we ve ever seen. those two things would seem to be in conflict. that said, for a president to have 49% of americans say he ought to be removed from office is quite an extraordinary thing. an incredible challenge to this president, a sign of hard times ahead. because we have these witnesses coming forward with pretty consistent stories about what happened even if they put different interpretations on how seriously we should take it. josh, i want to ask you about what s coming next week, what might be coming next week, i should say. we mentioned nsc lawyer john eisenberg, scheduled to appear next week. we mentioned rick perry, the energy department secretary, he s not showing up for a closed door hearing. democrats are hoping to hear from john bolton who won t come, apparently, voluntarily next week. what is your expectation on who will appear in the coming days? we ve seen an incredible amount of defiance, remember
this runs out of steam for a couple of reasons. one it runs out as you have explained and others have explained how it works. maybe they ve got two or three weeks being able to gripe but this will become a real hearing in which facts will overtake process. it ll be secret until it s not secret anymore. talking about secrecy, there s a lot of things that are private and it doesn t mean it s secret. that s a very fair point. a closed door hearing is private, not secret. and there are depositions that will probably be made public. and of course we all want to know if it s going to be heavily redacted or not. these are fights even democrats may have among themselves over what could be put out. but the thrust of what these people said will be known. and by the way the tactic some of these witnesses have used of releasing their own testimony as they walked in the door, what part of that is secret? and it is interesting because they ve all received letters or
gets to the senate. at some point this runs out of steam. because people explain as you have done. and the other is it will move into a public phase soon enough. maybe they have two or three weeks of being able to gripe. it will be a real hearing and facts will overtake process. secret until it s not anymore. talk about secrecy there s a lot of things that are private and it doesn t mean secret. very important. closed door hearing is private not secret. and depositions that were probably be made public. of course we want to know if it s heavily redacted or not. these are fights that democrats may have over what can be put out. but the thrust of what the people said will be known. the tactic some of the witnesses have used of releasing their testimony. what part of that is sacred?
we have to correct that every time. it s a closed door hearing. the republicans had it on libya. with republicans in the room alongside democrats. thank you for doing that. however, fox should be able to clarify that. you heard the anchors saying that to the press secretary. they are reenforcing the stuff the white house is putting out. and creating the larger conditions and some of that was referenced in the piece. 50% say there s nothing he can do. one step deeper is they re saying the ends justify the means. make the process illegitimate. no matter what happens there can t be consequences for it. keep in mind this is the reason why fox news was built. the idea to prevent what happened to nixon from happening ever again to a republican. it s actually true. it s in plain site. it s not a secret for fox news.
republicans feel the same way. listen to this exchange from fox & friends from this morning. lindsey graham says this what s missing in the impeachment push is coordinated message, and i think that has to be corrected. you re doing the best you can. hogan and others are doing the best you can, but could you use some help? , you know, i think we could use some help from the democrats, and fwooekd see whif what it is we re able to fight we will be able to message it a bit better. it s hard to fight something going on behind closed doors and in secret. as we discussed it s not actually happening in secret. joining me is the president and ceo of media matters. it s not going on in secret. we have to correct that every time it happens. it s a closed door hearing, exactly the same kind republicans had with benghazi.