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them for the last three months. four months, five months. and they're still here. >> they're still here. meanwhile, bipartisan efforts to shield mueller and his investigation are moving forward in the senate, interestingly enough after much delay. today republican chuck grassley, the chair of the powerful senate judiciary committee announced his panel will vote on a bill to protect mueller potentially as soon as tomorrow. that puts grassley on a direct collision course with the senate majority leader who says he will not advance the bill to a final vote. >> there's no indication that mueller is going to be fired. i don't think the president is going to do that. >> obviously a number of your colleagues fear it enough to say it should be in there. >> i'm the one who decides what we take to the floor. that's my responsibility as the majority leader. we'll not be having this on the floor of the senate. >> it's possible mcconnell doesn't read "the new york times" which reported on two separate occasions when the president has already tried to order pluler fired. in one case backing down only after his own white house counsel threatened to quit over it if he went through with it. tonight concerns about mueller being fired are urgent enough apparently a police commander in pittsburgh just ordered detectives to bring riot gear to work in case people take to the streets. that's happening in america. on capitol hill, a handful of republicans signed on to a house version of the mueller protection bill. it is worth noting that of the six gop members we know, half have already announced they're retiring from congress. some of their colleagues are taking what could be considered the absolute opposite approach. today in a letter to the attorney general and other senior officials, 11 house republicans called on the justice department to prosecute a long list of the president's political foes including james comey, hillary clinton and former attorney general loretta lynch. we've seen had kind of extraordinary breach of american political norms from the president himself but never before from members of u.s. congress. their move was hailed by the president's associates on trump tv. >> this is a welcome change here in washington. it looks like members of congress are trying to finally bring to the american people the justice which they deserve. hopefully the justice department will look into jim comey lying under oath in front of congress. i don't understand why you've got a person gone for almost a year that has not been followed up with or prosecuted for that potential crime. >> democratic senator cory booker a member of the senate judiciary committee and one of the sponsors of the bill to protect mueller good enough to join us live. let me start on that. what do you make of members of congress writing a letter calling for members of the fbi, the justice department and political foes of the president to be prosecuted? >> this is to me really a bad sign in our democracy. i think it starred in the last presidential election where you hear a whole convention center chanting "lock her up," which to me is things that dictators do that autocrats do is go after their little enemies not through the mechanisms of democracy but threat nick to throw them in jail and arrest them. this is a very dangerous sign. it is very anti-democratic that people want to try to be pushing to lock up their political opponents. >> so you're on the judiciary committee. explain to me what the state of play is with this piece of legislation. >> back in june, lindsey graham and started talking about hey, this is a problem not just in this moment in history, this moment in time. but for the long-term. if you have a president under investigation or has principal members of their team indicted, that that president should have a common sense check and balance on their ability to fire a special counsel. it just makes sense that you should not have -- that you should have checks and balances that you shouldn't have a president can be above the law or that could obstruct justice. so this is just a very common sense pragmatic idea. lindsay and i started working on it, thom tillis and chris coons came up with their version. we've married the versions. i'm excited that chuck grassley understands that this is a bill of merit not only for now but in the ages and not only held hearings on it i mope will mark this bill up and vote it out of committee. >> what do you think has changed? it seemed there was a lot of interest last summer, we may have had you on to talk about it, that interest waned. it seemed stalled. if you had asked me to bet on whether it would get a vote on committee, i would have said no. what's changed? >> a lot of folks of good conscience saying we've seen two separate occasions where we're hearing reports the president was going to move to fire mueller. we've seen consistent with his behavior that it can be impulsive, it can be unpredictable. i think we need this back stop for our democracy as opposed to lurching us into a constitutional crisis. sober minds see this as not at indictment of the president but as a sign of the times and something we're worried about and a responsible thing for us to do as stewards of the republic, as stewards of our democracy. and look, i would be -- i want to state it plain, clearly, there are republicans now that are worried that this eventuality might happen. i think that's why we're getting good people, good heart, good nature stepping up to say let's do some things to create an insurance policy against a constitutional crisis. >> isn't.mitch mcconnell just going to put this bill where he stored the merrick garland flom nation in his office? >> i think that is a well earned skepticism. but this is something that i think is gaining momentum. i think that mitch mcconnell is right it, his rights to do what he's doing right now but he's within his rights to change his mind. as we get more bipartisan support, as more activism happens around the country and if trump continues with the kind cuff bluster we've been seeing, here's a president that has been undermining the special counsel, attacking his integrity, undermining the investigation. i think at some point people have to choose from a tribalism party politics between that and sort of a faithfulness to their country and our institutions. i'm hoping that mitch mcconnell will come around. but right now, we're step by step. we wrote a bill. we got the bill hearings. we got the bill now ready to go into committee. every step of the way as you said, people didn't think we could make it the next step. i have a feeling we might get this to the floor. >> do you think the president's a criminal. >> i'm one of those folks that says let's go where the evidence leads. and right now, we have a special counsel that is doing a thorough investigation. let's not get ahead of our skis. let's make sure we support the special counsel's investigation. if the president, like he says he has nothing to worry about, he should back off on the rhetoric and the things he's doing to undermine the investigation and let it take its course. let's draw our conclusions from the evidence gath perpendicular i think it's politically peril oust way we are throwing things around and getting ahead of this investigation. i think we need to let this prosecutor, let the special counsel rather do their job and draw conclusions after the evidence comes forward. >> is that a reference to talk of impeachment when you say politically perilous. >> yeah, i think that we undermine our position as democrats if we are reaching out now for impeachment which is just going to whip up more of the political divisions, the political debates. i'll take criticism for that but it's okay. we need sober minds, fact-basesed conclusioned drawn from evidence presented. this, if we protect are the special counsel especially, this investigation is going to come to a conclusion. there are going to be facts and we can base our actions based upon those fantastics. >> senator cory booker, you for making time tonight. >> for more on threats the jut department's independence, i'm joined by two former federal prosecutors, jennifer rogers who worked in the same attorney's office investigating michael cohen and harry lipman who worked at the doj. let me start with you. the president very pointedly didn't say no, i'm not going to fire them. they're five and i'm innocent. he could have said that. >> he could have but he likes to keep us