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it's more of a custom inside the justice department. it doesn't say that there can't be an investigation 60 days out from an election. what it says is the norm is that there isn't an overt move in an investigation dealing with an elected official or somebody on the ballot at 60 days before the election. for example, a subpoena, an indictment or pushing to get an interview during that window. that's true. but at the same time -- you alluded to this, wolf -- giuliani is conceding that if there is no resolution between now and labor day, which is effectively the september deadline he's talking about, that it might not be the worst thing in the world politically, not legally but politically to give the republicans a rallying point to kind of protect the president, not unlike what you heard devin nunes say on that tape. to protect the president from
democrats who may want to impeach him. now, that's obviously a stretch, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it's a talking point for republicans. >> some legal scholars have pointed out that sort of that tradition of not going after people on the ballot involves members of the house, members of the senate who are up for reelection, but the president himself is not up for reelection thanchts . >> that's true. he's not on the ballot technically, but when you're dealing with the president of the united states, he's always on the ballot in a metaphoric way. in this particular election year, there is going to have a referendum on this president and he's out campaigning for people. so, yes, it is a very unique situation that you're dealing with a president under investigation. so i think it's probably something that will be concluded by all sides that it should apply in his case. >> stand by. we're going to be getting back to you soon. i want to get some more on all of this.
republican congressman ted yo of florida is joining us. thanks for joining us. >> you bet, wolf. great to hear you. >> is it appropriate, congressman, for the president's attorney rudy giuliani to be treating this investigation as a political football by dragging out the interview negotiations with robert mueller and suggesting, you know what, if there's no interview, that might be good in generating support among the president's base going into the midterm elections? >> you know, i think rudy giuliani is doing what he thinks is best for the president to move forward. this investigation really needs to go away. it was set up on russian collusion and russian meddling in our election. we know they meddled. there is no evidence of collusion. the fisa warrants were issued on those pretenses. >> excuse me for interrupting, but we don't know what mueller has. he's been very silent.
we don't know if he has evidence of collusion or conspiracy or cooperation or any of those areas. we know the investigation is continuing. but you know how this investigation can be wrapped up right away? if the president agrees to sit down with the special counsel and his team and answer questions. why not simply do that? >> i don't see a need for that. i would defer to rudy giuliani again. this investigation should go away. it was set up on a false pretense. we've read the memos. there is no collusion. they're going to drag this out. this thing just needs to go away so we can get on with the nation's business. we talk about our debt, we talk about these other threats. this is a distraction. think how much more we could get done in congress as a nation if we got rid of this witch hunt. >> i just want to correct you. you keep saying it's a false pretense. do you agree the russians did meddle in the u.s. presidential elections in 2016? >> there's no doubt about that.
>> all of the members of the u.s. intelligence community agree, including the president's own director of national intelligence and cia director and everyone else. >> sure. >> isn't that part of the investigation that robert mueller and his team are -- >> we know that happened. >> -- to learn all of the lessons and to see if there was any cooperation whether with george papadopoulos or any of the trump advisors working in that area? >> you know, i think after a year, year and a half and millions of dollars, i believe they would have found it by now. >> how do you know they haven't found it if we don't know the results of mueller's investigation? >> well, he should have come out with it by now. >> he's waiting to speak to the president, though. >> the president hasn't been charged with anything and he hasn't shown any wrongdoing. so i don't know if i would sit down with robert mueller if it was me. i don't believe i would. >> they usually wait for the
principal in this particular case to be the final element in the investigation. >> that gives the prosecutor a leg up to sit down with him. you know, if i were president trump, i don't believe i would. i'd listen to rudy giuliani. >> the whole point, though, and it's a simple notion that all of us grew up with. our parent always told us, if you have nothing to hide, go ahead and speak the truth and you won't be in trouble. what is the president and his lawyers afraid of in sitting down and answering questions if the president didn't do anything wrong? >> i agree. i think we'd like to hear what was said on the plane with bill clinton and loretta lynch. let's hear what that brings out. again, they've had a year and a half to find something. obviously they don't have anything. they're dragging this out. i disagree with that. >> all that stuff with bill clinton and loretta lynch and all that other stuff with hillary clinton has been thoroughly investigated. you saw the inspector general's report and the department of
justice came out with a lengthy report. they've reviewed it in detail. this is a separate matter right now. let's get into another issue, because you're always kind to join us here. the recently uncovered recording of your colleague, the house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes telling republican donors that republicans need to keep the majority in the house of representatives. and then he suggested in order to protect president trump from the special counsel's investigation. do you think it's your job to protect the president of the united states from this kind of investigation? >> before i answer that, i listened to that recording seven times and i never heard the word protect. what i heard devin nunes say at the end of that is if we don't keep the majority, all this goes away. you know, the tax cuts go away, the reforms we made with regulations, they go away. so you can read that protect in there. i did not hear the word protect.
so i don't know if that's conjecture. i didn't hear that portion of it. i've listened to your show for the last hour listening to that and i played it back over and over again. >> if that's his goal to protect the president, as you know the legislative branch is coequal with the executive branch. >> right. >> your mission is to do what's necessary to protect the american people, not necessarily the president of the united states. >> absolutely. >> if he's making that suggestion, you've got to have a republican majority in order to make sure the president doesn't have to deal with robert mueller, that's not necessarily appropriate, is it? >> well, again, i didn't hear the word protect. you're putting that word in there. i heard that all this goes away. again, i think devin nunes was talking about all the gains we've had, the historic low unemployment, the minimum wage going up across the country, over 4 million people getting bonuses and the millions of people that have gotten
increased pay because of the tax cut that we passed. that's what i think devin nunes was talking about when i heard that tape. he's talking about all that goes away. >> you're right. the word protect specifically is not included in this statement. but clearly it's implied. >> let's leave that out of this discussion. >> i could play that clip for you one more time. certainly if you hear what he's saying about robert mueller and his investigation, the need for a republican majority in the house of representatives, the implication is that you've got to keep a republican majority to make sure the president is protected. >> well, we want to keep a republican majority because we like the crumbs that are coming in and the american people do too. they sent us up there to do what we've done, and we want to make sure the agenda of the republican party and this president stays intact with the ga gains we've made. i agree with devin nunes. if we lose that majority, all
those gains go away and you'll have nancy pelosi on the house floor rallying for eight hours to protect the people here illegally and they'll have open borders and get rid of the tax cuts and god knows what else. i stand with devin nunes on that comment. i did not hear the word protect. i hope that the media gets that right and says the word protect was not in that statement. i think that's a little false advertising. >> we get your point. but it was certainly implied if not specifically used, that one word protect. >> that's a little thin. >> we can leave it on that and let the viewers make up their mind to see what he was driving at. let me get your thoughts. you're a member of the house foreign affairs committee. on these latest sanctions against russia for the poisoning of an ex-russian spy on british soil, including his daughter as well. these sanctions are required by u.s. law, but the administration
didn't implement them until the chairman of the foreign affairs committee wrote to the white house in late july, saying you've got to do this because it's the law of the land. you're a member of the foreign affairs committee. do you want the administration to be more proactive about combatting russian misbehavior? >> yes, absolutely. chairman royce, i have the utmost respect for him. if he's leading us, i'm 100% behind it. these are tools that we've come up with of arrows in a quiver that an administration can use. if we don't use the tools, whether it's russia, china, north korea or iran, we're weakening our hand. i agree with chairman royce. when you ever a nefarious actor like russia that you know is meddling in our elections and there's evidence that they're doing it again, we need to act on that. that's why we put in our cyber security response and deterrence
act that will go after these and gives the legislative branch more tools to give an executive branch to hold bad actors accountable. it's time we start using them. >> you got a pretty strong endorsement on twitter today from the president of the united states. i'm sure you're pretty happy about that. i see that broad smile coming from you. always good to have you here. >> i appreciate it. thank you for the opportunity. just ahead, the judge in the paul manafort trial clashes repeatedly with prosecutors. what does it mean for the mueller investigation? plus, much more on rudy giuliani's fear that mueller is simply setting what he calls a perjury trap for the president. is jew my father passed this truck down to me,
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his more than 20 interviews he's had now with the special counsel. the prosecutors said those discussions up by the bench. they'd like to keep them secret, because it relates to an ongoing investigation, an ongoing criminal investigation. what are the two things that the special counsel is looking into? it's paul manafort's financial dealings. the other one is that key issue of russian interference in the election and the possibility, if it exists, of the trump campaign cooperating with the russians into the interference in that election. what that filing makes clear is that the special counsel is talking to rick gates, someone who is very high in the trump campaign, deputy campaign chairman, in fact. they're still talking to him, they're asking him questions and that that question, at least as described by the prosecutors in the filing, is an ongoing criminal investigation. they're still relying on him and his testimony still relevant to
that open question. >> important point. jim sciutto, thank you very much. let's dig deeper into all of this. jeffrey toobin is joining us. how unusual is it for a federal judge to admonish a prosecutor like this? and how unusual is it for that same judge to then apologize in front of the jury? >> judge ellis is a bully and a disgrace. his behavior in the courtroom is appalling. there are many ways that judges can keep a disciplined courtroom that can move cases along quickly without berating and embarrassing the lawyers, especially when the judge was wrong. the issue that came up was, he yelled at the prosecutors because they allowed an expert witness to remain in the courtroom and listen to other testimony, but he had previously allowed expert witnesses, explicitly said it was okay for them to be in the courtroom.
