary clinton. this is the first time they have campaigned together in the same place since the democratic convention. as you saw there, elizabeth warren scorched donald trump but she saved some of her other best bolts for one of the senate colleagues for kelly ayotte of new hampshire who is up for re-election who may not survive. >> donald trump, call latinos rapists and murderers, trump stayed with him. trump called them thugs and kelly stuck with them. trump attacked a gold star family and kelly struck with him. trump even attacked kelly ayotte and called her weak. and kelly stuck with him. >> i mentioned at the top of the show that the chances of the democratic party taking control of the senate are pretty good right now. that's 67% from "the new york times," the highest probability "the times" has put on that yet all year long. and that is just one number for an overall probability that the democrats will win control of the senate. but it's not just one election, right? taking the senate doesn't happen in one fell swoop, it happens race by race and candidate by candidate. that's why the top campaign events now sound like this. >> marco rubio said donald trump is a con man and donald trump is dangerous. therefore, i support -- whoa, whoa, whoa. wait a minute. how can that work? if he won't stand up against donald trump and there are plenty of republican who is are standing up against donald trump and calling him out. marco rubio won't. and patrick murphy will be a great u.s. senator. >> tim kaine taking some shots at republican senator marco rubio who is up for re-election in florida. senator kaine there also talking up the democratic candidate in that race, congressman patrick murphy. and you would think things would be going reasonably well for patrick murphy right now. the polls have definitely tightened in that race. the latest poll in florida shows him within two points of marco rubio. last week, patrick murphy got the endorsement of marco rubio's hometown paper, the miami herald. he's been endorsed by all four of florida's largest newspapers, three of which backed marco rubio when he first ran for the senate. also, the prevailing climate looks good for democrats in florida. hillary clinton leading trump by about four points at the top of the ticket. democrats running a huge ground operation in that state. and so, mystery, here's the mystery. why is the democratic party just pulled its money out of the senate race? last week, the campaign arm of the senate democrats canceled millions of dollars of florida ads they were going to run against marco rubio and for patrick murphy. that followed by a couple of weeks the biggest democratic super pac doing the same thing. why is that? i mean, i know that the democrats have to make choices. i get that, obviously. democrats want to win as many seats as possible advertising florida as expensive. the amount of money it takes to advertise a week in florida, you could spend the same amount of money and advertise in two or three cheaper states, states like north carolina or missouri. the timing and strategy of this is still weird. florida would really appear to be a winnable race for the dems. these are the last three polls. they've either shown a tie or it's within two points. early voting has started in most florida counties. democrats are psyched with where they are. they believe they are ahead of where they were four years ago when romney beat obama in florida. the latino vote in florida is up, oh, i don't know, 99%, from this same point in the race four years ago. 99% increase in the latino vote. how do you think donald trump's going to do with the latino vote? by all objective measures, marco rubio would appear to be beatable in florida in a race which could determine control. he got shellacked there in the presidential primary. now, he's going to win there while donald trump likely loses the state? really? why are democrats giving up on this race? does it make sense? joining us now is steve, former state director for the 2008 obama campaign in florida and senior adviser in 2012, now a democratic strategist. mr. shell, it's really nice to have you here. >> thanks for having me on, rachel. >> do you think -- i mean, first of all, am i describing the democratic calculus here right, that it's so expensive to spend money in florida that maybe you're better off spending that money in the same states in is that basically the map that they are doing here or have they got other factors? >> they viewed this very anti-septically. the reality is, patrick murphy shouldn't be standing and i think they were right in september when down 7 or 8 points to slow walk the race. but the last four polls have shown even two and down one in two polls and down in another. we're basically in a dead heat. 14 days out, it's like it was and i don't understand the decision at this point. >> well, and is this the st of thing where in these last two weeks money from the democratic party is what he needs? obviously you think that he's in shooting distance but in terms of what he needs to do to win, would tv ads and radio ads be the sort of thing that would make the difference here? >> yeah, absolutely. there's an old saying in florida that the win state you have to lose statewide and it comes from name i.d. or without money. murphy really shouldn't be standing. he's out 4-1 since the primary but he is. and what he needs is help with hispanics, which the president has cut an ad in spanish for him and needs help with name i.d. and the i-4 corridor. places like tampa and orlando and i think with the clinton turnout operation, today the early vote numbers and major i-4 counties are phenomenal for us. i mean, really almost shockingly good. i think he's right in this thing. >> in terms of the more personal picture here, it's also not that it's just any senator. it's marco rubio. >> yeah. >> and i wonder, within florida, having been beaten so badly in his home state primary, i mean, he lost the republican presidential primary badly but he really lost at home, what's marco rubio standing in the state and what are his long-term prospects as a politician coming from florida right now? >> well, i think there's two ways to look at it. first of all, if you look at our u.s. senate races, in the same term as presidential elections, our democratic nominees are usually within a point or two of the top of the ticket. the only exception is bill nelson who outperformed president obama in 2012. marco rubio is no bill nelson. he didn't get a majority of the year when he ran and, you know, we go into this thing and republicans acknowledge it's a race at this point and, again, i don't really want to have this conversation with you in 2019 and say, wow, if we had only spent 4, 5 million more, we could have taken him out when we had the chance. senior adviser, 2012, democratic strategist, steve, thanks for being with us. nice to see you. >> thanks again, rachel. >> all right. still ahead, some surprising and slightly nauseating news from a person who i think is the most surprising senate candidate of the year. that's ahead. stay with us. before taking his team to stste for the first time... gilman: go get it, mars. go get it. ..oach gilman used his cash rewards credicard from banof america to earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. at places like thbatting cages. ♪ [ crowd cheers ♪ 2% back at grory s and now at wholesalelulu and 3% back gas. which helpedim ge hiplayers something exa. the cash rewards credit rd fromank of america. more cash back for the things youuy most. 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[ laughter ] cool. >> he's pouring like fish bowls full of red wine there. the key to a happy retirement, everybody says, is to keep busy. now that john boehner has escaped washington and floor votes and object stin nant caucus goers, he can drink wine and take care of his lawn. also, hitting the open road in his rv on his youtube channel he says he's out in freedom one in this clip, that's the name of his rv, freedom one. he says he's, quote, somewhere upon america's asphalt prairie. retirement looks different for everybody, right? president obama is about to have his own political retirement, forcibly thrust upon him as of late january. we've now got word that his retirement is apparently going to involve a lot more politics than what john boehner has been doing. we've got some of that reporting ahead. stay with us. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink cd i bought all the frameworkrk. re.. and ants ed to ve mop... a fa why don't you let me... and me... help you out? ♪ou're gonna hear what i say... ♪ i loveaking stuff art and ilding new things out of it. ] this is awesome anne: yohav't seen an y. last year, you might remember this, msnbc did an interesting thing called seven days of genius. everybody, pick a genius. my colleagues here picked people like the genius behind the broadway show "hamilton," also singer and songwriter carole king, judd apetow. i picked this guy. it's okay if you don't recognize him. his name is chris jankowski, a republican political operative. here's what i think is his genius. after president obama won in 2008, republican political operatives started a project they called the redistricting majority project, red map for short. the idea behind red map was to flip as many state legislators from blue to red. and the timing was important because every ten years when they do the census, state legislators get to redraw election districts. in the lead-up to the 2010 midterm election, red map starting raising money to flip districts, to flip legislative seats, to approach that whole problem systematically. they raised a little over $30 million and that's a lot of money. it's not a ton of money for a political project. but here's the genius. instead of pumping that $30 million into high-profile senate and congressional districts and all of the big races, instead, they put all of that money into states where the legislators would have the most control over the redistricting process that was going to happen after the census. they focused scientifically on finding flipable seats in key legislatures around the country and because they were obscure races, they had to spend very little money to flip these seats. they flipped a bunch of these seemingly obscure seats in places like new york where they ended up losing control at the new york state senate and alabama, where they flipped the house and the senate from democratic control to republican control and they picked off these key seats that they targeted around the country, they executed this plan that basically had them strategizing all the way down the ballot, specifically so they could get control over redistricting. so by doing that in that low-profile way out of that one election, they were able to impact the results of their congressional districts for at least a decade, until the next census, in 2020. you want to know what everybody keeps saying, the way the house districts are drawn, even if the democrats have a huge night on november 8th, this is why. because the districts are drawn in