said this was one of about a dozen synagogues in the area? >> i would say roughly in the squirrel hill area, i don't know the exact number today but i would say it is close to that. >> okay. >> i'm sure the pittsburgh police and the allegheny county police are on that part of the case. >> howard feynman thank you for that. for awful you, welcome i am alex witt live at msnbc headquarters in new york. it is high noon on the east coast. if you are just joining us we want to bring you up to date on the breaking news we are follow. at least eight to ten people are dead in a shooting in a pittsburgh synagogues. the suspect is believed to be a 46-year-old man. he is now in custody. the suspect was reportedly armed with an ar-15-style rifle as well as multiple handguns. reportedly, a total of 12 people have been shot. that would include three police officers. the cite of this heinous incident, the tree of life synagogues in the squirrel hill neighborhood of pittsburgh. it is home to one of the largest
synagogueses in the area. the attack is believed to be a hate crime. pennsylvania governor tom wolfe has arrived on the scene. the president is also expected to speak this hour on this. he already tweeted about this with his concerns. i am join right now by nbc justice correspondent pete williams. pete, what's the latest on this from your vantage point? >> it apparently happened at about 10:30 when a man armed with what authorities say is an assault-style weapon, an ar 15 style weapon that can fire semiautomatic rounds entered the synagogues also potentially carrying a handgun, and opened fire. he was in there for a time. we don't know how long. came out. had his first engage men, we believe, with police officers, who were responding, went back in, and subsequently came back out where he was arrested. we believe he may be wounded. he's a 46-year-old man. we think he's from pittsburgh. we are not giving his name until
we are certain of the identity. and we don't know anything further about him. we haven't found any social media or anything to indicate a possible background here. but according to the authorities, he did make some anti-semitic comments. so it would seem to be clearly a hate crime. we believe that 12 people in all were shot. presumably all by the gunman although that has yet to be determined. three of those people were law enforcement. their wounds vary in severity. and we are still waiting for clarification on the number of fatalities. but it is a large. >> no it -- it is a large numbe. it's somewhere between eight, nine, or ten. any time something like this happens in a american city where you have an attack on a defined target the police in new york do what they do.
they say now they are deploying heavy weapons teams across houses of worship across the city of new york even though this is no indication this is anything other than a local threat. that's what they do in new york when there is any kind of a threat to a defined target. >> understandably so. i know, pete, we did hear from the president via tweet. we know that he will in all likelihood make a statement in the hours. he has two rallies today. he said earlier, watching the events unfolding in fitzpatrick, pennsylvania, law enforcement on the scene. people in squirrel hill area should remain sheltered. likes like multiple fatalities. beware of active shooter. god bless all. looks like he knew there were multiple fatales. in terms of closing down the actual site, we know there are three stories in this building,
three different areas were being used for worship on a sabbath morning. they will have to continue for quite some time because we are not sure that the suspect didn't do something else like plan an explosive device. that of course being the topic of conversation on everybody's minds throughout this entire week. so you expect it will take some time before the actual location of the tree of life synagogues will be cleared? >> even if there were no reports of suspicious packages -- and there are. i have gotten no confirmation from the federal authorities i have talked to who are assisting the police there -- no indication there has been a confirmation of that. that's a complicating factor. even without that it would take some time to clear the building. authorities are doing two thing. they want to make sure whether or not anybody else was involved. they have got to check that out. they also have to check to see if there were any other victims.
you have to add to that that somebody inside has seen a suspicious package. you have to check into that and that delays the process as well. if there is a hazardous device there, they will clear out all the people who are clearing the building and then they will get the bomb squad in or the right people to look at that. as we look at these pictures, we have to be careful to look at what's live and what's tape play back. we see pictures of people running inside as if they are responding to some sort of emergency. it is tough to tell from these pictures what is live -- like these pictures of people running in. what is live and what's tape playback. i think we have to be careful to mark the tape as tape and not live picture. because the live picture is clearly what we are looking at here, where the situation does appear to be over in the sense that there is no more shooting. but now the clearing of the building is still the top priority. >> to your point, pete, the picture that we are looking at right now, it is live.
and we don't see anybody running quickly. it would seem that if they were inside that building, there were officials in there trying to clear it of any potential issues, that would be a very painstaking process and going on, you know, literally foot by foot throughout that building. may i ask you in your role as our justice correspond end if this is deemed to be officially be denoted as a hate crime how does that change the equation at all for the suspect, who is in custody? >> well, it is an additional possible charge. but i mean, if there were fatalities as there certainly are, then he is undoubtedly going to be charged with murder. so a hate crime would potentially be a sentence enhancement. you know. and i think the other possibility is that it opens up the possibility of federal jurisdiction since murder is not a federal crime, but there are federal hate crimes. >> uh-huh. >> so that raises the possibility there could be a
federal charge as well. normally in these situations the federal authorities would defer to the states and to the locals because it is their people who were the victims. so they have perhaps the greatest interest in seeing justice served. but it does raise -- it is a double thing. it is a sentence enhancement. and possibly raises the issue of federal jurisdiction. but that's way down the road. >> yeah. pete, we ask you to stay with us. i am going to go now to shawn henry, a former executive at the fbi and an msnbc analyst. so, shawn, we are just getting word -- i was showing this as pete was talking. sources say the tree of life synagogues has just now been secured and cleared. let's talk about this totality. it was a two-hour long onslaught when you talk about the level of carnage here. talk about the efficacy in which police got on the scene did their job, considering there was a man with an ar-style weapon,
handguns that left eight to ten people in his wake. >> police officers were shot. the police being there was critical to having this mitigated quickly. you may have had many more people injured or killed had this assailant been able to run throughout the synagogues undeterred by the responding police officers. when you say that the facility is secure, it may be secured in terms of we have been able to determine also no other suspects there. perhaps there are no other devices there. but this will be an ongoing crime scene because there will be a very sensitive crime seen search looking at where rounds from shot, trajectory of the bullets, et cetera, when victims were hit. there will be a very extensive review there in that particular case. let me add to something that pete said as well, that this will be looked at primarily by the local police. this will likely be a joint terrorism task force response.
there appears to be fbi agents there the scene. i couldn't tell quite by looking here. but certainly pittsburgh police department is a heavy -- major player in the pittsburgh joint terrorism task force f. the fbi or federal authorities don't have actual jurisdiction, if it's determined that they are going to iallow it to go to the locals, they will absolutely be providing assistance to their pittsburgh police partners. when you have police officers who have been killed, people who may have been killed in what may be a hate crime, the fbi will be providing resources from a tech knick and perspective, from an investigative prospective, providing enhanced resources and capabilities to ensure that that crime scene is secure, they have collected as much evidence as they can and this hear the providing continued intelligence for the ongoing investigation to determine what was the cause, what was the motive, who else may have been involved in the course of this particular incident or additional incidents that may have been planned a part of this. >> i imagine the investigation
is underway already into who this person s. he has been in custody for a short period. we had reports that he was injured and surrendered to police there. that part of the investigation is underway. but the reaction say of the n.y.p.d. now, without any sort of i guess claims or threats or anything against anything in new york city, yet they still feel the need to go out and offer some protection to different jewish synagogueses or places of congregation on this sabbath day. that's probably not new york exclusive. i would think there are other cities probably doing the same thing taking a page from this and wanting to keep their citizens safe. >> i think that's right. in an abundance of caution law enforce innent are going to take proactive measures to ensure if there is a threat, something occurred elsewhere, that there might be a copycat, might be some other threat. again just as a precautionary measure not necessarily saying there is a particular threat but just to give citizens a sense of comfort. you have got people that are worshipping all over the country today on the sabbath that you
will have law enforcement that respondsing and providing a level of comfort and security to those that are participating in services. >> shawn, thank for being here in the studio with me. joining us now, joe ruben, a member of the tree of life synagogues. this must be very, very difficult for you to witness as it was for howard feynman who we heard from earlier who grew up in that synagogue. >> yes. three synagogues actually share that space right now. this morning, there was a baby naming. i have had my three daughters named there in a similar saturday morning service of baby naming. the shooter said "all jews must
die" as he shot indiscriminantly. it is a place of peace and worship, and of love, and family. and it is despicable. it's something that there just aren't enough words to describe. >> talk about that community, that neighborhood. it looks positively beautiful, single-family homes. i'm told that it has a number of synagogues in the area. i mean, talk about what it is like there. it seems bucolic and lovely. >> squirrel hill is one of the gems of urban america. it is a neighborhood that is thriving in the heart of the city of pittsburgh. it has been a place for families to raise children. but it's also ban center for economic vitality of pittsburgh and where families during the steel industry, academic --
carnegie mellon university is right down the street. it is a multiethnic neighborhood. it is one that is, yes, very religiously diverse. in terms of the jewish community, it's known nationally. it's one of the primary jewish communities in the country. squirrel hill, as a neighborhood, has been long a leader of jewish life and activity. the synagogues are diverse. they are reformed jewish, conservative jewish, orthodox jewish, all different strains within that. the synagogues there who are coexisting comfortably together. you can be there on a saturday morning and see very religious jews walking the neighborhood streets alongside secular jews who may be going to play basketball at the jewish community center, the jcc which is large facility right not
heart. and it is a really fantastic urban neighborhood. >> people just choosing how they want to spend a beautiful saturday morning met with this kind of crime. it is absolutely extraordinary. so these three different areas within the synagogue, you are familiar with it enough that -- is there one that is the general congregation area, and that there may be separate gatherings for different sort of religious focus? do they put children in one area? can you explain that? >> sure, typically in the larger synagogue in particular there are multiple venues for prayer. there may be a main sanctuary which is the largest but then there are also side sanctuaries that are smaller where typically you may have a youth service going on on shabat. sorry. so, yeah. >> it's tough, isn't it.
>> it brings back a lot. yeah. there are multiple places to worship. and there is three synagogues there sharing the place. so the place is just packed with life, in all different corners. and i'm sure there are a lot of kids hanging out, not going to services, sitting in the stairwell. and then there are oler families celebrating the baby naming. when you have a life cycle event like a baby naming or a wedding or a bar or bat mitzvah, you attract larger crowds than normal. normally a shabat service when there is no life cycle event will draw a crowd. but when there is a life cycle event it becomes a magnet of activity and there will be after the service likely a lunch buffet. just a lot going on there on a saturday morning. >> i know this is a tough day for you. thank you for phoning in. we may get back to you. let's go to wpxi's david johnson
who is on the scene and listen to what he is reporting. >> we almost surely know someone inside that building. there was, as i think aaron martin has confirmed, and i heard this from the rabbi, there was what's known as a bris, a ceremonial circumcision that was going on there. that would bring a few more people into the building. okay. i'm understanding from the photographer she's going to zoom in. we are getting reaction here. a large crowd, not just media but other residents who are gathered around here kind of waiting for word from us. and kind of word of mouth on what is the latest as we are waiting for an additional word. again you just saw governor wolf and senator casey walk by. they are being briefed. and as we understand it we are just a couple of minutes away from getting an official briefing. we will have that for you live on channel 11 when it does happen. but that's the latest right now
here at the corner of north cumberland and murray. only three or four blocks away from the synagogue in squirrel hill. back to you. >> everybody, that was david johnson of our affiliate wpxi giving a report for the local news audience there. i am joined again by shawn henry who is skin joining me in studio. you are getting updates via texted. >> n.y.p.d. has deployed marked units to synagogues throughout the city. >> marked units. that's a statement. >> providing a force, providing comfort and security to those inside those facilities. you have people reporting to houses of worship going in today. we listened to howard and joel just talk. they are congregants inside this sick synagogue. think about how emotional it is for people gathering for these types of events. i listened earlier to malcolm and jim cavanaugh. and they talked about the most
recent incidents this week with the mailings. and this particular incident. and while certainly we have seen a lot of the rhetoric that has been somewhat insightful and this kind of tone around the country it is really too early to connect these two incidents. i don't think people should jump to these conclusions. they very well may be some type of a relation. maybe not. the investigators are going to follow the leads. they are going to follow the facts. this will be a very thorough investigation. and at the end of the next couple of days, they will have a very good sense because they have got a sub in custody. they will be exploiteding social media and devices like computers and telephones. >> yeah. >> they will come up with a lot of information to determine what the motive is. and we will see if it is connected or not. but i think it is much too early to presume that that's the case. >> let's talk about the word connection, shawn, because, yes, from a forensics standpoint, from an fbi, your standpoint, investigation, these two may not be connected in terms of
actualities and forensics or whether the two suspects knew each other. that that kind of thing. but just the tenor, the discourse, the divisiveness in this country right now. is it fair to say that that has permeated the atmosphere and that is something that raises alarm bells within the fbi, win local law enforcement, thus having to deploy marked cars, uniformed police officers, to places of worship on a sabbath morning? >> of course. when you get what may be considered by some to be a permissive environment where this is perhaps condoned, of course. we talked earlier this week when we were looking at the mail bombing campaign about copycats, people who might see what's occurring. and they were on the edge. and what pushes them over the edge, people that are engaged in this type of activity, it doesn't just begin typically one day they are a law-abiding citizen and the next day they are an active shooter or they
are mailing bombs. that typically doesn't hatch this is typically a long process over months or years that takes place. there may be a defining moment that causes them to go from aspirational to active. in addition to looking to see if there are other coconspirators aligned specifically with this incident, they will be looking to determine the motivation and what they can learn going forward. >> i want to bring clint van zapt back into the conferring and wear your hat as an fbi profilar. i am going to tell you that i have a name in front of me. i will not release this person's name. i can say that it is a male. that is allegedly the suspect that is in custody. but when you look at the profile of somebody who would commit a crime like this, potentially a hate crime, shawn makes the point that these things usually don't just happen overnight.
the sentiments are fermenting for quite some time. speak to that and how you look at that in the investigation. >> well, we have said for years, both for our school shootings, violence in the workplace and others, that a shooter or individual doesn't just snap. he or she has a period that builds up. again, shawn is absolutely right. we have seen these individuals anywhere from just a matter of weeks to a year and a half or longer. the columbine shooters, the two teenagers from columbine in 1999, planned a year and a half before they carried that off. and we see others take that long, too. but you know, i will also say that when you are planning it, you need some emotional initiator. just like on a bomb, you need something to set that bomb off. in the human mind you need something to set you off. i am prepared, i have the guns, i have the ammunition, i know what my target might be. but why today?
why not yesterday? why not next week? there is some emotional initiator. and many times, that can be a recent events. it's the aha phenomenon. aha, now i know what to do, when to carry it out. as we talked earlier, there have been over 275 mass shootings in the united states, four or more people shot in the same shooting. so there are plenty of examples, unfortunately, in this country of an individual, if he or she wants to act out and use a weapon as a form of conflict resolution, those examples are there. all they need to do is initiator, something in their brain that says today is the day, go forward and murder. and that's what happened this morning. >> in terms of those weapons, let's bring in jim cavanaugh into the conversation again. jim we are told there was an ar-style weapon. i believe you have identified it as a long gun, using that vernacular.
also two handguns were found on the suspect who -- i want to reiterate, he surrendered and he was allegedly injured. actually, jim, hold that thought one moment. we will get back in with wpxi's dave johnson who is on the scene live. >> we have been waiting to hear from police. we heard from them about 45 minutes ago and we are -- i am looking back there and seeing if there is any movement. so nothing right now. and i am not sure who these gentlemen are. but when we have that, we will bring it to you right away right here on channel 11 news. obviously, we are going to get word from police, what exactly has happened, what they know about the shooter. anyway, this is moments away. come on through. that's all right. it is a hectic scene here, obviously. so when we -- if you want to come through, come on through.
come through. no problem. we are just feeling like it is seconds away. obviously, we want to get the official word, the very latest for you. when we get that, we are going to bring it to you live. stay with us here on channel 11. there is obviously a lot of great concern. when we hear numbers like eight dead, it is just unbelievable and terrifying and shocking. but we want to get all those details from police, from them officially. so i will send it back to you right now with that. >> we appreciate wpxi's david johnson there. he said reports of eight dead. we have also heard that that number may go up to as many as ten. david very wisely waiting to get official confirmation, which he expects at any time. we are of course going to be watching that camera for you as well. back to you jim cavanaugh and the weapons that were used in this attack on the tree of life synagogue. how easy is it to get a long gun, an ar-style weapon?
is there any sort of -- i mean, what kind of hoops does anybody have to go through to get a weapon like that? >> well, if you are not a prohibited person, a convicted felon or a fugitive from justice or anything you can buy it, buy it at the store. >> buy it on scene and take it home right away? >> and or buy it from a private citizen. very easy to acare. i would like to add onto the conversation you had with clint and shawn. >> shawn, uh-huh. >> i spent my whole life working on these kind of guys. i wanted to book end your discussion with clint talking about it is a usually a slow roll to the radicalization and the hate crime. i would book enyou two case. dylann roof, who radicalized in the white hate movement by himself on the web and killed everybody at mother emmanuel church in charleston, african-americans and frasier glen miller. this was a guy we knew about for
years, years in law enforcement. he killed three people at a jewish community center in 2014. and he was 73 years old. now, dylann roof was in his 20s. frasier glen miller was 73 years old. and he had spent his whole life in the ku klux klan. he started the white -- the white patriot party. he was convicted on firearms violations in the '80s in a plot to kill morris steves. more sis a friend of mine. i am glad he is still working hard against these guys. miller wanted to kill morris des in the '80s. in 2014 he shot up a jewish retirement center in overland park kansas and he killed three people. there you have got a guy here is 46 years old. anti-semitic, goes in with the three guns. just like shawn and clint are talking, we have seen some guys that it takes them a lot of
years before they really decide that the talk is not enough for me, the cross burnings are not enough for me, the storm front website is not enough for me. i have got to do something, i have got to act. i mean their hate just boils out of them. unfortunately, clint and shawn and a lot of us old agents and cops, you know, we came on, really just right post '60s into law enforcement. when we came on it was just -- the smoke wasn't out of the air from these bombings in the civil rights movement, and the killings in the klan. when i came on, we were all working heavily on the klan and the nazis. the fbi was, atf was. these guys always had guns and bombs and were making attack. it was a very busy -- our whole life spent working on these people. and they kind of got tamped down in the '70s. you know, the witnesses were on our side.
everybody was on our side. and really, i have never seen this feeling like it is today, the talk that you see in mainstream areas is anti-set -- anti-semitic talk. the code words that they use. international bankers is what the white hate guys always talk about. the rockets childs, and the false jewish conspiracy that drive this is anti-semitism. and you see the talk getting out in the mainstream with little caveats to it like globalism or bankers over here. so it is -- it kind of morphs back and forth. it is too close to normal talk. i have never seen it this close. before it was condemned. and now it's just -- permeates like nothing we have ever seen. i mean this is the closest time i have seen to that time in the post '60s in the civil rights era. it's just -- it feels like it's
come back again with all these hate crime attacks in the last few years, and this sort of crackpot conspiracy theories that take hold. i mean these things take hold in otherwise normal people. i mean, can you imagine people believing -- i have had people tell me this, you know, in the street, that they think hillary clinton murdered people. they think about -- they think there is a pedophile ring beneath a pizza parlor. this stuff is so crackpot yet people get fed a steady drip, a steady drip of this from certain media and it takes hold in their brain. and you can't convince them it is not so. they believe it's so. so that's a danger where we are in america, the way that talk has reached that level. >> yeah. >> i am sure we are going to find this guy has been a real hater. >> it is an extraordinary thing, jim, when you have to compare these days with those of the civil rights, which were very, very difficult times that this country survived. but thinking we may be even worse todays.
jim cavanaugh thank you for that. you are watching an nbc special report on the deadly shooting at the synagogue there in pittsburgh. i am alex witt. we are going to stay tuned to all of this. we expect the president to potentially make a statement. we will give you that coverage on msnbc. it is the bottom of the hour here at msnbc world headquarters. i am alix with it. we have been on the hair for close to two hours now covering a pretty terrible event that has happened in a suburb of pittsburgh, pennsylvania. the squirrel hill area, where the tree of life synagogue was attacked. we believe that at least eight, perhaps as many as ten have been killed in this shooting at the synagogue. there is a suspect in custody. we are not releasing his name as of yet. but we are identifying him as a 46-year-old man. we know that he was injured in
the melee and that he ended up surrendering to police there. let's go right now to nbc's pete williams, who has the latest, our justice correspondent joining us from d.c. on the phone. >> we have been making an effort to try to confirm the name. we have heard this now from several law enforcement organization has the man that's been arrested is rob bowers, rob bowers, b-o-w-e-r-s, of pittsburgh. 46 years old. has a pittsburgh address. and we have seen it ourselves. and law enforcement officials have also directed us to it. a number of anti-semitic comments made on social media, and some comments about an organization called hias, h-i-a-s, which helps to bring in refugees. and bowers on the social media
makes a number of comments that are both anti-semitic and also saying that there is ana need to act in some unspecified way before hias is able to bring in more people that he calls hostile invaders to dwell among us. this seems to be the person who is responsible for this, has been not only made anti-semitic comments at the time of the shooting afterwards, but has also been making anti-semitic comments on the website and saying that something had to be done before hias brought in refugees. >> okay. pete, i'm not familiar with hias. do you know where that group is based? we can have our researchers try to get information on hias for us. >> i am sorry i have to cut away and do something else. but i wanted to get that information to you. >> nbc's pete williams has given us the name of the suspect.
rob -- full name, resident bowers. we believe him to be from the north versailles community there in pennsylvania. a 46-year-old man. we understand he was injured in the incident today and surrendered to police just a short ways away from the site of the attack, the tree of life synagogue there in the squirrel hill area of pittsburgh. we are keeping a very close look at andrews air force base and the rain. there you see it now, the president is on the way to rallies. we are told he may make a statement on what has been happening this morning. he tweeted about it. kelly o'donnell joins us from the white house with a look at what the president said earlier. kelly, the expectation is the president will indeed make a statement on this incident. >> yes. alex sources are telling me the president intends to speak as he is getting ready to board the
air force one aircraft heading off to indianapolis and later murphy's burrow, illinois. sources tell me the president has been monitoring development. he tweeted a sorttime ago. his second tweet on this issue where he acknowledged things are much worse than he initially and as all of us have observed today. it is a grave situation. we expect the president to comment about this. how this will likely work here, you can see the presidential limousine there. there is a group of reporters who are members of the pool who are assigned on a rotating basis. we are seeing now a shot here. we hope given the weather circumstances the live capability. >> we are following closely the events of squirrel hill. i will be speaking and making a statement at the farmers of america. you see what we are doing -- the future farmers. they have the big conference. and we will be going there. i guess some of you will be going with me and we will be making a major statement. it is a terrible terrible thing what's going on with hate in our country, frankly, and all over the world. and something has to be done. something has to be done. but it looks like the results are coming in, and they are far more devastating than anybody originally thought in the morning. in the morning they thought that it was a shooter, but they had the shooter or they soon would. but the results are very devastating. you are seeing the numbers come in. we will be speaking to you at the conference, the future farmers of america conference. and it's just a shame. to watch this, and to see this for so many years, so much of it, is absolutely a shame. do you have any questions? >> mr. president, do you think you need to revisit gun laws? >> talk up, please. >> gun laws, gun laws, mr. president. >> well, again, this has little to do with it if you take a look. if they had protection inside,
the results would have been far better. this is a dispute that will always exist, i suspect. but if they had some kind of a protection inside the temple, maybe it could have been a very much different situation. but they didn't. and he was able to do thing that unfortunately he shouldn't have been able to do. i hear the police were outstanding. i heard the police did an incredible job. as you know, numerous police were badly injured. but, again, law enforcement did a fantastic job. but we will have a very complete statement for you with the results that are coming in of what took place, how it took place. again, law, enforcement was outstanding as always. i mean, as usual, and as always, law enforcement was really outstanding. they stepped up to the plate. but pittsburgh, great community, incredible people. i spoke with the governor. i spoke to the mayor.