and grudging hi the iningly thi said, well, probably i was wrong. not probably, definitely he was wrong. it is unusual because most judges are better and less arrogant than this judge is. you know, i don't think it will affect the outcome of the trial, but i think it's a poor model in a high profile case. >> let's turn to rudy giuliani's latest remarks to our own dana bash. he says he might not mind dragging out the russia investigation because it could help fire up the republican base ahead of the midterm elections. what did you make of that comment from the president's attorney? >> i think he may be right. if you look at how rudy giuliani has conducted his defense in public, it has been basically an attempt to rally the base to convince the president's supporters that robert mueller is a thug, that robert mueller is on a witch hunt. and it's been pretty successful according to the polls.
robert mueller is powerless to defend himself. he does not comment in the media. he only has people who are on the outside who are commenting on his behalf. and we can argue about whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that rudy giuliani is talking this way. but is he right about how the politics play out? at the margins, he may well be right that the fight with mueller keeps his base motivated. >> thank you so much. jeffrey toobin is our legal analyst. just ahead, more on the newly leaked recording of the house intelligence committee chairman talking about protecting trump from the special counsel robert mueller. we're going to play the clip for our viewer. and breaking news, the death toll climbs in california's fire disaster, plus new details of the man suspected of starting one of the blazes and how he taunted a firefighter by text. see that's funny, i thought you traded options. i'm not really a wall street guy. what's the hesitation? eh, it just feels too complicated, you know? well sure, at first, but jj can help you with that.
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situation where -- this puts us in such a tough spot. if sessions won't un-recuse and mueller won't clear the president, we're the only ones. which is really the danger. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. >> what's your analysis? >> it's a protection racket. i mean, he wants to protect the president. if you want to say, look, we need to keep the republican majority because we need to do more on tax reform or, you know, we want to do more on trade, we want to get rid of nafta, whatever it is, fine, fine. those are issues. what he's talking about is protecting the president from bob mueller, the special counsel. you know, he's also saying if we did this now, if we tried to
impeach rod rosenstein, if we impeach rod rosenstein, we're going to hold up the confirmation of cavanaugh for the supreme court, which people would argue is probably a little bit more important. so let's hold off on impeaching the deputy attorney general until after the election. so let's make sure we can keep this majority. and by the way, use this as an issue in the election, which is what they're going to do. >> rebecca berg, you didn't hear the word protect, but the whole upshot of this is that if there's no republican majority in the house of representatives, mueller and sessions doesn't un-recuse himself and mueller won't clear the president, the republican majority is the only one that can prevent this real danger to the president of the united states from unfolding. so the protection is clearly implied there, even if that word
protect is not used. >> absolutely. it's clear what devin nunes here is saying. it's not necessarily surprising that he would think this, that he would believe this. but to hear a house committee chairman, much less the intelligence committee chairman, give voice to these feelings is rather stunning. two things, first, because of what it says about his investigation, about the work that he has done on the intelligence committee. it casts doubt on everything the h -- he has done. it racises questions about his impartiality. then it's also playing right into the hand of democrats politically. they have been arguing that they need to come to washington to be a check on the president, because republicans won't do it. that's exactly what devin nunes here is saying. >> congress is supposed to be a coequal branch of government with oversight responsibilities, responsibilities to the american
public, not necessarily to the executive branch, including the president. >> right. a coequal article i branch of government that's supposed to be loyal to the constitution, not to the president of their own party. i think republicans in the house have at times played this fairly partisan even in comparison to republicans in the senate. what makes congressman nunes stand out is that if you look at some of his statements, that statement, his actions going to the skiff at the white house last spring to try and look at documents to backstop the president's claim about the obama administration spying on him. the difference between him and some of his colleagues is he doesn't seem to mind that we all perceive him that way. he is riding for trump and that is what makes him stand out. >> what do you make of congressman devin nunes's remarks? >> are you kidding me? if this were a serious process, we're going to get either indictments or i suspect we're going to get a written report
atteat the end of this process by mueller that will include the facts of the investigation. a real committee -- look at the senate intel committee led by republican senator richard bu burr very honorably looking at the russia process and saying why don't we consider a fact. devin nunes is saying, i don't care what mueller find, we're supposed to be a block on the mueller process. if you gave nunes the f and the a, he couldn't spell fact. all he says is we've got to block what they do. the senate's got this right. the house never has. >> the funny thing about congressman nunes that surprises me sometimes is that president trump is loyal to no one that's not named trump. it's a wonder why he thinks that if at any point it becomes useful to the president to say congressman nunes, who? never heard of the guy. he used to get coffee for us. he probably will do that based on his track record.
so why is he sticking to closely to him? it's hard to say. >> new statistics coming out from puerto rico to the hurricanes, the death toll from last year's hurricanes in puerto rico, irma and maria. now 1,427 people were killed from this hurricane, as opposed to about 60 originally mentioned in the early statistics. it's approaching hurricane ka trina at 1,833. these are american citizens on puerto rico. what are your thoughts on the new information from the government of puerto rico? >> i think the united states government needs to do an accounting, a public accounting of what occurred here and what went wrong. the president was saying things were going great, the electric grid was up, you know, the 40-odd deaths were unfortunate but things were going well.