the way they are drawn and they are drawn that way because of some genius political strategizing went in to who would be in power to redraw those districts. at a certain civic level, you probably hate this, right? redrawing congressional districts along party lines feels flat-out wrong but it is, in most cases, how the system is built and republicans really did pull off this amazing trick in 2010 with very little money and no hoopla and republicans have had nothing equivalent to this in their toolbox. after president obama won in 2008, republicans mobilized this little thing, they were able to mastermind it and execute this plan. it was political genius. mr. jankowski, welcome to genius week. i think you were a genius. president obama has 87 days last in office. he's almost done. we have now learned a little bit about what he's going to do next after leaving office. and so, behold, the national democratic redistricting committee. he's going to be focused on redistricting reform for democrats. they are going to organize initiatives and legal challenges to redistricting maps and push for democrats winning in down-ticket races. president obama's former attorney general eric holder is going to chair the group and president obama has decided he wants this to be the main political focus of his post-presidency life. redistricting. what a better time to start than now. and as of right now, president obama is taking his first presidential jab at those key down-ticket races. he's doing something he's never done before. this week, president obama is endorsing 150 candidates for state senate and senate assembly across 20 different states. he specifically is targeting state candidates who win might flip a state legislature. this is a huge effort. this is something that president obama has never done. it's something no president has ever done. but what does this mean for democrats down-ticket in this election cycle and in election cycles to come? is this a good answer which republicans did so effectively after president obama was first elected in 2008? how effective will this be? joining us now, steve kornacki, host of the 4:00 p.m. hour here on msnbc and an all-around smart man. >> how you doing? >> president obama is -- am i right to say that president obama is doing something that presidents otherwise haven't done? we've never seen this kind of an effort systematically. >> yeah. we've entered into a new era. it's on people's radar in a way it hasn't been before. it's a strategy and on the minds of democrats and they feel they need to do something. there's a structural component of this, too, where republicans can come up with a plan they came up with and they are sort of running downhill. they are at an advantage when you start talking about redistricting, when you start talking about congressional district lines or state legislative lines. this is the legacy of the obama era, how the two political coalitions have evolved. the democratic coalition right now probably has the numbers to win a national election. you talk about it all the time. it's young people, single women in particular, nonwhite voters, white collared professionals. those people more and more ever are packed more and more tightly into cities in metropolitan areas. the geographic reach, if you're talking about square miles, if you're talking about land mass, area, the geographic reach arguably has never been smaller. so the numbers are there but they are increasingly packed into smaller and smaller -- really into smaller numbers of districts. >> uh-huh. >> it's much easier, if you're a republican and want to draw lines to give yourself control of the state legislature or congressional map, it's much easier to do that because you don't have -- your voters aren't -- in these rural areas, you might not have 90% but you've got 60%. democrats are sitting on 90% in a lot of -- here's the stat that i think explains the evolution of politics better than anything else. go back to 1988. michael dukakis got wiped out in a landslide loss. a solved victory for barack obama. he wins 690 counties. the gentlemen graphic share shrinks that much that in a big win they lost ground. >> if em democrats don't want to concede, that geographic is destiny. if they want to roll that stone up that hill, is this the way to do it, to try to be strategic about winnable seats, to try to flip legislatures in a way that's advantageous? >> absolutely. it's a longer-term question and the best news for democrats on that front is, look, in 2010, which is the legislatures that were seated is a result of the 2010 election. it was an off-year election and a mid--term election with a democratic president. this is the way that the elections have evolved. the next time that's going to happen, 2020, not a mid-term year. they have maybe more of an opportunity in 2020 than in 2010. >> and maybe by starting it in 2016 they'll get their training wheels on. >> exactly. >> lots more to come, stay with us. whetr i's connecti o of the world's most innovative campuses. businees count on commication, and communicaon or bcounts on centurylink. s. hoot, hoot. debunction junction, what's my function. okay, i said on friday, that a vice president joe biden apology was presumably imminent, because of something the vice president said on friday afternoon. >> he said, because i'm famous, because i'm a star, because i'm a billionaire. i can do things other people can't. what a disgusting assertion for anyone to make. the press always asks me, don't wish i were debating him? no, i wish i were in high school and i could take him behind the gym, that's what i wish. >> i wish we were in high school and i could take him behind the gym. apology presumably coming from the vice president's office in three, two -- let's check it. for saying on friday that he wishes he could take donald trump out behind the gym and teach him a lesson, joe biden would soon issue an apology. was that true or was that false? very false. not only did vice president joe biden not apologize for saying that, he said it again today in toledo, ohio. >> i'll get myself in trouble and say something like i'd like to take him behind the gym if i were in high school. all kiddin' aside, wouldn't you? i mean, for real. can you imagine a guy in the locker room talking that way and your sister's out there watching the game? not a joke. if i were in high school. i want to make it clear. i understand what assault is. i'm not in high school. if i were in high school. i ued to be, i used to have a temper in high school. i don't have a temper anymore. i don't ever, nothing ever bother the me. look, folks. i get it, no. no. >> vice president clearly working it today, restraining himself, having a little fun, but in no way apologizing for saying that he wants to take donald trump behind the gym to teach him a lesson. our playfully pugilistic vice president. i was very wrong about that. we don't know who the next vice president will be. but tomorrow night we will have a chance on this show to get a really close look at the leading contender. democratic vice president nominee tim kaine will be joining us exclusively here in studio. senator kaine has been a guest before, but we've not talked to him since he's running for vp. i'm very much looking forward to that. that's tomorrow night. coming up on "look! famous people!" we catch flo, the progressive girl, at the supermarket buying cheese. scandal er flo likes dairy?! woman:usted! 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"the last word with lawrence o'donnell." you know what it says that donald trump said about the last word? >> what did it say? >> unwatchable. >> badge of honor, my friend. >> you know how he knows it's unwatchable? he's watched the show. >> i have that feeling. >> and tweeted about things on the show. >> he has feelings about you

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the guy who actually appears in those ads was not crazy. he was an actor. there was a real crazy eddie. there was a real crazy guy named eddie running the company. his name was eddie antar. i think it's fair to call him crazy not just because of the name of his business but because eddie and his cousin cooked the books at that company really terribly. they ripped off something like $100 million in cash out of that company. crazy eddie, according to court documents, he would tape wads of cash all over his body and then fly overseas and stash the money he was stealing from the company in cash in all sorts of various foreign hidey holes. they were ripping tens of millions of dollars out of the crazy eddie stores for years. in the end, the worst thing uncovered, when they got caught, eddie fled the country but his cousin did not. the cousin with whom he had been stealing all the money, the cousin stayed behind and the cousin ultimately went state evidence against crazy eddie. he also found time to do this crazy eddie's crazy cousin interview on cnbc. >> it was one of the most successful electronic chains in the u.s. >> blowout prices are insane! >> crazy eddie, controlled by the brash eddie antar dominated the market. but there was a dark side. >> built on deceit. >> behind the scenes, eddie's cousin sam antar was cooking the books. >> what i did was pure evil. i'm probably going to fry in hell for many years before i get upstairs. >> they scammed shareholders more than $100 million. eddie fled with the cash. sam turn's state's witness. >> you turned around and turned on your family? >> yes. i put them all in jail. >> he did put them all in jail, including crazy eddie himself, his cousin, who got seven years in the pokie. now, speaking of pokey, stick a pen in that for a second. you know how donald trump's sister is a federal judge -- it hasn't really been a big point of discussion in this campaign but his sister is a federal judge. it came up a little bit during the republican primaries. he asked who he wanted to put on the supreme court and the first name suggested was his sister and then we all had to check to see if he was joking. he said he was joking. but his older sister is a well-regarded moderate federal judge on the circuit court of appeals. donald trump's sister, the federal judge, was married to the man who was the lawyer for crazy eddie all through the crazy, crazy eddie scandal. his name was john barry. he did white collar defense and corporate litigation. he's passed away now. but he was crazy eddie's lawyer through the wads of cash, taped to crazy eddie's body and the cousin narking them out and the whole thing. crazy eddie's lawyer was married to donald trump's sister. crazy eddie's lawyer was also donald trump's personal lawyer for years. and on top of all of that, john barry was also the lawyer that is freaking out the party right now. new jersey is one of those states that holds its statewide elections in off years. their race was not in 2012. it was in 2013. the next one will be in the fall of 2017. they hold their statewide elections in odd number of years. new jersey has been that way for a long time. virginia is the same way. there aren't many states who do that. one of the consequences of