guessing, of course. if he flat out said i'm going to fire him, then maybe they hurry up and pass this bill and that puts impediments in his way. >> or if he said i'm not going to do it. what he said was this coy like, you keep saying this and they're still there. he said they're going to do their job. >> the white house said that before. sarah sanders said that before and now she's backing off that which is getting some people nervous. >> harry, i want to ask about some of the -- there's all these machinations happening as we watch this bear down. one of them is that adam schiff is introducing a pardon bill, legislation to prevent abuse of presidential pardons which understand the impulse particularly as there is some evidence that perhaps the president might be dangling them or some fear he might be dangling in front of people that could incriminate them. is that even constitutional? >> doa. the pardon power is plenary. it's a very interesting theory by the way that the dangling of a pardon might constitute obstruction because the sort of secret i'll pardon you, just keep quiet now, wouldn't be subject to the one check we have on pardons which is the political collect that they're in in plain air. but there's the pardon power, more than even the discharge power which at issue in the booker bill, is completely within the president's control subject only to as has happened here arguably, improper purpose and it being the possibility of obstruction. ditto, by the way, on the booker bill. there are going to be constitutional arguments on either side. notwithstanding the precedent that the senators rely on. and i actually think if it passes, this will au kind of play out at the district court level in the first instance and whether the district court will enjoin the bill or not until it goes up because if the district court says let's keep it as it is, that law is in place, that will be four, five, six months till the supreme court decides that's four, five, six months for mueller to make a lot of hay. >> that's a very good point sort of concrete terms, is there even a legislative it statutory solution to this. >> some legal scholars argue alan dershowitz and a lot of them on right argue the president has a constitutional power under article two to fire anyone in the executive branch essentially so you can't undermine that power by statute or any other reason. that will be the battle if this gets passed. they'll be duking it out in court. >> another piece of legislation this legal gim protect. eric schneiderman wrote a letter to new york lawmakers urging state lawmakers to close new york's double jeopardy loophole to. to prevent the president from avoiding double jeopardy. >> it only applies as double jeopardy would once somebody has stood trial. now, sneiderma knows better. jennifer probably knows better being from from new york. my sense of it is, it comes into play only when somebody is first put in jeopardy in the federal system. but if that happens, it would apply to many of the crimes the vet financial crimes that it looks as if cohen, manafort and others are going to have to stand try for. >> so it attach as soon as someone pleads guilty or a jury is sworn in a trial. so flynn. >> you're saying is double jeopardy does. >> correct. so flynn, he's already pled, gates has already pled. for them if they're pardoned by the president, then the new york double jeopardy statute would the prohibit sneiderma or any other new york prosecutor from bringing charges against them. >> this would rectify that in view of sneiderma. >> it would. new york is along with about half the states with a stricter double jeopardy policy than is strictly necessary. there's no constitutional reason they can't pass this and scale back that extra protection. >> it's interesting to watch everyone try to figure out how to sort of shore up all this. then there's the civil suits happening. one thing that happened today karen mcdougal was released from her settlement with ami, american media inc .basically saying you can tell your story. do you see that as having effect on everything happening in the lane of michael cohen and robert mueller, harry. >> totally. it's quite a story really. everyone has been focused to date on mueller. understandably. he's got the big guns. he can really bring the biggest charges against trump. in the meantime, trump is fighting and losing on these different fronts in individual courts. where he has to, in fact, stand in front of the law and the law buys back and says look, i don't care if you're the president. so far, judge wood, judge odoro and i think mcdougal, the "national enquirer" read the writing on the wall. what we had seen as sort of nuisance suits in fact are proving very potent especially if cohen is right, by the way. that's a fact question, that the stormy suit actually was instrumental in the search warrants being served on cohen. >> and karen mcdougal's lawyer as i realized is going to be on rachel maddow. next, after the bizarre 72 hours of back and forth whether the white house is enacting russian sanctions the president halted his departure from the president conference with the prime minister minister of japan to weigh in on public feud. that story in two minutes. at ameriprise financial, we can't predict what tomorrow will bring. but our comprehensive approach to financial 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more homes than anyone. now you can get it, too. welcome to the party. tonight president trump caud the russia investigation a hoax repeatedly claim is as he often does anytime this comes up, no collusion. at the same time, the president appears to be blocking his own administration's efforts to sanction russia. over the weekend, the white house informed surrogates it would impose specific additional sanctions against russia in direct response to moscow's support for bashar al assad in the wake of the syrian government's chemical weapons attack on syrians as the u.s. alleges they did. u.s. ambassador to the united nations nikki haley announced the sanctions on tv. he grew angry and yelled at the television. the white house insys there had were no new sanctions claiming she had just been confused. tonight at a press conference weapons japanese frirpt shinzo abe, trump offered a cryptic response when asked about the sanctions. >> sanctions as soon as they very much deserve it. we have -- that is a question. there's been nobody tougher on russia than president donald trump. >> joining me now someone all over the stoerks political analyst phillip rucker, white house bureau chief for the "washington post." lots of press back and forth about the peschell dynamics. nikki says there already sanctions. then they get withdrawn. kudlow says she got ahead of her skis. nikki haley says i don't get confused. there was a policy that got reversed, right? >> that's right, chris. as with a lot of things in this administration, the reason for the reversal is the president himself. there was an agreed upon preliminary plan developed last week to impose these sanctions as an economic component of the broader campaign in retaliation for the syrian chemical gas attacks. there were the military strikes on friday. there were to be these economic sanctions against russia this monday. and sometime over the weekend, the president decided to hold back on the sanctions, not to impose and not to authorize them in part because he felt like russia had not retaliated against the united states for that military strike on friday. so he didn't want to antagonize russia too much. something didn't happen in the translation there. it's unclear based on my reporting exactly when the president changed his mind whether he did so before ambassador haley went on tv sunday or soon after. but the white house did not announce that change till monday and the agreed upon message was to blame her. >> this is very similar to another incident you reported in the west about his anger at the scope of russian diplomatic expulsions or spy expensions according to u.s. government. there were i think 60 named and you said the president was furious his administration has being portrayed as taking by far the toughest stance on russia. he got angry whether he learned france and britain were kicking out four, the u.s. was kicking out 60 and yelling at his staff about it. >> that's right. president trump was willing to expel those russian diplomats a few weeks ago but did not want to be seen as taking the lead as having the united states be at the forefront of this. he felt like