to see this happening again and again and again is just a shame. >> mr. president do you think there is anything you can do since it happens again and again and again to end this kind of violence? >> well, it is a violence that's -- look at the violence all over the world. the world has violence. the world is a a violent world and you think when you are over it it just sort of goes away. but then it comes back in the form of a madman, a wacko. i think one thing we should do is we should stiffen up our laws in terms of the death penalty. when people do this they should get the death penalty and they shouldn'tv to wait years and years. now the lawyers will get involved and everybody is going to get involved and we will be ten years down the line. i think they should stiffen up the laws and i think they should very much bring the death penalty into vogue. anybody that does a thing like this to innocent people that are
in temple or in church -- we have had so many incidents with churches -- they should be -- they should really suffer the ultimate price, they should pay the ultimate price. i have felt that way for a long time. some people disagree with me. i can't imagine why. but this has to stop. so we are going to have a statement at our stop with the young farmers. >> mr. president, towards the beginning of your presidency, you met with the nra, you said maybe you were the president who could help solve this. do you see that now as a possibility? >> it is a case where -- again, nobody knows exactly what took place yet. it's too soon. but if there were a case where if they had a armed guard inside they might have been able to stop him immediately. this may be a case for if there was an armed guard inside the temple they would have been able to stop him and there would have been nobody killed except for him, frankly. so it is a very, very -- very difficult situation. when you look at it, we can look
at it two ways. again, if they had somebody to protect people -- now, isn't it a shame that you even have to speak that way? isn't it a shame that we even have to think about that inside of a temple or inside of a church? but certainly, the results might have been far better. >> i would like to follow up with you. do you think that all churches and synagogues should have armed guards? >> i hate to think of it that way. i will say that. i hate to think of that. so we will see you with the future farmers. >> is that what you are suggesting? >> it is certainly an option. in this world, this is a world with a lot of problems. and it has been a world with a lot of problems for many years. many, many years. and you could say, frankly, for manien is centuries. i mean you look at what goes on. certainly, you want protection. and they didn't have any protection. they had a maniac walk in. and they didn't have any protection. and that is just so sad to see. so sad to see. the results could have been much
better. it is a very, very -- it is a very difficult thing. for me to stand as president and to watch any of this go, you know, before i ran for office, i would watch instances like this with churches and other things, i would say, what a shame, what a shame. it is even tougher when you are president of the united states and you have to watch this kind of a thing happen. it is so sad to see. we will see you at the -- with the young farmers. a lot of them are out there. >> do you think there is anything you can do with the nra? earlier this year -- >> we are always talking. we are always talking with the nra. >> all right. the president there making a statement, and sharing his thoughts about things though saying a more fully prepared statements will be come from the future farmers of america rally that he will be holding in just a short while. no doubt he is trying to give a lot of thought to this as will
his speech writers and communications counsellors. this is something that the president has tweeted about twice today. and we have to acknowledge it may weigh very heavily on him given the fact that his son-in-law jared kushner is both ju herb by culture and also by practicing faith. and his daughter ivanka has also joined the jewish faith in practice. and they are raising their children in a jewish faith home and they do not watch television. they keep certain sacraments on the sabbath. the sabbath day is the day that the tree of life dong grags was attacked, that synagogue in squirrel hill pennsylvania. we know at least eight are dead. as many as ten potentially. three police officers included in those who were shot. a total of 12 shot. the numbers are still coming through here. interestingly, i want to break down some of the things the president said. to do that i am joined by andy carr, former bush chief of
staff. the president got into a few points there that would certainly be the kinds of things discussed in the oval office one of them being that he believes the death penalty needs to be a lot stiffer. he said he didn't like the fact that ten years from now we would still be talking about this. you get lawyers involved and the like. then he went off in the way that he describes things, a bit rambling, but that was the point that he made. are you surprised by that? >> well, this is a tough time for america, and it is a tough time for the president of the united states. these are terrible burdens that a president has to carry. he's carrying a burdenan right now. i do -- a duburden right now. i think it is important that we understand what happened and understand what the potential mitigating circumstances could have been. yes, there will always be a debate about punishment and there will be a debate about guns. i don't think it is inappropriate to have that debate. i don't know that we know enough to say what would have been prevented this attack. i do think this is a terrible day. my wife is a member of the
clergy. on the sabbath day to have something like this happen, this is terrible for marrying. i think the president should be consoling us, expressing deep concern for the nature of culture that invites this terrible type of action. we don't need hate language. we don't need stirring the pot of hatred and causing people who are probably unstable to do thing that no logical person would do. that may be the case here. we just don't know enough about it. it is a tough day for the president. a tough day for the people in squirrel hill, pennsylvania. i know that area. this is not what america is about. and we have got to set a kinder climate in this country to mitigate this from happening. and people should be paying attention to eacher to. if they see a problem alert us to it. alert officials to it long before it manifests into something like this. i guarantee there was someone that saw this gentleman and said he is a troubled man, and we might have been able to prevent it that way as well. >> andy i am going to ask you to
stan by. i have another question i want to ask of you, right now we are joined by wpxi's aaron martin joining us by the phone. what's the latest. >> we are waiting on a news conference from different city and state officials we are told will be starting momentarily. it has been active over the last 90 minutes or so. we have had a lot of people coming on the scene to see what is happening. squirrel hill is a neighborhood where there is an awful lot of synagogues a lot people. a lot of people have been coming up and asking what's going on. they said they are likely to know people inside the synagogue. i just spoke with a rabbi who had a congregation inside that synagogue. he told me as many as three congregations were likely meeting there this morning. we heard there was a chance there was a bris going on as well. there was a lot of people inside, potentially more than you would have on your normal saturday morning.
that of course makes the situation even more difficult. but a lot of the information that's out there right now we are hoping to get clarified in the next couple of minutes when the news conference begins. >> aaron, i want to have you look around and tell me what you are seeing there. we have reports of when all of this was underway around 10:30 or so, there was someone who is a resident, not part of the congregation was about to step out of his home to go about his saturday morning business, and he was ushered back inside by s.w.a.t. he said he saw about 30 police cars there. you can imagine. you have talked about the chaos and just the challenges of trying to get ahold of what is happening when you have an active shooter situation. what's it like right now, some two-plus hours later? >> it is definitely much calmer now than it was a couple of hours ago. i came on the scene ten minutes after that. i live not far from here. it was as many police as i have ever seen in this area. police officers from other agencies as well who responded very quickly.
there were s.w.a.t. vehicles coming in. s.w.a.t. personnel. right now we are starting to see it calm down a lot. we have seen a lot of vehicles leave. we just saw a couple s.w.a.t. members that are just kind of casually walking back to their vehicles. so it is definitely a much waumer situation in terms of the -- much calmer situation in terms of the police presence. a lot of police are still here that i believe are still working the scene. we are two blocks back from the synagogue right now. but it is definitely a active scene still. >> we have been told that the building itself has been cleared. we have had shawn henry here formerly with the fbi but he said that doesn't mean that the investigation is over with that particular facility. cleared would mean there is nothing more active, nobody else in the face of danger at this point. how about the local citizens? you can imagine, aaron, and you being a community resident yourself, you said you weren't far away -- i mean what does this do to shake the fears of people on a beautiful saturday
morning? they have to be in shock right now. >> yeah. there's no doubt about it. i mean, this has shaken the entire community. it is unnerving seeing the community like this. because squirrel hill is a very nice community, a very quiet community. very large jewish population. saturday morning you are seeing a lot of people walking to services at synagogue and things of that nature. it is a -- you know, this whole area is very active normally on a saturday morning where a lot of people are out. and just to see something like in speaking to residents, they say you always in the back of your mind fear something like this to happen but you never imagine it could happen in your own place of wore shichl that's what they are dealing with right now. it's just a real -- it is a surreal scene. i don't know any other way to put it. >> it is extraordinary that statement that you said about people see these thing happening and you can never imagine it happens in their own backyards. yet it repeats itself over and over again.
over 200 mass shootings in this country, categorized as any one, more than four people having been shot. which is a tragic number in itself. of course today we are adding to that. the suspect is 46-year-old rob bowers. are you hearing anything about him? quickly before we go to your colleague david johnson. >> we haven't heard anything directly about it. i briefly asked the former rabbi who used to be over at the synagogue and have a congregation there. he said he hadn't heard that name before. >> okay. >> we just heard it within the last couple of minutes. we are working to find out more about it now. >> okay. aaron martin thank you so much for that. david johnson of wpxi. >> a former past president of the congress grags we interviewed earlier before. he had not heard this name. sometimes when you are in a position like a rabbi or a congress grant who is in
position of authority and you see these postings and you hear sometimes the rantings of people, quite probably like this, you might remember a name if it pops up over and over. again, as i have been asking people, they have not heard this name. the suspect's name. i did want to check that. that's one of the things i wanted to bring you. i am checking behind me here. so far, no movement. we were told many minutes ago that there would be an update on what has happened, how many people have been hurt, how many fatalities, how the injured are doing, how this all went down, and possibly more information about the suspect. we are still waiting for that. the media is gathered here. a number of people who are from the area are concerned. we have so many people just from the neighborhood. peggy, you have been talking about this, you know, it's quite likely they know people inside. i believe i will know somebody
inside. so there is a great air of anticipation right here right now at the corner of murray and north umberland in squirrel hill. just a few blocks away basically in that direction where the synagogue is. i will send it back to you. >> david, catherine and joe asked me, i will ask you the same question, can you remember anything like this? i think of richard bomb hammer he is, who was it? rodney taylor. do you remember a story like this in pittsburgh? >> no. you have to go back to those two incidents. i think they happened in that one year, around the year 2000, where we have a mass shooting in pittsburgh. and then the shocking nature of this on a saturday morning, on a sabbath day for the jewish community. shabat where there was a ceremonial service, we understand, a bris, a ceremonial circumcision of an 8-day-old
boy. there were people gathered in there. but to answer your question, especially in the city of pittsburgh i cannot remember something like this. it is a terrifying, terrifying thing for people as i look at them now, and their faces for them to hear about in and to realize it happened across the street, around the corner from them, in their own community that peggy you have been describing as one of the great, great neighborhoods in this area. people love to come here. it is just a wonderful, wonderful place. to have this happen here is just an utter shock. >> yeah, and david, tell us more about your squirrel hill. this is your neighborhood. you live here. you raised your boys here. tell us about that neighborhood and how shocking something like this is. it is just something you would never expect. >> i can't even describe it. i walk past that synagogue. i drive past it literally every day. i drive past that synagogue.
i walk past it. i have riddan my bike past it. the children's institute is right across the street. that's the corner of wilkins and shady, one of the major intersections in squirrel hill. i love this neighborhood. it is a beautiful neighborhood. it is a great mix of people. christians, jews, muslims, others. so many, so many people who have moved in here. you have the influence of university of pittsburgh and cmu. i am just checking to see if anybody is coming behind me. the movie theaters, the restaurants, the stores, the houses, the feeling of real neighborhood. we have block parties here where we close off the streets. we just had one on my street, which is only a few blocks away. it's just -- it's -- i understand that the public safety director, wendel historic is coming right out to speak to us. we are going to get an update.
peggy, back to your question, it's just -- when i moved here in 1985, i knew, and i actually lived in another neighborhood at the time, i knew i wanted to be in squirrel hill. this is the place i wanted to be. i wanted my children to go to school here. they did. they went to high school not far from here. so it is a place, like so many around the country, that they just don't think this can happen here. that's what we think in squirrel hill. >> okay. david, yeah, i'm going to let you get ready for the next leg -- >> all right, everybody. that's what we are going to do as well. we will wait to get the official word from the public safety officer who should be coming to the microphone to give us the details and fact and figures we are always straining to get in these kinds of situation. anderson ecarr, former bush chief of staff. i want to get back to something the president said. i know you were listening as he was about to board air force one bound for a rally. he talked about the hate in our country, the hate in the world and how despicable it is.
but he suggested that were there to have been somebody with protection as he described it inside of that religious house that perhaps that would have mitigated the carnage that we are seeing. that perhaps the only person who would have been injured if not killed would have been the shooter himself. it is a thought that not only is a thought, but it has been put into practice by many congregations around this country of various faiths when they feel the need to either bring in police protection, hire offduty police officers, and or, sir, train their own members to take shifts, to operate one various sunday or sabbath, and be out in a lobby area to protect those that are inside just worshipping. i would just like you to speak to that and to the difficulties that it presents just processing the need for this?
>> it is certainly not a world that i want to have become a reality. i think it would be very, very strange if i were to go to my wife's church and there would be an armed guard at the door. it is not what we are used to. it is not what we should have. i am not sure it is the right solution but look, everything should be on the table. we should talk about everything. it should be situational. you know, a situation in new hampshire would be different than a situation in new york city or -- i don't understand. squirrel hill is a fortunate i don't know well, but i have been there a couple of times. it is not a place that i would have thought something like this could have happened but it happened there. i don't know the right answer. i do think the rhetoric that is used by most of our elected leadership should be very careful in how they use it. and you know, i don't like insightful language. i don't like insightful actions that would cause people to take the wrong step. i am not sure it is intentional when the relate rick is offered.
but -- when the rhetoric is offered. but some people are listening and say i am going to react in a negative way that would be harmful. i want people to be careful with rhetoric they lose, especially our elected officials. not just the president, but other elected officials as well, both parties. it is important for us to have language today that is respectful that causes people to participate in our democracy in a good, clean way. i want people to come and vote. i want people to have the courage to run for office. i want people to be respectful of people who serve in government even they they may disagree with some. policies they articulate. that is what america is about. i want a calming voice to lead our country. i am hoping the president's voice will be one of those calming voices. but it should be an echo on both sides of the aisle on the political spectrum. it should all be talking about the need for us to value life, to value respect, and value dialogue that -- and value the reality of a democracy that can
talk about things without being angry. >> well said andy carr. my last question to you, sir, as we listen to the president answering a few questions before boarding air force one, would you have advised him to either make a more i guess definitive statement on his thoughts, or would you have suggested that he wade into these different areas rather freewheeling as the reporters were asking him questions? how would you advise the president to handle things this morning? >> i think offer calming language, language of concern, language of sincere sympathy and empathy for the challenges that our community is going to have. think of this community in squirrel hill, pennsylvania, and what they are going through. think of the families, think of the people who were inside the synagogue that witnessed this, think of the victims and their families. that's the empathy that i would like to see. i thought the question from a reporter talking about gun control was not very appropriate
at this time. that's not the time to have that debate. and certainly, you wouldn't be able to solve that problem overnight anyway. so i -- this is a time for reflection, for telling people that we will stand together and let's show a little bit more love and compassion and try to help everybody out. >> andy card, again, well said, simple thank you for weighing in. we appreciate your insights. shawn henry, oncen again to you. you have spent over a couple of hours sitting here with me as we have been breaking down this story. shawn, you have gotten nuggets of information. how does social media play into all of this? i will once again say the suspect's name because it is now out there, 46-year-old rob bowers. he's of north versailles, pennsylvania. it is a suburb there of pittsburgh. what happens next in the investigation? >> you know, law enforcement officers, the pd in pittsburgh, as well as the fbi and others are going to be looking for the motivation here, what was the cause of this, what have the impetus, what did we know?
were there signs are there signs offing in coming forward later that he had planned or with other coconspirators. i looked at the alleged shooter resident bowers' social media. it appears to be his social media. it has been taken down by twitter. there were anti-semitic rants. >> do you know how long it had gone back. >> it appears a couple of months. one as recently as the last couple of days. he has been talking about hias, apparently a jewish refugee organization. and he talked about the invaders and that we can't make america great again as long as we have this infestation. jewish infestation. interestingly he appears to have made anti-trump rants saying trump is a globalist and not a nationalist. he is anti-trump, and that he actually voted against trump or didn't vote for trump.
moments and 2:30 the department of justice and jeff sessions and others at that point. you mentioned kirstjen nielsen and she will have commentary in the next hour, too. >> sandra: we look forward to that. that's it from "america's newsroom." , right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, president trump will address the investigation into the mail bombs just moments from now. as fox news confirms, a man has been arrested in florida and connection to the devices, to cope more devices were found today. one in new york city. addressed to former james clapper, and went to florida, addressed to senator cory booker. catherine herridge's live in washington, d.c., right now with more as we watch the van of the suspect -- that's what you're seeing on your screen, they are -- it is being taken away to be examined. we wait for the president. you see that above us on the screen. catherine, what you have?
>> thanks, melissa. they are very fluid moving quickly this morning. about an hour ago we confirmed through fox news that a male suspect had been arrested in florida in connection to the dozen suspicious packages sent to different parts of the united states. we also understand that they are considering whether other individuals were involved. at this point, the single arrested. the venue see there on the left, we believe blocks individual. the blue tarp has evidence. we were told after the reporting of my colleague, rick rosenthal, that the individual had lived in the new york city area. he is in his 50s. he was more recently living in florida and was already known to federal authorities and law enforcement authorities for prior terroristic threats. terroristic threats under the law are threats to commit an act of violence against an individual, individuals, or
property. it can also encompass threats of a political nature to influence a branch of government. that something we will be watching forward to hear from the attorney general about two and half hours from now. now that we look back on the last 12 hours, it seems clear that the fbi investigation was moving very quickly and very aggressively. some of our contacts here at fox news said that the bureau is being held little cagey and tight-lived about the geographic location they were focused on with the bomber. but we knew from our own reporting that florida had become an area of interest. after that, there was a search of a postal facility just outside of miami, or the miami suburbs. there was a particular attention played too, as you expect, security camera video at the self-service kiosk.
also, cctv footage at surrounding businesses, as well. just to not draw to find a line under it, we have known for a reporting in the last 72 hours that they really has been a wealth of forensic evidence that was available to the fbi, and that has certainly facilitated this investigation. we were told this morning that, had advanced to the point where the fbi was reaching out to retailers to determine the point of purchase for elements s packages. things like the manila envelope. also, the pipes. also, the explosive powder that was inside. finally, what i would say is that there has been reporting sort of across the spectrum as to how dangerous these devices may or may not have been. i was told that some of the devices were considered so dangerous and unstable -- that's the key freeze here, "
"unstable" -- that they were transported to quantico, virginia, the hub for the forensic analysis. >> melissa: catherine, thank you so much. we understand we will hear from the president and a short time. will they reveal the identity of this man? do you have any idea? >> i don't want to speculate, for folks at home. typically, the identification of a suspect would come from the attorney general or the fbi director. we are expecting a news conference at the justice department just a couple of hours from now. that's not to say we couldn't get an identification for the president, but that would not be typically how it's done. it would usually be done by the justice department branch or arm of government, if you will. the president could speak to the larger issues as he has throughout the week about securing the country. also, finding out who or what was responsible and bringing the
full force of the u.s. justice system to bear on that individual or individuals. >> harris: the president has tweeted. he said "i will be speaking at the young black leadership summit in 15 minutes where i will address the investigation into the bond packages." so we know that will be coming up in the next minutes, because that wasn't that long ago. catherine, you mention something that was the first time we have heard some detail about this. people have asked "why didn't the packages exclude? think of a board they didn't." were talking, though, about some of them being so unstable they felt that they couldn't get to quantico with them. that's an important individual n interesting detail. speak of the information has been shifting a lot this week. i think it's a reflection on how quickly investigations have been moving. you don't have a complete picture. the latest information i have this morning was that some of the devices were considered very dangerous and unstable. that is the the key descriptor
there, "unstable." that they were destroyed instead of transported to quantico, virginia. >> melissa: what does unstable mean to you? we heard rick leventhal say that some of the didn't have triggering devices. that the powder and trigger could, with static electricity, blow up on its own. >> again, i don't want to speculate. it's just too serious a discussion to do that. the description i was given was "unstable." >> melissa: >> harris: when youg yesterday with us on "outnumbered" and "outnumbered overtime," you were just starting to learn that authorities were zeroing in on what parts the country. later in the day we saw an arrival of the feds. that antiterrorism unit, we were learning, might include nypd. then, of course, we saw today that it did. maybe the connection might have been that this man had lived in
new york. whatever it was. as you are learning, this was eerie in zeroing in. was florida early on? >> based on information i was able to obtain along with our producer, we were told that florida -- it was described to us as a region of interest. that, in some ways, on its face, it is pretty self-explanatory when you look at the big picture, here. a number of the devices -- i don't want to say originated, but i'm going to say at that point will be new is that they were coming to addresses in florida and, of course, the return address was this a misspelling of debbie wasserman schultz. a member, the device sent to former attorney general eric holder field to be delivered because the address was not correct or it just wasn't the right address for him. so we went back to congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz's office, and that's when it was -- we thought we had to packages, but in fact, there was one.
on this point, of florida, we talked a bit about forensic profiling based on the evidence and individual. there is also some may call geographic profiling. i was talking about last hour. when you have different data points, so you know how many packages you have. you know geographically how they spread across united states. you also know the timing of when they have been discovered, and you can look back in some cases to when they were processed through postal facilities. you can triangulate that information using algorithms, and you can start to see areas where the suspect or suspects were likely operating out of in order to get the packages to all those destinations with the time frame that you have been able to identify. so you can translate that information down into areas wheu can really start to drill down. i think one of the things that we may find out today is that this investigation was really moving at a lightning pace, because of a number of factors. not just the evidence, not just
what they were able to process. what they saw from cctv. but, now, rick leventhal's information about this person being known to them -- that's a huge leg up in any investigation. >> harris: i had been reading about the mail center they were focused in on late yesterday, and into today. it handles hundreds of thousands of packages per day. they were looking at that, as well, in terms of that original or origin-based information that they might get. not saying they all came from there, but they were looking for that. plantation, florida is where we were watching this. catherine herridge is a long with breaking news for us. catherine, before he let you go, we can see on the left-hand side of the screen, live, is a tarp -ed van. it was taken from the premises of the suspect. this 56 euro man. we don't know his name yet. we could learn that from the authorities coming up. the president is set to speak
within a short few minutes here, we are told. he lived in south florida. what more do we know, or what more are be gathering at at ths point about anything on the premises? about him, but anything connected to him? >> i just want to stick with what i think we can say with confidence. they are treating that van, or that a vehicle, a crime scene evidence. we want to be able to do is determine whether he was building these devices in his home, may be in his van, and whether he had any kind of assistance from other individuals, either and knowingly or unknowingly. one of the reasons they secured the van -- if you think of it like a murder scene, if you will, you want to have everything attacked because you want to be able to have, number one, an effective chain of evidence for any prosecution. number two, you want to see if any of the devices removed in that vehicle. number three, whether any of the devices were even constructed in
that vehicle. whether you are finding dna of others which can be explained away because of contact that he is having with other individuals, as opposed to individuals who were in some way part of -- wittingly or unwittingly -- inputting the devices together. this is like taking a piece of evidence from a crime scene. it just happens to be a huge piece of evidence. it's a vehicle. >> harris: one law enforcement official described to me yesterday that the bombs themselves -- anything this individual would have touched -- would be a "forensic bonanza." catherine herridge is always leaning on you for a great reporting today. we'll bring you back as you learn more. steve rogers is here. steve, you work in counterintelligence in the state of new jersey. you have been with us on many occasions. unfortunately, for these things. today, though, good news -- none of these devices have exploded. no injuries at all, and they
have a suspect in all this. >> yes, i will build a little timeline for you. president trump's quick decision to mobilize the full weight of the u.s. government's law enforcement agencies resulted in what we have today. i will tell you why. he mobilize the atf, the fbi, military intelligence agencies, local state and county law enforcement. when catherine herridge said it was a rapid response -- very rapid -- all these agencies were brought together at all of these experts were able to use their skills and talents to bring us where we are today. >> melissa: i know you were a member of the fbi joint terrorism task force. that's one of the reasons we always bring them on the situations and talk to you about this. you have a lot of insight. looking at what we know so far, in terms of the devices, the event being driven a. do you think someone else is behind this? could one person could have dol this caused mark what is the profile, generally?
