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barking dog and that appears to be what alerted the hostage's captors to what was going on. during the firefight that then followed, u.s. forpdss saw a militant go into the shack where the hostages were being held. it is believed that is when he shot both of the hostages, both of them died as a result of those injuries, as u.s. forces were transporting them away. u.s. intelligence did not know the identity of the other hostage being held with somers. he has since been identified as south african teacher pierre korkie. a char that worked with korkie says he was due to be released today. to discuss this and many of the other top stories for the week, joined by our panel, bring in democratic strategist basil smythe, jr., political consultant and former adviser to mitt romney, cater packer gauge and msnbc correspondent, casey packer hunt. obviously on this hostage story, we are learning the details, obviousiously a heartbreaking story, another report i know in the new york times this morning that apparently the south
african who was being held about this american, this charitable group he worked with saying it had reached a dell for his freedom and obviously, that was destroyed by all this, too. another piece in it as well. just goes to show you i think that there was a failed mission a couple of weeks ago. all of these captors that isis has right now, the attempts to get them out, just -- how difficult it is to get any of these people back. >> and the obama administration has announced that they are going to review u.s. hostage policy, in part, because they have faced some criticism from the families of the people who have been held hostage and ultimately killed by isis and other groups much the one thing that the americans say they are not gonna change is whether or not they will pay ransom for a hostage and it sounds like from that preliminary reporting from the "new york times" that the south african group had actually paid a ransom or had been willing to and that he was set to be release and that you know, we didn't know that, the americans didn't know that when they went in. >> and all these isis stories, so many europeans held, yet
these european governments, a lot of them don't admit it publicly, but privately, they pay the ransons and they get their people out. here of in the united states -- talked about the policy before, from the standpoint, wouldn't want to pay ran as soon as, the issues of the families, hey if the government doesn't want to pay it fine, can't i raise the money, can't i get my kid out, get my sop, my dur out? >> right. and there are legal issues there as well, but it's hard to tell a family that you cannot do that. it should be noted that as failed missions are not unusual, unfortunately, it goes took at least 1980 a mission in iran to free the hostages. are they changing tactics, not killed hostages before in this way. are they changing their tactic that may suggest we need to as well? >> if it's a response to isis. >> i think it does speak to a
as the san francisco chronicle reports, minutes before the police disbursed the crowd, several concerts let out downtown, several concert gears waiting to neigh a nearby parking garage were sent running for cover. president obama this morning talking with b.e.t. net workers about this recent unrest in america. >> as painful as these incidents are, we can't equate what is happening now to what was happening 50 years ago and if you talk to parents, grandpar t grandparents, uncles, they will tell you that, you know, things are better, not good in some cases but better. typically, progress is in steps, it's in increments, you know, you're dealing with something as deeply rooted as racism or bias in any society, you got to have vigilance but recognize that it's going to take some time and you just have to be steady. >> that full interview, by the
way, will air tomorrow night, 6 p.m. on b.e.t. basil, considering the president's role in all of this, the ferguson, decision no to go forward with the case was announced by the grand jury out there now, about two weeks ago, the president was on television within ten minutes. how have you assessed his leadership through this? >> i do think his leadership has been fine, he has been measured and i know there are some on the left that don't like that and conservatives don't like that's -- what they would say meddling in local matters. i think he has absolutely struck the right tone. what should be note it had is an be a sect failure of branches of government, particularly the judicial system and i think what -- what needs to happen going forward is that the president should, i know there is a federal investigation, should address the -- the actual issue here which are failures in criminal justice. this is going to impact also his nominee, loretta lynch, to the attorney general post. i know that she is gonna get significant questions on how she
would go forward on some of these issues, but i think his tone was appropriate. i think he handled it fine. but we are waiting to see what's gonna happen with the federal investigation. >> loretta lynch angle on this is really interesting, casey, because she is as the u.s. attorney for this district involved in this case now, obviously, if she becomes the attorney general, potentially involved in anything that doj is doing. so, that just means this -- the decision is made here on whether federal charges had brought against garner is going to intersect with the confirmation politics in the senate. do we have a sense of how that is going to play out? >> absolutely, steph. i think the one thing that distinguishes ferguson, for example, from the garner case is you saw a remarkable amount of unity coming out of capitol hill saying there maybe a miscarriage of justice in this situation. i think the facts in the ferguson case have been much more sort of muddled and argued over. there are people who feel, you know, strongly that the police officer maybe acted in good faith. i think in this particular case, because of the video and because of the evidence that we had,
everyone on capitol hill that i spoke to was pretty shocked that this came down the way it did and i think that while it can -- it has the potential to throw a wrench into her confirmation process, i think unless something particularly inflammatory happens with the investigation, there's nobody out there yet who is saying that pushing harder on this is gonna cause a problem for her. >> interesting, too loretta lynch, she -- political jobs in a way, she knows how to play politics and she has made alliances with people you might not expect, like rudy giuliani, for instance, very supportive. >> she came into it in a very strong position as well. when she was first announced, there was very little opposition to her, which is gonna help her in the long run. >> one of the reasons she was picked. let me ask you this, obviously, we have seen some of the initial polling after ferguson and what struck me about the polling after ferguson, we talked about this in the show a little bit yesterday, it really kind of hues to this basic partisan divide we see on almost any question and sort of the predictable groups go republican have one view of it the predictable groups that go
democratic have one view.t i hear a lot of republicans saying this bothers me, too. >> haven't talked to anybody who has seen that video that suspect sort of shocked by what took place and feel like -- feels like there was just an overwhelming amount of violence in that situation that gives people pause. but not everything is a partisan issue. what there hasn't been a lot of talk about is the media's role in all of. this the fact of the matter is the protesters shall the people talking on either side of it, they don't have all of the information that these grand juries have offered to them. s's a little bit unfair to be second-guessing after the fact, not willing to sit down and look at the evidence -- >> the ferguson, we pretty much did get the evidence. >> we have it available. i'm saying i don't think that too many people are actually sitting down and looking at all the evidence. there's a lot of sort of
inflammatory reporting, in my opinion, that sort of gins this up and doesn't take the time to look at all the facts that are presented. and i do think that because of the video in the garper situation, it does seem much more clear but again, you still don't have all of the evidence that people are reviewing and poring over. >> but i do think what is fair and what the media has done very well is put voices on camera that are speaking to the inequities in the system and disparate treatment we are seeing in ferguson and in the eric garner case that tie those things together. look, cliven bundy is out in the west holding off federal marshals with advanced weaponry. he and his friends are standing on bridges with assault rifles pointing at u.s. maher shals but a man selling loose cigarettes gets choked to death and ten people are standing around him and are absolutely doing nothing. so, i don't think the media has
inflamed anything. i think it is -- it is incumbent upon all of us really in situations like this to bring a lot of those voices to the table and say, yes, this is -- this treatment is disproportionate it is disparate and it's wrong. but the reality is that the criminal justice system, particularly in grand juries, you mentioned that, is where we need to have some real reform. they do not get vetted like trial jurors do and i think that needs change. >> all right. mo tore get to including some interesting comments from valerie jarrett about members of the obama administration. also, the latest on that "rolling stone" story about university of virginia and rape allegations. that's next. [ female announcer ] a 3d white smile
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"rolling stone's" website right now, this morning, click on its apology for that uva rape article it is walking back from, would you find a very different letter posted there than the one the magazine first posted on friday. the magazine made major changes to that original note. the original three-paragraph one stated that "rolling stone" had "misplaced its trust in jackie, the uva student whose claims of being raped are the center piece of the article." the new updated apology letter, the magazine accepts more blame for what happened, saying, "these mistakes are on "rolling stone", not on jackie." "rolling stone" editor will dana's mig match chur is missing from the updated apology. so much to this story, "rolling stone" story, part is how they initially framed it, phrased it, like it was our mistake to trust her. we -- you know, it's your job as a magazine to fact check everybody. if you're not gonna reach out to the supposed perpetrators of
this, that is definitely on you and not her. i'm trying to figure out still what exactly went wrong here. is this a magazine that was just -- they were looking for page views, for clicks, hey, we have got something sensational here is it that? a magazine that sort of had an activist edge to this and they wanted to prove something they already -- they believed had happened without bothering -- i'm still trying to figure out exactly how something like this happens, in terms of failure on a journalism level, i can't remember something this bad recently? >> steve, i think for this subject in particular, it's a shame that this has happened in part because it is so hard for so many of these victims to come forward. you have someone, and clearly the woman at the center of this story had something terrible and traumatic happen to her. now the magazine is struggling to figure out which details line up right and which ones don't. that is up to them. every time something like this happens it sets back the overall goal of making sure victims are believed, not written off, stories are true, so much that
goes into -- feel like they can't come forward because they are not going to be believed and i think that, you know this is a major journalistic sin but as will for our community as a whole as people are trying to combat sexual assault. >> this was a story that -- i have three nieces that are on colleges campuses today and it was a story when i saw it that i immediately share ready with family members, because it sort of terrifies you. to kasie's point, i think it does setback the ability to get people to come forward. you know, there's a lot of things that are worrisome. i think that when a journalist makes a deal that they are not going to talk to the accused, i think that's a dangerous place to be. i think it's also a dangerous police to be when colleges decide that they are gonna try to handle these things internally and not turn something that's felony immediately over to law enforcement. so all of those things, you know, sort of give you pause about this. >> part of it, basil, you read how this came together, there was a point apparently in the reporting where jackie didn't
want to be part of this in i more, you know what i don't want to go down this road. "rolling stone" basically strong armed her, no, we are doing this and hey this is running either way, you want to talk to us or not, we are running this either way, that's lot on "rolling stone." >> and i think it specs to your point you hope it doesn't have a chilling effect. if a victim wants to report the story, wants to report what's happened to them, wants to go forward and talk to the police, whether the campus police are handling it or the local pd will be handling it, you don't want a situation where she's being forced to sort of come out and then not have control of the story of the details of the incident after that. and it looks like, you know, and i hope this doesn't happen, i hope that aring -- the "rolling stone" apology doesn't sort of cut off the conversation about what happened to her but you certainly don't want a chilling effect going forward. >> the university of virginia actually in their statement, i think to their credit, said, okay, well, these questions. coming out about this story but, you know what, this is still a
conversation we need to have. we still need to be focused on making sure that we limit or end sexual assaults on campus. >> for a publication like "rolling stone", too, what do they do now, a brand name in american journals and "rolling stone" around forever. >> each institution has to grapple with this. changing this apology in some ways is a red flag, how you handle this is really -- if something like this happens, how the's handled and the aftermath says a lot about the institution, what they are committed to. so i'm not sure that changing your apology and not mentioning the fact that you changed your apology was -- >> yeah, the instincts, too the first apology they ran, it was just so much like trying to push
this off, oh, we got fooled, we got hoodwinked here, something like that. that didn't look good either. >> there's a lot of these cases that occur and clearly, they gravitated toward a particularly inflammatory case because it would sell and it would cause page views and i think that's on the editorial team, you have got something so incendiary that you are, you know, crossing all the its and dotting all theisms, clearly, they didn't do that >> that was the thing that struck me reading it all the important sort of institutional questions about uv a, its response, the response of colleges to all of this, they are in this arm and there are important things to be raised. almost as if they said, you know what that's not gonna get the page views what is gonna get the page views is the anecdote, we need the anecdote at the top of it, when they get into trouble and raising all the questions. say thanks to, bass the spikele, jr., katie packer gains. kasie will be with us later. and anger over one of
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head of the american banking firm lazzard that a deal, in affect, made burger king a canadian company, there by shielding it from millions of u.s. tax obligations. warren's attacks on weiss are now drawing fire as well, most notably, from andrew ross sorkin of cnc and "the new york times." he is defending weiss and he calls warren's opposition misdirected, saying her understanding of the burger king deal is misinformed. elizabeth warren has pogued herself as the democratic party's leading crusader against wall street. now she is making this a test for her party. will they stand with her and stop the weiss nomination or should they even do that? here to discuss is msnbc contributor jared bernstein, who is also a senior fellow at the center of budget and policy pries and was vice president -- president obama's chief economic adviser and lenore pal dean know, economist and vice president of policy and outreach at the liberal think tank, demost. thank you for joining us. lenore, let me start with you.
the case against weiss this is a member of the president's party, campaigned for obama's re-election, done work on the issue of raising taxes on the wealthy to combat inequality, why is that a bad choice for this position? >> so i think we have to step become and look what the this position actually is. it is somebody at treasury who deals with domestic finance and the implementation of dodd frank, i think two qualifications we need. one is someone who has deep experience with domestic regulation and the other is somebody who is independent from wall street, somebody who is going to be willing to disagree with them and i think that -- >> does he have regulatory experience? >> not that i'm aware of. he is a corporate m & a guy. his experience is really in international corporate business mergers and also this $21 million payout he is getting from lazzard to go into public service that really calls into question independence from wall street. >> okay, jared, that is the case against. what do you make of that? >> i think both lenore and senator warren make a lot of good points. i think, from my own experience,
it really matters a lot who's in the room when you're making economic policy at this level. however, i think they are different rooms, for this. radio, for the undersecretary of domestic finance, i think it's helpful to have someone with the kind of market experience that antonio weiss brings to the table. lenore didn't mention one of the most important parts of the job, that's managing the stock of our national debt, $17 trillion in debt that this undersecretary has to be sure to finance in a way that's highly efficient. if you look at this guy's career, he has spent decades in international markets dealing with global finance. in fact, it's hard for me to realize, and i -- i would argue that senator warren has failed to really name a person who would be appropriate in this position who doesn't have this kind of market background and experience. >> jared, is it a concern to you, no experience unless -- no experience in terms of
regulation, no regulatory experience? >> well, in fact, if you're sitting across the table doing mergers and acquisition and the kinds of advice that lazzard provides to firms, you know a lot about where those skeletons are buried. what really matters in this position, somebody with regulatory ex-peer enwhy, hard pressed to find many in this kind of position who had that kind of experience and that they have the kind of sensibility that senator warren is looking for. and here, i know antonio weiss a little bit and he actually is very much in favor of the kind of rigorous oversight that senator warren and frankly myself think is important. we shouldn't judge him just on the basis of this wall street kind of label that's been attached. >> lenore is there an argument to be made, i wonder what you make of the argument that because he is so close to wall street, because that's his background, because he knows so closely, so intimately how it works it would put him in position to sort of know the trick, to know, hey if this is the regulation this is the
workaround they are going to tray to come up. you want somebody like that, sort of like at the casinos, they hire the guy that knew how to beat the game, beat the house, hire him for security. is there an an analogy there? >> i think it is about the mix of regulators enough treasury and we know how much that ineffective financial regulation led to the last crisis, i don't know antonio weiss. i'm sure's very smart guy and could do a good job. the question is really who would be the best person for this position at this time. >> do you have -- so do you have somebody else? jared was thinking -- >> i don't. but i think there's a number of other consumer advocates, financial regulatory experts, people who have really been in the sausage making, in and around treasury for a long time who would be great fits for the position. >> let me make a point about that, steve, you know, it's important to recognize that mr. weiss, as an undersecretary, will be working under the deputy secretary, sarah bloom rasken. this is someone who has a long history of consumer advocacy and someone who senator warren
really championed and recognized as really -- i think the type of regulate they're both lenore and i recognize is important to have up there, that's basically going to be mr. weiss's boss, if he is confirmed, and she will be driving the regulatory train. that makes me feel a little better about. this >> here is one thing, jerry, my impression from afar watching elizabeth warren in this, also interested in making a statement and having the democratic party make a statement that a democratic party that's had such a close relationship with wall street and wall street that caused so much pain in people's lives the last decade, using this as an opportunity to tell people, you know what, we are looking away from wall street for a change. suspect there an argument to be made for doing it symbolically? >> it is a great argument. half of my article was completely underscoring that argument. let me tell you something from the inside that i think is very important and really isn't part of that argument. when i worked for the obama administration as an economist and we were trying to craft dodd frank and dealing with the recession and recovery act, the
folks on the other side of my progressive/warn/lenore kind of arguments were not necessarily people with wall street experience. i'm not going to name names but the folks that i was arguing against often didn't come from wall street. so, you know, that kind of a litmus test may not be really what's warranted here, no pun intended. >> lenore, final word on this. >> i think we have to look at what would be the best fit for this position at this time and i don't think antonio weiss is it. >> all right. to be continued on this one. my thanks to lenore paladino from demoss, jared bernstein, center of budget and policies. appreciate you joining us this morning. thank you. over a decade since the debut of the bush doctrine and this week, we have a preview of the jeb bush doctrine. we will dissect it. that's next. alright, so this tl arthritis lasts 8 hours, but aleve can last 12 hours... and aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this? how are you? aleve, proven better on pain.
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jeb bush's biggest liability may be his last name, and that is because of george w. bush, chaos in iraq that dragged down george w. bush's approval rating, the poisonous depths in second term as president and haunted his legacy since. on tuesday, jeb bush, now eyeing a 2016 presidential bid of his own, delivered a 20-minute speech some are describing as the jeb bush doctrine. a meeting of the anti-castro u.s. cuba democracy pac in south florida, bush laid out what he thinks america's role in the world should be. >> we need to have a policy not of unilateralism, although no option should ever be taken off the table. both our country and our president should never negotiate in advance any kind of consideration, but we need a policy of engagement. >> even he's gently inched away from his brother, bush reserved his harshest criticism for president obama.
>> our allies don't trust us and our enemies don't fear us. there is no situation worse for stability and peace than that. the iron rule of superpower deterrent is mean it when you say it. >> so, how much is jeb bush really separating himself from george w. bush's foreign policy legacy? how effective will it be? joining me now is former george w. bush campaign adviser mark mckinnon, now a columnist for the daily beast and co-founder of no labels and msnbc political reporter, kasie hunt, is here with me in the studio. mark, you know this family very well and think of policy and the bushes and i think of george bush senior, the first george bush had a chance to go into baghdad, absolutely wouldn't do it the son absolutely did do it. when you look at jeb bush, which one is easy, the restraint of the father or sort of the -- let's go in there spirit of the son? >> well, probably a mix of the two. you know, first of all, when you see a governor giving a major
foreign policy speech, that's pretty clear indication that he's running. two i would say that i think people saw this speech and conservatives recognize that's, a, really serious on the policy side and very conservative, he's got his own doctrine, very much focused on central and south america and terrorism there, cyber security, so, he is really, talking about going his own way and forging his own foreign policy, but it's a real flag that's getting sear juice about >> i mean, does he believe, i was going back and looking at the speech, hard for me to say, but that idea that sort of animated his brother, animated george w. bush's presidency of just this, the power of sort of testimony mock krk k testimony mock krit testimony mock krit tizization, has he learned from thafrom that?