i mean, now you're talking about a huge number of people who have perished. where is the president? and where are the departments here of government talking about what went wrong afteraction, what they can do better, why it didn't work, where were the resources? and we're not hearing that. we're not hearing that. look, there's so much else going on, you know, we're talking about children being separated from their parents at the border, we're talking about the russia investigation, we're talking about russia. we're talking about nato. there is so much incoming right now that it's hard to kind of focus on what occurred months and months ago. but these are people, americans, americans who died who were not given assistance that they
needed. at some point, the buck stops with the president of the united states. >> let's play what the president said in the immediate aftermath of the hurricanes in puerto rico. listen to this. >> we saved a lot of lives. if you look at the -- every death is a horror, but if you look at a real catastrophe like katrina and you look at the hundreds of people that died and you look at what happened here with really a storm that was just totally overpowering. what is your death count as of this moment, 17? >> 16. >> 16 people certified. 16 people versus in the thousands. you can be very proud of all of your people, all of our people working together. 16 versus literally thousands of people. >> we now know, according to the government of puerto rico, 1,427 people were killed in those
hurricanes. >> right. so it really puts the president's comments in a whole new light, wolf. maybe the president shouldn't have been celebrating that moment in the first place. i mean, it's one thing to praise the government workers, the first responders who in light of a natural disaster of that magnitude are responding and trying to save lives. certainly the president should thank them and praise their work. but to try to take credit in that moment, to talk about those at the time 16 lives -- now we know it to be thousands of lives lost -- as if they were points on a scoreboard rather than people who are now dead whose families will never see them again, the president doesn't only have an obligation as an executive but also as a moral leader, as an emotional leader in moments of crisis and disaster. and you really didn't see that from president trump in this case. >> you've got to blame the governor in puerto rico too for
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president trump's reelection campaign is trying to raise money off of today's announcement launching the president's space force by selling branded merchandise and asking supporters to vote on a logo. our pentagon correspondent barbara starr joins us. the vice president mike pence was over there today laying out a very ambitious plan for this new military branch. what's the latest? >> reporter: once you get past the idea of political fund-raising off of the u.s. military, the question on the table is this. there is a threat, becauut does trump administration even have the right solution? >> space force. >> space force, space force! >> space force. so we have the army, the navy, the air force, the marines, the coast guard. now we're going to have the space force because -- we need
it. >> reporter: at the pentagon, vice president mike pence unveiling the white house plan. >> the time has come to establish the united states' space force. >> reporter: pence making the case the u.s. is under threat. >> russia, china, to north korea and iran have pursued weapons to jam, blind and disable our navigation and communication satellites. >> reporter: in 2007, china used a missile to destroy one of its own out of date satellites. what if it had been targeting u.s. satellites? >> what that means is that it put every single thing that we have in space at risk. that includes gps communications. it include all of the communication satellites that we have, all of the things we depend on nowadays for our daily life, was all of a sudden put at risk by that one action by the chinese in 2007. >> reporter: the kremlin working on a similar threat. >> russia's been designing an airborne laser to disrupt our space based system and it claims
to be developing missiles that can be launched from aircraft mid flight to destroy american satellites. >> reporter: defense secretary james mattis was initially unenthusiastic about adding more bureacracy to the pentagon, telling congress in 2017, i do not wish to add a separate service that would likely present a narrower and even parochial approach to space operations. mattis now says he's on board with the plan. congress would have to approve a new branch of the military. and there are questions if more military offices are the right solution for a 21st century threat. >> i think this is maybe the wrong bureaucracy for >> so if there was a successful attack against a satellite, it could be catastrophic and push american life back into the 1940s or '50s because of that
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51-year-old forest gordon clark. now behind bars and facing several felony arson charges. and if convicted, could face the rest of his life in prison. >> you know how this fire started? >> i have no idea. i was asleep. i had two ear plugs in. i just woke up, dude. i got burned. i woke up and my stuff was all on fire. >> this is a monster. humidity and high wind and the highest heat temperatures this time of the year and intentionally set the forest on fire? >> he needs to be in jail for the rest of his life. truly does. >> holy gym volunteer fire chief mike milligan has known clark for decades and showed us a tech he says clark sent him just weeks ago. "it's also going to burn, just like you planned," it read. alleged behavior milligan said he warned officials of in the past. i said, you have to take care of this or he's going to burn something or kill somebody.
and that was three years ago. >> reporter: california's warm and dry conditions, including july, registering as the hottest month on error -- record here have created the perfect storm for wildfires. nearly 17,000 structures are threatened by three fires alone, as thousands of people have evacuated their homes. more than 13,000 firefighters are battling 19 major fires across the entire state, including what has already become the largest in california's history, the mendocino complex fire. on the front lines, a firsthand glimpse at how they're trying to fight it. controlled burns help get rid of any potential fuel that could help spread the wildfire. this fire is huge, but why has it been able to grow so big? >> our first priority is protecting the communities and the homes. secondly, in building our control lines, we have to use a national lly occurring geograph features to help us control the fire. >> reporter: back in southern california, residents here are
grappling with the possibility that this destruction may be intention al intentional. already the second wildfire authorities here are calling arson. >> i have to say, i'm not surprised, however, i feel -- i just feel terrible that this has all gone down. >> reporter: and if you take a look right now, it looks like that fire is getting closer to that structure there. this is the concern, this is what they're trying to stop. but take a look also, wolf, at the thickness, the darkness of the smoke here. that tells you that it is finding new fire, new brush to burn through, and if you look to the right, you can see how clear it is, to show you that this darkness you're seeing here is strictly from the fire and the smoke here. the lake is over there, that is where they're going to pull up water from helicopters, from plains, to fight this fire, but, obviously, when you come this close to civilization, this is where the concern is and this is where they're battling right now. >> stephanie elam on the scene for us. let's bring in chief mike mueller, the deputy director of communications for cal fire.
he's joining us now on the phone. chief, give us the latest on the progress you're making. is there any end in sight? >> right now, wolf, thank you for having us. what we're seeing right now across the state is explosive fire growth. like you mentioned, we have other 13,000 firefighters engaged. unfortunately, what we're going to see is red flag warnings throughout northern california, increased high temperatures in southern california, so it's really a statewide emergency. >> what's the toughest challenge for your firefighters out there on the front lines? >> i think right now, you know, one of the fires -- the mendocino complex being the largest in the state history, again, we're recovering, still not, from a drought of six years of dead and dying fuels, explosive fire growth, very difficult country, and then as you can see on the holy fire, what we call the wildland urban interface makes it very difficult for firefighters to get in there and protect property. >> do you expect the weather to shift in your favor anytime soon? >> we don't, for the next, unfortunately, seven days, the weather outlook is not in our favor. we have a lot of open fire line
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saw as obvious that he is all about protecting trump. good afternoon, everyone. we begin with the politics lead. president trump seemingly signaling he could be taking some sort of move against the special counsel investigation tweeting out a series of debunked claims about the probe before writing quote stay tuned. it was eight days ago that the president tweeted that attorney general jeff sessions should stop the mueller investigation. keep in mind this president did fire the then fbi director with the russia probe foremost on his mind. we could hear directly from the president as he is hosting a round table event from new jersey and also possibly factoring in the stand off between him and mueller about whether the president will ever sit for an interview. rudy giuliani saying the president will not answer mueller's questions about his decision to fire comey or any e
the president's lawyer rudy giuliani now saying the russia investigation could be a life line for trump in the mid term elections. giuliani telling cnn the continuance of the investigation would help because people are getting tired of it and the president needs something to energize his voters. >> it's a witch hunt hoax. >> reporter: the president repeating his rallying cry saying this is an illegally brought rigged witch hunt. his lawyers still insist they are open to having the president sit down with the special counsel if obstruction of justice questions are set aside. >> the reality is he doesn't need to ask a single question on obstruction. he has the answers. the president is not going to change his testimony. stop the nonsense. >> reporter: mueller is not commenting on the negotiations. giuliani is and seems to be inviting a mid term election show down. >> i think if it isn't over by
