those allegations laid out in a document by democrats from 23 former colleagues of dr. jackson. much more on that in just a moment, but i want to bring in now former u.s. attorney michael moore. thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate it. michael, i m going to start with you. we learned tonight that michael cohen is going to assert the fifth amendment in the stormy daniels case. what does that mean to her in the criminal investigation in new york? i think it s not unexpected that he would do this. i mean basically what happens now for the stormy daniels case is there s likely to be some type of stay in the action. the judge may halt discovery for a period of time. and here s the reason. cohen doesn t want to be in a position where he s answering deposition questions and discovery questions trying to defend himself in the stormy daniels action while at the same time place himself in a position of jeopardy by implicating himself potentially in his own criminal case.
people like michael cohen, we re going to try to wind this up, get it done with. it is strange, giuliani spoke almost as if this is a piece of civil litigation, that you can just go settle. this is a criminal kourpt intelligence investigation. you don t stop a grand jury and prosecutor with a settlement as if it is a civil lawsuit. but yeah, i think the messages are being sent in every direction to people, hold tight. matt miller, one thing that s striking about the conversation around michael cohen is that all the president s allies put the goalpost as between he s guilty and he will go to jail, or he s guilty and he will cooperate with prosecutors and incriminate the president. the whole conversation around cohen doesn t even contemplate for sort of a sea full of people who lie about big things and small things, no one s even pretending that cohen doesn t have the capacity to incriminate the president. yeah. i actually think that s the most remarkable thing about this. it is the
michael cohen might wear a wire to entrap you. so jay goldberg who knows these players, is saying something in stronger terms than michael avenatti has ever used. i think michael avenatti is watching michael cohen from the similar distance of the rest of us and doesn t know him the way that jay goldberg knows this situation. donald trump made that call because he values that advice and now donald trump has to consider that advice as he goes forward. i think he should pick up the phone and call somebody else. jay goldberg should not have been blabbing to the wall street journal about the advice he gave his client. that is attorney/client. so goldberg in my book is not behaving like a sane and sensible lawyer. secondly he gave trump the world s worst advice, suggesting he could choose not to sit down with special prosecutor robert mueller. that is false. it s not a choice. you can decide he doesn t want to cooperate, but eventually
stronger terms than michael avenatti has ever used. i think michael avenatti is watching michael cohen from the similar distance of the rest of us and doesn t know him the way that jay goldberg knows this situation. donald trump made that call because he values that advice and now donald trump has to consider that advice as he goes forward. i think he should pick up the phone and call somebody else. jay goldberg should not have been blabbing to the wall street journal about the advice he gave his client. that is attorney/client. so goldberg in my book is not behaving like a sane and sensible lawyer. secondly he gave trump the world s worst advice, suggesting he could choose not to sit down with special prosecutor robert mueller. that is false. it s not a choice. you can decide he doesn t want to cooperate, but eventually he ll get a subpoena and eventually he ll have to go talk to him. i m not sure what mr. goldberg s game is, but donald trump should
he ll get a subpoena and eventually he ll have to go talk to him. i m not sure what mr. goldberg s game is, but donald trump should go out and get a real, real lawyer. now as far as go ahead. as far as the advice for mr. cohen, i think it is inconceivable that cohen doesn t know things that are going to help both the new york prosecutor and the special prosecutor. remember, michael cohen was the one who was pursuing the trump tower in moscow deal. felix saider is the one who lived in the building and helped funds donald trump s project. michael cohen is the one who has the connection both to russia and the women. he s the nexus for both these parallel scandals going on. i agree with john on this point, there s no way in heck, michael cohen is going to jail for anybody. so to the extent he knows both