being an off-year election state is when they elect their governor in these weird, odd numbered years, they don't have a lot of competition for attention, right? there are not a lot of big ticket races going on to compete for everybody's dollars and the national parties to get involved. just by virtue of the weird schedule. they can get a bunch of national attention and that's what happened in 1981. so in context, that was a year after ronald reagan was elected to the presidency in 1980. the year after that, november of 1981, new jersey had its governor's race. and in that governor's race in 1981, the national republican party newly energized from that huge win with reagan and how they took the seats in congress and the senate, republican party decided they had another shot to go for another big race and they decided to basically flood the zone in that new jersey governor's race in 1981. the republicans flew in national political operatives. they launched this very aggressive scheme where they challenged the registration of thousands of new jersey voters who turned up to the polls in newark, camden and trenton. and in about 75 minority heavy precincts across new jersey that year in that race, they put up these four-foot tall warning signs. when i first saw images of these signs online and in old newspaper articles and stuff, i thought these were like flyers and the piece of a paper and put them on telephone poles or something. they were sandwich board posters, four-foot tall signs that they put outside of polling areas saying, warning, this area is being patrolled by the national ballot security task force. it's a crime to violate election laws. and they were not bluffing. the rnc did actually invent something called a ballot security task force and put these guys on patrol in minority heavy precincts. it's interesting. nobody had advanced warning that they are coming. they just showed up on election day and nobody knew to expect it. they had off-duty police officers and sheriff deputies carrying walkie-talkies wearing ballot security task force arm bands. many were openly carrying guns and they stalked around polling places in minority-heavy districts while they demanded that election workers strike these people off the election rolls. >> several of these signs were reported at polling places at newark's fourth ward. poll watchers, some of them off-duty policemen wearing guns and arm bands were also near the polls as part of the task force set up by the republican and national state committees to guard against fraud but democrats charge it was a scare campaign to intimidate voters primarily in minority neighborhoods. >> yeah, you think? who knows how many people were blocked or intimidated from voting in that election in new jersey in 1981. but as voter suppression schemes go, this one clearly worked. both parties would claim that it definitely worked. there were 3 million votes cast in that governor's race. it was decided by less than 1800 votes. and the republican won. and then the democrats sued. the democrats sued the republican party over this ballot security task force stunt. and you know who the republicans used as their lawyer to defend them in that case? donald trump's brother-in-law. the crazy eddie guy who was married to donald trump's sister. he was the lawyer for the republican party in that case in new jersey. and he got creamed in court. i mean, the damage was already done in terms of that governor's race. the republicans won that election by this many votes, right? and the democrats weren't going to be able to get that election back. but what the democrats did get was something called a consent decree, which bans the republican national committee from doing this kind of thing again, from doing anything like this, that problem hib bits them from being involved in any poll-watching shenanigans that targets minority voters. and now today, in 2016, now the snake starts eating its own tail. in 2016, it's not donald trump's brother-in-law, it's now donald trump who is losing that exact case all over again for the republican national committee. >> go down to certain areas and watch and study and make sure other people don't come in and vote five times. >> so important that you watch other communities because we don't want this election stolen from us. >> so go and vote and then go check out areas because a lot of bad things happen. >> when i say watch, you know what i'm talking about, right? you know what i'm talking about. >> take a look at philadelphia, what's been going on. take a look at chicago, take a look at st. louis. >> every time he says that, you can go ahead and picture reince priebus hiding under a desk, because that's a really dangerous path for the republican party to be on legally. the republican party is still bound by that consent decree from that case in 1981. that case that was lost by donald trump's brother-in-law on behalf of the republican party. because of that case, the republican party has promised they are legally bound to not do the kind of racially charged poll watching they got caught doing back in the battle days in new jersey in 1981. they've promised not to do it. they are legally bound not to do it through the end of that consent decree and that consent decree was put in place by one way or another since the early 1980s. it is finally set to expire next year. in 2017. the republican party would desperately like to get out from under that consent decree that they have been under since the 1980s but they will not get out from under it if they get caught violating it. they won't get out from under it if they get caught doing racially charged, racially targeted poll watching again like they used to do and that they got caught for. they will not get out from that consent decree if they actually do what donald trump is now asking all republicans to go do now on his behalf. >> go down to certain areas and watch. >> watch other communities. >> go check out areas. >> when i say watch, you know what i'm talking about, right? you know what i'm talking about. >> take a look at philadelphia, chicago, st. louis. >> or don't. or don't. or don't. thanks to that old case, lost by donald trump's brother-in-law in the early '80s, one of this year's more unexpected freakouts within the republican party is now officially under way. the republican party has issued a special request to all rnc members to please not do what donald trump is asking them to do, to please not gather around polling places in philadelphia and st. louis and chicago or anywhere no matter what the republican presidential candidate is saying on the stump. the national party sent a whole -- the whole rnc a memo to, quote, remind you of the restrictions placed on the rnc by the consent decree. quote, you are encouraged not to engage in ballot security activities even in your personal state party or campaign capacity if you elect to do so, please be aware that the rnc in no way sanctions your activity. i mean, right now, as it stands, the republican party is legally bound to not do any racially specific poll watching through next year, through 2017. if they get caught doing it, though, the consent decree gets extended until 2025. and the republican party does not want that. they really do not want that. crazy eddie's lawyer is now long gone. but it is kind of amazing that it is now his brother-in-law, the republican nominee for president this year who's the one screwing up that big case, that john barry lost for the republican party back in the '80s. i mean, in the waning days of these elections, in the last two weeks, donald trump is telling his supporters that he doesn't trust the polls anymore and neither should they. he tweeted this this morning. we have not edited this in any way. see if you can figure out why i'm saying this. "major story that the dems are making up phony polls in order to suppress the the trump. we are going to win." democrats are making up phony polls to suppress the the trump. is that the the so? anything could happen. election day may be a hulla-ba-loo. if they do go try to have a task force or what have you, anything could happen. but right now, "the new york times" probability that the the trump will lose this election is 93%. the 538 probability is more conservative. they put it at 86%. those are pretty high numbers. it may be that the actual drama in this case is moving down. 538 says there's a 74% chance. the democrats are going to take the senate. new york times puts that probability slightly lower at 67%. because of those kind of numbers, democrats are thinking about long term, right? democrats are thinking about how they can make this a big win for the democratic party beyond winning the white house for hillary clinton. we've got a bunch of interesting reporting on that subject still ahead tonight, including one race that the democrats are really screwing up. on the other side of the aisle, though, republicans are also thinking long term. republicans are looking at donald trump and thinking about what else it is that they have to lose this year besides the presidency. the republicans basically know now that picking donald trump to be their presidential nominee has almost certainly cost them the white house. what they have to worry about now is whether that's it, whether the price of choosing donald trump might actually be sort of insane. we've got more ahead tonight. stay with us. his prices are insane. hit me, hit me. ha, ha. it's a big day for news and politics. i think we'll have a lot of those in the next couple of weeks. i got something very, very wrong on this show a couple of days ago. i'll correct it this evening. there's something that i think the democratic party is currently getting very, very wrong but in that case i have no expectation that they will correct it because i don't think they think that they are wrong. but i do. and that story is next. he thinks that because he has money, that he can call he thinks that because he has money, that he can call women fat pigs and bimbos. he thinks that because he's a celebrity that he can rate women's bodies from 1 to 10. he thinks that because he has a mouthful of tic-tacs he can grope any woman within groping distance. i've got news for you, donald trump, women have had it with guys like you. [cheers and applause ] >> and nasty women have really had it with guys like you. yeah. and get this, donald, nasty women are tough. nasty women are smart and nasty women vote. and on november 8th, we nasty women are going to march our nasty feet to cast our nasty votes to get you out of our lives forever. >> elizabeth warren i think coining nasty feet for the first time in political history. we keep saying things are unprecedented and then we keep saying, oh, yeah, in the 1860s. i think nasty feet is first. i think that was a first. elizabeth warren on the campaign trail with hillary clinton. this is the first time they have campaigned together in the same place since the democratic convention. as you saw there, elizabeth warren scorched donald trump but she saved some of her other best bolts for one of the senate colleagues for kelly