and the prosecutor says it. if another witness says that not the what happened, now you get charged with a crime. i think that is why lawyers are saying we don't know who is cooperating and saying what, making it up, not making it up. that is why we can't have you go in and kind of wing it with a really important investigation. it's not just that he might lie. it might be a witness that comes in and says i remember something completely different. if they find another witness that says that now he has a problem and they can charge him with perjury. >> it's a question of whether he said/he said versus he said/he said/he said. >> his decision to fire comey was only in his head. the meeting with comey in which he allegedly brought up flynn was just the two of them. i guess there are other meetings in terms of when he talked to sessions and rosenstein when
coming up for the excuse for firing comey. >> there is a constant concern among the president's advisers of the people around the president flipping on him. there is a fear that these people are going to flip on him but the never gets back to what are they flipping on him for? clearly there is a fear there. the question that bob mueller is trying to figure out is what is the fear and is there valuable information that they can turn over? >> why didn't he say donald trump would be interested in bringing this investigation to a close? i know rudy giuliani argues that. they need to keep this going. if trump refuses to speak with mueller he puts mueller in a position of i'm going to subpoena the president. why would you subpoena the president if you are not going to indict him? mueller might write his report and we know donald trump will write his report. >> his son could get wrapped up
one snapshot happened in ohio where it is neck and neck right now with senator balderson and o'connor. in a district where he won 11% of the vote, the president, it is still too close to call. i'm not sure this will necessarily energize the base in a way that gets the political calculus they are looking for. >> support for the mueller investigation keeps dropping as the president keeps waging his campaign against him. the demonizing of robert mueller is working. >> it's been incredibly effective. that is why when you look at what giuliani has said you look through a political lens. the reason he is the president's chief attorney is because he has the political experience and lens through which he views the world. when he is talking about the mid term elections and the value of drawing this out, you have to
take him seriously. you have to take the possibility seriously that the president is happy to go back and forth with robert mueller exchanges these letters about a potential interview all the way into the mid terms. that's why when we see the president having dinner with rudy giuliani tonight you have to keep in mind they are not just talking about the letter but how many more letters -- >> rudy giuliani said something completely untrue last night on fox news about the investigation and how the investigation can't even continue through the mid terms. i want you to take a listen because as a former fbi agent you know the facts. >> i think if it isn't over by september then we have a very, very serious violation of the justice department rules. you shouldn't be conducting one of these investigations in the 60-day period. >> that's not right. there was an old precedent in the fbi that if you had an investigation that didn't look like it was going to come to any
decision within 60 days of an election of an elected official then you pause for the election to happen. you didn't want to influence it. >> you don't make any announcements during it. >> you can still continue the investigation. you can do all of that. you don't stop the investigation. it doesn't mean your clock runs out. >> he said you shouldn't be conducting one of these investigations with 60 days. that's not accurate. you are not supposed to say something publically. >> they can't come out 60 days and say we are going to serve a warrant on your house this week as a part of this investigation. by the way, it's a rule that isn't really hard pressed, either. >> as james comey showed us in 2016 and other places. if you look in public corruption places around the country they have dipped into the 60-day rule for whatever extenuating circumstances. >> the trump legal team doesn't view bob mueller in the same way
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jury away from the prosecution? kara, some of these exchanges have been quite testy as i understand it. >> reporter: that's right. yesterday the judge admonished the prosecutors for reminding the judge of his ruling from the day before. this morning he came into court after prosecutors asked to address this to the jury. the judge called the jury in. he said put aside any criticism, i was probably wrong in that. this robe doesn't make me anything other than human. this is now the tenth day of the trial. you know it is tough when they began bringing in the case. they have several vendors who were the people who sold paul manafort his mercedes-benz and ostrich jacket. the judge criticized prosecutors
then when they wanted to show pictures of the evidence. the judge said mr. manafort is not on trial for having a lavish lifestyle. this is something that does happen in courts. judge ellis is a judge who likes to command his courtroom and move it along. there was an exchange that took place on a side bar where he was giving prosecutors another hard time. this is where they were just having a discussion, the judge said look at me when you are talking to me. the prosecutor responded these are not tears in my eyes, judge. the judge said they are watering. the defense hasn't began their case. we'll wait to see if the judge does take a hard line on them. it doesn't necessarily mean he is putting a thumb on the scale. this is a case with a lot of documentary evidence. it looks like he is trying to move it along especially when he sees evidence that he might be
seeing repetitiveness. >> we have assistant u.s. attorney. the judge in reprimanding the prosecution or defense might influence the jurors in how they think about this. >> i clerked for a judge like this. he did the same thing. i think that the jury can see through and focus on the facts in the law. there is an argument to be made for this kind of tight courtroom producing a better result for both sides. it's harder to get away with stuff. i think this judge is mindful of a possible appeal. if there is a conviction he wants to make sure -- >> couldn't it -- if there is not a conviction the government can't appeal it, that is it. is it always better to lean on the prosecution to be tougher with them than with the defense?
>> judges handle it different ways. some of us are old enough to remember the o.j. trial where things are kind of out of control. that is actually not a good outcome. that being said, judges command a tremendous amount of authority and there might be people who say this judge doesn't like this prosecutor. maybe i shouldn't trust the prosecutor. that is something to be mindful. is it reversible error? probably not. >> how common are these kinds of reprimands and how unusual is an apology from a judge? >> some judges are extremely cordial and gentle and kind and don't get into that all. >> how unusual is an apology? it strikes me that that is not something that a guy like this does easily. >> that is somewhat unusual. normally if something like that happens there could be a request in the jury instructions before the jury goes back to deliberate
to say maybe this will be included. what comes out from the court is not evidence. but frankly i think it was refreshing to see someone in that kind of position of power admit that he made a mistake and that he is only human. i think we should all kind of take a note from that page. >> we don't see a lot of that in today's society. secret tape revealed. house intelligence committee chairman suggesting what many have thought for months. hear the recording yourself coming up next. ion is going to make it happen. but we won't get there without you. join the fight with the alzheimer's association.
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call or go on line today. the controversial chairman of the house intelligence committee, republican devon nunez of california is once again under fire in a secret recording, nunez says republicans must retain the majority in order to protect president trump from the mueller investigation. the comment signaling that nunez has corrupted the committee he chairs. the remark was made during a closed door fundraiser. republicans today are suggesting that nunez is stating what many believe that if democrats win the house they will begin impeachment proceedings so republicans need to keep the
majority. >> some are not commenting including paul ryan. kathie rogers is in a tough reelection fight of her own. this recording taking at a fundraiser with nunez and her. this is all the latest surrounding the controversial chairman of the house intelligence committee. devon nunez in private confirming democrats' long standing suspicion that he believes house republicans must protect president trump from robert mueller. >> it's like your classic catch 22 situation where the process is such a tough spot. >> reporter: speaking at a private fundraiser nunez was secretly recorded saying the house g.o.p. must retain the majority this fall for one clear
reason. if we have -- we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority all of this goes away. > reporter: it is the latest controversy in nunez's tenure atop the powerful committee. last year he rushed to brief the president about his concern in secret intelligence reports. >> these intelligence reports are out there and i have a duty to tell him that. >> reporter: despite stepping aside from running the russia probe he continued to exert his influence. privately he mounted his own investigation into the justice department to sow doubt over the mueller probe. >> it's courageous. congressman devon nunez. >> reporter: it cull miinated in the release of the so-called
nunez memo. a conclusion democrats reject. >> it's appalling. it's a misrepresentation. >> reporter: nunez soldiered on, this time threatening to impeach rod rosenstein, the man who oversees the mueller investigation for not providing enough records to congress. at the fundraiser nunez said impeachment should wait until after the senate confirms brett kavanagh to the supreme court. >> so i don't think you are going to get an argument from most of our colleagues. the question is the timing of it right before the election. >> reporter: as nunez has demanded more documents from rosenstein we have been told he has not read some of the key documents including one he is reading now which is the full copy of the application to surveill carter page. he wants that publically released but has not gone to the justice department to read it. >> my experts are back with me.