>> i believe this is one person. because of the quickness of the devices that were mailed, he could have had them pilot. every day, may 1, male and other, male another. just a crazed individual who decided to take this action, for whatever reason. believe me, the motive is going to be very important. police are going to find the motive from this individual. but i believe it is one person. by the way, they are rudimentary devices. they were never meant to blow u up. it was made for fear. >> harris: the new reporting from catherine as they were dangerous and unstable. >> we always err on the side of caution. on the scene, if they believe there was a possibly something to happen, let's err on the side of safety. that's why they say it was unstable. be one all right, we are all checking our devices right now. we are still working to confirm. always most comfortable with resources, police got two on the name. a second federal source
identifying suspected arrest as caesar of aventura, florida. as we look at this, we have been looking at notes for about an hour now because he been coming in. we have been waiting for a strangulation of confirmation. this is a singular source close to the white house, first. and now a source the federal level saying that caesar say out, 56 years old as catherine herridge was telling us, known to authorities. why is that so important at this point? >> that information that the police have on them, they like to be him great he had to be in a database paid somewhere in the radar. maybe perhaps he was arrested for a terrorist threats. maybe in the past he had something to do with devices. that's why it is very important. a very important components. >> melissa: catherine said he did have a history of terroristic threats. how do you define that in general? >> see what he did with these
bomb devices? that's terroristic threats. he could have a history of doing something like that. arrested, may be served some time. we will find out. release. sometimes -- you define a person who commits terroristic threats, who commits active terror like this. even a verbal threat. if the person believes that this individual will kill you or harm you, you charge them with terroristic threats. he's on the radar. >> melissa: the biggest concern right now would be, are there more devices out there? that would be the value of interviewing him immediately and trying to figure that out. what do you think are the odds of that, and how do we know for sure? >> we won't know for sure, but i'm sure we will tomorrow or the next day. if he did have more devices and he believed that the police were getting closer, he could have dumped them in the mail rep for the police arrived on the scene. >> harris: we will be able to look at things before we necessarily share them without
attribution to our audience, but just from what we are knowing about him, his connections to the northern part of the east coast, it's interesting because of your background. we saw that nypd jacket on the ground. we knew there were people from this area. this metro area, who had gone down. would it necessarily be that he lived a new art, to get that kind of -- or is it because some of these packages went there? >> he could have traveled to new york, and traveled back. we don't know. the point is, the police are certainly going to ask those questions, and they are going to do a lot of investigating. >> melissa: i'm going to put on hold for a quick second. catherine herridge has new information. we want to get it from her right away. >> along with my colleague we have been able to confirm that there were five penned register warrants launch with the southern district of florida, and the date is yesterday.
that is an investigative device that allows the fbi to see exactly what numbers are coming from your telephone. whether it is a land line, whether it is a cell phone. this helps them understand your web of contacts. it also helps them understand who you were in touch with at the time that the devices were mailed. before and after. these were under seal, but we were told that the registers were for cesar sayoc. i want to draw your attention to the timing. this pen register information absolutely backs up what rick leventhal was saying earlier, which is that they had the suspect on the radar for at least 24 hours. i can tell you for my own experience, you have to have sufficient evidence to show probable cause to get a pen register, so that takes us back as early as october 24th. much earlier this week. again, more evidence of how quickly this investigation was
going. they had five penned register warrants. they were sealed in the southern district of new york. we have confirmed that they were for cesar sayoc, suspect of these suspicious packages. allows them just to see the nus called by the individual and received by the individual. this goes with the effort to determine whether it was a lone actor or whether other individuals were involved, willingly or unwillingly. >> harris: we will go back, this van is headed someplace. the fbi office in miramar, florida is where we are told they are taking that suspect's van. phil keating is on the ground there. phil? >> harris, this is the spot. the headquarters of the fbi miami division where we believe the suspect is probably already inside being processed, finger printed, perhaps read his miranda rights and further questioned on this investigatio
investigation. national interest. we believe that the convoy of about five or six unmarked suvs belonging to the fbi -- which is escorting the tow truck upon which is the suspect's van, which was put onto the flatbed tow truck implantation. that's really just five or 10 miles due north and northeast of us. right now, according to the helicopter arrows we are seeing live on television, that caravan with a suspect's vehicle, which they covered with at plutarch. we did see aerial prior to them covering it with the blue tarp just completely plastered with what appears to be political propaganda all over it. including written out phrases for the drivers around the road and traffic to read. not just pictures and little slogan bumper stickers. on the dashboard, when they zoom in tight you can see, it is just covered with items. it is unclear what all that is, of course.
aventura pd, which is a allegedly where the suspect resides. he used to live in new york. 56 years old, as you just heard. he was arrested, apparently come implantation. perhaps he was driving around in his van, had been followed. the fbi, the department of justice will clear up all of this at their 2:30 news conference from washington, d.c., from doj headquarters. we are expecting that big caravan, and of course everyone will be looking directly at the blue covered tarp white van belonging to the alleged suspect here in this massive wave of 72 hours worth of domestic terrorism package mail bombs sent to facilities. it's been a very busy 24 or 48 hours here in south florida. going back to wednesday, when one of these package bombs in a manila envelope arrived to congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz's office in sunrise, just west of plantation. we thought it was odd that all the packages around the country
sent to president obama, as well as president bill and hillary clinton 'house up there in new york, all had a bogus return address of debbie wasserman schulte 'his congressional office. certainly -- >> melissa: i just want to study for second here. what we are watching on the site is they have pulled over because the tarp has come off the van. it has flown onto the side of the road, uncovering it. everybody can see some of the things that are on the side of the van they are stickers everywhere. not a terribly subtle way, if you are trying -- if you are a male bomber or a pipe bomb or who is trying not to get caught, the van is just covered with all kinds of -- you would turn and look look at that van a matter where you work, no matter what you are doing. they have now pulled over to the side of the road here, trying to get the tart back on. we were talking about this idea of -- it's not just obscuring what's on there, it's trying to preserve what is essentially a crime scene. i don't know -- phil, your
thoughts? go ahead. they got it back on. >> we have all seen the cars and trucks and vans like this around the country, covered with political or ideological or just issues that are important to them. turning the vehicle into a public billboard to drive around and influence others' mines. of course, very extremely rarely do those people then try and carry out some sort of active domestic terrorism or any sort of crime. which is what the suspect is currently standing accused of. they will soon be an route here back to that mail processing facility near the airport. that was where the fbi agents in miami-dade police with their bomb teams and their dogs, they went in yesterday afternoon as a cautionary measure. something certainly triggered federal investigators to suspect that perhaps some, if not all, of the packages had gone through
that main south florida facility where all outgoing mail from broward county, miami-dade county, and monroe county, goes through it. disseminated around the country. as well as all-male coming in from around the country goes through there. it is believed that the package that arrived at debbie wasserman schultz's office was the one addressed to eric holder, and return to sender. in last night surge, where they cleared the building, the dog team somebody visually notice the package that looked very similar to all these other pipe on packages. that's what the fbi confirmed that 11th package here in south florida this morning. >> harris: well met, that's incredible detail. phil is reporting for us in miramar florida, that's where the van on the left of your screen, life. as most sub pointed out a few seconds ago, they had to put the tarp back on. it was covered with ulcers of stickers and whatnot. it's also a moving crime scene. as catherine herridge had talked
about, you got to protect it, inside and out. they are beating the struggle of driving down the highway against a lot of wind to try and keep it covered up. phil, where you are, you were talking about the aventura police and we have learned about the suspect's connection to cities in south florida. as his van makes his way to the fbi headquarters for forensics. we will lean on you for a little bit more detail. before we do that, on the right side of your screen, the top box above my head, that is inside the white house. the president of the united states is to be making a comment very shortly. he is at a youth leadership, black leadership group today that he is speaking with. that was a big event already on the calendar. he has already tweeted out by himself that in the next couple of minutes he will be talking about what's happening with the bombing package investigation. with phil keating on the ground, phil, this van is pulling slowly
now off the freeway. >> melissa: i just want to point out to people, you see human beings on the back of that van, they are. they have climbed aboard. these are some of the forensic investigators. they have climbed aboard to try and hold that tarp on the back of the van because it did blow off. in case you're wondering why there are people sort of dangling off the back of the truck, they are, that's what has happened. >> harris: two things, too. end of the screens as plantation, florida. it's not as large as it would appear. now we are inching our way toward miramar, florida. as soon as the van stops on the back of that tow truck, i think are graphic to the top and the left screen -- oh look, it just changed. broward county. we want to make sure we read about this. we have steve rogers sitting with us, too, phil. we want you to stand by because this thing is rolling toward you. steve, with all of your forensics background, melissa just noted -- you've got human beings trying to preserve the moving crime scene.
>> absolute right, the tarp is there to preserve evidence. the one thing they don't want to have happen is people see those written things on the van and take pictures, and then you have the internet problems. people were formulate motives in their own mind. this is not going to be effectually evidenced-based investigation, let the police figured with the motive was. >> melissa: i think the cat may be out of the bag. >> i know, but we have learned in law enforcement that it's best to complete investigation with all the facts before we start pointing fingers. >> harris: just try not to make it worse. >> exactly right. >> harris: so, phil, we have adjusted the name on our screen. broward county, and we are rolling. they have a plantation rolling toward you in miramar. what's on the other side, as far as you know? >> some interesting background, wsb m, the fox news affiliate in south florida, they are learning
from miami-dade police sources, they are reporting that the suspect had been arrested in miami-dade county in the year 2002 for making a bomb threat and again in 2012 or 2014 for allegedly shoplifting at a walmart. investigators did have his fingerprints from those incidents. whether that was then used with all of the forensics that we suspect were all over these packages that did not explode at all of these homes of very prominent democrats all over the country, it would seem very likely that they could easily match up those forensics if they were able to pull those off the packages. search the fingerprint databases nationally, give us a name. in conjunction with that, all of the packages sent out and arriving on wednesday and thursday and another one this morning all had the debbie wasserman schultz, the congressman from broward county's, address as the return address.
maybe we should check this u.s. post office sorting facility, may be the pieces of mail went through there. >> melissa: okay. phil, thank you for that. a couple minutes ago we were able to see a piece of the van and we are able to get a screen grab of it. we want to show you how much we could see from there. you can see how many stickers there are all over this van. i have no idea how you would even see out in order to be able to drive a lot of those have to do the president and the vice president to come as you see there. every single window -- if you or somebody was trying to hide from authorities, i don't know that this is such a smart way to do it. >> harris: steve rogers, of course, joining us. it's interesting, because that person had to be aware that authorities were aware of them. what phil keating just give us is a history. part of a criminal history that we can gain from our local fox nation, wsb n, down in florida. i saw you out of the corner of
my eye nodding saying "that's what i was talking about." what did you mean? >> i was talking about the terroristic threat end of it, when she mentioned "what is a terroristic threat customer" and phil described it, as a result of his prior arrests in 2002. here, they had in their data bank they had the fingerprints. they had the police reports. they had this guy on their radar. amazingly, because of how quick they were able to do comparative analysis with regard to this guy, we have him now. >> harris: 2004 was shoplifting from a retail store. so it was separate from that 2,000 -- was it 2014, okay. it's interesting, because you start to pile on with their forensic evidence. even if the crimes are connected. even if they aren't even similar to each other. >> they are in the same report, the same rap sheet. you are right, they don't have to be connected. in effect, the totality of information about a suspect.
>> melissa: we can see the truck pulling in here. this is miramar, florida. where are reporters on the ground. he has seen this is a vantage point you are seeing, as this truck arrives and they are beginning to do analysis on it. steve, what are the very first things that they are going to do? >> they are going to take pictures of everything. that's the first thing. they always take photographs. secondly, they will be looking for physical evidence that they can see with the human eye, and then they will bring forensic teams in to look at -- even for microscopic evidence. you're looking for dna, for fingerprints, you are even looking for a strand of hair. believe me, it gets drilled down that far. however, keep in mind -- they also are going to be looking for the possibility of maybe somebody else's fingerprints. >> harris: steve, i will ask you to stand by for one second. phil keating can see this as the happening. phil? >> yes, this is five lanes away from us right now. you can see that massive convoy of federal law enforcement
agents. you can see very clearly, the agents there on top of the flatbed tow truck, on the backside and in the front keeping that blue tarp down. it is now entering the very secure gates of the fbi's miami division headquarters. they are following the route for delivery. it would be processed and held here for all evidence that fedel agents can glean. cesar sayoc is the suspect that has been named, now, as a suspect in these package pipe bombs. that is the vehicle that was taken into custody, as well as him, in plantation earlier today. back to you. >> harris: phil keating, we are going to break for the president inside the white house. he is at a youth black leadership conference but expected, according to his own twitter feed, to begin with comments about the suspicious packages investigation. let's watch. [cheers and applause] >> president trump: thank you very much. what a group.
what a group. what a great honor to have you. thank you. it is a great, great honor to have you in the white house. thank you very much. [cheers and applause] they call this, as you know, this is a young black leadership. it is the summit. to have you here is truly my privilege. we are going to have a lot of fun. we are going to talk, we are going to meet. [cheers and applause] but before -- before i do, i would like to begin -- you are leaders, you are real leaders. i would like to begin today's remarks by providing an update on the packages and devices that have been mailed to high-profile figures throughout our country and a media organization. i am pleased to inform you that
law enforcement has apprehended the suspect and taken him into custody. [cheers and applause] an incredible job by a law enforcement. we have carried out a far-reaching federal state and local investigation trying to find the person or persons responsible for these events. the events are despicable and have no place in our country. no place. [applause] i have instructed authorities to spare no resource or expense in finding those responsible, and bringing them to swift and certain justice. [applause] and, we will prosecute them, him, her, whoever it may be, to the fullest extent of the law. [cheers and applause] we must never allow political
violence to take root in america. we cannot let it happen. we are committed to do everything to stop it. to stop it now. stop it now. i have just concluded a briefing with the department of justice, following the apprehension of the suspect. i want to applaud the fbi, secret service, the department of justice, the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york, the nypd, and all law enforcement throughout the entire country. incredible partners. these people have worked so hard, and to have done it so quickly -- it's looking like a needle in a haystack. how do you do this so quickly? they have done an incredible, incredible job. i want to congratulate them. [cheers and applause]
americans must unify and we must show the world that we are united together in peace, love, and harmony as fellow american citizens. there is no country like our country, and every day we are showing the world just how truly great we are. you are really very special people. i wanted to say that before our little talk. i appreciate the time you have given me. boy, one day, one of you is going to be standing -- it could be three or four of you, actually. but you are going to be standing right here. [cheers and applause] you will be standing right here. i have no doubt. i have no doubt. who in this room wants to be president someday? [cheers and applause] so it's an ambitious group. it's an ambitious group, that's great. anyway -- thank you all very much. i really appreciate it.
for the media, thank you very much. i thought i would do that. we feel very strongly. again, congratulations to all law enforcement. we have the best in the world, and they just showed it. thank you very much. [cheers and applause] now, to the subject at hand. [cheers and applause] it is my great honor to be with so many brilliant -- and that's what you are, brilliant, courageous, patriotic, and proud americans. [cheers and applause] seeing all of you here today fills me with an extraordinary confidence in america's future, and the great, great future of our country. each of you is taking part in the young, black leadership summit. because you are true leaders on your campuses come in your churches, and in your communities. you are leaders. leaders of the future. you are leaders of the present, also.
remember that. you are leaders of youth. >> harris: the president of the united states, with the 2018 young black leadership summit inside the east room at the white house, asking them "who wants to be president consumer" cheers there. but the cheers first came when he announced that there had been an arrest. an individual taken into custody in the bomb scare series that we have been terrorized with in the united states over the past couple of days. at one point, he said "i am pleased to tell you that a suspect has been arrested and taken into custody. we will prosecute them, him, or her -- whoever it may be -- to the fullest extent of the law." and then he made a plea for togetherness. he said "we must show the world that we are united as american citizens." the president, at the white house, in the east room. the 2018 young black leadership summit. he began with those comments, as he promised that he would, any tweet about 30 minutes ago on
the investigation. this scene is unfolding. look at what is happening on the left side of your screen. that truck that has struggled mightily to keep the tarp on the evidence, that the tow truck is caring on the back, has not arrived at fbi headquarters in miramar, florida. they will commence immediately with forensic investigation. our guests alongside here on out numbered today, steve rogers has pointed out that will begin with taking pictures. they have already been some pictures taken of that suspect's a band that they have taken off the premises of where he lives parlous in south florida. we have seen some of those stickers and things, but it's also the totality of that crime scene. the inside, as well, that they will look at now at fbi headquarters. this is not quantico. what is it in miramar, and what are they capable of? >> there is no doubt in my mind that the fbi headquarters in miramar have the equipment they need in order to collect dna. in order to -- even microscopic
evidence. keep in mind, as they go through that van and they start analyzing fingerprints and other evidence, the question is -- are somebody else's finger prints and they are? this is a white support to take those pictures and secure that crime scene. >> melissa: that's what i was going to ask him is that question number one customer because of the top priority, as you comment? is there somebody else out there? >> exactly right. they're probably going to do a lot more, as was reported earlier by a reporter -- i think was kathryn -- who was this person calling, at what time are they calling? that doesn't mean the person they were calling is involved. but, a lot of these guys -- they start making phone calls to their friend saying "look what i'm going to do, watch tv." because we dealing with somebody very unstable. >> harris: or, in this sense, since he was already on their radar and was driving around something so decorated you could pick it out probably in the dark, he may have been having conversations more about "what are you seeing customer" sometimes we will see that with
criminals, too. "what are you seeing of the outside? how worried should i be customer" dig in, i know you been looking at other aspects of this. >> you have to be careful what you see and read on social medi. the pictures we are seeing in terms of when the tarp off the van, we could all see the conspiracy stickers. information that is covered in the van. but the speed with which they apprehended the suspect is really astonishing. to quote catherine herridge, which she has been saying earlier, the wealth of forensic evidence that they have because of these 12 devices -- some of which were not even sent down to quantico and virginia because they were unstable and detonated before they were sent -- but in terms of, they had already reached out to retailers locating where the pipes had come from. where the explicit powder, the actual manila envelopes, the devices were sent in. all of these individuals. then, the fact that this man had
a lengthy arrest record based on our reporting and other reports out there. not just in recent history, but according to "the new york times," going back to 1991. that's how far back as arrest record goes. >> harris: you know, dagen, as you look at that -- the one that burst, if you will, for the fox affiliate wsb and out of florida is that the 2002 arrest was specific to the topic of what we are looking at now. that's a bomb threat. we know that he is on the radar, but specific to what we are seeing, charges that may be pending against him at this point, there is that history. >> dagen: driving on a vehicle, parked in a shopping center near where he was apprehended four days and days -- it drew attention. >> melissa: that's what boggles my mind. >> dagen: it was so conspicuous p. >> i was pleased to see and hear the president talked about the fact that there was no place in our country for this kind of
thing. that we need to come together as a country, because we have really seen too much of this in the country. you have a prominent leader on the left receiving explosive packages. you have republicans being gunned down at a baseball event in the name of health care. we have had republicans during the kavanaugh hearing having to have protection because of the death threats against them. we cannot live in the country where you are serving in the position of leadership, this is what you are on the receiving end of. that's where the conversation needs to stay as the country from the president to politicians on down. >> antjuan: julie says point, the best of law enforcement. to her point, lisa, perfectly. we all came together. no matter what our political ideology is or palooka party is, americans came together and they got the culprit. >> harris: one thing that the president said, also, in the context of that, was to let the world see.
when this happens, we all know that our heart stopped when they saw people spilling out of time warner in evacuation mode. onto the streets of manhattan, 58th street and columbus circle there. it's jarring. it's jarring. the whole world watches us in this metro recoil and be resilient. then these devices showing up in other parts, all the way the way to the other coast. so it is the world watching. >> in remind me of what ronald reagan once said, that we bounce back because we are americans. >> melissa: can i ask you to look at the screen will quicken you can describe what you're seeing, here? it looks like possibly somebody taking pictures. they are coming out -- we get a closer look to kind of see how they are approaching this vehicle. we had thought they were going to back it into a closed area, so we wouldn't be able to watch it. but can you see any of the things going on over there?
>> they will look at the undercarriage, they will look to make sure as they move that vehicle, they don't touch even the outer parts of that vehicle. there may be finger prints on the doors come on the hoods, on the trunk. they are just being very, very careful. >> melissa: do they already know there are no expose the devices this point? >> they wouldn't have -- i'm sure they had dogs, they had some forensic teams going there to make sure there were no expose the devices. to be when they couldn't even keep the tarp on. i think if they thought there was some device under there, that would be -- >> melissa: can ask another detail that we heard early today? they were talking about the print on the notes that were on the outside of the packages, the blocked printing, saying that within that block printing there are actually numbers that are hidden in there? that specific kind of print? so they could do tracing back to what type of printer and what printer it was? do you know about that? >> i do know that there are certain printing outfits that do have hidden numbers. it is actually used if there is
a product recall. they are like product recall numbers. they were able to capture that, they were probably able to lead back to who printed this paper and what retail outfits do they sell this paper too. that's how efficient their word. >> melissa: interesting. >> harris: as moser pointed out, the at one point were backing this vehicle into that location. they pulled it back out. we can't see as much of that vehicle as we had been able to on the freeway, because the wind isn't helping us out in terms of going back that chart. >> picture a hospital room. clean as a whistle, no dreams. that's where that vehicles going. it's going into a very clean, secure environment where there is going to be no way that any evidence will be contaminated. that's very important. >> dagen: i was going to say, given the condition of this band based on -- when the tarp flew back he you could see what wasn the dashboard. in terms of the time it would
take to process this vehicle. it's going to take quite a bit of time for law enforcement to take care of that. >> harris: steve, if we can -- and of course we will keep this on the screen, because we didn't anticipate we'd see this much of the first work of investigation, here -- you're grateful to see them begin this. i want to concentrate on the human element in all of this, somebody has been driving around in that van. we think that person has been arrested and taken into custody because this was taken off the premises. that's we've been told. what's happening with that suspect? >> criminological psychological profiles. they will be interviewing him, as well as the criminal element investigators. they want to figure out why he was doing that. "why were you writing around the open? did you want to get caught?" was very interesting was the fact that none of these devices exploded. they're going to try and get into his psyche. what was your purpose? what did you actually try to gain from this?
he's going to be interviewed by, obviously, the ground of the skaters. also, very important, those who could look into his psyche. it's very important. >> lisa: how long could that process take? >> it could take many hours. they will try to befriend him. the one thing investigators will do is try to befriend the suspect, get him to talk, get him to talk about his past and a little bit of a history of the environment they live in. et cetera. then they begin to talk. he may be able to turn over a lot of information with regard to who he was in contact with. to lead him to others. it may take a few hours, maybe eight or nine hours. i think it is going to be done pretty quickly. something tells me that this guy knew he was going to get caught and may be at one point wanted to get caught. >> melissa: i thought it was interesting what catherine herridge was saying earlier when she was talking about the algorithms that are used at this point in time. this is really -- it goes back to that whole thing but you don't do anything without people knowing where you are and what
you are doing. sort of organizing where the packages were sent from, based on the stand. how long it took for them to get to each place, and if they were mailed at similar times. kind of spanning out from there, things you bought. you begin with the help of algorithms to triangulate back and forth until you find somebody who could have achieved all of the different markers. >> to your point, don't be surprised if people start coming forward and say "i saw him go into the post office the of the day! i saw him buying this." or "there was something on social media i saw, and a chat room." most of the time you'll see people come forward now and say "i saw something, i should have said something." >> harris: the one at robert de niro's place, the person who was working there, the doorman mailroom crew realized that "wait, didn't i see something a couple of days ago? "and that package had been sitting. >> dagen: one of the first things he would do is running looking for people who had been arrested prior for making bomb
threats. this individual, based on our reporting so far, had been arrested at least at one point for making a terroristic threat based on a bomb. so that -- the speed with which the suspect was identified and taken into custody is kind of astonishing. if if you think back to like the anthrax-lease letters sent back in 2001, it took years. the fbi hounded an innocent man for years and eventually it was in 2008 that the individual who is responsible committed suicide. this is a matter of days that they were able to arrest this individual. >> harris: with the bombs themselves -- and we learned this morning, out of all of them, this was before the 11th and 12th had been looked at as closely as well -- at the crack of dawn, nine of them had been confirmed to be explosive devices. a lot of times, what you will have is a fake device. you talk about them not pulling up, but they were clearly
capable of something because we have learned from catherine herridge's reporting and others that they were unstable and dangerous and needed to be blown up and not transferred right away intact to quantico. you mentioned, steve, what was first. what is next? in all of this? it doesn't -- they are taking their pictures, they are sticking stuff up under the man to take pictures. we don't know how much of this is going to unfold in front of us. it is very valuable to get your perspective on what they are doing. >> the next is going to be, obviously, the interview. if there is anybody else involved, he will lead them to -- >> harris: i mean for this van. >> for the van cuesta marco. they are going to bring it there, remove the tarp, take more pictures inside. as dagan said, was on the dashboard. they will take pictures up and down. >> harris: look at the screen or not. they are moving it. they have moved it away from that opening that they were going to take it in. maybe they're taking it elsewhere, as you say, steve.
