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friend. covered by medicare and most major insurers it's wednesday, october 23rd. the picture coming out is based -- is based on the reporting we've seen. i would say is not a good one. although, we wouldn't jump to quote any hard and fast conclusions. that's what the senate majority with republican senator john thun conceded to reporters today about the explosive testimony from the top diplomat in ukraine, bill taylor. at this hour, house investigators were supposed to be in a closed deposition with a career pentagon official, laura cooper. but because of a combative move from some house republicans, cooper's testimony is delayed. here's what has happened at congress. five hours ago, gop congressman matt gates, who is seen as a trump ally and not a member of any of the committees leading the inquiry into donald trump, the impeachment inquiry, he led roughly two dozen other gop non-committee members for a sitin in what is called the skif where witnesses have been privately disposed.
stands for sensitive compartmentive information facility. it's a secure room where sensitive information can be viewed and discussed to prevent outside surveillance or spying. we got breaking news after a five and a half hour delay, it's similar to the white house situation room. now, the rules here are that laura cooper's deposition is only members of the three committees leading the inquiry finally under way. can be in the room and no phones remember, she is the top are allowed. pentagon official overseeing now, despite the delay, damaging united states policy regarding details in the ukraine scandal are emerging this afternoon. ukraine. all surrounding the now-familiar joining me from capitol hill as i promised, we're bringing him phrase quid pro quo. back. garrett haake. "the new york times" and the this is the testimony that was washington post now reporting supposed to start much earlier today. it was held back by a protest, a tho high sit in of sorts by very level ukrainian officials by the first week in august. pro-trump republican members of they were told and advised to reach out to acting white house congress. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, ali. chief of staff mick mulvaney to and as best we can tell, there was no serious effort to restart address it. and that gets us up to speed. that protest after the committee broke for vote. but let's get a little more detail on what's going on from so now, laura cooper will begin what could be a very long capitol hill. evening of testimony for her. msnbc's garrett haake joins us. remember, democrats wanted to garrett, has laura cooper's get her in front of this testimony. it's been put on hold? is it just not happening? committee to talk about the last link in the chain here. the actual military aid that was not provided to ukraine and why, >> reporter: democrats in
particular are trying to make at least at the defense department, they believed it was not. sure this gets done today. she is someone who is important the whole chamber just took a just by being here because she's break for votes. i do not know whether they have the first witness from the started up the deposition again. department of defense to a lot of times when folks go in, actually show up here. they don't come back out. another break in the firewall this is designed to be an the administration has tried to information blackhole and it's put up around folks in the other serving its purpose pretty well right now. but i know there is desire by agencies and back at the white both the democrats and frankly house from testifying. the republicans on the relevant how long will she be here? a lot of these depositions have committees to get this gone as long as nine hours. deposition done in short order. now, my informed speculation is hopefully, today. that most of these members of democrats want cooper to close the loop for them. congress who are eligible to be she is the first defense in this room will not want to department official to show up stick around until midnight and she is someone who they hope tonight. so perhaps you'll see the can provide information about professional staff ask the the military aid that was not majority of questions and then when it gets time for members to provided to ukraine and why she talk, there will be a more was told that was being done. so a very important witness. lightly-attended deposition and if democrats can get her in today for ms. cooper or tonight for ms. cooper than we might have had otherwise. >> can it continue if they're today, by any way, they will do not finished with what she has so. >> at some point, though, this to do? can they continue to tomorrow? or another day? can only be a delay tactic. it can't be a completely stop her from testifying tactic. >> reporter: i suppose they could, absolutely. remember, they are already working against the clock here. >> reporter: you have to think. democrats are trying to move this inquiry along as quickly as
i asked about this, one of the they can. it's part of the reason they're republicans who was in that having another witness come in protest effort earlier whether on saturday morning. they see this as an everyday they will not be taking depositions tomorrow or friday. thing. the house is not really doing he said, look, we want to continue to try to make our much of anything over those two point about the process every day but didn't commit to this days. they're essentially breaking for being an ongoing protest memorial services for elijah movement. and the fact is, democrats could cummings. so they're already working on a move this to another room. packed schedule. i suspect that everyone involved there is a number of other would like to get whatever they things they could do to escalate this further if they wanted to need from ms. cooper done to try to reclaim control of the tonight if that's possible. >> all right. garrett, thanks very much. deposition. we appreciate it. so a stunt for today but it's garrett haake