>> jeb bush thinks we should lean forward, lead from in front and words matter. that would be part of the jeb doctrine. >> i wonder how the republican universe looks at this, aware of the political baggage that comes with the bush name and bush foreign policy tradition, people in the republican party who still believe in it. where is the republican party now, what are they looking for when it comes to foreign policy in >> a couple things on jeb bush and certainly -- any candidacy would be cast in late of his brother and iraq. tough think about what's happened since then, namely, president obama and the raise of senator rand paul. and i think hearing from bush, our words need to mean something that is very much a reflection of the republican party's overall thinking on this president, which is he likes to say things, likes to draw red lines. red lines on syria. >> likes to not follow through. they are looking, i think, for a candidate who is -- who will
push forward with that, we are going to mean what we say. but also, with senator paul there is some significant concern on -- in those factions of the republican party, whether you want to call them neoconservative, not convince they had would call themselves neoconservative anymore, those particular people concerned about israel. >> john mccain, lindsey graham. >> sheldon adeleson a key one, some of big donors, they are looking for somebody who sounds a lot more like jeb bush than rand paul. mark is that one way to maybe interpret this, governors, when delivering foreign policy addresseses that is a pretty clear sign what they are thinking, i agree with that, lack at the con of this speech, telling the types of people in the republican party that kasie was talking about, lack, you're scared of rand paul, i can be the guy who beats rand paul? >> no question, he has firmly established himself to the right of rand paul and ted cruz, which is a real faction now on foreign policy, so this is really separating himself and also
laying down a marker that's very conservative. >> let's put this in a little bit of broader perspective, a poll that came out last week, the republican field, jeb bush, chris christie, you know, sort of running together near the top there, sometimes they throw mitt romney into these things, too, and mitt romney ends up into the lead. there was a story this week, we can also show this, from business insider this week saying romney met recently his inner circle, some emerged convinced that's running. we have been hearing this off and on, mark mckinnon what do you make of the mitt romney stuff? is this just a great smoke screen? an ego trip by a guy getting a few fremonts of press here? do you think there's any chance he runs? >> could be our adlai stevenson. i think there is a chance he could. that -- i saw that as a significant signal this week and in reality, you look at the field and he -- he thinks he could be the establishment candidate again. and you know, it's also something to be said for having run a couple of tapes, he has
got hiss down well, a good candidate, especially in the republican primaries, sitting, having to get out there and deal in the trenches, a lot of candidates. >> would he -- if jeb bush wants to run, does jeb bush sort of get right of first refusal, romney run if bush ran or only if bush doesn't? >> you know, he says he doesn't care what the bush -- what jeb bush would do. i don't think that's really true. i think if jeb bush gets in, he is going to throw a pretty wide net on the establishment money and support. >> kasie, i wonder what you make -- i saw this poll we put up there with bush at 14%, christie, 11%. we think of the bush name, we of the reputation this is the establishment guy this is the one they can all kind of rally around. i'm saying, 14% awfully -- i remember when george w. bush set out in 2000 to run in polls lick this, he was at lick 40%. you're down to 14 now for jeb bush. are we overstating the appetite that's there in the republican party for him? >> i think that, look, very early polls of the an reflection
of name recognition, the bush name is immediately gonna put you -- >> should be higher than 14, right? >> i think what it shows, unlike on the democratic side, hillary is absolutely blowing out the rest of the field there is no one dominant choice for republicans. they have a huge potential field and that's why i think these questions of who's in and who's out are actually going to end up being pretty critical. i would say, his name is there, but what you were talking about as far as who gets the early money, who gets the establishment support, that's gonna sort of say, signal who on that giant long list of candidates, which ones are gonna get squeezed out before they even really have a chance to step forward and to move their number up higher? >> mark mckinnon, quick one-word answer here, we know he is interested in jeb bush, do you think he runs, yes or no? >> i think's in. >> all right. held you to the one-word answer. >> holding to you that, mark. >> mark mckinnon, appreciate you joining us from the daily beast. ms in. bc's kasie hunt. thank you for being with us this morning. election night is not over yet, the official final close 33
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as we have been reporting, detai decontinue to emerge this morning about the risky rescue mission yesterday to recover american hostage luke somers from al qaeda captivity. military officials saying the rescue effort "lost the element of surprise before it even began." colonel jack jacobs joins us from the big board. he is going to take a look at the challenges that this particular mission faced. colonel jack what kind of planning went into this operation? >> what's supposed to happen there is a lot of planning, meticulous execution and in order to do that, lots and lots of rehearsals but they didn't have the luxury of time here because the expectation was that al qaeda was gonna execute somers so they had to just go with whatever they had. they had a plan and to execute it as quickly as possible, without all the rehearsals that were necessary under normal
circumstances. you're in an area over here, the objective is somewhere in south central yemen and you position the assets nearby in the gulf of aden. in this particular case, aboard the "uss macon", a ship that typically has lots of rotary winged aircraft, including blackhawks and ospreys like this, tiltrotor aircraft, carry a lot of special operators into the objective area. once you're there, you figure out exactly where you're gonna go, let's say this is the objective, small compound in south central yemen. you don't want to land on top of the objective, 'cause you lose the element of surprise. instead, you land some distance away where they can't hear you and then infiltrate your force under the cover of darkness, took place after midnight and then attract objective. in this instance, they were alerted -- there were some people who were awake, they saw the attacking force and as a
result, a firefight ensued. once the firefight's over, you secure the objective and then you bring in rotary winged aircraft, like the ospreys and blackhawks in order to evacuate casualties, enemy who are captured, intelligence material, the hostages and so on, you bring them back to the "uss macon" or a similar ship and then out of the area. this is an extremely difficult operation to pull off and much, much different than a lot of the operations people have in mind using special operations forces. >> yeah, colonel, on that, what -- do we have a sense, when talking about going into a place lake this where you're trying to rescue people, trying to get them out alive, what the odds are of success for pulling something like this off. >> not as good as going in, for example, going in and getting osama bin laden if you're going to attack to kill or capture enemy, oddly, it's much easier
to do that than it is to go into an area like this and not only kill or capture the enemy, but be able to isolate the hostages from the enemy and bring the hostages out alive, extremely difficult to do. doesn't succeed nearly as often as the -- as the attacks to kill and capture the enemy, very, very tough operation. and done with very little warning. so these things, your honor to the -- unfortunately, don't come out successfully. >> we haven't learned the details yet, any lessons that jump out to you from the experience in this failed mission that we could learn for future ones? >> you know, we had the opportunity to do this before and the mission failed. the mission failed, went about a couple of weeks ago to go snatch him but we didn't get him, we didn't get him because the intelligence wasn't up to speed. they had moved somers just a day before we went into the area. we were able to get some other
hostage bus not somers and points out how important good intelligence is. overhead satellites, we do a lot of that, eavesdropping on telephone conversations. there's nothing -- there's nothing that will compete with good intelligence that will contribute to the successful accomplishment of the mission and so, the lesson here is you got to be vigilant. you got to keep on top of the intelligence. any time somebody is moved, you got to know about it and you have to be able to develop intelligence on the ground. extremely difficult to do in a place like this. in other areas like iraq and afghanistan, they built up areas lots easier because we have people on the ground talking to other people on the ground, place like this, extremely difficult to do. so, the lesson here is stay on top of your intelligence. >> all right, colonel jacobs, the big board used for non-election stuff, very good job, very informative. appreciate that. straight ahead, we will continue this conversation from the perspective of a retired four-star general, former nato
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rescue american hostage, luke somers. he and another hostage from south africa were killed in the raid bay the al qaeda militants who had been holding them. nbc's kristen welker joining us live from the north lawn of the white house with the latest. kristen? >> reporter: steve, good morning. i have been talking to senior administrations officials throughout the weekend and one u.s. official describes the rescue mission as a multiagency whole of government effort. it started overnight on thursday. you will remember that's when have a of luke somers was leased by his al qaeda captors who threatened to kill him on saturday. so, we are talking about yesterday. intelligence officials say that they determined the threat was credible. they believe that somers' captors would, in fact, kill him yesterday. they also had credible intelligence about somers' whereabouts base olden their part to initially rescue him. you will recall that happened last month, steve. all of that set off a series of meetings from the pentagon, the state department and right here at the white house. on friday, the president's national security team, i am
told, recommended unanimously that mr. obama approve the mission. he and secretary of defense chuck hagel, who is, of course, outgoing, gave the green light on friday morning. here is how the mission all went down. on friday night, dozens of navy s.e.a.l.s landed about two miles from their target. the american commandos reached what is being described as a cluster of buildings and this's where somers was being held. once the al qaeda captors realized what was happening though, that's when a gun fight broke out. somers and that south african who you mentioned, pierre korkie, were discovered gravely wounded, apparently shot by their captors. they were airlifted, treated by medics, airlifted to as you navy ship but both ultimately died of their wounds. now the u.s. special forces did kill between six to nine al qaeda captors and i am told at this point, it appears as though no civilians were killed when ask if the white house had second thoughts about the mission, one u.s. official told merck look, the president still feels it was the right decision to try to rescue somers because the intelligence about his
location was reliable, he was in that exact location. in a statement yesterday, president obama said "the u.s. would spare no effort to use all of its military intelligence and diplomatic capabilities to bring americans home safely wherever they are located." meanwhile, steve, we are also hearing from his friends and his colleagues today in a statement, his stepmother describes somers as a talented photographer with a sensitive for the people and people's lives. i spoke with one of his colleagues who works at pbs news hour but who had spent some time in yemen as well, steve. that person telling me that he just can't believe that this happened to luke somers. that entire community of people who are his friends and his family just in shock this morning. steve? >> all right, kristen welker live at the white house. thanks for joining us this morning much appreciate that. >> absolutely. thanks. we are joined nowby retired u.s. army general, wesley clark, former supreme allied commander of nato, former presidential candidate, also author. new book "don't wait fort next war." general, welcome, thanks for
being with us. so i mean, listening to what kristen just outlined there, it certainly seems, you know, seems like there was no choice but to take a shot at this, the alternative, they were gonna kill him anyway. the same time, you hear about how this went down, basically, the minute that al qaeda realized that there was a rescue attempt being made, they went in and killed him. and it just raises the question, how can you get these hostages out alive if that's what you're facing? >> sometimes you can get in there with good ingems and you can surprise the enemy and you can get the hostage, sometimes you're not going to succeed. all -- everyone connected in this operation understood the risks but you're faced with the issue of do you let it happen or do you take action, because it's not only about the life of that hostage. in this case, two hostages, but it's also about how you protect americans going forward. it's about whether you increase the value of americans as targets for terrorist
kidnappings or whether you put fear in the hearts of al qaeda and convince them that they will never get away with it. maybe you won't rescue every hostage, but you will never had a team that's holding those hostages that's ever safe and secure. and we will destroy those people who are taking those hostages, time after time, whenever they attempt to do some and that's the united states' policy. this is a long, multiyear, maybe multidecade effort in this region. we are gonna see more of this, as long as they continue to take americans hostage. and i hope the united states is gonna be effective in persuading other governments, including governments like the government of south africa, which reportedly paid money to have the other hostage released, not to do that. we have got to work together and we have got to break this al qaeda hostage taking. >> let me ask you this, i just -- 'cause this summer and early fall, we had a spate of stories about isis, isis taking
hostages, beheading them, being paid ransoms by some european governments, the united states, the uk refusing to do so. this is a different group this is al qaeda in the arabian peninsula doing this is there -- do you have a sense that maybe there are other groups like this group, like al qaeda and the arabian peninsula that maybe saw what isis was doing this summer and sort of a copycat thing now? >> well, it's the way the terrorists can make money. so, if? a tactic that works, then there will be copycat cells all over north africa kand the middle east who will look for americans who were in there for all the right reasons. they will seize them, they will demand payments. they will hold them. so, this is a problem throughout the region, it's not just a single organization, it's the way they make money. the reports from last summer indicated that isis had made millions and millions of dollars from hostage taking. we know this somali pirates in an earlier period were making money off hostage taking and we know we have terrorist cells across north africa and into countries like nigeria with boko
haram, who would do this if they could get their hands on the right americans and thought they could pull it off or the right europeans. so, yes this is a threat throughout the region. >> the other thing is i wonder what you would say, how would you say, from a standpoint of policy, let me put it this way, from a standpoint of policy what you are saying about why we should never pay ransoms, i totally understand, the policy of the united states, but when talking to one of these families has a son, a daughter, who is being held by these groups, and that family is made aware that, hey, if we can just raised 1 million, $2 million, somehow we can come one that money ourselves, we will see our son again and if we don't, we won't. how do you tell that family to resist that urge? >> well, there's two issues here, one is even if the money's raised, you may or may not get your loved one back, because delivering this money and having the hostage released, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it's a matter of back and forth communication is the
price gets raised. secondly, i think that all the american people and those families know that they want their government to be involved trying to bring these people back to freedom. now, these european governments, south african governments, they don't have the capacities to mount a rescue operation. so, they buy it off. but by buying it off, you're feeding the threat and you're making more likely that other families and other loved ones will suffer the same fate afterwards. so i think in this case, it's one of those terrible things, if you're a family and you've got a loved one that's going into that area, then i think you have to be aware of the risks and you have to really think again about doing this, because these people are in danger, they are targeted, they are like a walking cash cow for terrorists. so, got to really think hard about whether we want to do that or not. >> we obviously had the intelligence, sufficient intelligence to find out pretty much exactly where they were
being held, the two hostages being held for this mission to begin and apparently, previous effort recently where they had been moved at the last minute which raises the question, a group like al qaedaed in the arabian peninsula, groups like isis, we always talk about our intelligence to find out where they are, how good is their intelligence to know where we are? >> well, they do have intelligence, you know, and they are getting better and better at it you know, a decade ago when the united states first started, it wasn't that easy for them they didn't understand the technology, the techniques, the hard wake the way we operate, they have gotten better and better at this, yes, you can buy commercial satellite imagery. you can probably buy electronic eavesdropping. you can listen on youtube and hear people talk and report things that perhaps shouldn't be reported. we are getting a tremendous amount of information, let's say, about russian activities in ukraine by simply monitoring youtube and watching what people post on facebook. so, there are ways in which information leaks out, but i'd
like to think that our ability to protect our own movements and our own intentions is pretty good. and it's able to be controlled and especially when you have an aircraft carrier or an am fab off the coast like this and it's moving. yes, it may have been seen in a port and yes, there may be fishermen out there who can see things and who knows, but we know how to sanitize that area, if we have to. and we can do that. so, i'm sure we will be tightening up our own intelligence and counterintelligence procedures after this. >> all right, retired army general wesley clark, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you. all right, how the holidays are threatening to bring another government shutdown bay the end of this week. we will investigate the why and whether it can be prevented with two people in a position to stop it. that's next. i was just looking at your credit report site. do you guys have identity theft protection? [ male voice ] i'm sorry, did you say identity distribution? no. protection. identity theft protection.
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so, stop me if you've heard this one before, congress has until midnight this thursday to pass some kind of legislation to fund the government and if it doesn't, then the government is going to shut down again this friday, december 12th. this latest round of brinkmannship has everything to do with president obama's recent executive action on immigration reform with some on the right demanding an all-out push to stop funding for the department of homeland security, which is implementing the president's orders. desperate to avoid another shutdown though, the house's republican leadership has put together a two-step plan, the first step involved a resolution rebuking the president for his executive action and that resolution passed, mostly on party lanes this past thursday. now, this week comes the harder part, a bill that would keep the government open for a year but with one exception, making funding for the department of homeland security expire a few months from now, which would
allow conservatives to stage another fight then over the president's immigration action. there is some dissent on the right here. house conservatives are complaining they are being rush wood i their leadership as the hill describes it "house conservatives are griping that speaker john boehner is putting the squeeze on them by rushing through $1 trillion spending bill." so, if that bill to keep the government open and to stop it from shutting down is gonna pass this week, republican leaders are going to need some help from democrats. so is this a deal that democrats can live with? republican congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania, democrat bill pascrell of new jersey, both sides of the aisle, they join us now. thanks for joining us. congressman dent, i will start with you on the republican side, how confident are you right now that there will not be a shutdown this week? >> i am very confident there is not going to be shut down. i thank you a lot of my colleagues learned a regard lesson a little over a year ago and certainly no education to be gained by the second kick of the mule and certainly no wisdom from the third or fourth kick. >> but to listen to some of the
rhetoric coming out of there, it sounds like there's an appetite, especially because this executive action thing, to find some way to undo it through playing with funding for dhs and -- >> well there are a handful of members who, you know, i think would take must that direction. but overwhelmingly, think most of the members in the house, you know, want to pass the cromny bus or omnibus or at least move forward, clear the decks now so we can start the new year with a fresh agenda. >> congressman pascrell, it might come to you as a democrat to provide a critical vote to get this thing passed, if a handful of republican, a dozen of them, a couple dozen of them say, you know, this isn't enough, we don't want to vote for this bill, you're going to need democrats to get it across, this bill, the one we outlined there, something we have to live with? >> we have to pass the legislation but we don't have to be handmaidens, we don't have to -- let them vote first and then vote, let them put up their votes, not all of the -- >> let it go down and then let it come back or -- >> yeah, it's -- some way it will pass, hopefully by 3:00
thursday afternoon. some way it will pass. but we don't have reasonable members, like charlie kent accident on the other side. charlie dent is not an exception, a lot of good republicans who think and try to resolve their problems. but the majority, i think, are caught up in being pushed by the tea party folks and they have gotten away with it for a couple of years and they are going to continue to do it. i mean, they use this immigration thing as an excuse, if it wasn't immigration, it would be something else. there's no doubt about t. >> they want the showdown. >> absolutely, they want a showdown on every situation. and to hold homeland security hostage, charlie, to me, is a pretty -- particularly in the situation we are going to right now throughout the world, is not the right way to do this. in my opinion. >> so, if this gets through this week, it means that funding for the whole government is basically good for a year, except funding for the department of homeland security, which would come up again early
next year and then your party or would want to fight that all over again then? >> no, actually, my preference is to pass an omnibus, all 12 -- >> you want everything passed? >> i want it all passed. >> what they are putting together -- >> not 12. i serve on the homeland security committee and i helped draft that bill, a lot of good stuff in there, i don't particularly want to cr that, kick that into the new year because come february or march, we will pass the homeland security at prop preyations bill, i would just assume pass it now, this week. that's my preference, if the votes aren't there bill said --'s clever guy, bill, he is a friend, look, he is smart, he thinks the republicans, the republicans should put the votes up, 218 before one democrat should vote for it i don't blame them. what i would do but we should -- but the point is if there aren't the votes for the cromny bus, i would say pass the omnibus. >> the way it was explained to merck the sort of tea party crowd wants to fight over the immigration executive action and
that, hence they want to put dhs funding on the table. but even if you stopped dhs funding, the way this thing is being implemented it would still go forward is that right? >> pretty much. much of the u.s. citizens immigration service, uscis is funding through fees and they are gonna get their fees, regardless. so, yeah, i don't think it's a particularly good tactic. i think the way that we republicans should respond to the president's executive action on immigration is by passing some immigration bills in the new year. >> that's what the president wants. and that's exactly what the president's strategy is, charlie and that is you have the senate bill for so long, you didn't do anything. i don't mean you personally, you didn't do it, the president said i'm going to do something about tax critical thing. if immigration is broken, this is my response to it and you have time to pass legislation to undo what i'm trying to do rather than let's go to court, let sue the president. come on, that's not gonna go any
place. >> well, first, look, the president's executive action, i think he overstepped his authority, even the "washington post" editorialized this is a sweeping step. that said -- >> well, they are not the litmus test of what's legal and not legal here. >> this is a whole class of people that the president has, you know, has suspended deportations from. i think this is unprecedented. >> you agree with it though? what if we voted on that tomorrow? what if we voted to do what the president did in executive orderer? would you vote for that? >> let me tell you what i will do. i will vote on a step-by-step basis for several immigration bills. i don't want to do one big comprehensive bill. i want to do border security, i want to do interior enforcement, e-verify, children, you can accompanied children and i'm prepared to have an honest, adult conversation about the 11 million people in this country unlawfully and deal with them in a way that i think will be -- >> and you may. you want to deal with them
humanelism and i -- >> well, congressman -- >> that might be with the republicans increasing their majority in the house that sort of piecemeal approach, what goodlatte has been talking about that may be the reality of what they pursue there, do you see any common ground there, okay there under certain circumstances? >> most of what they might suggest and i haven't seen it in writing about we do this individually, step-by-step, i can agree with. i wish they could have done that with health care, but they didn't, chose not to do that. i think that we are gonna have a long fight over immigration regardless of what happens, whether the president did this last week or not, doesn't matter. i think we are going to have a long fight over. this and i think border security is a ruse. i think if it wasn't that, they would get something else in order to hold up immigration. the system is broken, we need a change and if the chamber of commerce is for it, it can't be
so bad, charlie. >> let me ask but this, we have limited time left, 'cause we heard this after the 2012 election, if there's one thing the two parties are gonna agree on after this, it's immigration reform. we just finished the 2014 election, didn't happen. by the time the 2016 election comes around, do you think congress will have passed ant president will have signed some comp mean sive form of immigration reform? >> yes. >> i believe we will see some progress on immigration reform. i can't say we will pass every piece of it but i think -- certainly think you will see it on things like border security, e-verify, s.t.e.m. workers and hopefully agricultural workers at the very least, maybe the children. >> senator a little less confident. my thanks to bill pascrell from new jersey, charlie dent from pennsylvania. appreciate you joining us this morning. a new proposal by president obama to improve policing but will it work? that's next.
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last night, police used tear gas to disburperse protesters i berkeley, california. some in the crowd broke windows and looted stores. one of the demands made by protesters in recent weeks, demand made by the family of unarmed teen michael brown who was killed by police officer darren wilson in august and demand has been for police to wear body cameras to capture their interactions with the public. and that idea got a major boost this week from president obama. the president is proposing $75 million in federal spending to help state and local police departments outfit their officers with cameras. i think ferguson laid bare a problem that is not unique to st. louis or that area, and is not unique to our time.
and that is a simmering distrust that exists between too many police departments and too many communities of color. i'm going to be proposing some new community policing initiatives that will significantly expand funding and training for local law enforcement, including up to 50,000 additional body-worn cameras for law enforcement agencies. >> obama's proposal follows experiments with body cameras in cities nationwide. new york city the nation's largest police force, started their body cam pilot program this weekend. but then in new york city this week, this also happened, a grand jury dexlined to indict new york city police officer daniel pantaleo in the choke hold death of eric garner, even though garner's death was recorded on camera by a bystander. even after seeing garner held by the throat by police, even after hearing garner cry "i can't breathe" 11 times, the grand jury still declined to issue an indictment.
are body cameras the policy response we need to improve law enforce n this country? joining me to answer that question, baltimore mayor stephanie rollins blake, who spores body cameras but vetoed a city council bill on several concerns, including privacy and with us is former police officer and prosecutor eugene o'donnell, professor at john jay college of criminal justice. mare blake, i will start with you. here's what i'm interested in. you support cod body cameras and vetoed bill for technical reasons this week. i'm curious, we talk in the big picture about body camera, how does this work, in terms of how often do the cameras have to be on? are they on 24/7? does the officer control who turns them on or off? does the public have access to, you know, can we get the recordings from officer charge. ? how will it work, practically speaking? >> and those are the reasons, those questions that you asked should have been asked by the council before they passed that bill. they have a bill that required the officers to wear the body cams, but they didn't even require that they turn them on.
we have to be more thoughtful and thorough if we are going to get this right and we have to answer those questions. tough answer those questions because what happens if a camera is on and a woman calls for a domestic violence complaint? the officer responds, she is battered, she is bruised, what if that becomes public information? we have to deal with those privacy concerns. >> how would you, as the mare, see it work, practically speaking? >> well, what i want to do is what we are doing, we have a work group with the aclu, we have lawyers, we have community members, we have law enforcement people that are all looking at these issues and working together to come out with something that works for baltimore. this isn't a cookie cutter approach. this san approach that i believe needs to be led and included the community needs to be included to make sure we get it right, that's what i'm doing and looking forward to getting that report next month so we can do the implementation and make sure it works. >> so, eugene, obviously, law enforcement background, this is now happening in new york city happening elsewhere, what is the reaction of the average cop being told you are wearing a
camera now, what do you think about that? >> i say we have to have an honest conversation about policing, they use force and it's never pretty and they are not automatically protected and they could become averse to involvement. we have a lot of police departments in the country that are basically employment agencies, the cops drive around, they get there late, they don't engage, struggle on 8th street, slow on 10th street. i have serious doubts whether this will be beneficial, keep our equilibrium, issues about brutality, acknowledge cities in the country, minority communities, the communities asking for police to engage not disengage, very concerned about this looks like mayor walsh in boston also has concerns whether this is going to make cops take steps back. >> you're saying the cop may be pauses, maybe thinks twice, maybe says, it's not necessarily we talk about these dramatic and horrible situations that make the news, but it's more every day stuff that people might -- might be able to quibble with and say that's little over the line or a little tough, whatever, it is really every day policing? >> i have to say bluntly, i see some real class issues here in
terms of the expectation, the cops are unwise enough to get theseselves into these situations, they don't have, again, automatic protection, every time they engage somebody, they could be indicted that makes their job unique and the idea that we are going to look at a video, ex post facto, when they are in these sometimes life and death situations and say for eight seconds, it was okay, the ninth second was not okay, i think we have to take a step become on that and have a police industrial complex, tasers, tasers selling cameras and they are pushing this stuff. tasers may make the police more violent. no the sure about that. so we have to have some real, honest conversations, probably not a great time to have a full-scale conversation about this. >> well, mayor, i'm curious, just listening to what eugene just said, curious what your response is. >> i think eugene makes a good point, i think in far too many places around the country, there's a knee jerk reaction, get cameras on police as soon as possible without asking the tough questions and without understanding that this is not a -- body cameras respect going
to solve all of our problems and the eric garner case, there was tape and the community is still concern and the family is still upset and we have protests all throughout the country, not because the camera -- there wasn't footage of it, but because of the outcome, it's clear that we need a holistic approach, including work that like we are doing in baltimore. i asked the department of justice to come in to help us with our community policing efforts, we have to do better with training. it's clear that cameras are one thing, but it has to include the types of training and the types of engagement that rebuilds the trust that the community and the police need to have with each other. you know, it's important, the people are saying all around the country, when you see these protesters saying something very loud and clear, is do you hear me? do you see me? do i matter? and with proper community policing, that's when we get that right, that we can show the community, yes, they do matter and yes, you know this is a partnership, a true partnership. >> all right, baltimore mayor
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we'll have given 50 million dollars over seven years. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. >> that is mary landrieu, senator mary landrieu from louisiana, addressing her supporters last night in louisiana. we can show you what happened. this is it. this is the final outstanding senate race of 2014. this was the runoff in louisiana, mary landrieu, a three-term democratic incumbent, she was defeated last night by congressman bill cassidy, a republican. bill cassidy will now become the 54th republican in the new senate in january. remember, just two years ago,
republicans were left with 45 that means they have gained a total of nine seats in the senate in the 2014 midterms.what's so interesting about these numbers here, in the original election, in the jungle primary a month ago, mary landrieu came in with 42%, in the mons since then, stayed right there climbed a point or two, what happened was there was another republican candidate in that jungle primary and basically, all those votes went to bill cassidy and that's the story of it. mary landrieu loses by 12 points. again, we can see inside the numbers here exactly how this happened. there was no exit poll last night, we can't break this down too exactly. i think we have a pretty good scene what is going on here, look back to 2008, the last time mary landrieu was re-elected, 52% of the vote, got re-elected in 2008. if you look at the white vote in louisiana, these are voters will once, a generation ago two generations ago, all democratic, steadily moving to the republican party in 2008, mary landrieu was still able to get 33% of them. in the jingle primary a month
ago when she just got 42%, look at that, she only got 18% of the white vote. looks like she is stuck around that number. again, we don't have actual exit polls from last night, my guess would be she is at or below 20%. when you are a democrat, when you are in the south, when you are at or below 20% of the white vote, you are not going to be winning anymore. that is why we are saying this is a story about mary landrieu, about louisiana, this is a much bigger story about the south and about the evolution of american politics, really over the last 50 years. and what i mean by that is let's look back 50 years ago, 1964, this is the south in 1964. these are the states of the old confedera confederacy, senate representation from those state, every states blue, two democratic senators, they all had two democratic senators, texas had one republican, john tower, the other democrat, a total in the south 50 years ago of 21 democratic senators and just one republican. that's how dominant the democratic party was in the south, the democratic party in the south was defined by
conservative whites back then, many african-americans couldn't even vote in the south in 1964. you had the civil rights revolution, the voting rights act, demographics changed in the south. look at this now. 50 years later, after last night, accounting for louisiana now electing another republican senator this is what the south now looks like. you have two democratic senators from virginia. and virginia is a state that demographically is becoming more and more northern, a lot of people from the north moving in. that's one of the reasons it's become so blue and florida, you have a democratic senator, again, florida, another state where the demographics have been changed by northerners moving down, beyond that you don't have a single democratic senator left in the entire south. now louisiana is all republican after last night for the first time since reconstruction, a total of 19 republicans in the south, just three democrats, mary landrieu was the last deep south democrat left in the senate. so it's basically a complete flip from where this country was 50 years ago. that's the bigger story about what happened last night. one other thing we want to note
in louisiana, i would be remiss if i did not mention there was a runoff for a congressional seat, you see here edwin edwards, the democrat, losing, not surprising he lost by this much, very republican district but edwin edwards, if you know this name, a throwback politician, think of the days like huey long, the rogue politician, he was the governor of this state, of the state of louisiana four different times, did he time in federal prison. he ran, in fact in 1991, he ran for governor, famous race, his opponent was david duke, the former klan leader, the bumper sticker for edwin edwards says vote fort crook, it's important and he won that race easily. get out of jail a few years ago, 87 years old, figured what do i do with my life, hey, i'm in politics run for office. he ran in this election, nobody expected him to win but looks like this might be the end of the line for the political career of edwin edwards. funny story, he was asked last night what are your plans now after you have lost? i'm going who emto get some sleep? what are you going to do after that? well, i will wake up and i will have breakfast. so, edwin edwards, very colorful
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where the people on top have never had it so good and what we are saying today is the head of mcdonald's and to the united states government is that the wealthy cannot have it all. >> that's right. >> working people deserve a fair shake. >> so no secret by now that bernie sanders is considering running for president from the left as "the new yorker's" john cassidy work this week, sanders putting together his progressive manifesto, put democrats to his side of the political spectrum on issues like economic regulation, trade and health care. i talked to bernie sanders on friday about his efforts to make his party or the party he may eventually join more, aggressive. senator bernie sanders, thank you for joining us. so you laid out on the senate floor recent lay 12-point economic agenda and i think people can read that as your agenda, sort of your wish list
for the next congress over the next two years and i think other people can look at that and say that's potentially a platform for a presidential candidacy. so i want to talk to you about both. let's start with the congress that's going to be seated in january for the next two years. this 12-point agenda you laid out. is there anything in there specifically, given that you have a republican house, a republican senate and obama obviously still in the white house. is there anything in there specifically that you believe can and will be passed in the next two years? >> the answer is yes. i think if the president remains strong and if we can rally the american people to demand the congress start working on the disappearing middle class and the growing gap between the rich and the poor, i think we can implement some important policies. right now the fastest way to create the millions of jobs we desperately need is by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, our roads, bridges, water systems, rail, et
cetera. if we invested $1 trillion over a period of years, we can create 13 million jobs. you know why -- >> i'm sorry, senator, do you think that level of investment, given everything we have seen from the republican republican house over the last four years, do you think that level of investment or anything approaching it is realistic to come out of the republican congress? >> well, you're right. i don't think we will get as much as i want or as much as we need. on the other hand, you have conservatives like jim iminoff of the public works committee who does believe in infrastructure as well as other republican senators and members of the house. so i do hope with the president's support that we can begin substantially investing in infrastructure and creating jobs. other area, i think the minimum wage at $7.25 an hour is a starvation wage. i think it has to be raised over a period of time to $15 an hour. but you have people like mitt romney and other republicans
talking about raising the minimum wage. you have four conservative states in the last election voting to raise the minimum wage. do i think the republicans are smart enough to know this is an issue they can move on? i do, and i hope we can make progress there as well. >> as i said, it's something people can look at and say, bernie sanders is exploring a bid for president, a platform to run for president, one of the things people look at is hillary clinton is the big front-runner, everybody acknowledges that on the democratic side right now. when you look at the principle that is you laid out here, the 12 steps you laid out here, realistically, do you believe hillary clinton is in line with you on them or are there differences you see with her potentially? >> my suggestion is to ask hillary clinton about her views on this. i can't speak for hillary clinton. what i do know is virtually every one of the issues, infrastructure, raising the minimum wage, paid equity, transforming the energy system,
demanding and passing legislation, to ask the wealthiest people in the largest corporations of this country to start paying their fair share of taxes. you know what? these are very popular issues that go across the political spectrum. the american people know there's something wrong when the middle class is disappearing and 95% of all new income today goes to the top 1%. so that is an important set of principles that any serious candidate should run on. >> yeah, and i guess what i wonder about is when i listen to democrats, and this includes hillary clinton, she hasn't said too much specifically, that's sort of by design the last few months, but when i listen to her speak in broad terms of principle, i hear what you just said. pay equity, closing the gap between rich and poor in this country, eliminating economic inequality. i hear that from her and every big name democrat out there. it seems on the core principles, i don't hear much difference between you and most other democrats in washington. so where are the differences that would encourage you to run
for president? >> really? i have spent my entire political career taking on every special interest. that's one thing for somebody to talk about, well, we have to expand the middle class, we have to create jobs, everybody says that. including republicans. i think what you have to look at with the specifics of the program that people are outlining, i will be outlining a very specific program within the next few months. >> senator, that's what i'm asking you there, in terms of when you get beyond the broad strokes rhetoric here, i agree with you, you hear that from everybody, so when you look at the democratic party and the leaders of the democratic party, where are they falling short specifically? >> well, we need, for example, we are losing $100 billion every single year because corporations are stashing their money, their profits in the caymen islands and bermuda. i'm going to bring forward and have brought forward legislation
to end that absurd practice. i happen to believe that the united states should not be the only major country on earth that does not guarantee health care to all people to a national health care program. i support a single pay and national health care program. i happen to believe that our current trade policies, nafta, permanent normal trade relations with china are a disaster which have lost us millions of jobs and going abroad to countries. i want to change fundamentally trade policies so companies reinvest in america, not china. are those the issues you hear from a lot of folks? >> if you do go ahead and run in the democratic primaries, you have to change your party registration to become a democrat. that's something you have not been throughout your political career are. you comfortable potentially making that step? >> well, that's an issue i'm talking, a, i don't know if i'm going to run or not. look, steve, if you run a campaign based on the principles i believe in, which is
ultimately we don't make change in this country unless we take on the billionaire class, which now has so much economic and political power. in order to do that, you need to run an unprecedented grassroots campaign. are there millions of people who are prepared to stand up and work really, really hard? getting involved in that kind of campaign. you know what? you don't know that, i don't know that. i have to determine that before i make a decision. what you're asking me is i'm the longest serving end pindependen the united states congress. if i do pursue the campaign, can i do it in the structural of the democratic party or outside the party? that's a difficult question. i'm also trying to get some understanding of where people are coming on that. there are positives and negatives of either approach. >> and where at this point in terms of your decision, do you have a sense of when you'll have a decision made? >> i'll make it at the appropriate time. i think people in this country are not necessarily sympathetic to never-ending campaigns.