mike rogers, you used to be the chairman of the house intelligence committee. i want to play the full comment made by nunez and get your reaction. >> so it's like your classic catch 22 situation where we're at a -- it puts us in such a tough spot. if sessions won't unrecuse and mueller won't clear the president we're the only ones -- we have to keep all of these seats. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority all of this goes away. >> what democrats and other critics are saying is it is not the job of the house intelligence committee chairman to protect president trump. it is the job to find out what happened and share that information with the american people. >> a partisan member goes to a
partisan event and gives a partisan speech. the problem is that the dysfunction of the intelligence committee. both sides have been far too aggressive partisan in these investigations. now you don't know what is right. the democrats issue their report. the republicans issue their report. is that right? the only way we get to the bottom of what is happening in all of this is through these i.g. investigations. d.o.j. is looking at the fisa issue. they looked at the clinton e-mails and said there were mistakes made. those are important to correct. what you have now is this absolute scrum on what is happening inside the intelligence committee and why partisanship has no business in there. they are issuing subpoenas too. just like you don't want the fbi to be partisan you don't want the power of a congressional committee in the intelligence business issuing a partisan
subpoena either. >> just to remind our viewers, you were the chairman when there was a bipartisan report on what happened with benghazi. >> he doesn't know what a catch 22 situation is. he is in one. the shady things he is doing to protect the president are actually putting him on a path to imperilling the president. it is funny to me that this is viewed as somewhat as a devon nunez problem. he was speaking at a fundraiser for number four in the house. i think it is an interesting choice that she has him headlining her fundraiser. my question for leadership is that are you putting your stamp of approval for the house intelligence chairman to speak in this manner to view his role as protecting the president? i hear a lot of impeachment talk being tossed around. the republicans are the only ones campaigning on impeachment.
you have to elect republicans to protect him and use my role as chairman to protect him. that was his message at a fundraiser. so that's the position of the party is the president more guilty than -- that seems to be an admission of guilt. >> the idea that he is vulnerable to something coming from mueller. >> they seem to be very worried about this. >> that is an argument we will hear republicans making more and more. i talked to one republican strategist today who said you are going to see more people make the same argument that devon nunez did behind closed doors out in public because there is this enthusiasm gap between the republican base and democratic base and 2018 will be all about turning the republicans who turned out in 2016 because they supported the president but may not have in the past and getting them to
show up. one of the ways to do that is through fear and through this fear of if democrats take back the house and take control of the senate you are not only going to see an impeachment, you could see the president removed from office. >> the impeachment process we all know is a political process, however, nunez was telling the truth. he just laid out there that he cares more about the president and the president holding this office whether he has done right or wrong above democracy. he cares more about his relationship with the president. he cares more about protecting the president than he does about the people and getting at the truth. he laid bare for the american people to see this is the job. we can protect our political behinds. >> your former official state
senator in ohio -- what is the hunger among progressives for impeachment? do they want impeachment? >> some do. for me, i have been to about 33 states in the last ten months. people really are still very much focussed on those bread and butter issues that don't get a chance to bubble to the top because we have to constantly endure the drama that is this president. as long as we continue to collectively play on his ground, his platform then the needs of the american people are never met. can we look at the investigations? can we look at all of the things, the strife that is happening in this country and at the same time deal with the every day needs, medicare for all, clean water. there was a period of time about a month and a half ago where our sisters and brothers in iowa, for example. we never get a chance to talk about the issues because we get trapped and wrapped up into all things president trump.
>> we only have 30 seconds. he talked about impeaching rosenstein after the mid term elections are over assuming that the republicans hold on to the majority. no administration member not including presidents has been impeached since i think 1876 when the secretary of war was impeached. do you think that is a good road for the republicans to go down? >> i think it is asinine that they talk about it. if they wanted to hold him in contempt as eric holder was held in contempt for not giving documents that is a different conversation. they have an obligation to answer subpoenas. talk about impeachment, for what? because they disagree with the direction of the investigation. it makes no sense. i hear why they are doing it. i think it is a mistake. there are democratic presidential candidates running on impeachment. some notion that only republicans are talking about it -- >> we are not hearing the ground swell of that. >> we are coming back. we will have more panel discussions. it sounds like this is really
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points. collins got 67%. does an indictment change thing snz. >> i think i heard today that his opponent hasn't really raised much money and there is not much going on there. it does kind of feed this general notion that a lot of the people who have been associated with the president are increasingly coming under federal investigation or indictments or the trial of paul manafort. chris collins, i covered the trump campaign and he was one of the earliest to support the president. he formed a trump caucus with a handful of other members at a time when most were trying to stay as far away from trump as possible. that being said, sources that i have talked to say they are not particularly close. the president is closer with a lot of other members of congress. there is this kind of stain of chris collins' association with the president and how that carries further is up to the voters. >> democrats in 2006 did this
thing about a culture of corruption. this is after the mark foley scandal. i'm just saying -- can be tough when there are head winds already for one party to have individual members of that party get in trouble with the law. >> completely. i don't think it is enough. i read the indictment. it looks pretty clear cut to me. i think he will have an uphill legal battle. they will start feeding the conspiracy theory that the only reason this happened is for that reason. i think that republicans will make a big mistake if they are only centered on we need to be there for trump. what we find with republican voters now is that they are saying don't like the persona, love the policy. i can hold my nose for some time because i like the policy that is being implemented. republicans need to go home and talk about economics, jobs, the
economy, education, health care, all the things that there are republican and conservative answers for and things that they have accomplished. small business through some of the regulatory relief is hiring more people than ever including african-americans and hispanics and minority populations. i would get away from all of this other stuff. >> what do you think in terms of democrats using the chris collins' indictment as a way to paint a picture of corruption? you have manafort, rick gates, scott pruitt and his ethical problems. >> it is the gift that keeps giving. he talked about draining the swamp. it is his swamp. you drain other folks' swamp but not your swamp. dealing with that is one thing. say it but also the other side of this is that what are we running for? the democrats should point out the atrocities that are happening under the republicans. they also have to say to the people this is what we will do when we get the power.