for us on capitol hard to see how this could be hill. president trump claims that continually effective tactic for his phone call with ukrainian republicans. president was focused on and indeed, i think there's probably a drop in the value of fighting corruption in ukraine. a politically if day after day there's some new reporting from after day they're seen as the washington post. refusing to let the inquiry go it finds quote trump forward. >> garrett, thanks very much for administration sought billions your reporting on this. of dollars in cuts to programs garrett haake at capitol hill. that were aimed at fighting we'll of course bring garrett corruption in ukraine and elsewhere. for more on this, i'm joined now haake back as soon as something by washington post congressional develops in that potential testimony. reporter erica. all right. let's take a moment to run erica, thanks very much for being with us. through what made bill taylor's there was not a lot of serious testimony so shocking and the thought about this. when donald trump said he was most pivotal evidence of quid committed to fighting corruption pro quo so far. he testified that by mid-july, in ukraine, we didn't have to
dig too far to realize donald it was clear that the meeting that the ukrainians wanted was trump has not got a record of conditioned on investigations of fighting corruption anywhere. but your reporting indicates biden and 2016 election that, in fact, it's the opposite as far as what the trump interference. administration was focused on. an nsc official said gordon >> right. i think what's significant is sondland, who is u.s. ambassador that regardless of the rhetoric to the european union, told coming from any president or any ukrainians no security administration, their budget assistance would be forthcoming proposal can really be seen as until they committed to the true expression of their investigations. also, sondland told him that the priorities because that's where president wanted a public the money goes. and so instead of putting money statement on investigations. into anti-corruption efforts in sondland told him that there was no quid pro quo but insisted ukraine or elsewhere, it's the that the ukrainian president go opposite. to a microphone to announce that they tried to cut those these investigations are taking programs. and specifically, cutting a place. and sondland said he told program that was targeted to two ukrainians that unless they cleared things up in public, anti-corruption bureaus in there would be a stalemate, ukraine. so, again, running contrary to what the president's claims have been about his focus on that which bill taylor took to mean issue. >> right. that there would not be much so you're speaking my language here that people can say needed military assistance forthcoming to ukraine. whatever they want to say. this direct quote from taylor's but when it comes to the government, the power that they testimony. quote ambassador sondland tried to explain to me that president mostly have is in appropriations and budgeting. trump is a businessman. when a businessman is about to and this is not -- when you look sign a check to someone who owes at the numbers that were given
him something, he said, the to ukraine in 2019 or in 2018 in businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check. green and the numbers requested okay. about to sign a check to someone from the white house, you can see cuts in both cases to that owes him. someone who owes him something. joining me now to make some narcotics control and law sense of this is attorney enforcement and to economic michael conway. support and development. he served as counsel to the >> right. and the argument from the white house judiciary committee during house office of management and its impeachment inquiry of budget, and there is truth to president nixon. michael, democrats who have this, is that this is part of their larger effort to cut heard his testimony have said spending on domestic and that it is -- it draws a direct international programs. line between donald trump and they have routinely sought cuts this idea of quid pro quo with to state department and usaid the military assistance that was programs and they say there was going to the ukraine -- going to no specific attempt to target these anti-corruption efforts or ukraine. this sounds very specific. these programs in ukraine. >> it is very specific. that said, again, if they are so it's very damning. he's actually put the steps committed to anti-corruption efforts, why are they cutting together to show the quid pro these programs instead of quo. and unlike others who have committing more money to them? >> all right. so in addition to your testified, michael cohen, for reporting, we got bill taylor's example, bill taylor tried to testimony from yesterday. the acting ambassador to intervene in the process. ukraine. and i just want to read a he was not complicit in this. he was trying to stop the quid segment, an excerpt from it. pro quo even to the point of he says ambassador sondland, reaching out directly to
talking about gordon sondland secretary of state pompeo. the u.s. ambassador to the so he comes to this with an european union, ambassador sondland said he talked to immense credibility. and i think the other thing garrett talked about closing the president zelensky and told them that although this was not a loop, you know, in a sense, this is a jigsaw puzzle. quid pro quo, if president every witness brings a piece to zelensky did not clear things up it. we get the defense department in public, we would be at a stalemate. piece. perhaps, get the omb piece. i understood a stalemate to mean we're going to have a complete picture to show this was exactly that ukraine would not receive what bill taylor said. the much-needed military assistance. your reporting sort of stands -- a quid pro quo and abuse of it's not the same thing. power. >> for our viewers who remember but it supports the same or have read about watergate, principle that the