>> the photographs are important because they want to make sure that -- especially when they go prosecution -- that they can say or place a particular piece of evidence in that event at that time. then, the collection of evidence from the forensics team is very important. it's all -- it all might be right there, what they need. they may find fragments of different bomb making devices in that van. it looks like they are taking it off, the van. >> harris: look at this. >> they may just push it into the garage. maybe they couldn't get that truck into the garage. maybe that was the problem. we don't know. they had tried initially, steve, your observation -- a very strong, i get it. they may have been a height situation. now they are lifting that van off of that tow truck bed. perhaps, as you say -- >> melissa: you can say
they're at it, there's another image of the side of the van. during the speed of time in the tarp came off, and you could see closely, a lot of the stickers -- this monitored his work, but we can see over here. >> harris: we don't want to miss them rolling the van. >> melissa: you can see was on there. >> my guess is that you're right, that they couldn't fit the van because of the height. >> harris: you never saw it breach the doorway much. >> melissa: there we go. >> harris: wow, look at how much information there is. we did have wsb end, our fox affiliate, following along from the air. we had a different vantage point of images, because -- that is back where the band was originally parked. i remember that pole was in the original pictures. as we look away from that, we have got some interesting points of view from the air. they have a zoom lens up there, all salsa. it's fascinating. if you go background to the left pictures, because we don't want to miss the backing this off of the tow truck bed, to see where they will take it now.
if they are actually going to push it into that garage. we will wait for them to go back to the left pictures. again, that is miramar, florida where they are backing -- they are lifting that van up. this is complicated, too, steve. i don't think you necessarily want to turn the engine on. you don't want to disturb any of the evidence. >> no, you don't. exactly. the important element here row is the preservation of evidence. they want to make sure that nothing on the van -- especially out of services -- they want to make sure it's protected. there being very careful, and my guess is they'll push them into the garage and close the garage door. the preservation of evidence is key. not only to prosecution, but it's key to further the investigation if they have to. it may lead them to some other suspects, if there are some. >> melissa: is it odd for him to be so overt with these stickers on the truck, or is this something you have seen before? where the van, rather. >> during my law enforcement career, these people aren't
stable. they are really unstable. believe me. in this case, it may lead to something. some part of the investigation, maybe not. what's important is that the preservation of all of it. he may have written on some of those stickers that are in the window. that may be very important. >> dagen: this man was so conspicuous -- >> melissa: i wanted to tell you what you're seeing on the side of the screen, they are. they're going over to the auto zone we go. this is where the suspect was arrested earlier. it was in plantation, florida. i guess we are looking through the window inside of the store. you can see there some fbi officials inside, doing work. wearing their jackets. but this is where they actually found the suspect, and where they found this van. go ahead. >> dagen: i was just going to say, this van was so conspicuous and, quite frankly, stood out so prominently. people in florida, around the suspect, cesar sayoc, lived in
aventura. that southeast of the plantation where he was arrested. in past days and weeks, people had taken photos of the it is n and reposting it on social media earlier saying that the van was so absurd. that's how conspicuous he was. >> see something, say something. dagen, that's great. that's the point that law enforcement brings people. your gut feeling says that there something wrong. people felt there was something wrong. they took pictures, they posted it, and look what we have. >> harris: we look at the different parts of this, community working together, law enforcement working together. i go back to what lisa was just asking. you are driving around in something that is a billboard. was the goal really to get
caught? we don't know. you mentioned the criminal psychological investigators who will be interviewing him for hours. that will be a very intriguing scoop of information, because you couldn't even drive around at night much with something this -- >> melissa: i don't know how you can see out! >> he could have been driving around sing "hey guys, here i am. this is me." this is the type of people we are dealing with. very conspicuous. the fact of the matter is, it all becomes part of evidence. >> dagen: can i say, we don't know who that man is registered to. do we? we are making the assumption -- >> harris: i said it was taken from the premises of the home where he lives. we are told that it's the van the suspect owns. we haven't had a chance to do the dmv or something. only his name in the last hour or so. clearly, there's a lot of information on the outside of that van. when it was parked, if you go back to that picture where it has the pole in it, earlier on and people were snapping and putting it all over twitter from their tv sets you could see even
more information. there probably is a way to find it through the dmv, i would imagine, at this point. but it is the human intelligence that has made such a huge impact, as we can see that autozone in plantation, florida. >> that goes back to what we call -- the investigators are built into their infestations. a lot of footwork, a lot of human intelligence come as you say. a lot of interviews. you can have a lot of video footage, you can have a lot of forensic evidence, but there is nothing like a human being saying "you know what? that person was in the store. yes, they bought this. they bought that. they drove here in that van. i saw them." >> melissa: one more question before run of time -- you have a van that looks like that -- let's say it is his -- how do you start an interview? has that changed the way you approach someone? if that's what they are driving around in while they are, in theory, trying to get away with this crime? >> "we have you, we have your
van, we have everything in the band is now becoming part of evidence. while i? tell the truth." they figure -- you come forward and that's we put it. >> obviously, we live in a 24-hour news cycle paid how much information will the public find out, do you think i'm in the next 24 hours or so? >> you will find information that will not compromise this investigation because it's ongoing. we don't know if there's anyone else involved. regardless, excellent police work. >> dagen: we have a very lengthy arrest record, going back to at least 1991 for a variety of different crimes in south florida. there is also a report that there was a bankruptcy filing about six years ago. the filing says that this individual lived with his mother. people who had seen this van around aventura, florida -- when the doors of the van would be open, the presumption was that the individual was living in the van. at least part of the time. >> there is a phrase we use in
law enforcement that we don't know what we don't know. that's why you have to go after, to find out what you need to know. >> dagen: and to build a case. >> lisa: what do they need to know right now? >> they need to know right now, immediately -- they have him and enough evidence -- was there anyone else involved? did anyone else have information? who are you talking to on the telephone during the period of time this was going on? that is absolute important. it may lead to police to either more suspects or to a dead end, and he would be the only person involved in this. >> melissa: i would be surprised if he learned there were other people who tipped off the police. you talk about looking at what numbers were going out and coming in and out of his phone. we don't know at this point that there weren't other people calling in and saying "hey, the van, the person -- i know this guy." >> you are right. we will get limited information from law enforcement because right now it's an ongoing investigation. the thing they do not want to do is compromise the investigation at this point.
but he knew -- he was in the bathroom and he was able to get out of the building, again, because these exit doors were working well. i can't tell you how thankful i am just to do that one task homeland security told us to do. >> because in the past you couldn't push through the exit doors? >> they weren't easily opened. they had safeties on them so they couldn't open either way. but now he was able to get out. i mean, he could be alive because of this. >> where were you when you found out this had occurred? >> i was heading up to the service. i'm there every -- i was there last night for service. i go up there around 10:00 and -- in the morning and one of the vice presidents that i work with on facilities now that i stepped down, he called. he worked for city emergency management. and he said he just got word there's an active shooter at
tree of life. go up there and see if this is true. i tried to get up. i only live a block away from the synagogue. i tried to get up shady avenue and was -- police cars everywhere. guns drawn, rifles, i was -- surreal. >> we first thought it was a training, a drill, whenever it came over the police scanner. we thought -- we couldn't even believe it. have you heard about any victims inside, their positions? if you knew of them? >> no. i'm sure -- i know everyone there. i know everybody in the building. i know that this -- i almost don't want to know but i have to know the tragedy that occurred inside. >> what have you been talking with -- with the other people that are past presidents or, you know, in a position of power within the jewish community here in squirrel hill? what has everyone been saying to you? >> well, i mean, all we had up until now, we had a -- i tried to call the -- i couldn't reach,
but the other past presidents, i spoke to the current president. but we're all either not in the area or we were en route and we just couldn't get in there. i mean, i was talking -- like i said, i was walking up shady and all of a sudden the shouts from the police officers, just "get out of here." you knew it was not a drill. >> have you had issues in the past with people coming in, people that were suspicious in anyway or did anything that caused you to be concerned? >> no, we've never had any threats. i will tell you -- i've always had a very watchful eye because of what's going on in the current climate, you know, you see these bombs being mailed across the country. and our security was really just that nobody's ever tried, you know, it was just the fact that nobody ever tried to do anything. because, you know, like most religious institutions, we have an open door. >> i asked the ceo of the jewish federation i'll ask you. can you describe for people that
are watching that aren't from pittsburgh that tonight know squirrel hill what this means that they would be targeted in this manner? >> just means that moving forward, this is a real occurrence and that we need to learn from this. you want to be proactive and do things -- in light of this happening, it will be needed for security i'm sure. because this is reality. >> you're glad, if you hadn't done that one thing, which many would think is a simple security measure, who knows how many people used those exit doors to get out. >> right. it was something that i was listening to the walk-through, i was listening to the homeland security experts. a lot of this comes down to ability to afford security. but to free up a door many times
is free. just use it. and it doesn't cost anything. and we did it. and a guy that we love in the c cong congragation, you know, augie could be alive because of it. >> and he was not in the basement. are there ways to get out of the basement? >> there are, yes. yes, their are. new life congregation, their sanctuary is in the lower floor, they know the route to get out. >> what's next for you? >> next for me is going to be more training, saying this -- it's not that when i would get up as president in front of leadership saying this could happen, now it's like this did happen. we have to put forth efforts to secure our building and the other leaderships across squirrel hill and across the country are going to have to do the same. >> thank you for taking the time to talk to us. thank you. all right. we're going to send it back. >> this is cnn breaking news.
>> hello, again, everyone. thank you for being with us. this breaking news we're going to begin with, a gunman opens fire in a synagogue in pittsburgh. officials report 12 casualties and at least four dead. cnn's nick valencia is tracking the story for us. what are you learning? >> so disturbing. how many times have we reported on similar situations, a mass shooting in an american city, this time in pittsburgh, in the squirrel hill neighborhood, a high concentration of jewish community there in that neighborhood. here's what we know. according to the website for tree of life synagogue, their saturday service, their shabbat service which is the busiest day for any synagogue, started at 9:45 a.m. the fir reports we got here at cnn, reports of an active shooter, came in just after 10:20 this morning. here's what we know at this time. according to our correspondent shimon prokupecz, at least 12
people were shot. what we can confirm is least four people died. at least three police officers injured in gunfire. the extent of their injuries has not been made clear. the shooter we can report is in custody, and according to kdka, that alleged gunman has been described as a white male, a bearded heavy set white male. he is in custody and is currently, at last report, being transported to a hospital with unspecified injuries. this is still a live scene. you're looking at images there on your screen. if it's still an active, chaotic scene there in the squirrel hill neighborhood of pittsburgh. we can only assume that police are continuing to sweep the area for other potential threats, perhaps even devices in that general vicinity. the president has tweeted about the incident. the vice president and the
governor of pennsylvania, we understand, is en route. we just heard from the past president of the tree of life synagogue saying there are three competing services happening on saturday around 9:45 and upwards -- or nearly 100 people could have been in the building at the time of the shooting. again, this is all still a very fluid situation here. a very chaotic scene. another scary day here in america, fredricka. >> all right, thank you so much. we'll check back with you. let's talk more about all this. i want to bring in retired fbi supervisory special agent. former u.s. art marshal, art rodd rodderic. and former secret service a gent and department of homeland security official charles marino. glad all you could be with me. we just heard, you know, information coming from our sources. 12 shot. 4 confirmed dead.
among the injured are three police officers. and so, james, does this tell you that there was an exchange perhaps of gunfire between this gunman who authorities say is now in custody and these at least three officers injured? >> absolutely. we have somebody who has committed murder, attempted murder and assaulted police officers and responding law enforcement. people have been texting and saying, you know, who has purview here. would fbi have oversight for something like this. as we were watching the feed there, i can tell you, i saw robert jones who's the fbi special agent in charge of the pittsburgh division on scene. he's the former assistant director of the branch at headquarters. the fbi will assist in this case until there's a determination which we're probably moving that direction that this could possibly be a hate crime. these are murders. obviously these are state charges.
the police, it's their scene right now. the fbi will offer whatever type of response capabilities, investigative capabilities, for processing any type of evidence going forward. they're going to be working a collaborative effort right now until we determine what type of charges are going to be leveled against this gunman. >> you have multiple things going on. you have the investigation of the who, the what happened, the eagainst of events and of course anything that may have preceded what took place today. all at the same time. but what we heard from the former president of the tree of life synagogue who says just in recent years did they take action to have more exits, at the same time open doors, it's a place of worship. they want to welcome everyone to come in. only on special, you know, high religious holidays would they have security at the door. so today may have been a very porous day where everyone is
welcome. how will investigators approach that, knowing there's so many ways of entry and exit? >> many religions have open door policies which means they welcome people to worship, particularly during the saturday morning service. i think local law enforcement and various communities around the country work with the fbi and work together to try to ascertain specific threats against specific synagogues. as i mentioned earlier, the percentage of anti-semitic attacks have gone up significantly. in 2017, we had 12 anti-semitic attacks in the state of new york alone. every synagogue has a security team regularly assessing what that threat environment looks like. interacting with local law enforcement in their community to ascertain what the threat level looks like who, i would imagine, james, are in touch with the fbi to track hate crime threat reporting.
>> and evy, you know, while we heard from the former president who said, you know -- or evy, whether, while we heard from the former president earlier who said he worked with homeland security on advice on how to protect this place of worship, yet at the same time, you know, honor the open door policy allowing people in. how will investigators go about trying to see whether there's any correlation between what happened today and the shooter's acts today, whether there were any threats ahead of what happened today. if there's any history with the suspected gunman or gunmen, plural? >> they're going to look at that, but i think the most important thing to really look at here is that sometimes you don't need a threat. sometimes there is no warning. he had actually worked with security. i think that's important.
so reaching out to local authorities. saying hey, you know what, we're calling from a church or synagogue or school, wherever you are, and asking them, inviting them over, will you come over and speak to us about this and will you speak to our staff about this. this way, everybody is trained. something as simple as making sure your emergency doors work can save lives. it's not just one door. know where multiple doors are. walk those doors. teaching them what's cover, what's concealment. that way, when you're an environment and something does happen, you can respond. you don't have the time to stop and think what do i do. because those seconds count. those seconds matter. it's super important for these communities. invite them, create relationships with them. also, they can train them what to look for. anything odd or any suspicious behavior or anything that might
seem, you know, concerning. when you create this relationship, everybody can work collaboratively together. because i think what we've been doing historically is putting the onus on law enforcement. law enforcement can solve this problem. law enforcement can figure this out. and we can't do that because law enforcement is most situations a reactive part of this. the problem happens, they try to get there as quickly as possible. we need to shift as we're seeing more mass shootings historically happen, we need to shift that perspective and say what can we do collectively to be proactive and try to mitigate or prevent them. >> and, art, while police say this is an active shooter scene, even though they have one suspected gunman in custody, what's the level of questioning, what kind of access what kind of information potentially can they get out of this suspect before they leave the scene, before they say all clear? >> yes, they're in the phase now of making sure that the scene is
safe so there's a couple different things going on. not only are they clearing the facility, the synagogue, but also the parking lot surrounding it, and any neighboring houses to make sure everybody's accounted for and this individual was acting alone. they're also questioning him, as jim mentioned earlier, you know, we've been talking about this public safety issue. as we did with the mail bomber. but, you know, they want to make sure this individual acted alone. that there was no other people helping him out. and that, you know, the area is safe. and one other comment on the top of the hour, evy was talking about the same thing, about the security surveys. both with my time with the department of security and the department of justice as a u.s. marshal, we did these security surveys all the time for places of worship. and that is key. because these surveys will talk about issues of exit doors, surveillance cameras, actual
security at these facilities. it's incumbent upon these places of worship and schools to reach out to local law enforcement or to federal law enforcement when you get the surveys done. >> charles, what about resources? this happens when already the country, law enforcement, so many divisions, on heightened alert as a result of the 13, you know, pipe bombs that have been mailed across the country to a variety of people including, you know, former presidents. so now you've got according to james' information a little bit earlier, you've got new york authorities who have now descended on protecting a number of synagogues throughout the city as a result of this shooting taking place in pittsburgh. talk to me about how resources are being fanned out, how multitasking, you know, is the real challenge today. >> good morning. thank you for the question and, you know, my thoughts and prayers go out to everybody affected by this event. and thanks to law enforcement for doing an excellent job.
resores certainly are an important issue for local law enforcement. i think in the mail bombing case, you saw a perfect example of a prioritization where they needed to find this individual. you saw the joint terrorism task force with all of its resources. the investigation goes upon which is requiring resources. those resources will be brought to bear to see this through to a final resolution. in this case here, evy brought up a good point about coordination with local authorities. local authorities are very well trained regarding what types of resources to respond with dependent on the situation. here, it cannot be stated enough that the training and preparation and early engagement by many jewish organizations with the department of homeland security, many, many years ago, being aware of this very real threat that they face at their
synagogues and other places of worship, were prepared with how to survive this type of event. at the end of this, it's going to be very interesting to find out how many lives were saved because of their preparation and practice for this type of event. but law enforcement is certainly there with the numbers that are necessary to stop the threat. >> josh campbell, cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi supervisory special agent, has also joined the table here. you know, josh this is an immediate priority, simultaneous to the immediate priority of all these packages that have been mailed out which investigators continue to look at, as they have a suspect. we just heard from the fbi director wray who said yesterday don't be surprised if there might be other packages out there. so how simultaneously are these investigators happening separately? at the same time, perhaps there may even be, you know, a
crossing of resources. >> the fbi has 56 field offices around the country. some 400 satellite offices. they're called residential agencies. these are the offices and communities around the country with the agents who work with state officials. they're used to working in their do main. what would happen here is authorities in pittsburgh in the field office will be working with their counterparts locally. that information is shared to larger networks around basically it's been set up where if you have information, you can blast that out to partners. you want to know if they know anything that might be helpful to you. that's all going on right now. lastly, there are so many resources that are available to law enforcement. it's what they call mutual aid. if something happened in one location, officers can ask for assistance. i'm not so much concerned with the lack of resources. one thing that's interesting is if you're back at fbi headquarters right now and the
department of justice, this is the central nervous system. you are monitoring both of these threats. as we speak right now, i have no doubt that cnn is in the strategic operations center and they're seeing what's happening on the ground, they're communicating with officers. trying to get that picture. very much an all hands on deck approach to be able to cover two high-profile incidents at the same time. >> sam, take us to the scene of what's taking place. while authorities say they have one person in custody, we don't know if that person is cooperating, providing any more information about digital footprint, about whether that person was working in concert with anybody else. at the same time, there's the immediacy of attending to the injured. we know there are 12 people shot. 4 dead. those are the latest numbers. authorities of course don't want those numbers of fatalities to rise. >> anybody that's injured is stabilized. they're going to take care of that first. james, you mentioned this earlier, they're also going to
make sure whomever is coming out of this building is not implicated in the crime. those things can happen at the same time. while simultaneously trying to make sure this wasn't an isolated incident. we don't know this individual was in touch with anybody else or whether he inspired any other attacks around the country. we talked about that with respect to the bombing suspect and whether he inspired copycat attacks. this is a massive media event. i would imagine the fbi in coordination with local law enforcement around the country is advising folks on the ground to make sure no threats come up over the next hours as members of the jewish community participate in afternoon services on shabbat and other members of religious communities are also worshipping. if this is defined as a hate crime, also implicates other places of worship as well, i would imagine authorityings are coordinating again about any threats that come up. >> the digital footprint, you brought that up earlier, so
important in investigating today. not just trying to understand the history. but sometimes it also raises a flag of what might be planned next. so -- >> within mere moments yesterday of mr. sayic's name being released to the public, we already had through alexis and nexus checks his bankruptcy filing. we had pictures of him, his social media platform. cnn was able to pull him out of a crowd in a rally and isolate that image. the digital footprint here is critical. goes back to motivation. we look at this. the pieces seem to fall into place. who were the victims. who were the people that were targeted. but people expressing the past week during this bombing square, law enforcement got to keep an open mind on this. law enforcement got to make sure they don't get so hyper focussed in one direction they close their bandwidth down and don't take everything into account. that's why profiling has become
that for law enforcement. we want to make sure, look, active shooters, 4% of them are women, but immediately you're not going to rule that out and say this couldn't be. you've got to make sure you keep everything in play and follow the evidence wherever it takes you. >> so evy while this was an active shooter scene right now, one person, according to authorities, is still -- or is in custody. can you explain for us what are law enforcement looking for? before they feel certain that they can give it an all clear? because the threat, the immediate threat, is over in that neighborhood. >> they're going to want to try to speak to him. hopefully he's willing to talk. that's the most important thing, asking him those questions right off the bat, who's working with you. are there any bombs. are there any other guns? just those immediate things. if he's speaking, that will be helpful to law enforcement. at the same type, you have to cooperate what he's saying, because obviously this is an individual who just opened fire. you can't take what they say
also as the truth. getting that information verbally from him, trying to asset if there are other people involved, going around the areas, securing the area, finding out where he lives, his residency. they immediately want to go there, assess the environment, looking at the dimg tall footprints, looking at who he's talking to, contacting family and friends, doing all these things. you don't want to leave the scene until you really know what's going on and you feel comfortable leaving the scene. so them staying there and taking their time is a wise thing because they're trying to make sure they check all those boxes, not make it -- you can't make any assumptions, right? you can't assume, okay, we've got him, good. also, how many weapons did he have? did he have any explosive devices? if you're looking at a large amount, there might be a question, well, did he get resources? did someone else help him? any other individuals involved? once you can say with some level of certainty, okay, we can
remove, it's also rendering the area safe. this is a residential area. people live there. before law enforcement takings that huge printout, there's all these personnel. they want to make sure everybody else there is also safe. so it's not just securing him but securing the area and the people that live there. >> right. multiple teams had fanned out. josh. >> we can't underscore the potential value here, having a subject that's been taken alive. sometimes in there's an exchange of gunfire, a shooter will be neutralized. if they're able to take him into custody, now they can interview him. a dead body doesn't speak. >> it's almost a priority to see if you can extrapolate more information? >> the focus of law enforcement officers will be to neutralize the threat. they're not going to go into the scene thinking let's try to take this person alive. their main focus is does this
person pose a threat. i'm saying this is a benefit of having someone you can then interview. you can ask, why were you doing what you were doing? some people are proud of what they've done and they want to tell you about it. other people may clam up. other people may regret the decisions they've made. some people might lawyer up. it's a potential value to be able to ask questions. >> might it also be on display this is a particularly combative individual if we're talking about three police officers that were shot. >> the problem with these active shooter situations, the person committing them is some type of zealot or crazy person, going in there with the notion they're going to take their own life. that makes it very difficult. look where we are, just over a year from the law enforcement
shooter. we still don't have answers there. why? he killed himself. had no digital footprint. and we're still struggling to piece it together. people argue and say why are you so focused on the motivation? well, it's causality. it helps us get in front of hopefully preventing the next one. a year ago, the attack in lower manhattan a few blocks from here. new york city decided to put up concrete blocks around the bike path. it's awful to say this in a free and open society where we cherish our civil liberties. but these are soft targets. and people are looking at them as such and going, maybe i can't get away with this at the airport. i can't take out my vengeance at the fed or museum where there's security but maybe i can walk into a house of worship or school or some place that doesn't have adequate security. >> this is terrorism in so many different ways. all right, moments ago, the
former rabbi of tree of life synagogue, chuck diamond, spoke to reporters and he had this to say. >> 9:45. so jews come late to services so for a lot of people that's probably a good thing today. at the time, there's three services in the building. there's maybe 10 to 15 i would say for each service possibly at that time. people would be in the outer area. maybe just coming in. there are a few staff people who might be greeting people. >> is one entrance on -- >> on shabbat, there's no security. i have to tell you, i always in the back of my mind had something like this might happen, you know, because of the way of the world today. >> one of the past presidents, michael eisenberg, told us he did conduct training. >> yes. >> including homeland security.