it can't be a one sided proposition to motivate people to come out to vote. you have to continue to talk about what you are going to do when you get the power. >> let me put up the full screen if i can for others. "washington post" reporting they invested in the bio tech company collins was on the board of. >> and then also it dove tails with tom price's resignation, former health and human services director who resigned. people figure it is mostly because of the expensive plane rides but he was grilled by democrats on capitol hill about the health stocks that he bought and traded and sold while he was a member of congress with oversight over those issues. this does get into a trump issue, a republican issue. there are all of these scandals going on that we don't have a chance to talk about with wilbur
ross right now. so this is a bigger issue that dove tails with a lot of culture of corruption themes that republicans haven't had time to answer for. >> i think it also flows from the democrats that made this argument that it flows from the top. we have seen the president have kind of a different attitude about ethical laws, about his practices with his business. so obviously democrats will say this is the trump presidency and trump era. turning now to the battle for control over the final frontier. vice president pence announcing the creation of a multi dimensional space force. because of the way the proposal has been presented and scoffed at there has been a lack of serious discussion of what many experts consider to be a legitimate need for the u.s. to fend off threats from adversaries that have brought new weapons of war into space
itself. barbara starr picks up the story. >> reporter: president trump calling for a radical change in u.s. war fighting. >> we have the army, navy, air force, the marines, the coast guard. we have the air force. now we are going to have the space force. we need it. >> reporter: today at the pentagon vice president mike pence unveiling details of the white house plan. >> the time has come to establish the united states space force. >> reporter: pence making the case the u.s. is under threat. >> russia and china, north korea and iran have pursued weapons to jam, blind and disable our communication satellites. >> reporter: in 2007 china used a missile to destroy one of its own out of date satellites. what if it had been targeting u.s. satellites? >> what that means is that it
put every single thing that we have in space at risk, that includes gps communications, all of the communication satellites that we have, all of the things we depend on nowadays for our daily life was all of a sudden put at risk by that one action by the chinese in 2007. >> reporter: the kremlin working on a similar threat. >> russia has been designing an air borne laser to disrupt our space based system and claims to be developing missiles that can be launched from an aircraft mid flight. >> reporter: defense secretary james mattis was initially unenthusiastic about adding more to the pentagon telling congress in 2017 i do not wish to add a separate service that would likely present a narrower and even parochial approach to space operations. mattis now says he is on board with the plan. congress would have to approve a new branch of the military.
and there are questions if more military offices are the right solution for a 21st century threat. >> i think this is maybe the wrong bureaucracy for the problem. >> reporter: if there was an attack one analyst says it can push american life back into the 1940s and '50s. no internet, no weather forecasting, no online activity. >> barbara starr at the pentagon. was it really a make shift shooting range used to train children to be terrorists here in the united states? the text messages raising new suspicions about the compound where 11 children were found abused in new mexico. stay with us.
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the u.s. state department called upon the saudi-led coalition fighting the war in yemen, a war that the united states is a part of to conduct an investigation into a horrific event. a warning the video we are about to show you some might find disturbing. wounded children, these are the lucky ones who survived after their school bus was blown up in an air strike in yemen. officials in the area held by rebels say dozens of children many on their way to summer camps were killed in the saudi arabiaen led attack. 50 people were killed in all. the red cross said one hospital received 29 dead bodies of mainmain ly children under 15 years old. it's unclear whether the school bus was specifically targeted. the saudis are backed by
american intelligence and air support. amnesty international says civilians account for two thirds of the thousands killed in yemen since the war began. one activist said the saudis have shown they have no ability or interest without conducting the war without massive civilian casualties and are doing so with arms, intelligence and air support provided by u.s. tax dollars. the father of the man accused of training children to be school shooters speaks for the first time saying his son must have a mental disorder where 11 children ranging in age from 1 to 15 were being abused. the father was a character witness for the world trade center bombing master mind. you have the text mess mg messa
one of the suspects. >> reporter: he seems to be asking for things like borrowing equipment or taking his wife to the grocery store. what is odd is he had his own vehicle. he says he can't leave this compound during the day light hours. this is a strange fact in a story that keeps getting stranger. when sheriff's deputies raided this remote compound in northern new mexico they found 11 children forced to live in squalor. it is hard to imagine a more appalling scene. according to the criminal complaints for child abuse filed against five adults on the compound a foster parent says the adults had trained the child in the use of an assault rifle. the accusation has not been proven in court. in a statement the suspect's attorney questioned the basis of the allegation. an ar-15 and six other guns were found on the compound and had its own make shift shooting
range. local sheriffs considered the occupants armed extremists. one was wanted in georgia after disappearing to new mexico with his then 3-year-old son late last year. >> we want to find out what happened. if it is against them we stand in judgment. >> reporter: his father spoke to reporters today. he is the first muslim to lead a prayer in the house of representatives and served as a character witness for the 1993 world trade center bombing. >> my son can be a little bit extreme. when i say extreme, not radical killing people stuff like that, just a little bit high strung. >> reporter: according to a search warrant two of the children told social workers that lucas morton had buried the body of a long missing child
near a primitive bathroom. police located the remains but have not identified them. cnn has obtained text messages between a neighbor and a man he says is morton. he can only leave the compound after dark explaining only that it is god's orders. his father said his son lacked resources to safely live off the grid. the day before the raid he sent his father a text. >> they ran out of money and they were starving. >> reporter: and that tunnel that deputies mentioned in their search warrant starts over there under that white plastic tarp. it resurfaces right over here about 40 yards away. there is a ladder inside of it. it is barely big enough for the tiniest of humans to get out of it or into it. why it is built is really
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appears to be dialing up the pressure on other witnesses in the investigation specifically anyone one tied to roger stone, anyone in his orbit. mueller has a number of stones passed to associates now firmly on his radar tonight. one of them is andrew miller is being held in contempt for refusing to testify before a grand jury hearing evidence into the russia investigation. another roger stone's associate kristen davis did testify today. this was after she voluntarily spoke to investigators last week. randy who has been reported to be the back channel between stone and wikileaks have been subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury on september 7th, randy credico. this investigation will not be over.
they're all involved. >> hey frank, let's talk about the siemny chhuogns that things tightening around roger stones and where do you expect this to be going. >> roger stone is a bigger fish than many people realize. while we are focused on that, mueller has been ratcheting up the effort on stone. i believe that stone can put the crime in the collusion concept. by that i mean the mysterious connection between stone, wikileaks and julian asange. mueller is focus on that like a laser because that's where you get hacking charges and emolument clauses and in the middle of that is roger stone, a guy that's been playing dirty
politics for years. mueller knows a lot more about stone than any of us do. why? because the u.s. intelligence community has been monitoring wikileaks and asange, they considered him a criminal. it is possible that roger stone may have actually tripped into coverage by the u.s. intelligence community of asange and wikileaks and it is possible that mueller has all of that documentation and intercepts and sitting there and knowing what stone said and did with julian. >> the last part of what frank said in effect of equivalent of walking through the beam of a spotlight would be a very bad look for roger stone. ken, given what you know and talk about what stone have called his 40 years friendship with donald trump and the kind of damage a guy like that can do. >> yes, i also think that roger stone, frank used the phrase,
"trip into," roger stone has made a long career of exaggerating his roles and significances of some of these episodes of dark arts and dirty tricks. all the way back from watergate where he was the tiniest bits of player in the nixon operation but managed to make a whole career out of this sort of pears personification of himself as a dirty trickster. be careful what you wish for. he continues to try to insert himself in ways that were sort of the margins and he did interact with an internet p persona and there is guccifer ii. so he sort of by almost by accident became very sort of character that he portray
himself as and ultimate be his undoing. >> annie, i have been reading and follow you all day. i need you to perform a service on a friday night in august, we send them off into the good night and knowing everything there is to know on all of the sist stories out there. that's where you come in and you get to tell our audience everything they need to know about this new book by omarosa including but not limited a scene where the president is eating paper and the fact that she gave an p.r. interview conflicted of the tale and the book of the president alleged use of the "n" word. >> omarosa was fired last december and she gets the prize for being the first tell-all memo memoir out of this white house. it is a weird one because there is questions of omarosa.