money that goes to ukraine was contingent -- the military this is a little bit akin to assistance was contingent upon john dean's testimony, right? some sort of support that the or his role in watergate in that he had detailed information. president wanted. and that the actual corruption issue was not really a central part of that conversation. what -- what bill taylor is providing is detailed information about the phone calls, the instructions, and the >> right. the military budget and that message to the ukrainians. package of aid is a separate >> absolutely. issue. and bill taylor has but what ties it to this contemporaneous notes, remember, reporting that we have today is that we talked about fbi the claims from the president direct and the white house that the director comey. reason they were holding up that bill taylor has contemporaneous package of military aid was notes and we have the text because of their concerns about messages which are very damning. corruption in ukraine. the -- i agree with you completely. and, again, their budget
it is like john dean because he has a picture of the misconduct. proposals do not support the but what's different here is claim that they were concerned with funding anti-corruption john dean was a convicted felon efforts in ukraine or addressing and just like michael cohen, that issue. >> erica, thanks for joining us. john dean was criticized on his erica warner is a congressional credibility. taylor cannot be criticized for reporter at the washington post. that. he is a straight arrow. coming up, despite president >> although we have heard trump trying to do everything to criticisms coming out of the disparage the impeachment inquiry, even calling it a white house. the idea that this has been politicized. >> well, it's a ridiculous lynching, doesn't seem to be working as the latest polling criticism because he served shows support for an impeachment under republican, democrat inquiry has reached a new high. plus, from the dark quarters administrations and secretary pompeo specifically invited him. of social media to cable tv to in fact, to come back and take the position. the president's tweets, how so this is not the deep state. fringe ideas are spread. this is a republican appointee you are watching msnbc. are spr. you are watching msnbc in this case. >> let's talk about the -- the rereporting we've got that suggested democrats are going to move toward focusing the impeachment inquiry around the concept of abuse of power, which the former acting attorney general matt whittaker on on fox last night and said abuse of power's not a crime. let's go back to the nixon impeachment hearings. abuse of power, first of all,
it's not relevant whether it's a crime. it's whether or not it's an abuse of power that is contingent to the constitution. >> absolutely. the president takes an oath to uphold the law. and in this case, he's abused his power in multiple ways. in the nixon impeachment, the second article, which was voted on actually with the largest majority was seven republicans joining all the democrats was for abuse of power. and it was an umbrella claim under which was a series of to some extent misajointed activities. president tried to stick the irs on his opponents. he illegally wire tapped journalists and members of the administration. those were part of the abuse of power. but also, was the obstruction of justice. an abuse of power article of impeachment could include any aspect of this ukraine quid pro quo but it also could include other things. the mueller report. emoluments. or other things where the president's frankly used his office for personal gain or political gain, which is the
essence of abuse of power. >> michael, good to talk to you. thank you for being with me. michael conway is former counsel to the house judiciary committee during the nixon impeachment inquiry. the white house is continuing to build its defense against the impeachment inquiry. they are trying to discredit bill taylor whose respected career official saying quote president trump has done nothing wrong. this is a coordinated smear campaign from far left lawmakers and radical unelected bureaucrats waging war on the constitution. there was no quid pro quo. today was just more triple hearsay and selective leaks from the democrats politically motivated closed-door secretive mornings were made for better things hearings end quote. than rheumatoid arthritis or psoriatic arthritis. i can't make sense of that. when considering another treatment, but i know somebody who can. joining me now is nbc news chief ask about xeljanz xr, white house correspondent hallie a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe jackson. hallie, talk to me about that. rheumatoid arthritis or active psoriatic arthritis >> man, you really know how to set me up, ali. i appreciate that. thank you, my friend. for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. here's the deal. this is the line from the it can reduce pain, swelling, president and his
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congressman mo brooks and others who are very much yelling and screaming demanding to be heard. defending the president. sort of decrying the process by which this is happening. again, that is not new. that is something we've heard for weeks. but it is sort of very vigorous. a record high number of very muscular i think today, americans approve of the impeachment inquiry according to last night, and as we head into a new university poll. tomorrow and the rest of the it finds that 55% of american week as well. i got to think the president likes that. voters nationwide approve of the this is what he wants to see. he wants to see his people investigation. that is up from 51% last week. defending him, ali, and that's what he's getting. 43% disapprove and that's down >> however, this becomes a little trickier with people like from 45% last week. bill taylor or laura cooper mary snow polling analyst. who -- >> it does. >> -- not anywhere in the poll joins me now. mary, good to see you again. this is a record in the polling that we've had. political mix. >> they're not. these are career diplomats. >> this is the highest number we've had and, you know, when especially when you talk about you are talking about the gaps, somebody like bill taylor, right? he was the ambassador to ukraine too, among those who approve and so he actually held this disapprove, that gap is position years ago. widening. it doubled since last week. he knows this region. he knows this area. and if you take a close look at the circle of career diplomats the independents, last week with that high-level expertise there was only a five-point gap. and knowledge is fairly small. this week, it's 21. and i've talked to folks, >> wow. all right. sources and officials who are in let's talk about that question and around that sphere who say was about the impeachment he is widely respected on both