ayotte of new hampshire who is up for re-election who may not survive. >> donald trump, call latinos rapists and murderers, trump stayed with him. trump called them thugs and kelly stuck with them. trump attacked a gold star family and kelly struck with him. trump even attacked kelly ayotte and called her weak. and kelly stuck with him. >> i mentioned at the top of the show that the chances of the democratic party taking control of the senate are pretty good right now. that's 67% from "the new york times," the highest probability "the times" has put on that yet all year long. and that is just one number for an overall probability that the democrats will win control of the senate. but it's not just one election, right? taking the senate doesn't happen in one fell swoop, it happens race by race and candidate by candidate. that's why the top campaign events now sound like this. >> marco rubio said donald trump is a con man and donald trump is dangerous. therefore, i support -- whoa, whoa, whoa. wait a minute. how can that work? if he won't stand up against donald trump and there are plenty of republican who is are standing up against donald trump and calling him out. marco rubio won't. and patrick murphy will be a great u.s. senator. >> tim kaine taking some shots at republican senator marco rubio who is up for re-election in florida. senator kaine there also talking up the democratic candidate in that race, congressman patrick murphy. and you would think things would be going reasonably well for patrick murphy right now. the polls have definitely tightened in that race. the latest poll in florida shows him within two points of marco rubio. last week, patrick murphy got the endorsement of marco rubio's hometown paper, the miami herald. he's been endorsed by all four of florida's largest newspapers, three of which backed marco rubio when he first ran for the senate. also, the prevailing climate looks good for democrats in florida. hillary clinton leading trump by about four points at the top of the ticket. democrats running a huge ground operation in that state. and so, mystery, here's the mystery. why is the democratic party just pulled its money out of the senate race? last week, the campaign arm of the senate democrats canceled millions of dollars of florida ads they were going to run against marco rubio and for patrick murphy. that followed by a couple of weeks the biggest democratic super pac doing the same thing. why is that? i mean, i know that the democrats have to make choices. i get that, obviously. democrats want to win as many seats as possible advertising florida as expensive. the amount of money it takes to advertise a week in florida, you could spend the same amount of money and advertise in two or three cheaper states, states like north carolina or missouri. the timing and strategy of this is still weird. florida would really appear to be a winnable race for the dems. these are the last three polls. they've either shown a tie or it's within two points. early voting has started in most florida counties. democrats are psyched with where they are. they believe they are ahead of where they were four years ago when romney beat obama in florida. the latino vote in florida is up, oh, i don't know, 99%, from this same point in the race four years ago. 99% increase in the latino vote. how do you think donald trump's going to do with the latino vote? by all objective measures, marco rubio would appear to be beatable in florida in a race which could determine control. he got shellacked there in the presidential primary. now, he's going to win there while donald trump likely loses the state? really? why are democrats giving up on this race? does it make sense? joining us now is steve, former state director for the 2008 obama campaign in florida and senior adviser in 2012, now a democratic strategist. mr. shell, it's really nice to have you here. >> thanks for having me on, rachel. >> do you think -- i mean, first of all, am i describing the democratic calculus here right, that it's so expensive to spend money in florida that maybe you're better off spending that money in the same states in is that basically the map that they are doing here or have they got other factors? >> they viewed this very anti-septically. the reality is, patrick murphy shouldn't be standing and i think they were right in september when down 7 or 8 points to slow walk the race. but the last four polls have shown even two and down one in two polls and down in another. we're basically in a dead heat. 14 days out, it's like it was and i don't understand the decision at this point. >> well, and is this the sort of thing where in these last two weeks money from the democratic party is what he needs? obviously you think that he's in shooting distance but in terms of what he needs to do to win, would tv ads and radio ads be the sort of thing that would make the difference here? >> yeah, absolutely. there's an old saying in florida that the win state you have to lose statewide and it comes from name i.d. or without money. murphy really shouldn't be standing. he's out 4-1 since the primary but he is. and what he needs is help with hispanics, which the president has cut an ad in spanish for him and needs help with name i.d. and the i-4 corridor. places like tampa and orlando and i think with the clinton turnout operation, today the early vote numbers and major i-4 counties are phenomenal for us. i mean, really almost shockingly good. i think he's right in this thing. >> in terms of the more personal picture here, it's also not that it's just any senator. it's marco rubio. >> yeah. >> and i wonder, within florida, having been beaten so badly in his home state primary, i mean, he lost the republican presidential primary badly but he really lost at home, what's marco rubio standing in the state and what are his long-term prospects as a politician coming from florida right now? >> well, i think there's two ways to look at it. first of all, if you look at our u.s. senate races, in the same term as presidential elections, our democratic nominees are usually within a point or two of the top of the ticket. the only exception is bill nelson who outperformed president obama in 2012. marco rubio is no bill nelson. he didn't get a majority of the year when he ran and, you know, we go into this thing and republicans acknowledge it's a race at this point and, again, i don't really want to have this conversation with you in 2019 and say, wow, if we had only spent 4, 5 million more, we could have taken him out when we had the chance. senior adviser, 2012, democratic strategist, steve, thanks for being with us. nice to see you. >> thanks again, rachel. >> all right. still ahead, some surprising and slightly nauseating news from a person who i think is the most surprising senate candidate of the year. that's ahead. stay with us. eliminate odors you've gone noseblind t for up to 30 days with the febreze r vent cp break out thfebrez and [inhale/exhale mnemonic] brthe happy. if you're up to date on your favorite american racists, you will recognize this as david duke, former imperial wizard of the ku klux klan. despite being a well-known, full-on white supremacist, proud racist, wearing a bed sheet with arm holes, david duke really did win a seat in the louisiana state legislature in 1989. he served just a single term. since then, he's been to prison for a good long stretch but now he's back in politics and running for a united states senate seat in louisiana this year. it's the race to replace republican senator david vitter. there's a giant field of 16 candidates in that senate race. david duke, for his part, says he has benefited in this race from having donald trump as the republican nominee at the top of the ticket. he says trump voters are duke voters. naturally. well, now we have news that david duke, former imperial wizard of the ku klux klan and republican hopeful, he has qualified to participate in the next debate for that louisiana senate seat. he needed to clear 5% in a statewide poll to make the stage. he made it with 5.1%. that debate is going to happen next wednesday, including the klansmen. if your stomach is turned by that news, it's about to turn further when you hear the rest of it, which is at the location of that senate debate is an issue here. that senate debate is going to be held at dillard university in new orleans. dillard is an historically black university. michelle obama gave the commencement speech there a couple of years ago. now it's 2016 and the former klansmen is on the way to the black college that did agree to hold the debate but honestly they did nothing to deserve this. this election is going to be over before you know it this year, but in a lot of places, its stink might last longer than a few weeks. watch this space. if you're former speaker of the house john boehner, retirement looks a little bit like this. >> this is the coolest wine opener ever. i don't remember the last time i did an interview with a glass of wine. [ laughter ] cool. >> he's pouring like fish bowls full of red wine there. the key to a happy retirement, everybody says, is to keep busy. now that john boehner has escaped washington and floor votes and object stin nant caucus goers, he can drink wine and take care of his lawn. also, hitting the open road in his rv on his youtube channel he says he's out in freedom one in this clip, that's the name of his rv, freedom one. he says he's, quote, somewhere upon america's asphalt prairie. retirement looks different for everybody, right? president obama is about to have his own political retirement, forcibly thrust upon him as of late january. we've now got word that his retirement is apparently going to involve a lot more politics than what john boehner has been doing. we've got some of that reporting ahead. stay with us. last year, you might remember this, msnbc did an interesting thing called seven days of genius. everybody, pick a genius. my colleagues here picked people like the genius behind the broadway show "hamilton," also singer and songwriter carole king, judd apetow. i picked this guy. it's okay if you don't recognize him. his name is chris jankowski, a republican political operative. here's what i think is his genius. after president obama won in 2008, republican political operatives started a project they called the redistricting majority project, red map for short. the idea behind red map was to flip as many state legislators from blue to red. and the timing was important because every ten years when they do the census, state legislators get to redraw election districts. in the lead-up to the 2010 midterm election, red map starting raising money to flip districts, to flip legislative seats, to approach that whole problem systematically. they raised a little over $30 million and that's a lot of money. it's not a ton of money for a political project. but here's the genius. instead of pumping that $30 million into high-profile senate and congressional districts and all of the big races, instead, they put all of that money into states where the legislators would have the most control over the redistricting