so i think we have some time to do it. on the other hand, obviously, there's a point if you're going to go forward where you have to make a decision. >> senator bernie sanders, independent, at least for now from vermont. appreciate you taking the time this morning. appreciate that. >> thank you, steve. all right. bernie sanders, we'll keep an eye out on what he does. we have a few extra seconds at the end of the show, so i want to give a shout-out to a team you have never heard of. the new jersey institute of technology. the hilanders, the only independent team in all of college that went to the university of michigan yesterday. it was their first time ever playing a ranked team. just recently they had a 5 51-losing streak and yesterday they won. congratulations to the hilanders. thank you for joining us this weekend. we'll be back next sunday at 8:00 a.m.
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again, i thank you, my extended family my fam ily of blue for attending today's services, thank you. wen wenjian will always be in my hearts. i love you, i love you forever. [ applause ]
ing breaking news, the ongoing funeral service for new york police detective wenjian liu and you heard the widow, and the two with were married for four month, and gave what is a remarkably brave eulogy about her slain hudzsband and talking about how she was his soulmate and best friend and only son of immigrant, and very, very dedicated to his parents and mot to mention the people of new york city whom he risked his life and then died trying to protect them. there are thousands of people crowding the streets outside the brooklyn funeral home where this service is under way, and the police officers are standing shoulder-to-shoulder and notably some officers did turn their officers as the new york mayor bill de blasio did deliver
a eulogy. inside the drekirector fbi and the police commissioner and as i mentioned, officer liu's widow and his father. and his father did not speak in english, but you did not have to understand the language to feel his pain. it was really a heartbreaking, heartbreaking event. liu and his partner rafael ramos were gunned down december 27th when they were gunned down in their squad car, and we will be joined by miguel marquez who is outside of the funeral services. miguel can you tell us about the scene there among the thousands of men in blue who came all around the country to at tend this funeral. >> reporter: for the bulk of the entire ceremony there was a
contingent of asian officers just outside of the church here, and we believe that the coffin of officer liu is coming out soon and nypd officer did come up and ask whether we will be broadcasting live or speaking at that time, and that is something that they want to keep very somber event here to honor this police officer as his casket moves towards its final resting place. with the are regard to the police officers turning their back here in front of the funeral home there were zero. no police officers who turned their back. just down from here, on the processional route where the casket will go there with were some police officers who did turn their backs according to our sara ganim who is down tlhere and other producers who saw them but much smaller number than last week, and the police commissioner asking by memo to
the police force that it was not an appropriate thing to do. that it is a time for grieving and not grievance and that when they turned their back on the mayor during officer ramos' funeral last week they did no valor to the officer's sacrifice and honor of his job in doing so. so he has asked them not to do it now. you can see now the police officers are lining up now. this is the ceremonial unit of the nypd lining up in order to receive the body the casket of officer liu. we expect to see that coming out of here shortly. it looks like they may be slightly ahead of schedule and though it is a little unclear that the family did arrive an hour before the ceremony began and several speakers to listen to his father speak, and i don't speak cantonese, but to listen to him speaking and trying to
get through the words and emotion, and it was hard to watch that. this was meant to go for another hour and he may be coming out soon. the ceremony they had in there was a lot of individuals bringing food to the location of the casket and also burning pieces of paper or cardboard to symbolize things from the physical word the food and those symbol ss are things that officer liu in the buddhist tradition would take on to the next life. dana? >> miguel i agree with you to watch his father to lose any child is just defy sies the laws of nature, but to lose your only son as he did is just words just can't can express how much grief he must be feeling right now. thank you very much and stand by us miguel because we want to go to cnn correspondent sarah
again mim who ganim who is outside of the funeral home. >> can you hear me? >> yes, it is dana bash sarah, and can you hear us? we are having trouble getting her ifp working, and we will go inside of the studio to tom fuentes, and you are a law enforcement analyst, but also a cop on the beat where you started outside of chicago for six years. and for those of us who have never served or had the honor of serving, talk about what is it like, and what has drawn thousands of people around the country including towns like chicago for this funeral? >> well to understand police officers it helps to have been one and having been in the life of a police officer. it is not a job but a way of life and not just for you, but the family. it is what has been carried
through for the ramos and liu families they have to live with the life and the fear and the threat, and i know my mother who had passed away now, she had a husband and two sons who were police officers at the same time, and she had this worry every day. >> i cannot imagine. i cannot imagine. the koncontroversy about what these officers faced when it came to racial protests and some of the protests getting personal when it came to the police officers after the killings in ferguson missouri of black teenagers in new york city. as somebody who has bp on the street and been on the beat what strikes you when you see all of this? >> what strikes me is that the one message that people don't really realize and the one thing about being a police officer is that you realize in the entire
criminal justice system, and in the entire medical system and the entire community leader ss, the police officer deals with the victim. the victims die in your arms and the victims die in the ambulance with you in the hospital or in the surgery at the hospital after they have been shot is or stabbed or involved in a terrible accident and it is the police and there is an image that the police have no empathy or sympathy for the members of the public and in the arereality, they have more. the hardened exterior to cope with that is the fact that the police see itt everyday. if the they have animosity, and the the guys carrying the guns in the community, and the gang-bangers gunning down other members, it is because they are seeing the the people shot by the gangs, and the people victimized by the crime. >> absolutely. so i want to turn back to the scene so that the viewers know what we are look ging at, the
funeral just concluded, and we are watching the sea of blue police officers from all over there, and you will see the color guard getting ready, and looks like we are waiting for the casket to come out to take wen wenjian liu to his final resting place. miguel marquez is there. >> these funerals are so tough to watch and to see this brotherhood and sisterhood to come together. if you can pan over here, ricky, this is the ceremonial unit inside of the funeral home. they are now lining up outside of the funeral home and the co color guard with the u.s. flag the new york citying in ing inand the nypd flag are going to line up in front of the hearse that will take detective liu to his final resting place. the level of mourning and the
sense of the sol lumemn nature of what is happening here is unmistakable. what we saw here today is a service that we are not accustomed to and to hear his father speak in cantonese, and even though none of us spoke cantonese, it was very clear and the love of his son was very clear. they did some translation afterwards to talk about how his son would heldp him come work in the garment district after his school work and he would call him and very conscientious and good son. the mayor talked about detective liu's love of fishing. and his cousin spoke about, and we all called him wenjian liu, but his family called him joe. it is how they have become an american family in their own
way, and now with the ceremonial unit out of the the funeral home it seems that they are now waiting for the mayor of the other dignitaries and the other director to come out, and then we believe we will see the casket of wenji aan liu come out of the funeral home to make its way. >> and what miguel is talking about is so true in that what you heard in the eulogies and throughout the service is that people were humanizing him, and he was not a number or a cop on the beat that was killed, but a human being with a family who loved him so much but another thing is what truely american story this is. and so classic new york. and so specific new york you have the son of immigrants coming in and really wanting to be a good american as they called him joe, and looking at
the line of work that he chose. >> and for many of the immigrant families especially when a son or daughter says that i want to be a police officer, the families coming in from other countries, they say, you can't be a police aufofficer in the united states, and this is the wild west and the rest of america looks at us with our 300 million gun s ins in a population of 320 million looks at us as violence and out of control and the violence on the streets and the wild west atmosphere and so in some ways when they hear that their family members want to be a police officer, they rare terrified, and that is probably why he had to call his dad after every shift to say he is still alive he made him. >> and i would want my son to call me after his shift everyday too, so i understand.
and we have a sea of oblue and police men from all over the country to attend the funeral, and sara can you tell us what you are seeing? >> yes, dana this is the procession route, and i have stepped away from the route to be respectful not to disrupt the officers who are lined up to watch the ceremony, but they have lined up here and listened to every single speaker, and tens of thousands is of officers are here to pay their respects. it is not the brightest or the warmest or the driest of days here in brooklyn but they did not come out in any less numbers as they did last week for officer ramos' funeral. you heard are from wenjian liu's father who spoke in mandarin and he said that he was so proud of his son to be a member of the nypd and to help the immigrant community when he was not working. and we heard a couple of notable
things prfrom the fbi director james comey and new york mayor bill de blasio and we wondered if there would be an honor of the commissioner to not turn their back on the mayor as he spoke, and we did see some officers turn around and not a majority and not even half of the officers where we were standing, but some. and more than the nypd and some officers who were from out of town who also turned around for the speech. this tepgs between the nypd and the mayor have been growing since the protest in new york, but many of the officers i have spoken to here from nypd and out of town say they don't believe that the funeral for a fallen officer is a place for that. and to give you the idea of how many officers are here this is a sea of blue for nearly a mile and this is how long the route
is for those who want to pay their respects. jetblue flew in more than 1,100 officers from all over the country for free. i have seen badges and vehicles from cincinnati and virginia and connecticut and california and it is a long way to come. i have talked to three officers who came from outside of new orleans and they said it was incredibly important for them to be here for this, and not to show support for the fallen officer, but also because they feel that they do still get the re respect and earn the respect of the majority of the nation, and they wanted to show that to the world by coming here to this funeral, and just another note dana about security here because it is not just police officers, but it is a lot of the communities here in the streets, and we are seeing the patrols on the roofs, and canine units and helicopters and many of the units are blocked off on the
procession route where the casket is going to be driven down to the cemetery. it is not the only roadblocked off here. they are making sure that it is a safe place for them to hold this ceremony and to hold a proper funeral for one of their fallen. dana. >> thank you and great the information and color there. i should mention that as you were speaking sara we saw some of the congressional delegation exiting the funeral home there. is another one, peter king, the republican from new york coming out, and some other well known republicans, charlie rangel and congressman joe crowley who was on the show earlier today whose father and grandfather who were both new york city police officers and so we are watching the dignitaries come out, and that probably means not too far behind will be the casket of the slain officer, and while we are watching that i want to turn back to tom fuentes.
and you heard sara talking about despite the commissioner bill bratton asking the rank and file not the turn their backs, some did. she reported very important to note that it was not the number that it was at rafael ramos' funeral, but it happen ded nonetheless from a treatise from their leader because it detracts from the respects of their fallen comrade. and tom, what do you make of that as a former officer? >> i think they should not have done it in my opinion, it is not the time or place as mentioned by commissioner bratton. and i thought that commissioner bratton's request to not do it and he said that he would not discipline any officers and no repercussions that way, and he requested it as a fellow officer, and he was a fellow officer in the 1970s when we were pigs and spit on and he
thought that police officers out there out of respect for him, and despite the feelings for the mayor which are neg thetive and deep, but out of respect for him, they might honor that respect. >> and let me play the devil's advocate they defect the freedom of speech everyday and why shouldn't they have their freedom of speech? why shouldn't they display their ainge anger if they are angry? >> they should, but by doing it today, they are talking about that instead of the great life of officer ramos, and their parents, and the other great officers in the world, and talk act this issue and that is the reason enough not to do it. >> i get that. and the big picture, and the years you were a cop? >> yes, in illinois, and 1970 to 1973 when i became a member of the fbi. >> and racial issues have
changed since then, and society has changed since then but is this something that the police force focus odd n? >> absolutely. the idea that when people say we need community policing. they have had community policing. my father was a police officer and it was a kid going with him to community events and chaperoning field trips and dances and all of that and i was 1 years old when he was a police officer, and the idea that the police need to get into the community and work them, and when you talk about what officer liu and ramos did in their communities tashgs i are a part of that as well as thousands of nypd officers engaged everyday in their community and in the neighborhoods talking to the people trying to help in the policing that they are doing. i the think that is part of what the police are upset about with the public rhetoric that they have not done community policing or they need training because they don't know how to talk to people. police aufofficers have a phd in
street psychology and if they don't talk to somebody properly it is because they don't want to and not because they don't know how. it is not because they need to take classes on wrestling, because the modern police officer has to be a wrestler and telling somebody they are under arrest and the person won't comply that is not going to cut it. and the rhetoric about policing needs to be that we need to have a discussion and not accusations back and forth by sound bite. >> and on that note, we need to return to the solemnity of this moment and hopefully we can see another picture of the sea of blue because it is powerful and poignant. and there it is. and before we go to t rehe reporters in the sea, tom, as a former police officer, yourself and what goes through your mind as you see that e remarkable scene. >> the brother 450d and the sisterhood of law enforcement, and why it is close, and why the remind minder of it. 115 police officers have died in
the line of duty this year, and it is because of the recent amount of public discussion that has been so negative about policingch that is actually contributing to the police officers wanting to travel from california and canada and new orleans to come to be a part of this because they realize that they need to show the solidarity of being in the profession and calling together. >> well, it is looking like solidarity and achieving that by looking at the pictures. miguel marquez, i want to bring you back in, and listening to tom fuentes and being a police officer, and looking at the police officers from all over the country, and i would believe that is the sentiment that you are seeing there on the ground? >> yes, it sis, and i can see a half mile down and you can see a fine line of blue all of the way down. they have created just enough space in the very wide street so that the funeral cortege can make its way down that way.
the mayor is speakingt that funeral in a personal way about detective liu. also this attack on both detective liu and ramos was not just an attack on two individuals, but it was an attack on the city of new york. the police work the police department being the bedrock of civil society, and the necessity to honor police officers and to have a good relationship between the political set and the police set. so my sense is that the rancor that we have seen in the recent weeks, and the anger in recent weeks h will find ss will find a newer and bet better level, and we have seen in the last half hour not only dignities, but police officer s to come out of the funeral home, and we expect to see the casket of detective liu to emerge shortly for the final ride to
its final resting place. >> and miguel, you have sort of been experiencing the whiplash of emotions there in new york city and now more the past couple of weeks, because of the assassination of these two police officers but then just prior to that the anger at the justice system and in many ways, the cops that we have heard, but the justice system because eric garner who was now everybody knows was killed during an arrest after he was trying to illegally sell cigarettes and the uproar about no indictments about that. >> that is the ancillary and i have logged many miles as they have angrily taken over to the streets here and that is where a lot of the rancor between the
mayor and the nypd comes from. there were beat cops walking alongside the protesters and stopping the traffic to make sure they could be safe and making sure adds they were taking over the streets and the city were safe. governor cuomo said it in his remarks last week probably best there is no better sign of what a great police department that we have that they were at the butt end of the anger of the protesters, and yet, they were protecting their fest first amendment rights while they were taking their abuse at the same time. so that's the sort of stuff that we saw for many, many miles through the streets of new york, and i am sure that those beat officers told their buddies by text and social media and everything else you should hear what they are calling us and hear what they are saying. there is already upset with the mayor before these two officers' deaths, but afterward ss, it took it to another level.
and i want to tell you that the towers to tunnels program that offered to pay off the home loans for them and they needed $800,000 and they have $700,000 and so they can almost pay off their home loan ss. and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been raised for these two individuals. for people who felt they were left out in the cold, and bereft and not loved in the city, and last week's funeral, and this week's funeral is showing a different picture. >> thank you, miguel for the insights and as you were speaking former mayor rudy giuliani is there to pay his respects as well. i want to go back to sara ganim who is there in the crowd, and by way of the context and the background, we have been talking about the new york mayor bill de
blasio and the anger that he has apparently incited among these many of the cops the reason most recently is the reason that he taught his biracial son how to handle whether when he is approached by a police officer, because he would be approached differently, because of the color of his skin. and sara, that is what sparked the people turning their backs on him when he spoke last week and to a much lesser extent just this morning. >> reporter: that is right, dana and some say it goes back to his opposition of stop and frisk when he was running for mayor. and being here, and not just here for the wake yesterday and the funeral today, but going back a few weeks to the very public memorial site in brooklyn -- >> sorry, sara, i am sorry to
interrupt, but i want to tell you that the family and the widow and the father of wenjian liu just exited the funeral home. keep going, i apologize. >> no, that is okay, dana. the days after were emotions very raw where the members of the community where where the members of the community had marched in the community had marched in the protests and they said this is not the time to criticize the mayor. there was a scene from the memorial and i witnessed it and it was so incredibly powerful where a woman came with a sign for officer ramos' young son who said that your father had nothing wrong and she was having a hard time to tape it to the brick wall and officer came up to put it up on the wall and they put it up together and it was representative at the mood of the memorial, because it was interesting at the same time that some of of the police
unions were criticizing the mayor, and now a few weeks remove d removed from here at the funeral here at the wake, and i heard many officers some of them former nypd who work in other departments in other states who had come back for this say, look, it is a political issue, and also a very personal issue for many of the officers but this funeral is not the place for that. and that comes from this feeling that last week at officer ramos' funeral, the pictures, the the photographs of the nypd turning their backs on the mayor, those were incredibly powerful pictures, and they changed the narrative of that day away from the funeral, and away from the celebration of his life and towards a more political issue, and people did not want to see that happen again today. >> and sara i have been in those situation, and it is physically difficult to move around but have you talked to any of the officers who defied commissioner bratton and turned their backs nonetheless?