this was a problem for europe. he wanted the european allies to be more aggressive with russia. he was willing to sort of go along. so his advisers said look, if the u.s. expels 60 diplomats, europe will expel 60. for some reason, trump didn't realize they meant europe collectively. there was a global effort, all of these countries contributed a certain number of diplomats they would be expelling from their countries. trump got furious when he saw the side by side comparisons between the u.s. at 60, france and germany at four each. that irritated him and he was cursing at his team. >> what is going on? the president is at war and at odds with his own administration over russia policy. he hates when they're aggressive. he gets overruled or outplayed or they have to keep it hidden from him and spring it on him. the whole thing steams dysfunctional and unhealthy. what's going on? >> he's ratcheted up the aggression with russia a little bit. certainly the donald trump of 2017 probably would not have agreed to expel any russian diplomats, would not have agreed to close the consulate in the seattle. he says he's the toughest ever. that doesn't pan out. it's clear when you report inside this administration that is almost everyone to a t in the administration those in the cabinet, those on the national security council are in agreement with a very aggressive and adversarial posture with russia. it's the president time and again they have to convince to come along and authorize these moves. >> phil, thanks for being with me tonight. >> thank you. president trump today crowed about the man he nominated to be secretary of state cia director mike pompeo we now know traveled to north korea over easter weekend to meet kim jong-un directly even though he's not been confirmed by the senate. >> i think mike pompeo is extraordinary. sfefs number one at west point, top the an harvard. he's a great gentleman. i think he'll go down as truly a great secretary of state. by the way, he just left north korea. had a great meeting with kim jong-un and got along with him really well, really great. >> joining me now is the top democrat in the senate foreign reeses complete senator robert menendez df new jersey who said today he would vote no on the pompeo come nation. let me start with your reasons for coming to that conclusion. >> i don't think director pompeo will be someone who be a strong advocate for diplomacy as the first line of defense. i think he rounds out what is becoming the president's war cabinet. i'm concerned about his past statements about regime change. both in north korea and iran just to mention a few. and i'm concerned about his record on what he has said about people of the muslim faith, about the lgbtq community, and others, and democracy and human rights around the world which the united states promotes starts here at home. those are many of the reasons why i don't believe that he will work to stop the president's worst instincts. >> are you supportive of efforts to engage in direct talks with north korea like pompeo going there and possibly setting up a head to head summit with the president? >> well, you know, ultimately, i worry about the president having a meeting without the deep preparation that has to take place. primarily by our state department and our defense people to maybe have a shot at having a good meeting. you know what kim yong u.n. has done here is set the terms and the time that he decided that he'll engage with us. he has received international recognition by the president himself agreeing to meet with him and being legitimized in that way. he has ultimately said that he'll talking about denuclearization but he's done that previouset rations. never has it been followed through on. lastly it looks like he will get benefit from china in enhanced economic interaction for easing the tension. he's in a good place. i worry that the president doesn't understand what is necessary and the underpinnings necessary toes achieve the possibility of the goals of a denewark clearrized korean peninsula. >> there's a lot of back and forth in the last 24 hours about russia and russian sanctions particularly with nikkiy announcing is new chances. people in the administration saying she got ahead of the curve and her saying i did not. do you understand what's going on with there administration's russia policy? >> no, i don't understand the administration's russia policy except this. that president trump can declare the court order of a judge to conduct a search warrant on his former -- or on his attorney an attack against our country but cannot say anything about vladimir putin's attack against our country in the presidential elections and attacks that are still going on in our election process as we speak for the 2018 elections. it's mind boggling and this is why i could understand where ambassador heyy thought they were going in a different direction because the congress overwhelming passed and the president he had to sign sanctions against russia that are mandatory, not discretionary and no waivers for them. mandatory that he has yet to pass. so ultimately, one has to wonder, what is it that the president has such a reluctance to do as it relates to russia when they've attacked us in what would clearly be in any other iteration an attack on our country and when they not only have invaded ukraine, committed a chemical attack against an individual on foreign soil, are engaged in other democracies throughout europe and in mexico as we speak and so many others. so it's just mind boggling to try to understand that what the president is all about whether he it comes to russia. >> finally, the president ordered strikes on three different facilities that allegedly were involved in the production of chemical weapons controlled by the regime in syria. did you support those? do you support them and are you clear what the legal rationale is for those strikes? >> i think any sustained engagement in syria outside of isil needs the authorization of congress, number one. number two, wlags assad did is barbaric. but we saw a strike a year ago, we see a strike now. at the end of the day, i don't know if this was carefully choreographed because you have a strike against three facilities. the russians don't activate their defense missiles against us. the syrians shoot their missiles after our missiles land. you wonder, wait a minute, was this a choreographed kabuki show? ia really is missing here is a strategy to end the disaster that is syria. >> let me make sure i understand that. are you suggesting that the white house used some back channelton actively coordinate with russia or the assad regime ahead of time before the strikes? >> well, i certainly have to wonder. the russians have a very sophisticated defense system they did not activate. the syrians shot missiles after our missiles landed. and the russians were not hit at all in any of those chemical weapons sites. it's too many questions that raise the concerns as did weise act and show our indignation but was it choreographed or at least were the russians told stay out of these seconds and by the way, don't challenge us. and if you don't challenge us, then everything will go as planned. look, the bottom line is, what's crying out here in syria is a strategy a strategy that isolates russia and iran through the gulf partners through other countries in the world for what they're doing in syria that ends the humanitarian catastrophe that gives assistance to the syrians who are fleeing and brings the process into a u.n. brokered system, not the process where russia, turkey and iran are deciding syria's future and a good part of the middle east. >> the senator menendez thanks for being with me. next why is donald trump so worried about 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trump did knot nothing wrong but it's kind of funny no one seems to be even pretending that's the case anymore. wnyc's trump, inc. aired an episode about michael cohen's history with the president. andrea bernstein joins me now. what did you learn. >> one of the things that was stunning to us and we went back to the beginning of michael cohen's career as a lawyer, is that he kept associating with people who were investigated, disbarred, committed of crimes, he himself was not so far as we can he's never been investigated till now. but he has a remarkable track record going back to people that he worked with in the taxi medallion industry, people that he worked with where he set up medical offices and people were later charged with insurance