process that was going to happen after the census. they focused scientifically on finding flipable seats in key legislatures around the country and because they were obscure races, they had to spend very little money to flip these seats. they flipped a bunch of these seemingly obscure seats in places like new york where they ended up losing control at the new york state senate and alabama, where they flipped the house and the senate from democratic control to republican control and they picked off these key seats that they targeted around the country, they executed this plan that basically had them strategizing all the way down the ballot, specifically so they could get control over redistricting. so by doing that in that low-profile way out of that one election, they were able to impact the results of their congressional districts for at least a decade, until the next census, in 2020. you want to know what everybody keeps saying, the way the house districts are drawn, even if the democrats have a huge night on november 8th, this is why. because the districts are drawn in the way they are drawn and they are drawn that way because of some genius political strategizing went in to who would be in power to redraw those districts. at a certain civic level, you probably hate this, right? redrawing congressional districts along party lines feels flat-out wrong but it is, in most cases, how the system is built and republicans really did pull off this amazing trick in 2010 with very little money and no hoopla and republicans have had nothing equivalent to this in their toolbox. after president obama won in 2008, republicans mobilized this little thing, they were able to mastermind it and execute this plan. it was political genius. mr. jankowski, welcome to genius week. i think you were a genius. president obama has 87 days last in office. he's almost done. we have now learned a little bit about what he's going to do next after leaving office. and so, behold, the national democratic redistricting committee. he's going to be focused on redistricting reform for democrats. they are going to organize initiatives and legal challenges to redistricting maps and push for democrats winning in down-ticket races. president obama's former attorney general eric holder is going to chair the group and president obama has decided he wants this to be the main political focus of his post-presidency life. redistricting. what a better time to start than now. and as of right now, president obama is taking his first presidential jab at those key down-ticket races. he's doing something he's never done before. this week, president obama is endorsing 150 candidates for state senate and senate assembly across 20 different states. he specifically is targeting state candidates who win might flip a state legislature. this is a huge effort. this is something that president obama has never done. it's something no president has ever done. but what does this mean for democrats down-ticket in this election cycle and in election cycles to come? is this a good answer which republicans did so effectively after president obama was first elected in 2008? how effective will this be? joining us now, steve kornacki, host of the 4:00 p.m. hour here on msnbc and an all-around smart man. >> how you doing? >> president obama is -- am i right to say that president obama is doing something that presidents otherwise haven't done? we've never seen this kind of an effort systematically. >> yeah. we've entered into a new era. it's on people's radar in a way it hasn't been before. it's a strategy and on the minds of democrats and they feel they need to do something. there's a structural component of this, too, where republicans can come up with a plan they came up with and they are sort of running downhill. they are at an advantage when you start talking about redistricting, when you start talking about congressional district lines or state legislative lines. this is the legacy of the obama era, how the two political coalitions have evolved. the democratic coalition right now probably has the numbers to win a national election. you talk about it all the time. it's young people, single women in particular, nonwhite voters, white collared professionals. those people more and more ever are packed more and more tightly into cities in metropolitan areas. the geographic reach, if you're talking about square miles, if you're talking about land mass, area, the geographic reach arguably has never been smaller. so the numbers are there but they are increasingly packed into smaller and smaller -- really into smaller numbers of districts. >> uh-huh. >> it's much easier, if you're a republican and want to draw lines to give yourself control of the state legislature or congressional map, it's much easier to do that because you don't have -- your voters aren't -- in these rural areas, you might not have 90% but you've got 60%. democrats are sitting on 90% in a lot of -- here's the stat that i think explains the evolution of politics better than anything else. go back to 1988. michael dukakis got wiped out in a landslide loss. a solved victory for barack obama. he wins 690 counties. the gentlemen graphic share shrinks that much that in a big win they lost ground. >> if em democrats don't want to concede, that geographic is destiny. if they want to roll that stone up that hill, is this the way to do it, to try to be strategic about winnable seats, to try to flip legislatures in a way that's advantageous? >> absolutely. it's a longer-term question and the best news for democrats on that front is, look, in 2010, which is the legislatures that were seated is a result of the 2010 election. it was an off-year election and a mid--term election with a democratic president. this is the way that the elections have evolved. steve kornacki, host of the 4 p.m. hour here on msnbc and all around smart man. am i right to say that president obama is doing something that presidents otherwise haven't done? we haven't seen this kind of a down-ticket effort. hoot, hoot. debunction junction, what's my function. okay, i said on friday, that a vice president joe biden apology was presumably imminent, because of something the vice president said on friday afternoon. >> he said, because i'm famous, because i'm a star, because i'm a billionaire. i can do things other people can't. what a disgusting assertion for anyone to make. the press always asks me, don't wish i were debating him? no, i wish i were in high school and i could take him behind the gym, that's what i wish. >> i wish we were in high school and i could take him behind the gym. apology presumably coming from the vice president's office in three, two -- let's check it. for saying on friday that he wishes he could take donald trump out behind the gym and teach him a lesson, joe biden would soon issue an apology. was that true or was that false? very false. not only did vice president joe biden not apologize for saying that, he said it again today in toledo, ohio. >> i'll get myself in trouble and say something like i'd like to take him behind the gym if i were in high school. all kiddin' aside, wouldn't you? i mean, for real. can you imagine a guy in the locker room talking that way and your sister's out there watching the game? not a joke. if i were in high school. i want to make it clear. i understand what assault is. i'm not in high school. if i were in high school. i ued to be, i used to have a temper in high school. i don't have a temper anymore. i don't ever, nothing ever bother the me. look, folks. i get it, no. no. >> vice president clearly working it today, restraining himself, having a little fun, but in no way apologizing for saying that he wants to take donald trump behind the gym to teach him a lesson. our playfully pugilistic vice president. i was very wrong about that. we don't know who the next vice president will be. but tomorrow night we will have a chance on this show to get a really close look at the leading contender. democratic vice president nominee tim kaine will be joining us exclusively here in studio. senator kaine has been a guest before, but we've not talked to him since he's running for vp. i'm very much looking forward to that. that's tomorrow night. we've been keeping track here at the show of newspaper endorsements in the presidential race. it's been a weird year for that. the names listed on the left are a selection of hillary clinton's formal daily newspaper endorsements. she has a lot of them. the last time we reported on trump endorsements, he had three, one each from tiny papers in santa barbara, california, waxahachie daily light in texas. you guys have been super helpful at tracking these endorsements, particularly, when they're really tiny papers. send us tips, please. it's been very helpful. tonight thanks to you guys we can add the times gazette. there's also for the first time, a big one. shelton adeleson, a big league republican donor, funded the gingrich campaign all by himself in 2012. this winter, when a paper got a mystery owner, it was the las vegas review journal's own staff who was forced to ferret out their own owner. that was sheldon adeleson. it's not at all weird for super rich people to give money to political candidates nor weird for them to buy newspapers. it was weird that he tried to buy and run a newspaper anonymously, but his reporting staff caught him. he went into this election cycle planning to donate $100 million for the republican nominee. he did meet with trump, reportedly, but he did not reportedly open up his money spigots. he is now in the paper business, baby. when you're buying ink by the barrel, even if you don't want to spend your money, you might want to spend some of that ink for donald trump, donald trump, the right choice for president, which means the las vegas review journal joins the group of newspapers endorsing donald trump. maybe the waxahachie daily light will pass the coffee. ♪ with two weeks left in the race for the white house, all eyes or the polls. donald trump is hammering home the idea that he is winning, despite admitting to being somewhat behind in recent polling. plus with the clock ticking down, donald trump's running mate mike pence is reaching out to republicans wary about trump telling them it's time to come home. president obama heads to late-night tv to make a pitch for hillary clinton and mocks donald trump for his history of early morning twitter tirades. ♪