>> well shgs, i have not, but dana, from where i am, it was not a whole lot of them around certainly mot the numb lyly not the numbers that we saw last week and in the crowd of about 450 where i can see and count from where i am standing maybe 50, or maybe even less, and then some of them were not nypd at all, and they were officers from other jurisdictions who wanted to make the point that they stand alongside the nypd on this issue, but it wasn't a majority and it was not half. it was a few. and their commissioner william bratton, when he made this plea for them not to do this today, he said look it is not a mandate and i won't discipline anybody over it, but i am asking that this day not become about this conversation that we are having right now, that it become that the narrative stay with officer liu and his family
and the nypd and like i mentioned before when i talked to officers who came in from out of town i did get the feeling that one of the reason ss that they wanted to come was because they wanted to show that solidarity and they wanted to show that they do feel the support of the nation and while this is a personal issue, a lot of them felt that it was an issue for today. >> thank you, and that is the case for today. for the viewers who are tuning in we are looking at a cold and rainy day in new york city, but one that is not deterring the thousands is of police officers and dignitaries who have come from around the kuncountry to pay their respects to officer wenjian liu who lost his life and killed on desemcember 20th along with his partner rafael ramos. there was an incredibly moving funeral service that included speeches not just from the
dignitaries such as the mayor as we have been discussing or the police commissioner, but hi father who spoke cantonese, and did not speak english, but you did not need to speak that language that to understand the sorrow and the pain of losing his not only son, but his only son and his only child, and then from his widow who he was married to for two months who called him her best friend her soulmate and somebody who really gave his all for not just her and his family but for the city of new york. i want to bring back tom fuentes, and as we look, we are as i mentioned, we heard the ceremony and seeing everybody leave. what we are waiting for right now is for the casket of wenjian liu to exit the funeral home and make its way down to what the reporters on the scene have been describing over a mile of people just lined up on the procession route.
what are your thoughts as we areing at this now? >> just how moving and solemn and the emotions of the officers are of everyone who is attending this. and you know if any good came from the last two weeks of the funeral s funerals, it is that when you have got to know officer ramos and the family better and officer liu and the family better you realize that they are not just people but great human beings and great people and the things they stood for, they are the best that our society has, and they are police officers. it makes me proud to have been a police officer and fbi agent and 36 years sworn in both positions, and makes me proud that i was one of them. >> tom i have seen you on our air talking about a lot of really, really horrible things unfortunately over the last couple of years, but this is
personal for you, i can tell. this is so thank you, for doing this and you are bringing a sense of what it is like for those of us who again didn't have the honor to serve can understand. i want to go totoer errol louis and tom verni, and what are your thoughts? >> well listening to e dedetek detective liu's family and his wife speak, and like you said you don't have to speak the language to know the raw emotion they are channeling. it is unbelievable tragedy that many of us can't wrap our heads around what took place a couple of weeks ago.
i know that as seen earlier on cnn there were a number of nypd officers that did turn their backs when the mayor was speaking, and then when the police commissioner came up to speak they turned back around, so it is important to note that the officers out of respect for commissioner bratton did turn around and for the entire funeral were faced forward. the only time that some of them did turn around is when the mayor was speaking. >> what do you make of that? >> well, you have to remember that the police are not allowed to strike here in new york. there is a law that prevents them from striking. they are working pour or five years without a contract, and aside from the political rhetoric that mayor de blasio has come out not only as mayor, but as a candidate when he was running for mayor, and also his comments after the no true bill in staten island for the eric garner incident he has come out in a very anti-nypd specifically
set of rethetoric. and the officers, you can't not take that lightly, because this is somebody that you are working for, and aside from the fact ta they are working for years without a contract which in and upon itself is ridiculous, this is the only way that they have a chance as a group to have a silent protest to show their discomfort with the mayor and disagree with him. they are basically giving him a no confidence vote is what it is coming down to. they don't have any confidence in the mayor to prept them in a favorable light -- to represent them in a favorable light, and it is not just based on the perception but on the mayor's actions in the last year or two. >> ander roll -- and errol, you have covered the police department for many years, and new york city and does this strike you as more raw and
intense than in the past? >> well, it is unusual, and not more raw. anybody who was around in 1992 when 10,000 cops essentially rioted on the steps of city hall sort of stormed the building and caricatures and that was a time of very high crime. crime is at a historic lows and as tom points out, there are underlying workplace issues that need to be resolved and not by bill de blasio's making and he has been there for one year and five-year no contract is something that he inherited and trying to e negotiate, and for this department to be as upset as they are speaks to the difficulty of changing the culture of the very large, very respected and very proud organization and there is no question that the change is endorsed by the citizens of new york. they voted in bill de blasio for a reason. this is not some side plank or side print in his agenda,
because it is central for what he ran on, and he won in overwhelming votes to make change. >> and speaking of mayor de blasio blasio he did speak in the funeral in the last hour. i want to play a little bit of what he said. let's listen. >> detective wenjian liu was a brave man. he walked a path of courage. a path of sacrifice and a path of kindness. this is who he was. and he was taken from us much too soon. >> i want to go back to you, tom. as a former member of the nypd and as a detective, when you hear the mayor say that does that make you feel more feel better a about the mayor and the tension that we have seen thus far that he is trying hard
obviously to mend the fences? >> well, it is something that i have not seen in quite a while. i honestly, you know, me, personally, and i think that i speak on behalf of a number of officers, and i can't speak on behalf of the entire department of course but i don't really put a lot of, you know credibility into the words that he came out with. i mean, he is really trying to back pedal as best he can. i think that he knows that on a lot of levels that he, you know spoke, i h think, out of turn and especially after the grand jury made their verdict out of staten island and you can't take back what you said and you can maybe offer the retraction and come back and say, listen maybe i spoke out of turn and maybe not saying that the entire nypd is a bunch of racist storm trooper, because that is what he was saying. what happened in staten island
had nothing to do with the race, and it was an arrest of a career criminal who chose to resist arrest and the officers used physical force to arrest him, and unfortunately result ed ined in that man's death, and that is in part of itself a tragedy. you won't find any officers glad that person died but it is certainly not the result of the officers looking for, and quite frankly, the officers that day were enforcing quality of life law has the mayor and the city council are out there wanting them and demanding they enforce. >> turning away from the politics for a moment and back to the solemnity of the moment. what we are seeing now, and waiting for casket of wenjian liu to come out, and while we do, i want to come back to remarkable and the brave eulogy that his widow, and the two were married for two months gave
during the funeral ceremony. listen to this. >> i thank you for sharing this moment with me. with us. with our family. to reflect the goodness of his soul. and the wonderful man that he is. many of you know as joe, especially at work. but to me he is my soulmate. >> tom, back to you in new york. you know, while you are on the beat, i'm guessing as tom fuentes here in the d.c. studio said to me a short while ago, your family is on pins and needles everyday even though things like this don't happen very often, and you are always in the line of fire and it is your duty and what you do? >> yeah, i had a full head of
hair when i started the police department and for those who have seen me it has taken its toll and i did 22 years in the nypd, and i was a beat cop, and community policing and so the concept of the communeity policing that some people have talked about and maybe trying to e restore here in new york i think it is a fantastic way of policing neighborhoods. it absolutely is. and when it is done correctly, and the nypd unfortunately have lost 7,000 or 8,000 police officers since the time of 9/11 and so the physical bodies that you need to conduct that, it is going to be taking some fancy footwork to reassignment personnel to do that the, but that would be a great way to do that to reconnect with the communities in the city. but either way, whether you are doing the community policing or the narcotics tails or chase canning after gangsters, any time you are walking around, you are a walking target. so until you finish the stint
that you are slated to do whether it is 20 or 25 years in the police department and until you get out and retire do the families breathe a sigh of relief that you are finished and do your duty. >> i can imagine. miguel marquez, back to you at the scene. we are looking at the two flags from the color guard, and the ceremonial and now they are going up so perhaps we are going to be seeing the the casket coming out soon. but miguel, it is cold can and rainy and still packed with people there. >> they are not going anywhere, and this is a solid blue mass that want toss to show the support. the rain has been going on, and it has stopped now shgs, and the trumpeters have come out so we expect "taps" will be played soon. there were a number of things that we learned in the service. the the mayor gave two examples.
clear ly clearly he spent a lot of time with the liu family in the last couple of weeks. clearly a man who loved to fish and when he got a big fish he loved to share it with with the family. and two was the call he went on and there was a call of a man who had fallen and he spoke chinese and when they needed help he would be called in and the man was on the floor and he didn't want to get up or move and liu spent hours with this man and turned out that it was a guy who was elderly and just wanted some company, and liu was more than happy to play along and help this guy up, and those tiny things. and this is a guy who studied accounting but he wanted to become a cop. and he did. bill brotton, the police commissioner spoke about being a cop. he came to the profession late, but the pool was just as strong as someone like brill bratton who joined very, very young. perhaps the most telling sign of this family and the remarkable life was his cousin who said
that we didn't call him wenjian but we called him joe. this is a family that arrived here 20 years ago from china and has become fully american family as we wait for the only son of this family wenjian liu to make his way out of the funeral home here in brooklyn. dana. >> absolutely heartbreaking to watch and think about. and while we are weight, werare waiting, we want to go to another portion of the funeral home and hear from the new york police commissioner bill bratton and hear what he had to say. >> officer liu believed in the possibility of making a safer world. all cops do. it is why we do what we do. and it is why we run towards danger when others run away. we believe in the possibility of keeping disorder controlled.
we believe in the possibility of a city free from fear. >> pretty emotional from him, and at times in watching his speech even somebody who has seen a lot in his many decades on the police forces across the country look like it was hard for him to sort of keep it together understandably given the gravity of the moment and the speech that he had to give for the loss of his rank and file. we are looking at the color guard and the ceremonial moment when wenjian liu's casket comes out of the funeral home to begin a procession in what the re reporters on the scene there have described as remarkable a mile long the sea of people and
not just police officers around the country, but the everyday average new york citizens out there, and sara is out there with the people. sa sara, as they are ready for the moment for the processional and what are you hear prg the people -- hearing from the people on the street there? >> reporter: dana i am here with a group of toronto officers who have collected badges from a group of the people here who have handed them out the the members of the community and not souvenirs, but handing them out as a remembrance of the day, a it was a really good moment. it was a great moment to see the officers first of all from so far away and not even part of this country and the united states interacting with the members of the community who came here from far away places who are here to just pay their
respects and as they wait along the procession line, they are exchange, and the worlds are colliding. it was a sweet moment. mostly you know officers are standing out here. and it is driz canzling on and off, and they are waiting along a packed processional line, and they are waiting to pay their respects. off officers are here from all across the country, and more than 1,100 came in on jetblue for free, but i would venture to say that i would take the guess to say that there are more than 1,100 officers here from out of town. i have seen so many with my own eyes from departments across the country, and not just the officers are here dana and something that i have noticed is that i have seen patrol cars from as far away as ohio. i saw a group of sheriff's deputies on motorcycle who clearly came here from cincinnati out of state, and that is showing that they drove
all of this way on the motorcycles to be here today. i have seen the patrol cars from other states as well not as far away as ohio, but there were a group of motorcycle officers from new jersey today traveling in a group. so we have seen a lot of nuggets that sew that this is really a community event, and when i say "community" i mean not just new york but community of support and community of within new york as well but a lot of moments today that are indicative of why people want to be here. the events in new york in the last couple of weeks, that is part of it. there is a feeling that they need to come here to show support because of the recent events here. that is clear to me. a couple of the officers here who talked to me from out of state and had been members of the nypd prior to leaving the
state told me that they wanted to make it clear that nypd is very diverse, and very diverse and large department. they didn't buy into this idea that there is you know widespread racism. they wanted to come to show and stand alongside their follow officers officers, and show their support because of that reason, and i have to say it is something that is very clear as we stand outside here today. dana, finally, i want to say that it does appear that things are going to be moving along here shortly. as you look down the sea of blue i want to make it clear that this is a very, very long procession line because there is nearly a mile worth of police officers standing here filling up more than half of the street so that they can be here and witness officer wenjian liu's final drive to the final resting place. they are waiting here to pay their final respect ss.
dana? >> and is sara talked about the solidarity as they say, and they all bleed blue. that is very clear in watching these pictures and these images. solidarity is not just about the local police from new york and around the country, but the federal law enforcement. james coalmymey is the drekirector of the fbi, and he spoke. >> i was not lucky enough to know detective liu. but i have listened to other people talk about how deeply he cared about being a police officer. >> and former fbi officer, tom fuentes, why so important for
the director of the fbi to be there to speak? >> well to let people know that it is an international issue, and he represents the federal law enforcement, and it is more than the thin blue line, because all of the international partners stand together the as well. the fbi is a conduit the rest of the world through the legal at ta attache program, and they can get assistance from each other, and it is a worldwide fraternity and not just within the ud or-- within the united states or new york. >> and errol louis, as you look at the pictures the perception of outside of new york city is a rough and tumble place, but when push comes to shove, the new yorkers get together and they hold hands and really there for each other.
i noeknow a lot of the people that we are seeing in these pictures are cops from out of the city but errol, as somebody who has covered new york city, and been a resident of new york city for a long time i'm guessing that is probably not a surprise to you? >> oh no not at all. the thin blue line is pretty thick and long as you can see. i mean, i should mention that my dad is a retired nypd inspector, and my older sister is a retired detective. there are lots and lots of people who have lots and lots of close relationships to the cops. new yorkers are extremely proud of the nypd and it is an important institution in the town. one thing that is important, dana, the protesters who were doing a lot of the "black lives matter" one of the slogans and organizing all over the country, and they inspired sort of a not quite backlash but a parallel movement, and there were lots of people who have been out there doing their own marches in
surprising number of jurisdictions all over to the country, and from massachusetts to utah, to seattle and everywhere in bewean, these sort of spontaneous citizen rallies in sup role for policing. and one of the central democratic institutions in our country. >> and as you said your father was or is on the police force, and what is your opinion in
regard to the national racial tensions? >> well, i called up my dad, and i call him up anyway but i asked him about some of the events and what he thought, and he said that he was surprised that the cops had turned the backs and so forth and he read that as them being ma nup lated by the union relationship in a way that would not have happened in the day. it is fine to be angry with the political leadership and fine to do something about it but you don't do it when you are in uniform, and not because it is the thing to do. these things tend to work themselves out, and his perspective which is valuable is that it ebbs and flows, and the cops get upset about one thing or another, and whether it is creation of the civilian complaint review board which is a hot button issue a generation ago or appointment of the new inspector general which is a recent fight and court fight or the stop and frisk, and now body cameras and other procedural
questions, and it is something that plays out in the public, but it is not supposed to divide the city. as i mentioned here in new york and you have it right up there on the screen there is not so fundamental of a breach that the whole town is going to fall apart. it is the kind of dispute that comes up every so often do we need to tweak it a little bit. my friend tom mentioned eric garner as a career criminal and they would say, he is a guy selling loose cigarettes and trying to scratch outt a living on the wrong side of the law, but you give that guy a ticket a warning. you don't swarm him with six cops and end up killing him, and these are the indkind of fine-tuning questions that need to go on at the the community level. that is where this gets solved andt not so much the politicians. >> no question, err oshgtsol and as
with we await the casket coming out of the funeral home, i want to get back to the human element here as we are seeing a young man slain in the line of duty. and i want to go to what his cousin officer liu's cousin said about him speaking at his funeral earlier today. >> he was the most caring and thoughtful cousin that anyone could have. he would go out of his way to make sure that we were always happy and taken care of. he brought pride and honor to our family. he was a role model for many. myself included. and will continue to be. >> oh. that is just incredible and poignant. miguel marquez is standing outside of the funeral home and he watched the entire funeral, and you are watching the the scene right now, deskribcribe it.
>> oh, it is always tough to take take, the drum corps has just come up from a side street. they have specialized vehicle that they have filled with the flowers from inside of the funeral home with a badge of the city of new york police department and the drum corps may be the most chilling of everything that will happen today as they march down the street, and the steady beat and the steady dirge as they pass the line of blue. several members from inside of the funeral home have come out, and we expect that things have expected to get going here fair fairly soon. it is very, very difficult to watch. impressive in the mile or so that i can see, all blue.
SomethingWen-wenjianLotCommunityPartSupportBestHeartChineseFamilyHusbandFrienddifference of opinion on immigration legislation that we've put forward. you've had different ideas. i have no doubt that as attorney general, you'll faithfully execute the office. i appreciate the answers that you have given today. unanimous consent to submit a column written by our own attorney general in arizona, mark burnovich for "the hill". >> without objection it will be included. >> supporting your nomination. let me talk to you about an aspect of immigration that's important in arizona. as you know, we have a large border with mexico. we have a program called operation streamline that has over the years been tremendously effective in cutting down recidivism in terms of border crossers. it's intended to reduce border crossing by expeditiously prosecuting those who enter the country illegally over a no
tolerance or zero tolerance policy. it's credited with being instrumental in achieving better border security specifically in the yuma sector along the western side of arizona's border with mexico. nevertheless, in recent years, the u.s. attorney's office for the district of arizona adopted a policy that he wanted prosecutions for those that cross but for, well, without criminal history other than simply crossing the border. i have asked attorney general holder and attorney general lynch as well as secretary johnson at homeland security on what is being done here, and i haven't gotten a straight answer. no matter how many times i ask the question, so i'm looking forward to a little more candor here as attorney general if you are confirmed what steps will you take to restore operation
streamline to a zero tolerance approach that's been so successful in arizona? >> a portion of arizona's border. zoo thank you. senator flank, i have enjoyed working with you, and i know the integrity with which you bring your views on the immigration system. like you, i believe that streamline was very effective, and it was really a surprise that it's been undermined and significantly. the reports i got initially some years ago, maybe a decade or so ago is it was dramatically effective. i would absolutely review that, and my inclination would be at least at this stage is it should be restored and made sure it's lawful and effective, but i think it has great positive potential to improve legality at the border. >> well, thank you. it's been effective at yuma,and
i can tell you there's concern there on the sheriff's office, sheriffs will dumont and others concerned that we're seeing an increase in border crossings simply because of cartels understand very well what -- where there's a zero tolerance policy and where there is not. word spreads. we can quickly get to the -- is there any reason why we haven't expanded this program to the tucson sector if it's been successful elsewhere? >> i don't know what reason that might be. it seems to me that we should examine the successes and see if they can't be replicated throughout the border. >> all right. well, thank you. look forward to working with you on that. >> i appreciate that opportunity to work with you on that because i have long felt it's the right direction for us to go. >> thank you. we have a successful program, then it's difficult to see it
scrapped and to see the progress that's been made in certain parts of the border done away with. let me get to another subject here. victims rights. this is an area of the law that you have shown particularly interest in over your time as a senator. i have with me letters of support for your nomination from various victims groups and advocates. the victims of crime and leniency. victims and friends united op ed by professors paul cassel and steve twist all in support of your nomination. i would ask that these documents be placed for the record. as attorney general, what steps will you take to insure that victims' rights are protected? >> cannot forget victims rights. we have a victim witness legislation that creates within each united states attorney's office a victim witness coordinator and the job of that person is to make sure that concern of the victims are he d
prosecutors and law enforcement officers, but also the bureau of -- you will lead not only department of prosecutors and law enforcement officials, but also the bureau of prisons. you'll be responsible for 190,000 federal inmates currently in custody. this is an often overlooked part of the attorney general's role, but it's important part of the position that you'll be nominated for. i believe one of the highlights in your record in the senate is your leadership in passing the prison rape elimination act of 2003, it or pria, which passed both chambers without objection and was signed into law by george w. bush. this was a bipartisan bill. you worked across the aisle with the late senator kennedy as well as with republican representative frank wolf, democrat representative bobby scott in the house. i have letters of support from anti-prisonrate rape activists that i would also like to be part of the record without objection if i could. >> thank you.
the prison actually do get prosecuted was a real step forward. we do not need to subject prisoners to any more punishment than the law requires. >> thank you. just remaining seconds i have let me say there's another area that we have worked on and hopefully can continue to work on, and that's the area of duplicative doj grants. as you know, department awarded approximately $17 billion in grants over the years brrn oij reports, have all shown there's duplication and waste. sometimes fraud and abuse. we continue to commit to work to root out this kind of duplicative action there. >> well, i know you have had a history of being a staunch defender of the treasury and those that abuse it. i believe it's the same way. it's the taxpayer's money. every dlaer that's extracted from an american sit zblin that
goes into the government needs to get to productive valuable activities. it is a cause of great concern. i will make it a priority of mine to make sure that the dollars we have are actually getting to the purposes they're supposed to go for. it's one thing to say i did a great thing. i got more money for this good purpose, but did it really efficiently and effectively go there. did it really make a positive difference? i think the department of justice can utilize the grant programs to help valuable activities and it needs to guard against improper activities. >> thank you, senator sessions. >> we'll break for about 30 minutes and reconvene at 1:40. senator comens would be next up, and he has indicated he will be here on time. adjourn, recess for now.
>> the senate judiciary committee now in recess. 30 minute lurchl we just heard from the chairman chuck grassley make that announcement. hel hello. i'm wolf blitzer. >> i'm jake tapper. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington d.c. thank you for joining us. >> it's been a very, very intriguing, important several hours, jake, that we've been listening to jeff sessions, the senator from alabama who has been nominated to become the attorney general of the united states. i want to start off quickly and play this little clip. he announce reasonable doubt that if there were any legal proceedings to go against, the former democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton, he would recuse himself. >> in light of those comments that you made, some have expressed concern about whether you can approach the clinton matter impartially in both fact and appearance. how do you plan to address those concerns? >> i do believe that that could
place my objectivity in question. i have given that thought. i believe the proper thing for me to do would be to recuse myself from any questions involving those kind of investigations that involve secretary clinton that were raised during the campaign. >> or could be otherwise connected to it. >> this country does not punish its political enemies, but this country insures that no one is bottom of the law. >> very intriguing the way he said that. it was a bold moment. >> he said he would recuse himself. some of the other things that he tried to make clear were that even if he opposed laws that had been passed, he would abide by them. whatever his personal feelings, he thinks that same-sex marriage is the law of the land. president trump has said and talked about how he would protect the rights of lgbt americans going forward. >> roe v. wade he said also is
staging little mock confirmation hearings at the trump transition office. >> we've got an excellent panel here that's going to help us better appreciate what we just heard. associate editor of real clear politics, a.b. stoddard. justice correspondent pamela brown, april ryan, white house correspondent washington bureau chief for american urban radio networks, cnn political comme commentators chuck hyde and simone sanders. pamela brown, you cover the justice department for us. your immediate thoughts? >> first, when it comes to torture, he was asked about waterboarding, which, of course, we heard trump talk about on the trail saying he wanted to bring that back, and sessions did not mince words. he said it's illegal. it is improper. that is the way the congress has voted. that presents an interesting situation there depending on what trump wants to do when he takes the white house and his top law enforcement officer views it that way. we talked about the muslim ban. again, something that trump talked about on the trail. he says that he opposes that, and it's clear that he is taking
i am not naive. i know the threat that our rising crime and addiction rates pose to the health and safety of our country. i know the threat of terrorism. i deeply understand the history of civil rights in our country and the horrendous impact that relentless and systemic discrimination and the denial of voting rights has had on our african-american brothers and sisters. i have witnessed it. >> that was in his opening statement. he clearly came prepared to try to diffuse what had hurt him so badly in 1986. >> what's so interesting is that was initially not in his opening statements. we're told from a source that this morning he woke up, and he felt very compelled to confront what happened in 1986 with the failed judgeship. he felt like it was important to make it clear to the people and to the people there in that room that he is not a racist, that
this was a characterure of him and that it was false and so he added those comments and those comments about that back in this morning, wolf. >> jeff, when you take a look at the bottom line, it's very, very hard for a united states senator sitting colleague of senator sessions to come out against them, but some will. >> some will, without a doubt, and i would not be surprised at the end of the day if this is maybe largely on party lines, but i think one of the biggest differences here is if he was not a sitting united states senator, this hearing would be entirely different. the proceedings would be different. senator dianne feinstein, of course, the ranking democrat on the committee, pointed out that, you know, he is the candidate for attorney general. we're not talking about his senate record here, but the reality here is that those strong relationships that he has with republicans and some democrats is going to play a key role in virtually all of this. they are giving him the benefit of the doubt. you saw susan collins introducing him and basically
saying what happened 30 years ago isn't as relevant as right now. yes, he is going to have tough questions. more tomorrow probably than today. one other -- people are giving their sides of this, but he is a u.s. senator, and that helps him immensely. >> senator al franken, the one non-lawyer on the senate judiciary committee, basically accused senator sessions of inflating his pro-civil rights record, suggesting that desegregation -- school desegregation cases that he had claimed to have been in charge of, that he first overstated how many there were and then basically he was taking credit for work that he really didn't have much to do with other than he was the u.s. attorney or the attorney general of the state of alabama. it was kind of a strong charge to make. >> yes, it was interesting. sessions actually did back down a bit. he said that he wasn't as involved, and their number wasn't as high as it was
originally stated, but that he didn't do anything wrong. i think what's interesting as franken went after his character, most everyone else was sticking to policy differences. democrats have huge policy contrasts with senator sessions and the department of justice will change radically from the obama department of justice. i think it was strong of him to so strongly defend himself against the 1986 event when he was passed over for the judgeship to defend himself against charges of being racially insensitive so that they can move on to policy differences and not be in -- so that he is not vulnerable to character attacks. i think democrats waste their time if they go after him on this. there's so much on sentencing, on immigration, on voting rights and civil rights for them to actually question him about and create contrast with him about that they should probably stay away from the issues of 30 years ago. you saw just as jeff was saying, you saw the senators just in
such a defer he shall crouch, they would -- the democrats would start by saying, well, we talked about this in our meeting together. i'll just throw that question out there first. he had done a great job of talking them through these issues long before the lights were on. stro i don't think he is getting dick durbin's vote. he made it clear that the casm between the two when it came to immigration reform, specifically what you do with the so-called dreamers, the 800,000 people brought here illegally when they were children through the no fault of their own, durbin wants them to be given citizenship ultimately, and sessions, it sounded like, has a fairly hard line position on it. it shows how well prepared he
is, and it's not just in trump tower where they've been practicing for this. it's in the senate buildings. it's also at the republican national committee, private organizations like america rising. they are all preparing not just jeff sessions for this, but a team to move his nomination forward. democrats are obviously doing the same on the opposite side. what we're seeing is the tip of the iceberg on this. >> it looked as if he was prepared anticipating almost every question that came up where. >> he was anticipating every question, but the issue is he is giving answers, but there's more to get into the weeds about. particularly when it came to issues of voting rights. 30 years ago does matter where, to hear some people in congress, in -- and some senators wanting to testify against him about things that he said that naacp is unamerican, that is a real issue. >> he denies that. >> he denies it and he said he abhors the kkk. >> he said he does abhor the kkk. >> he said that. >> he did put to death under his
watch leader of the kkk. >> right. now, let's go into this piece. the voting rights piece, which is interesting. his state right now is in the middle of this voting rights issue. many of the alabama motor vehicle offices were moved out of urban areas. people had to go to driver's licenses to get to the polls. here he is saying, oh, he plooefz in voter id, and then they just came up with an agreement with the department of transportation to fix this problem, and this is the devil is in the details. this is the first time in 15 years that people have not seen the full enforcement of the voting rights act, and there is still a problem. if they get into that piece, that is a big piece. then criminal justice. it almost sounds like he was in a different stand than president-elect donald trump. donald trump says he is putting more of a focus on supporting the police, but now we heard sessions say, yes, we support
police but also he supports kplooint community policing, which is a big piece in the urban community to help stop much of this tension, which is considered once the tension happens, it's considered a national security issue from jay johnson, the head of homeland security. the issue is donald trump really has put a focus on supporting police and now he is talking about community policing and also making police more responsible if there is something that happened. it's an interesting dynamic today. >> when you watch this hearing and obviously jeff pointed out if this were just alabama attorney general jeff sessions or u.s. attorney jeff sessions, there would probably be more hostility and aggressiveness towards him. what's your response? how do you think he hangdsed himself understanding that you disagree with a lot of his positions? >> i mean, i think he handled himself well. i think some of the questioning was soft. if you will, in a lot of instances. this was just the first half. we have a whole other afternoon
of this, and then tomorrow we'll see testimony from folks like cornell brooks, the current president of the naacp, the oldest and boldest civil rights organization in america. we will hear testimony from senator booker. lots of folks who will offer some color and additional details to what we heard senator sessions say today. i was shocked when senator sessions said that he basically thought that voter id was okay if the laws were written well, but also noted that, oh, but as attorney general if he was to be confirmed as attorney general, he would have to look at all the legal aspects, but personally that's how he feels. i am shocked that no one pressed him to allude that he is saying that he wouldn't take his personal feelings about voter id into the office as attorney general. again, i think he had some soft questioning. i think folks really like jeff sessions, and they -- this is their colleague. if he is not confirmed, guess what, he is coming back to the senate, and nobody wants to make an enemy.
