for this hour. remember to follow me on twitter and catch me every sunday night on kasie dc. ali picks things up. thank you. have yourself an excellent afternoon. talks to begin impeachment are intensifying. chairman jerry nadler gavelled into hearing that was supposed to feature don mcgahn but for the second time this month for the committee, the witness chair was empty. that s because the president instructed mcgahn to defy the subpoena to testify complying with that instruction. mcgahn s lawyer wrote mcgahn must honor his ethical and legal obligations. in short, it s our view that the committ committee s dispute is not with mr. mcgahn but with the white house. that response didn t sit well with nadler. the president took it upon
trump tower negotiations ending in january that was part of your original draft was false. he knew it was false? to which cohen responded? yes, sir. for more on this, we turn to ken dilanian. ken, why are we just getting a chance to see this testimony now first of all? very simply, the democrats who run this committee want to make as much evidence as they can public. they believe this testimony and evidence sheds light on obstructive conduct between the president and those around him. the mueller report isn t delivering the kind of message they thought it would, it s up to them to bring that message home to the public. so this piece of the transcript, cohen seems to be implicating secolow. there was suggestion that he saw it and didn t say anything about it. why are we convinced that this or are we convinced that jay secolow asked cohen to lie?
himself to intimidate a witness who has a legal obligation to be here today. this committee will hear mr. mcgahn s testimony even if we have to go to court to secure it. we will not allow the president to prevent the american people from hearing from this witness. we ll not allow the president to block congressional issue pea n subpoenas putting himself and his allies above the law. kelly, where are we at now? reporter: one of the important things we have to be looking for is changes in the force field of democratic reaction. we have known for a long time there s many democrats who believe there s been offenses committed by the president that would rise to the level of impeachment. that s a different calculation than whether there should be an impeachment proceeding that begins which can be a long
gives the chairman broad power to demand the tax returns of white house officials. in this case the white house official is the president. we re learning that committee might be taking that request one step further. they are looking at the pblt toy of broadening the request to ask for donald trump s business returns. now trump owns more than 500 companies and teentities. that means donald trump s business is not really a business in the sense we understand it. those more than 500 companies are all a series of llcs that normally should show up on your personal income taxes. that setup is common in the new york real estate business. so for the cop mitt mmittee, th step is to get trump s personal returns and look for the 500 plus llcs and if they are not listed, step two is to try to get donald trump s business tax returns. so it could get complicated. the chairman of the house weighs and means committee tells
been taking advantage of the situation. congressman, thank you. appreciate your time tonight. thanks for having me on. if this report is accurate, someone in the white house leaked documents and how jared kushner and ivanka trump got their security clearances refusing to hand over that committ committee. how big of a change is that? how worried should the white house be? joining us is nbc presidential historian michael. thanks, joy. give us the answer to that question. how unprecedented is it for the white house to refuse to hand over documents of this sensitive nature related to national seek cu security? that s the thing. anyone complaining the trump white house is not full of invasions, this is one of them. usually you see someone in the white house leaking something to the press and if there is an investigation in congress, the