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blanked." and it reshapes the map of american politics. the governorator was right and the author of the book is here. you know his voice from "the simpsons" and his face from this is spinal tap but harry shearer a political satirist and he is here to turn it up to 11. but, first, yesterday on my siruisxm radio program should the gop go down in flames, which it did. answer a basic, a fundamental question. what was the goal? say what you will about president obama and the affordable care act but it stood for a purpose that everyone, even opponents understood, namely to supply more americans with health care and establish universal coverage. that was the failure with the republican plan. that there was no universal objective. no singular purpose, no common denominator other than to dismantle the affordable care act, which might be fine, so long as you have a replacement that is capable of explanation. it is, after all, now an entitlement, which people are loathe to give up. but despite there having been more than 60 votes to appeal obamacare in the seven years since it passed now when it mattered and with control of the white house, the house of representatives and the senate, the gop couldn't get it done. proving that it's far easier to criticize than to govern. if you disagree with my premise, well, tweet me or post a comment on my facebook page and tell me, how would you fill in this blank? the gop health care plan sought to, what? until that question can be answered with something positive, something proactive and something that builds while it dedeconstructs i don't see i necessary to get a bill passed through both houses of congress. joining me now is charlie dent, a republican who had said that he would oppose the bill. congressman, you know i appreciate it whenever you're here. react tao my premise. don't you need to be for something in a circumstance like this? >> well, yes. when we first started the new year, again, mike, thanks for having me on the show and go lehigh. how about that ncaa championship out of wrestling this year. with that said, i want to get back to something here. we started the year with, we started the year with talking about repeal only. i cautioned the leadership at the time, a repeal only strategy would be terrible. we would repeal it and then over the next few years we would replace it. we would never replace it. it would be too difficult and removed to a repeal and replace strategy. the replace was too rushed. all to improve the baseline for tax reform. this debate should have been more about the people who are going to be impacted by our decisions. and to reform medicare and to create, you know, tax credits for people in the exchanges. this is very hard work. i don't think it could have been pulled off in 60 days. so,er i think to a certain extent -- we did have an alternative to provide health care in a more competitive and providing greater choices, more competition and help make it a more market orniaiented approac and it was simply too rushed. >> you're a member of the tuesday group. the more moderate republicans. by the way, i'm thrilled to know there is such a collection of individuals in the house of representatives. is it possible to get your group and the freedom caucus on the same page? >> on this issue, i don't think so. because i think our goals and objectives were quite different. my reasons for opposition to the bill had to do with the fact that the medicaid changes simply were not -- they were not workable. i have a proposal right here from governors kasich and snider and sandoval and hutchinson. four republican governors who expressed real concerns that they weren't going tahave the appropriate flexibplexability a medicaid expansion states. they told me, they said, you know, if this happens, if this reform were to happen the people who would be off of medicaid wouldn't be able to afford medicaid on the exchanges because the tax credits would have been insufficient. they would have gone naked, no coverage. there was a failure to build coalitions and to help allies support this effort. and, the freedom caucus they had other reasons for proposing the bill. >> so, if you say that you can't get the freedom caucus and the tuesday group on the same page is that a failure of paul ryan? i want to show you a reaction from the right. this is what breitbart looks like this morning and they are calling into discussion whether paul ryan and speaker of the house intensifies in white house and congress. is his role in jeopardy? >> no. no, it's not. but, i mean, the truth be told when john boehner stepped down as speaker more than a year ago, i said that the dynamics that led to john boehner's resignation have not changed. the dynamics of the house republican conference hasn't changed. and that was going to be paul ryan's biggest challenge. those dynamics still must change. but, i'll tell you, mike, the big thing on health care is this. if we're going to have a durable, sustainable health care it must be done on a bipartisan basis. the failure of the democrats, i voted against obamacare at the time. they jammed this thing through on a partisan bases and we have been fighting about it every since. we as republicans should not make that same mistake. muscle it through on a partisan basis. the house could flip and the senate could flip and we would be back at this fighting ad nause nauseum. we need a durable, sustainable solution. >> to that point yesterday president trump said something that i want to show the audience and then have congressman dent react to. roll the tape, please. >> i think the losers are nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. because now they own obamacare. they own it. 100% own it. and this is not a republican health care. this is not anything but a democrat health care. >> it really frustrates me to see this treated as a hot potato because we're talking about something that keeps people alive. having made that observation, to the president's point, what could democrats do now if they were motivated. they have to acknowledge there are shortcomings with the affordable care act. what opportunity do democrats have to try to extend an olive branch and try to get something done? >> well, look, as you point out, there are democrats, you know, who love obamacare, but they know darn well that there are problems that need to be repaired. there are republicans who detest obamacare and know there are parts of that law that are going to be retained. i think one great area of potential collaboration, the democrats know the individual insurance market is broken and obamacare made it worse. the republicans acknowledge that. to repair at the very least the individual insurance market. that has to be repaired. we can also talk about, you know, some of the taxes paid for democrats and republicans do not like. the medical device tax and many don't like the cadillac tax and i can list some and find areas of agreement to improve this system. and, again, no matter what we do, we have to do it on a bipartisan basis because to get a bill through the senate is going to require 60 votes, we need at least eight democrat votes there, but we also need to build the coalition in the house. if we have someone on the hard right that can't get the yes on anything, well, then, of course, we have to have democrats help us get to 218 votes. >> no doubt. i applaud your approach. i think we need more bipartisanship and i think we only saw problems when individuals like charlie dent are willing to reach across the aisle. so, thank you for that, congressman. good to have you back. >> mike, great to be with you, as always. thanks. tweet me your thoughts @smerconish. joining me now to discuss health care phil rucker, the white house bureau chief for "washington post." his piece just out detailing the back story of how president trump tried to marshal support for the bill. it's taw rierrific read and kai health news mary agnes kerry. health care law is tough. this is the ultimate sausage factory. isn't that the lesson? >> it's so hard to get consensus within your own party with the republicans and hard to find policy solutions that work for everyone. it's very, very difficult and i think paul ryan and house republicans and president trump found that out in their efforts to rehaul the affordable care act. >> to your observation, even if this had been successful, it faced doom in the united states senate? >> absolutely. you had moderates there, including susan collins of maine and very concerned about the changes in the medicaid funding structure structure. there were concerns the subsidies wouldn't be enough, rather, to help people afford coverage. a lot of concerns that faced lots of opposition in the senate. >> phil rucker, is this really a good bill? that's not michael smerconish asking, in your "washington post" coverage today, that's president trump repeatedly during the course of the last week. explain. >> that's exactly right. it's a question that he asked when the bill was first introduced by speaker ryan back in the beginning of march and it kept nagging at him. he kept asking his advisors again and again, is this really a good bill? he couldn't convince himself that it was a good bill and, yet, he went forward to try to sell it. he was all in for the win. that's what he cared about. the big picture, the victory. he tried to sell it. this is a guy who wrote art of the deal. he campaigned by saying he would make the most beautiful deals like nobody had ever done in washington before and this was his big chance to prove it. unfortunately, for him, he failed. >> hey, phil, here's the tell. as you point out "the post" today the tell is that he was selling the rare product on which he refused to emblazon his own name. >> that's exactly right. look, this was a bill that was created by the house republicans, of course, in concert with the trump administration. not the ideal measure. if the bill passed it would have violated one of the promises on the campaign trail that he would provide health care coverage for all americans. ended up showing would have led to 24 million people not having insurance over the ten-year period after the bill was enacted. so, you know, trump was making a lot of sacrifices in pursuit of this broader victory, this win. he wanted something that he could claim as a big victory in his first 100 days. unfortunately, he's not going to get it on health care. he will look now to tax reform and other issues. but, you know, that's going to be very difficult, too. >> mary agnes kerry, you have a better handle on health care policy on law than with anyone i have ever spoken. i want to show you a tweet i sent out yesterday as the president was reacting to having withdraw this that got a lot of traction. i asked, what insurance company would, all caps, want to begin offering coverage under the aca when all president trump does is trash it? if he's out there saying it it is going to implode and explode and other republicans are saying likewise and i'm independent blue cross or etna or some other provider, why in the world do i all of a sudden want to be proactive under the aca? >> i think you raise an excellent point. insurers are looking for assurances either from the trump administration and congress to try to find out what sort of marketplace will there be in 2018. what sort of outreach will there be to get people covered, get people to sign up rather on the exchanges. what kind of support will there be? will there be administrative changes, perhaps, that will help them recover some of their losses as we had. we had a lot of sicker people get into the marketplace. their bids aren't due until later in the year, but that will be a key question. does the administration try to do anything to keep