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有甫先生我们继续来谈，因为当时做第一期节目的时候，您提到大禹治水的时候，到了南海，然后他见到一只神鸟，他模仿这只神鸟的步伐来走，就是禹步，这是当时您讲的一点。另外一点，您说大禹治水的时候，《洛书》也出现了。那么后来大禹就用这个《洛书》中他领悟的方式，来治理天下，比如说治水也是这样的。所以今天我们就从大禹治水说起。

Monk use this purely for human benefit for medical purposes we see no reason why. but despite the assurances it seems the debate around possible human cloning is once again on the agenda lots of questions and see if we can get some answers janai here at the big table with me to my right derrick williams our g.w. science editor and to his right a familiar face here martin jack our religious affairs and ethics correspondent gentleman good to have you here at the big table let me start with you der...