fraud. and normally one wouldn't judge people by their associates but there is a stunning and consistent history and, of course, he is the president's lawyer, and therefore, is deserving of even more scrutiny. >> this is a guy who has gone through a number of businesses that i think it's fair to say like the taxi medallion business is like a sketchy business. >> the taxi medallion business, one of the things it's a license to drive a cab. until uber it was worth so much money. >> gold mine. >> at its peak worth $1 million. even way back in the early towels, he said had he 200 of them. that's a lot of money. and that's what gave him the ability to so far as we know, to start buying properties in trump tower. he went from these very sort of poor places in new york city where the businesses are falling apart and shuttered and people don't have locks on their doors to fifth avenue, park avenue in a very short length of time. >> this is the thing. you get a picture today on twitter of one of his law offices and a taxi garage basically, in queengs essentially. at a certain point the way he runs into trouble, he starts buying up a lot of trump port. is that right? >> this is what happens. we don't know how they met. but the first time they were ever publicly linked was there was a story in the "new york post." it was an unusual story. >> a weird story. >> about some guy michael cohen him and his family and his business partners buying up trump properties all over the place. soon after that, he goes to work for trump as executive vice president. this is a guy who had an office in a garage not too many years before that. >> and he's buying he and his family are buying a lot of property in dollar value of condos in trump properties. >> this is the other thing about michael cohen. he's worked in these industries, taxi medallions, medical insurance. diamonds, real estate. i mean, we'll take real estate in particular. the federal government thinks that real estate is a way for people to lauder money. this is the stated policy of the u.s. treasury is that some 30% of real estate transactions merit skrutfully because of possible money laundering. > he becomes -- the role he plays for donald trump is not lawyer. that's key. what is his role? >> it's important to understand this. donald trump had lawyers who did litigation and. >> tons from them, armies of them. >> legal briefs and did all these things for him. what michael cohen did is he made deals. one of the things in our podcast is we have tape of him announcing a very early deal or sort of a middle of his term in trump world with georgia. he is somebody whose office was in a taxi garage now standing next to the president of georgia announcing a big deal. this deal later collapses amid charges of money laundering and corruption and bank fraud. again you have this pattern wherever mike cohen goes these charges are around him. now, he is not charged. >> and i should say january 2017 he resigns from the trump work to become the personal attorney for the president which is interesting. i think we'll see that very relevant to the litigation an keeps going. andrea bernstein, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> still to come, the president's popularity 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advantage. used to be at 12 points. the cook political report, same time that is happening, also shifted seven seats towards the democrat. 29 republican house members are resigning or retiring, pennsylvania congressman, charlie dent, candidate about his party's chances in november. >> certainly the energy, enthusiasm and anger is on the democratic side. in this election. there its no, no sugarcoating that. so, you know a big wave coming. some members have to get off the beach. >> with me, michelle grober, josh ernest, christina greer, and political scientist. so, there is a weird, there is something happening i think is interesting at this point. seven months out. if you look at the generic ballot. the lead the democrats had looks to have shrunk. the president's approval rating bumping in the 40s. not the worst. not like post charlottesville. all the stuff on polling looks like, bad but not catastrophic for republicans. maybe improving a little. if you look at fund-raising, political reports, special elections, the behavior of people like paul ryan, it looks like a disaster. >> candidate recruitment is something that would figure highly there. seeing quality and number of candidates the democrats have been able to recruit. something hard to gauge now. based on sheer numbers. some of the stories out there. su something that will reap the benefits of come november. >> which is accurate? >> i think democrats are in a good position heading into november. not something, democrats should be taking for granted. not a situation where democrats should repeat the mistakes of the past which is to say should not just be counting on getting by running anti-donald trump campaign. at every democratic canned date -- candidate will have to make proactive argument what they're for and what they're hopefully my hope its that voters and democrats will respond. so much energy we see, marches are motivated by the desire of protesting being against something. at some point we have, have to harn er harness the energy in the direction of being in favor of something. >> not that i necessarily disagree with it. i think that is where the energy comes from. i don't worry about that as much. with each of the special elections you have seen, in many cases, the candidates have made an affirmative pitch to voters. they almost don't have to talk about donald trump, it is implicit. like, connor lamb didn't talk much about donald trump. heading on friday to arizona to write about the special election in congressional district 8. where again, you know you have all the people motivated by anti-trump animus. doesn't figure in. >> let me bracket that. the district opened up if i am not mistaken by the member of republican house leadership who asked several female staff members. to be a surrogate, carry his children. have to resign for that. another thing. >> here is also the problem. we have to get through primaries first. always encouraging students. must vote. must vote. they turn around to me, for whom? why? take new york for instance. our primary for, you know congress is in june. there are so many people who aren't paying attention. the person who actually goes on the ballot, to go against a republican in november, may be some one that, you know in some cases isn't that attractive to a large percentage of voters. and that's also part of the frustrating piece that, that i find with younger voters that we keep saying, come in. come in. and, all the action happened in june. they may miss it actually. >> interesting too. because, republicans say this all the time. particularly about connor lamb. good luck getting connor lamb out of the primary? >> the other part of this that matters is -- well, to go back to what i was saying before. they have to be in position they're voting for something. this its what i thought connor lamb did a good job of. republicans tried to spin the situation. connor lamb was playing republican light. that's not what connor lamb did. he was very affirmative. he made a point of clarifying his position on gun control to suggest he was in support of background checks. supportive of the labor movement. took a big risk, talked about the need to confront climate change. he is somebody on affirmative platform. aspiring candidate. he didn't spend all of his time running against donald trump. >> i think we also have to realize, district by district. unfortunately, the democrats are sometimes using blanket strategy. we talked about this. when there are people of color, women of color especially in a particular district. we can't keep chasing this x percent of white men who left during the reagan era to get them back into the party. love the people who actually turn out, who registered democrats who have a proven track record in the past, three, four elections that will come out in a primary especially in a general, because they're already mote va motivated. >> we are going to have a lot of women. i am not usually an optimistic woman. in a state of gloom and deep spare. if you look at the people running, right. you have so many, you have record numbers of women. record numbers of women of color. right. you do have, i think, to some extent, a slate of candidates that reflects the democratic base. the slate of candidates willing to step up and run in places where often kramt cardemocrats have a candidate at all. they're able to pour all their heart and some. force republicans. paul ryan, this district. don't think it looks that good for democrats. republicans are having to pour $1 million into it. paul ryan is hosting a fund raiser. yeah. in arizona. they didn't even used to run anybody in this district. they're draining resources. >> people are running in the districts. i'm not confident the democratic party its putting resources behind the candidates to help them in the particular districts. we saw what happened when independent expenditure put in $1 million in the doug jones roy moore. 