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>> it could be individual justices, but we want to know your opinion of the supreme court. you can make your thoughts known on the phone, (202) 585-3880 for democrats, 2025853881 for republicans and independents. (202) 585-3882. on social media you can post your comments on twitter. we posted the question last night. about 800 responded so far. you can add your thoughts there. you can send an e-mail, too. if you take a look at polls specifically asking about opinions about the supreme court gallop is posting one that talks about americans' level of confidence. it started, again, if you believe polls, in 2012, they asked if you had a great deal of confidence in the supreme court and in 2013, 30% said they had a great deal of confidence in the supreme court. it reflects a negative 7% change in public opinion of the court, again, according to gallop. several other polls reflect that. but for our first 45 minutes, we turn your attention to the supreme court. we want to get your opinion of the court and its dealings and its workings. here are the numbers again. you can also make your thoughts known on twitter at c-span wj and send us an e-mail if you want at journal at c-span.org and if you want to post this on our facebook page. we'll read a few as we go along in the morning, but facebook.com/c-span as well. one of the people or companies that do polls of this is the firm penn schoen berland. this is their survey of june of 2014, being timed with the end of court session for this year. joining us on the phone to talk about the results, robert green, a principal there at the firm. mr. green, hello. good morning. >> caller: good morning. how are you sir? >> host: good. before we go into the specifics, tells about the behind-the-scenes work as far as what you were looking for. >> guest: we've been interested in this subject for many years. we've had the opportunity to poll on attitudes on cameras in the supreme court for five years now. several times on behalf of c-span and we've expanded an analysis as part of our own monthly national tracking studies. this latest survey, the one we conducted earlier, early this month, or, rather, excuse me, early in june 2 through 4 last month is sort of a continuation of that interest. >> host: so we talked about the gallop poll of people and their opinions on it. this is the question you asked. generally speaking, what is your opinion of the overall effectiveness of the supreme court. would you say -- and you went down categories -- of those who strongly approve the way the court does its job, 8% of respondents somewhat approve of the way the court does its job. 46% somewhat disapprove of the way the court does its job and 34% strongly disapprove the way the supreme court does its job, 12%, making a total approval rate of 54% and disapprove 46%. there are the numbers. fill in the blanks. >> guest: let me fill in the first blank. there's been a drop in the last few years of approval of the supreme court. we've seen a 6-point drop since 2012. that would -- in essence it's now a 50/50 or very close to a 50/50 proposition among americans on what they approve of what the supreme court's doing. similar to what you see in the gallop poll, we used a different measure than they did. they looked at whether you approve a great deal or quite a lot, so on and so forth, have confidence in the institution. ours was, i'd have to say, a slightly softer scale. we're seeing the same decline they are. there's approval in what the supreme court does is dropping. >> host: so numbers only tell us one thing and you only asked specific questions. i suppose there's no sense of why people responded the way they did or at least anecdotally you can perhaps give us some insight? >> guest: look, there's two big things going on out there. one is there's a very strong feeling that, you know, there's declining confidence in institutions government, noted in most of the stories. but a big factor that we see and this is what we've explored i suppose as much or more than any other polling firm is that there's a strong feeling that the supreme court should be more open and transparent. and that's a -- we're seeing 90% plus numbers on that. what they're not seeing is what they like to see which is how the supreme court does its business. they think there's too little coverage typically. this is particularly true we've learned in past polls when there's been cases such as same-sex marriage. this is the fact, the feeling, there's simply not enough coverage is -- is a strong feeling among the public and that they're not open and transparent. they're not sharing about what they're up to. that's a dominant feeling. >> host: too little coverage according to those responding. 49%. you had mentioned that. 45% saying just the right amount of coverage and only 5% saying there's too much coverage. >> guest: that's correct. what they don't like is they tend to learn -- here's how they learn about the supreme court and their activities and this is -- it's basically either how the media interprets it. i've seen, as i'm sure you have, so many stories in just the last few days suggesting that it's all republicans and democrats and that's in essence the only -- that's the filter through which the public perceives what's going on on the supreme court. no consideration about how they might be different than, if you would, more partisan parts of the government like the congress. they are not seeing -- literally, they're not hearing anything about the supreme court except as filtered through the media and to a lesser degree the congress and the president. >> host: one of the things you do discuss or at least poll on is television coverage of oral arguments. with 69% agreeing that there should be televised coverage. 31% disagreeing. and then it breaks down by category. why do you go down this road? why do you ask this question? >> guest: we asked the question because it's -- it's -- i mean, it's a fundamental issue now, which is that in a sense, the kocourt -- you know, by not opening up cameras in the courtroom, by not making it possible for people to watch the proceedings, in a sense, it's almost pretending the coverage doesn't exist. in essence, coverage does exist. it's going to be what the supreme court does is enormously important and if it's only coming through the filters, you know, as defined by others, as i said, the media, i mean, what they're doing -- the reason we asked this question, one, it's something that's important to keep a measure on and we get very strong numbers in support of television coverage. it's gone up 8 points in the last few years. but i think the bigger picture thing that i -- that in a sense your question is getting at is the supreme court is outsourcing control over their reputation. and so the role of the court and what the justices do is left entirely in the hands of other bodies. and that's -- that's not -- that's not useful for them. the cameras are really the only trustworthy witness there is where the justices could demonstrate that they take their job seriously, that they're not acting in a partisan way or in a gridlocked way like we see so much with congress. >> host: robert green on the phone from penn schoen berland, talking about this poll, he's a principal at the firm. if people want to see the poll itself, is it available online? >> guest: yes, we'll make sure it's in everyone's hands. >> host: mr. green, thank you. gue>> guest: thank you. >> host: you've seen the questions and the gallop poll information. we turn to you for your opinion about the supreme court. the phone lines for you to call. it all starts with the 202 area code. mark is up first from philadelphia on our democrat's line. thank you for waiting, mark. you are up first. go ahead on your thoughts and your opinion of the supreme court. >> caller: yes, good morning. all i have to say to you is when you think the court can get, they get even lower. there's the hobby lobby decision and little known about the union dues. is this 2014 or 1894? this court is rolling back all the games made in the 20th century with the progressive year. with citizens united and now hobby lobby, does anyone know that the koch brothers corporation with 60,000 employees is closely held? i mean, i cannot believe this. >> host: bobby from georgia, on a republican line, go ahead, please. >> caller: yes. i'd like to know why the supreme court bashing? the hobby lobby case is just one of many decisions, and the bottom line is i think that the media itself, the left wing bias of the media, right now you're talking about the supreme court because of that case and in my opinion it should have been a 7-2 decision, barring the two people that obama put on there, and i want to know, like i was looking at msnbc a few minutes ago and they had a poll and polls are just polls. they had a poll on there that said 30% of the people think obama is the worst president since world war ii. polls are polls. may i make one more statement before i finish? >> guest: go ahead. >> caller: i remember in 2008 you had christopher hayes and when it looks like obama was going to get elected, you two were high 5ing. >> host: i know that didn't take place. besides the recent rulings the court made, what's your general opinion of the court? >> caller: my general opinion is they're doing the best they can. it's general knowledge that it's got to slant towards conservatives today and kennedy in the middle, he goes either other way. there's a lot of liberals like to say about this time, elections matter. america's tired of all this liberalism and stuff like that. if you look at the hobby lobby case, it's basically this. they do allow 16 other contraceptives and everything but everybody is talking about it like they're trying to deny women's rights. >> host: several of the papers this morning including a washington post appears in the denver post. it says the number of rulings without dissent skyrocketed to rates not seen since the 1940's. the court's decisions of closely divided decisions is a low. the decisions announced monday shows a stark decision appear in the court. there's a graph that shows you the cases and their breakdown. we'll show you that in a little bit. democrats line is up next. this is debra. you're on, go ahead. >> caller: okay. don't cut me off because i have two comments. the first one is they need to open up the court. people need to be able to see what's going on. now, my second comment is i'm not an attorney, i'm not college educated, so my wording might not be too articulate. i believe that if anyone dies or anyone has any harm from their decisions, i do not know why they cannot be sued civilly. their opinions, they know, affect the lives of people. the people of the lives they affect should be able to hold them accountable for it. one person dies from the buffer zone being gone, i think somebody should sue them. >> host: overall, debra, what kind of opinion do you hold of the court? >> caller: i think they suck. >> host: allen is up next. hamilton virginia, independent line. >> caller: yeah, i think if you look a little bit beyond the surface, the whole notion of the supreme court deciding a case between the federal government and the state is kind of akin to airing into contractual relationships with you and if there's a discrepancy, nine of your cousins are going to decide the case. >> host: okay. the breakdown of court proceedings for this term, this is a done in the washington times. there's a total number of oral arguments for 2013 and 2014, 73. the number of unanimous decisions, 48, which makes it 65.7%. the notable unanimous decisions including the search warrant needed for cell phones, massachusetts abortion buffer zone that was struck down, the curbing of the president's deployment powers and stricter standards for software patent applications. bernie, howard beach new york. go ahead, please. republican line. >> caller: yeah, i believe the supreme court, as it was designed, is doing what it's supposed to do. there's congeniality among the nine justices as opposed to the problem with the congress. they can't sit down and talk to each other without calling each other a nazi or communist or a pervert. most of the people who -- and i do listen to the broadcasts of the discussions, the oral arguments -- i don't understand -- i don't understand all the intricacies of how these people make the decisions, but i'm not a lawyer and i'm not a philosopher. i depend upon other people who are smarter than me to recommend these people and i have faith that the government and the constitution has been designed for nine people together who have certain abilities to do a job. it doesn't come out black or white. but i'm willing to accept whatever they -- whatever they agree to as opposed to some of the other countries that don't have a supreme court like this. thank you. >> host: "the new york times" takes a look at the effect of chief justice john roberts in the court, that the roberts court remains skeptical of campaign finance regulations and raise conscious decision-making by the government it solicits of corporate rights and its efforts to curb union power. >> host: more analysis pieces in the papers this morning. we're asking your opinion of the court. massachusetts up next, this is fran. democrats line. hello. >> caller: yes, good morning. anybody that doesn't believe that the supreme court is biased, they've got to be asleep at the switch. you've got alito, scalia, and thomas regularly getting paid to give speeches to conservatives groups and your first guest on this morning, it felt that there wasn't any biased in the supreme court, he's the reason my grandmother used to say to me i would say, no, no, friend, liar, liar. i mean, it's just unbelievable that a lawyer would get on there and say that the supreme court is not biased. look at the corporations of people. look at the fact that they wanted 252 buffer zones around themselves and they won't allow a 5-foot buffer zone around a woman who has to go in, through a herd of screaming, swearing, obnoxious people to go in an abortion because she can't afford another child. >> host: from new york, this is john, independent line. >> caller: i've been watching c-span for a while. i know the supreme court has passed bills that were pro-obamacare in the past and i don't recall ever hearing a poll taken -- and i understand why the people are upset now because of this latest bill that they passed -- but as far as cameras go, they have cameras in congress and it hasn't had a good effect as far as their rating goes. if they introduce cameras into the supreme court, i think it would be interesting but i don't know if it would be beneficial for the american people and once they introduce that into the judicial system, will there be calls to have cameras introduced into the executive branch for non-confidential proceedings? >> host: do you think if you put cameras in the courts that the process of the court making this process and the hearings that they hold, do you think that would be of interest to viewers or do you think it would change because there would be a camera there? >> caller: when you're on camera, you react a lot differently. they take these little film clips and they edit them and present them to the american people and it's very easy to create different impressions and to figure your political needs. so i think that would be a detriment. just personally, i'm not 100% sure, but i think it could be a detriment. >> host: washington post writes the average male white house employee earns $88,600 while the average female makes less than 13%. >> host: if you go to the washington post, they show the salaries that are made. >> host: you can find out more in the "washington post". bob, what is your opinion of the supreme court. >> caller: hi, how's it going? >> host: fine, thank you. go ahead. >> caller: i just have a few simple questions. i know in the smaller court systems a lot of it seems to be a money game where they shovel people in and out of the courts. just to make a profit. i don't see why it wouldn't be that way in a larger court system. i don't know who is behind lobbying judges or anything like that. but i do know it has been going on historically, you know, for a very long time, from the mafia and businesses and corporations and whatnot. my next comment is rather a question of why it takes the supreme court to enact civil rights for the people? >> host: they make the decisions and uphold them or at least make decisions so we can let other viewers answer your question if you'd like. vernon in new york, republican line. >> caller: i just caught your topic this morning and see you're asking whether or not they should have cameras in the supreme court. you've been talking about that for years. i want the audience to know that ever since 1955 there have been audio recordings of the oral arguments available and easy to get. you just go to supreme court.gov and it's not updated apparently as it happens. i think you can get it right the next day. i might be wrong about that. >> host: we take some of those audio recordings from major court decisions and we air them along with pictures of the justices speaking and those before the justices as well. but go ahead. >> caller: okay. great. basically i just wanted the general public to know that you can get access to this. they have the previous session up on their site from april 21st to april 30th. with the dates argued. it looks like pretty much every single case that comes before them, you can download the mp3's and listen at your leisure. so the information is out there if you want to get it. >> host: do you think cameras in the courtroom would change the way the court works? >> caller: i think it would. when we have trials, criminal trials, if it's a high-profile case like o.j. simpson, they wanted to make sure the jury was sequestered so they'd be out of the reach of public influence. people seem to lose sight of the fact that the third branch of the government, the supreme court, is supposed to be above politics. we talk about the personal leanings of the justices a lot, kind of get into their heads and determine what were biases. you can't get above that as long as you have human beings deciding these things. people are going to have their own biases. but when the supreme court serves, they don't serve as a democrat or republican. they serve as a judge. and the judge is job is to interpret the constitution. and people jump on them when the interpretation of that constitution doesn't go their way, as you see happening with this hobby lobby case. we start questioning whether or not the supreme court should change what they're doing. but they're not there to serve in a political fashion. and you have cases where a justice gets appointed by a certain president so you think the justice is going to rule in a certain way. but it doesn't always turn out that way, like justice roberts, his ruling on the obamacare legislation. he was appointed by george bush. i think it was a testament and i'm not a supporter of obamacare, but i think it's a testament to show just how beyond politics the supreme court is, and i'm just very hesitant and weary about changing how they do business. i don't want to see them become subject to the kind of political pressure that our congressmen are and people end up becoming president. i don't think it would be good for the country. but the information is available to people. >> host: you sound like someone who follows the court closely. why so? >> caller: well, i don't follow the court closely. i do know the information out there, and i like to listen to supreme court cases every once in a while like when a big topic comes up, like when obamacare was being debated. i remember the whole situation of the 2000 election coming up, i was a pretty young guy, i heard of the supreme court but i didn't really look into it too deeply. but when he was hearing some of the recordings of the case that got presented to them, i thought how amazing. because all of our decisions, all of our -- through all the processes as we go through the chain of command or process, you know, with these cases, it all boils down to just a simple conversation between the nine justices and the lawyers. i don't know. it's an amazing thing to see. because you see our government boils down to just a simple discussion. i think everyone should view it. >> host: we've got about 15 minutes on this topic of your supreme court. from twitter, a viewer says the scotus, an acronym for the supreme court, is truly an activist court, the worst in history. detroit, michigan, this is gloria, democrats line. hi, there. >> caller: i've been watching c-span -- >> host: gloria, you're on. go ahead. >> caller: i've been watching c-span for quite some years. and i used to hold the supreme court in high esteem. but once the decision was made when bush beat gore, i started watching and it's a sham. i used to hold it in very high esteem, no longer. >> host: so when bush beat gore, that changed it for you. >> caller: yeah. they're just political hacks like the rest of them. before that, i used to, like i said, hold them in very high esteem. i thought they were the part of government that, you know, didn't have -- didn't hold any biases that went by the constitution. but that's not true. >> host: analysis of health exchanges, a feature of the washington post this morning. a pair of reports issued tuesday by the department of health and human services office of the inspector general conclude that internal controls for evaluating applications were not always effective in verifying people's social security numbers, their citizenship and whether they're eligible to buy health plans through the marketplaces because they cannot find affordable insurance elsewhere. a post story includes some key numbers. part of a graph. graphic, saying that studies found the problems with evaluating applications 2.9 million inconsistencies found and federal insurance marketplace records, that's for the 8 million americans who signed up for plans under the health care law by early spring which leads to 425,000 inconsistencies resolved out of the estimated 4 million discovered by late may. larry up next from fort worth texas. hello. >> caller: yes. i'm a 63-year-old black man, born here in the south. so i lived through the jim crowe era. my point is this. i would rather see an all white, nine white judges, than to see that one black token, clarence uncle thomas. he's a disrespect to the black race and the way he mistreated anita hill, he's a disgrace. that's all i got to say. thank you. >> host: next call, betty, albuquerque, new mexico. democrats line. >> caller: good morning, pedro. thank you for taking my call. >> host: good morning. >> caller: this present day supreme court to me is a perfect example why more women should be involved in our political system and, in particular, sitting on the court. the women on this present day court possess more common sense and objectivity than all five of the men combined. god, i hate to sound sexist, but i can't help it in this case. particularly where alito, scalia and thomas are concerned. you've got the very pro-corporate alito, the pompous and arrogant scalia, who when interviewed by diane sawyer some time ago who questioned him about the decision about bush versus gore laid back in his chair and said to her, "oh, that again? get over it." the arrogance is just unbelievable. then you've got the mute clarence thomas who sits there and contributes absolutely nothing. i think this is the worst supreme court in the nation's history. i believe your massachusetts caller and your michigan lady caller were spot on. it's an overreaching court, way beyond what is expected. we've got three branches of government. the executive, which is supposed to execute the laws. the legislative, the congress, which is supposed to make the laws, of course, what do we say about this congress? biggest do-nothing in the history. that's why the supreme court is overreaching and we need to regulate them big time. thank you for taking my call. >> host: to the topic of cameras, a viewer on twitter says the courtroom is not their private system. it is the venue in which they make decisions affecting everyone. we demand cameras. on facebook, karen posted this morning, 800 or so before this program, my decision of the supreme court, politically motivated, shortsighted and disappointing. make your thoughts known on one of those two social sites as well. conversations tend to continue on topics even after we're well done with them, here on television. if you want to give us your thoughts on the remaining minutes of the supreme court, here are the numbers. 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(202) 585-3881 for republicans. and (202) 585-3882 for independents. immigration reform is a topic of the wall street journal this morning. the headline industries piecemeal approach to immigration, they say with no congressional relief on the way, some businesses are wondering if president barack obama can help solve their problems through administrative action. they're also considering whether the time has come to break the compact that has bound the interests together to push for a sweeping immigration rewrite and instead lobby for industry-specific measures. the national milk producers federation said it would look for solutions to its problems finding year round workers under the current agricultural visa system which provides permits only for seasonal jobs. initially the group will see if they can assuage things by administrative action by president obama. the president of the group still backs a broad overhaul. robert from oklahoma, democrats' line. hi. >> caller: good morning. how are you? >> host: i'm well, thank you. go ahead. >> caller: i just want to comment on the recent court's decision about the hobby lobby case. i'm a democrat. i did vote for president obama twice. i think people are going way overboard on this. it's kind of crazy, all the -- all the bad, bad, bad, extremely bad name calling and stuff, it does nobody no good, at all. whether you agree with the court or disagree, that's our right to do so, but when you start calling names, all it does is divide the country. we have a supreme court and we need to just, whatever they hand down, we have to abide by it, whether we agree with it or not. it doesn't do nobody no good for this kind of language to go on these hateful calls. >> host: if someone asked you about your gut feeling toward the court itself, how would you respond? >> caller: well, it is the way our country was founded. so whether i agree or don't agree with the court, it is the law of the land. and if they do uphold the constitution, this was the law put in place by president clinton. they're not denying women birth control. there's 16 that was already providing and hobby lobby pays double of the minimum wage. >> host: a viewer writes i think the supreme court is one of the last uncorrupted institutions in our american life. i'm unhappy with several decisions they have made including citizens united but i'm not about to throw the baby out with the bath water. our e-mail is journal at c-span. florida democrats line. thank you for holding on, joe. >> caller: i want to ask a couple questions. i've been thinking about the hobby lobby law and do you think everybody should be against hobby lobby in a hat? >> host: i won't answer the question, but why don't you answer your own question. >> caller: i want you to answer it, buddy. it seems like you're enjoying it. >> host: i'll ask your opinion about what do you think of the supreme court overall? >> caller: we're going to get our land back by how you used to say we're going to get our land back. what land is supposed to be -- >> host: howard, up next from locust grove, georgia, republican line. hi. >> caller: hi, this is howard from atlanta. i'm disgusted in all of them in the white house. we've got to clean it out. i blame the republicans and the democrats because they need to impeach obama for breaking all the rules and regulations up there. i'm a u.s. truck driver. i run across this country. they up there breaking -- it's a disgrace of america. i'm a tea party person. we need a third party up there. >> host: when it comes to the supreme court, give us your thoughts and opinions of that. >> caller: oh, the hobby lobby? >> host: overall actually. what are your thoughts on the supreme court? >> caller: it's all corrupted. it's all corrupted. but with the hobby lobby, now, if you're going to be blessed, you've got to do what's right and speak the truth and stand up. and i hope everything changes and turns around, you know, i really do. >> host: liz wrote about iraq's parliament and current problems in its meeting and making decisions the features in the washington post this morning. they write that sunni and kurdish lawmakers left the meeting after two hours with no progress on forming the new government. after the exit, the acting speaker of the newly elected parliament ajourneyed the meeting until next week. they have conquered much of the north and the west of the country and kurds have asserted control and the government in baghdad has been scrambling to hold together what is left of its collapsing security forces. that's in the "washington post". he says he will leave his post, saying he's 72 and will be succeeded by his deputy with ties to secretary of state john kerry dates back to mr. kerry's 2004 presidential campaign. in an interview he took a hopeful, if somewhat guarded view of the situation in afghanistan. >> host: the story also talks about possible future plans for mr. dobbins. if you go to our website and type his name, you'll see several instances in which he appears. the story says mr. dobbins may write a book, if he does, it will be much to recount, including the difficult negotiations over a security agreement to keep american troops in afghanistan after 2014, the missed queues last year that led to abortive efforts to explore peace talks with the taliban and the deliberations over the administration's troop exit strategy. ronnie from kentucky on your opinions of the supreme court. good morning. >> caller: good morning. my opinion about the supreme court, it's gotten way to politicized. i have -- although i do agree that a company should not have to pay for some type of medication, i don't think anyone should have to pay for anyone's abortion. the taxpayers' money. if i may say something about congress right quick, i know there's been a lot of talk from suing the president and things like that, but what is he supposed to do because congress won't do what they're supposed to do? i'm not a fan of obama, believe me, but something's got to be done in this country. we're just going down the drain because there's just too much division. so anyway, everything is politicized now. thank you. >> host: here's nancy from arkansas. democrats' line. >> caller: hello? >> host: you're on. >> caller: okay. my comment is if you take a look at the obamacare