>> yes, people came in, sponsored by the jewish community -- the federation of pittsburgh. has a very active program. >> what kind of training did they go into in. >> well, i tell you, i wasn't there for that particular training. but it's something, again, as a jewish professional, what's going on in the world, even though we've been fairly safe here in pittsburgh. it's just something in the back of your mind to see somebody -- i once had during the rmgs school time, religious school time, somebody pulled up in a long trench coat and went to go to the trunk of his car. i knew him, but i went out to check it out just to make sure. you just always have to be careful. i got a call from an old congregant who said what they heard -- i'm concerned -- i'm concerned about the people who were the early -- the people who came on type. most of them were older.
and i just talked to one of their sons who doesn't know where his mother is. it's a concern. >> so many people showing up, not knowing if their loved one is all right. >> right. >> what is your words for them? >> just have some faith and hang in there and try to be of comfort for them. it's a very difficult time for all of us. for everybody. but for those who knew people who were there. i called people i knew trying to see if they're okay, you know, and one is a doctor and he said he saw somebody's name on the list who was taken to the emergency room who, again, was one of those people who was always there on time. >> have you talked to the con a congregation about what if this happens? >> no. i had in my mind what i would do in helping people. it's kind of frustrating, you know, in some ways wish you were there to help people. you always think, like, you can be of help to some degree.
i worked in a synagogue in detroit, michigan -- i wasn't there in 1962, but a rabbi was killed by somebody who came in and -- >> we're hearing unconfirmed reports this was fuelled by hate. >> that's what it sounds like. there's a lot of anti-semitism out there and a lot of hate out there. just look in the news everyday. it's sobering that it's touched our community. i've gotten text from people from india, from canada. wanting to know if everybody is okay. >> the man who is the past president says now instead of saying what if it happens, it did happen and hopefully get more done. >> during the week, the doors are locked. on shabbat, it's a little bit more of a chore because you don't necessarily have anybody in the office.
to let people in. we can't let that happen. we have to take all precautions at all times unfortunately. >> have you been able to reach anybody you know who may have been in there? >> one person who was always on time with his son coming in from sewikly said he got caught up in traffic. he said, i'm going to services. the police said no, you're not. and he went home. >> describe the jewish community in squirrel hill. >> it's a really nice -- i grew up here. i live right there, around the block. the house that i grew up in. and it's a wonderful jewish community. there's -- i think we all get together across the board whether it's orthodox or hasidic or conservative or reform. and we have wonderful jewish community centers. it's very vibrant, very active. >> do you know if any
children -- >> all right, we're listening to the former rabbi saying it's a very sobering day. a lot now has to be reconsidered. he too recalls it being an open door policy at that church and says security was not something that would generally happen. high level security on shabbat. all of that now he says has to be reconsidered. so, again, active shooter scene there in pittsburgh, in this community, even though one person is in custody. meantime, we just got in this tweet from the president. this, now, perhaps his third tweet of the morning in respect to what's happening in pittsburgh. saying this now, events in pittsburgh are far more %-p. spoke with mayor and governor to inform them that the federal government has been and will be with them all the way. you're looking at a very rainy situation there at andrews.
where the president's motorcade on the way before the president boards air force one. perhaps he'll have more comments. it's always an opportunity that reporters try to take. but given very rainy, nasty situation, who knows how difficult that will be. but of course we're on it. meantime, we're going to continue to talk here with my panel. shimon prokupecz, cnn crime and justice reporter. it was through your sources we learned 12 people were shot, a confirmation of 4 people dead. what are your sources telling you now? >> i think we need to be clear to viewers, there are no other shooters at this point, they believe they have the one person responsible for this in custody. law enforcement there is going through the building. there are several floors in the building. they're going through. there was some suspicious packages. we'll probably get an all clear
here pretty soon. they've gone through the building. we do expect the scene to open up for investigators to come in and start processing the crime scene. the other things we learned is that the shooter here, during th uttered anti-jewish phrases. certainly why police were taken him into custody. clearly this is now developing into obviously some kind of hate crime. so we'd likely see the fbi come in and take over the investigation. >> let's listen in right now. >> be speaking, making a statement at the farmers of america. future farmers that have the big conference. we'll be making a major statement. it's a terrible, terrible thing
what's going on with hate in our country frankly and all over the world. and something has to be done. something has to be done. it looks like results are coming in, they're more devastating than anybody thought in the morning. in the morning they thought it was the shooter but they had the shooter, they soon would, but the results are very devastating. you're seeing the numbers come in. so we'll be speaking to you at the conference, the future farmers of america, conference, and it's just a shame to watch this, to see this. for so many years, so much of it, absolutely a shame. have any questions? >> mr. president do you think you need to revisit gun laws? >> please? >> gun laws, mr. president. gun laws. >> well, again, this has little to do with it if you take a look. if they had protection inside
the results would have been far better. this is a dispute that will always exist i suspect. if they had some kind of protection inside the temple, maybe it could have been a very much different situation. they didn't. and he was able to do things that unfortunately he shouldn't have been able to do. i hear the police were outstanding. i hear the police did an incredible job. as you know, numerous police were badly injured. but, again, law enforcement did a fantastic job. we're going to have a very complete statement for you. results are coming in of what took place, how it took place. again, law enforcement was outstanding. as always. i mean, as usual, and as always, law enforcement was really outstanding. they stepped up to the place. but pittsburgh, great community, incredible people. i spoke to the governor. i spoke to the mayor.
to see this happening again and again and again is just a shame. >> mr. president -- >> -- instead of seeing it happen again and again, end this kind of violence? >> well, it's a violence -- you look at the violence all over the world. i mean, the world has violence. the world is a violent world. and you think when you're over it, it just sort of goes away, but then it comes back in the form of a mad man, a whacko. i think one thing we should do is stiffen up laws in terms of the death penalty. when people do this, they should get the death penalty and shouldn't have to wait years and years. now the laws lawyers will get involved and everybody's going to get involved and we'll be ten years down the line. i think they should stiffen up laws and i think they should very much bring the death penalty into vogue. anybody who does a thing like this to innocent people in
temple, in church. we had so many incidents with churches. they should be -- they should really suffer the ultimate price. they should pay the ultimate price. i felt that way for a long time. some people disagree with me. i can't imagine why. this has to stop. we're going to have a statement at our stop with the young farmers. >> towards the beginning of your presidency, you met with the nra. you said maybe you were the president who can help solve this. do you see that now as a possibility? >> it's a case where -- again, nobody knows exactly what took place yet. it's too soon. this is a case where they had an armed guard inside, they might have been able to stop him immediately. this had been a case where if there were an armed guard inside the temple, they would have been able to stop them. maybe there would have been nobody killed except for him frankly. so it's a very, very -- very difficult situation. when you look at it, we can look
at it two ways. again, if he had somebody to protect people. now, isn't it a shame you even have to speak that way? that we even have to think of that inside a temple or inside of a church? but certainly the results might have been far better. >> do you think al churches and synagogues should have armed guards? >> i hate to think of it that way. i will say that. so we'll see you with the future farmers. >> is that what you're suggesting? >> i mean, in this world, this is a world with a lot of problems. and it has been a world with a lot of problems for many years. many, many years. you could say, frankly, for many centuries. you're looking at what goes on, but certainly you want protection. they didn't have any protection. they had a maniac walk in. they didn't have any protection. that is just so sad to see.
so sad to see. results could have been much better. it is a very, very difficult thing. for me, as president, to watch any of this go, you know, before i ran for office, i'd watch incidents like this with churches and other things and think, what a shame, what a shame. but it's even tougher when you're the president of the united states and you have to watch this kind of a thing happen. it is so sad to see. so we'll see you at the -- with the young fampl rmers. >> do you think there's anything you can do with the nra? >> we're always talking. we're always talking to the -- >> all right, the president on his way to air force one there, on his way to the future farmers of america. before that, taking a moment there to answer questions from reports there with a variety of thoughts on the shooting that has taken place in pittsburgh. everything from the world is a
violent world, saying perhaps what needs to be intentertained stiffer laws on the death penalty. bring the death penalty into vogue he says. he also says, you know, it's a case where no one knows. however, he also said if perhaps there was an armed guard inside the synagogue, they would have been able to stop him. meaning the one gunman that we understand at least is in custody right now. all right, back with me now. with my panel here. josh, sam. and shimon. sam, your first reaction there right? the president focusing not just on the consequences and not necessarily drilling down on the causation. you know, he did start out talking about, you know, this being a display of hate. but then went to stiffer laws. your thoughts? >> i think it's irresponsible. this is a live investigation.
he made statements at the beginning this was far more devastating than he previously thought. we don't know exactly what he was briefed on. there is still people that have not been able to get in touch with their family members. there's still people waiting to hear if their relatives, if their children, if their parents may have been involved in this incident. saying it's more devastating than originally thought, i can't imagine how that must feel. this was his greatest hits. he went to everything he typically does in this situation. the death penalty. arming more people to prevent gun violence. going back to this notion this isn't the result of a narrative under way in america. this isn't the result of a hateful rhetoric increasing in this juncture. he's looking to point fingers. again, while this is an ongoing investigation and we don't have a whole lot of information yet. >> people are looking to the president to then address a causation of hate. this is a place of worship.
and someone has gone into i place of worship, disrupted peace, killed, injured. people are looking for the president to talk about, you know, how do we get to unifying some kind of, you know, bringing people together message, josh? >> that's right. what we saw there makes it harder for law enforcement. when there's a major incident, the law enforcement community will reluctantly share information. they'll only share so much -- as much as they need to to inform the public about a threat. to let them know, okay, they're on the case. the reason why it gets frustrated now, to get information, is because they really hold that close to the vest because they don't want to speculate. they want to get the facts straight. i remember a number of these incidents where we're thinking, okay, we're pretty sure if this is the case. until we know what the truth is, law enforcement isn't going to go out there and speculate. we saw the opposite just now. and that's what's unfortunate here. i know working with teams under
president george w. bush, under president obama, the white house teams, any time the president would step to the mic, they would have a reason, a message. determine what do they need to tell the american people because their words matter. i don't know if there was a strategy behind that but there was speculation. he's the commander in chief. he can say whatever he wants. law enforcement isn't going to overrule him. it's just fascinating to see that speculation about what's happened here. >> however, though, he has been breech briefed. >> he said we're learning more -- >> i think he's learned more -- >> loosely he says that. >> it is challenging because he -- instead of uniting folks and saying, you know, we'll get through this rt, we're coming oa pretty scary week in this country -- >> and still in the midst of. >> for law enforcement this is a
very perilous time. when you talk to senior law enforcement officials, they will tell you what we're facing and what we're seeing on the threat stream, it's really scary what's going on. >> why you are making that point, year beiwe're looking at images. this is a large sin goynagogue e squirrel hill neighborhood. this is where a shooting took place earlier today. not long after services were to get under way. we understand they were going to be -- they were probably simultaneous at least three services taking place in this very sizable synagogue. police have said sources that shimon has spoke within confirming 12 people shot. three officers shot and four people had been killed. so continue with your thoughts. >> just to get back to that scene. to get back to what's going on. police have spent sort of the last several hours, couple of hours, going through, floor by floor, of this synagogue.
they came across some suspicious packages. some stuff belonging to him. medical bags as well. obviously they were treating the injured. they don't believe there are any bombs or explosives inside the building. we should be seeing them exit the building where investigators are processing the crime scene. >> that makes it difficult, too. a shooting takes place. people drop what they have. their purses, they drop, they run, et cetera. they might be looking for a bag or anything in association with a suspect, they also have to treat everything, right, everything as potentially suspect. so it takes time. that's why now a couple hours after the fact it is still considered an active scene. >> especially we're hearing reports there may have been a jewish ceremony for newborn boys happening. there may be additional packagings that people brought into that building which would further complicate things. >> if you think about what happened just last week, right
where we're seated, we talked a lot about what security officials here are wondering why do you evacuate a building if there's a device somewhere. they have to methodically work through and tick through every squash inch of a facility. a massive compound. they're going to have to go through all that. to your great point, they don't know what's suspicious and what's not. they treat everything suspicious unless they have that comfort level, okay, now we can move on. it shows the taskings, to show up to a situation where you don't know what you're dealing with. >> evy, so as it relates to the president's comments, he was there on the tarmac before getting on to air force one, with a scattering, you know, of thoughts about this investigation. it being, you know, worse than he initially thought. also, you know, going to thoughts of that's why you have to have stiffer laws, death penalty. had there been an armed guard in his view at the synagogue, perhaps this wouldn't be so bad. what's your experience in terms of a president's message, how it
can either help or complicate matters? >> i think when he received his briefing and making sure what he does or doesn't address. there's a couple of things. one of the things that concerned me sometimes when i see -- when we go on air, we discuss these things, is when people address these shooters as crazies. and when we take -- >> and the president used that word, you know, a world of -- this is a world that is a violent world. and you have whackos. >> right. so the concern with that is when we put people in these boxes, we're not solving the problem. the capital punishment, that's after the fact. when people commit these egregious crimes, the more severe punishment will not help. but identifying individuals and labbi inlabeling them as such it going to be able to help us. but being able to understand why individuals do this, understanding who he is, is
there a mystery of mental health? is there hate? what has happened in that person's life? if we can gather knowledge and identify the people who do this, understand the profiles. are there profiles? are there patterns? and then create a society where we can prevent this type of stuff. so calling people names or calling people crazy or whacko, that doesn't help. you're just putting somebody in that random category. as far as having somebody at the front door, security, you can have that. what i've learned -- i do a lot of schools and religious places reach out to me and they will ask me, they'll tell me, what do we do? one of the biggest problems they have is money. they cannot afford to pay somebody to stand by that door all the time. resources is a big problem. we also see in this incident there was, what, three officers so far from what we understand were injured.
they had a problem probably with this individual and were injured during a gunfight. having that security personnel, church, synagogue, school, any other soft target, that's a big undertaking. >> yes, it is. well, you know, on the issue of security, we've heard a few different things. even a member of that synagogue. all saying there have been in the past some threats, anti-semitic behavior. we also heard the thought that police presence only takes place on high religious holidays. on a day like this, a regular saturday services, they don't have the same kind of intensified police security. but we do know, you know, across country at some synagogues we're learning right now as a result of what's taking place, they are heightening security.
is there a regular practice perhaps at many synagogues across the country, given there has been a history of anti-semitic behavior, you know, from coast to coast? and we heard from the former president of this synagogue who said he consulted with homeland security about the best measures to put in place. >> the president was right about one thing. that is anti-semitism and hate crimes are not new. i think he'd be hard pressed to find a jew or another member of a religious group that hasn't been some kind of hate crime. most synagogues around the country are aware of the toxic environment against the jewish community. very regularly share information with local law enforcement. certain synagogues have law enforcement, direct law enforcement relationships and even have security guards at the door. i belong to a synagogue. it has security personnel on the high holy days. we don't know exactly what happened at this synagogue. true security guards with pistols even at the door of a synagogue are going to have a
hard time working against a man with an ar-15 or assault rifle. i don't know it is on the synagogue to really work better with local law enforcement. >> security doesn't always mean what you see either. >> correct. josh can speak to that i'm sure. the direct relationship between local law enforcement is even more important today. >> yes, it is a reality in the united states. this is very unfortunate. as somebody who worked with different community groups. the religious community is different when it comes to how they look at security. it shows you when an incident like this happens in one location, it still terrorizes people. i look at this, it's hard to disassociate yourself. i go to protestant church. there's not an armed security guard. they're not constantly getting
threats. there are security that rove around obviously, you know, we're in a heightened state -- >> there's a presumption of safety. >> correct. you're exactly right. unfortunately for the jewish community in the united states, security is a main stay. it is part of going to synagogue. i can tell you walking around los angeles, you see synagogues, you see a large security presence outside. you just can't forget what that means to people to know that i can't even go in to this facility to practice my faith and my work without always having to keep in the back of my mind, as a very real reminder in front of me, that i'm under a threat. law enforcement and the jewish community, they're synced up across the nation. they share information. they share best practices. it's this reality. it's disheartening. sad when incidents like this happen. >> evy are you still there? >> one thing i want to jump on regarding what josh is saying, security and law enforcement, two different things. you can have security guards or people there. it doesn't always mean there's going to be armed.
you don't know what their level of training is. here we have three officers who triy eied to deal with this individual and got injured. you don't know what level of training they have. you don't know how good they are. you don't know if they can run from -- i've seen some security people in some places where i don't know if they can run from one corner of the block to another. so there's also that. security, law enforcement, they're not the same thing. just because you put somebody there who's got, you know, a uniform on doesn't mean they're going to be able to deal with the situation. >> right. i stink instincts are different. >> right, in orlando, there was a police officer out there who was overpowered by the shooter who was using high-powered weapons. that could be what happened here. there are some indications he was using high-powered weapon here. even if there was an armed guard there, what is one armed guard --
>> look, these situations are -- >> they're very different. >> there may be some common threads but there's no framework for terrorism. >> if someone wants to do something like this, there's really nothing anyone can do to stop. no matter how much security you have. the concern always is, as we hear, like, did someone know something about this individual and didn't come forward? did someone know that he was about to do this, that he was planning, that he had these weapons, he had these anti-jewish views? we'll see if that's the case and if someone didn't come forward or was this guy in hiding and planning this on his own. those are the things that usually prevent these kinds of attacks. once someone gets ready to do something like this and, you know, josh can certainly speak to this better than i can, there's nothing you can do to stop them. the idea there may be -- whethers thewhether s there was an armed guard or not. we should be focusing on the people who are injured. the people are now suffer, the
families. on a saturday, it's -- it's the sabbath. like you're in there to pray. to be with your family. yes. this should not happen, right? that's the larger question here. in terms of what is going on. if this continues and just t continues to happen. that's something we should remember law enforcement is facing. this is a big problem. >> there are multiple hallmarks of terrorism, hate-filled acts like this. clearly no singular -- >> i have to go, i'm sorry. >> we got you, evy, thank you so much. no singular framework for something as heinous as this. again this is still an active live shooter scene. even though one person is in custody. law enforcement remains there at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh. we'll be right back. ♪ eastbound and down. ♪ loaded up and truckin'.
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a synagogue in pittsburgh shooting is being investigated as a hate crime. we're expecting the police will update the public on the tragic events this morning in pittsburgh. here in the meantime is what we do know where, that ten people were killed. six others were injured, including among them, four police officers. the gunman is in custody and wounded and made anti-jewish remarks, comments during the shooting. he has been identified. he is 46-year-old robert bowers. cnn has learned that he frequently targeted jews on social media. particularly on a platform called gab, posting just today can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. screw your optics. i'm going in. president trump has reacted to this shooting just moments ago. >> with one unified voice we condemn the historic evil of
anti-semitism, and every other form of evil and, unfortunately, evil comes in many forms. we come together as one american people. >> all right. let's get right to the scene, and our sonja mogi, who has just arrived there in squirrel hill. sonja, what are you seeing? what's the latest? >> i have reported on other mass shootings. this scene is eerily quiet. i'm not seeing a lot of people walking around outside. it is raining, but, you know, when i was in orlando, you saw people immediately surrounding that nightclub. law enforcement vehicles are -- many, many law enforcement authorities are behind me at the scene processing that scene right now, but as far as
bystanders, there's not the usual, and i think part of the reason is neighbors here are shocked, and we are hearing more details about those moments coming out after the shooting. in fact, we just got audio on a dispatch call of the moment the shooting happened, and those calls to 911. let's take a listen to those right now. >> tall white mail, short hair, light blue shirt, jeans. >> i got one. >> back in one right now? still alive. we have four down in the atrium.
doa. >> i many a report of at least one victim in the basement. >> i have an additional four victims. four victims in the second story atrium off the front hall. >> what's your status in the basement? >> 12 at the bottom of the stairwell. working room to the right. we have blood. >> that audio showing the moment of chaos right after that shooting and then during that shooting neighbors telling me that many of them here in this neighborhood called the squirrel hill neighborhood here in pittsburgh sheltered in place and didn't know if it would be safe to go out. it is safe now for them to go out. authorities say that there's no immediate threat here. now we're simply wondering who has been one of the ten people who have been reported dead, wondering if it's anyone they knew themselves. >> that lockdown has been
lifted. we understand there's been a perimeter setting up. sonja in squirrel hill, pittsburgh. thank you so much. now, we're also getting new images from the suspect's social media accounts. it appears that he posted photos of his gun collection, what he called his glock family, as well as those targets from a firing range. joining me now to take a look at all this are, again, cnn's crime and justice reporter shimon and cnn law enforcement analyst, former fbi supervisory special agent josh campbell and former assistant director for the u.s. marshall's office art roderick. art, let me start with you. i don't know if you are able to hear that dispatch there, the audio. what was your take-away? i mean, it was very calm and collected, but, obviously, a very intense situation. >> yeah. alex, you know, i have been part of training regarding first responder training that we held within department of homeland security, and you listen to
those radio transmissions, and that's exactly what it sounds like when these first responders go through that type of training. they actually have role players that will actually assume the positions of the victims and you hear that radio traffic and that's exactly how these types of incidences go down. it sounds like it's chaotic, but it's actually organized chaos. these law enforcement officers know exactly what to do, where to go to neutralize the threat immediately and then treat the victims and evacuate them as quickly as possible. that's exactly what you heard. you have listened to others like it. what's your reaction? >> it's similar to what i have heard in other situations. it is organized chaos. art is absolutely right. they train for this stuff, and they know kmbl what to do. what struck me is how not only are they looking for an active shooter, but their lives are now
in danger. in the middle of this near pulling people out who are perhaps hiding. there is a part of this audio where they -- they're finally confront the shooter. they describe how he is crawling and turned over. we showed imalkz of the weapons that he owned that he posted on his social media. they talk about in the audio how they see a gun in his waist and a gun on his ankle, a hadn't gun. they also talked about in the audio about seeing a magazine for what looks like a high-powered assault rifle. we've heard the vice president, and even they describe the heroic efforts, and then, finally, they talked about what the suspect was saying about jews and so that's what -- they knew right away what they were dealing with, but just to think about how they went through that
building. there were about four floors that they were searching. they went to the basement to search for people, searching for him. really making this situation -- well, preventing it from being far worse. we've dwotd these pictures here. you have confirmed that he did have a license to carry. >> that's right. our law enforcement contacts are telling us that he did have a valid firearms carrying license there in pennsylvania. he made a number of purchases, lawful purchases of firearms since 1996. again, we don't know what particular weapon was used in this incident, and whether that was one that we're seeing on our screen or, you know, one that he had actually purchased legally. that we still don't know. i will say one thing that's very chilling as we talk about this transcript now that we're getting, we look at this it's
safe to bet these officers continue to move through that location in order to identify where the person was to try to take them into custody, and just custody just very schilg listening to this, particularly that one line. we need armor. i think they knew what they were in for. >> there's no doubt that this is an anti-semitic attack, and we've already figured that out in the first moments after this. the president has officially declared this to be an anti-semitic attack. he made some remarks earlier today. let's take a listen. >> what happened today is a horrible, horrible thing. we're learning a lot about it. it looks definitely like it's an anti-semitic crime. it's something you wouldn't believe that could still be
going on. >> art roderick, i want to go back to you. we've seen this time and time again. these mass shootings. has anything been done to try to stop this? >> well, alex, i don't think much has been done. you know, some states have passed laws to make bump stops illegal. a few of them have. really, nothing has been done, and we keep going sort of over the same record over and over again every time we had one of these shootings. the thing that, you know, that i thought about here after this horrible week of hate and we had, you know, the mail bomber who esspoused white supremacy, which is anti-semitic and anti-immigrant, and now we have this individual espousing the same exact stuff. was the mail bomber the same -- >> we're going to cut you off.
there's a press conference underway. let's take a listen.