98% of black women turning out. $23 million to chase down white men sort of on the fence. i think we need institutional structure to financially support of the people. >> that's what is making it happ happen. indivisible. >> seeing transmitted in the different races. bear down. look at who is manning phone ban banks. >> working family parties across the country. >> two factors we should, cover here. you alluded to it. money. republicans are actually going to outspend democarts this time around. for all the advantages around the national narrative. we do not have the advantage when it comes to money. a republican advantage. where there is a democratic advantage. not enjoyed by the minority party, is we are going to be in a message vierenvironment.

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birth. home two moods of species. a home worth saving. yes those are big changes and most start with small steps but global ideas tell stories of creative people and innovative projects around the world. like to use the term limits to stop religious organizations and be forced into. the community interactive content to choose the next generation of doesn't want to touch it. using all channels available to inspire people to take action. and more determined to do something here for the next generation the idea is the environment series of global three thousand on t w and online. tonight. young cats will know what. a charity gonna auction imbalance if the luxury watch goes for a good price a bird in children's home will get a new sports field millionaire co organizer clay stuff going on urges the wealthy guests at the option to dig deep. and no one who wants to buy leon now messes golden boot and with it the virtuous feeling of helping children. you know into the guy after. the people who drive things forward who have the possibilities the time the money and we must get involved we have one of the best countries in the world with the best opportunities so let's help to create equal and fair opportunities for children thank you very much. for months six. kristoff let us record him on his day to day activities thanks to him and others the resulting film gives an insight into today's society in germany at first glance germany is a rich and powerful country full of opportunities but if you look closely even in this industrialized country the wealth is very an equally distributed. success often depends on where you come from but why should it be that way do these great differences threaten social cohesion to get some answers we talked to some of the leading academics around the world who have specialized in the issue of inequality including nobel laureate joseph stiglitz the world is at a crossroads today people sense that the control of their nation is being stolen from inequality is the most pressing social problem facing us today welcome to the land of inequality. but. high stuff and keeps getting richer. and trying to fix it. but if you have two hundred fifty million euros you can throw it out the window and it will come back through the door you can buy cars and real estate that increase in value you buy gold in the gold price goes up you can't destroy money through consumption. and his money in real estate his company says he is behind every third new apartment in cologne. i don't know if we built or renovated everything you see. tom to get to the top. pretty funny i always go to work if i have a herniated disc a forty degree fever my wife and i have a fight now i don't sleep i still work the next day and it's paid off all through the. so does his success automatically rabaul for his children can you actually buy life opportunities in germany. six am. while other fathers are waking children op this millionaire is working up a sweat during an early morning workout. connor's every day life is strictly regulated time is money that can be added to anywhere even in the car when he turns the back seat into an office in. qana seems his assistant actually almost every day about his four children usually only at the weekends. i mean. as a father you naturally try to get the best for your children. a child that attends a regular school still needs a lot from their parents during the week in there that's where i fail completely. it's also what i've done with my children and it's probably more honest is to tell them i won't be around from monday to friday. so i can't give them the attention they might need during that time. and that they'll be under the best supervision somewhere else. and sending your children to a boarding school perhaps gives them a better chance of getting a good education than school children who live at home. as a flight. crew stuff going to. doesn't want his children to appear in this film two of them go to an elite boarding school in another city the school fees are three thousand euros a month per child. three thousand euros per month few families have that much even to live on four thousand people live in these high rise blocks known as the vices eat long and cone district mostly large families in two to three room apartments sixty percent of them are on while family children who grow up here usually go to those on an elementary school ninety three percent of the children there do not have to pay for their books because their parents sample. these have been own as problem schools for years but no one has done anything about it. and she wouldn't you good morning everyone. oh. for. what should you pay attention to when you write a caption for your holiday picture. made raise your hands. a full stop after a sentence exactly all but two children in your right is to me is fourth grade class have foreign roots just. yeah. she sets them a written topic mine best experience on holiday. you could also write something about it first and then draw a picture. called me she said we should meet. during the holidays i had a tournament. we came for. you. and me and my parents went to etiquette supermarkets. i know i got a kinda surprise. and then we went back home. it's mostly gone. now and i think this is my breakfast but you can have some to. stephanie five tog is a teaching assistant she's there to help with tasks settle disputes and go on school trips. and lead on my life i want to teacher is off sick for a long time and we don't have enough staff that makes me said. he doesn't like and cannot and if the children don't have lessons they don't learn anything i can manage up to the fifth grade you know mom all of us should understand we're also doing something nice that we jointly like german most right well i like that not. the most. so those who speak little german at home need more support there are currently four vacancies for teachers at the school. smushed my mom i want to become a civil engineer because i want to earn a lot of money because that's what my father does and you have to be good at math but i must decide. after i want to graduate from high school. and work for a coal company film i know how to knock out my. issues and i want to study. this room and i want to become a doctor because i like helping people. to think. just a quarter of the children have will make it to high school and the rest of the land it's almost twice as many. yards from the use and they do have their big dreams and goals see this not my views but they may not always know how to achieve them because they somehow don't know the way or it's sometimes closed off. bad. head teacher kathleen a polka mccoury would like to hire more teachers but she only has a little more money to spend than she would have at a school where all the children spoke german and nobody was paul. i'm fine large it was invested in nepal if you could look at what the children eat and hire the people to provide that then things would be completely different is my answer to these monochromatic also the people who live here can't afford a lock how