he has co-sponsored lots of helpful legislation, but the fact of the matter is we have to question on the merits of his policy and, you know, what he stands for and what kind of department he would put together. i don't think that's all the way broken through. >> here's an exchange. senator sessions had with senator dianne feinstein, who says the new ranking democrat on the judiciary committee. the issue of abortion and same-sex marriage. listen to this. i think we have that clip ready to go right now. >> you have referred to roe v. wade as "one of the worst colossally erroneous supreme court decisions of all time." is that still your view? >> it is. i believe it's -- it violated the constitution and really attempted to set policy and not follow law. it is the law of the land. it has been so established and settled for quite a long time. it deserves respect, and i would respect it and follow it.
five justices on the supreme court, the majority of the court, has established the definition of marriage for the entire united states of america, and i will follow that decision. >> jeffrey tubbin, our senior legal analyst. someone who is opposed to roe v. wade, very strongly, jeff, says roe v. wade, it is the law of the land. it has been so established. it has been settled for quite a long time, and then he said it deserves respect. similar words as far as same-sex marriage are concerned. that was significant coming from senator sessions. >> it is significant, but it also leaves a lot of room for the justice department to take and support steps that restrict the right to abortion. the obama administration justice department was very aggressive in saying to states that we do not believe under the constitution you can establish
barriers to abortion rights in setting up rules for clinics, rules for doctors that make it difficult. this administration is going to be very different. it is true that the ultimate decision will not be challenged yet by this administration, but, remember, there is already one supreme court vacancy. one of the leading candidates for this vacancy is the attorney general of arizona -- of alabama, who followed jeff sessions as attorney general of alabama. now a federal judge, bill pryor. he, too, thinks roe v. wade was a terrible decision, and if he is nominated and confirmed, he can actually do something about it. yes, this attorney general if he is confirmed will not directly attack it, but the federal government can do a lot to restrict abortion rights and president-elect trump has made clear that's a priority for his administration. >> we have more analysis coming
up from jeffrey tubbin. i want you to stand by. our senior political reporter manu raju is just outside. room where senator sessions has been testifying in this confirmation hearing. he has a special guest with him. manu. >> thanks. i'm here with senator chris goose from delaware. about to ask. what do you want to hear from senator sessions? >> what i want to hear from senator sessions, clear and concise answers to a number of questions i've got about his actions as alabama's attorney general, about his actions as u.s. senator. blocking bipartisan criminal justice reform efforts, blocking bipartisan efforts to outlaw the use of torture, and some of his historic involvement in the civil rights movement both in his home state of alabama and what he has done as a senator and what he might or might not do as attorney general. we've had a very full morning. it's been many hours since we started at 9:30. he has answered a lot of
questions. in my view the american people deserve a really full and fair hearing for their next potential next attorney general. >> this morning he also said that his critics, especially back in the 1980s, were trying to paint a characterure of him on the issue of race. do you buy that? do you think his critics were trying to paint a characterure of him back in the 1980s, and do you believe that he has a strong civil rights record? >> what matters to me is his voting record as a senator and the things i have been able to work with him and not been able to work with him on in the six years we've served together in the senate. there were two issues we worked well together on. i appreciate that. there were many, many others where we weren't and where our values and priorities are quite different. you've heard many different senators ask questions about immigration, about civil liberties, about civil rights, about russian cyber hacking, and about some of the claims made in the trump campaign. i look forward to continuing that line of questioning. >> before i let you go, are you leaning yes or no on jeff sessions right now if you were to vote for him, yes or no? >> the whole point of skrg a
hearing that's going to last all day today and another hearing that will last all day tomorrow is to make up my mind after i have heard all the evidence. i have a number of questions based on his record and based on some of the things he said today. i have more questions, not fewer. >> senator, thanks for talking with us. back to you. >> all right. manu and senator chris kuhns. still to come, we're going to have much more on the confirmation hearing of senator jeff sessions. thoughts on a potential ban on muslims entering the u.s. also we're keeping a close eye on another hearing on capitol hill. this one regards the intel regarding the russia hack and we are just a few hours away from president obama's last big speech as president of the united states. we're live from chicago with a preview coming up next. you do all this research
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>> welcome back. we're awaiting the turn of the confirmation hearing for senator jefferson boregard session iii, nominee for u.s. attorney general. we're keeping an eye on the intel briefing regarding the russia hacking. we'll update ow that throughout the hour. >> first, president obama, he is set to give his farewell address to the nation later on tonight in chicago. our white house correspondent michelle kazinski is joining us from the site in chicago. give us a preview, michelle. >> yeah, this is a good-bye as well as a homecoming. he is coming back to this city, his hometown, you could say, where his political career began. this is important to him, obviously.
some people will line up 14 hours before this speech will begin. there's an anticipatory thing right now. this is something that he has been working on now for at least a week or so. it's been through several drafts. he wants to get this right. he doesn't want to focus on listing his accomplishments. whenever he makes the public address, but they want this to be different. they want it to be forward-looking and optimistic. when you look back to past presidents, farewell addresses, they always give a sort of cautionary advice to the next administration. george w. bush talked about continuing to fight for truth and justice.
to keep up fiscal responsibility in the world. the white house says that president obama is going to follow that theme. he is going to look challenges that america faces moving forward, and he is going to give his share of advice on how best to face. they say that he is going to focus on american values, on fairness, justice, and diversity. >> still ahead, we're getting ready for the return of the confirmation hearings for senator jeff sessions. take a look at these live pictures coming in from the room. the senators will be going back in there momentarily. our special coverage continues right after this. of a trip to athens, greece.
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it's set to resume momentarily. once it resumes, we'll, of course, resume our own live coverage. also ahead, our retired marine corps general john kelly is due before the senate homeland security committee and his nomination to become the next secretary of homeland security. that's scheduled to begin at 3:30 p.m. eastern. less than two hours from now. we'll have live coverage of that as well. and another key hearing is underway right now as well. the heads of the fbi, the cia, and the nsa. the national security agency. also the director of national intelligence. they are testifying before the senate intelligence committee on russian interference in the u.s. presidential election. right now i would like you to hear some of the sounds, some of the arguments that were made, the legal points from the hearing on the attorney general nominee, jeff sessions. let's begin with this.
[ yelling ] >> wow. for the clan and what it represents and its hateful ideology. i insisted on maurice of the southern poverty law center, his lawsuit that led to the successful collapse of the klan, at least in alabama, the seizure of their building, at least for that period of time. i am not naive. i know the threat that our rising crime and addiction rates pose to the health and safety of our country. i know the threat of terrorism. i deeply understand the history of civil rights in our country and the horrendous impact that relentless and systemic discrimination and the denial of voting rights has had on our african-american brothers and sisters. i have witnessed it. we must continue to move forward
and never back. >> during the course of the presidential campaign, you made a number of statements about the investigation of former secretary of state hillary clinton relating to her handling of sensitive emails and regarding certain actions of the clinton foundation. >> mr. chairman, it was a highly contentious campaign. i, like a lot of people, made comments about the issues in that campaign with regard to secretary clinton and some of the comments i made. i do believe that that could place my objectivity in question. i've given that thought. i believe the proper thing for me to do would be to recuse myself from any questions involving those kind of investigations that involve secretary clinton that were raised during the campaign. we can never have a political dispute turn into a criminal
dispute. that's not in any way that would suggest anything other than absolute objectivity. this country does not punish its political enemies, but this country insures that no one is above the law. >> do you agree that the issue of same-sex marriage is settled law? >> supreme court has ruled on that. the disents disented vigorously, but it was 5-4, and five justices on the supreme court, a majority of the court, has established the definition of marriage for the entire united states of america and i will follow that decision. you have referred to roe v. wade as "one of the worst colossally erroneous supreme court decisions of all time." is that still your view? >> it is. i believe it's -- it violated the constitution and really attempted to set policy and not follow law. it is the law of the land.
it has been so established and settled for quite a long time. it zebs respect and i would follow it. >> april ryan, the white house correspondent in washington bureau chief for american urban radio networks and cnn political commentators doug high and simone sanders, where pamela, let me start with you. i think there are probably a lot of viewers out there who heard senator sessions say that he, if attorney general, if he is confirmed, he would recuse himself from any matter regarding hillary clinton. a lot of people might have thought i thought this was all settings settled. i thought the case was closed regarding hillary clinton. what could he be talking about theoretically? >> we know the fbi director both came out and said they didn't find probable cause to prosecute. i think what he was referring to
is the ongoing probe into the clinton foundation. we had previously reported that there was a preliminary inquiry into the clinton foundation that's been going on over the last several months, and doj did not give the authorization for a morrow bust investigation. it was sort of at a stand still before the election. we'll have to see what happens now under the new administration. i think that's what he was referring to. >>. >> i said he had not studied the hacking situation and was not necessarily up to speed on that. it seemed like to me he was trying to get that issue off the table as soon as possible in case donald trump was potentially watching this hearing. then he went on and as the hearing went on and said that he
was aware of it, but i was struck by that, but, again, i was just struck by his -- he was utterly prepared for this. 20 years is a long time to prepare. he wanted right out of the gate to exactly go back to that moment from the 1980s. a very painful moment. he talked about a race much more openly than i thought. again, talking to just a few staffers up there. you know, this may be a party line confirmation. important to remember he needs only 50 votes, 51 votes, and republicans have those votes. you can bet at least a few democrats unless we learn something else may support him as well. >> and maybe presumably he is up to speed at least a little bit on the russian hacking. this theoretically could become part of his job if he is confirmed because the fbi is part of the investigation into whatever hacking took place, the intelligence community part of which is the fbi plays a role, and if there are any criminal
charges that take place. this would be under attorney general jeff sessions. >> right. he was asked if these probes lead to further russian connections that even go to trump or his staff, you know. is he willing to follow there, and he said that he would. senator graham after learning that he had not really studied the briefing or had the . he asked you like the fbi and laid the trap that sessions would say of course i respect the fbi and they do a good job so that -- not only because the fbi has determined that the russians have hacked into this, but the hornet's nest he's backing up the full department. >> this hearing has resumed. let's listen in. >> i won't know unless you tell me that there's any sort of
15-minute break or anything, you let me know. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> senator kulens. >> well kwom senatcome senator koch gra congratulations to you. the next attorney general of the united states will assume leadership of the justice department ton the he'lels. cause for muslim ban, patrols, issues of a potential russian cyberattack, calls for mass deportations and chants at some rallies to lock her up and given the divisiveness of this election i think it is critical that the next attorney general be well-suited for this position and this time and as such i think a successful nominee has
to be able to persuade this committee that he will act fairly and impartially and share in this. we've worked well on state and local law enforcement issues, on the reauthorization of the child abuse act. i appreciate that partnership, but there's also been many issues on which we have disagreed. issues from immigration, civil liberties, criminal justice, voting rieghts and torture, andi am concerned on a number of these issues when we met last week so i am grateful to the committee and chairman that we are going to have a full hearing on all of these issues today. let me start with the time you
were alabama attorney general and how you received direction from the department of justice. it was the only that handcuffed criminals to hitching posts. it was used for miprisoners bei perceived to being unwilling to participate whether serving on a chain gang and cuffed at both wrists at chest height sometimes at eight or nine hours without access to water or even a bathroom and you and the attorney general received letters telling you the alabama lea 's use in both men's and women's prisons was unjustified, but as i understand the hitching posts
continued to be used. and was not acted on to terminate it. the state of alabama was sued not just about hitching posts but chain gangs. the -- a man could be put on a chain gang for not making his bed, being shaved, shackled between eight chain of men and the case brought demonstrated were disproportionally affecting african-americans. in later litigation the practice of using the hitching post was called by an alabama judge the most painful and torture rous short of execution. and the united states supreme court said the hitching post was clearly unconstitutional when it was used in alabama. can you please tell me your view
of using the hitching post in corrections and what action you would take today if these practices were restored? >> thank you very much, senator. that was an issue of the governor who campaigned and promised that prisoners should work and he was determined to make that happen. i believe the litigation occurred after my time as attorney general but i could be wrong and i will supplement the record for you. i believe the cases were after leaving, but the issue is what we have dealt with by congress and state legislatures. i think good employment of a prisoner is a healthy thing. i do not favor personally this kind of work, i think it should
be more productive work, work to help the individual develop a discipline to use when they go on to private life after they leave prison. after the supreme court ruling i think it's crystal clear what the law is, that was disapproved and disallowed and found to be unconstitutional and i would absolutely follow that as attorney general. >> in your view, did it take a ruling by the u.s. supreme court to clarify this constituted torture, that it was not just bad corrections policy but substantively torture of prisoners? >> senator, i don't recall ever personally being engaged in the studying of the congressional issues at stake. it's legitimate for prisoners to work but they should be on decent conditions and i think it should be the kind of work that's productive and could actually lead to developing good habits.
i've heard some evidence on that subject, so i do not have a legal opinion about the case. have not studied the details of it. >> just to be clear what i was pressing you on there was the use of the hitching post which is a disciplinary measure that has been abandoned by every state but alabama it was used by the stocks centuries ago and tr struggling to me that it continued without challenge. and to address ways in which our criminal justice system is broken and the disparagement of incarceration that has happened over the last 30 years. we wrote about the importance of balance of criminal judge, senators cornyn, lee and flake have all addressed mandatory
prison sentences and incarceration, and in my years you have opposed all of these buy partisan sentencing reforms, help me understand why you are against the revisitation of sentences that may have been overly harsh when initially imposed and help me understand whether you think it is ever proper for a prosecutor to charge anything less than the most serious charge possible. >> a lot of questions, so the sentencing act has one foundational requirement now and that's the minimum mandatories. the guidelines have been either made voluntary by the sentencing commission and the courts and the policies of the attorney general, so the thing that does stand in place are the min
numb -- minimum mandatories, the minimums for sentencing offense, in 2001 it was opposed by the bush administration, a number of years later could have been done in 2001 when i made a speech in favor of it. made a speech saying what you are saying that it was disproportionally impacting our african-american community and we needed to fix it and eventually it was passed, so i have a record of doing that, number one. number two the guidelines were reduced the justice department has reduced its requirements, the justice department allows a prosecutor to present a case to the judge that doesn't fully reflect the evidence that they have in their files about a
DifferenceBorderProgramOperation-streamlineMexicoCountryBorder-crossingTermsRecidivismBorder-crossersPolicyZero-tolerancei am shannon bream in washington. it's true -- if true, it's a bombshell we are starting with. rudy giuliani says special ponds or robert mueller is promising to follow justice department guidelines that a sitting president cannot be indicted. has implications for the russia collusion probe and may come as a disappointing to the president's critics. kristin fisher have the details. >> this is a significant development but it still doesn't mean that president trump is unclear. what it means is that according to his attorney, the special convalesce concluded that he did not have the power to indict a sitting president. robert mueller could recommend impeachment to the house of representatives but an indictment rudy giuliani said tonight that mueller told him two weeks ago that his team will follow the department of justice guidelines which has a sitting president cannot be indicted. >> i think that they have the facts on which they can write their report. going to write a fair report, write it. if you're going to write an unfair report, write it and we
will combat it. we are ready to rip it apart. >> giuliani touched on what he dropped the bomb two weeks ago that president trump did reimburse michael calling for the payment to stormy daniels when asked if he did that because he knew that this financial disclosure form released today was about to drop. here's what he said. >> sure absolutely. the president was fully aware of it and he endorsed a strategy. we wouldn't do it without him. >> tomorrow is the one-year anniversary of mueller's appointment as special counsel, so tonight giuliani used the occasion to again call for an end of the investigation. doubtful that will make a difference to mueller. >> shannon: also developing tonight, what is the latest on north korea threatening to pull out of the summit next month with president trump? >> the white house is downplaying the threat from north korea. president trump said today that the north koreans haven't said anything to the white house about canceling next month's summit in the white house press secretary said that this threat did not come as a surprise.
>> this is something that we fully expected. this president is very used and ready for tough negotiations. if they want to meet, we will be ready. if they don't, that's okay too. continue with the campaign of maximum pressure. like i said, if they want to meet, the president will certainly be ready. >> north korean officials cited ongoing joint military drills between the u.s. and south korea as part of a reason they were reconsidering. another reason, they didn't like something the national security advisor john bolton said on fox news sunday. he compared north korean denuclearization to the dismantling of libya has nuclear weapons program. today the north koreans called him. >> what is your reaction to them calling you out by name? >> it is nothing new. in 2003, they called me human scum, called me a bloodsucker.
requirements. breaking information sent from newly released transcripts regarding the infamous trump tower meeting where donald trump jr. met with a russian lawyer who supposedly had damaging information on hillary clinton. peter doocy has this report from capitol hill. >> donald trump jr. said he kept his dad in the dark in june 2016 when russians came calling with potential dirt. congressional investigators asked, did he say i wasn't i told about this meeting? no. >> did you find it odd? >> no. >> the meeting almost didn't happen. rob goldstone told congress i believed it with a bad idea and we shouldn't do it and i give the reason for that being that i am a music publicist. politics i knew nothing about. once the meeting started, things unfolded like this, according to a u.s. citizen of georgian descent who works for a group run by a russian oligarch. mr. trump asked for a godly on
rudy giuliani claiming special counsel robert mueller has told him where the trump legal team that the president is immune from indictment. all right, let's turn to former deputy assistant attorney general under george w. bush tom dupree. great to have you with us. this sounds like he's following the path that most people would expect. what does it mean, what does that mean for the president? >> what it means this indictment is off the table. i think a lot of people anticipated this. there is a binding opinion from the office of legal counsel which is a component of the justice department that binds justice department employees, including bob mueller that is you cannot indict a sitting president. i think most people felt that mueller would adhere to that requirement and that decision. which he now apparently has said he will. but the important thing here i think it is that almost certainly after the president's opponents are disappointed that mueller has punctured the balloon and that this is not going to end an indictment, it does not mean that president is out of the weather as far year
because because the constitutional remedy case like this, if mueller found evidence of a crime, will be impeachment. it suggests the guilt or innocence if mueller were to find something would be adjudicated not in a court of law but in the united states congress. >> shannon: you wonder if you are going to have a repeat where he lays out a case and they think it's going to be a case against hillary clinton and then even with these things we found it's not prosecutable. it puts information out there. mueller could do the same. >> i would not be surprised if the final chapter in this, as far as bob mueller is concerned is that he puts his facts forward. either to congress or some sort of public report and basically says to people in congress, do with this what you wish. my job is done. >> shannon: there has still been discussion of whether or not the president will talk to the mueller team. nearly everyone in the legal community and his attorneys are saying no, not good to happen. the question of whether he gets subpoenaed or not and how he
up. part of what it's doing. going to continue wrapping up the summer. what we know about mueller because there were predictions last year before the end of year, christmas, thanks giving, here we are. >> independent counsel investigations never get handled in an efficient way. they always gone much longer than anyone had dissipated. but i will say this. i think the clock is ticking on bob mueller. he's been in office for little over year. he's completed what appears to be the bulk of the investigation. we know he's wanting to talk to the president. while the american people are patient, their patients is not infant. i think at some point this can be increasing public demand for mueller to wrap it up. get what he needs and bring to a close. >> shannon: despite the developments thus far we have seen, thus far, we don't know what we don't know, no evidence of collusion. >> we don't know. my guess is mueller still has cards left to play but they haven't time anything making all the stuff to the president himself. >> shannon: all right, tom dupree, gray tabby. at the white house,
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>> shannon: we need help, mr. president, that's the headline from tonight roundtable at the white house featuring a group of california officials define their state government on california's controversial century law. trace gallagher joins us with highlights from the meetings and reactions. >> 3,000 miles away from the golden state and still the the presidents had started by california mayors, sheriffs, and local leaders who opposed the state sanctuary laws. assemblywoman melissa melendez called it the california resistance. >> you have invited us here to talk about the issue. i've been in california for five years. not once has governor brown invited any republicans to discuss the issue. it's a crisis. that's the point where act. >> california's take her policies allow local authorities to shelter legal immigrants from federal immigration agents.
even after the illegal immigrants have broken the law. the trump administration has of california, calling its policies dangerous and unconstitutional. here is the president. >> a law that forces the release of illegal immigrant criminals, drug dealers, gang members, and violent predators into your communities. california's law provide safe harbor to some of the most vicious and violent offenders on earth. >> california governor jerry brown tweeted "donald trump is relying on immigration, lying about crime, and lying about the laws of california." flying in a dozen republican politicians to fire him and praise has reckless policies changes nothing. we the citizens of the fifth largest economy in the world are not impressed." many of those citizens are also pushing back. to date, three california counties and 19 cities have opted out of the states sanctuary laws. that's a small portion of a giant state but individually the numbers are much closer. a2017 public policy institute of
california poll showed 48% of adults favor the century law. 42% oppose. a "washington post" article called california a rogue state, noting that conservative residents are challenging these dates liberal resistance. california congressional candidate believes a "red wave is coming." because people are "pissed off about far left politicians." homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen told congress this week that smuggling cartels are making at least $500 million a year bringing migrants into the u.s. >> shannon: trace gallagher, thank you. all right, two of those rebels join me now. troy edgar, mayor of los alamitos county and margaret means, there fresno county sheriff. thank you for being here. mayor, what was it like today? >> i heard help was on the way.