decision and a few of the other decisions the supreme court has made, those decisions are basically given corporations the same right as an individual. that's what this court is pushing for. to push across on the american people the corporations have the same rights as individuals. i personally don't believe that because i don't think any corporations are going to show up for church, and -- but that's what's going on. and all the rest is nothing but hearings. >> host: so are you saying that the court is too pro-business? >> caller: yes, definitely. you cannot give corporations the same rights as an individual. and i don't -- that's not my interpretation of the constitution. >> host: sandy lives in massachusetts. we're asking folks about their opinion of the supreme court. she's on our independent line. hi, sandy. >> caller: hi. what i'd like to know is what's the average age of the supreme court? and why haven't we got younger people sitting on the supreme court and why don't we have a junior supreme court and possibly start it very young in the small, small grades, teaching them how to become one of these justices and what they have to decide? we have to have younger thought. we have a lot of old farts up there and we need to get rid of them. >> host: so age is a concern of yours -- i think she hung up. judy from north carolina. hi. >> caller: good morning. i wanted to say that in response to the lady from massachusetts that just talked, with age comes wisdom, and also these people that are on the supreme court, for the most part, has been in the law and they look at the law. this is what i love about c-span is that you can hear the cases that have come in front of the supreme court and you're going to hear the arguments, you hear the cases that are cited, and after being told that obamacare was not a tax over and over and over and over, of course, as it was read and as it was passed by the supreme court, justice roberts did say this is a tax and that is how obamacare got passed. and in the hobby lobby, as far as people being -- corporations being people, there is strength in numbers, just as in the unions. people like to say that unions get by their unions and have strength and this is also the way corporations are. so some of the things i agree with the supreme court does and some i don't, but they do look at the law and abide by what the laws are. >> host: so judy you have brought up the fact that you can listen to supreme court proceedings and we show them here on c-span. what do you think about a camera being shown during the supreme court? would that be beneficial, do you think? >> caller: absolutely not. i watch the hearings that take place in the senate, and in the house of representatives, like with the i.r.s. hearings and so on and so forth. and it says to me that when the cameras are there, a lot of our representatives, a lot of our senators play to the camera and they editorialize. they want their -- they want to be perceived by the public that's watching the hearings as some grand person, and they do tend to editorialize instead of getting down to business. >> host: let's take one more call. don from houston, texas, go ahead. >> caller: yes. it's just a bunch of bad decisions coming out of the supreme court, and i didn't -- say it again, please? >> host: i didn't say anything. go ahead. >> caller: i didn't want to go here but it seems like citizens united or the koch brothers have reached the supreme court. the decisions are absolutely bad. there's no win to what they have decided on. i'm not understanding what the supreme court -- okay, the law is the law. but we are 2014, not 1876. so let's get serious and get some people up there who are forward thinking and not -- and i would also like to see cameras in the courtroom because somebody or several people are up there sleeping. because they're too old and not functional anymore as far as i'm concerned. thank you. >> host: coming up on the program, our next guest will offer his view of the relationship between the obamas and the clintons. he's edward klein, the author of "blood feud". he's joining us next and we'll examine issues and this is going to be continuing after this. >> it was quite the -- a risk and so they took their culture, what they knew here, there. of course, some of them took the bad aspects, too. the slavery. but that was all they had ever known and they built houses like this one because, after all, they're the ones who built this house there were a lot of basically greek revival houses that the pre-slaves built in mississippi and africa and across the river was louisiana in liberia, which was settled by freed slaves from louisiana. there was a georgia, a virginia, a kentucky and maryland county and all of those people came from those states in the u.s. >> host: our next guest joins us from new york, the author of a new book taking a look at relationships between the clintons and the obamas, "blood feud" the title. edward klein joining us from new york. welcome. >> guest: thank you for having me. >> host: why did you turn your attention to these two families? >> guest: well, the media has spent a great deal of time writing and talking about the feud that exists in the republican party between the tea party and the establishment wings of that party. but has spent virtually no time at all on the feud that is going on between the two great democratic families, the obamas and the clintons. and that feud is going to affect who gets the democratic nomination and maybe even who is in the white house in 2016. i thought it was an important story that deserves a book. >> host: so, mr. klein, what is the feud over, as you see it? >> guest: well, the feud is over many different things. first of all, it's a personal feud between the clintons and the obamas over the kinds of words that they hurled at each other during the 2008 presidential primaries in which the obamas called the -- called bill clinton a racist and bill clinton called -- and hillary called the obama a fairytale. they've never really even forgotten those slurs. but even more important, there's ideological battle between the left wing of the party that's represented by barack obama, and the more centrist left wing of the party represented by the clintons. so this is a battle not only over personal slights and revenge but also over ideology. >> host: and when it comes to the ideology, you say president obama is more left of center and president clinton more centrist in his approach and those two kind of expose themselves as negotiations between the two came to the forefront, not only over his wife and her future but also about support that president clinton would ultimately give to president obama in his re-election campaign? >> guest: that's right. as we know, in 2008 -- i'm sorry -- in 2012 i meant to say -- president clinton made a rousing speech for barack obama at the democratic national convention, and the media played that as though these two wings of the party were burying the hatchet and now were united. that was part of the deal that bill clinton and barack obama struck during a golf game in which bill said he would support obama in return for obama's support of hillary in 2016. so it was a political arrangement that fell apart after the election when barack obama changed his mind and decided that he was going to keep his options open in 2016 and he has not backed hillary clinton and her march toward the nomination. >> host: and part of that meeting that you spoke about talks about president clinton's view of the meeting, one of the quotes from the book, it's partial from the book saying, "president clinton said i hate that man, obama, more than any man i've ever met, but the important thing to keep in mind that obama's decision to invite me out for a game of golf is a sign of weakness, since any deal we might strike will immediately place obama in my debt." can you add some context to that? >> guest: i'd be happy to. because bill thought that by backing obama and giving that speech at the democratic national convention in august of 2012, he had placed barack obama in his debt. that's what happens in politics. it's generally one hand washes the other. the trouble is bill clinton washed obama's hand, but when it came time, obama reneged on the deal. and according to my sources, who were in the room with bill clinton when he got the news, he placed his face in his hands and shook his head and he was so upset that hillary clinton thought he was going to have a heart attack over this, what he considered to be a welching of the deal. >> host: there are questions about the book. what do you make of the claims and why not bring more people to the forefront as people who actually gave you the sources and give their names? >> guest: i think it's a very legitimate question and it's a question asked of bob woodward whose books are all anonymous sources. the game change authors, all their sources are anonymous. thank you very much. their sources are anonymous, too. when you report on current political battles, it's very hard to get people on the record because they don't want to lose their access to the people in power. so i've developed over the course of many years, during the books that i've written on hillary clinton, on barack obama, the last book i wrote was called "the amateur, barack obama in the white house." i have a rolodex of sources who i've come to depend on who have proven to be absolutely accurate, again and again and again. and these people will talk to me for a variety of reasons, not the least of which they like to see themselves as quite important and close to power, but none of them will go on the record and understandably so. >> host: edward klein, our guest to talk about his book, "blood feud" and takes a look at tensions between the clintons and the obamas. as our guest mentioned, he wrote previous books about hillary clinton, the kennedys and other topics. if you want to ask him questions about this book, here's your chance to do so. for democrats, (202) 585-3880 for republicans (202) 585-3881 and for independents, (202) 585-3882 and on twitter, it's at c-span wj and our e-mail is the journal. you bring in valerie jarrett, the president's adviser. what's her role in all this? >> guest: well, i say in "blood feud", this book, excuse me, that valerie jarrett is the single most important behind-the-scenes adviser in the white house since harry hopkins, more than 70 years ago in the franklin roosevelt administration. hopkins was a friend of both franklin roosevelt and eleanor. valerie jarrett is best friends with both michelle obama and barack obama. she lives in the white house. i mean, by that, she literally has a suite of rooms that she occupies permanently in the white house. she has a secret service detail. she eats with the president and first lady every night that they're in the white house. she goes on vacations with them. she goes to whatever meeting she wants to attend and she carries the president's message to cabinet ministers and other people in the administration. there's been no one since harry hopkins, way back in the 40's, who has this kind of power. >> host: and you write of her from your book saying, "she watched over him and made him feel safe she was his special charge, the devoted one. she gave him the kind of unconditional love that he never received from his mother, who frequently abandoned him as a child." >> guest: that's right. now there have been several, as you know, biographies, of barack obama. there's been a lot of speculation about the fact that his mother was not around a lot. she traveled a great deal. left him with his grandparents, his white grandparents. when she was around, he felt a great need to win over her love, according to many books, by showing what a great man he would become. and i think in many ways, he has a similar relationship with both his wife, whom he really wants to please, and valerie jarrett, who is a kind of substitute mother figure. >> host: first call for you is from kathy. she's from montgomery, texas, on a republican line. you're on with edward klein. kathy, good morning. >> caller: yes, good morning, ed. i'm so happy you wrote this book. i just have a comment. the clintons are so fake. this is what they get, they went overboard thinking barack obama would save him at the end of the day like bill clinton did at the dnc when he made that ridiculous speech. this is what he got for dealing with the devil. thank you. >> guest: well, that's an interesting question. you know, it's interesting that bill clinton has been taking some soundings in various states across the united states with democratic party chairman, building a support team for hillary in 2016 and he has told his friends and associates that when he speaks to these party chairmen, these democrats, he learns the obama administration, the political people in the obama administration have been there as well and that they are looking for what bill clinton called a mini me, a clone of obama, somewhat who will come out of nowhere and challenge hillary for the 2016 democratic nomination. so in bill clinton's eyes, there's no greater obstacle to hillary getting the nomination than barack obama. clinton may be the single most popular politician in america, if not in the entire world right now. there seems to be a collective amnesia about what the clinton presidency was like. budget, asnce the you just said, during the clinton years. we did do a reform of welfare. that was in conjunction with a republican congress, which in many ways forced his hand. havewe seemed to forgotten, so many americans, is that during the clinton administration, you're right about this last act, which allowed banks to do their own freighting, and which ultimately does -- resulted in the collapse of the economy in 2008, plus, and even in my estimation, and more important failure. during the clinton years, nothing seriously was done about the rise of al qaeda. terrorism thatme is now shaking the world to its foundations. interesting bill is popular wherever he goes and no one seems to remember anything from monaco to terrorism. the one thing he was -- the one prison he was not popular with was valerie. why is that? guest: an excellent question. the blood feud between these two families, the obamas and the clintons, has an ideological dimension. say when they're with their friends and associates and they do notvisers, believe the clintons really stand for any principles. they look down upon the clintons as opportunists. the clintons,and, for their part, look on the obama team as a bunch of amateurs, inexperienced people who seem to fumble all the great issues of our time because they do not know how to govern. whye are so many reasons these two sides do not get along. he cannotis guy here, even say president obama, so you know where he is coming from. , weconflict is so divided are going down in a handbasket. it is ridiculous. you need to have more black people on speaking. i and 75 years old and retired. i have time to watch this stuff. direct a don't you comment or question directly to our guest. himer: i am talking about directly. we just got through talking about the supreme court. he is now coming out with more negative stuff. it is ridiculous and i feel sorry for my grandkids and great grandkids. anything you would like to respond to? guest: i had a little trouble hearing her. the connection was not very clear. i am hearing, what about all the negativity in the country and is , the blood feud between the clintons and the obama's, just adding fire to the negativity. that i say to our caller am just as patriotic as you are, ma'am. i feel you are right this country is divided and that what is to pick a leader in the white house and a congress that knows what they're doing. the most recent poll that just came out i believe today, says that the majority of mouth -- americans think president obama is the worst president in 70 years. that is a pole, not my opinion. poll, not my opinion. a lot of people think this is based on racism, that because he is african-american, people do not like him. i do not happen to share the view. i think the opposition to barack obama and his plummeting poll ratings has to do with what i inexperienced,an fumbling administration that does not seem to be able to get its act together. says someone off twitter -- to hide it used well, that is true. i am not so sure they are still, , bille only recently clinton came out publicly and said obama care was a flawed law . that is a big statement from and a huge blow to president obama, that a former democratic president would say this law needs to be revised. on her part, hillary has come out publicly and said that despite the white house claim that the irs scandal is invented, that it is really not a scandal at all, she thinks it is a scandal and should be looked into. shealmost came out and said -- there should be a special prosecutor. it is indicating their beginning to push space between themselves and the obama administration, as we get closer and closer to the time hillary will announce she is running for president. york,from brooklyn, new republican line. caller: good morning. it seems to me, mr. president obama, even though he is having trouble, he also does not care for mr. bush either. this in someo put kind of round, you know -- presidents,now, two sitting presidents, and there is one president in the house now, besides that, when the clintons were in, they happened to have it very good because they were at a stage in life where electronics for coming up. people were just getting into that and there was a lot of money made through that. do you understand what i'm saying? and i would like to respond and say barack obama, basically, if you just get to the court matters, won the by hisncy in 2008 opposition to george w. bush and the iraq war. that was his key platform. years, he isd four now in his six-year in office, he blamed bush again and again for the problems he has inherited. my view and inn the view of the clintons, has caused many of his own problems. we see the middle east going up in flames. hillary clinton urged barack obama to get involved in syria early in that war, not with ground troops, but with support of the opposition to assad regime. if obama had listened to hillary, i think we would not be of radicalspread islam through syria into iraq that we're seeing today. course, theas, of issue with russia, in which the obama administration tried to make good relations with vladimir putin. we have seen how that has worked out. again and again, blaming the past is no excuse for not functioning well in the presidency. i think the clintons feel very strongly, and as bill clinton once put it, that barack obama is an amateur. host: edward klein is our guest from new york. the title again is "blood flute -- feud." hello. can you hear me? i hope you understand what i will say. likening to you is everything. he is incompetent. if he were incompetent, he would not be the president. you have a problem because he is there. --t makes you confident competent in what you're doing with your book? guest: i will let other people decide. i have been a journalist for a very long time and have written 12 books, most of which have been on the bestseller list. i used to be the editor-in-chief of the new york times magazine. before that, i was the foreign editor of newsweek. i have a long history of, in my field, achievements. i feel my books have, again and again, proven to be true. as far as the president is concerned, i am not the only person who is saying this is an incompetent administration. this seems to be a widespread and spreading view among the olitical >> -- political class. threatened obama that syria would go over a redline the united states drew, that the united states would take military action. that was a threat. he backed down on that after the weapons were used and in doing so, he lost not only personal credibility for himself, but credibility for the stature of the united states throughout the entire world. cecil up next, from georgia, democrat line. caller: thank you for c-span. there has been a lot said since i have been on the phone. i think this guy just wants to and thaty for his work is ok. that is his job, to try to make money on his book. think he is just trying to get stuff started. everyone else talking about the redline and some of the things. and hillary had not even decided to even run yet. we do not know what obama will do as far as supporting hillary. i hope that you have an opportunity to read my book, " blood feud: the clintons vs. the obamas" because this book to occupants chapter after chapter the bitter family fight going on in the democratic party between these two great families. many of mynly i but sources and many of the sources in other publications who have documented this growing feud. i think as we go beyond the 2014 midterm elections and start really getting involved in the presidential campaign, which will happen after november, you between a widening rift these two wings of the party, represented by obama on the left and the clintons on the centerleft. host: roger green on twitter says -- guest: yes, that is exactly correct. the appointment of hillary clinton as secretary of state was opposed by michelle obama on the ground that it would bring the clintons into the white and complicated obama's ability to get his policy through. but in obama's point of view, and the point of view of his other political advisers, bringing hillary in in a way to silence,clinton to not be an active opponent of the obama's. though clinton literally signed an agreement with the obama administration that if hillary was pointed as secretary of state, he would not make any speeches in foreign countries, for which tom abide away, he used to get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, as we know now. anything in major policy speeches that was not first vetted and cleared by the white house. as thising hillary in twitter person said, he kept his enemies close and kept them quiet. the wallstreet journal -- guest: at this point, they have practically given up on getting obama's active support in 2016. they have been creating what i would call a parallel democratic party organization, a clinton from thearate democratic national committee controlled by the white house. bill has been actively involved in this, putting together policy books for hillary. he has been bringing major donors and political figures down to little rock, where he has his clinton library. he has been spending all of his time putting together the campaign hillary will run. mostct, he has turned over of the day to running and the policy decisions of the clinton foundation to his daughter, chelsea, who is now in charge while bill is spending his time on hillary's campaign. the obama about campaign's database names, donations, what happened to that? is a very good question. part of the deal i mentioned, in which bill thought he had a deal with obama, part of the deal was, in addition to obama's support of hillary, that he would turn over the whole database and donor base to the bill to, and allow nominate the head of the democratic national committee, all of which obama has since reneged on. host: washington is where jamie is on our independent line. ok, i am going back a bit. it is very hard on somebody on the west coast to get in and you were not kind with your phone numbers to old ladies, but i want to know what your guest thinks about the current supreme court and, in particular, about ,ts decision with hobby lobby -- >> i do not know if that is the topic we are engaging with this morning. i wanted to see if callers wanted to comment on your book. if you wanted to comment, go ahead. say will make a brief, and the coverage of the supreme court decision and the reaction from the obama white house, in factew, overlooked the that the supreme court did not that these smaller corporations do not have to give any contraceptive health care. contraceptiveme health care, including day after pills, which some people think is an abortion pill. contraceptives are concerned, there is still coverage, they're very inexpensive as well, and i do not think this supreme court decision was that radical, although i certainly think the obama administration is seeing it as a big body blow to obama care. host: joe from maryland, democrat line. caller: good morning. comment.nted to evidently, you are a professional author. think, when you write, you sound prorepublican or whatever and that is your choice. but when you look at the it hastration, you see always been a government, and it is always been what it is. politics as usual. when president obama was elected, it was a relentless suit for imperfection. that is ok, but to betray him as is, less than a president, i think that is an insult to the nation. america, wake up. i would like to comment on that. i think it is a very sensitive issue. among the african-american community in my night -- in the there is a deep feeling that this president is being unfairly attacked because of his race. whites, that is not as common, although a number of liberals agree with that point of view. i do not comment on that in my book because i do not think i am qualified to do so. about thein my book actual policies carried out by this administration, about the conflict between bill clinton, who, by the way, is a great friend of the african-american community, and so his criticisms of obama, i think it is very hard to say race is based. jokes he wasten the first black president because he did so much good for the african-americans in this country. hard to say itry is racially based between the obama's and the clintons. >> carlos from chicago, on our independent line. caller: good morning to both of you. i have a couple of questions, and then a comment and a suggestion for your next book. -- as you just spoke of, african-americans. if you talk about the african-american perspective, ,nd you look at both residents past and present, my question you aof all is, are republican, democrat, or independent? at c-span asked me. as c-span asked me. guest: i'm a registered independent. caller: what prompted you to write this book and, as a lot of callers have heard, and what economy to make the phone call, again,ecause they say, you have to look at things -- like you said, you're not qualified. i understand that. then, african-americans you have interviewed, what did they share it with you about the accomplishments our president has done. guest: i would like to comment on that. go ahead. ok. i have made many trips to chicago where barack obama began his political career and where the african-american community was the first community that got behind him in a strong way, raise money for him, and launched him on his political career. i have interviewed many members of the african-american community in chicago. without exception, they are disappointed with barack obama because once he got into the white house, they never heard from him again. they wrote letters and sent e-mails and said, here we were, first day people, people who were there at the beginning of his career, and with whom he could not have risen to the great heights he has, and he has forgotten them. it is not only the african-american community. whove also interviewed jews raced a lot of money for barack obama, christians who are ,iberal and are very pro-obama and they all say, almost without exception, that they love this man, they were happy to be behind him, but that he has shown no gratitude toward them or even made an effort to bring them closer to the white house to show his gratitude. feeling about obama is also common among members of congress . democrats and republicans alike who say they never hear from him, he does not get to know detached.s aloof and this is not just me reporting this. journalists both in the mainstream media, in the liberal media, and in the conservative media. james from delaware, you're on with edward klein. first, i want to address what he just said about african-american views on obama. they thought he would do more and the reason he could not is because he faced a congress that no one imagined he would face. he faced opposition that no one even imagined he would face. if he looked toward the african-american community, he would be called different names. but what i wanted to ask your that is, he said earlier there is a poll that said obama is the worst president in 70 years. does he agree with that? does he have any idea about the last administration? what is this guy? every day, you have a parade of political hacks coming on and criticizing the democratic administration. if rupert murdoch bought the station, why don't you tell us? host: that is not the case. go ahead with your remarks. i think he was rehashing a little bit of what he said, previous criticisms of this president by congress and others, particularly relations with congress. that is my gathering. but go ahead. guest: right. well the clintons feel, as i describe in my book, that obama has not shown the political talent to even try to work with this congress. for instance, let's remember when bill clinton was president, he had a republican revolution on his hands and that newt and essentially said the president was irrelevant, almost. he came very close to saying that. what did bill clinton do? bill clinton, rather than dig in and say, i will just do what i want to do irrespective of triangulated and found common ground with the to do manycongress very important things we have already mentioned, bound the welfare, send 100,000 new police officers onto the streets of american cities, and on and on. a political calculation on bill clinton's part, that he could not work opposition. this has not happened during the obama administration. there is virtually no communication between him and the republicans. i am not for a second suggesting the republicans have not been very critical of him. they have. but i interviewed vernon jordan, an african-american who is on the record in my book, by the and has been a major figure in the democratic party for many years, and he said, yes republicans have made it difficult for the president, the when you are elected president, you are expected to lead. vernon jordan is a relative of valerie? guest: the life. -- the wife. how are you doing? the republicans are the ones who put us into this mess. withess has not worked this president throughout both of his terms. i would like you to, -- come back on after the midterm --ction and sulu will be run see who will be running. trust me. i will call back after the midterm election, and i would like you do come back and listen to my comments. i would like nothing better than to come back on c-span and if they invite me, i will be here. this is about presidential advisers. do you believe the advisers of both president obama and president clinton came from the same think tank pool? i do not. clinton's advisers came from the democratic leadership council, a centerleft group that tried to bring the democratic party away from its radical base to more of a centrist position. the obama administration has been, by and large, running its policy decisions by political people. i'm talking about david axelrod who helped him get elected. i will give you a concrete example. in my book, i discuss a meeting that took waste between bill and hillary clinton and caroline kennedy. was about toedy take up her post as ambassador to tokyo in japan. wanted advice from hillary, the former secretary of state, about what she should expect and hillary told her, according to sources that hillary spoke to later, that, do not be surprised if your marching orders as , come not in tokyo from the state department but from valerie jarrett in the white house, essentially a political advisor and not a policy person. i think that says volumes about how the administration has and run. -- in run. -- has been run. they workedbout how together as a couple, particularly in the political sense. how -- guest: that would take us a long time. would say as quickly as i can say this, that the clintons have a marriage that is somewhat similar to the marriage of franklin and eleanor roosevelt. it is essentially a working relationship. they have gone their separate ways in many ways. they do not live together often. but they are colleagues and collaborators on policy as eleanor and franklin were. side -- excuse me the obama side, we have a first lady and michelle obama who is best friends with valerie jarrett, and who is a behind the scenes advisor to her husband in a way that is quite different. michelleespects, behaves toward her husband as though she knows better. is the in public she boss. he often sounds like a henpecked guy. i know that is radical to say that. i think there is a lot of truth to that. these women, michelle and valerie, have enormous influence over his policy decisions. concrete example, when bill daley was chief of staff of the obama white house, he said after he resigned that he and obama would come to a agreement and then valerie jarrett would go upstairs to the residence that night, spend the evening up and the next morning, the president would come down and shell out an agreement that daley had. daily resigned because he said with thatot function kind of white house. "blood feud: the clintons with edwardas" klein. thank you. coming up, marilyn geewax will join us for a discussion. later on, 2016 politics. we will continue on our conversation. but first, we get updated news from c-span radio. 