inquiry. that's hard -- that's a lower sides of the aisle. he's not this sort of political bar to support than impeachment guy. he is kind of a straight arrow, frankly. and removal from office. and it is very difficult in the but you also asked that eyes of these sort of people, question. >> we did ask that question. these allies of taylor you could the numbers aren't as high as say. the impeachment inquiry. just people who worked with him to try to paint him as this sort but 48% of american voters of partisan guy who's out there support impeaching and removing to simply make trouble. and i think you saw some of that the president from office. reflected in the way that he that's the highest when we've wrote out that opening statement or the way that opening been asking that question. it hasn't moved a lot in the statement was laid out from past couple of weeks. taylor. the one that we got our hands on yesterday, ali, where it was 46% of americans oppose rather measured. it was clear in that it impeaching. >> but that's a swap from last described the timeline. week. again, that becomes a bigger it built to a point and he number in favor. one of the other questions in your poll was the question we've defended and had, you know, been dealing with the bill backup. basically, he had the receipts for the points he was talking about. taylor last week. >> one of your colleagues, was the president pursuing his elise, just sent us a new tweet own personal interest in his by the president. it says never trump a republican de john bellinger represents never dealings with ukraine? this is an interesting number. it becomes yet more interesting. trumper diplomat bill taylor. >> it does become more interesting because this is one of those questions where you don't have just the up and down in parentheses who i don't know in testimony before congress. do nothing democrats allow answer along party lines. 59% of american voters think republicans zero representation,
zero due process, and zero that the president was pursuing his own personal interests in transparency. does anybody think this is fair? his dealings with ukraine. even though there was no quid pro quo, i'm sure they would and if you take a look at like to try. worse than the dems. republicans, you see 72% say he the thing here is the first sentence and the last sentence, right? the never trumpers and the worse than the dems. so donald trump is now painting was pursuing the national interest. but 17% say he was pursuing his a -- a -- a new enemy and, that is, republicans who are not own personal interest. >> versus 94 and 2 democrats. trump supporters. >> right. they may be conservatives but so virtually, all democrats they're not conservative enough think he was. but there is a split amongst for him, right? and this is, again, a line we republicans. have seen from the president >> there is a split and, you that harkens back to the mueller know, we have another 11% who investigation, ali, when he say they don't know among would pick out people involved in that special counsel republicans. so this is one of those questions where we are not investigation who were seeing that rock solid number of republicans who were conservative but just not in the president's view loyal enough or republican support behind a question. conservative enough to be able >> independents are a little more certain about this. to defend him the way that he independents do believe by a wanted to be defended. and if you look at that tweet, plurality that the president was working in his own interest. there's some interesting pieces in there. >> yes. and among independents, 64% when he says even though there is no quid pro quo, i'm sure they would like to try. saying that the president was comes down to frankly semantics. pursuing his own personal the president insists no quid interest. >> mary, always good to see you. thank you, my friend. pro quo. his allies insist no quid pro >> thanks for having me. >> all right. quo. what is being laid out in these coming up. a disturbing look inside the documents and in these depositions that we have reported on that we have seen world of conspiracy theorists
are what these diplomats and and white supremacists who are officials say are favors traded expert at using social media to for political help, right? spread their agenda. media to military assistance traded for spread their agenda. help with the campaign ♪ essentially. the president may not want to call that a quid pro quo but if it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. words have meaning, i think there are some questions, some kraft. for the win win. real questions, about the way bill taylor and others have connected the dots on that here. >> thank you, my friend. always good to see you. hallie jackson is our chief white house correspondent. president trump lifted all sanctions against turkey earlier today after turkish government agreed to permanently stop fighti fighting kurdish forces in northern syria. >> let someone else fight over this long, blood stained sand. our troops are safe. and the pain and suffering of the three-day fight that occurred was directly responsible for our ability to make an agreement with turkey and the kurds that could never have been made without this