he was really encouraging. an action oriented meeting. he had their share of talking about the law-enforcement side, had the city council members focused on the constitutional issue, checks and balances the need to happen between the federal, state, and local jurisdictions. >> shannon: sheriff, i want to review something from the executive director of the aclu of san diego talking about law enforcement working with the immigrant communities. she said "nationwide law enforcement leaders and police chiefs acknowledge public trust is key to effective community policing. we know people are less likely to report crimes when victims and witnesses. they may be deported if they contact local police. it's an argument we hear a lot." what's the reality of the impact of the century state laws on your ability to do your job as a law enforcement official? >> the impact is that this entry state law protects criminals, not victims and witnesses. that is the big problem. the big myth that some of the victims and witnesses are being told. that make them afraid.
so the sanctuary state laws says that when somebody commits a crime, gets arrested, and gets booked into a county jail, i am prohibited from talking to i.c.e. about some of those inmates in my jail. nothing about victims and witnesses. in fact, we put a lot of effort into trying to reassure people in our community that if you are a victim or a witness to a crime, i can actually help you be here legally by recommending a visa that gives someone a three year legal residency if they report the crime and are involved in the prosecution. so that is completely fake. it's a myth. unfortunately it's causing more fear in our communities that are victimized. >> shannon: you heard in the report, trace gallagher talked about how governor brown responded to you being there. your lieutenant governor gavin newsom says "cute meeting, donald trump. cherry picking a few right wing electives." since your team didn't brief you
come here are the facts. sanctuary counties have fewer crimes, higher median household incomes, lower poverty, and lower unemployment. mayor, if that is the case, why are you fighting back? >> i am hoping he isn't really telegraphing what could come if he was to be elected as governor. we are hoping for a governor who work with us. we are bipartisan on city council. we have to work with both sides of the aisle. we are reasonable, not lowlife like governor brown called us. but we are hoping to do is lead by example. the president of the united states invited the people back to their house. he invited city council members one of the smaller cities in orange county, the sheriff, a bunch of people. he wants to have a dialogue. he wants to get feedback. like melissa melendez said, we would welcome a discussion with governor brown. as a matter of fact, the attorney general xavier becerra, i would love to have an open forum with him. have them come to a little city
where he can beat up on someone where he doesn't feel as prepared as a bipartisan person dealing directly at the retail level in politics. we know what's going on. it's not a partisan issue. it's something people want. they want law and order. >> shannon: we took the show out there for a couple days in los angeles. we were all over the state talking to people, seeing what was going on. a number don't lie. independent studies show high poverty rate, throwing homelessness, crime issues, fiscal issues as well. sheriff, what are you hearing from people in your community about how they feel about what's being decided in sacramento by the top and how it trickles down in your community? >> what i'm hearing in my community is great support for fighting back on the sanctuary state issues. it's really important to us to be able to have open dialogue with our federal law enforcement partners. we learned that after 9/11. we learned how important communication and relationships are. and now here we are years later,
and people seem to have forgotten that message. and it's very disappointing to me. i've been sheriff now for 12 years. and i really feel like i know what my community wants, and they want the rule of law. we are not talking about our hardworking immigrants out there not committing crimes. we do not ask victims or witnesses of crimes that they are here illegally or not. my concern is when somebody gets arrested and booked into our jails, we need to have free-flowing information going back and forth. with i.c.e. in our jail population. >> shannon: you mentioned that the white house you're worried about having an ms-13 gang member and not being able to tell federal agency had someone like that. sheriff mims and mayor edgar, keep us updated. thanks for dropping in. exclusive new video, critics allege show that palestinian schools partially funded by u.s. tax dollars may be pushing students to riot and encouraging them to attack jews.
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video from an israeli american journalist went into because of this week to show how the u.n. relief agency is allegedly encouraging palestinian children to take part in these deadly riots. >> this is purportedly the school assembly in gaza ahead of monday's violent clashes on the border. the journalists claim the school is run by the u.n. relief agency but we can't independently verify that any of the claims in the video. they provide humanitarian aid to millions of refugees across the middle east including schools and hospitals. let the agency has also been criticized by israeli and u.s. lawmakers for teaching anti-israel and anti-semitic views and its schools. this new video could fuel those allegations because it alleges students are being taught they have the right to return to the lands taken by israel and claim them by any means necessary.
gives more than $360 million to unrwa every year which is more than the next four highest countries combined. however, in january, the trump administration announced it was withholding an initial $65 million of the funding because the u.s. wants to see revisions and how the agency operates. >> shannon: thank you very much. let's dig a little further into this agency. for the refugees in palestine. republican congressman from colorado sits on the armed services committee and joins us live. let me start by getting your reaction. this comes from an israeli filmmaker. we can't independently verify it. he says that it is, these are schools, agencies linked to unrwa which gets millions and u.s. taxpayer dollars every yea year. they are denying they are anti-semitic. >> the research researchers haa good work, revealing facts. congress needs to investigate and get to the bottom of this.
i believe president trump did the right thing by withholding the money, as we just stated. that's going to get the attention hopefully of the united nations. >> shannon: i was over there earlier this year and we sat down with the chief negotiator for the palestinians. he talked about, he was outraged about the money being withheld and talked about how it goes for food and education and health care and all kinds of things. if these people are desperate, and when you take away the money, makes them more desperate. his argument was it leaves them to become radicalized. if they have nothing to exist on. what do you make of that argument? >> they say they are providing humanitarian aid, but they admit they use the textbooks that the p.a. uses, palestinian authority, and those textbooks glorify martyrdom. urges the violent takeover of israel by the right of return. it glorifies terrorism. and it does all the wrong things that poison the minds of the children that are now so anti-israel and anti-jewish.
>> shannon: i want to read a little bit of what we got from -- garrett had information. from the spokesman. "as a neutral agency, unrwa is committed to nonviolence in the highest standards of neutrality. or a condemnation of your racism including anti-semitism is a matter of public record." is not good enough? >> no. we need to do research, congressional investigation. there was an obama era report that was done on unrwa and the number of very few jews but that was classified by the state department, has not been released. there are things we need to get to the bottom of that are not being told to us. >> shannon: i mention the top palestinian negotiator. his niece who is here as a professor i think at george mason. correct me if i'm wrong. she wrote a piece on the same since its inception unrwa has tried to remain impartial amid
fighting, violence and turmoil concentrating on helping palestinians in need regardless of their politics. food, water, health care, those kinds of things. that is her take on it. >> i have seen some of the textbooks that have been released to the public. to myself and other congressmen. it's horrible. this is incitement to violence. this is poisoning the minds of the next generation. that's why we have these people going to the fence and getting killed. that's why we have, i was the house sponsor telling the palestinian authority don't take u.s. taxpayer dollars and give it two terrorists were now in prison, paying them a lot more than they would ever make in the civilian sector of their country. or the surviving families if they get killed. this is an incitement to terrorism and violence and deat death. the p.a. is doing that right now
on that front as well. >> shannon: there are millions and millions of u.s. taxpayer dollars involved so it sounds like it does warn congressional investigation. please let us know if that launches, with the track is and what you find. thanks for coming into may. the trump administration and a chinese delegation launch a new round of trade talks tomorrow ahead of a june deadline. there are signs the white house may be something its position on tariffs tonight amid reports of a reduced role for the most outspoken trade nationalist in the white house. peter navarro. we are expecting a vote in the house friday on the controversial farmville. democrats oppose it because i work requirements of food stamp recipients and now some republicans are upset over a proposal to change the way the government deals with the sugar industry. doug mckelway tells us what is at stake. >> doctors no sugar is addictive to the human brain and apparently took congress. for years, legislators have been unable to resist their sweet tooth for sugar subsidies.
like other price supports that help farmers to the dust bowl droughts sugar subsidies artificially -- virginia foxx hopes the amendment will reform sugar subsidies. >> as my colleague has said, this is a soviet style program. it just doesn't comport with white americans believe in. >> her amendment would modernize sugar subsidies by remove it limits to subsidies. every five years when the farm bill comes up for renewal, reforming subsidies inches closer to passage. this week, it's closer than ever. >> the last time we voted on the farmville, it failed by basically only seven votes. >> the trouble is that the farmville is a most unanimously opposed by democrats not because of the amendment will because republicans have include work requirement for snap.
a number of americans receiving snap benefits has ballooned from 17 million to 41 million to be. but the economy roaring, republicans say now is the time to wean people off of it. democrats think it's cruel. nancy pelosi tweeting it jeopardizes benefits for nearly 2 million people or 265,000 children losing their free school meals. >> when i was growing up, it was a school bully that went after kids lunch money. it wasn't the united states congress. speak with democrats opposed to snap reform, some republicans opposed to sugary forms, the house g.o.p. vote counter is getting nervous about the farm bill. >> you need to look at what's the big picture. it's having a farm program that works and putting work requirements and placed on welfare programs. >> congress remain foxx says she will support the farm bill even if her sugar amendment fails. >> shannon: doug mckelway, thank you very much. when the u.s. embassy open in
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won't last long! outback steakhouse. aussie rules. >> shannon: has port for the state of israel become a partisan issue? it wasn't always that way. leland vittert takes a look at the history of the democratic party and israel. >> republican senators at the opening of the u.s. embassy in jerusalem could barely contain their excitement. >> all of the things president trump could have done to tell israel we have their back, making jerusalem the capital is the strongest signal he could have sent. >> there was no way on earth that we were going to open this embassy without my being here to celebrate it. >> you couldn't find a single democratic senator in the crowd. texas senator ted cruz blasted president obama for turning his party against israel. >> we had i think ten house members, no democrats, that's a sad, sad manifestation. >> in and out of the importance of the israeli lobby, the
democratic party then vice president al gore chose a jewish running mate. 18 years later, things have changed. in a pew research poll, self-described liberal democrat side with the palestinians 35% to 19% for israel part of the whole party, it is 27-25. compare that to a few years ago, 143% of democrats said they are simply these were to the jewish state. >> everything in our politics today is partisan and polarized. when trump agrees with something, democrats intuitively want to disagree even if it doesn't go with her principles. >> case in point, the iran nuclear deal. senate minority leader chuck schumer voted against it back in 2015, citing careful thought and considerable soul-searching. less than three years later, schumer lasted president trump for withdrawing from the same deal he opposed. >> there are no reports that iran has violated the agreement
and to me the greatest worries from iran are not right now the nuclear side. >> for decades, support of israel remained one of the few nonpartisan issues in washington. now they support is far more nuanced. with republicans lining up behind israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and democrats behind the israeli center and laughed. >> shannon: leland vittert, thank you very much. several potential 2020 contenders gather again washington to offer their ideas for how democrats can beat president trump. here's a sampling of what they have got in mind. >> we don't value women in society, and that's just a fact. it's not just i feel exposed because i'm tearing up because i'm not like a man. how about i am tearing up because i'm so angry and frustrated and my emotional intelligence is what makes this company succeed. if it was lehman brothers -- lehman sisters. >> traveling to the rural south,
traveling out west. i read books and everything i can to understand other folks. when i am reading books like that, i am thinking these folks have so much in common with folks that live in my neighborhood. >> 2016, nearly 3 million people voted for hillary clinton than for donald trump. but trump took the presidency. that is not exactly the sign of a healthy democracy. democracy hangs on the idea that whoever gets the most votes wins. that is the central starting point, and it's worth repeating every single day. >> shannon: let's talk about with leslie marshall. along with larry o'connor who i feel like might have strange and eye socket from the rolls i saw. democracy, not a republic. someone hasn't been reading "the
federalist" papers. >> she just derided what makes our country as strong as it has been paid and said it's a weakness. this is where the democratic party is right now. you look at those two reports back-to-back. people who are already aiming at 2020 for the democrats, cory booker and elizabeth warren and leland vittert's report about how they view israel. think about this, shannon and leslie. more democrats elected officials have been seen with louis farrakhan in the last couple of years then showed up in jerusalem for the moving of the embassy. they are so radical on the fringe, i can't wait for 2020. >> shannon: larry, tonight said if he thinks they are so upset about hillary clinton losing the election, they should run her again and have a rematch. lastly, what do you think of the 2020 prospects? >> i don't think these the -- those three people are going to
be any of the people we see at the end the day. larry, i don't want our roles. don't i roll. i feel, and democrats don't agree. i honestly feel joe biden is the only democrat that can be donald trump. they have a lot in common and can appeal to individuals that voted for donald trump in those rest states, the blue-collar workers. that normally had voted for democrats. i think joe biden could bring them back with his no malarkey talk and talking about what matters to them which is jobs. with these people are talking about, there is certainly a lot of merit to women and that women are often left behind. i think it's incredible not just with the me too movement that more women are running now than ever before. as they should. we need more of them. we are the majority of people in the country. >> shannon: to the point about biden, he didn't show up at this. yahoo! news says that they 2018
ideas conference, democrats showed a determination to make the marriage between moderates and progressives work in large part in order to defeat republicans and the looming congressional elections and reclaim the white house. i want to get you to weigh in on how the parts of the democratic party will or won't come together. >> i think it would be a disaster. look at everything the democrats stand for up until this point in the various factions. to turn back to an old white dude, joe biden, goes against every thing they stand for. they keep telling us hillary clinton was robbed, that it if it weren't for vladimir putin and donald trump working with him, she would be president. she got the votes and she's the most qualified person, why wouldn't you run her again? why are you going against hillary clinton? >> shannon: leslie, what do you think about the factions coming together? >> it is needed. the democratic party still has the divide. it sort of like team bernie intime hillary. listen, even if bernie runs
again, hillary said she won't. she is not running. we need to, any party, needs to unite. the uniting doesn't matter. if they don't show up in the midterm elections which historically and sadly democrats don't come up women don't come on, my millennials don't. >> shannon: history favors them in this midterm, the first one after the president is elected, the opposing party as well. by the way, it's a republic. >> it's a democracy that operates as a republic. >> shannon: we have the electoral college. the framers and the founders wanted. great to see you both tonight. red alert, that's what officials in hawaii are calling the official warning they have issued for air travel as the 2-week-old kilauea volcano continues to spew action level. no signs of letting up. we will take you to the big island when we return.
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in the volcano's pressure can go up and can go down. >> it wasn't a big one so to speak. does that mean that we won't see a much bigger, more explosive event? no, not necessarily. it could plug up and we could get in the future of the so-called big one. >> the air quality through the volcano summit is so poor signs like this one, warning drivers to stay in their vehicles for the next 10 miles. shannon. >> shannon: thank you very much. stick around for a midnight her hero. the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers,
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man, on the first day of law school whose name was norman francis. norman was better looking, faster, smarter than everybody else. i asked my father. well he informed me. taught what it was look to walk in somebody else's shoes. he said i wasn't just fighting for norman. i was fighting for my right to be with my friend. and weep just kind of group in that ethos. i scant remember, i had written in the book. a number of examples throughout our life. white people have been very angry at us >> you experienced that as a kid. >> no, i did. when i was 13 years old. back then it was white people in the council chamber, really, trying to get after the city of new orleans. the city was becoming majority. african-american. way on its way to it. and there were, rabid people. you know, in the streets. yelling and screaming about integration. the story its that, that one afternoon. at 8th period. father harry thompson. the same priest that helped start this facility with the community. came to -- my classroom.
the flag. i said, you know. >> confepd rat flag. >> confederate flag. number one, time to take the monuments down. secondly everybody is going to guilt. and everybody didn't get it. it was much too hard a fight. to have in the year that we had it. than we should have. >> in fact your, you got elected with overwhelm sag part and re-elected with overwhelming support of both white and black residents of the city. your support among whites in new orleans, drops by half. >> the stimty was racially united when i came. when i got re-elected it was for the most part. the same. when i took those monuments down though, it, it, it really really, really touched people in a much deeper way. i didn't lose all of my white support. i lost half of all it. in a way that, will never come back to me. and what was curious to me as a politician, i have been involved as you know for 30 years. a legislator for 16 years.
>> when i met you we both had hair. >> yes, that was a long time ago. and i have voted on some tough issues. and -- i have had people come up to me and say, you know i didn't like the way you voted on the abortion issue or on capital punishment, or whatever. but i generally like you. and think you are a good guy. i will vote for you again. on this thing, it was, it was, much deeper than any other action i have taken. where people said to me, i am never, ever support you again. which i thought was really curious. >> you actually wrote that today's public square is teaming with hate red we haven't seen since the 1960s. why do you think that is? >> i don't really know. >> it's too glib to say the is all because of donald trump? >> yeah. >> he seized on something and exploited it. >> listen, i am not a fan of the president's. but it is not his cause. he didn't cause it. he is a sim touchl it. now, he is a perfect fit for exacerbating it.
and he knows that, strategically division is working for him. even though it is working against the country. but there is a much deeper thing going on. so the reason, i don't want to concentrate for the moment on this. just on president trump other than to acknowledge he has been complicit and heap has put the accelerator on it. is because it is a bigger issue for all of us. it is not just him. but it is worth noting that the germ, the seed of all of this is, is racial hatred and sense of white supremacy. which is why in the book i talk a lot about david duke. when david duke was in the legislature with me. >> white supremacist. neo-nazi. >> he was a neo-nazi, leader of the ku klux klan, got elected in 1990. subsequent ran for governor and ran for the united states senate. in one or both of the elections got two out of every three white votes. i have said in the book, that, we are not seeing anything now on the national level that we
haven't seen in louisiana. relating to that racial issue. it is critically important, it is critical to talk about the cause of white supremacy. because we have seen examples in -- in our history. that when one group of people think they're superior to another, atrs tees occur. you can see examples where we as human beings have allowed ourselves. we didn't check our worst impulses to get to a place that created very dark moments in history. >> you actually setd the parallels between david duke and president trump as demagogues are breathtaking. his make america great again slogan is the dog whistle of all time. >> so, yeah, if you spend any time in the south, you speak to most people. african-americans you say i want to make america great. they will go, me too. if you put the comma in again
next to it. that its a dog whistle of epic proportions. to people in the south who are saying, when, when were we great? like exactly what years were we great? what were we doing? and by the way do you know what i might have been doing at the time? so, you know, taking people back to a time when they didn't have the right to vote. the idea of america, based on freedom. not race, creed, color, sexual orientation, not nation of origin. just the need to be free. to feel liberty to have justice. that's what makes america the greatest country in the world. so, when, when people in the south hear that they go that is a dog whistle. and the reason why i compared him to david duke. >> do you think he is a racist president? president is a racist? >> let me answer that question this way. if i said yes, the headline would be, mayor calls president
something, rejects it. never get to the issue. i would recommend that people judge other people based on their behavior. when you see an individual, speaking or creating a policy, based on race, creed, sexual orientation, check off the boxes that's by definition racist behavior. so i've don't think there is any question that the president, since the moment he began running for office when he said all mexicans are rapists, talking about muslims being evil and terrorists, or, the fact that, this false equivalency in charlottesville between white supremacists and the protesters. any body who reads a book on racism would say that kind of looks pretty good. in the south, if if the walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, i mean it is usually a duck. >> i'll take that as a yes. you wound your way around it. >> i think i explained my self well. we ought to judge him. not by calling names. it's about accurately and
without judgment describing behavior. >> you watched what's going on at the border. do you, do you think that's part of the dog whistling? >> the answer to the question is yelgs. these are all -- different ways of exhibiting the same -- heart, or the same mind. is that somehow these people are -- evil. zero tolerance policy is, is -- is premised on, the simple notion that if you come into our country. whether you are frying to flee persecution or not. by definition, remember they use the word criminal. it is a misdemeanor offense. that would be akin to calling your mother criminal for running a red light and getting pulled over. when you continue to judge people, based on those characteristics, it, it makes americans afraid of them. because if you can make them afraid. then you can, get rid of due process. get rid of constitutional requirements. get rid of all, and begin to
oppress. not a good place to be as a country. >> you were elected lieutenant-governor of this state. the state that gave donald trump a 20-point victory. and where he still very popular. >> he's done well here. >> you wouldn't call all the folks who voted for you and for him. racists? >> no. no. i've would not. >> what is it that is provoking support? >> an excellent question. not every person that voted for donald trump is a racist. there are some people. not everybody against taking the monuments down was a racist. they, in essence, are frustrated with the fact that washington is broken you. know what, they're right. congress is incape bum of solving any problem. this last election, to me, its was -- was not really about donald trump. it really wasn't about hillary clinton. though those were the two personages and whom people could vent their anger and frustration.
but when you look at operation wall street or the tea party, and, and that whole thing. it is fair to say that people in america are feeling alienated. forgotten. left out. and all of that frustration, found itself and manifested itself in the election of president trump. >> next on "the axe files." >> collusion in motion is what we witnessed this week. >> you can't have a coach plan for the -- playing for the other team. when i received the diagnoses, i knew at that exact moment ... i'm beating this. my main focus was to find a team of doctors. it's not just picking a surgeon, it's picking the care team and feeling secure in where you are. visit cancercenter.com/breast
>> i work for a game who made a speech that catapulted him into the national conversation. >> there is not a liberal america, and a conservative america, there is the united states of america. >> you made a speech when you took the statues down that went viral. >> these monuments celebrate a fictional sanitized confederacy, ignoring the death, ignoring the enslavement, ignoring the terror that they stood for. >> why were people so hungry for the message of that speech? >> when i gave this speech, i, i gave this speech in new orleans to a local audience. i was delivering a speech to the people of new orleans but to white working class people as an invitation to see things in a
different way to. explain the facts that had never been explained to them to. talk about what the real story is and inviting them to, to, think about things differently. in an effort to reconcile. and i was, i was really shocked that, that -- anything that i said went viral. because as you know, 30 years of public service you give a lot of speeches. some of them you think are pretty good. >> mitch, i want to ask you this. and i, i, don't want you to be, don't want you to go into politician evasive tactics here. people talk about you as a presidential candidate. partly because of this message. and because there is this, this sense that we are deeply divided. and it's not healthy for the country. how seriously are you thinking about it? >> well, couple things. first of all, disingenuous of me to tell you i don't hear that. a lot of people call and ask and talk. but i have been doing this for 30 years now. so i listen to that with skeptical ears. i know -- first of all how hard it is to get elected.
second how hard the job is. and how many people there are out there that would look to do the same thing. so when you are thinking about something like that. you got to think hard. you got to be 100% in so. i hear that. i've am thinking about it whechblt you say seriously. i am not doing what other people are doing which is to, say i am not running then preparing to or setting up. all of these apparatuses. there are a lot of good people that are thing about it. most important thing, david. not trying to, skirt the issue. especially, given the way the president handled himself on the world stage. humiliated the united states of america. and as i said before, took a knee. >> to putin. collusion in motion. is what we witnessed. that it is got to be clear, even to, to some, some presidential trump's most ardent supporters. those who supported him because of trade or the economy. that was a bridge too far. that you can't have a coach playing for the other team we
just witnessed something no president in history. i'm not interested in figuring it out anymore. president from has us spinning in circles trying to figure why he does. what we need to focus. his decisions. does it make america stronger or weaker? he weakened us in a way we have never been weakened. should be ashamed of hifl sell for the way he handled it. we need to figure how to work around him as a country. how to contain him. >> hard to work around the president. >> it's not impossible. it is possible for the speaker of the house to, to grow some courage. and to start checking the president's power. and there are lots of ways we can do that. some republicans are going to have to hold their noses and vote for democrats in the congressional race. congress if it will not do its job, it has the not done its job, are going to have to, going to have to change them you. know what if those folks don't do their job. they will change them as well. this isn't about party any more.