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"washington journal" continues. now, npr'sng me senior business editor, marilyn geewax. welcome to the program. the news breaking even in the last hour or so is this report that talks about jobs numbers. first of all, what is 80 p and why should we care, and what is it significant or not? >> they collect statistics about private employment. the report is positive and in line with what everyone is expecting for tomorrow. usually, the labor department releases job reports on fridays. but we have a holiday on friday so we are all off. they will release it thursday. everyone watches the monthly job report and pays a great deal of attention. like the latest private poll and other data suggest that once again, we will have a good month for job growth, probably in the range of 2000 jobs and maybe more. if you can keep going at that rate, about 200,000 new jobs created and added on top of what we already have, it is starting to finally pull the economy forward. it is not as strong as it should be, but when you think, it was exactly five years ago, right where june was turning into july of 2009, when the economy began a rebound. we are now five years, happy birthday recovery, five years into it, and we are just now getting to where unemployment is not quite so bad. there are still millions of people come more than 9 million, who are unemployed. but when you're adding 200,000 jobs a month, you are eating into the unemployment: getting the economy on stronger footing. probably, the unemployment rate will still come in at 6.3. it is not great, but not the horrors we had in 2009, which was 10%. magicand that is the number anyway as far as recovery is concerned. guest: yes. it has been a long and slow climb and there is still a long way to go to get the economy back to a vibrant state, but we have recovered all the lost jobs, and we're starting to dig into the pool of long-term unemployed unless something changes. it is finally starting to feel a little bit more like a normal job market. >> what about the jobs being restored? economy isall, the starting to be a two track economy. people who are in the petroleum right now, natural gas, any kind of engineering job, those kids are coming out of school, starting in six figures. chemicalal pay for a engineer graduating this year was just shy of 100,000 a year to start. those kinds of good jobs are happening everywhere. if you have the right skills. but the problem is many of the jobs that have been created tend to be in hospitality, leisure, restaurant work, that kind of thing. two-tiered economy happening where we have skilled workers who are very much in demand and getting good quick -- good wages, and a lot of job growth in service jobs that do not pay much. average people can provide middle-class wages, those are still tough. recovery is as the concerned, is there still a y factor? -- why factor? a series of factors on why the economy is recovering? guest: that is more of an economic argument, sort of a political argument. president obama was saying congress needs to do something construction,way bridges, those kinds of things. congress needs to act to get that done again. in the president's point of job, there is a reason growth has been slow. congress has not done enough to get the stimulus going and get the economy moving and get -- m ake sure the state is hiring construction workers. good paying but not super skilled but not super low skilled, good old construction jobs, building bridges. president argues he needs more help from congress on that. others would argue -- republicans certainly would argue -- that the president's's policies have been too focused on regulation and have held back businesses and things like the affordable care act. they feel it has slowed job creation. those are arguments for someone in politics. from an economic point of view, i think it is fair to say that the economy has been growing over the past five years. it clearly has been. but there have been setbacks throughout that that have kept growth lower. one of the setbacks we had this was the gdp report we have recently that shows come in the first quarter, january, february, and march, the weather lousy, that it really restrained the economy. it looks like the quarter that just ended in april, may, and june, that second-quarter probably saw a great deal of growth because it was a bounce back from the first quarter. things that did not get done in february got done in april. you will probably see more than three percent when the numbers finally come out. overall, they would like to have more even growth rather than up and down. what goes through your mind? is that a valid concern? the past winter was quite exceptional. if you have a terrible tornado that hits a place in missouri, that is bad for the town. ondoes not have an effect the overall national economy. even a pretty big hurricane, a thing like trina is devastating for new orleans, but it did not do much to slow down massachusetts. but the weather this past winter was quite pervasive. there are large parts of the country that really had a problem. this you have got the us -- ongoing drought and flooding in the upper midwest. that will have an impact on food prices. we are already seeing meat is quite expensive. you have weather factors that are real and that do impact the economy. eventually, the field strike up and sooner or later, it has got to rein in the dry parts. toodo not want to put that much into a long-term forecast. but, for the first half of this year, there have been real weather issues that are again important enough and pervasive enough that they have affected the economy. topicthat is our broad for the segment. here is the way you can comment and ask questions. -- if you want to send us a tweet -- for may, the unemployment rate is three .6%. --6.3%. this is mark on the democrats line. caller: good morning. i think there are a couple of not having jobs picked up. one, they are our jobs overseas tax cuts to send them overseas seems pretty stupid to me. the southone is, korean steel industry dumping america, isl into just decimating our steel industry. just like the golden gate bridge. as it did, it came out over budget. host: we have two comments out there and we will let our guest respond. guest: they have had a tough time for a long time. the complaint when i was young was about japan, who was flooding the steel. there is now a lot of concern about south korea. really seen is tremendous technological change in the steel industry. there are a lot of different aspects of that. things like the kind of steel mill my grandfather worked in, where there were tens of thousands of men going to work, a lot of that has really dramatically changed, where you can go into a germ -- a modern steel mill today and shoot a cannon and not hit anybody. they are very empty. issuesre two separate involving steel. one is steel sales and sales taken by foreign competitors. when it comes to steelworker jobs, that is, in many ways, more of a technology issue. the industry has changed so much. that is a real challenge for the economy. there are technological advances happening and that is a lot of what has happened with middle-class jobs. it is very tough to keep up with that level of change. caller: i disagree with the numbers. andid slow with florida texas and california. they are constantly blaming the lousy economy on other things. ands a democrat economy democrats thrive in bad economies. when the economy is good, they got beaten. ohio, it didl in exactly what it was supposed to do. moved industry out of ohio to mexico and other places. that is what it was supposed to do. manufacturingong country, democrats lose. they love the economy. there is nothing wrong with the economy. guest: a couple of points to make. they did have a really bad drought there. it was a mix of problems. there was snow and cold in some parts of the country and dry heat in others. but they have got, of course, some problems with their crop from disease. the economy is quite mixed. to say things have been bad joined the obama era, it is a complicated picture when you look at it. the stock market has done almost unbelievably well. incks from where they were 2009 when obama came into office, they are really at record highs again. financial markets have boomed. it looks like the markets are moving even higher. host: it is about to hit 17,000. guest: the financial markets have done very well in the country. is problem for everybody that there is a lagging job growth. republicans would say the economy is being choked by too many regulations and too many taxes. as toa political debate the more core problem. as far as the overall economy, it is quite mixed. it depends on what sector you are looking at. investor, thetock last five years, you should have bought in the summer of 2009. you would be very happy today because these stock prices moved up sharp lee -- sharply. host: from texas, republican line. caller: one comment and two questions. comment is i'm hearing a lot of excuses, basically. the weather has not been bad for seven years now. you mentioned how chemical engineering jobs are everywhere. they are only where the epa does not shut them down. then you differ that obama's policies are political in nature. they have real economic effects. my two questions. like to know the total labor force over the last 10 years. also, we are now halfway to a recession. we have negative growth, negative gdp. why is there not much comment about that? i will listen to you on the television, thank you. >> i wanted to be clear, when i was talking about the weather, i have not been talking about the first five years, but just the first half of this year. i was only referring to this past winter in the first half of 2014. think you would have a tough time finding an economist who did not agree that weather was a factor in the first half of this year. factor thiss a year. there was a reference to the labor participation rate. the number of people who participate in the labor force peaked in the late 1970's. with of that has to do women coming into the workforce. previously, most women came home in the 1970's. a lot of women came into the labor force to take jobs. the participation rate shot up quite a bit. years, all those women who came into the workforce in the late 1970's, the women who came in the 1980's, people are retiring now. you have a demographic old shove people who are in their 60's right now and they are falling out of the labor force. you also have a high percentage who, this recession was brutal. people washed out of the labor market and have never gotten back in. 2008,you lost her job in when you're in your late 50's. now, you are on social security and just out of the workforce. there has been a demographic been a majoras reason for the decline in labor participation rates. there are other factors as well. it is just true that baby boomers are aging. it is also true this has been a horrible economy for a lot of people in the middle sector jobs who have not been able to get steady work and they have drifted away. a lot of people have turned to disability insurance. many people are in their 50's getting a social security system and moved into disability because they really cannot fit in today's workforce. you have a lot of factors. a slow growth in middle income jobs, demographic factors, and changes in the way the skill level people need to participate. host: democrats line. caller: i want to say to everyone out there, we are all in this together. let's stop moving backwards and talking about what happened and let's move ahead. way,ing, somehow in some we have got to get it through congress that they need to incorporate money for people to get traded. come on. if people do not buy things -- what did george bush say after 9/11? get out there and buy stuff and keep the economy going. the middle-class keeps the economy going. understande have to this is going to take time. because the time recession was pretty bad. we have got to work on this not,her because if we do this country will not survive. there are two very valid points to make about what has been holding back the economy. one thing is this discussion of training, a tremendous missed -- --smatch -- masmatc mismatch. how do you get people who have the skills to fill the job? if you talk to employers, they are deeply concerned about training. another thing that is important is the housing market continues to fit together with that in crazy ways. one of the things that has really kept the housing market from being as robust as it otherwise might the is the fact young people are shying away from buying a first-time home because they are so burdened with student debt. much more than we have had in the past. people know they need the training. they try to pay for it themselves. they find themselves with typical student loans. debtsin 10 have student and there in the tens of thousands of dollars. they really have a hard time saving for the first down payment. these twin issues are tied together because you need job training to get ahead. funding it yourself is very expensive, so you want the college degree, you do not want the student debt. what you end up this with literally people living with and they cannot take the first step toward has reallyip. that impaired the ability of the economy to grow because we are counting on the housing sector to be a big job creator. alain is next, florida, republican line. caller: wondering if you could answer a couple of questions. could you tell us how many jobs that were created that are full-time and how many are part-time? with the weather being a factor for the low economic numbers, couldn't the fact that salaries for part-time workers being lower, people holding onto their money -- they don't have the money to spend. i would like to hear your answer to that. thank you. >> there has been a very high percentage of jobs that have been part-time jobs. i am sorry i don't have a specific number for you, but it is true that there has been a real problem with creating full-time jobs for people. many companies have turned to using-- part-time work or the existing work for overtime, anything to avoid adding another person to the payroll. that has been true throughout the recovery, it has been hard to add the full-time jobs. wages have been really quite low. we really have not seen the kind of wage growth that one would stockly expect with the market and corporate profits being very strong. it really has not translated into wage hikes for workers. when you ask economists about that i say that there is just such a large pool of unemployed people that unless you are in those super skilled positions where there is high demand -- if you are just sort of a regular, ordinary person looking for a over 10lions of people, million people until recently were unemployed. that meant that large pools of downable workers have held wages and kept people in a part-time situation. it really has been a real problem for demand. when you want to get this economy going, what people say is that they have got the of supply, they can make all the things that you want, but they just don't have the consumer demand and the demand has been held back by this low wage growth. it is a process of healing when you have gone through such a traumatic event as this recession. getting debt to diminish you have to sort of walk up these rungs of the latter to get back to growth and we have been having a tough time climbing the ladder. --our guest works for npr host: our guest works for npr. you were in europe. what were you studying? >> they take a group of journalists each year into the radio in the americas sector. do anogram continues to exchange program where they take a group of americans, we go there, germans go here, we study politics. i am just back from this great time in germany -- it is a great time to go during the world cup, everyone was very exciting -- excited. in the daytime we toured factories and talk to people. this comingok at trade relationship that the white house is trying to put together with europe. europe is under the some relative of the european union. there are 28 countries, hundreds of millions of people, a big, robust market. it is our biggest trading block. in some ways the u.s. economy and european economy are already so tied together. on any given morning you wake up and you have got your cup of getlé's hot chocolate, you in your volkswagen, you drive to work, maybe you haven't no key a phone that you use to call the office. there are so many european products in our lives and in europe there is just a tremendous number of american products. you would think that the relationship would be very close. but it is not that close. it could be closer. there are still lots of -- rsists, -- terrorists -- terrorists -- tariffs. the white house and the european union want to create this new the name is kind of stupid, it is a trade and investment pact, trade and investment partnership. we can really merge into this sort of transatlantic giant large single economic space where we can do a great deal of business with each other. are -- who knows, but the white house says that they could create air t million createthin the trait -- 13 million jobs within the trading zone for economic activity. what we were learning about this summer is that there is still a long way to go in putting together this trade packet. there are a lot of concerns in europe about companies coming in with our privacy standards. when you look at the history of germany -- with not seas, with half the country being occupied or whatever you want to call it with communists in east germany, there are a lot of concerns about invasive government police , corporations, those kinds of things prying into your private life. they have very different feelings about privacy. they don't want people snooping into their lives. a lot of people in europe feel like the privacy standards that our companies observe are too low for their tastes. and then there are a lot of concerns about agricultural products. genetically modified things are a concern. there are a lot of reasons they are worried on their side. and of course a lot of americans are worried about increased competition from everything from bmw to like whatever, they don't want to have even more imports. there are concerns on both sides of the atlantic and it is a very complicated negotiation, but they are going to regroup again. another round of talks is coming later this month. on but asoldiering real problem for the united states is that congress has not reauthorized fast track authority for president obama. fast track would help to facilitate -- it is a special power given to the president to speed along these kinds of trade them. to simplify they have expired and congress has not renewed them. until the president has fast-track authority renewed, it will be tough to complete this deal. >> mike, texas, independent line. >> thank you for c-span and npr -- caller: thank you for c-span and npr. the corporate structure is making more profits than ever. ceos are getting huge bonuses and salaries. they sent all the jobs overseas and have replaced us with robot, and yet they say that government cannot create jobs. these guys got there on the infrastructure that we all made, why don't we want the government to help replace it? those are, again, political discussions, but certainly the things he raises about robots and imports -- the thing that is nice about studying another economy from a couple of week -- for couple of weeks is that you have the opportunity to see many things. we got to tour of volkswagen plant in germany. it is just amazing. just watching how the technology involved these days -- the chassis comes by, the body, a robot puts the body on the chassis, things come up and they zip it together. you have a bunch of parts and the next thing you know it looks like a car. humansw, there are no involved. the idea that the guys there with a wrench twisting it, that just does not happen in a modern factory. so, boy, i don't know how you change that. in the particular factory that we saw they said that 70% of the cars they make go to china. is a very global market where robots in germany are making cars they can be shipped to -- it is very tough to see how no matter what you might want to think about it lyrically or say -- it is happening, like it or not. that is what the factories look like now. people monitoring things. there are still some workers on the factory floor but so much of it is done by robotics now. that is a trend that is very hard to say that hard to see corporations saying -- wait, we are going to stop using these technologies and go back to a bunch of guys with wrenches in their pockets. it's not how the global economy is moving right now. >> greg, missouri, republican line. caller: i was calling to speak with marilyn. doesn't npr receive government money for your radio station? about obama'shat policies? he has done nothing but lied to the american people. he continues to live to the american people. and he expects us to believe what he is doing? there is no way. >> public radio as an overall system does get some government funding. but it does not particularly go to npr. we create content here in washington. our member stations use it. the public funding tends to go to the member stations, but it is really complicated. it is a complex subject and i don't want to get into the details, it is above my pay level to understand where all the funding goes. but the general idea is that our member stations, those public stations in your community are the primary recipients of public funding. all one, big, giant public radio system along with public television. terms of what is a lie or not? that is, you know, something that everybody needs to look at through a political prism. it is not an economic argument, that is a political debate. host: kathy, florida, thanks for waiting on the independent line. hi.er: i was wondering what marilyn thinks the possible impact of the iraqi oil situation over there -- how might that impact this country in the future? that we are so dependent on foreign oil. the 1970 three crisis. i am not a well-educated person, but it would appear that our country has not learned a lot since that time. thank you for the question. there is a lot of concern all over the world about energy conservation right now, things are very unstable in the middle east. there are all sorts of problems now with israel and this concern around events involving, us, there is instability there. obviously syria, iraqi, those are places where it is helping to push oil prices higher because there is such instability in that region that provides the world was such a great degree of oil. on top of that the big issue is ukraine. ofsia is a major producer energy, gas, and oil. pipelines run through the ukraine. there is a lot of political and military turmoil, shall we say, in ukraine. certainly a big issue, russia wants to control the territory, that is whether pipelines go from russian sources of energy to the markets that they supply in europe. so, with both russian energy and its questionable state and ,iddle eastern turmoil, this is as they call it, a risk premium for oil prices. it makes everything more expensive. one counterweight that we heard a great deal about in europe was the discussion of the united states the coming such an enormous producer of oil and gas, there has been technical lot -- technological changes there, the process called fracking has greatly increased our out what of oil and gas. americanlk about saudi , that we have become this huge counterweight to russia and the middle east. whether or not, you know, i think it is unquestionable that the oil prices and gas prices would be much higher right now if it were not for the tremendous increase in the american output to counteract these concerns in russia and in the middle east. americans are also just using less fuel. people switching to hybrids, just higher levels of gas mileage that we are getting out of our cars, we really have slowed down dependency on gas. even looking at it from a consumer point of view, gasoline prices are pretty high this summer. you are looking at around four dollars per gallon depending on the part of the country you are in, but it is high for the fourth of july. but people don't take it as hard now with cars getting 30 miles to the gallon when they use to get 10 to 12 miles to the gallon. areeven though gas prices high, the usage of the gasoline is not as intense, so it helps the consumer in that regard. >> davis, crockett, texas, independent line, go ahead, please. >> a question on infrastructure. everyone always talks about infrastructure, roads and bridges and stuff -- no one ever discusses power plants. you know, coal burning power plants. nuclear power plants. host: thanks, dave. that isan.org --guest: actually a big issue, there is a lot more natural gas being produced now. a lot of coal fire plants are being shut down and nuclear power plants that were built in the 1970's are now being seen as obsolete and potentially fukushima,ever since the catastrophe in japan people have increased concerns about some of the older nuclear power plants. so, some of these power plants are being moved in the direction of being out of commission. but new things -- natural gas can be used to fire generators to create electricity. there is sort of a giant move going on in the economy that in general tends to be away from coal and in the direction of natural gas turbines that produce power. so, there is a big shift going on. >> one more caller --host: one more caller. rich, virginia. republican line. caller: two big points, c-span, i would love for you guys -- i know sometimes you take comments from guests, but i would love for you to do a show on the stock market. i really don't understand why it is so high with the economy sputtering and maybe going backwards. the other question that i had was -- i am in the construction business. just about everything that we use now is made in china. many millions how of cars that general motors is recalling -- what impact does have inof bad products terms of a drag on the economy? host: thanks, rich. profits haveate been very strong and again, it is back to this idea of a globalized market. just taking the example of that vw plant in germany. if they have got a lot of capital invested in new equipment, robots, the latest things, and they have the technological capability to ship is a verychina, that different kind of model for how the whole world is working. companies can invest a lot of their own money and capital to invest in these new kinds of equipment. they become very profitable and can sell things to wealthy people in other parts of the country, but it does cut out the average worker where you don't have just the run-of-the-mill person standing on the line making a run-of-the-mill income. so, there are many people, many economists, who are very concerned about this mismatch. that you can only do this for so long, but markets make a lot of money with corporate profits being very strong and you eventually get active the demand side where you hold everything you can and sell it to rich people and you need the middle power.o have more buying that is where you need people to have jobs and that is sort of the big question. can we keep going like this with financial markets looming and the job market still remaining subdued with wage growth slow? is that the kind of mismatch that leads to another coming recession? that is really something that we cannot fully predict, but certainly many are very concerned about it. has joinedyn geewax us to talk about the economy. thank 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page -- or your editors did, that sometimes paying attention to the hidden narrative or the overlooked character is the thing. what did they mean by that? guest: we have a wonderful website that tells people what is going on on a daily basis, but in the current media climate it can be easy to get wrapped up in what is going on in the minute by minute hourly basis. what a print magazine is for, we feel, is to step act, look at the characters and underlying themes, things that may not be as apparent in the daily news cycle. what we wanted to do was a deeper dive into the characters of 2016, some of the candidates and their advisors are, as well as their histories, looking at where they come down on the issues and what their historical patterns have been. >> one of the major feature stories of the magazine takes a look at hillary clinton, the unified. hillary. you