five in must on benghazi and when we look at what the children enough whether it's a healthy diet or more exercise or proper work materials on which costs a lot of money to tough to get there are so many factors that determine every day life in class one that you can't even describe it in words to smile for the song. can ave should you can and i'm fine if i know parents who don't send their children to the schools at all they group together and send their children to a school farther away. where they even asked the schools to open separate classes for their groups of children to class and to me this is all social segregation. to me. social segregation in this context is the spatial separation of rich and poor on what happens when those on top and those down below drift further and further apart economists and social scientists all over the world are looking for answers and investigating the consequences of inequality. one of them is ballin based educational research marcella held beach in a recent study he discovered that in germany the rich and poor increasingly keep to themselves and hardly ever meet. our study looked at seventy three cities especially in terms of social segregation and we concluded that social segregation has actually increased in all but six or seven of them. one example is berlin unemployment and child poverty are decreasing in the north of noise. whereas almost two thirds of the people in the vises eat long tower blocks get help from the stands. in the whole area the a forty divides the city of s. and north of the motorway seventeen percent of adults are on social welfare whereas south of the a forty the figure is only seven percent. of business and in many cities in germany we see these pockets in certain neighborhoods where seventy to eighty percent of the children live off benefits and for the schools this means a concentration of the social problems that go with that if users of the education system has to struggle with this every day mrs billing systems are the talk of snyder came from. not only our rich and paul meeting last unless it's also becoming increasingly likely that children with and without immigrant backgrounds will go to separate schools this is an experiment involving two schools in essence in orange t. shirts an elementary school in a far more affluent southern part of the city. and in blue t. shirts children from a school in the poorer north of essen the children have to ask each other a single question from the pupils from s. and north ask each other are you a foreigner. mom mom. studies show the children growing up amongst many poor people or immigrants will most probably underachieved. new can and does exclaim googly can precisely tell which children will have which chances be it me can we can work out the probabilities and i would know exactly where to send a social education worker or a good teacher if i had one she can get it so in particular when you look at children who move or who are randomly offered a chance to move to a better new. abroad through an affordable housing program they end up doing far better than the children who didn't have that opportunity showing directly but this can't just be about differences in ability or about dreams. germany aims to provide education that doesn't depend on parents' wealth the state uses taxpayers' money to ensure that all children go to good daycare centers and good schools it also offers opportunities to those who have few but what if the state doesn't stick to that. christophe bring up a millionaire and father feels he has a duty. as many would say if you're from a good home and the education policy is substandard your parents can help with that if you have a bad home but a good school then the school can lessen the impact of the bad home but it's failed everywhere we've got parents who don't care and don't get their act together at an education policy with the doors wide open to the chaos we see today. the entrepreneur is on his way to the last thing haunts foundation for disadvantaged children it supports around two thousand children in twenty two can. go in and wants to see what's become of the money they donated and to initiate new projects. they're not so much that i was full of it here for example everything was full of concrete so we had a concrete ripped out and created a place where children like to spend time with the news and don't hit their heads on the hard surfaces. and if you have to connotates one project at a time paying for tutoring dental braces and sports fields and all of it in addition to running his business. on his own could see you can do charitable work and get your homework done. you know. i'm kind of i'm feet out of the small end for theater will be built here for me it'll be a dream come true. this is a. mystery to me but this is awful sometimes you feel like sitting on the floor and just playing with oh you have to be careful in the job i do but you can't just sit there and play citizens is enough. because you know you're our real heroes thank you. for this thing i'm so it's for who needs the most time financial resources and support from soft children and that is that you can't save a poor old person although you can alleviate the circumstances they live in but with a young person or a child you can still set the course devise mr long shot. and i sponsored this sports field for one hundred thousand euros many children hang around technology in shifts at the youth welfare office and can't be filmed one much so it's fun to play here it's working out it's fun it was. done for goals from the children's home half way house to don's for the event as a thank you letters which will include. annoyed folks like my god. i don't know how gunfights could i just have everyone's attention for a second. if i can do that i want to tell you some important information then from us this field is here that we created it because we believe in you children by ok and we'll do everything in our power to make your play time as much fun as other children's play time we believe in you and will always be here to do these kinds of things ok. and i believe here i. mean. if it becomes clear in a society that the richer people have much better opportunities than the poor and it also affects those in between the middle classes if they can no longer rely on the state to watch for opportunities to more children no matter where their school or nursery is it has far reaching consequences then the pressure grows to do the best possible for the children. in germany a family with two children is middle class if they have a gross monthly income of between three and five thousand euros like the cost family from like sick. thomas klaus picks up his children gustav and louisa from the nursery. a big topic at the moment is which school gustaf should go to. the missions even the kids and we would like you and your child to join us for preschool in the period from december to february or offering your child a weekly preschool lesson was on so we can start school really start that's cool isn't it the school. year coming to you you can also come with us and it says only your child but you are our child to. the children can grow up in comfort thanks to thomas's john the engineer work seventy five minutes bike ride away from home. they can afford an apartment in a good location. but it's been clear for some months now that his company wants to save money and that entire plants are under threat. possibly his as well. so there we are we all thought we were part of the big operation you let some lawyer tells us we are to do my see a huge risk that will be left standing here empty handed and then we'll have lost and if we're just ripped out of here without any control over it can then we're really facing total defeat here in my busy schedule tuesday. as chairman of the leipsic plans works council thomas clouse travels to the siemens headquarters in munich where the managers want to announce their savings plans. it's an end to the rumors everything in black and white jumped right up to them to be high up to children and i also have plans for the future and they are largely based on the future with my good job at siemens on this i know and now it's all up in the air when that future is no longer there then i'm a shaky ground you know it's a bit like the road to the slaughterhouse it's a busy. emotional. where does the middle class fear of sliding down the social ladder come from for a long time the german middle class always believed that their prosperity would only increase but all that