this is about country. the republican party has always prided itself on being the party of faith, family, country. though i think the democratic party is as well. but how do you, how do you really kind of maintain, that sense of i'm a true patriot when you are allowing your leader to actually, you know, give to russia whatever it is they think they need. ronald reagan is turning over in his grave. i can assure you of that. >> so you think this was a watershed moment? >> i have no idea. how many watershed moments can you have before people -- >> i have off to tell you. this one feels different. >> a lot of them have felt different to me. everything we thought we knew about politics has not come to be. there is a silver lining, the country is tougher and more resilient than we thought it is. the american people are more circumspect. at some point in time though it becomes clear and obvious, whether the president is working on behalf of the american people or against them. whether he is making a stronger or weaker. whether or not we are heading in the right or wrong direction. the more important question --
is, why his base will stay with him no matter what. and you know what? even if they will, it is incumbent upon the people not in his base, but like him, for certain things to finally say, listen. this doesn't work anymore. doesn't matter how high the stock market is or what the return to the shareholders is or what the unemployment rate is, you can not basically undermine the essence of what the united states of america is. i can't last for a long time. >> leave yourself out of it for now. what kind of candidate do you think needs to run in 2020 to be an effective counterpoint to trump? >> an excellent question. because the democratic party can always be counted on to shoot itself in the foot. if it was a constructive primary. then as you know, the democratic party much like the republican party, family food fight. will have a number of different iteration. you have, the progressive wing of the party.
really tilting, tilting to the left. then you have -- basically, the moderates. then you have people that are kind of falling in both of the categories. inside. jouf outside players. for me, the, this notion of having a new, young, macron come along. that may happen. i'm, more of a traditionalist. you know i would like somebody with great experience. i would like somebody that can restore america's stature in the world day one. i would look somebody that knows what they're doing. because the they have done that before. that can stabilize and just rebalance the country for four years. >> sound like, kind of describing, joe biden. off awe i think i am, honestly. i've had to pick today. he could take over tomorrow. and life would be better. for everybody. plus he understands, working class folks. and, in a way, that, that -- most people don't. but, for my liking. i think stability. i think certainty. i think a good world view. i think experience. all the stuff should matter more
to the world, at the moment. than, anything else. >> you know, a number of mayors are, considering -- >> good ones. >> what you are describing doesn't seem to speak to -- the mayors? no one has been elected president. as the a mayor. >> true. >> do you think mayors have the experience necessary to run the country? >> yeah, yes, actually. but i want to stay clearly, about this. if we were in a there mall time, and we are not in a normal time. we are in an abnormal time. my view might be different about who should ascend to, to the nomination of the democratic party. as it relates to mayors though. i've don't, think there is another job, in america, that actually prepares you to be president. belter than being a mayor of a major, american city. because -- >> why is that? >> mayors are executing every day. in fact they're ceos. >> you are also more exposed. >> well. >> get immediate feedback from your constituents. >> let me tell you how it works. i have gotten laced more times
than i would like to. in the morning if my wife says, we don't have any break, can you run to the store, grab some milk. by the time i go out of my car get that milk and get back to my car the i have been spoken to in way that would make you blush. if the day before, you did something that the people didn't like. when i go off to the cleaners, at the market, at ape restaurant. what happened to sarah huckabee sanders. >> what did you think about it? >> i didn't like that. made me uncomfortable. obviously don't agree with sarah huckabee sanders on, but she is doing a job. there has to be private space for individuals working on behalf of the public to live. i fully believe people ought to have a right to protest in reasonable time, place, manner. you can be vociferous as you want, as passionate as you want. but at some point, there has to be a line. because then it is impossible to work i the thought it was plain
rude. we are not going to beat them by being like them. >> what is your reaction to the movement among some democrats, to abolish ice? >> that is a bad idea. i had as you know, mayor, a consent decree on our police department. we had to completely reform the way the police interacted so that they became part of the community engage in community policing. never said we are going to get rid of the police department. we said we are going to fix it. the border agents, all of them, are operating at the direction of the president of the united states. everything that they're doing is at his direction. that's where the problem is. so, i would not abiologicalish, ice. i would, refocus their attention. on making sure that, that they take care of people and not hurting people. i, i really can't think of a, of a crueller thing than a politician do than separating mothers from their children. i think that speaks poorly of the president. doesn't reflect well on our country. it was really wrong. >> next, on the axe file.
>> one of the issues that i still don't have a handle on, don't understand and won't accept. is the number of deaths of young african-american men on the streets of america.
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she was a three term senator. from this state. >> beth my mom and dad came from a focus of service. we're catholic. we were born kind of into, the -- ethos during the civil rights movement. mom and dad were always about helping other people. that was true in politic thousands. it was true in private life. i can remember just really liking what my dad did. and hanging out with him. i used to jump in the car. saturdays when he was, in the car. drive around the city. which is what mayors do. they drive around. they can look at the pothole. >> i work ford rich daly. >> he would come home. never told me this. come to the office say that, that, that plant, that's on second. >> the worst day in city hall when he got into the office. he would drive every day a different route to see what, whether this abandoned building. >> correct. correct. correct. >> whether the light was fixed. >> who was supposed to fix snilt. >> we talked about it.
it's not fiksxed. get your behind out there. fix it. he would always tell me really in the course of life without being theoretical. be fair. be just. treat other people well. and, and he would always tell me something that really got later in my life. just, like bother fd the hell out of me. when i would go to him. what do you think i should do. he would say play your politics in the future. just reverberate. whatever happened. don't ignore it. but ask yourself what is the smart thing to do. not the, i'm going to get you back thing. what's the why thing to do. you know, for the right reason. that always was helpful to me. >> he wanted the job so much the that you ran for it several times before you go out. >> yeah, three times. >> what did you learn? >> it's awful to lose. a miserable. there is nothing good about that. people say, it's, you do learn from it. you would be an idiot not to learn from the stupid things you do that cause you to lose. but it's not, it's not fun. you would never choose to do that. i lost twice.
and, i always wanted to be, i mean, just in my dna. all wanted to beep mayor. >> you talked into a city, in desperate shape in 2010. reeling frumg katrina. fiscal problems so on. you, you -- did a lot of great work to, to deal with those, use. the one issue that you struggle with right to the end was violence. talk about that. because the you wrote, right, very movingly in this book. about the experience of having to go, console fathers and mothers -- >> well, first of all. serving was the greatest honor of my life. a tough, tough, tough eight years. we, rebuilt a great american city. but one of the issues that i still -- don't have a handle on. don't understand and won't accept. is the number of deaths of young african-american men on the streets of america, that nobody seems other than the parents and their namely members, to want to
spend a lot of time of on. and i think it is a fixable problem. something i wanted to understand. know. >> how is it fixable. i come from chicago. tremendous issues. >> walking by faith, not sight. this isn't rocket science. this is human beings hurting others with guns. i want explore, violence as public health threat, transmitts like a violence. a behavioral pattern that develops over time. not just because of personal choices. but because of conditions people live in. so i simply wanted to save kids' lives. we got the hate done to the lowest since 1970. however that number its too high. in cities in am kwachlt in baltimore, chicago, even in neighborhoods in new york, miraculously reduced their murder rate dramatically. you have young men being killed at number that are just not, acceptable. that's not smart for a country that, that, wants to be a smart country. >> maybe we should be
encouraging projects. like cafe reconcile all over this country. >> correct. >> and program. >> correct. >> that are bubbling up from the communities. >> correct. >> that have the correct potential to give hope. >> correct. >> let me give you a couple examples. it is true. well, let me start off with the hard stuff. it is not true that guns don't kill people. guns do kill people. people use guns to kill people. we need to speak the truth. it's not just guns. education is important. environment is important. lack of jobs is important. housing is important. work force training is important. >> the issue of the police and community relationship. excessive force on the part of police. the issue that caused nfl players to team. how do you resolve that, really, really difficult question. >> first, a really difficult
question. the first and most important thing is, safety and security. but again as i said one of greater use is how do you balance safety with civil liberties. in the city of new orleans when i became mayor, as i said, the federal department of justice was coming into the city. we had too many, police involved shootings. we had to re-establish relationship between the police and community. if the community doesn't trust the police. they won't call them. they settle the differences. that turns into chaos. you have to go through the very aggressive process of retraining police officers. to know when to use force when not to. the use of force can never be the first thing. it has to be the last thing the police have to be part of community. from it. of it. working to it. if you are not doing that. then you are not in position to keep the community safe. >> now there are some people that think police ought to carry batons, beat people. shoot them whenever they want. >> awful. if that's what the issue of
profiling was about. back to what you and i started off with. you've asked about president trump. the same rules allow to him as the young african-american kid on the street. judge him his behavior. don't judge by race, creed. party affiliation. if he is engaged in bad behavior. you use the power that the state gives you to protect, security. and civil liberties. >> onto people that want to take a short cut that are not concerned that want to put us in position of weakness. if you don't do it right you are going to cause more harm, more crime, not less. >> coming up next on the "axe files." you couldn't get someone to give you a crane to remove the statues. the resistance. was intense. ence, covering virtually every part of your business. so this won't happen.
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mayor. the public spaces are important. they say a lot about who they are, what they love. what they hate. and winton said, you really need to take that, that statue down. i said well why would i do that? he said have you ever thought of him from my perspective. you have had situations in your life people smacked you in the head. >> your father told you. putting yourself in someone else's shoes. >> yes. you know, right awe. my brain. i'm a politician was like, man, that's, come on. you are asking me for a really, really big thing. i did tell him. let me think about it. when you say you are going to think about it. you've really do. >> he had virtually no connection. >> no connection. >> no connection exempt he was an icon of the confederacy. the more i begin to research. i stumbled my way into the real history. real truth. its that, the cult of the lost cause was a -- movement that
occurred well after the civil war ended. to basically put a foot down, and controvert what happened during the civil war and try to perpetuate the notion that the civil war was the great calls that was lost and the country was worse for it. i said, wait a minute. these are the folks who fought to destroy the united states, not to unify it. and then finally as a mayor of a major african-american city that i am rebuilding being able to go to the people and say are we going to continue this charade that some how this man is a person of reference that did something great for the country. it wasn't. i called the question. the city of new orleans has a continuous government. i as mayor at this point in time was continuing the work. we had the course correct. >> you removed this and three other, sort of icons of the, of the cult of the lost cause. around this city. but it was not easy. >> no. it was hard. awe all. but once, once, i started put might self in the shoes of winton and other people.
this was so clearly wrong. and so clearly out of sync with the people of the united states, about new orleans. we are a great cull tie culturl mecca. there is no city in america. that have the kind of accumulation of this, nuclear american notion out of many we are one. our food, music, ethos. we are all in this together. to have icons like this standing in place of reference. that were things that were antithetical to anything new or leends is or was. once i knew it became clear what had to be done. >> yet, yet you couldn't find a contractor. you found a contractor. his car was fire bombed for taking on the assignment. he backed out. couldn't give somebody to lease you to a crane. >> resistance was intense. >> again, i got an education. what institutional racism really
means. when bhiet people hear that they think it is some thing. actually it is a real thing. when people who have power. i had the mon african-americans that their entire lives. so in the speech. i write a couple of times. use a couple of different examples about put yourselfen the shoes of this, the 12-year-old, young african-american girl who is coming down the street looking at him. >> can you look into the eyes of this young girl and convince her that robert e. lee is there to encourage her? do you think that she feels inspired and hopeful by that story? do these monuments help her see her future with limitless potential? >> for the two years that i really thought about this. i talked to a lot of people. i've really did a lot of thinking, praying, research. it became really, really clear. that this was wrong.
and that it needed to be corrected. and i really got to a pin the where i couldn't ex-palestinian to my grandchildren who were yet to be born, you know that i didn't -- that i didn't dupe what was right in front of me. we had to fight every step of the way. but i am immensely proud of it. i am more sure about it today than i was when i started. i think it was the right thing to do. >> you were out there, you were lieutenant governor at the time of katrina. you were in the boats. what was going through your mind as you were pulling people out of the water and seeing p ining on the water? >> it was surreal. it was, for a moment, we had in this country, a complete breakdown of all the government systems. it didn't exist anymore for a couple of days. and there was a dark time. there were some really hard things. we were citizens -- citizens were dead on the side of the street. that's emotionally hard to see. but even in the darkest time, what was most encouraging to me was that people started lifting
each other up. that's how i know the country has a future. we've seen it here. in our darkest time, our darkest hour, people who would walk across the street from each other because they were afraid, ran to help everybody else. it was an incredible experience. but it was a dark time. >> there were -- i mean, the whole community took a titanic hit. but the brunt of it was felt in the lower ninth ward. and the sense that the -- the sense of isolation, even in terms of during the storm of getting relief to those areas, creatie iningee ind a feeling t a systemic issue, and we saw it again in puerto rico. >> it is true that the storm didn't discriminate. it hit everybody, and everybody got hurt. general honera, said when it e'
hot, the hot are hotter. we saw all of the american citizens on the steps of the convention center and on the steps of the superdome. the immediate punch was at the mayor and governor because they didn't get them out quicker. the country left them behind. there are institutional failures that continue to exist in this country. income inequality, so they didn't have the ability to get themselves out of harm's way. you saw this replicated in puerto rico. we talk about puerto rico and isolation. you remember that year, that puerto rico got hit by maria, they had storms in houston and they had storms in florida. right now, puerto rico is the place that still doesn't have electricity. puerto rico continues to be forgotten. it's part of america. it's part of who we are. and the country has missed that. >> this area was really down on
its luck after the storm. and there are -- there's all this activity, not just cafe reconcile, but other activity here. >> we're in a neighborhood that used to be the most aggressive pipeline to prison. and now, with job training, with cafe reconcile, you start to see this area come back. >> i think you're going to miss this job. >> i do miss it. i miss the construction. i'm a mechanic in a way. i like solving problems. i don't miss the relentlessness of the responsibility. >> you slept with a phone on you every day. >> every night i slept with a phone. there were nights i was woken up because there's a catastrophic event. i don't miss the relentlessness of the responsibility. i loved my job. it was a great job. but eight years of it was enough for me. coming up next -- >> you played che guevara.
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DuckQuacksWhegawFatherManNorman-francisShoesSomebody-elseNameLaw-schoolEverybody-elsePeople>> thank you very much. >> have a good day. >> bill: good morning. fox news alert. the first round of trump-ordered sanctions against iran set to be imposed at midnight putting the ball in tehran's course. he is willing to meet with its leaders only months after pulling out of the iran deal. first, a crackdown in caracas. they make it clear the u.s. had nothing to do with a public assassination attempt. something else here. bill hemmer, hope you had an awesome weekend live inside "america's newsroom." >> sandra: always too short. good morning, everybody. i'm sandra smith. chaos in venezuela's capital. invest gators raiding hotels and seizing drones.
two drones exploded as president maduro spoke at a public involvement. john bolton denying any american involvement. >> there is no u.s. government involvement in this at all. if the government of venezuela has hard information that they want to present to us that would show a potential violation of u.s. criminal law we'll take a serious look at it. in the meantime what we really should focus on is the corruption and the oppression of the maduro regime in venezuela. >> sandra: steve harrigan is live in atlanta this morning. what more are we learning about this attack? >> venezuelan officials are saying it was an assassination attempt. terrorist attacked by drone. two ordinary drones. anyone could buy them for $5,000 a piece. they fly for 20 minutes. each one was loaded with two pounds of explosives. both of the drones exploded near the podium. the president maduro was not
injured and surrounded by bodyguards and threw up shields and got him out of there. chaos followed. you had hundreds of national guard troops, national television trying to run for their lives. this was a staged event to try to show maduro was in control. the exact opposite happened, sandra. >> sandra: they say they have caught the people behind the attack. >> they have made six arrests, most of those arrests have a history of protests against this regime. the ring leaders organized the attack in the u.s. and columbia. maduro gave no evidence for why he thinks that. he has been in power for five years, a country with more oil than anybody else in the world and yet their people are going hungry, inflation rate in venezuela after 20 years of socialism at 1 million%. a tough time for him and shows how shaky his grip is on power.
los angeles bureau. break down the worst of the fires for us at this moment. >> good morning, sandra. the worst certainly up in the northern half of the state right now. one of those is the mendocino fire complex. the worry there is you have two major fires, which are on the point of merging. 9,300 structures are threatened. 68 homes have already been destroyed there. and that fire has burned something like 400 square miles. also in redding, california, not too far from the border with oregon. that was the worst fire last week. the carr fire as it was called. a seventh person, utility worker now killed as a result of that fire. it is still an ongoing struggle for crews up there. then yosemite national park. we learned over the weekend that the park will remain
closed indefinitely as firefighters continue to struggle with a blaze there. thousands of tourists have had their summer plans disrupted because of the closure of the park and we hear it is likely to get worse before it gets better. >> sandra: like everything else, politics has become a big part of this debate. >> yes, it has. governor jerry brown of california is one of those who has been at the center of the debate over whether the severity of these fires and the number of them is being caused by climate change. now, he toured the redding fire over the weekend. he didn't directly address climate change but he did call for the government to get involved in helping california. listen here. >> this is part of a trend, a new normal that we have to deal with. we're dealing with it humanly, financially, and governmentally. i've asked the president to make a major declaration.
the meeting between trump junior and a russian lawyer was to get opposition research on hillary clinton. the president insisting there is nothing wrong with that. fake news reporting a complete fabrication that i'm concerned about the meeting my wonderful son donald had in the trump tower. a meeting to get information on an opponent totally legal and done all the time in politics and it went nowhere. i did not know about it. well, byron york here to analyze. getting a lot of attention. i saw a rough draft of the story you're writing about this. what are we to understand now? a lot of people think it's a change in posture. is it or not? >> it is not. we've seen a lot of headlines to the effect the president has admitted that the meeting was about getting information from these russian and russian americans on hillary clinton. and the fact is the president actually admitted that last year. he said it in a news conference with the french president macron and then in july of last
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>> bill: another tweet from sunday. why aren't mueller and the angry democrats looking at the meeting of the lying dossier. the most one-sided witch hunt in the history of our country. fort naturally the facts are coming out and fast. anything new on the mueller matter we need to focus on now? >> we never know where mueller is. generally it's a good thing to assume that mueller knows more than we do about any particular topic. but we don't actually know where he is. obviously the paul manafort trial is going on today. we expect some interesting information in the tax evasion trial of paul manafort. but as far as what mueller is going to do, we know he has not charged anyone with any crimes that involve collusion or conspiracy with -- between trump and the russians to influence the election. we don't know what he is going to do and we also do know, though, that a deadline of
sorts is coming up. the mid-term elections are less than 100 days away. it has been generally justice department practice for a prosecutors not to do something after labor day that might affect an election. >> bill: i think it's the first weekend in a while where rudy giuliani did not do an interview. maybe he is on vacation. jay sekulow said the following about that. >> you have to look at what laws, rules, regulations, statutes are purportedly violated here. when you really look at this, george, and you look at the comments the president made this week via twitter and my colleague giuliani has stated. they're unremarkable in that the idea this has been going on now for well over a year. let's be honest with the american people, there are irregularities in this investigation the likes of which we have not seen. >> bill: you can sum up that answer by seeing where is the crime? what is it? >> where is the crime and how
>> sandra: mass evacuations and extra flights to help tourists leave. >> president trump: they're talking about this blue wave. i don't think so. if the democrats get in, they are going to raise your taxes. you will have crime all over the place and people pouring across the border. why would that be a blue wave? i think it could be a red waive. i tell you what, i think it should be a red wave. >> bill: president trump firing up the base over the weekend in ohio stumping for troy balderson in a dead heat with denny o'connor. the special election happens tomorrow. john sununu, how are you doing? good morning to you. the maps are aligning in different ways. we'll bring back the billboard for this. you want to see what's happening? this is what happened in 2016. red for trump, blue for hillary
clinton. trump won the state by eight points in ohio. that's a landslide, right? you would admit that. the special election, congressional district 12, trump won the district by 11 points. really comfortable republican territory. it has been. the august 7th race tomorrow danny o'connor the democrat against troy balderson the republican. columbus, ohio. portions of seven counties. northern franklin, a lot of suburbs into delaware county, richland and these are rural areas out further away from columbus, ohio. what do you think is giving in this district now, governor? >> there is no question that 2016 showed us that modern elections in our country are unpredictable and i think this one is as unpredictable as any. now the special elections in recent times have shaken
republican confidence a bit. i suspect they will win tomorrow. probably not by as much as they would want. this is happening around the country in both directions. you have in new jersey a blue, blue, blue state of the republican is giving menendez a real race. you have in california the democrats are realizing they have to redirect national funds into races they thought that they had locked up as slam dunks. this is going to be a wild 2018. >> bill: you will earn your money, aren't you, trying to thread the needle. let's show you demographics, specifically this district and race. it is predominantly white, 85%. we look at education here, very educated, 41% bachelor's degree. another 26% have some degree of college. the income levels are well above -- the median income across the country is $57,6,000. here in this district is
$67,400. the gop representatives held that district for 35 years. i don't know what the margin is. if o'connor wins you'll send shock waves across the country. >> if he wins it might be the shock wave that shakes the cam place en see out of the party. when the national elections you see a different mood but special elections are difficult for both parties. i think the republican will win but by single digits, not double digits. i think by next week it will be a lost story. >> this is kasich's old seat. we'll see the margin in the end. do you agree when the president goes on the stump and says i see a red wave and not a blue wave in november? >> there is a difference between what you see statistically and what you see
emotionally. i think he is right emotionally he may not be right statistically. >> bill: we'll see. thank you for your time. thank you, sir. talk to you soon. >> sandra: ohio not the only state with a big race tomorrow. over in michigan president trump is supporting an iraq war veteran john james. he will be here to make his case later this hour. >> bill: looking forward to that. bloody weekend in chicago. more than 60 people shot this weekend. democratic leadership under mayor rahm emanuel failing the people in america's second city. >> i promise this city we won't be defeated or overrun by that small group, that small element that is committing these reckless acts. we will not. i promise you we will not be defeated. hi i'm joan lunden.
>> bill: fox news alert. a bloody weekend in chicago leaving at least 10 people dead and dozens more wounded. the weekend coming days after hundreds of protestors took to the streets protesting growing violence in their city. 63 shot between friday night and sunday as police try and explain the violence to their own people. >> everybody has to be accountable not just the police department. when you have an 11 or 13-year-old that's past 2:00, they should be at home. anybody has to be accountable for that, not just the police department. >> bill: they reported a 10% decrease in shootings and murders in july. garry mccarthy saying that may or rahm emanuel is not doing enough to stop the violence. >> small groups of people when i sit down and talk to them for enormous amounts of time and everybody says the same thing to me. they said you know, rahm emanuel would not come here and have this conversation with us.
and the real reason is because he can't. he is out of touch with it. what they just said is so true, that he is widening the social economic problem that is vexing this city. the divide that exists across the country but particularly in this city and it comes to fruition in gun violence. >> police are still searching for some of the shooters over the weekend there. >> sandra: investigators getting new information they hope will help find the missing college student in iowa. according to a neighbor who spoke to fox news a suspicious black suv was seen circling the small neighborhood in the town of brooklyn where mollie tibbetts was living the night she disappeared more than two weeks ago. matt finn joins us live from brooklyn, iowa. you have been following this story from the beginning. where do things stand this morning? >> well, sandra, that neighbor tells us she did report that
suspicious s.u.v. to the f.b.i. it is not clear how investigators are using that piece of information right now. also we were there yesterday as authorities returned for the third time to that nearby pig farmer's property. exactly why they keep going out there and what they're asking him is not clear. i spoke to that farmer. he tells us he allowed authorities to search his house with a dog. he handed over his cell phone and tells us he will allow authorities to search his entire 70 acre property because he says he has nothing to hide and nothing to do with this case. when we asked him what are authorities asking him about he says i don't know. yesterday unfortunately there was the body of a white woman found 100 miles away from here and caused a quick scare. police shut down speculation that the body was that of mollie tibbetts. people in this area are on high alert. >> sandra: the reward for mollie tibbetts has grown substantially since it began.
it's inching closer to $300,000. >> that reward has hit $250,000 and they added the pay pal option so today when they tally it they expect the reward to be around $300,000. that's a major increase from just a few days ago when the reward was hovering around $2,000. clearly the public is becoming more invested in donating and seeing the safe return of mollie tibbetts. the family tells us they believe right now mollie is alive and being held captive somewhere and they want to use this money to basically pay someone off to return her. mollie's father tells us he believes someone made a terrible mistake and has her and we expect to get an update from police tomorrow. >> sandra: the search for mollie tibbetts continues. >> bill: emergency landing taking a tragic turn. a small plane crashing and killing everyone on board. new details about the moments leading up to that deadly crash. >> sandra: plus president trump
says he is still willing to meet with iranian leaders as new sanctions are set to go into effect midnight tonight. former arkansas governor mike huckabee is here and will join us next. >> bill: north korea saying they demonstrated good faith but new reports contradict those claims. so who makes the next move? >> every single time he does one of those productions he is engendering goodwill internationally which is his goal. to undermine international support for sanctions by arguing look at all the things i'm doing. the americans aren't reciprocating. add-on advantage, booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. add-on advantage. only when you book with expedia.