did not write it, but what is the thrust? isst: peter's basic thesis that her greatest strength and weakness are the same thing. she has an incredible capacity for putting her head down and executing a well-defined plan. incredibly hard-working, incredibly smart. when she knows what she is doing she is incredibly hard to beat and a talented at moving ahead and executing a plan. peter also identifies in her .ast and inability to pivot and inability to always realize where the political world is headed and adjust accordingly. he draws on two examples to make the case. the first is the debacle with health care and 94. it was really clear, well into that process, that what the clintons were proposing was not working. folks inside of the white house were telling hillary and bill that they needed to adjust, that they may be needed to settle for half a loaf and she was very dug in on what she wanted to do with it. might be example that even more compelling is her stance on foreign policies, particularly a rack leading up to 2008. she dusted not grasp that the center of the democratic party had moved to the left -- he just did not grasp at the center of the democratic party had moved to the left. rip -- not speak to that that liberal base. that was how obama was able to out maneuver her and get to the point passed her on policy long past the point where she should have been pivoting to the left, she was still stuck in very hawkish rhetoric. president hillary would be someone great at executing a plan but maybe would not he has nimble as, ideally, you would want a politician. host: numbers to call -- the 2016 presidential landscape is the topic with richard just, of "national journal." you talk about hillary, hillary clinton. you are also taking a look at scott walker. guest: absolutely. walker is an interesting case, there is a huge division in the republican party between the tea party grassroots base and the tea party establishment of the party. whoever wins the nomination is going to be someone who has to speak to both constituents. looking at the republican field it divides into folks who are on one side of that or the other. one reason we focused on scott walker is because we felt he was a candidate to check both boxes. someone an enormously popular with the tea party and libertarian roots of the party, seen as being a truly conservative figure, but i'm one who is also acceptable to the establishments, the elites, the business folks who have a lot of influence in the party. they were obviously impressed with him taking on unions in wisconsin and emerging as the winner. he also has a sort of very calm, stayed, demeanor on the outside. someone like ted cruz, who is very pugnacious, conservative, which the base of the party loves, he communicates that pug nations this in a way that maybe is not always ideal for a presidential hopeful. someone who has conservatism underneath that the base looks for and has a mild manner and likable demeanor. again, richard just of "national journal," looking at this series of stories that you can find. florida, fort myers, up first. good morning. when i was watching the primaries, hillary clinton had a breakdown and said -- you people just don't get how important this is. media, they have kind of circled camps around obama. the way that i heard that in her voice, the stress that i heard -- he is right, people just did not get putting a neophyte in there. as a republican, had she won that primary i definitely would not have voted for john mccain, he just seemed like the lesser of two evils. guest: you mentioned the word neophyte. which is interesting. one of the things that a hillary or a jeb bush brings to the table is a lot of experience, which can kind of play as a positive or negative in american politics. i think that often americans don't like dynasties. in their gut they find them to be un-american in certain ways. on the other hand, obviously a dynasty brings with it experience, which can be valuable in washington. one of the really interesting facts that he notes in the piece, something i did not know before i edited it, in 1993 when bill clinton arrived in the white house, not a single one of his domestic i'll see staffers had white house experience. that speaks to just how much of thatphyte administration was. if hillary is the president in 2016, if someone like jeb bush wins on the republican side, that kind of situation will bring a lot of experienced folks into the white house and the experience that they personally have in politics, changing the kind of shape of the potential administration. takes a look at the joe biden dynasty, the article. connecticut, good morning. good morning,r: yes. i have a couple of things to say about the hillary situation. hillarycerned that approaches politics with the manner. tuned if you say it this way that it does not work or if you say at the opposite way or some other way, i don't it the sense of fidelity from her. in particular i am concerned that she is in the back pocket of the zionist who hang around the white house. guest: well, i would obviously disagree with the notion that she is in the back pocket of zionist. obviouslyat hillary sort of moved has around on the political spectrum, there is no question that she came out of the 1990's struggling with the perception that she was very liberal. i don't know that that perception was ever really true. veryhe said about very, concretely in her years in the senate and the early 2000's trying to change that image of herself, trying to move to the center and make it clear that she was not a left winger, but a centrist democrat. i think that that was something that actually got her into trouble, where she had moved too far to the center for the days -- base of the democratic party, particularly on issues of foreign policy. it will be interesting to see how she positions herself in 2016. host: huntsville, alabama, michael. i am in elizabeth warren democrat. there is something more intriguing about rand paul, who has been talking about populist issues around the prison situation. if he gets serious and stays with that, he could peel lost some minority votes. but his biggest problem is that -- aynn randn problem. question thats no the folks who identify with the occupy movement are going to want a spokesperson on the stage. i think a lot of folks from the war in camp would like that person to be her. she has basically come out and said that she is not going to run. it just doesn't look likely. i think the likely spokesperson for that wing of the party will be bernie sanders, from vermont. the big profile in this issue looks at what kind of spokesperson he would the on the left on the primary stage. obviously, sanders would not say this but he would not be running to win the presidency, he would be running to move hillary clinton to the left and force the democratic party to address some of the economic issues that are important to this segment of the electorate. it will be interesting to see how he does as a spokesman for that wing of the party. there is no question that there is an overlap between that wing of the party and rand paul republicans. is entitled "ile am right, everyone else is wrong. clear about that"? good morning. caller: good morning. does he think that anyone could come forth as a nationalist candidate for the citizens of the united states to get us out of these horrible trade , maybe with some things like a constitution party that would include some government programs like social security for our own citizens. i really think that the time is right for this. sounds like you are speaking to the libertarian wing of the republican party. that would be the rand paul ring -- wing. there is a real decision -- division within the party on the issues that you are speaking to around things like rand paul, who want america to retreat from the world. who want a very limited, if any involvement, by america and world affairs. and then there is the more traditional neoconservative party that holds them up over the recent years. it will be very interesting to see how that division plays out. is fair to say that the republican party is as divided on foreign policy as any political party has been in recent -- recent memory. these are just diametrically opposed worldviews and it will be interesting to see where the passions of the base of the party are during primary season, particularly on those issues. host: a poll on democrats for jeb bush, chris christie, ted cruz. republican line, go ahead. caller: to the guest on the show, hello. guest: how are you? caller: fine, thank you. i live in a little town in marietta. it is about 40, 50 miles west of los angeles. are aboutnes there miserly tomboys. i woke up this morning to find that the immigration powers that town in colorado are attempting to distribute illegal changes. do you think the immigration issue will be in 2016? guest: the republican party base is not in alignment with the establishment. you keep seeing this on foreign policy as a division between the base and the establishment. immigration is one of those issues that is going to obviously have a very hard line to pass. it is an issue that could hurt someone like marco rubio, who was a darling of the conservative wing of the party and attempted to broker a compromise and has now lost his conservative streak read because he moved to the center on that issue. it could hurt someone like jeb bush, forcing them to move further to the right than he would ideally like to be for the general election. one of the things that we saw in 2012 is that mitt romney was forced to move so far to the right during the primaries, it hurt him during the general election, making it so that in the general election he had no shot at bettina wulff -- latino voters. it is not a part of the country that the republican party can ignore forever. they will have to figure out a way to talk about this without alienating voters, but they are obviously passionate coming from the other direction as well. joe, indiana, republican line. caller: what is going to be the most likely thing to come out of left field? dumping the electoral college? third party? or even canceling the election because of martial law or countries at war, something like that? guest: i don't think of the election will be canceled. hard to see those scenarios playing out. third-party is always a possibility, but they often pander to the most likely candidate on the left to appeal to those nader voters, people who have split off, he feels he does not want to do that now and it seems he does not want to split the democratic party. it looks like someone like sanders would run to make a statement but would then get behind the candidate area that is probably true for most of the folks on the left who could potentially challenge him on the left. even if elizabeth warren changed her mind to run, it is hard for that hard to see her damaging democrats like that in the general election. peter, hi, you're on, go ahead. clintonho would hillary picked to be vice president of the united states in 2016? guest: that is a great question. it is hard to know who would be in their. before this recent issue of national journal i might have said brian schweitzer would have wasa shot. brian schweitzer planning to run for president, at least. it appeared he was planning to run for president against hillary. we did a profile of him that i thought was a terrific profile of his rambunctious character, very controversial. he made some comments to our reporter that i think caused the controversy in washington that may have made it so that now he cannot run for president -- although who knows, we are still two years away from the election. host: would you explain what he said? guest: he said that eric cantor .et off his gait are -- gaydar probably not the most residential thing to say. he also compared dianne feinstein to a prostitute. not usually the kind of red -- rhetoric you would want to hear from a candidate. that is part of his style. that kind of freewheeling style is one of the things that i think a lot of people liked about him. he is a western democrat who appeals to that wing of the party, someone who might have been a potential vice presidential pick, but i am not so sure he would be on the short list anymore. logan, for richard just, hello. would you think about bernie sanders running? with the fact that he identifies as a socialist hurt him in the long run? a great question. being a socialist is a very dirty word for most of the electorate. it is not a word for -- not a dirty word for bernie sanders. i think he is proud to be seen as a member of the progressive left and if you ask him i think you would like that label to not be known as a dirty word, but there is no question that it could limit his appeal and it is among the many reasons he would probably never be the actual nominee. but i do think it is possible that someone like bernie sanders could have a real influence on the primary. his presence on the stage with hillary could force her to the left on economic issues, particularly on the kinds of populist things that he likes to talk about in terms of the economy and the working class. he has this really interesting theory that he is very passionate about, the democrats need to talk less about social issues and focus enormously on economic issues, potentially a way to reach out to economic social -- economic conservatives. i don't know if that theory holds water or how it plays out, but there is no question that he could have an influence on the primary stage. david, utah, independent line. caller: hi, richard. obama will be running for lawident because of that declaring a president running becausetutional -- obama will make the long running for only two terms unconstitutional. host: do you honestly believe that? caller: what the? host: we will leave it there. response? guest: probably should not. trust is very low in the nation right now. how can you all promise that these black ox voting machines are not being deregulated? i am having a hard time believing these numbers anymore. why can't we go back to hand-counted ballots? should pass on that. i don't think there is any evidence that voting machines are being manipulated. host: the technology has improved since 2000? true. that is certainly i think technology has changed. i can't really speak to the pros or cons of the technology. from los angeles, independent line, hello. -- caller: good morning. i have a question. the republican party has a number of possible options for the election. the upcoming presidential election. i have not necessarily heard all the names. ben carson, ted cruz, and of course you have scott walker, but one of the things i would like to point to is that there are many options in the republican party. i am not hearing all the options in the democratic arty. you have hillary clinton. mentioned earlier was war in, but where are the others? are hardly any options with regard to a vp for the democrats. guest: well, there is no fortion that it is smaller the republican bench. whether that is good or bad is hard to say. it could help or hurt democrats as well, and hillary might in some weird way be damaged by not being tested by tough competition. there are other people out there who have been talked about. andrew cuomo comes up. martin o'malley, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren probably not going to run but if she did a segment of the democratic party would be excited about her. schweitzer has again signaled that he is going to run. there are other people out there circulating around hillary, it is just hard to see any of them -- assuming that she wants to run, that she does run, it is hard to see any of those people mounting a serious challenge. just, editor for "the national journal." tom, go ahead. yes, i will enjoy seeing hillary secure the nomination. i am backing chris christie of new jersey and i cannot wait to see the debate. thank you very much for letting me call. -- we we have and will haven't talked about chris christie yet, he is worth talking about. he was obviously damaged by the bridge gate scandal, but he is off -- also obviously very appealing to the republican establishment. his --. he is centrist with views appealing to moderate democrat voters, very successful as governor in a blue state. the one thing i will say about christie is that his persona is going to be an issue for him. it was an issue before the bridge scandal and it will be an issue even afterwards, because that seemed to reinforce the doubts that people had about his persona. if you look at recent presidential history you will see that every president has had a kind of optimistic, hopeful, positive persona. someone like ronald reagan was much more conservative than ronald reagan ideologically but on the surface he was nonetheless a happy, optimistic, friendly presence in the lives of the american people for the years he was president. i don't think that the kind of pugnacious and this and kind of anger that you sometimes see from christie -- it can be very appealing to the people who already like him, but i think it will limit his appeal. it is not to say that he cannot soften that, but i think it will be his one drawback. asked to pickans the nominees for 2016. jeb bush topped the list, chris christie at 11%. louisiana, hello. caller: i enjoyed your show, guys. i like it a lot. i have worked for the oil industry for 30 years and i have worked on humanitarian stuff and all of that in central louisiana a peer -- central louisiana up here. i think that in the next election we will see a big change in the old politically correct holiday tax going out of the way to deal with the reality. you know, fixing our problems with the border, fixing our foreign policy, creating jobs where we can compete with other countries and stuff like that. i believe a lot of this -- you know, they talk about on the major news channels -- fox and cnn, all they talk about are things that are irrelevant to our real problems that we have to deal with. again --guest: you again mentioned fixing the border, i think it will be an important issue in the primary and in the presidential elections. a segment that the republicans really need to do better among if they are going to have a chance at capturing the white house not just in 2016 but in the years ahead. that is a problem that is not going away for republicans, it is only going to get bigger for them until they find out a way to talk about immigration in a way that can win. again, not that the majority latino vote -- they don't need that, but they need to make ettore inroads than they have made in recent years. pennsylvania, high. caller: thanks for taking my call. feel about the independence coming out, like dennis kucinich? one that interests me is jesse ventura. i would love to see him run, but the way that i see it is i see a desire for people to want to embrace the independent parties. let's look at this. the bushes, the clintons, hillary running in 2016? kind ofthat people are getting tired of it, and away. guest: again, i mentioned this before, but there is no question that there is a dynastic element to american politics with the clinton and bush running against each other again and as you say, it is genuinely unappealing to a lot of voters. i think that there are hidden advantages to that that are not always talked about, but at a gut level that can be unappealing. you have mentioned jesse ventura. i have not heard his name tossed have peopleyou do like rand paul among the republicans, as well as bernie sanders, speaking to that sense that there is just something not going right with the current two-party system that we have and it will be interesting to see how much of that independent spirit someone like rand paul or bernie sanders can soak up. host: maryland, democratic line, high. taking myank you for call. i consider the democratic rdn republican party the same. bernie sanders, i pray to god that he runs for president, he is the only individual in this whole country that understands what is wrong with the country and will pick up for the average person and kick the millionaires and billionaires in the and pick up for the middle class. thank you. questionhe big --guest: the big question is that he will have big fervent supporters, but will that be enough? and can he actually speak to folks who do not identify as of the progressive left and are not natural bernie sanders supporters but might economically benefit from those policies. again, bernie sanders is very optimistic that he can win back reagan democrats and speak to white, working-class voters in the south who have certain economic interests that may be aligned with the populist left. obviously, there will be some very fervent supporters, the question will be how big he can make his base of support. host: tony, texas, hello. caller: thank you for having me on. i think that the democrats have sold the country down the tube. they want to achieve votes. countryblicans sold the down the tube because they want cheap labor. bill o'reilly last night had a good, commonsense solution to the immigration problem. i am not a particular fan of his, but his solution was -- commonsense and spot on. that is my comment. host: it is obviously unlikely that there will be any immigration issue between now and 2016. guest: the republican party is adamant that there be no compromise right now. democrats have their own views on the issue and there is very little space or overlap, it appears, for compromise. i think it will be a very important issue in 2016 of the country needs to address, one way or the other tom a an important issue substantively for the country and it is important to the republican party which, i think in 2012 with mitt romney's comments in the primary, that didn't alienate voters in a way that was not helpful to his general election campaign. brett, louisiana. independent line, good morning. morning.ood my comments are -- first of all, the hypocrisy of the left, like hillary, for instance they will go through all means to protect the 300 people, the 300 little girls who were kidnapped but won't say one word about the up ins who are caught mexico? the more important thing is -- he or she is defending abortion rights because it is a woman's privilege. ity would understand that if is a woman's privilege, it is her body and they can do that, why is prostitution illegal? that is a choice that a woman has, it is harmless, and yet she will go to jail if someone puts a $100 bill on the table that night? yet she is able to wake up and kill the baby the man-made? i don't get it. that hypocrisy from hillary clinton that woman's body is her own, it contradicts. i will listen to your response. guest: we have obviously not to talk about the social conservative wing of the republican party and it exercises a lot of sway in the primaries. it was the reason that rick santorum was able to emerge as runner-up to rip -- to mid-romney in 2012. it will be interesting to see if social conservatives continue to exercise that influence in 2016. rick santorum is currently running a movie studio, but he may step away from that and go back into politics and run for president and if he does he would be a strong voice for the kinds of issues you're talking about. ted cruz is closely identified with social conservatives, scott walker as well. abortion is an issue that, obviously, the country is very split on. other social issues, it will be interesting to see how the republican candidates handle them and want to 16. by two years from now i think the country will be in terms of polling numbers very solidly behind gay marriage. seeill be interesting to how far right the republican electorate expects those candidates to move on gay marriage during the primaries. and whether they are able to pin it actor the center and speak a more tolerant language about gay issues coming in the general election. a profile on -- profile on someone named nate morris. they have emerged from kentucky. rand paul is in such an interesting position in the republican field. are of his advisers .ard-fought -- hard fought for a passionate part of the republican base with that has taken a lot of ,teps to broaden that appeal the symptom and cause of the move towards the center of the republican party. unlike many of the other advisers he is not someone who has any major links to his father, someone who is very much a creature of the gop establishment and someone who has emerged as a key bridge between rand paul and the donors in the establishment that you will need to mount that or the presidency. we wanted to focus on it for that reason. rand paul is reaching out to the establishment in other ways. the article about him opens with a scene of them visiting israel together. obviously, one of the issues ron paul was widely identified with was very anti-israel sentiment, which does not tend to play well within the republican party. it is clear that he was trying to make gestures that he was part of the more traditional republican establishment view on this policy. the newly redesigned version of "national journal," there it is again, richard just as our guest. florida, republican line, go ahead. maple, florida, go ahead. gina allen.ame is i am 94 years old. want to say that ted cruz can't run for president because he was born in canada. i read three of o'reilly's books. i read one of -- i don't remember his name, but he was political. i read newt gingrich. and of all the three men i think that newt gingrich was the smartest of the three men. host: thank you. guest: newt gingrich was obviously very successful in 2012 for a brief. of time. he is seen as being in and -- and intellectual with a lot of ideas. i think that some of those ideas give him more of a wacky persona within the republican party than can be ideal for a presidential candidate, but it will be interesting to see if he runs again. i don't think people are talking about him as a possible candidate. as i mentioned before, i think cruise is someone like christy who will have to deal with this question of persona. is he seen as too pugnacious, too angry to sell himself to the voters in the center? there is no question that there is a segment of the base that likes him a lot. tracy, we are just about out of time. could you go straight to your question or comment? caller: i don't understand why everyone is continually koran aiding hillary the inevitable democrat president. there is nothing that she has really accomplished in her positions that she has held. you cannot find anything positive that she has really done as far as health care. she is just not as accomplished and experienced as we would like to pretend that she is. host: that is tracy, from georgia. guest: there is this sense in the democrat party that it is kind of her term. it was kind of her turn in 2008, then this newcomer came along and became the nominee. there is this sense that because of that years later it is time for hillary, rightly or wrongly. i think that part of it is because the democratic field is not strong or deep. there is hillary and there is everyone else. it is a struggle to come up with a plausible names of who could wrest it from her. there are some people out there, but not huge number, and on the republican side huge number of people could win the nomination and i think there is a kind of disparity between the parties in that sense. host: we have talked about these stories in the magazine, can they still be found online? guest: absolutely. we have a beautiful website and it displays the longform writing in that format. richard just, thank you. today the release of the independent bipartisan report from the privacy and civil liberties committee. we go to that event right now. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] favor of opening the meeting, please say aye. time receiving unanimous consent to proceed, we will now proceed. after the meeting has been adjourned, we will not be having a press conference, but individual members of the board will be available to meet with the press. the board is convening today to formally adopt its report on the surveillance program operated pursuant to section 702 of the foreign intelligence surveillance act. section 702 permits the attorney general to join the authorize surveillance of targeted persons who are not u.s. persons who are recently believed to be outside of the united states with compelled assistance of electronic communication service providers in order to obtain foreign intelligence information. although u.s. worsens may not be targeted under section 702, communications of or concerning u.s. persons may be acquired. 702 program is extremely complex. it involves multiple agencies, collecting multiple types of information for multiple purposes. overall, the board has