>> i'm the public safety director of the city of pittsburgh. to my left is scott schubert and chief of police. first off, on behalf of the city, our hearts go out to all the victims that have been involved in today's tragedy. these incidents usually occur in other cities. today the nightmare has hit home here in the city of pittsburgh. as you're well aware, a tree of life synagogue at 5898 wilkins avenue at 9:54 this morning calls were received at the alleghany county emergency operations center that an active shooter was inside the building. at 9:55 officers were dispatched. apparently initial confrontation between the subject and the
officers occurred injuring two of the officers. two additional officers were injured during the altercation. those were swat officers. multiple agencies responded to this incident this morning, and without their courage, this tragedy would have been far worse. those include numerous state, county, and federal agencies as well as neighboring ems services along with the city of pittsburgh. additionally, the dispatchers, the physicians, nurses that assisted in this incident should also be commended. there were 11 fatalities as a result of the shooting incident. there were no children. there were additionally six injuries to include four of the police officers. that does not include the
suspect. chief schubert has visited several of the injured officers. he will update you as well as the doctor will update and give you a current update on the victims that are currently being treated. personally, i would like to thank every agency that responded today as well as the dispatchers, the fbi. as you are aware, this is a federal crime, and both s.a.c. bob jones and u.s. attorney scott brady will discuss that. i would like to take a few minutes and allow scott shubert to discuss the officers, what they encountered when they arrived at the scene this morning. chief. >> as the director said, first and foremost, our hearts and thoughts and prayers go to the
victims of this, and to our officers who responded. i can tell you by the time i got there, they were already starting to extract people. watching those officers run into the danger to remove people and get them to safety was unbelievable. for the swat officers, our swat officers and swat teams from around the region who were there who went into that active shooting and were able to apprehend that actor, i can't speak more for the courage that they have. two of the officers that were hit, as the director said, were the first responders to the scene and were engaged, and they're both in stable condition, and two from our swat team during an engagement inside the building were struck as well.
we're going to thank them for the jobs they did and for saving lives, but we can't not forget those victims inside that synagogue who lost their life. thank you. >> good afternoon. i'm bob jones, special agent in charge of the pittsburgh office of the fbi. thank you. certainly, the actions this person took today were hateful. we're in the early stages of this investigation, and over the next several days and weeks we will look at everything in the suspect's life. his home, his vehicle, his social media, and his movements over the last several days. at this point we have no knowledge that bowers was known
to law enforcement before today. i want you to know that the law enforcement will work around the clock to get the answers to why this happened. that said, we ask for the public's patience in the coming hours and days as we work through this investigation. this is the most horrific crime scene i've seen with the federal bureau of investigation. members of the tree of life synagogue conducting a peaceful service and their place of worship were brutally murdered by a gunman targeting them simply because of their faith. the suspect's full motive is unknown, but we believe he was acting alone. at this time the fbi has significant resources in and deploying to pittsburgh from our laboratory division, our critical incident response group, our office of victim assistance, and our operational technology division. i can't say enough about the actions of the pittsburgh police, the pittsburgh police swat team, and the alleghany county police. had it not been for the quick and heroic response this would
have been much worse. thank you very much. now i'll turn it over to governor wolf. >> thank you. i'm governor tom wolfe, pennsylvania. today words simply i can't express the sadness that all pennsylvanians feel for what happened today. i want to give my condolences, first of all, to the victims of this tragedy, their families, and their friends and to this community. the shooting is being investigated by the fbi as a hate crime. my heart breaks for the members of the jewish community. any attack on one community of faith is an attack on any community of faith in pennsylvania, and ip the jewish community across the kwemt and across the country to know that we stand in support of you as we, together, mourn this
senseless account of violence. the shabat is a time of reflection and a time for finding peace. not for violence. pennsylvania's jewish community is strong, vibrant, and resilient. now is the time more than ever to come together and to support each other. i have spent today with first responders, with local leaders, and i am in awe of the bravery displayed by law enforcement, those folks to help keep people safe and to prevent tragedy. federal, state, and local law enforcement are working in concert to investigate this tragedy and to maintain public safety. at the state level the pennsylvania emergency management agency and the department of health are in contact with local officials to assist any, any, unmet needs. the pennsylvania state police have been on the scene already and are coordinating with federal and local law enforcement. pennsylvania state police's swat
team, the helicopter, canine units, and bomb technicians have all responded and are all assisting. my thoughts right now are focused on the vimsz, however. their families, their friends, and making sure that law enforcement has every resource that they need. in the aftermath of this tragedy, we must all come together, and we must take action to prevent these tragedies in the future. we simply cannot accept this violence as a normal part of american life. good afternoon. i'm the united states attorney for the western district of pennsylvania. today is a tragic day for pittsburgh. it's a tragic day for our brothers and sisters in the jewish community. on behalf of the attorney general and the entire united
states department of justice, we want to express our deepest and most heart felt condolences to the victims and their loved ones, the jewish community, and everyone who is affected by this terrible and unspeakable act of hate. i spoke with general sessions today, and he wanted me to express his condolences and know that he stands with pittsburgh and with pittsburgh's jewish community. the actions of robert bowers represent the worst of humanity. where he expect to file criminal charges shortly. perhaps as early as today. please know that justice in this case will be swift and it will be severe. i want to echo the comments of chief shubert and the bravery that was exhibited by the swat teams of pittsburgh police and the alleghany county police. they ran towards gunfire to keep people safe. they exetch few today the best of all of the traditions of law
enforcement and to the pittsburgh police. know that we're working together with our federal, state, and local law enforcement partners to gather all the facts. the cooperation of law enforcement has been outstanding. i was at the scene today, which as we stated by special agent jones was a horrible scene to witness, and, yet, all of the federal, state, and local partners stood together in concert and are working together to solve this. we deeply appreciate the response of the pittsburgh police, the fbi, alleghany county police, and all of our law enforcement partners who are working so hard. know that we will work day and night for justice for the victims of this crime and please know that we'll continue to update you as we are able. thank you. >> good afternoon. i'm dr. done kneely. i am a professor of emergency medicine, and i oversee
emergency medicine for umc and the university of pittsburgh. at about 10:00 this morning we became aware of the incident, and very quickly we were able to put together the resources that we have available every day at the level one trauma centers. that includes upmc presbyterian and upmc mercy and we notified alleghany general. we were able to dispatch to the scene three physician who's have expertise in ems working with peace officers and our outstanding ems providers to help assess the scene and help accomplish triage. we're blessed here to have the finest ems providers in the country and we're blessed because people have invested in people and in resources over decades to make sure that we have that type of excellence. the patients were all transported to one of three facilities. four patients came to upmc presbyterian. one to upmc mercy, and the final patient went to alleghany general hospital. i can give you a listing of what those particular patients were. i obviously cannot give you
personal information. first patient was a 61-year-old female who had extremity soft tissue injuries that required cleaning in the operative room. she's doing well now in recovering. next was a 70-year-old male who had gunshot wounds in his torso involving major organs inside of his abdomen. beyond what we call a damage control laparotomy. that is an operation to get the initial injury under control where we expect to have to do a second or third operation later. he is now having that second operation now. he is obviously in critical condition. a 55-year-old officer was also seen who had multiple extremity wounds. went to the o.r., again, for repair and cleaning of those wounds, and, then, finally, another officer had essentially soft tissue injuries and grazing and was having a complete evaluation. looks to be doing fine now. those are the four patients at upmc presbyterian. another officer went to upmc mercy.
had an extremity injury that required intervention and evaluation in the operating room. again, that officer is doing fine. happy to answer any questions if you have those. >> did it seem like perhaps any sort of special type of bullets may have been used that would create any extra damage or something to that extent? >> i don't have any direct knowledge about that, but not from the injury pattern it did not appear that way. [ inaudible ] >> there were some with multiple injuries and some with singular injuries. again, this is something that we're prepared to take care of every day. i'm very proud of the team. we had extra physicians available, nurses available to take care of whatever could happen. when we first heard of this, we knew that there were a few patients injured, some dead. we did not know the size and the magnitude of this and so we were prepared to take care of as many as were necessary.
[ inaudible ] >> i do not. >> do you have the age of the other two officers? >> the officer that went to mercy is 27. the fourth one at presbyterian i don't know his age. he is younger than me. >> are he this all male officers. >> yes. >> can you give us the breakdown of the patient conditions? >> i would describe two as in critical condition. they're in the icu right now. one of whom returned to the operating room. the others are doing well. we would not -- there is obviously seriously injured, but i would not describe them as critical. >> the second patient that is critical, you tension e mentioned a 70-year-old male. other than the 55-year-old officer -- >> yes. >> we'll take a few other questions. one at a time. >> question for the special agent. can you talk, sir, about the caliber of ammunition and perhaps the weapon that was involved?
>> i don't know the calibers at this point. we think one was an assault rifle, and we know that the suspect had at least three handguns upon him at the time. >> what? >> an assault rifle and three handguns in the facility. >> was it clear how he -- >> don't know at this time. >> do you know whether he had any specific connection to tree of life or that location. >> do not know that at this point. >> how old is the suspect? >> he is a pittsburgh resident. i don't know his able at this point. >> whatsoever precautions are being taken entering his apartment. >> we would take all precautions as we would with any search warrant. we don't know if other weapons are in there, but we would proceed with caution. >> is the bomb squad part of that process? >> we would put the bomb squad in any scenario like this where we would anticipate the devices, but we have no information at this point that there are any ied's present. >> how long was he in the synagogue before he was brought into custody. >> approximately 20 minutes.
>> whatsoever condition is the suspect in? is he speaking with law enforcement? >> i'll turn it over to wendell. >> i will not get into whether or not he is speaking with the authorities. however, my understanding was he was transported to the alleghany general. he is in fair condition with multiple gunshot wounds. >> was he wearing any body armor? >> i do not have that answer at this point. >> do any of the investigators have that answer? flack jacket, body armor? >> don't know at this point. >> can you tell us about the service that was going on inside the synagogue? >> i know a service was taking place. i'm not quite sure of exactly which kind. >> there have been reports it was a baby naming. >> we heard that as well. >> you can't confirm -- >> i cannot confirm that at this time. >> was the gunman shot by police or self-inflicted gunshot wounds. >> we believe it was police, but definitive determination will have to be done with the investigation being conducted by
the fbi. >> what are the ages of the people that were killed? is there any information about them at this point? >> we do not. we're hoping to have a follow-up press conference tomorrow, and at that time a representative from the medical examiner's office. >> are there children among the deceased? >> no children among the deceased. >> were they present? >> we are still talking to the many witnesses at this point, so -- >> did the gunman shout anything before he opened fire? >> we don't have that information at this point. >> are local synagogues in pittsburgh on lockdown at this time? >> i don't know about lockdown, but we will certainly make sure that the information is passed so they can take necessary precautions. >> should people of the jewish faith in pittsburgh be worried or be on alert, or do we think that the threat has been -- >> we think the threat has been eliminated. again, we don't think that anybody has been associated with this gunman, but we'll continue to look at all angles in the conduct of the investigation. >> if i could just follow-up on
that. pittsburgh bureau of police have been notified of numerous services that are being conducted, including a vigil tonight, and we will have adequate police protection at those sites. >> is there security at the synagogue? >> not that we're aware of. >> last question. >> what can you tell us about the suspect's movements inside the synagogue and what he actually did? >> after he entered the synagogue, it looks like at that point he murdered the 11 parishioners. i believe he was exiting or in the process of exiting the sun going when a pittsburgh uniformed officer engaged him. that pittsburgh officer was subsequently wounded. he withdrew, and as he was withdrew, the defendant or the suspect went back into the synagogue in order to hide from swat officers who were moving twashds the scene. that's all we know at this point. >> what's his status medically? is he injured? >> he is. >> i'm sorry. one clarification on the weapon.
you mentioned an assault rifle and three handguns. is there evidence that he used all of those weapons? >> i don't know that at this point. we'll look at the crime scene in detail this evening and know more. i'll know in the morning. >> thank you, everyone. [ inaudible ] >> the most horrific crime scene i have ever seen. that's what the pittsburgh fbi agent in charge called today's shooting at the tree of life synagogue. local and federal and medical officials there briefing the public on the latest about this morning's shooting. we now know that the death toll has risen to 11 people when the gunman opened fire. this morning none of those 11 were children they said. six others were injured, including four police officers, some of whom were critically. we should note that none of those six include the actual shooter. in terms of a timeline, at 9:54
a.m. a call came in reporting the active shooter at the synagogue. swat teams then went into an active shooting mode to apprehend the suspect who we now know is 46-year-old robert bowers. we also know that the suspect, according to law enforcement officials, was not known to them before today and that he was believed to be acting alone. the motive remains officially unclear, though it is plainly evident that it was anti-semitism and charges are expected to be filed soon, possibly today. the fbi has said that they are investigating this as a hate crime. i want to bring in my panel again. shimon, crime and justice reporter. josh campbell and art roderick. josh, first to you. among the wounded, so the seventh wounded, is the shooter. >> that's right. what we've been asking ourselves up to this point is what happened the moment the person was taken into custody? was there an exchange of gunfire? how did the wounded, the
injuries actually take place, and we're learning there from officials that they're saying that the officers were wounded. there were four officers injured in this incident, and interestingly enough, the subject himself suffered what the official was calling multiple gunshot wounds. the subject was in the hospital now and described as in fair condition, but that describes that there was at least some exchange of gunfire. both sides injured here. one thing that's interesting, i can only imagine what that crime scene looks like right now. you mentioned the special agent in charge. i know bob jones, he is one of the most buttoned down, emotionless by the books, just the facts person and say this is the most horrific thing i've seen in my career. just stunning. >> you could hear the emotion in all of their voices. art, back to you. we did listen to the audio, the dispatch earlier. now we've got a little bit more color, a little bit more information about how this unfolded, what the response was like. how well did local and then federal law enforcement respond? >> i'll tell you, they did exactly what they're supposed to do. as a matter of fact, on the very first page of the training sill
bus, it says right in the second paragraph, you must assume the position of a warrior. you have to go in as quickly as possible without hesitation, but being tactically soubd without any regard to your own safety, and that's exactly what these officers did. these men are heroes. you know, going up against an assault rifle, luckily it sounded like there was a couple swat team members there that probably also had assault rifles, but assault rifles are made for one thing, and that's to take down a human being and try to create as much tissue damage within the body as they can. if he is using an ak-47, which is a large caliber assault rifle, that is a very deadly weapon, and that's why we have the fatality count as high as it is right now. >> all right. art, we now know that the mass shooting suspect also posted on social media six minutes before the first police call. i'm going to quote from that.
he wrote i can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. screw your optics. i'm going in. we now know it's left 11 people dead at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh. shimon, law enforcement also saying that he acted alone, which will always make it more difficult to anticipate these types of things. >> there's no way we could have anticipated this unless someone comes forward and says that he was talking about it. by every indication, certainly what josh has been hearing, is that these weapons were purchased legally. so far there's nothing to indicate that he did anything illegal in purchasing these weapons, that there were any issues with that. right now it doesn't seem like there's anything they could have
done to prevent this. sometimes we do hear about things down the line. again, i think we have a good understanding now of what went on inside the synagogue, and it really is chilling when you think about i think 20 minutes or so that police were inside with the suspect trying to bring him down and successfully they did. they shot him, and even then we don't have this audio yet, but they talk about him crawling, them trying to get him to surrender, really and then in the middle of all that, trying to rescue people, get people out that have been injured. we'll see how far back they go in terms of whether those present any red flags. >> they usually -- they always do. we always now are finding social media posts.
he is joining us now. rabbi, your congregation. your synagogue, we understand, is just two blocks away from the tree of life synagogue there in squirrel hill. first, you knew -- you know the rabbi of that congregation well, and i imagine you know many of the worshippers. what's your reaction to this horrific attack? >> that's true. when we gather for shabat worship, for sabbath. prayers of peace. it's horrific. >> we've spoken with experts about the significant upstick in anti-semitic incidents. when you see something like this happen, are you surprised? can you tell me about the general feeling across american jewish communities in terms of
the threat? a gunman coming in with guns blazing and innocence in schools and churches. it's not the first house of worship that this has taken place. seik temples, african-american churches. now here in pittsburgh. we're just torn asundayer, our community. what can turn into deadly danger? >> i think we just have a culture today that is rife with guns and inflamed rhetoric. i think there is a tremendous sense of loneliness and alienation that's part of our cultural fabric today.
we're seeing the populist fraying at the edges, and that is how they can come to any community at any time, and none of us can any longer rely on our sense of security or the notion that our communities are sealed from the les rest of the world. we're all at vulk as anyone else anywhere on the globe today. >> we have spoken to a number of people there on the ground today. some members of pittsburgh's jewish community. i imagine you have been speaking all day with fellow members of the jewish community. how are people doing? what are they saying? >> we're all just in shock. this news began to trickle out for us just as our service was beginning. we weighed how to share this with the people that are gathered peaceably in our sanctuary. we went on lockdown, let them know that an incident was unfolding. that we were in partnership with the local police and law enforcement and that we were doing the safest thing we could do and focussing our thoughts on what we can control, which is
the opportunity that we have to support one another. now as we begin to learn the full impact and the scale of this tragedy, we're all just beginning to only now to absorb it and to imagine what this will mean for our community going forward. >> all right. rabbi aaron bryce, our deepest condolences to you and to the other members of the community there in pittsburgh. we're going to take a quick break. much more of our ongoing coverage right after this. where are mom and dad? 'saved money on motorcycle insurance with geico! goin' up the country. love mom and dad' i'm takin' a nap. dude, you just woke up! ♪ ♪ i'm goin' up the country, baby don't you wanna go? ♪ ♪ i'm goin' up the country, baby don't you wanna go? ♪ geico motorcycle, great rates for great rides.
snoo officials have just gin us an update on the mass shooting today at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh. 11 people were killed, and six were wounded, including four police officers. let's bring in cnn's jessica dean who joins me now. she has arrived on the scene. she was in that press conference. jessi jessica, what can you tell us about what the authorities are focussing on in their investigation. >> with the, alex, right now they are focussing in on the suspect. they say they are going to leave no stone unturned. that means they'll be looking at his home, his vehicle. they'll be going through his social media accounts. they're going to be tracking where he has been over the past few days, week, probably even months. zooming out to the big picture, you mentioned now confirming 11 people dead in this shooting at the synagogue this morning.
we know no children are involved in that number. we also found out that six people have been injured. two of those are older individuals. 60 plus. one of them is critical condition. the other four are the other four are police officers, and we learned a little bit more about how that happened. again, i want to take you back to this morning. it was just before 10:00 a.m. here in pittsburgh. that's when those initial calls went out. it was 9:54 a.m. within one minute law enforcement had been dispatched to the synagogue, and that is when they went in and made their first injury. first responders. that's when two of the officers were injured. we're told that the suspect was on his way out at that point. he engaged. went back inside the synagogue at that point and was hiding from authorities. that's when the swat team started making their way to the scene. we know two swat officers were
injured as well. we also hear inside from the special agent in charge from the fbi. he said in his over 20 years at the fbi this is the most horrific scene he has ever seen. a lot of people echoing that sentiment. we know that had he had to send three different doctors to that scene to perform triage, to make sure that anyone who was wounded, who could be treated was getting the treatment that they needed at that moment. now they look ahead to that investigation. as i said, agents are going to be combing through all of that information about that suspect who we know was also injured in all of this. they're going to be going through his gak ground trying to understand how this all got put together. exactly what kind of firearms he was using. they know they said there was one type of firearm and then three handguns. again, still trying to figure out exactly which of those were used. alex, still a lot of information to piece together.
as i said, we still are waiting to hear more about these victims. the 11 dead here in pittsburgh. we also know that the community already coming together. tonight this evening they are gathering for candlelight vigil to honor those victims and also pray for those currently injured. >> yeah, jessica. you did know that one of the injured, the seventh injury, the seventh wounded, was the shooter himself, and the authorities had said that that was a result -- that was in response -- that was because of police gunfire. do we know anything more about the status of his own injury and more broadly about him -- him as well. we know that he made these horrific -- these terrible, ugly anti-semitic comments saying he was going in just six minutes before the shooting started. >> right. they did say without question this is being prosecuted as a hate crime, alex. there is no question about that. federal authorities are zeroing in on that, and that is how they
are proceeding forward. this is a hate crime. they didn't share a whole lot about his current status. he is injured. he suffered wounds, but that was about as far as they would go in terms of telling us his exact status. they did say, and i think i mentioned this, that they are expecting to file charges as soon as today in this case. they are certainly moving along quickly in terms of filing these charges in what they are prosecuting as a federal hate crime. >> all right. jessica there in squirrel hill. thanks for being on the scene for says you wrrks thanks very much. we're going to take a quick break. we will be right back. ♪ introducing the new capital one savor card.
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we have just learned that president trump is going ahead with a campaign re-election rally that was planned for today. the rampage by the suspected gunman at pittsburgh's tree of life synagogue left at least 11 people dead and six others wounded. law enforcement is telling cnn that as he opened fire, he was also spewing anti-semitic statements. let's go to where the president's rally will be taking place later today. we have heard from the president several times today. what has he been saying about this attack, and about the decision to move forward with in a rally. president trump had to respond for the second time this
week about domestic terror. he said it was hard to believe this anti-semitic attack took place here in today's day and age. he called on all americans to unite, to condemn not only anti-sem tirk, but all forms of hatred. he then went on to say more at his rally in indiana. listen to this. >> earlier today there was a horrific shooting target and killing jewish americans at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. the widespread persecution of jews represents one of the darkest and ugliest features of human history. the vial hate-filled poison of anti-sem tirk muck condemned and confronted everywhere and anywhere it appears.
>> now, alex we have gun control. he dismissed that idea suggesting that if the synagogue had armed guards, then perhaps things could have turned oud differently. he also talked about capital punishment and the suggestion about the death penalty and some sort of a deterrent. we should point out that the president had spoken about potentially cancelling today's event and he decided to move forward. we can't let evil change our life and change our schedule. we go with a heavy heart, but we go. alex. >> boris, i want to follow-up on that. that the president as he was leaving for indianapolis today did mention he had been an armed guard inside. they might have been able to stop him. he didn't allow any further discussion about possible gun control. he is now sticking to this line of, you know, a big guy with a
gun. a number of contradictory statements at the white house. you'll recall that he pledged at one point being afraid. now the president -- said he would not be affected with the armed guard. >> thanks very much. >> we'll take another break. we will be right back.