is about to change. and it has something to do with global development. economist bronco milan of it has examined the consequences of globalization and number crunching large amounts of data on it his conclusion people's income has risen but not uniformly. or when we look at globalization and we are when we say about globalization we are really talking about the period of the last twenty five to thirty years and we have two large groups of people who you can say are the winners of globalization the first group already belong to the rich one percent of the world and they are getting richer and richer. particular interest of the middle classes in asia especially in india and china where the income of two billion people has grown strongly they other winners of globalization unlike the lower middle classes of the u.s. and the industrialized countries of europe income is also stagnating in germany. the group that you can say are lower there is although they have not really lost in real terrorism but certainly they have not gained very much or a globalization are people from the lower parts of the income distribution in the rich countries so it's actually lower middle class of germany the united states or japan or france and they have incomes today that they had like twenty years ago. we managed to pull two billion people in india and china out of poverty house this is an incredibly positive development pulls it out of the. same time it's true that the lower middle classes whether in mannheim or michigan or middle class or haven't got a lot out of it in the last twenty years because when i speak up if you type in essence on the show they conclude most see in concrete terms it means that if europe fails to link globalization with principles of social justice there is a long term risk of a rupture between globalization and the lower strata of the population. just because we're. back in munich thomas clouse knows now for sure that his plant is slated for closure if the management gets its way parts of the business will probably also be relocated to areas where production is a lot cheaper. in god none of us in the who no matter how long the situation lasts there will come a time when i won't be working a kilometer away from our apartment is i income and this is what i want have the income and security i have now from this year and then i'll have to take a look at what i'll be able to afford with marked i'll also be back on the job market and that won't be easy i'm well aware of that and there will be considerable up peoples which i'll give you when i was young for example the from inbetweeners the family budget will no longer cover the flat we have now. the housing market in leipzig is very competitive as in all german metropolitan regions people are moving to the city center here real estate investors smell high returns rents of risen by twenty five percent in the last five years affordable three to four room apartment soundtrack. if they have to move thomas class his family would probably have to relocate to the cheaper edge of town. ted my place construction done here is in the luxury segment it's like everywhere isn't it you know the situation in the big cities and i think we're on exactly the same sort of spiral here. and truly course that would be attractive but given our current situation i need to give that much thought to one common staff. and former. priest often a is also building rental apartments here he says they are affordable two rooms for seven hundred euros excluding services. that's twelve year olds a square meter. so while it's new to me it's not the most expensive it's not the classiest but it says something that has style quality meaning and saw. i'm very proud of it because i'd like to live here myself in one. event and we want to become the v.w. of real estate so we need to step on the gas. i mean it's also impresses his children they get asked about him at school. you know is going to class mates say things like. is that the one from the c.g. group if you can and you drive up in from the playground and they're watching you and they google c.g. group and say do you know what your father does. suddenly my son comes home and says daddy is this what you do that's the kind of thing that gives you a little bit of pleasure all of a sudden he's interested and it's a mixture of pride respect and a bit of sadness because i also know that the time i spent here is sometimes at the expense of the family i think. you're going out in the basement of the old barn and postal bank building which kind his company is currently renovating. she doesn't want to. spend furnishing company fits out apartments including ones built by ha ha spent. the condos want to shield grandchildren from their luxuries lifestyle as much as they can. that's being. that's why we decided to send them to boarding school there among their peers there. and they don't get what's going on at home every day. they don't have to see the events we go to we go out or what we look like when we dress up for a ball or something. i mean. at boarding school there are rules and all the children are treated the same. here in berlin not. all the children of the tsunami there are children who have rich parents or poor parents in spearfish no one and there's a lot of tension among the children about what they have that the others don't know how to master anthony sometime i picked up my middle daughter from confirmation class and suddenly she hid in the front foot well. and i my perspective when i asked her what she was doing she said. the other children can see me sitting in this car. those are the problems they have to deal with this and that. was in the clark. campaign as if that's what it was because i know there are a lot of situations where they have it easier but there are also situations where they have to compromise. because. there are a lot. of . it's important to tomas on cotton cost that they and their children can stay exactly where they are. numbers don't miss it so there's a very good social environment here as soon as there are the typical groups here where you think there's that child even have a chance at all the home the parental and social environment all the exert a strong influence on them. and i get to see my friends from kindergarten back in school and surely you know none. his friends will go to the same school as him and he knows where it is that he's already thinking about who will be in his class we have to do everything to keep it this way. the more uncertain the future the more important the children's opportunities become when the middle classes fear for their jobs they also fear relegation at stanford university the downward trend has already been confirmed by figures economist raj jetty has evaluated how income has changed over generations he describes a trend that is discernible not only in the u.s. but also in germany ninety two percent of children born in one nine hundred forty earn more than their parents did but then if you look at how that's a volved over time you see a pattern that has come to be known as the fading american dream where that steadily falls over time such that if you look at kids who are turning thirty today kids born in the middle of the one nine hundred eighty s. only fifty percent of them are earning more than their parents did and in particular they're going to likely to be the globalization if they don't have high levels of education because one of the benefits of a higher level of education makes individuals more flexible more able to move from one job to another because education is maybe not the only means but it's certainly the primary means by which people can improve their own lot in life and pursue those goals that they have. the promise that the next generation will be better off as always being counted the german identity and modest central european variant of the american dream but if that promise is broken it has consequences. parents will try to maximize their own children's opportunities in life the struggle for status begins with the choice of elementary school. marcus costello is a nurse at a hospital in baltimore he has a five year old son louis who he doesn't want on camera lewis will be going to school in autumn. costello is afraid that his son will not receive proper support at a public school so he has registered him at a private school a waldorf school at the moment. at the moment he is so far ahead that he can already read and write and so want to control the public schools would probably concentrate on the worst in the