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them and mocking such human garbage is all they really deserve. which brings me to two quick points. lone acts of terror by human garbage shouldn't affect our country's strength. the ideology is deadly but the threat is small and crushable, but only if we reject the cowardly cloak of modern tolerance. we slip out of that straitjacket and these ghouls lose their protective coating. who holds us back is phony outrage. second, if terrorists want us dead, then keeping them here makes absolutely no sense. both of these fiends who killed canadians this week had their passports revoked. if they wish to leave this country, why not let them. that's one less psycho here. but blocking their exodus here means they'll hit us here. so nlunless we round up the bad guys, we might as well hasten their exit. we pay the fare and blast their ass to jupiter when they land. call it space travel. i'll even spring for first class. eric, this is a thing that i don't understand -- >> go to bolling on that. >> you revoke passports which keeps -- you keep them from joining terrorists, which i get, but it's kind of half enforced because we don't do anything to them when they're here. like we don't put them away so why don't we just let them go and kill them over there? >> i guess the theory is revoke their passports, follow them around, listen to what they say, listen to the chatter and see if you can open up the -- pull the layers of the onion back and find a bigger terror plot. i just kind it very interesting, the process. the terror attack happens yesterday. yesterday the canadians call it terror, immediately, right away. then we find out this guy had some -- he converted to islam, et cetera, et cetera, had some issues, the passport was revo d revoked. why is it so hard for us to do the same thing. why is it such an off limits thing, when a guy stands up and kills 13 people, 13 or 14, depending on where you are with an unborn child, 14 i am, you can't call that terror, that's workplace violence. have they declared the oklahoma city beheading terror yet? have they done that yet? no, they haven't, right? but meanwhile they're more than willing to support the canadians calling it terror within hours of the terror attack. >> yeah. >> don't get it. >> it's weird. bob, remember yesterday we were talking about how there were several sources of chatter among these radical groups and yet we have one mentally ill person who acted alone. in a way isn't that good news, the fact that there was chatter and they only got one weirdo to act? >> what did you say the goats thing? >> nothing. >> okay. the one thing these people have in common, all of them as far as i can tell reading through their bios is that they're all criminals. they all have served time or have a long criminal record. >> criminal contact. >> yeah, so usually when you find people to do these lone attacks, you find people like timothy mcveigh who did this stuff in the oklahoma city bombing. these are unstable people. i don't think these are the kind of people you would put, if you were the leadership of isis, in charge of doing this. >> did you forget the other common thread, islam, not only the criminal link but there's a common thread that greg points -- how's this. not even us, "the new york times" points out and they go through them and they have an islamic background, either they were brought up through the islamic religion or converted to islam. what about that one? by the way, why did you pick mcveigh of all the incidences that you could have picked over the last 17 years, you wekt back to mcveigh. >> that was the most outrageous, atrocious attack and he was a right wing kook. >> kimberly, it seems to me that the isis strategy here is to rely on copycats of isolated losers. they're like galvanizing spree killers that have nothing to go for so it's not really organized, it's inciteful, it gets people going. >> right. and isis probably just assumed might behead these people too. they don't care about these guys. they care about, okay, let's get all the weirdos to go ahead, whether they self radicalize or not and let them commit acts of terror in the united states. my big problem with this is, one, the fact that we cannot affirmatively call this what it is, an act of terrorism. i really have a problem with them saying workplace violence, like in the case of major nidal hasan. we have to stand up to terrorism and put a stop to it. the first thing you should do is label it correctly, just with that being said. >> i want to go to this tweet from christopher hayes, who i believe is on another network, i'm not sure. >> never seen it. >> yeah, it's in anchorage, alaska. >> or out of his basement. >> he tweeted this. he said that awkward moment when you're sitting around waiting to find out the shooter's religion because it will determine how big a story it is. dana, does that reflect how the media is so fearful of linking terror to ideology? at least he's being honest. >> he is. but remember when the colorado mass murder happened, it was brian ross of abc news who immediately said, oh, he is a member of the tea party. and then it turned out that he wasn't. but they were looking for it. when they think it's tea party, then they have no party going ahead and assuming. when it's islam, then there is this islam phobia, that prevents them from going full bore after them. the other thing about these guys we are talking about, this lone wolf that is susceptible to radicalization, terrorists prey upon people who are weak. >> yes. >> and feel helpless and despondent. >> losers. >> well, people that feel like they have no help. one of the stories that don't get a lot of attention is the refugee camps in jordan. you have millions of people living in camps. they could end up being there for years. what happens during those years when you're a formative young person. the only thing that can help you get out of your situation is jihad. i think that the united states and other western civilization has an obligation to show them that there's a better way. >> right. >> let's remember hamas grew as a result of recruitment in the camps -- >> but did 9/11 hijackers, did they come from refugee camps? >> no. >> they were well educated. >> and well funded for that matter. >> point something out, greg. we said that both of these attacks in canada, the passports were revoked. we know monday the passport was revoked. i think there may be some question whether the second one yesterday, his passport was revoked or not. just thought i'd get that in. >> okay, cool. i want to go to this amazing tape. with every cowardly attack, there's always a hero. in this case kevin vickers shot dead the attacker. this is him entering parliament today, i believe. he is coming in to a standing o. this guy is an amazing dude. probably prevented -- >> mass murder. >> mass murder by acting fast and shooting that guy. i would like to think for every nathan cirillo there will be 100 isis heads on stakes. >> do you know what he's carrying? just curious. >> is that called a septer? >> he was part of canadian law enforcement for 30 years and never fired his weapon once in 30 years and this is the first time he fired it at someone. >> he's also protected foreign dignitaries and members of the royal family but this is a person that showed courage and strength and right away acted, thank god, because how many yards away there was 100 members of parliament including the p.m. and that's where the guy was headed. >> let's go show some tape of the prime minister calling the events of yesterday terror. >> fellow canadians, in the days to come, we will learn more about the terrorists and any accomplices he may have had, but this week's events are a grim reminder that canada is not immune to the types of terrorist attacks we have seen elsewhere around the world. >> may i? >> yes. >> thank god he was willing to do that. now if he can only get our own president to do the same thing ourks own administration tothin. because when you do define it as terror, you open up a whole different level of assets. you can get a joint terror task force involved, you don't have to worry about the accuser lawyering up and rules of evidence and speedy trials and what not. fall call it terror if it's terror. if it's not, go ahead and make the change. >> that's right. we weaken our position as a country because we're cutting ourself off in the legal system and with counterintelligence assets when you sit and call it workplace violence. it's not some irritated guy that you work with. this is someone who specifically is radicalized and committing these acts to efekt wait a purpose. >> do you think there's a reason or purpose they did that? i'm asking the question. >> no. >> i think there's a good political reason not to call it terror. then you can say there are no terror attacks under my watch. especially prior to a re-election. >> but i think they have identified some others as terrorists, right, so why do it for one and not the other. i'm just curious, i don't know. >> like the tsarnaev brothers was an act of terror. >> right. >> because it didn't happen in the workplace they couldn't call it that, could they? >> one of the strange things about this, and it's not to affix blame on canada at all, but the fact that whenever ray ceremonial is linked to a gun, it means it doesn't fire. i mean is that something that is -- should these guards be armed? >> in canada? >> since they're out in public and they're sitting ducks if they don't have a real gun. i mean i'm sure they have a reason not to. >> so as an american and having lived in d.c. a long time and been around a lot of that security, to me that answer seems very obvious. i think what stephen harper was trying to tell his nation, as he said, we are not immune. it is possible that they'll have to make a decision and change some things. i disagree with the notion that we take away our liberties if we actually arm law enforcement. i think that that's what they are there for and they want to be armed. otherwise they also become the victim. >> does anybody known what tomb of the unknown soldier's guards have -- the military has their weapons loaded? i don't know. >> yeah, neither do i. i want to go to another tweet from right after the attack. glenn greenwald, who is an investigative reporter, dana perino almost threw up just by hearing his name. canada, at war for 13 years. shocked that a terrorist attacked its soldiers. kimberly, what's your initial response to somebody basically saying it's your fault. he also went on in the article to say that terror is such an undefined word or you can't define terror. >> baloney. he should go hang out with the librarians and become a wordsmith because he's not offering any other redeeming commentary or insight by making a tweet like that. i'm just disappointed that we're still so reluctant -- it shows me their ignorance that they don't fully understand the situation. >> i think it's a confusion of blaming grievances versus ideology. so what glenn greenwald is saying is canada deserved it. that young soldier, of course he's going to be hit because canada has been tough on terror around the world. of course, canada, you deserve it. looking at it from a poichoint ideology, a terrorist seeks to kill an innocent person to advance their political agenda. those are two different things. i think a better way to look at terrorism is one based on ideology and not grievance. a grievance tries to explain it away, but it's murder. >> right. it is. did you want to say something, bob? >> no. no, i just -- no. >> the only thing -- i don't know where glenn greenwald is coming from with that comment but the isis tweet and i mentioned it yesterday, apparently what they're doing is they're saying any of the coalition members who are bombing isis, any attack that happens on any of the soil of those independent countries, i think australia was one, i think there was something that happened somewhere in england -- >> britain. >> britain maybe as well, they're taking credit for it. they say we are everywhere. you attack us -- >> even if they're not. they're just using it as propaganda. we don't know that. i'm actually curious to find that out. what sort of chatter do we have and what sort of chatter do we not have, glenn greenwald. >> exactly. coming up, chuck todd complains about fox news. what else is new. what the whiskered warbler had to say about us this time, next. look at him. i'm actually curious to find look at him. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle, see how much you could save. everyone is looking for ways while to cut expenses.s unique, [ male announcer ] great rates for great rides. and that's where pg&e's online business energy checkup tool can really help. you can use it to track your actual energy use. find rebates that make equipment upgrades more affordable. even develop a customized energy plan for your company. think of it as a way to take more control over your operating costs. and yet another energy saving opportunity from pg&e. find new ways to save energy and money with pg&e's business energy check-up. nbc's chuck todd describes himself as a stubbornly neutral journalist. couple days ago, the "meet the press" host sad down with a radical left wing hack group, media matters, whose sole purpose is to go after organizations like fox news. he told them this, i think it's amusing to me their obsession with trying to make everything about media bias, whatever story is out there, there's always some sort of supposed media bias angle to it. well, chuck, here's one of the reasons we have to talk about media bias. you are the pot calling the kettle black. remember back in 2006 when the media had this to say during the midterm elections when president bush was in office. >> when support for the war in iraq also losing ground, many republican candidates for office are putting some distance between themselves and the president. >> two weeks from tomorrow, election day, and we have new indications it is shaping up to be a very difficult election for republicans. >> now fast forward to this year a new media research study shows the network evening newscasts have essentially blacked out bad election news for democrats. look at that, in the blue, that was 2006 when george bush was having a tough time in the midterm election. and in the red -- or in the first case it was zero mentions. in the red, that's president obama. let me start with dana. are you surprised about the lack of coverage of this bad election cycle for president obama by the major outlets? >> i am not surprised. they don't shock me anymore. but they always disappoint me. i am surprised that chuck todd would do an interview with media matters. this is guy who is now the anchor of that program "meet the press." he could do an interview with "the new york times" magazine or "gq" magazine but he chose to do something with media matters, which i think is strange. i agree he is more neutral than most but if you look at that media research center review of the midterms that basically don't even report on their own poll. a couple of weeks ago there was a poll that nbc news had about -- that showed republicans doing well and nbc didn't even report on its own poll. >> you know, greg, and in the 2006 midterm, the democrats split both the house and the senate. they won seats to win them both. there's a good chance republicans will do it this time but nobody is talking about it on mainstream media. >> because it's depressing to them and makes them very sad. you have to forgive chuck todd, he's been in the belly of the beast so long that the stomach acid has worn down his brain. perfect example of how media bias works. yesterday we did a pretty strong piece on a video in which feminists used young girls to say lewd things for a feminist cause. he didn't cover it. if it was the nra doing the video, he would have covered it. that's how bias works. fox news wasn't created as something to fight liberalism, it was fighting bias, which was a documented fact in this industry that there is bias. that's what makes chuck todd so skittish, because he's really the target. >> kimberly. >> yeah, look, this is -- i don't know why, i think it was beneath him to go and do that interview. i don't understand what was to gain on that. of course they don't want to cover anything that takes them away from their happy place, okay. so the thought of losing seats disturbs them greatly. they have sleepless nights so they're not going to talk about it, how the republicans have momentum or how they're on target to be able to get seats and this is going to change the dynamics of the political equation. they're not interested in covering that. >> if you guys are really in control, could you put that little media thing back up, bobby, you're a numbers guy. you can't dispute the fact. look at the numbers. >> yeah, i can understand why there would be reactions like that. i don't know todd -- i don't know this guy, but i would be a little cautious about going on with media matters, for example. >> talk about that poll. >> let me just say one thing for a second. this election has been wholly the worst election i've ever seen in terms of something positive coming out of either side. the democrats are as bad as the republicans. the only news outlet that i've seen so far -- >> you don't want to talk about that graph there, though? in the blue is george bush. >> when it's bad for bush, they do a lot of stories. when it's bad for obama, they bury it. that's the formula. >> so we sit back here and say this and it's true -- how many shows -- well, never mind, i'll talk about our own show. nobody has gotten interested in this election. very little coverage, except "usa today." >> i think they're trying to suppress voter turnout. and actually it would work in president obama's favor if they covered the races a lot. look at all the embarrassments from the senate democratic candidates. arguably as bad as some of the things that happened in 2012 with republican candidates that embarrassed the republican party. wendy davis is terrible in texas. you've got embarrassing situation with kay hagan not showing up to her own debate. >> the democratic -- >> i'm allison lundergan grimes and this is the big sandy power plant in kentucky. they're shutting down half the plant and laying off the workers because mitch mcconnell didn't fight to get the scrubbers it needs to reduce coal emissions. instead mitch and his wife pocketed $600,000 from enemies of coal, including new york city mayor michael bloomberg. i approve this message because the difference between mitch and me is that i'll fight for these jobs and no new york anti-coal billionaire will ever buy me off. >> wow. >> well, it's an effective ad if it was true and she was on the other ticket. but this is you know what president obama says. say whatever you've got to say to get the win. the ends will justify the means. >> i'm chuckling -- who in the -- what party does not say do what you have to say to get yourself elected. this is politics. this is not bean bag we're talking about here. there's high stakes here and of course you're going to do things like that. >> but she's lying. the washington post fact checker said it is the worst ad of a nasty campaign year and grimes should be ashamed of herself. this is not mcconnell saying this, it's the washington post fact checker saying this about her. >> i've done many of these things before. >> you're saying you don't care whatever it takes, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. >> i didn't know this was the popes of norville here. you guys come in late -- >> it's amazing, though, when -- if you do a real ad with honesty, that's considered hurtful. like you actually do something about crime or if you do something about cronyism. the other side -- people will go my god, that's just awful. they don't say it's a lie. when you lie, it's like everybody does it. a politician lying is like a monk chanting, it's what they do. >> she's trying to confuse the voters. oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the one that's for coal. >> real quick. i wish these guys would poll local news stations and big newspapers in the state. you'll find out that the coverage of this election was terrible everywhere. >> we'll leave it right there. should americans who are uninformed go out to vote? 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>> media matters. >> unfortunately, yeah, what they did is took a headline and said kimberly guilfoyle says young women should not vote. i made a joke, yeah, if i wanted to thank someone and excuse someone from jury service that is the language you use in the courtroom. they want to go back and do social media, dating websites, fine. nothing about voting. i take the right to vote very seriously. i take the right to serve on a jury very seriously and i think you should be informed when you do both things. >> so you're saying to get out of jury duty, i should cross dress? >> well -- >> because i have been and it hasn't been working. >> no, you have to be young. >> oh, i'm not young. >> can i say one thing about this. media matters lines up on my side politically. if you're going to do something like this, you've got to be sure you're doing it right. >> that never enters your mind. >> it's not just them, it happens in other places. but i think this one was particularly egregious because it was exactly opposite of what you were talking about. so get your act together, guys. >> unfortunately, they made that headline and the liberal media ran with it and used the headline that they manufactured when there was not one iota of truth in it. >> supposedly the huff post picked it up. they must have writers, let's see what media matters puts up anti-fox. >> right, that's what it is. >> and let's spread this garbage as far as we can spread it. >> but it does show the lie behind militant feminism in that they willig nor attacks on conservative women like sarah palin with words we can't repeat. you rarely see them going after attacks on women -- there was a stoning of a woman yesterday by isis for adultery. and the brothel where women are being raped repeatedly. so these things to them are not in their world. however, oh, commentator on a talk show on fox news. i can take those words and turn it into something outrageous. it's their little rubik's cube. that's what they do. they don't care about the real things in life. >> yeah, like crimes against women and children and outreach to minority communities and serving on the board of places like girls source when i was back in san francisco to help out young women in disadvantaged neighborhoods. my point is you've been given a powerful blessing in life in this country to be able to vote and to sit on a jury, so come equipped, come prepared because you don't want to dilute the votes out there because you were uninformed and spoon fed something that's inaccurate or you don't even bother to equip yourself with the facts, anybody out there. this goes for everyone. >> you're going to have a hard time getting these people up to speed on these issues. can i just say one thing in defense of these people. every special interest, the last two weeks of an election is going to their best message. they don't focus on islamophobia. they don't focus on women. they should. but they only have one shot at buying 30-second ads and go after the one thing that will stir up their voters. >> we're not talking about ads, i'm just talking about long-term ideology. media matters, who makes a habit -- it's almost their only focus is attacking fox and fox personalities. >> and making it up. >> and they'll twist it and turn some words around and then rewrite the piece to make it look like someone says something. >> and they'll put a headline that's inaccurate, erroneous and shapeful. >> yet, they call themselves a 501 c 3 or 4 or tax-exempt organization, which is ludicrous. >> and that is that. when we come back, is the obama administration secretly planning to grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants? 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>> the administration continues to place a priority in ensuring that the american public is protected and safe. >> how can you say that when several months ago jay carney said don't worry about it. >> i'm not in a position to discuss individual cases. >> ed got stiff armed. immigration and custom enforcement acknowledges that it's true but says that those released cases were by and large dictated by special circumstances outside of the agency's control. kimberly, can i ask you about that. are they talking about other sort of legal maneuvers these people might have been involved in which is why they apparently didn't have control over their outcome? >> what they're saying is somewhere along the way in the process, they lost control of it essentially. they don't want to say that but that's what they're inferring. somewhere in the court system there was a disconnect -- >> or a deal? >> or a deal made specifically that affected this outcome. but this is how people can slip through and get -- it doesn't matter. it's like obamacare. it was sloppy, it wasn't ready to go for game time and this also, i think, was done in a haphazard, reckless way and all i can think about is politics being involved here and getting people to support you in the future that you hand out green cards and immigration -- >> let me combine this with a question about the green cards. yesterday it was reported that the obama administration is planning -- well, they have ordered 34 million work permits and green cards. they have ordered the card stock which requires an rfid chip and they have to procure this so they have let out a contract bid asking for people who could supply all of these additional green cards that we may or may not need. the white house today tried to say that shouldn't imply that the administration is going to do this by executive order. but bob, that's playing a little fast and loose with the truth. >> yeah, it is. but the reality is that they can't do 34 million people. it would be not just politically impossible, it's also legally impossible, i think, until you have an act of congress. can i just go back to slipping through the legal system in this country. it happens all the time. this is a very small number of people out of the total universe we're talking about. yes, some people slip through and yes it should have been done better but it's been going on for 100 years. >> it's okay that jay carney told everybody that wasn't the case? >> he probably doesn't know. i'm not trying to defend jay carney but take any number of these in any administration and there's going to be people slipping through the cracks. it just happens. >> can i refute that? >> okay, fine, maybe he didn't know, don't guarantee and promise that it's not going to be high level criminals like murder, rape, assault, armed ron re. he literally said possibly low level. and he didn't say these were going to be -- the 2200 with massive records -- >> they don't all have massive records. >> then don't say anything. don't make the promise knowing that very well there's a good chance you're going to be wrong a year later. why would you do that? okay, it's bad enough that we let out criminals, hardened criminals, but it's worse that the white house said we're not going to let out hardened criminals. there's the problem. >> and that's my question to you, greg. how can you trust the administration -- they're going to want to try to push forward a deal for the 11 million or so that they assume are here and there will be maybe a debate in congress or maybe the president will do it himself. but having something like this come out right beforehand doesn't necessarily engender trust. >> how can i trust you? >> me? >> this is so hateful calling these criminals like kidnappers and murderers, so bigoted. why use these labels? i mean they're undocumented transgressors. get it into your head. these labels, all they do is they smear people and they're people. yes, they're rapists and they're killers and they're kidnappers, but underneath all of that, they're just people like you and me who deserve a chance. by the way, once again to get your ideological vision to prevail in america, you have to lie to everybody or you have to hide it. so if you're a liberal, you've got to ask yourself, if you lie to others to prevail then essentially you're lying to yourself so why don't you just drop the act and grow up. >> what if we're talking about ten people here? >> we're not. we're talking about hundreds of people. >> how do we know that? >> because there was a study put out, somewhere around 600 have higher level crimes. here's why it matters. when they do try and do executive fiat to let -- let's call it five million people say, right? they're going to say don't worry, we're not going to let the criminals. clearly they don't know who the criminals are. >> eric, the chances of getting five million people here is going to be struck down by the courts. >> are they not talking about that? >> right now they're trying to get away from this topic for the elections. >> okay. >> thank you. >> we'll talk about this in november. >> then why do they leak out the fact that they asked for this contract then? i think that was actually to show some apiecement. >> i think they're trying to have it both ways when it comes to the hispanic vote. people are trying to motivate bases. everybody says the republicans are motivated. you know something nobody ever asks about? independents. independents are a key part to win big time in this country and nobody has a gauge on what independents are doing. >> and it's a fun show to watch on fbn, you should catch it. >> that was a very nice plug. pay it forward. next, the annual government waste book is out and it's not a funny read but jimmy kimmel found a clever way to get us to laugh about it. >> let's see if you can tell the difference between a real government expenditure from waste book and an idea a stoner came up with on his own, okay? a room full of monkeys playing video games to unlock the secrets of free will. stoner or government expenditure? and the answer is? >> when "the five" return. welcome to the fastest 1:30 of tv. the government has a bad habit of spending money on silly things. each year senator tom coburn likes to point that out. jimmy kim el camel came up withe to see you could tell if it was a government expenditure or stoner. >> yeah, that was a government expenditure. mountain lion on a treadmill. a metal foil that could keep mountains cold. that was a stoner. >> a microchip that could read cats' emotions. >> this is one of your favorite topics. what do you think? >> we don't have a lot of time. you could do pages and pages of this ridiculous funding. it's a joke. it's an absolute joke. >> i don't mind saying so, coburn's list is a joke. >> why? >> because the guy is not very well pretexted. he comes up with $25 billion. i don't come up with anything near that. >> it's bob math. >> no, it's not bob math. it's coburn math from oklahoma. they do something different here. >> oh, here we go. here we go. >> dana, what do you think. >> >> i would put senator coburn's word up against yours any time. i hope he passes the baton. i think ridicule is the way to help change things? government. >> it is a good tool, isn't it? it's effective. it made it on your show. >> here is the problem with liberals. if you love government so much, then you should be the most vocal over its abuses, right? rather than defend it, you should discipline it because if you're not, you're like a rotten child that indulges -- a rotten parent that indulges a rotten child. if you love your government, you should want to change it. >> make it better. >> that's the reason i was trying to make this point. every time we have to defend this and they come up with these outrageous things -- >> don't you want to know the truth, if there are abuses in government and funds that could be going to other important causes? one more thing, bob. >> you wonder why chris christie is a dangerous candidate for the republican nomination process. look what he said about minimum wage. >> i have to tell you the truth. i'm tired of hearing about the minimum wage. i don't think there's a mother or father sitting around the kitchen table saying you know, honey, if our son or daughter could just make minimum wage, all our dreams would be realized. >> there are millions and millions who get by and they live in poverty. >> not true. >> can i have my segment without somebody jumping on it just once? never mind. >> just go. >> bob, this was a segment we were going to do yesterday and it's not fair to do its as a political thing. it's not fair. >> you cannot tell someone that you are pregnant with their child on facebook and count that as notice. a woman got pregnant from a relationship, she posted it on facebook, he didn't get the message, the court came down and said that was not sufficient notice to terminate the father's parental rights. however, remember another story in related news, facebook, legally parents might be responsible for the posts of their children. >> bob, i'm ceding my one more thing time to you. >> no, that's all right. >> i want to. i want to. >> it got knocked off, right? you can laugh about it all you want. i had to try to get over the george washington bridge yesterday and i had a hard time doing it. you want to defend that guy? >> how is it your fault you couldn't get across the george washington bridge yesterday? >> they haven't fixed it yet. i'm sure they will. >> dana? >> bob said this has been the most boring election but it was not that boring in vermont where you have seven gubernatorial candidates and they had a debate. >> take a look. >> most of what we discuss ton will not be relevant to me. >> someone had given $5 million to a ski resort to buy a new snow blower. peter, did you do it? >> what is more important to you, if you could have all the money in the world or all the love in the world? >> i guess i'll just pour this bottle of water on my table here. >> the democratic incumbent is up by 14 points and likely to win, despite that competition. >> abe sanja jumped the white house fence. this guy punches and kicks those two dogs -- >> why did they pull the dogs off of him? and he's jumped before. >> that's it for us. "special report" is next. keep the camera on me. a huge victory for the irs, and a huge setback for conservatives in the tax agency's targeting scandal. this is "special report." >> good evening. i'm bret baier. no harm, no foul. that's the general thrust of a federal judge's decision today, the irs over its targeting conservative groups for extra scrutiny. good evening, shannon. >> hello, bret. the leader of a conservative