she calls the president gbigot. she contradicts herself in the book, she has not heard it but she confirmed it. >> she claims that he ate a piece of paper when michael cohen was walking in the office to hide it from his lawyer that he ate it. she claims that ivanka trump, the first daughter was responsible for ordering up the list of leakers in the white house who would be fired. this like apparently, ivanka tried to stay or project a persona who was above the fray and cares about women's empowerment only. omarosa portrays her as cut throat as her father. the allegations are tremendous and where this falls on the
credibility matrix with michael wolff suffering credibility of what's real or what's not. how do you judge omarosa's book is a big question. she certainly has a nice runway on a nice august weekend to have the news cycle to herself. >> all the kids watching, don't eat paper if you seeing this at home. this is from the generation that thought it was a good idea to eat paste in school. >> thank you guys enough, frank, ken vogel and thank you all so very much. have a great weekend. what we may think may have been happening behind the scene during the lengthy and unusual delay in the manafort's trial today and preparing for a tense weekend in charlottesville on the one year anniversary of the fatal confrontation and in washington where white supremacists and protesters will square off in earshots of the
white house. "the 11th hour" on a friday night is just getting underway.
this jury. this time they were unhappy of what the judge said while prosecutors were discussing a loan that they say manafort fraudulently applied for but did not receive and the motion they argued "the court's statement that the government may have spent time alone that was granted and regarding bank fraud conspiracy and conveys the court's opinions on the facts and mislead the jury." when witnesses take the stand, jurors were told manafort may have used his position to dangle trump's position jobs. with us, we welcome back danny cevallos and we welcome chad day, investigative reporter for the associated press. he was inside the court today for all of these proceedings or lack there of. i heard chuck rosenberg.
he was theorizing that this could be -- your honor i looked a at the device and i saw television coverage and it would still take a lot o f time to turn to. >> could it be a juror riding on the subway or commuting or seeing a newspaper and glanced at it. this is a process that takes a long time. they have to take the jurors aside and remove the other jurors, hey, what did you find out. a lot of times get burned up. how can we spin this to our side's favor. do we like this juror. one attorney for the defense may say that's a good juror and other may say no, we got to get them out of there. that's why this can take so long
because it is a lot of back and forth just because the juror may have flipped on the tv at the wrong time. chad, you were there, what was it like again, we don't know what it is you witness. but, what was it like witnessing it? >> right, so we expected the prosecution to come in and rest their case today. instead we were greeted by a 20-minute huddle between the attorneys and judge ellis and there was not any kind of explanation for why there was a delay. he recessed until the afternoon. we did get a couple of things that backup what danny is saying. the judge at one point left the courtroom towards the jury room and later on when the proce proceedings started, he did not discuss the case anyone else and cracked a joke on don't comment on the attire of the witnesses. all signs being some kind of jury issues. like you say the transcript is under sealed and we won't know
until some time. >> danny, we get into your line of work. defense goes to work, they're under no obligation to call any witnesses, what work do they have to do and what do you think they do? >> my times defense calls on no witnesses at all. they rely on attacking the government's case. in a case like this, they're not many defenses in such a paper intensive case. here is what the manafort team needs to do. they need to focus on gates that the order came from gates. they need to focus on that which the bank employees when they testify, they don't have a dog in the fight, they're not biassed or cooperating witnesses. some of them, defense has to point out, this is not fraud. he may have fought it this way and air bnb has a different policy that does not allow it or not accurate. the defense has a lot of work to do because this has been a paper intensive case with cooperating witness who got up there on the
stand and all his sins pointed out to the defendant and said that's my former cohort and he did it. >> like among journalists and lawyers, you often hear people say if you watch the jury, a jury that is cleared the defendant is going to come in and make strong eye contact, they're proud of what they did. a jury -- him or her found him guilty is going to overt their eyes. stuff like that we journalists watch the jury box for. having said that, what's the dynamics and i know you have been watching sitting there. >> i have been in trial for two weeks. the jurors have paid attention. there is time subject matter are dry. we have seen jurors not nod off, rick gates got their attention and they are really keying in on the discussion of lifestyle and
following the tax case and the prosecution put on an expert witness who is testifying about how much money, $16 million that he says should have been reported on his taxes and i can tell that they were taking notes and keeping up with their testimony and so you know it is a complex case that these are really kind of simple charges. did you report offshore bank accounts on your taxes and did you pay enough taxes that you were supposed to. did you lie to get loans. and so i think so far they really been keeping up of what the prosecution is putting in front of them. >> $16 million on a tax return, sooner or later you are talking about large amounts that may attract some attention. can't thank you gentlemen enough. this trial which is stretching into week three. dan danny cevallos and chad day. thank you very much. security is tight around the university of virginia and the street of that town as well. one year after the violent
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32-year-old heather heyer. charlottesville has declared a state of emergency in advance. many streets were closed. this weekend washington, d.c. is bracing for a march organized by the same alt-right group and plus counter protests expected in d.c. on sunday and some of it in lafayette park right across from the white house. with us from charlottesville virginia is our own cal perry. there is really no other question to ask you what it feels like tonight. that's where we are all imagining it feels quite haunting. >> yeah, very much so. you can see the outer edge of the security court. it is not subtle at all. it is designed to send a message that people should somedtay out
shu charlottesville. charlottesville is a blue dot in a sea of red. this is a liberal town in a conservative part of the country and conservative part of the state of virginia. for that reason you have a statue of robert e. lee, just 500 meters in front of me. that was supposed to be gone right now. in the heated after math of what happened a year ago. it was decided that statue will be removed but not easy when you start hearing voices around the state of virginia. there is a long list of items that you are not able to bring into virginia. you can bring guns and people are making their right that it is their second amendment right to carry weapons. a lot of people are questioning the police why that's allowed to happen at the state assembly line. charlottesville is a micro ca e causism of america. a number of people asked us to
leave. they say the media is not helping and we don't like the media. they're not allowing this town to heal. it is a town that has not healed. to answer the question that you started with, you know i think the police have done a great job in sending that message and did not handle the situation well. the mayor is gone and the police chief is gone. they're letting people know, if you want to protest, you will do it in washington, d.c. and not here in charlottesville. >> thank you cal perry on the scene for us tonight. with us to talk about all of it. clarence paige and columnist for the chicago tribune and john meacham is with us. his latest book "the soul of america," hey john, what is the year later damage assessment from charlottesville? >> well, there is obviously the
memory of heather heyer who stood throughout the long and tragic jim crow era stood for what we should be and not necessarily of what we are all the time. and so i think that's the most perhaps one of the most important things to take a moment and realize that someone gave her life and trying to protest against the neo-nazis and the clans man wen who gathe there a year ago. the event of august 11th and 12th will loom very large. that was the first momen moment -- maybe not the first but a significant moment where the president seemed to have a hard time figuring out whether he stood with people like heather heyer argued that we had to be apart and aside with our better angels or did he stand
with david dukes and others? >> david dukes said a year ago that is why we elected donald trump was to protect statues like the robert e. lee statue and protest the way they protested. when the president of the united states advocated his moral leadership decisively and decidedly then that set a tone for t for the year and we are still living with those after shocks. >> clarence, you get to write history in realtime on a daily basis. is it possible when we look back at 2018, part of the plot is we have racism and activism and both as concurrent growth stocks. >> that's a good way to look at. it was quite a wake up call many of us had a year ago that race relations have gotten this bad only a few years of optimism that sprung up of barack obama's successful campaign.
i never used it but a lot of people were questioning whether that happened. i did not realize how much my spirits have been lifted and my optimism have gotten inflated and told the tragedy in charlottesville a year ago, i have to say as one who remembers the summer of kent state of 1970, four college students killed while protesting the war and killed by national guards and troops and another situation that did not need to happen, people were not ready for things like that. the same thing happened in charlottesville where police under estimated what would happen when protesters and the unite the right, far right wing fashion clashed with antifa and they were not prepared for that. now charlottesville got hundreds of state troopers who are at the red end during the state of emergency already. here in washington here a little
more accustom to this kind of disruption. things are quiet in august and washington. i expect they're going to be noisier. >> one of the tragedies is charlottesville is known anything but being home to one of the great country. part of the conversation, both gentlemen, thank you for staying with us over this break. we'll take this break, coinciding with the start of the nfl pre-season. the president renews his dispute with pro football players and most don't understand why they are outraged. we'll talk about that on the other side.