class first or the down time you have in school was a decisive factor for me. as well as the different social environment as you could be in. a number or heard cost out himself went to a public school run down buildings and big classes with the teachers standing at the front he wants to spare his son that but it doesn't come cheap. charts are not written by tough there's a monthly contribution to ducted as a percentage of your salary let the highest contribution is five hundred fifty euros a month. or neuter and then there's a building fee that's three thousand two hundred euros for the entire school generation are told from for another the costs for lunch and supervision from the north of two bridge ones cost for each other similar to but for answers from. the fucking shite district in bulk on more than one in five inhabitants here have a migration background and back to shite is home to most of the city's unemployed people. right in the middle of it is the vedas surely. because costello has registered his son here it's a walled all school which are private alternative schools like most schools privileges all secular they are largely financed with tax money because all children can go here at least in theory. kasten franca is a teacher them she guides interested parents through the campus. of a board. is like class and you're doing great math i'm going to have to spell come back again at the end of the year and see how they found out. that. there is one teacher here for every ten children there are only thirty four pupils in each year in the neighboring public school there are twice as many most of the time the children are divided into two processors. that's great bella now you can start with the file. which i'd like to introduce me and mocha. you are all. such as not so once this is of course the attraction for all the students a real highlight the idea is to give our city kids an experience of what nature is . not the worst enemy and where does our breakfast come from not from the supermarket. there's a school garden a school circus a theater stage a sculptor's workshop a canteen and music clubs wasn't consistent for you was it is instruments are important for their early musical education is virtually want everyone to experience the success of creating sound. and come. down on top. of the proportion of migrant children children with a migrant background is relatively low here so that's something we don't like at all but it's obviously because they think it's a private school we can't afford it. that's come on mars. we have two groups who come here and one is a big turkish family it's like a clan that's branched out more and more and so we get the cousins of the cousins who have already been here and. by chance of the hundreds if it's like that of a cousy india cuisine their cuisine down on. this issue as a moot point i know it's all about word of mouth the second our children here with an african heritage it on time the. tory backgrounds that we have children from here all but there are only two or three children per class not more not yet. not unused. to randomly selected school classes one from a walled off school in town or in purple t. shirts and one from a comprehensive school in cologne skulk district in white. and the question to everyone do you speak another language at home other than german. plant do you sometimes help your parents to translate into german. bund segregation is just getting worse. so would you target both the total number of private schools and the number of private elementary schools have gone up a lot recently. in fact the number of private students has increased by thirty percent in the last twenty years. the increase has been especially noticeable in elementary schools here the number of private schools has quadrupled. in the computer dash because your parents willing to pay for it and do nothing to counter it and the. also there are schools that need these high school she or think they need them to provide a good education and most importantly we have an administration that neither has the situation under control nor wants to control it. on average the state covers two thirds of the costs of private schools most of the rest is paid by the parents this is how the public school administration saves money research is estimated could be as much as two point four billion euros a year since these private schools operate placing public schools the state has to ensure there are affordable gemini's basic law states the private alternative schools might only exist if everyone can afford them. to her because transmission include because it's the current state of affairs is not compatible with the basic law and the main problem here is that the german states which should be monitoring the basic law do next to nothing the put a stop to these discrepancies. these a value don't truly. a new issue of schools as well as other independently sponsored schools boast that they are good schools and many of them are. untrue they have an educational principle that successful so why don't they take it over into the public school system and that's what i'm wondering this is made up i checked. the state is supposed to ensure that good opportunities for children do not depend on their parents' money because that often doesn't happen others take on part of the responsibility such as the patrons of the laughing hearts foundation charity god lynn where christoph connor is also the evening's host. i slept for four hours but i have enough energy for ten days there's a lot at stake today we have to collect money for the children we're really motivated. because few children in cannes have been invited and stand for the rich and glamorous. about and senator for health care and equality is here. it's nice to see all you beautiful people and you're doing something good i'm going to thank you so much for that you see i thank. the patron naseer she doesn't have a say in what happens with a detonation money but at least she has climbed on a side that both committed to saving children from going down dangerous parts in life it's just to me the girls end up on the street that's how far it goes it tears my heart apart that cannot happen this time. yet good look at known from a children's talent show sings for the crowds. it's an event supported by the tax package. we see here this is a sword that's yes you know donations are tax deductible wonderful absence and so i end the state pays half and we pay the other half i do and i have to. say that i have to do a little heidi klum here from germany's next top model. girl we have to do something with your outfits. because you sing about a president who would like to make you a present for tonight's an evening dress. i. thank you i. thank you thank thank. you. it's been different i absolutely don't think we should be orienting ourselves around the slower and weaker members of society but what i am quite sure of is that it will be joe. by how we did the strong performers i used to deal with the fact that there are lower performers and people who struggle in society like children or people who have fallen into poverty that's how we'll be judged to be intimacy then. what does someone who can afford anything do. who doesn't want more money but more influence does wealth health and political participation possibly even more than is good for democracy. the seaman's employees and making photo greetings cards for them managers. will see that their decisions affect people. now and right now we feel powerless. meanwhile kristoff going to is still fighting to stay globally competitive. and for that their investors also need your support in the future so who really has the power. to say they have the power of god you. enter the conflict zone with tim sebastian. i'll be challenging those in power asking tough questions demanding the same. as conflicts intensify i'll be meeting with keep players on the ground in the senses of. cutting through the rhetoric holding the powerful to account for facts the conflict zone. conflict the conflict zone with two intervention it spawns d w w's. boy. this is g.w. news laudrup from berlin to bring in our correspondent ophelia harms or really she joins us from rio de janeiro we are here to find out what happened with music of a correspondent summed up it's just not and we do have some of breaking news that's coming into us now a good job of the first close or a b.m.w. news thank you for joining us. germany state by state. the most colorful. the 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