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world and the ryan republican faction. these days the front page of bannon's old stomping ground, breitbart, suggests that trump's white house is in a full-on civil war with the battle for trump's right-hand man reaching game of thrones level proportions. the alt-right blog has led the charge in blaming paul ryan for the health bill's failure. it's also starting chatter as replacing ryan as speaker of the house pinning the stunning health care loss on ryan. after trump set a tweet about janine's fox show another right wing outlet got involved. >> now, i certainly have not spoken with the president about any of this, but i can only imagine that he and his aides took on health care because they believed you had his back and you didn't. paul ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house. >> as these internal republican factions solidify and we learn just how much control trump has over them, perhaps the lesson learned is when your party plays the game of thrones, you win, or your bill and your clout die. joining me now, scott ross, executive director of one wisconsin now, former breitbart media consultant kurt bodela, e.j. dion ne, author with joy reid of "we are the change we seek" and charlie sykes. gentlemen, thank you all very much for being here. kurt, i've got to start with you. you used to work at breitbart, you know steve bannon. i want to throw up this steve bannon quote. it's element one and then we'll go to element two. this is a quote about the health care fallout. the hill article was reporting on the report, bannon apparently had a conversation with the freedom caucus in the eisenhower executive office building when some members visited the white house. he said guys, look, this is not a discussion, this is not a debate. you have no choice but to vote for this bill. here's the responses quote, which i love, according to the report. one of the freedom caucus members said about what bannon said, one of the members replied, you know, the last time someone ordered me to do something, i was 18 years old, and it was my daddy, and i didn't listen to him either. is this the steve bannon you know, the person who walks in and just says you will do this or else? >> yeah. i've said before steve ran breitbart very much like a dictatorship. it was his way or the highway. he had no appetite for dissention, no appetite for pushback, no dissent opinions. he had no appetite for people against his world view. in this case, when steve bannon walks into a room, he expec everyone to fall in line. if not, he'll tell his bos to go create an enemies list. >> okay. so if not, create an enemies list, but personalitywise how does steve bannon react to humiliating defeat? >> i would say he's never experienced anything quite like this but steve will work on retribution. i guarantee right now he is actively plotting to try to take down anyone who's been an obstacle to him. >> e.j., does that make any sense whatsoever in the world of politics or white house politics to create an enemies list especially after your first legislative defeat? >> well, the last guy who had an enemies list didn't do very well with it a long time ago. i am struck we're watching fox news. this is like the old kremlin and you read to find out who's going to be purged next. this is kind of crazy. trump is very good at one thing, which is blaming other people for failures. i think what you're seeing here are trump people blaming ryan, congressional people blaming trump, and they are both right, because i recommend everybody read tim alberta's great piece in politico this weekend. he's a conservative journalist, got really inside this process. two things emerged from that. one is trump had no idea what was in this bill. he didn't care. he used an expleve toalk about the details, a that didn't help him win any support for this bill. he thought he could do what bannon did, you vote with me or else and people said i'll take the or else. then with ryan, he didn't work this the way obama, pelosi and reid worked health care. he thought he could pull this thing off the shelf, get people to vote for it and move on to tax cuts. of course this bill was tax cuts. that didn't work either. and really significant, he didn't just lose freedom caucus people, i think all these demonstrations you've seen out there had a real effect on some of these non-far right republicans who said, wait a minute, i don't think it's a good idea to vote to take health insurance away from all these people so it was a fundamental faf failure of substance and not just politics. >> and you're talking about the town halls. >> yeah. >> charlie sykes, let me bring you into your conversation and get your reaction to what you've just heard and what you think about what the hell is happening with the white house and this huge failure? >> it is a huge failure. it's a humiliating failure. it's interesting that the new gop strategy or the trump world strategy is to come down from the hills and shoot the wounded. two things are happening this morning that are very, very interesting. number one, trump is lashing out at the conservative groups that opposed the health care bill. at the same time, he's outsourcing the attack on paul ryan to the low brow fans at breitbart and fox news. so he's opened a two-front war here, which is he's going after the conservatives that opposed him but also the conservatives that supported him, what could possibly go wrong here? this is an interesting moment. and i know now people are talking about well is donald trump going to pivot to the left on the infrastructure bill? good luc withthat. i'll be very interested to know how many democrats are going to be willing to enter into the bargain that has not worked out well for republicans so far. >> scott, let me bring you in here. before i get you to talk, let's play element three, and the lovefest between president trump and speaker ryan in the immediate aftermath of the debacle on friday. >> the president gave his all in this effort. he did everything he possibly could to help people see the opportunity that we had with this bill. he's really been fantastic. still, we've got to do better and we will. >> you're confident of speaker ryan's leadership and his ability to get things done? >> yes, i am. i like speaker ryan. he worked very, very hard. a lot of different groups, he's got a lot of factions and there's been a long history of liking and disliking, even within the republican party long before i got here. >> and so the very nice words from the president on friday. but as we saw janine pero go after speaker ryan and whether he should remain as speaker, you're from wisconsin. does speaker ryan deserve the brick bats that he's getting in all of this? >> listen, paul ryan has been the sacred cow of wisconsin politics for 18 years. and what we have seen is any time the guy has to take a punch, like, foinr instance, i 0 2012, he lost his ward 2-1. he lost the city of janesville. over and over again you see paul ryan is propped up as this genius of policy. he's had seven years to craft a policy. what he comes up with is 24 million people cut from their health care. you pay more for less care. i guess the onlyhing that lasted shorter than ryancare was scott walker's presidential bid last year. >> you say that with some satisfaction. >> and a bit of relish. >> i just say that if steve bannon and paul ryan are going to go at it, who's going to win? a, steve bannon, b, paul ryan, or c, all of us who get to watch. >> i want to bring in one other person we haven't talked about and that is chief of staff reince priebus. let me put up element four, i should have warned the control room before. but there's a whole blame reince faction out there. this is from saturday "new york times." increasingly the blame has fallen on reince priebus who coordinated the initial legislative strategy on the health care repeal with speaker paul ryan, his close friend and felly wisconsin native, according to three people briefed on the president's recent discussions. and then today on "fox news sunday" chris wallace asked the chief of staff are you in trouble? and of course the answer was, no, i'm not in trouble. i'm not in trouble at all. i talked to the president. we get along just fine. but what else is he going to say? and to that i want to bring in a very special guest to get her reaction to all of this, ryan, bannon, priebus, and that is the host of "a.m. joy," joy reid. joy, what do you make of all of this? >> fresh from running up three flights of stairs in heels so don't say that women can't rule the world. it's very interesting. so you had president trump blame democrats really sort of oddly yesterday and democrats were like, yes, thank you, please blame us because we want to take the credit for killing this horrible bill and then he wakes up a sends this tweet blaming the club for growth and the freedom caucus. trump doesn't seem to care that much about health care but he did deploy this very green team. reince priebus does not have experience passing legislation on capitol hill. the quality of his staff i think is not the best. so it is interesting that now he's turning on all of these conservative groups. who's he going to turn to to do his next tax cuts. >> charlie, let me bring you back into this discussion. does it make much sense for the president to wage this all-out war, all-out battle on fellow republicans, moderate and conservative, what have you, when he's got, what is this, day 65? he's got three and a half more years -- >> feels like five years, doesn't it? >> he's got three and a half more years of presidenting to do and legislative accomplishments that he hopes to make. how can he make them if he's at war with his own party? >> yeah, so far the only president who had a worse 100 first days would be william henry harrison who didn't last past 30 days. this is what is so dangerous for the republican governing majority at this point. you had this disaster on friday. the president made it really clear he didn't care that much, he wasn't engaged, he wasn't passionate, he never bothered to learn the details of the bill. now by outsourcing the attacks and allowing the long knives to come out, i think he puts his entire agenda at risk unless somehow in some alternative universe chuck schumer is going to come forward and say let's work together, let's pass this huge infrastructure bill which will further tear apart the republican majority, will further tear apart conservative support. so i'm not sure that you're seeing as much of a strategy as you're seeing t president's lack of impulse control, lash out at people who didn't bow the knee. >> first of all, i salute charlie for bringing in william henry harrison. that's so good to have somebody with a historical sense. i think the attack on priebus is a kind of dodge to attack ryan. that priebus is ryan's guy and it's easier at the moment to go after priebus. parts of the white house have been going at him a long time. and charlie is right, if he were to turn to democrats, a, democrats are a whole lot less inclined to work with him on infrastructure today than they might have been the week after the election. everything he's done has been to attack president obama, attack hillary clinton, attack democrats, attack obamacare. so he's lost the room -- some room to do that. and as charlie said, if he ever did do that, he would just completely blow up the republican party. so these aren't good choices. >> and democrats also want to be re-elected and their grassroots, which really led the opposition to this bill, have made it very clear that working with donald trump is not an option. i have a question for kurt but i have to share this graphic that chuck just used on "meet the press" that talked about the amount of time spent working on trying to get these things done. obamacare, 187 legislative days, welfare reform 66, tax reform, 323. they spent 17 days on this trumpcare bill, 17 days. but i am curious to ask kurt because this civil war that we've known has been going on below the surface between the bannon faction, the breitbart faction and the priebus faction, reince priebus, the vice president and paul ryan, is this now going to be open warfare? because it does seem that trump has decided to make w on the freedom caucus, but the freedom caucus is making war on ryan. it kind of helps him, right? because the freedom caucus has already half destroyed paul ryan. are we really seeing the breitbartians trying to take ryan down? >> in the immediate aftermath of health care being pulled, breitbart had a front page about a coup against ryan. so i think there's no question we have open warfare. it went from this is the democrats' fault. of course i forgot all the meetings that the democrats were invited to the white house. what happened to those? it went from that to, okay, now it's paul ryan's fault, now it's the freedom caucus, now it's the freedom partners in heritage, they have moved so quickly away from blaming the democrats because it was laughable and not believable, but now they have no choice but to do open warfare. it's game of thrones. they're trying to all survive. all these competing factions. trump is known for jumping around, listening to one person here, one person there. whatever sticks that moment is where he goes and nobody wants to lose their seat next to the president. it's not an accident and it's been observed that steve bannon goes everywhere with trump. he has taken a job not as chief of staff. he didn't want to be in charge of the minutia that takes you out of the room and not sitting next to the president all day. >> the advantage that ryan has, nobody in his or her right mind wants his jobightow and that's why he might be able to keep it. >> that's exactly it. i want to thank you to kurt bardella. the others will be back and so will i because i'm giving joy her show 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dents. i'd expect more dents. make a strong decision. find your tag and get 15% below msrp on select 2017 silverado 1500 crew cabs in stock. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. the committee will ask director comey and admiral rogers to appear in closed session and will postpone the previously scheduled march 28th hearing in order to make time available for director comey and admiral rogers. >> when devin nunes abruptly canceled the second public hearing in the house's probe into russia's meddling in the election, adam schiff made no bones about what he thought was really going on. he tweeted breaking. chairman just cancelled open intelligence committee hearing with clapper, brennan and yates in attempt to choke off public info. well, as of now we have no idea when nunes will release his stranglehold on that information to the public. what we do know is that in the meantime the list of questions that need answering only grows longer because we can now add this one to the list. the bombshell revelation from former cia director james woo s woolsey, the allegation that michael flynn brainstormed with turkish officials on how to seize turkish cleric, who is a legal u.s. resident, and send him to turkey in what woolsey described as a covert step in the dead of night to whisk this guy away. wow. joining me are former state department spokesperson, naayera hawk. naveed jamali. i'm going to start with you here at the table. this is a bizarre story, this idea that mike flynn, who would become the national security advisor to donald trump, was essentially going to rendition a green card holding turkish citizen to turkey. is that even legal? >> and this is going to be the fascinating part of this. all immigrants who come from another country to the united states and believe the united states is their home and go through the legal process to become permanent legal residents are worried about exactly the situation where a tie potentially to a previous country you no longer consider home is enough grounds to be whisked away in the middle of the night. this is another step of the trump administration undermining the rights not just of immigrants but of the judicial system in this op-ed that flynn wrote in the hill right before the election, he mentioned that this -- lambasting this cleric and mentioned that the judicial system should work against him. that's, again, political pressure on the judicial system. it is another step in politicizing our national security. >> and this is a cleric named gulen. he is considered by the government of turkey, they believe that he was behind a plot that was an attempted coup against the autocrat that runs turkey, a coup that just happens to have taken place, malcolm nance, on the same day that mike pence was nominated to be donald trump's vice president. there was a story in a government newspaper, basically a mouthpiece of the turkish government that talked about michael flynn having this meeting, and this is a january, 2017 article, that michael flynn met with the foreign minister of turkey. here's an interesting little nugget that they mentioned. it says house intelligence committee congressman, devin nunes, a republican heavyweight, also attended the breakfast. that's weird. what do you think, malcolm? >> that's beyond weird. i mean we are in a -- we are well through the looking glass today. i mean what we have here is a situation that a foreign source, verified by a former director of central intelligence, that there was an act of conspiracy by the incoming national security advisor and the incoming chair of the house intelligence committee to actually abduct a permanent u.s. residence and rendition him covertly to a foreign power while under pay from that foreign power. that violates the u.s. code section 1201 for kidnapping. that is a federal felony and will end you up at the federal courthouse in arlington. i believe if this is true, this is where michael flynn is going to spill the beans. he is going to be brought in on this. they are going to pressure him on that. and he is just going to talk about everything to get himself out. he is graced at this point. if this has the slightest whiff of truth. jim woolsey is a pretty straight-up guy. if that is true, an american citizen planning to abduct another resident of this country in order to satisfy his foreign pay master, this now goes from espionage to criminal rico conspiracy. >> and let's not forget it was malcolm nance who said he thought it was flynn that was going to flip. i was floating manafort but this is the guy that said flynn. you now have a harvard university professor saying on friday saying her sources say they might have already cut a deal with the fbi. he may have beaten paul manafort and others in that foot race. the other strange thing that you're seeing now is a potential that the white house may be looking to sort of clean up after itself a little bit. you had the reporting from our own andrea mitchell that white house people, people in the white house are blanking their phones, are going back and purging what's in their phones. we just had from politico on friday the news that the tv surrogate in the white house, pushed out.pshteyn is being the story is reading as if its his green room antics. he's a very blelligerent force n the green rooms but he's also a russia national. i wonder if it has more to do with his business or personal ties than his green room shenanigans. >> i was always taught when working with the fbi. if you have to lie to the russians, don't look down and to the left because that's a tell. this is a tell. the white house by just culling heads here, they look guilty. whether they are or not, it is a move -- look, as you said, boris was born in russia. there was a whole host of baggage that came with him. i believe he was arrested for -- he has -- he has a very strong reputation, not a very positive one, as you alluded to. so whatever the truth about boris, i think what this does is just make the white house look guilty. the fact is that they are going to start removing people, which frankly as we saw with michael flynn, these people should have never been let in in the first place. they should have done the basic security background vetting. and now if they're going to start cutting people after the fact, it looks like michael flynn saying, oh, by the way, i could have registered as a foreign agent for turkey. oops, forgot about that. it's a little too little too late. i agree with malcolm, this is -- i think we're starting to see the death spiral here. >> and we should note that we have no idea why boris has left the white house. we don't know. as i said, the stories on its face, they just talk about the fact that he was not welcome in a lot of green rooms because of his behavior. you just don't know at this point. the point is this is either a series of ince coincidences, lots and lots and lots, lots of people with ties to russia, lots of people not registering as a foreign agent and being an agent for turkey or russia. it's a lot. have you in your experience in working in government, in working in the state department ever seen this series of things, even a vanishing member of congress, devin nunes, literally vanishing, getting out of his uber, taking a phone call and then disappearing and the next day announcing he's got some evidence that he's walked back from. in your view can this all be coincidental. >> very, very difficult for it to be coincidental if people were doing their jobs. the jobs you're supposed to do in the transition is to vet people. when you apply for a security clearance, you have to give up ten years of extremely detailed information that most people have to go back and look atd records to even remember where they were, where they were living and what they were doing at the time. that doesn't seem like it happened with a majority of the people who are close to president trump and in the white house right now. so that's a security problem right there. and then there's the national security interest of the connections. this is the party that used to be reagan's party, that used to be all about the cold war and breaking down the gridlock and the hold that the russians had on europe. and now it is the party that is bending over backwards to clean the slate and make it look like working with russia is the greatest thing since sliced bread. so the irony there is unreal and how quickly that turned in the last three or four months. the only reason that is, is because you have republicans in congress who feel they have to defend their president, their party's president, who frankly doesn't seem to show any loyalty in turn. we saw how he threw paul ryan under the bus for health care. he got rid of flynn in two seconds. he's getting rid of boris. all these people, corey lewandowski, paul manafort, even back in the campaign. trump's loyalty is to himself. all these people who are trying to defend him, they're going to be hanging dry and running to do fbi to explain. >> the web is very weird. let's not forget we elected a president who back in the '80s was putting himself forward as the guys who could negotiate a nuclear deal with russia. >> and a head of the state department who had the order of freedom. >> it's all weird. it could be all coincidental, we just don't know. thank you very much to our team talking about russiagate. coming up, vladimir putin has a favorite in the upcoming presidential election in france. will trumpism continue to spread across the globe? stay with us. a big thank you to all our lovely viewers who helped us trend nationally at number one just ten minutes into saturday's show and kept it up well into the afternoon. as always, you can join in the conversation using #amjoy on twitter and be sure to follow me on twitter, facebook, instagram and snapchat for a fun look at what's happeng behind the scenes. coming up, democrats fight back 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nayyera and e.j. and joining me is christopher dickey. christopher, great piece that you wrote. talk a little about this interference. the "the guardian" has a headline saying putin told le pen that russia has no plans to meddle in the french election. you say that is balderdash. >> reporter: it's absolutely balderdash. he received marine le pen as if she were a head of state. she was shown to museums, she was meeting with the lower -- the leader of the lower house of parliament in russia. then she went and saw putin. she wasn't on the official schedule but immediately the kremlin released photographs of putin and le pen sitting together conferring so she would look statesman-like which is something very few would have said about marine le pen. there's no doubt. in the weekend paper it said he dubbed her as if dubbing a knight his candidate. >> and why does putin want marine le pen to be the president of france? >> reporter: to destroy europe. i mean let's just be blunt about it. she wants to full france out of the european union. she's against nato. she favors putin's position in ukraine and crimea. she would allow him to redraw the borders of eastern europe. all of that is perfectly clear and explicit, so of course he favors her. he also thinks that she has a chance, which a lot of people had not given her until very reechbl recently. >> e.j., you were a reporter and journalist in paris so you covered doings there. do you think marine le pen with donald trump now in the white house and people see that style of government operating in the united states, does she still have a chance? i think tmp may do the world a bit of a favor bause a lot of europeans are now looking at what we are going through and turning on their far right. you saw that a little bit in the dutch elections already. >> sure. >> le pen is running behind. what putin is doing is really fascinating. we talked about in the olden days there was a communist international supported by moscow. putin is establishing a new far right international. he's supporting anti-nato, anti-europe, far right parties in europe against the democratic left and the democratic right and the democratic center. and this is a very dangerous thing for democracy. i think that the french are on notice that there may be more wikileaks kind of stuff coming in there. the advantage that the lead opponent to le pen has is there's the warning from the hillary clinton campaign so they know that this is coming. >> you saw in that dutch election that you just mentioned that the dutch in order to prevent russian meddling, they went old school. there were no computers used in the recent election. it was only after the u.s. blamed russia for hacking during the presidential election, the netherlands announced it was dropping computerized voting entirely. they had 82% turnout and the putin candidate went down in flames. >> very hard. and this is a lesson for the united states to be learning from how people do things in europe. the exact flip of what e.j. was doing about, in that it is important to vote. we had 70 million people who f even waurt bother to the polls turnout is not helpful, particularly if you are someone who believes in democracy, liberal democracy and freedoms. it's not something you can take for granted. it takes aive participaon and putin relies on things like low voter turnout and low activism among people which is why they crush protests. he's arrested journalists in this recent round, so this undermining of the media is very putinesque and people are seeing these activities happening in the united states and they should be worried. we should be taking action against them. >> about that turnout issue, are there any projections of what kind of turnout we're looking at in this french election? >> reporter: well, i'm afraid it could be low. i think a lot of the people on the far left are going to be disillusion disillusioned, two of the candidates, a right wing and centerist candidates are the ones that go up against le pen. i know you had a comment, e.j., but you also had the story that when he was meeting with the german foreign -- the german prime minister, donald trump handed her a bill, handed angela merkel a bill for 300 billion pounds, a bill saying that germany owes nato and we won't really protect germany unless they pay up. that's odd. >> he was treating nato as if it were a trump country club and that everybody has to pay dues as opposed to an institution that has worked to protect both american values and american interests over a very, very long period of time. something worth looking at is steve bannon's little speech back in 2014 in rome to the conservative group where he said putin is a kleptocrat but he is supporting all of the aditional values. there's a great piece i "time" magazine about how put is trying to curry favor with some of the more far right people on the religious right and traditionalist right. he is very anti-gay marriage. so putin is very conscious of the kind of politics he is playing in the west and it isn't the kind of politics that helps angela merkel. >> and explains why the bannonites like him so much. christopher, are there predictions about whether marine le pen can win this? >> reporter: she can win it if there's low turnout and if a lot of undecided voters swing her way, which is something we saw in the united states. yeah, she can win it. fortunately, most polls show that she will not. >> we will keep watching it and come back to you, christopher dickey, to follow that election which is quite important for the west. coming up in our next hour, i sit down with my good friend, christopher hayes to discuss his newest book and how trump's lavish lifestyle may even have greater repercussions than you may have thought. more "a.m. joy" after the break. i'm so frustrated. i just want to find a used car without getting ripped off. you could start your search at the all-new carfax.com that might help. 