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in which you say it's early on in the book where you say the plain fact was that the alt-right movement. if it didn't allow its reporters to say so at least by implication, then the house style was preventing its there's an unlikely reporters from telling the truth. to me that feels like a thesis. partnership taking shape in the united states senate to tackle that feels like we don't want to climate change. republican senator mike braun report on it. we put donald trump's tweets up. and democratic senator chris i still have people tweeting me coons are introducing the first saying why do you do that, why ever bipartisan climate do you cover that stuff. but this is the problem that solutions caucus. the group is going to focus on that stuff is more real than specific policy proposals rather sometimes we want to admit. >> it's very real, and, look, than on an ideological platform. it's incumbent on us to see it clearly. we have to el the truth about it. specifically, the caucus is and we also have to see the going to have equal number of members from each party. it will not have a chair or ranking member and will only move forward on ideas with larger systemic motions in play. i didn't want to go out and say these people are bad. unanimous consent. and part of it is it's not called antisocial because it's
so what can we expect to see from this? i'm joined now by those founding my screed that is antisocial members of the climate solution media. it's called antisocial because caucus. delaware senator chris coons and these giant systems that we have built that have become massive indiana senator mike braun. platforms for human discourse as maxine waters was just saying, gentlemen, thanks for being with they have pro-social elements. us. i appreciate your being here. i have to say i'm going to start they have elements that help with you, senator braun, i don't know if you can get equal society but they also have huge numbers of people to agree on antisocial elements. anything. >> is that antisocial or is it a even for people who share a view, how serious climate is. social environment for people who otherwise wouldn't have why -- why have this system connected with each other? so in these extremist where you only move forward with things if everybody agrees? >> when you just read those criteria, we may get nothing communities when we see these done. mass shootings and we see some but i really think quite the of those places where those opposite. i decided to become the first people were dwelling online. republican to cross over to do it's almost created a social something that i've been a believer in since i moved back movement for the antisocial. >> i think that's right. to my hometown in the late '70s. a lot of people are banning together who wouldn't have otherwise. and some of it enables a i've been a life-long mainstream thing that hasn't conservationist. i've recycled. been normalized. been a steward of the land and but not only on the 8chans. i've always wondered why conservatives don't believe more part of my job is going into the white house briefing room with in conservation. many do but don't put it into practice and i can't imagine a people who come from these kind
time that is more pertinent to of sub-sub tabloid parts of the where this might work. internet. but they are not put up to it by and i think, yes, we'll get some a russian troll farm. they are just american citizens forward thinking republicans who think it's all fun and games. with democrats here to address >> why? what's the thrill? >> well, some of it is what i consider to be right up there with the cost of opportunism and profit. healthcare, the most important but sometimes it's just i hate issue facing especially future these mainstream institutions. generations. i want some attention by bucking >> senator coons, there is a the system. climate solutions caucus in the i say in the book all things house and actually the numbers equal, it's cooler to be a are not as crazy as one might renegade and a rebel than it is think. the 63 members of them. to be an establishment shield. 41 are democrats. but the problem is all things 22 are republicans. that's a little out of keeping are not equal. we live in a very complicated with polling that we've seen. society. if you just lie and spin and put so i want to put up a cbs poll out bigotry, whether dog whistle that asked people when should -- or overt, it has really when should we address climate deleterious effect. change? that's a different screen so i'm just going to ask the control and because it seems like a room to put up the poll. video game, literally in social media you get points for saying 80% of democrats say we have to do it right now. outrageous things. 20% of republicans say so. >> maxine waters' question to 55% of republicans say later or not at all. and 11% of democrats say so. mark zuckerberg about the work here is getting those fact-checking, they are meant to numbers more in line. get engagement. so the points are the engagement now that you have a partner standing next to you, what is you get for being provocative,
the work to do to get more people on side with this not for being honest. >> there has been a deep conversation? >> well, i think part of what ideological commitment for a we're trying to do here, ali, is long time too. to -- and what has beend what h the sub title is not only online extremists but techno utopian frozen -- is pursuing a part. different agenda when it comes the founders of reddit and to climate, to energy, to competitiveness. twitter, they basically see it as a foregone conclusion that we we need to have a common conversation that recognizes that climate is a real are going to put all this stuff into the atmosphere and the challenge. marketplace of ideas will sort that there is clearly something going on in our climate. it out. it is changing and human it doesn't work. >> i wish that were true. activity emissions are at the beginning of social contributing to it and we have to do something about it. media, i thought that is what it was going to be. but we can then begin a meaningful debate about how i thought none of us were going to lie again because social soon, what big a scale, what media would correct us. kind of intervention, what sort how wrong i was. of incentives or technology or investment do we need to make? we'll be right back. right back. devices are like doorways that's a conversation that is literally not happening at all today. >> uh-huh. yeah. >> in my nine years in the senate, i have never seen a constructive bipartisan conversation about how to ftacke
