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obstruction here. >> wow. jessica schneider, fascinating. i appreciate it. thank you now, to cnn's kaitlan collins at the white house for more on what the president said to her about those who defy the january 6th committee's subpoenas. so what exactly did the president say? >> well, it's notable, anderson, because the white house, so far, has declined to really weigh in on this. saying it's up to the justice department how they are going to proceed with this because we do know when that select committee gets back to washington next week, they are expected to vote on these criminal contempt charges for steve bannon after he said he was going to defy their subpoenas. so we asked the president tonight, what is his response to this? what does he think of people who are defying these subpoenas? and should the justice department prosecute them? and this is what he told us. >> i hope that the committee goes after them, and holds them accountable criminally. >> should they be prosecuted by the justice department? >> i do, yes. >> now, what's notable about that is, of course, is not just the president weighing in. what he thinks the repercussions should be for people like steve bannon who are defying these subpoenas and others who may do so as well. but also, the white house says they operate independently from the justice department. so a justice department spokesperson has responded to the president's comments to me tonight and they said the department of justice will make its own independent decision and all prosecutions based solely on the facts and the law.

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prefer not to cooperate have engaged with the committee. and then, we've got those like steve bannon who are taking their lead from donald trump, and think that they are just above the law. and they're the only citizens of the united states who don't have to respond to a subpoena from a court or from the u.s. congress. and so, that's why we are going to be meeting on tuesday evening. and there will be, i predict, a criminal referral. we're going to try to charge these people with criminal contempt. that's a crime when steve bannon did not show up when he was told to show up with documents and to testify before the u.s. congress. >> there are a lot of people who have weighed in saying that they think, you know, this could -- bannon could -- it can go out of the courts. it can drag on for -- for years. longer than this committee will -- will be in session. do you agree with that? or do you believe that this will -- could move fast? >> no, if the department of justice acts like a real department of justice, and i think they will as, you know,

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kaitlan collins that those who refuse subpoenas from the january 6th committee should be prosecuted by the department of justice. and as we noted, the committee will take their first steps next week on criminal contempt charges against steve bannon for refusing to comply with his subpoena. he seemingly had a heavy hand on that day, and leading up to it. you may have thought after he was fired from his white house job, that he moved on. well, the reality is very different. here is cnn's tom tomorrow. foreman. >> reporter: he is not ready to speak to congress about the violence of january 6th. but steve bannon is talking plenty on his daily podcast, whipping his followers into a frenzy. >> elections have consequences. stolen elections have catastrophic consequences and that is what he we are seeing in this country rye not and we need your blood to boil. we need to be in a situation you are not going to back down. okay? >> reporter: he's done it all along. he appeared to confirm reports that just days before the insurrection, he was on the phone with donald trump discussing how to kill the biden presidency in the crib.

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charges for steve bannon after he said he was going to defy their subpoenas. so we asked the president tonight, what is his response to this? what does he think of people who are defying these subpoenas? and should the justice department prosecute them? and this is what he told us. >> i hope that the committee goes after them, and holds them accountable criminally. >> should they be prosecuted by the justice department? >> i do, yes. >> now, what's notable about that is, of course, is not just the president weighing in. what he thinks the repercussions should be for people like steve bannon who are defying these subpoenas and others who may do so as well. but also, the white house says they operate independently from the justice department. so a justice department spokesperson has responded to the president's comments to me tonight and they said the department of justice will make its own independent decision and all prosecutions based solely on the facts and the law. period, full stop. so, asserting that they will make their own decisions over what's going to happen. once we do see the house vote next week because, of course, anderson, after that, it goes to

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period, full stop. so, asserting that they will make their own decisions over what's going to happen. once we do see the house vote next week because, of course, anderson, after that, it goes to the justice department. but i think just looking back and taking a step back at what the president said tonight, it speaks to the level of the uniqueness with which he is viewing the situation. because, of course, remember, he also made the decision in part with white house counsel to not assert executive privilege over those documents that his predecessor wanted shielded from this committee. that is a fight that's likely to play out over the next several weeks and i just think it speaks to the level of involvement that the president has here. and what he thinks is the urgency when it comes to this january-6th investigation. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. joining us right now, democratic congressman jamie raskin. a member of the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack. he also served as lead manager in the second impeachment trial of the former president. congressman raskin, appreciate you being with us. i am wondering, first of all, your reaction to president biden weighing in on this. obviously, the justice

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committee should be prosecuted by the department of justice. we're also getting a new look at the chaos and terror of that day. a new documentary is called if four hours at the capitol" and it shows minute by minute what it was like for lawmakers and staffers inside the building and what the law enforcement officers were up against. >> they were throwing punches, hitting officers with poles and pieces of scaffolding that they had taken off the inaugural stage. there was hammers. i remember at one point a gun actually fell out of one of the individuals in the crowd. of course i didn't have anywhere to put it. i had a long trench coat. the entire day of fighting, i had that person's personal gun inside my trench coat the entire day. i think if we had more weapons, there would have been a large loss of life, maybe on both sides.

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the justice department. but i think just looking back and taking a step back at what the president said tonight, it speaks to the level of the uniqueness with which he is viewing the situation. because, of course, remember, he also made the decision in part with white house counsel to not assert executive privilege over those documents that his predecessor wanted shielded from this committee. that is a fight that's likely to play out over the next several weeks and i just think it speaks to the level of involvement that the president has here. and what he thinks is the urgency when it comes to this january-6th investigation. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. joining us right now, democratic congressman jamie raskin. a member of the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack. he also served as lead manager in the second impeachment trial of the former president. congressman raskin, appreciate you being with us. i am wondering, first of all, your reaction to president biden weighing in on this. obviously, the justice department is saying it's going to quote make its own independent decisions as they should on any prosecutions. >> look. the first thing he said was that the committee should aggressively enforce our right to get people's testimony and to

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