insurers in the market or do they not? do you see more insurers leave? does that hurt the next enrollment period and who gets the political blame for that? >> and, phil, to mary agnes carey's point is almost a trap being set now for the affordable care act to continue a downward spiral? >> potentially. and trump said in his comments yesterday after this bill failed that it was going to be all on the democrats. that nancy pelosi, chuck schumer and the democrats own obamacare. but the reality is he is the president of the united states. if something's not working and incumbent upon him to fix it. he doesn't think this law is working. he tried to fix it and he couldn't get it fixed and i think the american people over the next few years, if they see problems in the health care system are going to increasingly actually look to the administration to try to make this system better rather than pointing their fingers at the democrats in the minority. >> phil rucker, excellent job in "the post" today. mary agnes carey, you have a better handle on this than anyone i met. >> thank you. i asked you to fill in the blank. the gop health care bill sought to -- what did you reply? hit me with some tweets. the gop sought to discredit obama. okay, mom, veteran consumer, that's my point. you have to be for something. it has to be positive. is there another we can show everybody? mark says, discriminate. negativety is not going to move the ball forward is my point and apparently those, as well. how about from facebook, randy bograd. okay, it didn't pass. but obamacare still needs some tweaks. by the way, i'm someone who bought my family's health insurance through the exchanges. i know a little bit about this subject. i don't like the fact that all this negativety now is going to cause individuals who can turn it around to stay away from the affordable care act instead of fixing it. still to come, the administration and claims of surveillance fulfill exactly what general michael hayden predicted here on last week's show. the collection of incidental evidence. so, what's next? juliet is here. and he was in spinal tamp and does dozens of "simpson's" voices harry shearer is here. >> montgomery burns. >> keep it short and sweet. family, religion, friendship. these are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed must slay if you wish to succeed in business. t innistan. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. with e*trade's powerful trading tools, right at your fingertips, you have access to in-depth analysis, level 2 data, and a team of experienced traders ready to help you if you need it. ♪ ♪ it's like having the power of a trading floor, wherever you are. it's your trade. ♪ ♪ e*trade. ♪ ♪ start trading today at etrade.com ♪ ♪ everyone deserves attention, whether you've saved a lot or just a little. at pnc investments, we believe you're more than just a number. so we provide personal financial advice for every retirement investor. or how high the pollen count, flonase allergy relief keeps your eyes and nose clear. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. for relief beyond the nose. flonase. today, unlimited gets the network it deserves. verizon. 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"naturally beautiful results®" the latest bombshell in the russian hack investigation came on friday. house intel chair devin nunes canceling tuesday's public hearings. this capped a week of back and forth regarding russia and president trump's claim three weeks ago that he was wiretapped by president obama. on wednesday,er enunes suggeste that trump members may have been picked up with foreign intelligence officials. the white house quickly seized this as substantiation of the president's tweets on march 4, which by the way, i don't think it was. nothing in what nunes says that justifies president trump tweeting that president obama was a bad or sick guy who tapped him at trump tower. remember, the critical tweet said that. terrible, just found out that obama had my wires tapped in trump tower just before the victory. nothing found. this is mccarthyism. only somebody not paying close attention will see this as affording president trump a defense of what he said about president obama. and it is something that was predicted right here last saturday by generaler michael hayden, former head of the cia and nsa watch. >> i think where this is going, michael, and i think this is the lifeline that i think the administration is hoping they can grab on to is something that we call incidental collection. so, i suspect if there is any example of a u.s. identity being unmasked that has any relationship to the trump campaign or trump tower. again, michael, very normal, very correct, very legal. i think at that point the white house goes, ah-ha, i told you so. i think this is where it's going. >> he was on wednesday afternoon congressman nunes traveled down pennsylvania avenue to share his thoughts with the president causing "new york times" in a friday editorial to label him a lap dog in a watchdog role. joining me now cnn national security analyst juliette kayyem. unpack, juliette what you heard from general hayden and how those events played themselves out this week? >> hayden predicted how it unfolded and argued the white house saw him and thought this might be our lifeline. what your viewers have to understand is that the law recognizes that there will be incidental collection. they're following a potential foreign intelligence agent and he happens to call me because we're doing some project together and, therefore, whatever i said to him might be captured. so, the law has -- it specifically dessinginates the potential for incidental collection and protects the u.s. citizen who may not be under surveillance. it's like -- it's so normal that the fact that the trump administration would come out and say, ah-ha this is the moment. as you said, it really wasn't the moment. shows a certain amount of desperation about the investigation and how it's unfolding at this stage. i will say also on nunes, it was a meltdown week for him because, remember, by friday he was kind of even backtracking from what he said. and he needs, i mean, he basically needs to go for having done this. >> well, i want to show you, show everybody part of what he said this week after making that trip to the white house. roll that tape, please. >> to me, it's clear that i would be concerned if i was the president. and that's why i wanted him to know and i felt like i had to a duty and obligation to tell him because he has been taking a lot of heat in the news media and i think to some degree there are some things he should look at to see whether he thinks the collection is proper or not. >> juliette, when he said he thinks there are things he, president trump, should look at. i said, wait, that's your job. >> yeah. i mean, basically, nunes has one job and he didn't do it. which is to be the oversight committee. to ensure that this election was secure. and that there is no collusion with the trump campaign. look, a lot of evidence is coming out. we're only talking about one story this week. stories about manafort and past lobbying efforts and by friday a story about mike flynn the former national security adviser. all these different pieces cut across the spectrum from mere coincidence to potential collusion and that's what an investigation is about. the idea that, you know, they haven't shown anything yet seems to be the answer by trump supporters. this is what an investigation does. it takes all those different pieces from foreign intelligence, wiretaps, surveillance, the potential that one of these witnesses and i believe it might be mike flynn is talking to investigators about what he knows. all of those pieces will come together and we'll see at some stage whether a legal case can be made. >> okay. now, to go back to general hayden and saying when all is said and done the white house will try to portray in criminal terms what is the routine collection of incidental evidence. i want to show you president trump seizing the moment. roll the tape. >> do you feel vindicated by chairman nunes coming over here? >> i somewhat do. i must tell you i somewhat do. i very much appreciated the fact that they found what they found. >> so, he now sees vindication,er but i remind the audience of the tweet that began all this three weeks ago today, just found out that obama had my wires tapped in trump tower. this is mccarthyism. in an interview with michael sheer, the president said i had that in quotation marks, i'm paraphrasing but a very liberal interpretation of what i meant by wiretapping. explain. >> well, when trump said those tweets or wrote those tweets, he clearly wanted the american public to believe that president obama himself, with no predicate, demanded of the fbi that they put wiretaps on trump tower and on trump himself. first of all, you can't do that. there's no way that a president could do that. but even assuming he is right, it would be so, it's such a hostile statement about the previous administration and i think what's happened this week is it led comey, director comey by monday to say, look, this is about my investigators and this investigation. i was wrong. i thought comey would not validate that there was a criminal investigation going on or investigation going on about potential collusions with the trump administration. it was a jaw dropping moment. and the reason why i believe now comey did that was to protect his agency and to protect the investigation. it is now almost impossible for the trump administration to close down the fbi investigation. they can, you know, sort of be in collusion with nunes which is clearly the case right now. but it's almost impossible now to have almost any influence, which is good, over an independent investigation about trump ties to the russian hacking events. >> hey, juliette, final thought. tell me yea or nay. whether there was an aiding and abetting of a hacking. that is the legal issue. we don't know the answer to that question. but when all is said and done, that is the issue. >> that's the issue. and on the scale from zero to ten. zero being these are all coincidences, i am now at a seven. >> juliette, thank you. all of our scales here today go from 1 to 11 because harry shearer is still to come. those of you who remember "spinal tap." catherine, what have you got? it's clear as mud that nunes is in trump's pockt and not imparlimparl impartial. he must go and be investigated for his own russian ties. look, all i can tell you is that i don't think he should have made that trip down pennsylvania avenue and given a briefing to the president because that's not his role. his role is to be our eyes and ears and not the president's. that's how i see it. up next, it's a political roar shack test. oh, i love this. put it up on the screen. what does this look like? what do you see in that image? some see goofy kicking donald duck. it is actually pennsylvania's seva seventh congressional district. redrawn that way in the gop's operation red map which literally change the shape of how america votes. it was a project that took jerry m jerrymandering to new highs or lows. how did it happen? i'll explain. t-mobile one save you hundreds a year. right now get two lines of data for $100 dollars. with taxes and fees included. that's right 2 unlimited lines for just $100 bucks. all in. and right now, pair up those two lines with two free samsung galaxy s7 when you switch. yup! free. so switch and save hundreds when you go all unlimited with t-mobile. it's your glass of willpower that helps keep cravings... ...far, far away. feel less hungry with the natural fiber in clinically... ...proven meta appetite control. from metamucil. weeds. nature's boomerang. at roundup®, we know they keep coming back. draw the line. one spray of roundup® max control 365 kills weeds to the root and keeps 'em away for up to one year. roundup® max control 365. tomorrow's the day besides video games. every day is a gift. especially for people with heart failure. but today there's entresto... a breakthrough medicine that can help make more tomorrows possible. tomorrow, i want to see teddy bait his first hook. in the largest heart failure study ever, entresto was proven to help more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine. women who are pregnant must not take entresto. it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don't take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren. if you've had angioedema while taking an ace or arb medicine, don't take entresto. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high potassium in your blood. tomorrow, i'm gonna step out with my favorite girl. ask your doctor about entresto. and help make the gift of tomorrow possible. just head & shoulders? 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>> it was a brilliant and effective and incredibly chief way to take control of the political map for the entire decade. a handful of really savvy republican strategists reinvented the oldest trick in the book, the gerrymander in an audacious new way with really modern technology that allowed them to draw surgical, precise lines of which every single squiggle is there for a reason. the goal was to capture state legislative chambers and take control of them so that after the 2010 census, republicans were able to lock the doors and have the only hands on the maps when state legislative lines were drawn and then when the congressional lines were drawn. for $30 million they took control of the house for a decade. >> i'm going to put up both pa 7th and michigan's 14th while you continue to discuss "operation red map." i want to make clear, nothing nefarious, nothing illegal. the democrats were asleep at the switch or they could have done likewise. >> oh, absolutely. the republicans laid out what their plan was going to be in an op-ed piece in "wall street journal" in march of 2010 written by karl rove. lays out there are 113 legislative seats in 17 states that if the republicans can take them over, they would have the ability to draw the lines for 190 of the 435 congressional seats. that's a good advantage when you only need 218 to have a majority. the democratic party lacked both the strategic imagination to come up with this idea on their own. but, also, they could not play defense against it when the republicans laid it out on the op-ed page of the largest newspaper in the country. >> chris jankowski not a name that i would know as well james carville or mary madeline, but he not only was the architect of this, but in your book, "rat blanked." he was quite proud laying it it out for you. saying, yeah, that's exactly what we did. >> this is the political heist of the century, of the decade. i mean, for $30 million, republicans took control of all of these blue and purple states at the legislative level and then massive control at the house level that has not abated throughout this decade. i would be proud of that, as well. it is a terrific accomplishment. on the other hand, it has had true negatives for our democracy. >> no doubt about it. i'm with the governorator on this. i want the sharpy in their hands and not the politicians. quickly respond to this. i do pay attention to this data. i know there is the bill bishop big sort argument out there and david wassermann a cook political report has his whole crackle barrel versus whole foods conversation which speaks to self-sorting driving the bus, not gerrymandering. take my final 30 seconds and respond to that. >> if the lines did not matter this much, politicians would not fight so fiercely to control them and to have the pen in their hands. the numbers bear this out. if you look at a state like pennsylvania, 2008 and 2012, the same number of votes for democratic house candidates in both years. 2008 it elects seven republicans and 12 democrats. in 2012, it's 13-5, republican. based on the same democratic majorities. you could say that all of the democrats in pennsylvania move during that period in time or you could admit what actually happened, which is that the lines changed. we have been big sorted by big data and by big technology. >> and here is the take away from "rat blanked." those zero elections are of huge consequence. david daley, thank you for being here. i'm glad the governorator recommended your book tao me. >> thank you. hit me with another tweet before we move on. smerconish, new-found respect for you. excellent "spinal tap" reference. why can't ten just be named louder? 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i was so happy to hear from him, i didn't answer his question. i thought, instead, i'd invite him on the program and give him more time. he hosts the podcast and radio program la show. this is harry shearer. what is it you were saying tame last week in that tweet about james clapper? >> well, thank you for inviting me, michael. what i was pointing out was that james clapper was being now presented to the public as a truth teller and, of course, we know that intelligence personnel are expected to tell the unvarnish eed truth to their primary customer which is the president and his aides. when they speak to the public they may relate to the old varnish and he testified in a senate hearing that he was asked by the senator of oregon whether there was blanket surveillance of americans by american intelligence agencies. and he said, no. and, of course, a couple months later the snowden revelations came out and he had to send a note to congress saying, well, i'm sorry about the little thing there. so, you know, we're old enough, some of us, to remember a time very recently when intelligence was weaponized. intelligence people stood up and went to shows like this on "meet the press." and told what one think tank calculated were 935 lies to get us into the iraq war. so, i'm just suggesting that if we're looking -- you know, this is a story now that is very much like a house of mirrors where intelligence is being talked about and being referred to, but never, ever being revealed. we saw no evidence of anything, but we see a lot of people giving their opinions and their assessments. and my suspicion is that we're living in a house of mirrors right now. and in a house of mirrors everything ends up looking two dimensional. i don't know what that means -- >> it does, indeed. am i misreading harry shearer if i think, therefore, you are giving the president the burden -- you're giving the benefit of the doubt, that's what i should say. in so far you have these intelligence community sources who are saying that his tweet pertaining to his predecessor is without merit. how do you see that issue is what i'm really asking. >> yeah, i know. and i'm -- i should be saying i'm not here as a supporter of any politician. i think it's very likely, according to some people, that the president was in violation of the -- but congress isn't investigating that. they're investigating this other much murkier stuff. i'm not, you know, i think benefit of the doubt is not what we have here. we should have more doubt because the picture is very cloudy. one question did occur to me that i would love to have you or your viewers or anybody else answer. we were told after the snowden revelations that this did great damage to the country because terrorists were now learning to communicate and not be surveilled. be free of surveillance. yet, we're led to believe that russian operatives from probably the most sophisticated intelligence operation in the world were in frequent contact with representatives of a then probably losing presidential campaign and using communications means opens them up to blanket surveillance. sounds like the russians were being pretty dopey at that point. didn't they know snowden was living in moscow. they could have called him up and asked how to avoid this. >> if they want it avoided because i'm going down that rabbit hole with harry shearer and saying maybe they wanted us to know what we know today to foment more decent here in the united states. >> that's where the house of mirrors comes in and very hard at that point to know which of these reflections we're looking at as real. i'm a skeptic and professional skeptic. i try to spread that particular mode of thought wherever i can because i think it's a useful deterrent to a lot of spin that's going around and has been going around for years. i think -- >> harry -- >> go ahead, sorry. >> i was going to say, pardon me, final question. do you ever order a pizza as ned flanders? >> well, ned doesn't eat pizza very much because it's not blessed. >> it's a privilege to have you here. keep tweeting me, okay. i love reading what you send in during the program. >> thank you very much. >> that's harry shearer. keep tweeting me. let's see what else the audience is smerconish, seriously, dissemination of incidental info is against the law. look, general michael hayden, go back and watch what general hayden said a week ago. he called the events as they would unfold, saying, before it's said and done the white house would be seeing to portray in innocent terms. still to come, your facebook tweets and comments. ation. -sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. would you trust me as your financial advisor? -i would. -i would indeed. well, let's be clear, here. i'm actually a deejay. ♪ [ laughing ] no way! i have no financial experience at all. that really is you? if they're not a cfp pro, you just don't know. find a certified financial planner professional who's thoroughly vetted at letsmakeaplan.org. cfp. work with the highest standard. don't let dust and allergens and life's beautiful moments. flonase allergy relief delivers more complete relief. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause all your symptoms, including nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. flonase is an allergy nasal spray that works even beyond the nose. so you can enjoy every beautiful moment to the fullest. flonase. 6>1 changes everything. announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. ♪ ♪ hey, thank you for watching and for following me on twitter and at facebook.com/smerconish. what do we got? 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