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and, and -- [ applause ] >> that was democratic activist and environmental lawyer mike levin posing a question to darrell issa. the nine-term republican from california who just happens to be the wealthiest man in congress. but levin isn't just taking on issa at town halls. he's also challenging him for the congressional seat. issa isn't the only one taking heat. steve king is back in hot water and king is also up for re-election in 2018. with that, let's bring in our next guests, congressional candidate mike levin himself and kim weaver, who challenged representative steve king back in 2016. kim, i'm going to start with you because the question on everyones mind is whether you're going to do it again. i'm going to let you think about it as we play a little matchup of our steve king. >> where did any other subgroup of people contribute more than civilization. >> than white people? >> than western civilization itself that's rooted in western europe, eastern europe and the united states of america and every place where the footprint of christianity settled the world. >> the reason they're called dreamers because that's the most sympathetic term that could be applied. to among all of these dreamers, there are some awfully bad people. >> jesus never ordered anyone to be killed and never raised his hand to injure anyone specifically but mohammed did and there's a big difference in this. so they're carrying on traditions that are centuries old. >> kim weaver, do you plan to challenge steve king this cycle? >> i do. the official paperwork should be landing on the desk tomorrow. >> how do you beat steve king? despite years and years and years, the racist statements, he manages to get re-elected. is this district so ruby red that you cannot beat him? >> no, i don't believe so. i believe that we can beat him this cycle. even though the democrats took a beating last time, the positive that came out of it is i had a higher vote count than both hillary clinton and our senate candidate. additionally i had higher vote counts in all but two precincts in the entire district, so i think that that shows the rest of the world that i have a chan chance. while i was campaigning i was also working full time and had very little time to fund raise. the last two congressional candidates spent about $20 per vote. i spent $1.22 so it was a pretty grassroots campaign. at this point in the cycle, i've already raised more in just two weeks than i did the entire time last time. >> okay. well, that is your account. we have a little breaking news this morning. kim weaver will be challenging steve king in iowa's 47th district. that's sioux city, ames, ft. dodge and boone, iowa. mike levin, i want to turn to you. we played a little bit of you challenging darrell issa at one of his town hall meetings. for those who are not aware how he got to be the richest man in congress. the "los angeles times" wrote a piece about it. he earned it as a car alarm mogul. let's play a little sound mash-up of darrell issa tangling with elijah cummings. >> i am a member of the congress of the united states of america. i am tired of this. we have members over here, each who represent 700,000 people. you cannot just have a one-sided investigation. it is absolutely something wrong with that and it is absolutely unamerican. >> hear hear. >> we had a hearing. it was adjourned. i gave you an opportunity to ask a question. you had no questions. >> i do have a question. >> i gave you an opportunity to speak. >> chairman, what are you hing? >> mike levin, this was the house government oversit committee that issa used to chair. he's a very wealthy man, he can self-fund. how are you going to beat him? >> we're going to beat him because of the of the attitude and demeanor we showed in that clip. he's fundamentally out of touch with the constituents in his district. what you didn't say is his net worth has quadrupled su ed sinc been in congress. he has been in lock-step with donald trump every step of the way. in fact there's a trump score that you can go on 538 and check and he has a 100 trump score, meaning that there isn't a single piece of legislation where he has not supported the trump position. and that includes this trumpcare fiasco from this past week where he said he was leaning yes before they had to pull the vote. so on virtually every issue, this is why he is the most vulnerable incumbent in the united states house of representatives and why we will defeat him. we're going to do it with a grassroots huge group of donors and we will ultimately prevail because our issues are where the people of our district are at. our district is not with donald trump. they're certainly not with darrell issa. >> i want to ask you both, this is one of the things that's really challenged democrats in trying to take on republicans in some of these seats is what the democratic party stands for. what is the purpose of the democratic party. kim, what does the democratic party stand for? >> decency over division and that's something i've been talking about the entire time i've been running. i'm focusing on solutions. people are threatening to boycott our state during aig bike ride across the state. we just represent on decency. >> same to you mike levin, can you explain what it is the democratic party actually stands for? >> i think strength in diversity and appreciation for one's differences rather than just tolerance. steve king, it's interesting, i asked darrell issa, actually called him out on social media multiple times to actually comment on mr. king's divisive anti-immigrant rhetoric. i take it very personally. on one side of the family, my mom has parents from mexico, mexican immigrants. on the other side, jewish immigrants. so that's what makes america great, a story like mine. my grandfather never even graduated from high school, he had five girls, all of whom went to college, and he became a united states citizen at age 50. that's what made america great in the first place and we're losing our way with donald trump and steve king and steve bannon. they're divisive rhetoric and that dark undercurrent of intolerance. so as democrats, we need to stand profoundly against that sort of rhetoric and that's exactly what we're going to do. >> hopefully everyone will check you guys out. where do we follow you on twitter? kim weaver how do we follow you? kimweaveria. >> mike levin? >> mike levin ca and mikelevin.org. >> good luck to both of you. up next, with the failure, the utter failure of the health care bill, it seems that trump has found a scapegoat. his former one-time bff, paul ryan. more "a.m. joy" after the break. . it was, it was always controlling your time, ur actio, your money. it had me. it had me. i would not be a non-smoker today if it wasn't for chantix. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. some reported seizures or sleepwalking with chantix. if you have any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse or of seizures. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if you have these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away as some can be life-threatening. tell your doctor if you have heart or blood vessel problems, or develop new or worse symptoms. get medical help right away if you have symptoms of a heart attack or stroke. decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. use caution when driving or operating machinery. most common side effect is nausea. it's me in control now. ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. i ...prilosec otc 7 years ago,my doctor recommended... 5 years ago, last week. just 1 pill each morning, 24 hours and zero heartburn. it's been the number 1 doctor recommended brand for 10... ...straight years, and it's still recommended today. use as directed. paul ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house. the reason? he failed to deliver the votes on his health care bill. speaker ryan, you come in with all your swagger and experience and you sell them a bill of goods which ends up a complete and total failure and you allow our president in his first 100 days to come out of the box like that? based on what, ryan has hurt you going forward and he's got to go. >> on saturday night, fox news host judge jeanine mcedo words on who she thinks is to blame for the health care bill fail, eviscerating house speaker paul ryan and calling on him to step down. her on-air rant came only hours after donald trump tweeted to encourage his followers to watch her show. she noted that she and trump did not speak about the content of her program despite trump promoting the show earlier in the day. so trump just happened to promote a tv show he did not appear on, just for kicks? she was also sure to give the dems a little cameo in her tirade. >> i hate it when schumer and pelosi get to beat their drums and talk about what a great day it is for america that president trump failed. >> and beating their drums they are, judge perro. take a look at nancy pelosi kicking off her shoes in joy. joining me now are the national spokesperson for moveon.org, mark murray, scott ross, executive director of one wisconsin now, e.j. dionne of "the washington post." i'm going to start with you -- >> we had a rally the day of the vote and we were clearly celebrating and that was us that captured that moment. >> so jeanine was outraged of them kicking up their heels in joy. we watched her show because donald trump tweeted this. let's put that tweet back up agai watch judge jeanine on fox news tonight at 9:00 p.m. then she goes on to say ryan should step down and then she says this about whether or not she talked to the white house. let's take a listen. >> when the president said, you know, when he tweeted watch judge jeanine tonight, he and i had absolutely no conversation, no discussion, no e-mail, nothing. he had no idea that i was going to do this. in fact i didn't know about it until i woke up this morning. >> is there any chance that that's true? >> so our reporting from kelly o'donnell that this was a coincidence, that the tweet watch judge jeanine and her screed against paul ryan, there was no coordination involved. you end up having a prominent fox host delivering a diatribe against the house speaker showing you really do have a fractured republican party. there's been a lot of blame this morning. president trump tweeted this was the house freedom caucus's problem, but it was moderates and even conservative pragmatists who were against this legislation. it was almost half and half. so all this blame game that's happening, to me the biggest conclusion and 48 hours later after it failed was this is a completely divided party and just watch fox news. >> and people like you guys, move on that worked against it. speaker ryan had senior aides tell nbc news it's a fluke, not a conspiracy. >> look, it's not surprising that president trump would use woman to do his dirty work because he's not man enough to do it himself. let's not -- i was not shocked at all. i was like, oh, okay, that makes sense. here's the other troubling part of all of this. we're living in a time where this president makes nixon look like a saint and the speaker makes john boehner look like a unifier. this is where we are right now. and it's both of their fault to what mark was saying. you have a cookie cutter politician in speaker ryan who could unify his party. this is something that they campaigned on for years and they couldn't get it together. and then on the other side you have an incompetent president, who doesn't want to learn and are we really surprised that this failed? trump, you failed. trump airlines failed. trump steaks failed. everything that he puts his hands on fails. >> trump said those steaks were delicious. we only have his word to go on. >> charlie dent was on "meet the press" this morning and he, e.j., explained why he thought the attempt to repeal and replace obamacare failed. let's take a listen. >> a lot of the concessions that the white house was making at the end of this process were to appease and placate the hard right on essential health benefits and other issues. all to placate people who are not going to vote for the bill anyway. by doing that, they ended up alienating more people on the center right or moderates. that was really what happened. >> bad bill, bad outcome is what he's saying. i think that rings true. >> first of all, i learned something important last night. i learned why i watch "a.m. joy" instead of judge perro's show. so that was useful. you saw something really interesting happen. the repuicanoderates -- they're not really moderate in most cases, but the non-hard right were voting for this bill essentially for anti-democratic reasons. they were voting against the mobilization and they knew there was a cost to voting against it. so this is an entirely new element. the moderates had gone along. barney frank had a great line, a moderate republican is somebody who's always there when you don't need them. this time they really took a stand. so what it shows is, i think, john cassidy at the "new yorker" said this was a victory of essential democracy over conservatism. why did he say that? most americans think that everybody should have health insurance and that the government should do something to help people afford it. the republican bill just did none of that. these moderates or non-right wing republicans realize that's where the consensus is. it's going to be very interesting to watch this going forward on the republican side. >> and do we have charlie sykes? did i neglect to introduce charlie sykes? i didn't hallucinate you, you're real. charlie sykes is real, everyone, much like santa claus. charlie, there was this tweet this morning that trump, he completely changed his mind on who was to blame for the fail. he was saying democrats are smiling in d.c. that the freedom caucus with the help of club for growth and heritage have saved planned parenthood and obamacare. do you think that right now that the perro open last night, her cold open, is evidence that the white house is now deciding to make war both on the freedom caucus, who are basically the tea pay, the club for growth faction of the republican party, but also on the speaker? >> yeah. first of all, joy, i had to watch that in order to be on this show so where do i go to get that six minutes of my life back. what rational person listens to except that the president of the united states tweets that. it is this two-front war here. you are attacking the people who backed you on the health bill. you're attacking the people who blocked you on the health bill. you know, it's an interesting strategy here. look, judge jeanine did not go out and give that rant. you're not seeing breitbart attack paul ryan without some sort of wink, wink, nod, nod from the bannon wing of the white house. so you have all of this circular firing squad going on. look, he's going to need one of those factions going forward for any of the rest of his agenda. so he's clearly, you know, dropped the ball after devoting a full 17 days of his life, which apparently is exhausting to him, on the health care bill. now he wants to go on to tax reform. good luck getting tax reform through once you have now spent all this political capital attacking the people who supported you on health care and the people who opposed you on health care. >> like the freedom caucus, who again are the tea party, are then going to back a trillion dollar spend on infrastructure. santa claus can deliver that to you. >> by the way, i want to be charlie's shop steward. pay him double time for that. >> we'll send you a check, charlie, that was really rough. there was another thing charlie dent said on "meet the press" that i want to ask you about. let's listen to charlie dent talking about why the repeal and replace failed. >> i'm holding up a plan from republican governorgovernors, f expansion states like mine, kasich, snyder, sandoval, they wanted to be part of this process. >> devoting 17 legislative days to a bill and then walking away from it because it hasn't passed in 17 legislative days makes no sense. >> that was mike lee on the back end of that. along with those governors not meiod was scott walker. scott walker who is from the same state as one paul ryan and one reince priebus, he has been invisible. what happened to him? >> he has stood against the aca from day one and stocked his deal on it. he popped his head up quickly towards the end and said, hey, pass this bill. there were some newspapers saying walker ignored on health care. i think the fact that paul ryan -- what we saw with paul ryan, the most devastating thing is he can be rolled. you know, look at what he was willing to compromise in this. taking away eyeglasses from children was one of the things he was willing to do in order to try to get this passed. >> but i disagree with you that he was rolled on that. paul ryan's ideology suggests to me that's something he was fine with doing to get this tax cut. >> but when you see paul ryan when he's talked about poverty, as soon as he gets a brush back -- >> governing is hard. >> i want to do a round robin and get who we think is the biggest loser out of this failure because you've got a lot to choose from. you've got reince, who many are saying his job could be in trouble. you've got paul ryan who john boehner is probably laughing while drinking a glass of red wine. there's lots of people who's the biggest loser but who do you think is? >> i have to say donald trump is the biggest loser. this was his opportunity to see is he just crazy or is he crazy as a fox? and he's just crazy. and it's like he -- there is no real art of the deal. he is a performance artist that is layered with incompetence. >> mark murray, biggest loser. >> governing. this is simple arithmetic. right now republicans just have 52 senate seats. they end up having 237 house seats but you have 30 members of the house freedom caucus, a sizeable number of moderates. being able to get the two 16, 217, 218 in the house, being able to get to 51 even on reconciliation, not talking about 60 votes in the senate, how do they do that? one missing ingredient has been reaching out to democrats, on infrastructure, things you might have got chuck schumer or nancy pelosi, things to improve trump's ratings, from the get-go his inaugural address never reached out to the opposition. >> but you can't do that if you're saying repeal obamacare. you have to say fix. scott ross, biggest loser? >> paul ryan. >> he doesn't look good. e.j. >> conservative ideology. the underlying problem here is this bill was no good because it threw people off health care in big numbers, and that's why ultimately i think it failed. >> charlie sykes, i can't give you that six minutes of your life back, i don't have the power to do that, but i can you the last word. whof the biggest loser in that debac debacle. >> apparently they didn't teach the art of governing at trump university. this is donald trump. it's on his watch and obviously he has no plan b or c. >> all right. we will now eject all the men from this panel, karine jean-pierre is sticking around. thank you very much, friends. up next, will democrats take advantage of trump's big health care fail? failing failing, happening all over washington. stay with us. ncestry. my ancestry dna results are that i26% nigerian. i am just trying to learn as much as i can about my culture. i put the gele on my head and i looked into the mirror and i was trying not to cry. because it's a hat, but it's like the most important hat i've ever owned. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com. various: (shouting) heigh! ho! 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democrats, can they capitalize on one 24-hour triumph and turn it into a nationwide political resurgence. back with me, karine jean-pierre and jonathan capehart. clinton campaign senior strategist, joel benenson in the remote. i have to quickly get jonathan's take on whether the perro attacking of paul ryan, do you think it was white house coordinated or no? >> come on now. that tweet from president trump was at 10:41 a.m. for a show that didn't come on for almost another 12 hours. please. there are coincidences and then there are coincidences. >> and joel benenson, let's talk about whether democrats can capitalize on this. probably for people who watch this show, it's been rough since november. >> you think so? >> a lot of unhappiness, a lot of sad. it was finally a day of unbridled joy. you saw nancy pelosi kick off her designer heels and jump up in the air. will democrats have to enjoy this as a moment of happiness and go back in the fight or is this a sign that democrats actually can get some wins here? >> here's the real opportunity and i think it's not just in the moment. i think there's a long-term opportunity here. what this exposed is real weaknesses in the republican party and how president trump functions. benjamin franklin once again by failing to prepare, you're preparing to fail. we have a president who completely failed in his first foray into the legislative arena because he doesn't know how to prepare. he doesn't understand what it takes. this is likely to be repeated. the second opportunity here, and i think this is where speaker pelosi was right, this was a victory for the american people. if the republicans think by diving headfirst into tax reform next where they're going to give more tax cuts to the wealthy and big corporations, they are continuing to misread where the public is. and where even donald trump's voters were. >> absolutely. i think that w the biggest surprise to them is even in republican districts, people actually want to have health care. hillary clinton tweeted her reaction saying today is a victory for all americans. this was the dccc who actually got some ads out against some gop lawmakers. we don't know how big these buys were but here is one of those ads that the dccc put out. >> the republicans promised us on health care. >> everybody is going to be taken care of. much better than they're taken care of now. >> nobody will be worse off financially. >> now we learn the truth. leonard lance voted yes? you deserve better. >> they were just online. so is that winning or is that sort of -- i don't know, what do you think, jonathan? >> well, look, i think democrats have it easy because the president and the republicans are making it so easy for them. it's one thing to say we're going to repeal and replace obamacare with something that is better. if you're a democrat, how easy is it to say that person voted to get rid of caps on coverage, voted to foot your child off your health insurance even if they're 26 years old. democrats have it very, very easy. you saw the look on nancy pelosi's face. if i could translate her whole statement you just showed into sort of one little bubble, teehee. >> pretty much. >> you had the head of the dccc saying that every house republican that voted in committee for this devastating repeal bill be held accountable at election day. really it was the grassroots that pulled this off. groups like move on, supporting planned parenthood. it was indivisible, the pastors and members of the clergy marching on paul ryan's office. >> that's exactly right. >> can democrats bottle that? >> i think that's exactly right. they have to figure out how to bottle the energy that has been happening since the day after inauguration with the women's march and has continued through this time. republicans are essentially writing these ads for us. they are giving us the messaging. and there is a stark contrast as well if you look back to when nancy pelosi was speaker and her relationship with obama. i mean he trusted her. she understood her conference. she got everyone to back aca. it was just -- i mean she understood the job and the republicans just don't. but back to your earlier point, it is a grassroots movement. it wasn't the hill, it wasn't democrats on the hill that did this, it was us and our members and our allies going out there and making the calls, showing up at town halls and making our voices heard loudly. i think that made a difference, clearly. >> so, joel, i guess the real sort of conundrum for democrats is a lot of that same grassroots energy has a fundamental mistrust of the democratic establishment. you didn't see the dnc, they are pretty invisible. the democratic party leadership here. they're not necessarily trusted by the people out there, you know, on the streets. how can the democratic party take that energy and put it in a voting booth in midterms when democrats typically don't vote. >> this may sound countersbu counterintuiti counterintuitive. i think the dnc was very strategic not getting in the middle of what was taking place across the country. i think karine was right and you're right that a lot of the groups that motivate people were. there was a lot of organic activity out there. it was true grassroots from the bottom up in a lot of these places and in a lot of these distric districts. i think the way to capitalize on that is give those people freedom, let them percolate up, continue to take on fights in their districts locally and then capitalize on that energy later as you get closer to needing to organize for elections. >> and you do that by listening. >> absolutely. >> far too often, politicians see a parade and decide i must lead it. i must lead the people, as opposed to just jumping on in in the middle, in the back, being a part of it, not getting in the way. sometimes politicians and particularly democratic politicians get in the way of the parade. and so i think it's fantastic that the grassroots is leading this effort. also because as we've been saying, the president and the republicans are making it, oh, so easy to do. >> yeah, yeah. >> that's right. >> i didn't say it in the last block, but i was trying to figure out who i thought was the biggest loser in all of th. now i do think it's donald trump because he has been the best thing to happen to democrats. really quick exit question and i'll really quickly go around the horn here. that democrats respond to this opportunity by going to trump and saying let's do an obamacare fix instead of repeal? and would the grassroots kill them if they tried to do that? >> i think if anything, it should have emboldened democrats of what happened just two days ago, which is that we have -- we do have some power. and i don't think i would -- i would nautiot capitulate to don trump or try to work with him at all. i would listen to the people on the streets that are saying no, absolutely not. >> thank you all. appreciate you all for 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campaign. with fiery speeches about the evils of gun roll in tv appearances, mostly on fox, railing against black lives matter activists, well, this week the sheriff's cowboy hat might have popped up in your news feed again, because he's being sued for abuse by multiple pregnant women who say they were forced to give birth in shackles while in custody at his jail. the new federal lawsuit alleges that one of the 40 plaintiffs that the federal lawyers expect to represent was shackled before, during and after delivery at a local hospital. that lawsuit filed on march 14th follows the suit filed late last year about the death of an infant child born in a milwaukee maximum security cell. that was one of four deaths in clark's jail within a span of just six months. all of that is just resurfacing this week because clark was in the news for publicly mocking milwaukee mayor tom barrett over a 2009 incident where barrett was viciously beaten while trying to protect a grandmother and her 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little bit of insight into you, into christopher hayes, and you talk about your own orientation toward race, which may sound weird for people to say, but white americans don't really do that very often. there's not really a confrontation with race as a white person. talk a little bit about that journey for yourself growing up in the bronx, new york. >> i'm glad you said that because i think one of the thingshands up happening is the way that conversations about race happen is that there's racists and they're bad people and then white people particularly start to feel extremely defensive that if you talk about race, then what you're really doing is calling them a racist and a racist is a bad person so you're saying they're a bad person. i grew up in an extremely diverse community and situation in the bronx in the 1980s. i went to a public school, sort of colors of the rainbow there. and i was in new york city at the sort of peak crime years as a white teenager navigating the border between the upper east side and harlem, going down to high school every day. you know, i was scared a lot. i was constantly looking over my shoulder. i was, frankly, racially profiling kids that were walking down the block, worried that that cluster of teenagers were going to come and tell me to give them my wallet. and i understand -- i understood then and understand now the appeal of a certain kind of rhetoric and a certain kind of call to people, particularly white folks, but i think also universal in some ways for security, safety, that there's some bad element out there that can be put in its place and kept away from you. and i think it's really important to understand and be honest about the appeal of that, because i felt it myself growing up in the city, particularly in the '80s and '90s when it was much more dangerous than it is now. >> it was a very different city and it was very much more tense racially between all of the different groups. >> oh, my goodness yes. >> it was just a whole different place. do you ever get the feeling, especially when you're in brooklyn, that's super jent fied and has this super different image, cabs will take you there for one thing, how new york slid from being that racially polarized dynamic to being, if not -- that's not fixed, but at least more self aware and is there an instruction there for the rest of the country? >> that's really interesting. i think one ofhe things honestly is that crime went down in the city. an enormous amount. it went down across the country. but new york city was the leader in the crime drop. in 1991 i think there were 2500 murders in the city. last year there were 350. so that's just an enormous, enormous drop. can you imagine if we brought auto fatalities down in that amount of time or child poverty or some other social metric by that amount in that period of time, it would be considered an incredible achievement and in many ways what happened in new york really was. huge tangible benefit to people across krrace lines. so that really altered the city. now, that also came with a regime of broken windows, policing under rudy giuliani and carried out even