climate. i'm great to senator braun in willing to join with me. because frankly, i think that's the only way we end up moving forward with sustainable, enactable solutions. >> go ahead, senator. >> one quick addition to that. that could allow hackers into your home. and like all doors, the thing i see different here, as well, is that the industry. they're safer when locked. that's why you need xfinity xfi. i've been taking on the with the xfi gateway, healthcare industry, especially devices connected to your homes wifi are protected. insurance, for a long time. which helps keep people outside built a sustainable plan but it from accessing your passwords, credit cards and cameras. was like pulling teeth from the get go. and people inside 80 senators have weighed in on from accidentally visiting sites that aren't secure. and if someone trys we'll let you know. healthcare. in the industry, i see mostly draggi xfi advanced security. dragging its feet. in the short time i'v if it's connected, it's protected. here, i've been sitting down in call, click, or visit a store today. meetings with energy fossil fue. they really are on the move to try to be part of the solution. and i think that is why it makes it worth while for me because they're going to have to be a pait. >> yep. >> if we can't convince them to
change, we're basically just doing this in the abstract. >> so let me ask you this, senator, because you made a point of saying you've been a lifelong conservationist. in the history of conservation and things that look like care for the environment, has actually had a good strong history in the republican party. before being honored by historically but not at the moment. so how do you get the republican party back to a much more lawmakers on capitol hill and before hundreds attend his funeral, the late congressman natural place for it when it comes to climate? >> well, that has been a legacy elijah cummings wanted the people of baltimore to have a of the party and conservation, conservatives, you almost spell chance to bid him farewell. it the same way. it will be a more complicated today he is lying in repose at argument than that. but it takes leadership. morgan state university where he i think when people see a guy proudly served on the board of like me who is known for his regents for 19 years. fiscal conservativis conservatig the late congressman will lie in from a state like indiana, it's got a great business climate state in the capitol's statutory that's going to get things done. hall tomorrow from 1:00 p.m. to it's going to take that kind of leadership along with folks who 7:00 p.m. thank you for watching. have maybe already articulated "deadline: white house" with
the issue and that's when you nicolle wallace begins right now. head forward on it. sometimes there's just a ♪ threshold or a breaking point and i think we're at that. hi, everyone. and especially, when i take the it's 4:00 in new york. today a moment of choosing for small poll of my four kids. republicans in congress as >> uh-huh. washington still reels from the >> believe in this significantly aftershocks of yesterday's and really push me as hard to explosive testimony from work on this here. america's top diplomat in ukraine. >> the poll of your kids in most a man hand-picked by secretary of state mike pompeo who has people's cases is the only poll that matters. erased any room for objective before i let you guys go, minds to doubt that donald trump senator coons, you do a lot of conditioned military aid for work on foreign affairs. i have really been trying to ukraine on a commitment to make sense of what's going on in investigate his political northern syria. can you? rivals. the unimpeachable testimony of diplomat bill taylor has cut the >> well, we actually got a very final cord from trump's feeble compelling briefing at lunch defenses and denials of a quid today from brett mcgurk who was a senior figure in both the pro quo with obama and trump administrations as the special envoy for the counter-isis fight. and it was a very depressing, frankly, briefing over what's the harm to our strategic position in northern syria? what's the harm to the kurds? what's the risk that isis will
reemerge? i'll remind you that 70 u.s. senators on a bipartisan basis in january of this year supported a resolution that was advanced by majority leader mcconnell. urging president trump not to abruptly withdrawal from syria. nonetheless, he did so and there have been strong voices saying that was a bad thing to do and we now need to take some action to both sanction turkey and redouble our efforts against isis. i think that's a bipartisan position here in the senate and i think we've really got our work cut out for us. >> senator coons, good to see you on the show. and senator braun, thank you for being with us. good to see you and thanks for the work you're doing on climate change. it is a crucial issue. we'll talk to you both again. thank you. coming up next, there is new reporting that president trump actually pushed to cut funding for fighting corruption in ukraine and other countries. this as the president continues to say that july phone call with ukraine's president was a quote perfect call about combatting corruption. but first, rudy giuliani
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