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disrespects our flag, you would say get that son of a -- out of the feel. he's fired. >> you should be standing proudly for our national anthem. you have to stand proudly for the national ananthem. >> pro football is back and pre-season is underway. someone must have alerted the president this morning. he shared this thought. "the nfl is at it again taking a knee when they should be standing proudly for the national anthem, he adds be happy and cool and stand proudly for your national anthem or be suspended without pay." as e-- still with us clarence
page and john meacham, i got to say, i miss football and my beloved giants lost last night. >> we need certitude during this time. >> what's going on with the president and the national football league other than the league's ability to deal from this challenge from the president. >> i think the peachtree is exactly right. it is an elective feud and battle that the president has under taken. this is absolutely for the base. it is kind of 101, old southern strategy and i say that as a southerner. everybody knows what he's talking about when he talks
about these people should not be in the country. it works with the base, i think that 30 and 35% or so in the country that seems to be inclined to follow trump anywhere including into us fearing of our civic life that a lot of things should be above and beyond politics. if it becomes about politics and players who are exercising their first amendment rights. an amendment written by a man who lives not far from charlottesville, james madison. i think it is pure old fashion unattractive and divisive politics and the kind of thing that the president is playing to fear and not to hope. he's going to pay a high price for this certainly in the long-term of history. >> clarence, in fox news today, i will paraphrase here of a
question of a rich white guy asking of freedom of speech of a rich black guy and we are coming off the following from laura ingram, well-known to many in the media world, former supreme court clerk and long time law r lawyer. >> she said this. in some parts of the country, it does seem like the america that we know and love does not exist anymore. massive demographic changes have been voiced against the same people. much of this is related to both illegal and in some cases legal immigration of course, progressives love. >> the purpose of last night's angle was to point out that the rule of law meaning secure borders is something that used to bind our country together. >> and despite what some may be contending. i may explicitly clear that my
commentary had nothing to do with race or ethnicity. >> clarence page, what do you think is going on here? >> i have known laura ingram for a couple of decades. i advised her for some time ago, one anne coulter is enough and does not make a good look for her to come off as a far right anti-immigrant if you will. i think it is a ratings grab just like i think donald trump future ca little fiasco with the nfl. we have some more important issues going on at the time. he becomes obsessed when people define him or anything. the whole nfl protest began with
kaepernick have faded awwould hy if trump did not pump it up. what's his base? a white male who loves the nfl, i don't think he's going to change their minds in any kind of a way that's going to help him. this is the kind of fiasco that we stumbled into. >> this is why we have smart guys like you on our broadcast at times like this. jon meacham and clarence page. jon, please keep those angels on speed dial. >> it is in our contacts. >> thank you both. coming up for us, does the u.s. military need a six branch. can the nation afford it right now? what else is out there may compete more urgently for our time and attention, right now tonight and around the world.
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i had a great meeting with putin, we discussed everything. i had a great meeting. we got along really well. by the way, that's a good thing, not a bad thing. >> just one week ago president trump was telling sploupportersw good his relationship with putin is and facing more sanctions from the u.s., russian leaders are striking a decidedly different tone according to reuters. the prime minister offered this warning. if the new sanctions impact russian banks, it would be possible to clearly call it a decla
declaration of economic war and it would be necessary." with us tonight former battlefield commander of the persian gulf and these days an msnbc military analyst, general, take them on one at a time please and that's what are russia and north korea and their leaders trying to gain from this country? >> well, i think they got a clear understanding of their own objectives which i think we lack in the united states. i am still very much convinced and confident that secretary jim math mattis and mike pompeo and secretary treasury. and having said that, the preside president's reaction to many of
these situations border on sa sainty. when it comes to north korea, they're still producing icbm which are not yet fully tested. there is zero chance they're going to denuclearize. they're trying to escape sanctions trying to get us out of south korea and to some extent the president's public rhetoric is helping them. that's a problem. when it comes to the russians this statement by medvedev was unsettling. one thing we shouldn't do is overstate the threat from russia. they got a lot of nukes, a lot of oil. a minor strategic force in terms of naval power ipower it, air power. an army that is not a significant threat to western europe. it is to the baltic states, poland, the ukraine. they're batting way bob their weight average. i remind people that the economy of russia is less than that have
italy, less than that of california. this is not a major player. it's run by -- the roar of that crowd behind the president is what unsettles me. that is not. >> this is something new for our times. >> this guys a thug. he murders journalists, the opposition. he murders people overseas. he has eliminated most of the democratic beginnings in the russian federation. he's a gad bad guy. >> general i've been wanting to ask you about this space force idea. of course, we already have the u.s. air force space command which is a large part of the u.s. air force with a tack and a mission. what do you make of the space force notion and its chance at success? >>, the threat is real particularly from the chinese and the russians but the threshold to threaten our communication satellites is pretty low. i mean, modest country can build
and attack -- we're spending a lot of money and a lot of science on trying to harden it and protect it. space operations is baked into every service. the army can't operate without our smart weapons don't work without space communications. so the space force concept is a separate service is one of those intellectually attractive ideas widely debated that's a thoroughly stupid idea. i don't think it's going to get funded by congress. civilian secretary, a new chief and -- i don't think it's going to happen. it's not a very good idea. it's an organizational fix to a functional challenge that i think mattis is addressing right now minus new legislation. >> give us your one-minute summation of this president's
behavior and i've heard you put it this way. what if you were a combatant commander in the military? >> i said actually a battalion commander. over at fort benning all day today with these unbelievable experienced war fighters now that are running the army fairors, neighbor, marines, coasties. the president is you know, personally, i've been involved with three white houses fairly closely. i got a lot of years dealing with business, 15 years. i've been in civil government. i've never seen this level of illogical behavior, anger, impulsiveness, rudeness to the international leadership, never mind his domestic opposition. this is not the correct behavior for a senior executive at any level, never mind the president of the united states. >> strong words from an experienced man, general, always a pleasure to have you on. barry mccaffrey with us on a
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a man our viewers came to know for his expertise and judgment as our analyst and steady hand during scary times. michael sheahan died at walter reed this past monday. he will be remembered most perhaps for what he wrote just before the turn of this century back in 1998, a secret memo urging the u.s. government to the cut off financing to a man named osama bin laden. and to stop giving sanctuary to an organization named al qaeda. after sounding the warning within his own government, sheahan became frustrated at the lack of action. in looking back on his life as a soldier, statesman and scholar, "the new york times" this week quoted him as asking his colleagues at the time, what is it going to take to get them to hit al qaeda? does al qaeda have to attack is the pentagon? of course, that was just one of the targets on 9/11 and sheahan helped secure the other, new york city. he ran the then brand-new nypd
counter-terrorism bureau and he turned it into a world class organization in its field rivalling federal agencies. mike was born and raised in new jersey. i always thought the reason we got along so well was we shared an exit in neighboring towns and both grew up just off exit 117 of the garden state parkway. mike left the jersey shore for west point, then ranger school, then special forces as a green beret where one hostage rescue mission got the attention of the new york papers. he later earned two masters degrees, he was chief of counter-terrorism at the state department. he oversaw special operations at the pentagon. and peacekeeping at the u.n. which he was proud of. mike sheahan our friend and former cloog was of 3 years old. he fought multiple myeloma has hard as he fought terrorism during his lifetime. we, of course, accepted along
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