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them every step of the way. and would still feel at home environment today it's a smallish town but these weimar classicists as they were known once made it the cultural center of europe. in the late eighteenth century it was ruled by carlisle guest the clever gene he recognised and supported people with great talent. he proved them to his cool and paid them to write compose and stage plays. his home on transplant square was then as now the most prestigious address. the poet moved here in seventeen eighteen and as you can see he was an expert when it came to shapes and colors. he wrote such great works as fast in his study here. he died in the room next door in eight
hundred thirty two. but it takes more than one power to make a golden age just a few steps from fallen plant is the house afraid lakesha left and. his friend girls are brought into weimar. they took the ideas of the enlightenment and humanism from via to the outside world. not far away is the city palace. it is. a visit will give you an insight into how the art loving rule is lived. the palace had more than fifty state rooms. duchess and amalia and her son col augustus had enormous wealth and they used it to promote the arts and science.
education libraries now known as the ana amalia library is right next to the palace it's rococo hall is often reverently called the pantheon of german classes and. in fact poets and philosophers came here to study the classical works it was run for years by the great cutter himself. on health south of the city that you call family had a hunting lodge built the bell there. even if you're not interested in the bauhaus or the enlightenment if you just need a green o.s.'s to take a break while your environment this is the place feel. phrases of the balls. hard to find it via but the exist for example at the national theatre the constitution of the final republic was passed here in one thousand nine
hundred years of plaque to commemorate it. and who made it but it to us. we continue to the historic cemetery like a bolt of lightning this monument shoots out of the ground fighters are going to do is build it on behalf of the unions to commemorate the victims of the political turmoil of nine hundred twenty the nazis destroyed the sculpture but it was late to rebuild slightly modified so. this is spock i'm dead in where you'll find the temple have been homeless a meal gothic building or about holes ma stuff it's an had his painting studio it was bombed during world war two and has since stood as a ruin in the park. and
finally the house on the lawn it's the very first building built by the fellows in one nine hundred twenty three we can't visit at the moment because it's being prepared for the falls anniversary in two thousand nine hundred. the house on one remains the only balls building environment in one thousand nine hundred twenty five the both had to leave the city because the new conservative state government cut the schools funding but other cities were only too happy to welcome both so gold and his colleagues moved to the only two hours away from by car. this oddly shaped building is the bunk house academy and where the movement really took off it was the first house building here. now an icon of modern design when it was built it seemed more like a series of boxes that had landed in
a field. a cat fifteen a desk many people and yes i was shocked that architecture could look like this i've never seen anything like it it was an entirely new architectural language i think it was. the julia house with its distinctive balconies was germany's first student dormitory it also belongs to the academy twenty eight by house as lived worked and partied here you two can spend the night in one of the small studios not glamorous but modern. in the master's offices and in skiing caulfield's finding out and their colleagues allowed themselves a little more room the buildings look uniform from the outside flat roofs white cubes clear lines but the interiors show each master's own preferences. multicolored and bright. white and minimalist it was an exciting colony of artists that bought
a gold fields had nurtured here. and to this day could attract visitors to death so from around the world. it's come not to us we have people from australia japanese groups and in the past few years more and more chinese groups and really love to have a look this is when i was down on. the employment office is another example of house architecture in desa. panda seen here the bell house could do curves as well as straight lines as demonstrated by the corner office a waterside property they designed. the restaurant on the banks of the river abbott is a great place to end the day and. there is a lot of construction go. on the environment the new boat was museum is due to be complete for the one hundredth anniversary the future director will be good business takes
me to the building site. is the city is the building also but. imposed. no it's not our style it's contemporary and most designed by berlin architect hike ahead of us but it is acute. and that immediately makes you think of the bauhaus with flat roofs and things like that and fluffed it has connections to the house to the. canada is a real fan of means found or architecture can't apply that. to are done the. right next door is the gulf which was built by the nazis as a demonstration of their problem. the need snitched gets to fairly and monday approximately isn't a coincidence of spunk hunted a has placed a building that to confront the go for was due to school board organ the height of the building is also in line with that of the gulf war and annoying balls museums
there are about the same height. on the side it's a very self-confident position in the plot ceiling pieces that the nazis worked on forcing the bauhaus out of the town so in a sense we've returned with great self-confidence. doesn't cause and said it was so . it takes a lot of imagination to picture the bright sure rooms that will be here when the balls museum opens in april two thousand and nineteen for the first time there will be enough space to present the treasures of the fire my balls collection to a white audience. but it's that's. when the bauhaus had to leave by my old copius had the opportunity to choose items from the bauhaus workshops on how to knit each. one hundred sixty eight objects and we're going to display them b.s. that the world's first collection this is of it's
a special highlight which you can see and know where. we're going then paris london . new york's income come with a larger highlight a tourist magnet. is the point to alicia highlight of course there are highlights we know that many visitors are especially interested and. we have outstanding paintings by lionel finding a wonderful painting by clay glee they'll be exhibited down here in this area. for now all the treasures are kept away from the public safely guarded in a warehouse but i can already admire some of the objects. with these and why do you need gloves to handle the lamp in the first. wow this is. nuts and this plant dates back to nine hundred twenty four it is by the hand back in trade looking and although it might look quite robust it was made by hand. water
or. it also seems that up here the glass has a crack. although there reproductions of the lamp on sale in every design shop in design these first prototypes are very fragile. that. these figures look a bit more robust. doesn't hunt. these are puppets by about how trauma. to the would turn us workshop here in via amazon spied to create these completely new kinds of figures and. i think we're going to take that out of us victims of so what are there for it's a puppet so you put it on your hand and do a show for kids good now you know exactly that all the idea was to play with all four children. and now from via self america our of your one. invited us to he shows us his favorite
places in the capital of argentina here's a new episode of meet a local. you're welcome to wait outside race and once and i'll take you through the city. and become one with all that will start on the class of the manager of the wisconsin rosalba is the seat of the national government and that's. going to end the historic building that can build though was important in the founding of our country and here's the metropolitan cathedral. everything happens here from the biggest celebrations to protests and demonstrations. and the simpler through a tad sort of cologne is also in the city center it's one of the five theaters worldwide most renowned for their history size and acoustics here the most
important classical music works and ballets are performed. one of them over if you're exploring buenos aires you have to visit one of the many historical and traditional cafes in the city now we're in cafe for tony it's the oldest cafe in argentina learning it's a cafe mustn't be with us you want to say this. isn't the end of the scene it's one hundred sixty years of existence many presidents artists and international authorities have sat at these tables when he was still living in argentina the pope drink coffee here. i feel the city of buenos aires has more than three million residents in the metropolitan region of more than twelve million it's one of the largest in latin america. a one with our tour continues in one of the best known districts or body. once an immigrant district and now one of the most attractive places for tourists because of its street life and tradition you
look at them with opinions. that among the things that make a book are unique so my. the vibrant colors of its buildings which are many of them are made of timber and scrap iron from old ships but often fields. when there is a good one here you can see another major tradition in argentina in vienna and the tango there was but here's a secret it only a few people here really know how to dance it. is. the same on earth now it's on to the city's hipster districts that were in color more so for a show from the body of his name refers to the famous new york neighborhood and i think it used to be a working class district if you have it so i know it's in the i think window now
you'll find all sorts of restaurants so much for the most of the fashion and a sign outlets and an intense nightlife. call but i think there are also lots of places in this body of that serve beer and there's nothing like wanted to end the day with. a bit of it such as i hope you like to see you soon and where no side is. it's a speculative towers high above via ma in one thousand nine hundred thirty seven the nazis established to convert concentration camp here prisoners from all over europe went through this gate with a cynical inscription you didn't design it to each his own if you look closely you may think the font looks a little bit but oh yes but how can that be. the answer is in the museum
it describes the inhumane conditions in brooklyn but consideration cab and. provides victim stories like that off he was a designer and architect at the ball school and a communist he was one of the first prisoners at pool invite they had to build the concentration camp france alice was given the job of making the sign for the gate he chose a boat house type face even though balls was criticized by the nazis for being degenerate and was forbidden but he put it right under their noses. fifty six thousand people were murdered by the nazis here on at us back but france survived later he worked as an architect in what was then east germany. in general from up here you have
a great view of the weimar countryside and back there lies the small town of if you're a ball you should go there. the narrative church steeple overlooks the village of god of order now a district of vine. there are many churches and tearing and this one became almost world famous. that was thanks to the bounce artist lionel finding out. he often cycled through the countryside and painted on churches especially the one and. there's a small exhibition in sight where you can learn more about this german american artist emotionalized the church in a total of thirteen paintings which is why it's often simply called the finding a church.
there's another reason to visit and the hoarder. the norfolk house a studio and home made of wood which the architect and norfolk have built for himself and his family in one thousand nine hundred twenty nine. it was thirteen percent cheaper than a brick house and it took a man three days to build the shell. north had planned to mass produce a. hut on it does what a ball without having studied at the bar how some self he'd always worked in bartow globe uses planning orders and from that can be in your position he produced excellent results. a get me supported. and that became famous for architects data a reference book on building design. published in one thousand nine hundred six it's still a standard work for architects the world over. the how somebody the idea of living
and working under one roof the noise that foundation now uses his form offices for conferences everything is functional down to the last detail in the house and in the garden. that for all in all these and notes all this most notably he integrated the use of the garden into his all round design for a living tickled so how did somebody for instance see at a subsistence garden made. the premise was that even in financially hard times a family of four could survive for a year with a garden at this if you could figure for me the year i need. it so i do got you believe. it's well worth staying on gun of all the antilles. when a light installation illuminates the church and finding his callous. my
last stop in via is the. in this restaurant people from the balls had wild parties students and masters together. and there were legendary cost of parties. the cohost students could eat in the restaurant for relatively little money and they love to come here even though the decor is anything but suppose. one hundred years of ball is two thousand nine hundred is it anniversary work is being carried out everywhere to get things ready i was surprised how many traces i found anyway if you're also interested in the early years of the boathouse you should visit next year now it's time for me to check out the local cuisine.
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and there challengers. this seventy seven percent. platform for security. this is t w news coming to you live from berlin present donald trump loses another key cabinet member that he once stood shoulder to shoulder with now defense secretary jim matheson is stepping down you know it's been comes after the president's abrupt decision to pull u.s. troops out of syria also coming up planes are flying again at britain's second
biggest airport but authorities still haven't tracked down the drones that forced london gatwick to ground its flights causing holiday travel chaos. and threatened for their faith christians in pakistan prepare for christmas but they're increasingly the target of deadly attacks we find out how one family has suffered but sorbonne says. hello i'm terry martin good to have you with us u.s. defense secretary jim mattis has resigned over president donald trump's decision to withdraw u.s. troops from syria the four star marine general will leave in february after holding the job since trump took office reports indicate that not just decided to go after a last ditch attempt to persuade the president to reverse his decision on syria.
u.s. secretary of defense james mattis has widely been viewed as a stabilizing force both within the unpredictable us government as well as internationally the four star marine general has been defense secretary since president donald trump took office but now he's on his way out the door the two reportedly clashed on several major policy issues trump surprise announcement to withdraw troops from syria appears to have taken their differences one step too far in his resignation letter mattis stressed the importance of the u.s. maintaining strong partnerships my views on treating allies with respect and also being clear eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. that is also points to opposing policy views but the white house press secretary refutes the idea that the two had a strained relationship. secretary mabus has served the president and with the
president for two years they have a good relationship i've seen it up close and personal on a number of occasions and again they agree to disagree at times but that doesn't mean you can't have a good relationship with somebody he was laying out the reasons that he was stepping down from his post and beyond that i think it's absurd to try to question the fight when they were together for two to marietta. house democratic leader nancy pelosi said the departure of mattis is a further blow to the stability of u.s. partnerships and also sends the wrong signal to the nation's military. and shaken by the resignation of general mattis what it means to our country for the message it sends to troops our troops looking. as a leader and now he is going to be leaving them very serious for our country. and it appears trumps decision to reduce u.s.
military involvement goes beyond syria now u.s. officials say trump is also considering limiting the u.s. presence in afghanistan cutting troops by half u.s. forces deployed to afghanistan after the september eleventh attacks in two thousand and one. since then twenty four hundred u.s. soldiers have died fighting the taliban in america's longest war. the timeline for either troop withdrawal is unclear some officials say a syrian pullout could be completed within sixty to one hundred days but first president trump needs to appoint a new secretary of defense. in his letter outgoing defense secretary mattis told the president quote you have the right to have a secretary of defense whose views are aligned with yours. for more now we're joined here in the studio by middle east analyst mark is calling from the german institute for international and security affairs good to see you mark good morning
let's start with the resignation of u.s. defense secretary jim mattis what impact will that have on america's military operations and what's or so of it will have an impact on the military operations but it's a clear political signal i mean with two representatives representing very different schools international folds all international affairs president trump representing multinational it's true strain of u.s. foreign policy and in memphis representing well the internationalist strain of u.s. foreign policy and the nationalist obviously has long and therefore i think it's not only a withdrawal militaru withdraw from the rule but also political withdrawal from southern cross is faults around the world so much as it was seen as a stabilizing force in an administration that was often unpredictable that is often unpredictable from a european perspective what does it mean to lose him. or has been huge concern
about the commitment of the trumpet ministration to transatlantic security relations and that has been regarded as a guarantor of traditional transcendental security approach and with him leaving office the consensus. leaving even more growing in the european capitals he emphasized it's a matter of resignation pretty clearly bay you both appreciating the transatlantic partnerships and devalue of allies and rejecting the approach of you know as president i'm deaf i think in european capitals the idea of resonating it's just that european allies kind of maligned the president on the united states president losing a multilateral list in the administration as it were now this all started with trump's decision to pull troops out of syria what do you make of that decision the guy is not defeated in syria think we have twenty top twenty thousand to thirty
thousand fighters on the weapons with seventy to seventy five attacks on a daily basis in syria as well as in iraq so it's a terrorist organization and being pretty active so on it's just simply premature to argue that behind isis has been defeated and it's undermining the international effort to come but to continue to comment on this is therefore undermining be a u.s. internationalist approach and i expect allies to follow germany the u.k. and france also withdrawing its troops from iraq as well as you know so what will this mean for syria for what's going on there right now because it is a very complex proxy war with many interests involved absolutely nothing it's pretty obvious that the united states has left some kind of strategic break room and i would think it's less a commitment or withdrawal from the middle east not only syria but i would say what are you from the middle east in general and this is true today from the soap all of
us rushing around turkey these al the policy ruling questions on. influencing the president will polls toll all before the middle east falls here and the middle east trump has also announced his intention to pull. american troops half of american troops out of afghanistan what are the implications of not that on the minds needless and for if it's in the afghanistan i think the need to speak for secretary general. has been law has not been informed about the decision as well and. i mean the secretary of defense the i'm insecure of that of defense triples just enough against him recently announcing that the money will continue to be present in afghanistan i cannot really imagine the mission would get made to a mission in afghanistan without the united states so i think the signal he gives as well as in syria you know for withdrawal and this commitment that undermines the
credibility and legitimacy of the of government as well marcus thank you very much for your analysis marcus column from the german institute for international and security affairs here in berlin thank you now to some of the other stories making news around the world today cattle on pro independence groups are out on the streets in barcelona to protest a planned cabinet meeting in the city chaired by prime minister pedro sanchez the weekly meeting usually takes place in madrid but sanchez's government decided to hold it in the cattle and capital in an attempt at reconciliation. and that methane explosion in the czech coal miners killed thirteen miners a blast more than eight hundred meters underground is said to have destroyed large areas of the coal mine which is near the town of karbala eleven polish nationals and two checks are among the dead flights have restarted at london's gatwick airport after repeated drone flyovers shut down the operations there for
thirty six hours some one hundred twenty thousand people have been delayed but now many will be able to fly out on the seven hundred departures scheduled for today. this is one of the first planes to land at gatwick since wednesday drone sightings paralyze the airport leaving thousands stranded hungry tired and frustrated the chaos is taking its toll i have yet to have lunch breakfast dinner coffee anything else since yesterday and i say i go to the left home at three o'clock yesterday moon i'm heading out to sleep and it's now. five o'clock in the morning here is twenty six hours so one feeling mr rush terrible tired and i just want to go home. authorities are now confident that planes can fly safely britain has called in the military and snipers to intercept the drones.
i work with our partners and with their full story see we consume options around the airport a place in a much better position to respond so i think it's right before the host on these president bush press a position to respond to takes and to track the drug should it reappear. the airport says it aims to have one hundred ten thousand passengers travel out of get wake on friday the unprecedented incident has highlighted the threat drones pose to airports the international airline body. has called first steps to reduce rogue drone operations near airports to pakistan were christians are increasingly the target of deadly attacks partly motivated by a harsh interpretation of blasphemy laws in the islamic republic the most high profile case involves a b.b. a roman catholic woman recently acquitted of blasphemy with christmas approaching
we decided to take a look at what life is like for pakistan's christians sabaidee amir met some of them in islamic law. christmas is a favorite time of year for this christian family in islamabad the cougars appreciate being together especially as their lives were completely turned upside down seven years ago shot of cool kid was falsely accused of blasphemy jailed and acquitted five months later in that time he lost his job and home but is grateful he didn't lose his life to live a free man now shot its detention continues to haunt him. you always live in fear because of this we feel insecure. when we talk about your future i think what kind of future can we have it all explained the law and policies here need to be implemented properly. blasphemy is an extremely dangerous and emotive
subject in pakistan and name will forever be associated with it the catholic laborer spent eight years on death row after being accused of insulting islam she was recently acquitted of all charges respond to violent protests across the country some hardliners called for r.c. i mean judges involved in the ruling to be hanged. no one convicted of blasphemy has ever be legally its accusers about to start but there are plenty of examples of people who have been killed by lynch mobs just after being accused of it and its religious minorities it was disproportionately affected by the controversial laws. pakistan's christians make up around two percent of the population and have been the target of escalating attacks in recent he is human rights groups claim accusations of blasphemy is seen as an easy way to settle disputes as a hard to disprove but the acquittal of ossie bibi also provides
a ray of hope for this pastor. the fact that an innocent woman can be sentenced to death has made a scared it will set a bad precedent where they can arrest anyone and prosecute them so when we heard that b.p. was finally acquitted you cannot behave how happy we were we were the two churches and offered prayers thanks to god. for failing make up on but we were into fearful when we were young but we do have some fears now for example if there are gatherings we don't go outdoors when children go to church and they see armed guards they do ask why is there so much security security. attacks will continue to happen here no matter what will remain united under the name of jesus. for many christians the facts that he has been freed is a christmas miracle only could not. and even though she remains in hiding in the
celebrated this day with great joy. and we will continue to celebrate until we gather in the temple where we will be able to celebrate the lord's day much better . on the running scene there are many places without a temple. but people need a temple to encounter god. and some live the life god wants for us. can see not only needed if god is our father we are all brothers and i see you haven't met at all but if i call some of that amount and if we're all brothers it's much better to be together make more of you know up until we had. another visitor from the united states is broadly only he's been living abroad for eighteen years and has come home to celebrate with his former parish. and yet the cost of. this church is tremendously important for cuba if they listen now the eucharist to the. pulpit we have been separated from the church for too long for many various reasons you know
how much. it's important to spread the gospel must be before i die i would like to see a hundred more churches like this one on the island. so yeah i think that would be the most marvelous thing in the world. as a city you know what i mean goes all. right but does everyone think that. a few months later a few streets away. today cuba honors the c.d.r. the committees for the defense of the revolution fidel castro himself came up with the idea of a stablish in these neighborhood societies over fifty years ago on their own out of what i myself did growing up say that if i want the whole of any sort of sense then in every corner of the land in towns and in the countryside an open air festival is held every year. young and old come together.
everyone brings what they can for the colored dosa the soup that is made in a huge pot over a wood fire. originally the state also made a contribution like a pig's head but that hasn't been the case for years. on a whole lot of saturday night today we celebrate once more the brilliant idea of our commander in chief fidel castro to attack the counter-revolutionaries who wanted to destroy our revolution from the start that i will get into woke with the end up putting people at donald who i don't know will we have surely again. now we live in a state where there is no religious discrimination the dreaming up on how do you get a good thing up to the nation and yours and i am and i should add the national church
council cooperated with the state and supports its policies as in life you want to get out of line will never doubt in down. in twenty fifteen after john paul the second in benedict the sixteenth pope francis was the third pope in a row to visit cuba. although only six percent of cubans call themselves catholic the churches influence is greater than one might think that francis is the first pope from latin america and many cubans identify with him he is seen as a crucial figure in reestablishing diplomatic relations with the u.s. without the vatican's encouragement president barack obama's historic visit in two thousand and sixteen might never have taken place signs of reconciliation that seemed impossible just a few decades ago. during the new cuban leader raul castro had met the pope and wrong shortly before his visit. there.
its october time is racing the plan had been to open the church on the feast day of saint john paul the second october twenty second. but at least the bell is installed it summons the faithful to mass with a new touch of solemnity. on the archbishop is back this time to celebrate divine my. the sunday and the feast of st john paul the second. it's still not clear when the church will be finished insufficient materials financial and structural problems everything has come together and is waiting to be solved i know no doubt about that and we hope the church will be ready by the beginning of next year at the latest that. we think it well that we have. everyone is in good spirits to celebrate snacks have been prepared cake croquettes and noodles served in cardboard cartons that's the custom here.
everyone gets one box. we. don't know there are still about two thousand households in cuba in which people gather to pray and celebrate mass to hold up his and and funerals the full bowls not of course it's not the same as doing these things in a house in which other people live and cramming a large religious gathering into a living room. those are not the best circumstances as a church would be the appropriate place for such ceremonies thus a little soon as a sign you might get i think but also our dream is to have new churches but it's a slow process on all me from their economic problems and problems in the areas themselves. to us and when i get out of here i think it would be a great joy and a blessing to have a church in the same. it's going to take some time nobody can say how long so in
the meantime the provisional structures have to suffice today carolina is being baptized here the family lives next door when our mother said all the salad and i decided to baptize a daughter so that she nuns and he owned to carry guns in her home like i am right that we would like our area to be more quiet especially the older children a much quieter here in. the method of getting. i don't mean nothing there'll still be her body. until the your. heels are full. not a little more a out of the way proud that we belong to this parish and they went on with us and we thank god every day of that we can be here with the other church members you know not only the final final. word on the human part of the following we always attend the breakfasts. and so selfish other than most of them say they spent isn't
is something very special for us we get out. there were times when catholics in cuba were scared of being identified. they were afraid of discrimination. so they travel to other parishes to avoid being recognized. that's different now. this state has even supported the building project. another site inspection with deacon manuel. and. you'll be. but i do think circumstances have changed definitely when compared to twenty years ago things work better now. oh my oh there's a closer personal relation between us and our governmental supervision in the if you know so there aren't any big problems anymore. he has are doing right on the
to account for the conflict zone. conflict zone with tim sebastian on the g.w. . this is g.w. news live from berlin and over time breakthrough in the fight against global warming . a i. that was a reaction as a marathon talks in poland and with the rulebook for cutting greenhouse gas emissions and helping foreign nations deal with the changing climate but many attendees say the deal just doesn't go far enough also coming up spiritual
independent ukraine careful fills a centuries old dream of creating a united orthodox church independent from russia moscow is not amused. and a film about love during the cold war era wins big of european film awards in spain we'll have a look at the top prizes of the night. i'm carl aspen thanks for joining us talks on climate change and poland finally produced an agreement late last night nearly two hundred countries unanimously adopted a rulebook allowing the paris climate pacts of become operational by two thousand and twenty the chairman of the conference called it a historic moment but critics say the agreement doesn't go far enough. it is so the side. there was visible relief when two weeks of intense
negotiations finally came to an end in cattle beacher delegates from almost two hundred countries had to overcome major divisions in their quest to reduce global warming while protecting the economies of rich and poor countries alike who are very satisfied as you may have heard are. really happy they are celebrating a very good successful outcome. that outcome a common set of rules to implement a previously agreed goal limiting global temperature rises to below two degrees celcius rules that govern the nuts and bolts of how countries reduce carbon emissions how they're monitored and how to help poorer nations with funding but critics say the agreement is deeply florida here in part because there'll be no sanctions against states that are making progress the rule book relies on peer pressure alone to keep everyone on track the outcomes of these negotiations are far
from an issue free of. another point of tension the refusal of the u.s. russia saudi arabia and kuwait to endorse a major u.n. study which found that the goal that everyone's working towards isn't actually enough to get climate change under control scientists warn that a strict cap of one point five degrees and a commitment to shift away from fossil fuels are needed to avert disaster i think certainly the fossil fuel countries here will slow things down i think that the united states certainly did not help on the issue of having science move forward but there was just an overall lack of leadership from the european union as well on getting ambition out of a very bad. a sentiment echoed by fifteen year old activist greater tune back who had some harsh words for policymakers. you are not mature enough to tell it like it is even that burden you leave to us children.