to this day in certain ways by the current liberal mayor, bill de blasio, who says he's a believer in broken windows policing that has resulted in a kind of sort of parallel court system for misdemeanor summons that is almost unfathomable in its scope. as much as the new york city police department is better than other big city departments, it is still the case that many of my fellow new yorkers not just in new york or around the country live under policing regimes that simply do not feel that they are a part of the democracy. >> the title of the book is very interesting because you talk about the origin of that term. explain it, without giving away everything in the book, explain in general terms what that means. >> you know, i think that the idea is that we really have two distinct sort ofystems of policing and systems of criminal justice. one of them in the nation is kind of what you would expect in a liberal, democratic republic. you have due process. you don't have the police constantly in your lives. ideally you don't ever interface with the police and no one you know interfaces with the police and everyone just goes about their life. the criminal justice system ideally in huge swaths of the nation, it functions like your laptop's operating system. it's in the background while you do the things you want to do. and then there's the colony, which are huge swaths of black and brown america but also increasingly large parts of working class and poor white america where law enforcement is a constant intrusion into everyone's life. it is constantly intruding, it is constantly a disruption to daily life and it's very hard, if you're under one of those regimes, to get your head around what it would be like to get in the other. if you're never interfacing with the system and maybe call the cops very, very seldomly or see them around the neighborhood and smile at them, the idea of what's happening in the colony is very hard to get your head around. >> and that is literally what you just described to me feels like what ferguson is to like larger st. louis county missouri, right? and i wonder if when you were there, and a lot of folks remember you standing out there in ferguson covering that situation with michael brown, did that change your conception of this two americas or did it reinforce what you sort of learned growing up in the bronx? >> it did both. i mean i grew up in new york city, like i said, in the '80s and '90s and had a conception of the various ways that police interact with different folks of different races and backgrounds. but what struck me about ferguson is that it was all of the intensity of new york city distilled down into this small sort of anonymous municipality of 20,000 people with a majority of black citizens and overwhelmingly whiteower structure and police force and a policing regime that was almost incomprehensibly predatory. when you read the department of justice report, it was essentially an extractive industry to pull ticket revenue out of people. and the extremity if it is what struck me and the sheer rage at the humiliation that people had to suffer over and over again in this small municipality. it's not new york city, it's not chicago, it's not l.a., it's not a place that you read about or there had been big patterns and practices and investigations and lawsuits that had gotten national attention. that to me was eye-opening because we happened to be here covering this but how many other fergusons are there. >> and it's brilliant the way you deal with this but i cannot resist asking you this sort of -- your thoughts on the colony now watching the nation get its way, right? people who were like barack obama being president was the worst thing that ever happened. when we get this back, when we take our country back, it's going to be great. well, they took that country back, that element that used to think that way, and it's disaster. working class white people panicked and were like oh, no, don't do this to us. what do you make of all this, chris? >> i thought what happened on friday was stunning. i will even say, like everyone, i like to say when i called it. i did not call this. i thought they would muscle through. i thought they'd pass something. you know, to me the lesson here, and i think it's a really important one, is the normal laws of political gravity apply. it was a bad bill that would have been bad for people. now, that doesn't always win out in the end. i watched bad bills that would have been bad for people like the bankruptcy bill still get passed, so that is not in and of itself enough. but the combination of how bad it was, the incompetence, the sheer incompetence of the people that were running the process, the absolute clownish lacrity of the process itself combined with the incredible mobilization across the country in every congressional district in every state created an outcome that should be the kind of outcome that a functioning civil society in democracy arrives at. that is that a bill that no one liked from any perspective and would have been bad never even made it to the floor for a vote. >> i think it's amazing that in one fell swoop two myths died on friday. the myth of donald trump as the great negotiator and paul ryan as super genius. none of those things were ever true and now everybody knows. >> they do not look good right now. >> they do not look good right now. chris hayes, it's always a treat to talk to you, my friend. the book is "a colony in a nation." it is so good. you will get a little insight into chris hayes, get to know him a little bit more. it is the rare, frank, honest, historical and brilliant discussion on race and i really enjoyed it. >> that means so much, joy. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> it really is good. up next, what are 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when we come back, we'll talk about the growing concern over missing girls of color in washington, d.c. i tried hard to quit smoking. but when we brought our daughter home, that was it. now i have nicode cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. it's the best thing that ever happened to me. every great why needs a great how. everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. this past week, a post that was retweeted over 47,000 times claimed 14 black girl his gone missing in washington, d.c., in a 24our period. the post set off an intense reaction across social media in a call to find the missing girls. it even drew the attention of celebrities like eva duvornay, diddy and l.l. cool j. in fact, missing children cases are down from the previous year according to the authorities here. d.c. authorities told our producers at "a.m. joy" that there have been more than 500 cases in recent children and teens in recent month, but that only 22 juvenile cases remained open as of march 24th. 22 and only being relative terms since that's 22 too many. in a letter to attorney general jefferson sessions an fbi director james comey, cedric richmond and eleanor holmes norton this week called on the justice department to deploy the resources necessary to address the situation. joining me now is washington, d.c., mayor mariel bowser. thank you for being here. >> glad to be here. >> it did break down the missing frns cases from 2012 juvenile and adult and let's put the graphic up on the screen. you can see it was quite a big number in 2012, 2,600 plus missing juveniles and that number is down to 501. that's still a lot, but the number is going down. >> so what i think is important to explain here, joy, is how we changed our policies about notifying the public about missing persons. prior to 2017 we only notified th pubc of a missing persons case when we suspected foul play. >> okay. dnapping and abduction. starting in 2017, we notified the public of all missing children because we think no matter the circumstances of a child missing home that every day away from a responsible adult puts that child in danger. >> you include runaways and trafficked children and abducted children. it's all now included in one number. >> it's all included in one number and all of the number of 2017 are children who left home so we don't suspect kidnapping or abduction or trafficking and nobody is getting snatched from the streets, but our children and this is why we wanted to highlight it the police department made the decision to change the policy and affirmatively put this information out so we could get the public's help in bringing these children home or to the care of a responsible adult. >> peter mnuchin, this is him speaking about this very issue. >> the difficult thing is some of the kids do go missing multiple times, but like i said earlier, when they go missing, guess what? you have a child out there and there are people in our community that will prey on those children. >> just one quick other related sound bite. chanel dickinson the police youth and family services commander for mpd, this is her speaking. >> we have no indication to believe that young girls in the district are being preyed upon by human traffickers in large numbers. >> and yet, police are telling young people stay home to avoid trafficking. is there a trafficking problem even if there is not a missing child epidemic? >> no. what we're saying is any cld thateaves home, 13, 14-year-olds that their parents don't know where they are, sometimes they're with a family member, sometimes they're with a friend, sometimes they're couch surfing or roaming the streets sometimes they can become victims and if you have left home your parents and guardians don't know where you are. you need to contact us so we can get you the help you need. >> your administration has put in place to address this problem. >> we want to be very careful and not only do we want to raise attention and let me be clear that we have no particular issue of children leaving home in the district of columbia any more than any other jurisdiction. the difference is we're telling people about it and getting that information out right away so kids can come home more quickly. so i have directed the police chief to put more officers there so when we know we have a missing child we can do more to try to unite the child and family more quickly, but we're also looking across our agencies, our social service agencies, frankly, so that we're supporting the families while the child hasn't been located and when they get home. we're setting up a protocol to make sure that home is the right place for them. >> they're safe at home and we're going to make those resources available. also, joy, what's important about this attention is we want children to contact before they leave home. >> would you keep us up-to-date on the 22 missing cases? 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earlier. >> the american people should be extremely grateful and happy. no americans were harmed in last night's attack by the iranian regime. our great american forces are prepared for anything. iran appears to be standing down. we have sent a powerful message to terrorists. if you value your own life, you will not threaten the lives of our people! >> the president pushing back against criticism of his decision to take out the iranian general with an air strike. >> at my direction, the united states military eliminated the world's top terrorist quassem soleimani. in recent days he was planning new attacks on american targets. but we stopped him. soleimani's hands were drenched in both american and iranian blood. he should have been terminated loning long ago. >> and we learned that u.s. military officials had advance warning before the missiles hit last night and the pentagon concluding tehran made a political decision by choosing targets so they would not kill americans. shannon bream, from washington, i think everyone left and right is happy. it seems like things de-escalated. reuters said 54% of americans don't approve of how president trump is handling iran. >> i will be interested to see if there is a change in the numbers after his speech. we heard this is world war iii. the president said everything wrong. this morning when the president said we want peace. we are de-escalating and this is it, the headlines were still awful about the president. there are certain quarters that will never approve of anything he does. he said let's de-escalate. he didn't come out and say we are going to bomb iran off the face of the earth. they still don't seem happy. >> brian, your take? one thing the critics say well, we appreciate the president is acting in a restrained manner. but he didn't say anything about the imminent attack that he said was the reason for sending a missiles to kill soleimani. >> it's important to say how did we get here? the breaking point was when he saw the embassy raided. they spray painted on the outside this is soleimani's land. we know he was calling the shots. the thing about him he is not a crazy man. he is a tactical terrorist. he knows how to link it together and plot and plan. he's had 4 years of experience. i will say this: to take him out, i think the president and his staff and the secretary of defense did it for the wrong reasons. it should be an accumulation of attacks including the one 4 days ago. we would not be in this controversy. it allowed his critics to say mr. pompeo, what exactly did you see? it's off track in my mind. >> katie, when you think about what the president said today. everybody is breathing a sigh of relief. do you think we can be assured there won't be future attacks by the iranians? >> the president gave the iranians a choice today. we are opening the door to a new deal and new negotiation. we want the iranian people to have an economy that benefits them and we want the leadership to make the right decisions to be a normal country and stop using proxy forces to destabilize the region and carry out terrorist attacks against american people. he was resolved today and made it clear this is not over with iran. he is taking a comprehensive approach. his first line was not about soleimani or even the attack last night from iran. it was about the nuclear program. it's clear he is taking this approach as a long-term issue. he not done with this. the iranians will continue their proxy attacks until they come to terms with the idea they want to move forward. the sanctions the president put on will hopefully go in that direction. >> i was waiting on you to call me. ary going to war or not. i want to be with greg. >> just come downstairs and sit on the couch with me. >> you were here. >> yes. >> and shannon bream was on at midnight. >> i realize why hollywood hates trump so much. his era will produce terrible war movies. this was trump's war and it lasted a day. desert burp. you can't get a saving private ryan or blackhawk down. he is about shaking the box and creating new beginnings. think about the last couple of days. we know iran can hit stuff, but they didn't. they put the miss in missiles on purpose. we got advance warning and ayatollah told the proxies to layoff and said this was like america killing a general. what is he telling you? they are not so upset about what happened. maybe the general was an impedeiment to the things they wanted to do. he killed iranian protestors. >> in cold blood. >> and ayatollah, i don't believe he was super close with this guy. i think this was the way to shape the iranian box and start over. may i use a sports analogy. >> just one. >> this is like a team when you allow a team to score a touchdown in the fourth quarter against your scrubs because they are behind 77-0. this was operation saving face for iran. to let them have their token score so everybody can walk away. trump blew up the myths and the lies. he is really good at this stuff. he is not impullsive. this is something that was thought through. it was decisive and unpredictable. >> you had me until the end. >> [laughing]. >> wait a minute. imagine if the iranian missiles landed a few feet in the wrong direction. >> why do you think we knew about that? >> i think they wanted us to know. >> that's my point. >> there is a lot of stuff that happens behind-the-scenes that not everybody hears about. a talked to a general about this. they said the president sent a message probably through the swiss to say to the leaders in iran we don't want a war and we won't advocate for regime change? >> those conversations happen. it's not always what it appears on the surface. >> they heard chatter about the attack. the attack 4 to 5 minutes for it to land. that was the most ridiculous light show i ever saw last night. all i say was 3 lights in the sky that traveled forever and didn't hit anything. >> they might have hit the wrong plane. >> i am glad it was 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>> president trump hitting back planing to paint the 2020 candidates at iranian sympathizer. nancy pelosi said he is the one responsible for provoking the iranians. liz cheney on fox and friends. >> the weight of missiles raining down on american service members in iraq. speaker pelosi said it was needless provocation and blaming the u.s. of america. i think she is an embarrassment. >> i have never seen anything like this. a major military target and you have so many people playing partisan politics. when nancy pelosi was told that vice-president pence was on the phone and she was out. she said tell i him i will call him back. he said we are being attacked. >> and 2 minutes later she gets a note that we have in coming from iran. then gets on twitter and tweets out she is monitoring the situation. a report sees her at an opening to a fancy new restaurant. >> [overlapping talking]. >> [laughing]. >> she can't have it both ways. that's what the democrats are trying to do. they can't scream about not being briefed and then ignore when crucial information comes in and go to parties while they claim to monitor the situation. president trump did not declare war on iran. as commander-in-chief he took out the top leading iranian terrorist who was in iraq meeting with other terrorists to plan more attacks. they are sitting across from the u.s. embassy in baghdad doing this. if democrats want to argue that he is the one who was provoked, it's in line with blame america first policy. so matter what it is but especially with foreign policy. the questions for elizabeth warren and bernie sanders who praised sheiks and dictators who killed people, what is your alternative? the commander-in-chief it's your duty to protect americans from threat. soleimani was a threat and carried out the murders of hundreds of americans. >> do you agree? >> no. >> [laughing]. >> why not? >> look, there is a difference between what republicans are portraying: democrats were guilty of apiecement. >> they were. >> there is something called diplomacy which is what the obama administration tried to do. -- a lot of people today said including donald trump, you know what those missiles are being fired? they were paid for by the money that president obama gave back to the iranians. wait a minute, first it was iranian money we were withholding since they held our hostages. they released people like the "washington post" journalist. we made a deal. okay. that's not give our money to iran. >> john kerry and the white house admitted when they were asked directly: do you think this money will go to terrorism? directly to soleimani? >> it goes to the iranian people, katie. >> no. >> we for a situation we were trying to prevent iran from developing nuclear weapons. until today iran according to all of the international inspectors was not doing that. >> you can't have a deal and the problem is you can't have a deal with iran and not have terror included in the deal. >> they were not letting inspectors see some places. you can't blame the dems who are out of power. anything trump does especially when it's good has to be portrayed as bad. there is a delicate balance. they crossed the line here. they have to say we can't stand trump but this turned out to be pretty damn good. and remember that iran and trump agree on one real big thing: they don't want to be there. this might open up a whole new vista. iran and trump can talk about the exit strategy. >> iran wants to be iraq. >> i am talking about america. americans should be getting our butts out of the middle east. trump is removing psychological barriers in a number of different areas. it started with north korea and china and iran. it's a combination of trump's unpredictablity and persuasiveness drives democrats nuts. >> they are in opposition to the president on most ends. this issue should not be partisan. all of us have people we know and love who are there. you can see some of the commercials now. elizabeth warren if 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where the money was spent. >> president trump going after his predecessor as well. >> iran's hostilities increased after the foolish iran nuclear deal was signed in 2013. they were given $150-billion dollars and 1.8-billion dollars in cash. instead of saying thank you to the united states they chanted death to america. the missiles fired last night at us and our allies were paid for with the funds made available by the last administration. >> all right. we heard from a the loof folks who were involved with putting that iran nuclear deal together. the obama administration is defending it. brian said since this administration pulled out iran resumed all of its nuclear programs and the u.s. is isolated. >> they are their knees to the fact that the protestors are on the streets in rural areas. they are not organized by any force. i will add another thing to this: under no scenario would it be okay for iran to have the funding to support all of their terrorists causes. that's the issue. i called on the president. the president did something important. he called on nato to get iran out of this deal >> we heard from juan about this. you are writing. >> yes, every word you say. >> we heard from juan who thinks it's not a good connection to make between the money we sent and these missiles. >> it's a natural connection. obama gave iran a stack of dead presidency. trump gave them one dead general. that's a good comparison. that's what the united states and iran wanted. look, you have to compare -- i don't compare trump to obama. i compare trump to ben rhoads. i don't think he could get a good rate on a rental car. you have trump who trudged through conduction sites, wearing a hard hat. >> made of gold. >> exactly. the two tools unpredictability and persuasion. they are effective and he knows how to deal with businesses and make deals. people make fun ever him. he is impullsive. when are you going to give it up? >> juan, the president's point was we gave them billion dollars. instead of saying thank you they chanted death to america. >> oh, gee. they also signed a deal that gave israel our ally in the middle east further protection against nuclear weapons. that was our number 1 goal. now they are out of the deal and the president has to ask german, france and england, don't support iran in this deal. i don't know. it seems that the nuclear is back in play. the sanctions, if they were so effective why is the general out there plotting attacks? >> i don't know what one has to do with the other. >> the idea was that the sanctions would punish iraq -- iran. >> to that point, we saw protests all over the country. scores of cities. 1500 people were killed. the iranian people are separate. i don't know in funding trickled down to them. >> it never did which is why they are having all of these economic problems and they are protesting against the regime. the issue of ben rhodes saying the united states is isolated in the region is absurd. the israelis and the saudis are on our side. when barack obama was in charge, they pushed our real allies away. cozied up to iran and the europeans. the israelis don't like the iran deal because they knew there was a sun set clause that would lead to the iranians getting nuclear weapons. the iranians have every intention of restarting their nuclear program once that sunshine clause was triggered. that's a lie for him to say that. the obama administration approached iran as only the nuclear issue. when they were negotiating they left the terrorisms and ballistic missiles out of the issue. trump is doing everything. >> coming up you will find out what is in greg's notes. he will take on the media coverage of iran's missiles attacks stay tuned to "the five." you have a brother in the second battalion. yes sir. they're walking into a trap. your orders are to deliver a message calling off tomorrow morning's attack. 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they don't say wow, we screwed up. i notice that. we thought there was world war iii. no war but it could happen today. >> the ayatollah says it's not over. when they get what they want from the president, they said there should not be a response. he gives a speech which was very calm saying we want peace to help the people of iraq. the "washington post," an op-ed piece. they called it a deranged speech. there was no eloquence. filled with lies and garbled. it didn't convince anyone. he will never win over some of these people. >> i watched cnn at the gym because that's what on. i saw barbara starr and gloria and -- >> on television? >> it's the same old names and faces saying the same old stuff. shouldn't there be quality control. >> all the way back to weapons of mass destruction? >> yes. >> the media went along. >> we will go along with the administration sure. there must be weapons of mass destruction. >> they are wrong now. >> the president's job is to be skeptical and challenge us. where are the facts that justify you going out and setting off what could been a tragic situation? we are happy today that things have gone down quietly. you have to understand, one errant missiles could be a tragedy. i disagree with the business about the reporter. reporters in iran where there is no first amendment and no protection. if you say this is what the government -- we can't confirm it. >> 30 americans are dead? that's totally irresponsible. >> no, it's not. >> turn on iranian state tv. >> he attributed to the iranian -- >> as a guy in the field for 40 years, juan. >> i appreciate that. >> imagine if you were in north korea. sometimes even a fox reporter has to say something because north korea is monitoring it. >> the iranians are saying 30 are dead and the americans say none. the american public can make a decision. i don't know whether that's true or not. >> well, now we know. >> but then we didn't. >> right. >> christopher hayes said the war in iran is a disaster in the making. don't believe anyone who tells us otherwise. donald trump wagged the dog and now the dog is wagging trump? really by hitting the middle of an empty base? >> the press said it could have been ail benghazi. then they find out it's not that. then they continue on and criticize him when he takes action to protect americans. juan, they teach you in journal school not to repeat government propaganda and how the media in these countries is run by the government. you should not glorify anything they say as fact. it really undermines their credibility. >> oh, there is another shooter out there and there never is. they can't wait. >> the credibility, the person's credibility who is undermined here is iran's. you have to report. in a breaking news situation, you are trying to control what you can. he attributeed it properly to the iranian government. >> we thank our reporters out there. >> absolutely. >> and this story turns the president's direction when they talk about impeachment. >> i was on location for this whole thing at the gym. >> [laughing]. >> i was on the ground. >> you were marvelous. >> [laughing]. >> all right, coming up cnn settling a major lawsuit with covington student after he was smeared by the media. details next. these days we're (horn honking) i hear you, sister. that's why i'm partnering with cigna to remind you to go in for your annual check-up. and be open with your doctor about anything you feel. physically, and emotionally. body and mind. little things can be a big deal. psoriasis, that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with... ...an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medicines and if you're pregnant or planning to be. otezla. show more of you. whatever happens out there you have the hilton app. will the hilton app help us pick the starters? 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>> cuomo doesn't look good there. i want to know how much money this was settled for. we will never know. this is really good news for everybody on the planet because it's a turning point. before there was not any consequences to social media mobry. somebody could dig up something from juan's past and destroy you. not you, shannon bream. >> [laughing]. >> now as you know somebody can sue you, that changes your behavior. if you don't have deep pockets and your company has to be worried. i think this could put an end to the swarm. the things that happens when somebody finds out you said something when you were 16. i hope they got something good. >> juan, isn't this is a learning moment for reporters were be interested in the facts and not the narrative? >> i hope you are always interested in the facts first. i don't know what this means. a lot of people who don't like cnn say cnn admitted they did wrong. i know lawyers. the lawyers say if we is to go through a trial, we have to go through emails. i don't think the kid got all of that mony. >> he got 10%. >> exactly. >> still suing nbc and the "washington post" and 13 more defendants will be named. they will get hit with lawsuits. >> when you go into discovery, i had clients. this is how much it will cost to go to trial. in settlement what do you want to do? we don't want all of this stuff out there, we will pay. other clients said we are not paying a dime. if we pay this person, the next one will want it. cnn had to make calculations beyond the legal issues. >> brian, aren't there questions about how the media handled this? they went after a teenager. they did it because he was wearing a maga hat at a pro-life rally. his reputation was destroyed on the internet forever. then they didn't back up and give the same amount of coverage to the entire context of the story as they did to the immediate narrative they put out. >> absolutely. i know what you are saying, shannon bream. big companies don't want to go through it so they write a check. this kid asked for an apology. if they said i blew it, it would be over. if you are not worried about your reputation, this kid should get a lot of money. he will apply to colleges. how many colleges will go: i don't need this? >> he should not go to college. take the money and start a business. >> wait a minute. >> i want to manage nick's money. call me, nick! i will take care of everything for you. >> you have no experience. >> okay. >> [laughing]. >> you know what he told me the other day? 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