but i don't care about being popular i care about climate justice and the living planets. our civilization is being sacrificed for the opportunity of a very small number of people to continue making enormous amounts of money our biosphere is being sacrificed so that rich people in countries like mine can live in luxury. it is the suffering of the many pay for the luxuries of the few. climate activists both young and old feel leaders have once again done too little too late. w.'s louise osborne was at climate talks in a beats and she joins me now here in studio first can you just give us
a reason to be optimistic about this deal well i think everybody is relieved to have got to this point there was some talk earlier in the conference that perhaps they weren't going to finalize the rulebook at all because of the conflicts that they were facing in the delegation rooms but now that they're and despite the populism despite the difficulties that the u.s. brazil threatening to pull out of the agreement they have something where they can finally move forward and start to take action with regard to the paris agreement ok so we do have an agreement now the reality check and what's missing here what did cop twenty four where did it come up short well i think one of the biggest problems is that the parse agreement itself doesn't go far enough i mean it's asking well if they were limited to a two degree rise countries have actually put in place promises that would only meet a three or four degree rise and after the i.p.c.c. study we're looking at actually needing to limit it to one point five degrees so
that it doesn't become too much of a well it will still have an impact but not too much of an impact and what we really need to see is increased ambitions from the industrialized countries particularly i mean delegates from the pacific islands are really scared that you know they don't have the. these things in place so that they can that they can know that their homes are going to be safe so how about those developed countries i mean especially those countries we heard the criticism there why aren't they doing what's needed here well i mean if you look at countries like the u.s. and russia. their oil interests economic interests and that's also what's happening in the e.u. i mean there are still countries that are heavily reliant on fossil fuels like coal for their energy output and. they are also having to deal with the social impact of having to give up fossil fuels so that means like you know making sure that workers will get a deal if they're moving out of the fossil fuel industry making sure that they have
a good quality of life and all of the businesses that are also rely on what comes next now when we have this rule book and place here what needs to happen sue avoid the worst effects of climate change going forward well i mean like i said we definitely need to see countries pulling up their own patients so that they cut their carbon emissions as quickly as possible and as much as possible otherwise we're just going to see climate change taking an even bigger impact and you know the impacts that we've seen around the world with wildfires and with the typhoons in the philippines and things like that those are only just going to get not an easy task but there is hope thanks very much for joining us the results borne i thanks. orthodox priests in ukraine have established an independent national church the move has angered the russian orthodox church which controlled ukrainian branch for over three hundred years ukraine's president petro
poroshenko was hailed the decision saying it was a further declaration of independence from russia relations between the two countries collapsed after moscow's annexation of crimea twenty four teen says russian backed churches on its soil are kremlin tool to spread propaganda. correspondent nick connelly is standing by in kiev hey nick relations between kiev and moscow have been bad to say the least for a while now will you crane's new national church make things even worse. seems like they couldn't get much worse given the standoff we're in with russia here since well basically for years but based on the furious reaction we've had from moscow it does seem there is further to fall real extraordinary emotional statements coming from moscow since this happened yesterday calling all of these meetings illegitimate and calling on ukraine to kind of throw it all in something
that's unlikely to happen i think the really important thing to look for here is what will be the approach to the moscow patriarchate so to the russian orthodox church as linked to moscow off to after yesterday's meeting will they lose church as will the ukrainian state promote efforts to get people to join the new ukrainian church there i think we could definitely see the russian government coming under some could have internal pressure to react tell me about the politics behind this move president poroshenko he'll be facing a difficult reelection in march russia called this a campaign ploy was this mainly or shango who pushed for the creation of this new church. well he definitely has invested an awful lot of diplomatic capital and political capital in these efforts and it was striking to see him on the stage just a with the bishops something you don't really expect to see in twenty first century europe having said that the this is a movement these independent ukrainian churches have been in existence since the
early ninety's since ukraine gained independence from the soviet union and given the situation that ukraine finds itself with this defacto situation of war with russia it seemed there was only a matter of time this is never to belittle about greater moves to move away from the russian church and also to decrease the influence of the moscow patriarchy which is the biggest single orthodox nomination in ukraine at the moment given its very close links to the kremlin how are the people of ukraine reacting to this new independent charge i think there's a lot of uncertainty for now how this is going to play out if this is just a bit of abstract arcane church diplomacy or if this will actually mean changes on the ground i think we'll know more after christmas that's the sixth of january when president poroshenko and then you head of the crane church go to constantinople to istanbul to get the official go ahead for the new church from the patriarch there whether we see individual churches that have been previously controlled by moscow
going to this new joining this new church conflicts there between maybe the priests and the corporations on the other hand that could be the rails and crunch point i think beyond they believe is that everyday people who are particular religious i think this is just a further step towards cutting ties with russia we've seen travel links reduced their no direct flights the restrictions on russian citizens visiting ukraine so for many this did have a certain inevitability about w.'s nick connelly in kiev thank you very much. now to some of the other stories making news around the world georgia has inaugurated its first female president french born shiloh. really was elected after winning nearly sixty percent in a runoff vote that the opposition has said it won't recognize international observers say the election was well managed to leave previously served as foreign minister. the longest president has reinstated run neal of the chroma single as prime minister seven weeks after sacking him from the post days earlier the
country's supreme court ruled his ousting was unconstitutional it's hoped the move will end the major political crisis that has engulfed the country is not stopped over. the father of a seven year old guatemalan migrant who died after being detained by u.s. border agents is calling for an independent investigation officials say there was no sign that jacqueline colum mccann had any medical problems until hours after she was detained u.s. customs service reported that she died of dehydration and exhaustion. the european film academy has crowned its favorite films and performances from twenty eighteen and a historical romance titled cold war by polish born director pawel pawlikowski earned the most honors the winners were chosen by more than three and a half thousand members of the film academy here's a look at who took the top prize at the ceremony in spain. stock crossed lovers in wall ravaged. pawel
pawlikowski is monogrammed period romance cold war was the big winner at the thirty first european film awards. excuse best actress for her portrayal of polish village go soon. called one that's at the top prize for best film as well as best i did. was cry and best director and screenwriter though he was reluctant to take too much credit. a few very. bitter going in poster here except things who would because they were both hundred ninety five thurston's of the script and the scene you so there was more is one of the few scenes where the writing that she could responded to was shocked so. a change in tone for best actor.
remember his quiet life. and when he gets swept up in the violent schemes of a local criminal law. and finally a standing ovation for cost us the greek french director connected an honorary award for his career as a master of the connecticut for a. stunning distinct from the huge budgets and glitz of hollywood the award show that european cinema can hold it said. they're watching news still to come the bundesliga shown with my colleague pablo foley right after a short break find out if there was a good stretch their lead at the top of the table and catch all four goals and. demolition of the defending german champs are enjoying a resurgence after a bumpy start to the scenes.
w. . bush . this is news live from berlin and over time breakthrough in the fight against global warming. was. down was the reaction has marathon talks in poland to end with a blue book for cutting greenhouse gas emissions and helping or nations deal with the changing climate many attendees say the deal just doesn't go far enough also coming up in a church service in the netherlands started more than fifty days ago and it could keep going for many more will tell you what's behind this prayer
a marathon. and by munich just couldn't stop scoring crushing and over four nil and who knows legal action the defending german chancellor enjoying a resurgence after a bumpy start to the seas. a little. i'm calling assman thanks for joining us talks on climate change in poland finally produced an agreement late last night nearly two hundred countries unanimously adopted a rulebook allowing the paris climate act to become operational by two thousand and twenty the chairman of the conference call that a historic moment but critics say the agreement just doesn't go far enough. it is so decided. there was this little relief twenty weeks of intense negotiations finally came to an end in captivity. delegates from almost two
hundred countries had to overcome major divisions in their quest to reduce global warming while protecting the economies of rich and poor countries alike we are very satisfied as you may have heard are. really happy they are celebrating a very good success for. that outcome a common set of rules to implement a previously agreed goal limiting global temperature rises to below two degrees celcius rules that govern the nuts and bolts of how countries reduce carbon emissions how they monitored and how to help poorer nations with funding but critics say the agreement is deeply florida here in part because there'll be no sanctions against states that honor making progress the rule book relies on p. pressure alone to keep everyone on track the outcomes of these negotiations are far from ambitious usually of. another point of tension the refusal of the u.s.
russia saudi arabia and kuwait to endorse a major u.n. study which found that the goal that everyone's working towards isn't actually enough to get climate change under control scientists warn that a strict cap of one point five degrees and a commitment to shift away from fossil fuels are needed to disaster i think certainly the fossil fuel countries here slow things down i think that the united states certainly did not help on the issue of having science move forward but there was just an overall lack of leadership from the european union as well on getting admission out of a very bad. a sentiment echoed by fifteen year old activist greater toolbag who had some harsh words for policymakers you are not mature enough to tell it like it is even that burden you leave to us children. but i don't care about being
popular. i care about climate justice and the living planets. our civilization is being sacrificed for the opportunity of a very small number of people to continue making enormous amounts of money our biosphere is being secor feist's so that rich people in countries like mine can live in luxury. it is the sufferings of the many which pay for the luxuries of the few. climate activists both young and old feel world leaders have once again done to little i. was. orthodox priests in ukraine have established an independent national church the move has angered the russian orthodox church which controlled the ukrainian branch for over three hundred years ukraine's president petro poroshenko hailed the
decision saying it was a further declaration of independence from russia relations between the two countries collapsed after moscow's and say sion of the main and twenty four team gives as russian back to churches on its soil. to spread and. earlier i spoke to correspondent nick connelly in kiev i asked him if ukraine's new national church would make relations between kiev and moscow even worse seems like they couldn't get much worse given the standoff we're in with russia here since well basically for years but based on the furious reaction we've had from moscow it does seem there is further to fall real extraordinary emotional statements coming from moscow since this happened yesterday calling all of these meetings illegitimate and calling on ukraine to kind of throw it all in something that's unlikely to happen i think the really important thing to look for here is what will be the approach to the moscow patriarchate so to the russian orthodox church as linked to moscow off to after yesterday's meeting will they lose church as will the
ukrainian state promote efforts to get people to join the new ukrainian church there i think we could definitely see the russian government coming under some could have internal pressure to react tell me about the politics behind this move president poroshenko he'll be facing a difficult reelection march russia called this a campaign ploy was this mainly or shango who pushed for the creation of this new church. well he definitely has invested an awful lot of diplomatic capital and political capital in these efforts and it was striking to see him on the stage just a with the bishops something you don't really expect to see in twenty first century europe having said that the this is a movement these independent ukrainian churches have been in existence since the early ninety's since ukraine gained independence from the soviet union and given the situation that ukraine finds itself with this defacto situation of war with russia it seems that was only a matter of time is that inevitability about greater moves to move away from the
russian church and also to decrease the influence of the moscow patriarchy which is the biggest single orthodox nomination in ukraine at the moment given its very close links to the kremlin how are the people of ukraine reacting to this new independent church i think there's a lot of uncertainty for now how this is going to play out if this is just a bit of abstract arcane church diplomacy or if this will actually mean changes on the ground i think we'll know more after orthodox christmas that's the sixth of january when president poroshenko and then you head of the ukrainian church go to constantinople to istanbul to get the official go ahead for the new church from the patriarch there whether we see individual churches that have been previously controlled by moscow going to this new joining this new church conflicts there between may be the priests and the corporations on the other hand that could be the rails and crunch point i think beyond they believe is that everyday people who are particular religious i think this is just
a further step towards cutting ties with russia we've seen traveling reduce their no direct flights the restrictions on russian citizens visiting ukraine so for many this did have a certain inevitability about. usenet connelly in kiev thank you very much. now to some of the other stories making news around the world in hungary thousands have marched in budapest to protest a new labor law and what they see as a slide toward a fairer tarion rule in the country it's the fourth demonstration in a week unions and opposition parties have dubbed the new labor rules a slave law. more than forty people are injured after an explosion at a restaurant in the japanese cities of the cause of the blast is under investigation most of the injuries were minor though one person is said to be in serious condition. georgia has and its first female president french born zora visually was elected after winning nearly sixty percent in the runoff vote that the opposition has said it won't recognize international observers say
the election was well managed service really previously served as foreign minister . the polish romantic drama cold war has scooped the big prizes at the european film awards director pawel pawlikowski accepted the awards for best film best director and best screenplay for his black and white movie ceremony was held in the spanish city of severe. because. members of a small congregation in the netherlands have been keeping a church service going for more than fifty days now they want to protect the local immigrant family from being deported and dutch law says arrest can't be made during a religious service the armenian family of five has lived in the community for nine years and their congregation doesn't want to see them go. this church service at the bethel church in the hague has been going for weeks on end and it's not over yet the congregation hopes that prayer will protect an armenian family that's been
living in the netherlands for nine years but have been told that application for asylum has been rejected it was in time as young i want to support the family and send a signal to the government that it just cannot be possible that people who have lived here for so long can simply be deported. that as i said. only the children are willing to appear in front of the cameras the three siblings have spent most of their lives in the netherlands because of that a political compromise could be made to keep the family in the country. home said they're going and i hope we can continue to live in the netherlands it would mean so much to us that after however a political compromise of this nature is almost always rejected a few it's who that means there are some very difficult cases where children who've been here for a long time who've grown up here of being deported to
a country they simply don't know. the transfer of the candle signifies that the service is now being led by someone else there is no church sanctuary law in the netherlands but there is a legal loophole that offers the family a temporary reprieve according to dutch law as long as a church service is going on no one can be arrested without need to limit of this is not just whether we are a democratic constitutional state rather it's about emotion could call it and see. the church members say they're not testing the power of the state for them it's all about compassion. and it is neat-o. duck that many believe that we will stop once we have won we can't win it but our country can win if we handle the issue of human rights in a different way. from a terrorist if i mention thank. everyone here hopes that the government will compromise on the issue and avoid deporting the family of five.
home around forty same sex couples have staged a mass wedding in the brazilian city of south paolo the participants tie the knot fearing that brazil's new hard line president in lancashire bulls noro could order a crackdown on gay weddings next year one newlywed husband called it an act of resistance. as said he would not be able to love a homosexuals. byron munich seemed overcovered from their early season leopard back to back but his legal wins helping them move up the table but with a sizeable gap still separating them from dortmund they needed a win over one. eye to. their chopper sit ends of the table but both of these coaches have been feeling the pressure of late perhaps fines the cocos actually offering andre brighton rises some advice if he was the first thing he would have said don't concede early sixty two seconds go on
that is how the window was thomas mueller with the acrobatic assist on his three hundred sprinters leaguer appearance yahshua came a she provides a fair share of the system self this time scoresheet i. another piece of wisdom kerry branch could have imparted don't leave defenders amount from the edge of the area was it alabama kinds of his it better if he tried some way to score your first but misleading go this season was commish rated in a corner and fell a fullback alibre did the rest in style. i. hate that she's meant to knock at the break you didn't chen ve had a business shot as he faced a pirate ship shots sadly for him one way traffic continued after the break says nab responses are quote rewarded with a goal leaving the road and not knowing whether he was coming or going.
such was the visitors domination they could even afford to show bites with the scales before bar and go back to scoring an hour in robert never not once mitch sounds on the goal fast i could and should have had a second right at the end but he plays white by this point spine which trying to move the ball and ending with an incredible statues shot some go club as long as it was a bit unfair it was like a lamborghini against a tub until. it was full of fuel today i feel like crap to john. so after the pre-match advice perhaps some whispers of encouragement at the end kind of and bryson rice a needle the support they can get. you're watching news live from berlin i'll be back at the top of the hour with more of the latest news from around the world and don't forget you can always find the latest
everything is online and interactive benjamin tiffany with de gemer you. tube. this is you know reviews life for berlin clashes martin attempted dialogue between spain and catalonia protesters in barcelona scuffle with police that says things cabinet meetings in the city in an effort to reduce tensions with the region's independence movement also coming up calling it quits u.s. defense secretary jim maddest resigns of protest over trump's for broke troops pull
out from syria it's letter of resignation a stunning rebuke to the president's policies and treatment of our lives and in the world just like that dortmund's and glove box because the last match take the head of the christmas break. and dirt bags are all ready it best to emerge and deep down some supporters joined in a single line at the stadium or look ahead to tonight's top at the top clash. with morning. yeah but. don't let her walk a welcome to the show everyone standish police have arrested at least eleven protesters during clashes in barcelona spanish media is reporting dozens of people have been injured in the violence the clashes broke out at a demonstration. organized by radical separatist groups were protesting
a meeting of the spanish cabinet being held in the regional capital demonstrators have been trying to block word since early this morning but the cabinet meeting chaired by prime minister pether sanchez went ahead anyway and agreed new infrastructure spending for the region. all right well joining me now from the news desk is pablo foley ileus to talk about this developing story good to see you pablo new protests in this regional capital barcelona violent clashes with police as well unfolding on the streets there what more can you tell us about that what if you are you're absolutely right there's been also many roads have been blocked across the region it was organized by this grassroots movement the c.d.r. so we saw twenty roadblocks in and around the car. today causing of course a lot of disruption for people let's not forget this is friday just before christmas a lot of people traveling from spain for
a friend who's actually coming from madrid to trains from madrid intercut then you have been at delayed as well so does been a lot of disruption on the streets as well it's caused a lot of concern for people because once again we're seeing violent protests as we've seen at least eleven people have been arrested over twenty police officers have also been injured that's according to the regional police demotions this weather and of course this comes at a time when we've seen a sort of we'll say and nearing or a change of relations between madrid and barcelona so it's a supposed quite shocking for people to see that there remains this sort of level of tension in catalonia and in barcelona and. a solution really does need to be found so it's quite telling i mean it's come from what you're reporting i just want to get this clear that they feel provoked by having this meeting held in barcelona you're absolutely right i mean let. not forget today's the twenty first of december
it's exactly one year since regional elections were called by the previous prime minister of spain. hope you're not lost yet this was following of course the independence referendum which took place a few months before so it's sort of a lot of people in qatar don't yet know i'll give you a little bit of background as to why the cabinet meeting was held there better sanchez who of course is in charge of a minority government in spain has decided to bring in the central government closer to the people this is what he's saying they held a cabinet meeting and on that was the another region and i decided to hold it in barcelona the pro independence movement has seen this as a provocation considering the day that's in it and also the fact that nine of the politicians remain in prison and they're also calling for you know an independence referendum to issues which still remain unresolved for the pro independence and so it was kind of a sensitive choice i know that they held it in a bit of a c.e.o. but they could have been more careful there do you expect him to twenty seconds
that we have left do you expect madrid now to engage in dialogue with these catalan separatist because it has to be resolved sooner or later well there's definitely been a nearing of relations and there's a lot of symbolism involved in this but better sanchez has been criticized on all sides i mean it's definitely a different approach from just what we saw with madea not wholly but once again to two key issues to cotland independence movement want a referendum something that has been completely they've said completely no to that in madrid and also let's not forget that there are politicians who still remain in prison right in the lead of course still and of course assad is in. belgium thank you so very much publicly is for you know for greatly appreciate it. and next a shock resignation in the u.s. that is reverberating across the world u.s. defense secretary jim matheson has quit in protest over president trump's decision to redress all u.s. troops from syria the four star marine general will leave in february after holding
the job since trump took office reports indicate that mattis decided to go after a last ditch attempt to talk the president around failed. u.s. secretary of defense james mattis has widely been viewed as a stabilizing force both within the unpredictable us government as well as internationally the four star marine general has been defense secretary since president donald trump took office but now he's on his way out the door the two reportedly clashed on several major policy issues trump surprise announcement to withdraw troops from syria appears to have taken their differences one step too far in his resignation letter mattis stressed the importance of the us maintaining strong partnerships my views on treating allies with respect and also being clear eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. that is also points to
opposing policy views but the white house press secretary refutes the idea that the two had a strained relationship. secretary mabus has served the president and with the president for two years they have a good relationship i've seen up close and personal on a number of occasions and again they agree to disagree at times but that doesn't mean you can't have a good relationship with somebody he was laying out the reasons that he was stepping down from his post and beyond that i think it's absurd to try to question a fact when they work together to yes their. house democratic leader nancy pelosi said the departure of mattis is a further blow to the stability of u.s. partnerships and also sends the wrong signal to the nation's military. and shaken by the resignation of general mattis what it means to our country for the message it sends to. our troops look. i thought leader
and now he is going to be leaving the second one is very serious for our country. and it appears trump's decision to reduce u.s. military involvement goes beyond syria now u.s. officials say trump is also considering limiting the u.s. presence in afghanistan cutting troops by half u.s. forces deployed to afghanistan after the september eleventh attacks in two thousand and one. since then twenty four hundred u.s. soldiers have died fighting the taliban in america's longest war. the timeline for either troop withdrawal is unclear some officials say a syrian pullout could be completed within sixty to one hundred days but first president trump needs to appoint a new secretary of defense. in his letter outgoing defense secretary mattis told
the president quote you have the right to have a secretary of defense whose views are aligned with yours. and pakistan christians are increasingly the target of deadly attacks partially motivated by a harsh interpretation of blasphemy laws in this islamic republic the most high profile case involves us yeah the roman catholic woman recently acquitted of blasphemy with christmas now approaching we decided to take a look at what life is like for pakistan's christians you have used is a bad american that some of them in islam a lot christmas is a favorite time of year for these christian family in islam about the cougars appreciate being together especially as their lives were completely turned upside down seven years ago the shot of cool kid was falsely accused of blasphemy jailed and acquitted five months later in that time he lost his job and home but he's
grateful he didn't lose his life to live a free man now shot his detention continues to haunt him. we always live in fear because of this we feel insecure. i'm numb as always when we talk about your future i think what kind of future can we have it all explained the law and policies here need to be implemented properly. blasphemy is an extremely dangerous and emotive subject in pakistan and baby's name will forever be associated with it the catholic laborer spent eight years on death row after being accused of insulting islam she was recently acquitted of all charges which sponsored by led protests across the country some hardliners called flossy and the judges involved in the ruling to be hanged. no one convicted of blasphemy has ever be legally bought the star but there are plenty of examples of people in have been killed by lynch mobs just after being accused of it and its religious minorities it
was disproportionately affected by the controversial laws. pakistan's christians make up around two percent of the population and have been the target of escalating attacks in recent he is human rights groups claim accusations of blasphemy to seen as an easy way to settle disputes as a hard to disprove but the acquittal of ossie bibi also provides a ray of hope for this past. the fact that an innocent woman can be sentenced to death has made us it will set a bad precedent to where they can arrest anyone and prosecute them so when we heard that he was finally acquitted you cannot behave how happy we were we were the two churches and offer prayers thanks to god. we were into fearful when we were young but we do have some fears now for example
if there are gatherings we don't go outdoors when children go to church and they see armed guards they do ask why is there so much security security. attacks will continue to happen here no matter what will remain united under the name of jesus. for many christians the facts that he has been freed is a christmas miracle only could not. and even though she remains in hiding in the festive period apply provide some seasonal change and hobson is in for what the future holds. for us now the cigar reaches a crucial point tonight when league leaders force your department to host second placed. it takes also last match say before the mid-season break last for the. first time this term mental dearth on tuesday well what. that means affectively the gap between the two sides has been reduced from nine to just six
points now cut the gap to three with a win endorsement with plenty to play for fans and teams are ready for a festive football treat. dortmund coach father doesn't look too bothered by their first league a loss of the season but suddenly the title race is back on and the swiss can have no time for sentiment against his former side to gladbach. says. yeah. it is a bit special i suppose nothing more than that to say i left a club out three years ago i am a dortmund man now but sure it is a bit strange it on they're having a very good season. and they're a very dangerous club won three nil and byron munich that says everything
that's my dallas. dortmund without three injured defenders against the side who have the second best goals tally behind the hosts fabio ones his players fully concentrated on glovebox threat rather than the festive season all the mnemonics break before their next game. are very well organized they're very compact sometimes they are defending and suddenly the ball goes forward very very very quickly for gladbach meanwhile can move just three points behind dortmund with a victory but they also have injury concerns. do that and we will go there with eighteen guys but we are maybe without seven players but it doesn't matter who starts dortmund our problems too will probably last goldman tell their christmas sing song this week that team will top the table at the mid-season break whatever happens tonight but fans want them to hit the high notes once again.