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calling the deal's rejection illegal and saying iran will not yield to mounting pressure from the trump administration. joining me now is former governor of arkansas mike huckabee. thank you for joining us this morning. >> great to be with you, thanks. >> sandra: these reimposed sanctions set to begin at midnight. what effect will these have? >> i think they'll have a dramatic effect. the iranian economy is so in the toilet people are struggling, they're suffering. the iranian government spends all of its money funding terror rather than roads and schools, and even programs that help people to live and jobs. so as a result, these sanctions are going to feel pretty harsh within the iranian economy. and they are needed. they should never have been taken off. the blunder was shipping pallets of cash over to them, taking the sanctions off, and giving them a green light to go ahead with their nuclear program. i think it's a terrific thing we're getting them back.
i wish it had never happened. it is not just obama's fault. bob corker also helped make this happen. it should have been a treaty. it never was. it has been a disaster from day one to have ever created this situation that really has resulted in the president coming back and saying we're putting the sanctions back on. >> sandra: we're waiting on more details from the white house as to exactly what these sanctions will target. reportedly they will target a range of economic sectors from coal to trade in gold and other precious metals. how do you expect these sanctions to be met by iranian leaders? >> i think they will do what they always do. they'll complain and whine and make threats. but increasingly if they don't have the money to keep funding terror and they have to fund the basic essence of life for the people of their country, that's a good thing. but nothing is going to bring
these villains and thugs to any type of reasonable life, any type of responsible action other than, you know, getting them in a head lock and forcing it. these are not people you reason with. they've kidnapped and killed americans, they've plotted terror around the world. they fund hezbollah, hamas, they fund every kind of mayhem across the planet. these are not good people. let's not pretend that we can sit down and make nice with them because we can't. >> sandra: the president tweeted over the weekend saying iran and its economy is going very bad and fast. i will meet or not meet, it doesn't matter. it is up to them. should the president meet with iranian leadership? >> not without some conditions. i think the secretary of state has made that clear. because these are not people you can sit down and give any type of credibility to. i don't think it's compareal to the north korean situation which was somewhat of an
unconditional meetings. the iranians have a long history of violating every agreement they made. if you look back since 1979 they have not honored not one, not one agreement they've ever made. so for the president to sit down with them gives them a credibility they simply don't deserve. >> sandra: i just real quickly want to get in here. the secretary of state mike pompeo tweeted on this this morning. the president and i, too have been very clear and hopeful that we can find a way to move forward but it is going to require enormous change on the part of the iranian regime. they have to behave like a normal country. so that was the statement put out by pompeo this morning. meanwhile, governor, i have to ask you about the maduro assassination himself in venezuela, he says it was an attempt to kill him. ambassador bolton weighed in over the weekend saying there was no u.s. government involvement in this. just wanted to get your response. >> well, they've made it very
clear it wasn't american involvement. i know the bolliveians said there was. prove it. show us the fact. the reality is we don't have to do anything to make it uncomfortable for venezuela. the president has taken his country in a downward spiral. we don't have to accelerate. i think his own people will overthrow him. the united states doesn't have to involve or invest itself in that activity. >> sandra: interesting stuff. a lot happening over the weekend and a lot of response from the white house. we'll hear more from them today. governor mike huckabee, good to see you this morning. thank you for coming on. >> bill: another hot spot. north korea urging washington to drop sanctions against that country. they say they're acting in good faith by halting nuclear testing and returning the remains of dozens of u.s. soldiers killed in the korean war. >> more tough talk coming today from north korea and apparently some bad actions by north korea
according to south korea. this comes just two days after secretary of state pompeo shook hands with north korea's foreign minister. that happened at a regional forum in singapore. pyongyang demanding today the u.s. drop sanctions against the country claiming the u.s. is acting opposite to its plan to improve ties. this comes as today south korea accuses the north of participating in a violation of u.n. sanctions smuggling coal in disguised as other products. over the weekend the u.n. released a report saying that they also continue to build missiles and material for nukes confirming reports we've been passing along from last week. for its part, the north points to various actions to show it's acting in good faith including, as you noted, the return back to the states last week of the remains of what are believed to be missing u.s. service members from the korean war. the line over the weekend from the trump administration is that chairman kim will have to deliver on his commitment made
to president trump at that summit in singapore back in june according to national security advisor bolton. we are not starry eyed. another quote, we are going to have to see performance. back to you. >> bill: greg palkot on the story. the latest on north korea. thanks from london today. >> sandra: a deadly plane crash caught on camera. take a close look at this video as the small aircraft plummeted from the sky and crashed onto a parking lot in california. authorities saying all five people on board were killed. the pilot declared an emergency before the plane went down one mile from john wayne airport in orange county. luckily no one on the ground was hurt. investigators trying to figure out what exactly happened. >> bill: tough to watch there. 22 minutes before the hour. president trump making the final push for republican candidates before the primaries hoping to flip some democratic seats this november like in
michigan. he is throwing his support with john james. he will make his case coming up next. >> sandra: police in one major city risking their lives to save a man from a burning car. we'll tell you how this all played out next.
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people is really remarkable stuff. >> sandra: why we say thank you to our first responders every single day. they face major challenges like this. >> bill: that video ends in a moment there. you see the person out. we don't know what the condition of the individual is. the body camera debate was so prevalent across the country because of the shootings that we debated here and covered so often. i think the body cameras for police officers have showed us how difficult their jobs are. coming across this stuff every week. these brave men and women going into situations where they have no insight and they're just relying on themselves to get it calm is just commendable. >> sandra: amazing. >> bill: back the blue. president trump predicting a red wave in the mid-terms. michigan was blue before flipping in 2016. tomorrow's republican primary, john james is a west point grad. iraq war veteran and business owner. thank you for your time today.
you have a big race tomorrow. the president has endorsed you. what do you think it's done for you, sir? >> well, we have an amazing campaign going on here. it is not about me but we. people all over the state of michigan are super excited what we have going on and president trump's endorsement put it over the edge. we have to run to the finish and need to make sure we turn the endorsements to votes. please go out tomorrow and vote for me on august 7. >> bill: the president endorsed you and here is the black unemployment rate in america today. african-americans the lowest on record, 5.9% in may. 6.5% in june. how much is that talked about? >> it's talked about a lot. this is what people truly care about. not what the talking heads on the coasts are saying. but right here in michigan people truly care about the quality of life now and the quality of future for their children. it is not about the blue wall or the blue wave but it is about the blue shackles that have shackled the chance that so many of us have to get
socio-economic and achieve the american dream. i look forward to working with our president making sure that we continue to lower the unemployment rate, continue to invest in the state of michigan and grow michigan jobs. i'm looking forward to working with our president to make sure we take care of people's wallets and bottom lines to move our economy forward. >> bill: very impressive. the blue shackles, i have not heard that term before. how do you define that? >> well, it's the only thing that i can use to explain the situation of areas of detroit that look worse than some of the places that i fought over in baghdad. there are areas we pass by and overlook and democrats have dismissed urban blacks as disposable while they dismiss rural whites as deplorable. we need to make sure we do everything we can to support our president's agenda to continue to grow our economy. when the previous administration said we need to get used to the new normal being 2%, democrats said that we just needed to accept that
manufacturing was going to leave. our president and i reject that as false. we need to make sure that we continue to bring economic opportunity back to the state. i have grown jobs in the state of michigan over 100 in less than five years and i have a combat background and i understand that in the battleground state we better have somebody who has been to combat to make sure we don't have democrats who want to keep people in detroit dependent. >> your opponent won by 20 points in her last election. she has a lot of support in your state. i looked at the energy gap in michigan. democrats 70%, republicans at 56. that's a 14-point gap. how do you make up for that? >> i truly believe that when people get to know me and get to know my message and they really realize that i don't have a black message or a white message. i have a red, white and blue message. i have a message of everybody achieving the american dream. i have a message of everybody having economic opportunity and not more free stuff but a fair shot.
i have a message that doesn't rely on identity politics to survive and doesn't rely on socialism. why are you talking about giving my kids $15 an hour? you should be talking about having my kids be able to have a job that's $1500 an hour and that what the trump economy is talking about. when i go to the naacp dinner and people pull me aside telling me they're excited to vote for a conservative. they've never split a ticket before but excited to vote for me and they pull me aside and say they support the president but afraid to say it because they have been bullied into being democrats i'm excited to finally give someone an opportunity. it is not about me, it's about we and having a movement, about making sure we all have a voice and right now the democrats have failed. >> bill: we'll talk to sandy penslar in the 11:00 hour. what do you think this hinges on? is it the fact the president is
behind you. does penslar understand issues? >> i have experience my opponent's money cannot buy. i'm a combat veteran who understands national security. i understand how to keep americans safe. i've actually done it before. i also understand family business. 80% of the economic output in the state of michigan is from small and family businesses. i recognize and support our president rolling back regulations. in reality, it's none an economics class. i have the endorsements of president donald trump, vice president mike pence, 39 conservative legislators from around the state of michigan. right to life, national right to life. i'm the only right to life endorsed candidate in the race. i understand what it will take to grow michigan opportunity, grow michigan jobs and keep america safe and excited to secure our borders, defiend our
rights and defend michigan jobs. >> bill: 37-year-old west point graduate john james. thank you for your time. we'll see what happens with your race tomorrow and talk to your opponent coming up in two hours, sandy penslar. >> i appreciate your support. >> bill: thank you, sir. >> sandra: coming up paul manafort's high stakes criminal trial entering its second week today and the prosecutions star witness could take the stand later this afternoon. details on that when we're live from the courthouse next. >> bill: president trump touting his impact in the economy, 3.9 million people lifted off food stamps since the election in 2016. we'll dig into some of those numbers. a lot of those numbers coming up soon. ravel deal on choicehotels.com like this. surfs up. earn a $50 gift card when you stay just twice this summer. or, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com
>> i'm a lucky woman to know girls like you. so thoughtful, so generous. >> i ripped it off. nobody helped me. >> i had a feeling something was wrong when they arrested me. >> arrested you? >> for shoplifting. >> bill: that's funny. hollywood mourning the loss of charlotte rae, her career spanned 60 years but best known as the housekeeper on different strokes and facts of life in the 1970s and early 80s. she was battling bone cancer. she died peacefully in los angeles at her home surrounded by loved ones. she was 92 years young. what a life. well done. to your family, good memories. >> sandra: remarkably just a few days ago there were reports emerging of a reboot of the
facts of life with executive producers. the show may be returning to t.v. charlotte rae. paul manafort's trial resuming today. prosecutors are set to introduce a key witness this week. manafort's right-hand man. peter doocy is live outside the courthouse in alexandria, virginia with the latest. >> we're learning a lot more how his right-hand man rick gates fits into the charges against paul manafort. late on friday paul manafort's accountant testified at one point she needed documentation. official paperwork proving a 1.5 million loan to manafort had been forgiven. rick gates sent her a fake microsoft word document unsigned and back dated. she used it anyway to help manafort get a loan. she was given immunity by the mueller team to testify and explaining the mechanics of the
scheme that prosecutors believe manafort carried out. he would get loans from companies overseas, companies that prosecutors allege were in his control and the loans would be forgiven and masking wire transfers there is no big income taxes on it. the accountant will be cross-examineed by the manafort defense team when court gets back in session at 1:00 p.m. the judge made clear the manafort defense team is not limited what to ask her about just because she made a deal for immunity. it tripped her fifth amendment privilege regarding this matter so she is compelled to tell the truth or otherwise she can be charged with perjury. we don't know who the next witness is after her, but on the list that the mueller team gave us at the start of the trial there are still 21 more names on it that they have not called. they don't have to call everybody. but one of the 21 is rick gates on the list. >> sandra: a lot of action expected there today and this week. peter doocy, thank you outside
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>> sandra: today the trump administration set to take bold new action on iran when it comes to sanctions. welcome to a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm sandra smith. >> bill: tehran set to face a new wave of sanctions at midnight. we talked to governor huck beabout this last year and the impact it could have. have a listen. >> i think it will have a dramatic effect. the iranian economy is so in the toilet. people are struggling. they're suffering. the iranian government spends all of its money funding terror rather than roads and schools and even programs that help people to live and jobs. so as a result, these sanctions are going to feel pretty harsh within the iranian economy. and they are needed. >> sandra: chris edison standing by at the state department. >> this is the real u.s. exit from the iran nuclear agreement.
the sanctions that the united states agreed to lift in 2015 in exchange from iran that put some curbs and dismantled some of its nuclear program. those sanctions return tonight at midnight. these are sanctions that prohibit iran dealing with u.s. dollars, the currency worldwide. precious metals and the auto sector. in three months they hit the central bank and oil production. officials have pointed to protests in iran. slowing economy, dramatic fall in iran's currency value as evidence that even the threat of these sanctions is already hitting iran. senior administration officials say the goal in all this is to try to rob iran of the financing and ability to export what they call its malign activities around the region. >> bill: is there any u.s. opposition to this? europeans probably don't like it. what do we know?
>> significant opposition to this. first off you have iran. then the other countries in the iran nuclear deal, china, russia and britain, germany and france. those countries are trying to keep the iran nuclear agreement together. the european union came out with a statement today saying they'll try to help their companies continue to conduct business with iran even with u.s. sanctions on. the european union also is trying to talk with the u.s. about perhaps maybe even getting waivers. the u.s. isn't getting that specific on that. the united states is meanwhile trying to build a global coalition to try to counter iran. senior state department official says that the u.s. has spoken to more than 20 countries about doing so but the results of that still are outstanding. this is the kind of thing these sanctions come back on tonight at midnight and it's when we'll really understand what the consequences of all this will be. >> bill: thank you, sir. >> sandra: meanwhile a deadly weekend in the city of chicago.
63 people shot between friday night and sunday. let's bring in "america's newsroom" a-team to dig into more on this. james freeman is assistant editorial of the editorial page at the wall street junior. marc lotter. former special assistance to president trump. mary anne marsh former senior advisor to john kerry. i stumbled on the numbers because they kept changing all weekend. starting friday night now through sunday one weekend more than 60 people shot, more than 10 killed. james. >> just horrific violence. there is i think a natural exasperation among people from chicago as rahm emanuel heads towards a third term perhaps he has a challenging primary. this is a jurisdiction that has had gun control for a long time and that doesn't seem to be a solution. >> bill: we've been talking about this story for years, marc.
it hasn't changed. >> i worked for a mayor before i worked for the president and vice president. public safety is the number one priority of every mayor that i've ever known and worked for. this is a complete failure on rahm emanuel's part. not just police. yes, they play a role but you need community involvement. you need pastors. you need the neighborhood block leaders. this is going to have to be an all-in effort and right now we aren't seeing that leadership. >> sandra: we didn't see a lot of giuliani this weekend but he weighed in. he said give garry mccarthy your support for chicago. we spoke to him last week. tomorrow i will get you information to contribute. make chicago safe again. he can do better than rahm emanuel who is fiddling while chicago burns. he went on today to slam rahm emanuel further. i want to get in in here as this. 63 shootings. more murders in his city. only because of democrat brainwashing he even has a
chance of remaining. support police professional garry mccarthy. he is running for mayor, the former police superintendent. >> here is the irony. giuliani supporting mccarthy when he had his chance as superintendent of the chicago police. under his watch murders went up 38% over that same time period. on one memorial day weekend under his watch 43 people were shot. in addition to that, mcdonald, an african-american man shot -- >> sandra: you are blaming the police. >> my point is he had his chance to do the job. this is not like he is bill branton who did it in boston, new york city and l.a. he had his chance. failed at the job in chicago. the police officer who shot him was charged with first degree murder. i think -- why not pick someone else? >> bill: that's my job if i'm running a city. i'm responsible.
the buck stops with me. if i'm running chicago, illinois, i'm responsible. the buck stops with me. rahm emanuel is responsible. he has been the mayor of that city for years. all we do is talk about this every summer. it goes on and on and nothing changes. >> it's -- i would say that mccarthy owns some of this disaster. they were close working on this for a long time. got no results. obviously since that controversial shooting they parted ways but i think the opening here is for someone who can have a solution to the violence but also we should note chicago has a financial crisis on top of its violence crisis. >> bill: all over the state. >> the state of illinois and the city of chicago, huge unfunded pension liabilities. so as rahm gets into this crowded primary with mccarthy and a lot of others, i think you might see an outsider or
perhaps someone who doesn't arguably own this disaster. >> what is going to give. those who chose to stay in the city despite the rising violence, they're paying double and some cases triple property taxes if they're homeowners in that city. how much further can this go before something truly breaks and people are fleeing the city? >> the worst part is the violence is primarily ran sakeing neighborhoods where them can't leave the city. they don't have the economic means to leave the city. some of the poorest neighborhoods in that city. the people who can afford to flee will do so and are doing so. we have to find the answer to solving the violence problem in those neighborhoods. >> bill: you wonder if you bring in inside support. a state rep on fox and friends earlier today came on tv for one specific reason looking for more help from washington his suggestion. >> as a democrat, i come here today calling on the president. accept that help.
that's number one. we have to receive the help from the president. >> bill: this is something, you worked in the white house. is this something the white house will get involved in? >> it wouldn't surprise me. when i was with the president when he went to detroit and cleveland to say what do you have to lose if you're an african-american supporting me? we've seen the results economically. we're seeing it in the president's popularity doubling among african-americans. i wouldn't be surprised if he went to chicago to meet with community leaders to try to focus results and find out what works and what can we do? it's a state and local issue but the federal government can be a partner. >> sandra: rahm he man wall acknowledge the problem. he was seen dancing after we spoke to gerry mccarthy on friday. dancing in one of the neighborhoods seeing this kind of violence. it is a mayor that looks really out of touch with what's happening on the ground there. >> you can have the strictest gun control laws in the state and in the city but unless
every single state has those laws guns come in from everywhere, number one. number two certainly rahm emanuel is working on this problem. hasn't done as good a job as anyone would like. it is a cultural problem as well. there are gang problems there and a lot of problems to address. he hasn't found the formula yet to address it. >> bill: put cops on horse back. you have to be visible. >> you have to take back neighborhoods because obviously the broken windows policing that worked well in new york over time it became controversial. maybe people forgot how bad it was here before the giuliani era and i think maybe that's what's needed in chicago is a commitment to just not tolerate -- >> bill: 309 homicides in chicago in 2018 through july 29. wow, where is that ever acceptable. 63 people shot since 5:00 on friday. 34 shot, 5 killed between 10:00
a.m. saturday and 10:00 a.m. sunday. >> murders in chicago are decreasing. >> sandra: by whose numbers? >> by the city of chicago. look them up. >> bill: whether it's decreasing or not. >> unacceptable. what works is good community policing. works every time. >> bill: we saw rallies in portland, protests in berkeley over the weekend. here is the berkeley police department in the violence in berkeley, california that we saw. >> we've seen metal pipes and sledgehammers, we've seen metal poles. these are some weapons that can cause serious damage. >> bill: it doesn't look like they did luckily. the bigger picture. mid-term coming up. you'll see rallies in big american cities. that will drive voters and drive attention for these mid-term election. what would you expect? >> i guess you may see some of this but i think there is --
this is probably maybe not indicative, let's hope, of what is generally going to be happening in the political debates this fall. i don't see this as being more than kind of a campus violence issue, which i think does need to be addressed and there is less tolerance for violence when people have disagreements in this case. >> i think we need to learn to agree to disagree again and do it peacefully. for too long our country is built on disagreements and spirited discussions but we are all americans. i'm hoping that we will see a tolerance and understanding for the other side even if we happen to disagree with them. >> i agree with marc. the one thing you should bring to any protest is your voice, nothing else. nothing that could be a weapon, used as a weapon or anything else. i want to point out in the oregon protest a reporter was injured. the press is subjected to violence as well. the problem across the board
here is we're approaching the anniversary of charlottesville. this kind of hatred and violence and fighting doesn't do any good anywhere any time. let's have the debates and arguments like we have here and everywhere else but violence isn't an answer to anything. >> bill: after labor day there will be massive organized protests. peaceful but there to drive out a turnout. >> i think it should be noted while we have this poisonous political environment now these groups aren't the mainstream of america. these are small fringe organizations that get a lot more attention and this kind of event draws our attention. we're talking about a tiny, tiny group of people relative to the american population. >> bill: point noted. round two coming up. stand by. >> sandra: a possible new clue in the search for mollie tibbetts. why a black s.u.v. seen in the neighborhood where mollie disappeared is raising eyebrows
as the local pig farmer is questioned a third time. >> bill: wells fargo with a computer error that hits home. how a glitch forced hundreds to lose their homes. what's up with that? >> sandra: president trump boasting that 3.9 million people have gotten off food stamps since he was elected into office. we'll dig into those economic numbers.
>> president trump: almost 3.9 million americans have been lifted off food stamps and that's since the election. that means they're getting out, working, loving their life. they're getting jobs and paying much more than what they can make any other way. that's some number. that's a big number. off of food stamps. >> bill: that from saturday president trump touting success in people getting off the snap program. also known as food stamps. 3.9 million taken off food stamps since the president was elected. kristina partsinevelos here in the hot seat. how are you doing? nice to see you. >> it seems the recipients of snap are doing better. the latest statistics. 40 million americans using food stamps and now we're seeing a
big drop. a lot has to contribute to the economy, we know that. because on average they get about 122 per month to use towards certain grocery stores to buy food. a sign you are getting americans struggling out of the rut and this is reflected in the economy. you are seeing jobs. >> sandra: going back to the president touting this 3.9 million off food stamps since election day. he is giving himself credit for that decline. so to what policies is he attributing the drop? >> tax cuts and a large number of americans on food stamps during the obama administration. we went through the recession in 2008. a huge peak and big decline over the end of his term. we're continuing to see that decline because the economy is doing well and tax breaks. the complaints are the tax breaks you only see it over the next four quarters and then
that trickle effect. >> bill: going to work again is not a bad thing. >> exactly. >> bill: s & p profits are booming. >> again, tax cuts. american companies, the tax cut used to be 35%, went down to 21%. lots of companies took their money from abroad and brought it back to the united states. they're taking the money and some are investing into the company. they are still not paying their workers high enough and wage growth number that you talked about last week. but it's a great time for a lot of these earnings. i know you love talking about apple. >> bill: we celebrated. >> there was pretend confetti. they're still just above $1 trillion with the market cap. the value of outstanding shares on publicly exchanged -- the
shares are $207.87. >> bill: a lot of these american companies are seeing profits they haven't seen in a long time. >> correct. >> sandra: the point is anybody who questions the run-up in the stock market. charles payne would love to make this point, is that this validates the run-up in stock prices. there are fundamental backing up the record stock market rise that we have seen. profits are way up. >> profits are up. if you look at the level of corporate debt that's a major concern. with interest rates climbing higher a lot of these companies could be faced with a challenging moment further. >> sandra: charles didn't seem too concerned. >> bill: you look at net margins that's true. potentially a looming threat for a lot of corporations and america as well. look at the deficit level. when we have debt we americans -- you have to pay that debt off at one point. if interest rates are higher, that means it is more expensive. >> bill: topic three, wells fargo has been beaten up a lot.
come on. they've been beaten up a lot. what happened this time? >> they just announced there was a computer glitch which happened in 2010 to 2015. they are only letting us know right now that they incorrectly mishandled loans especially foreclosures. let's say 625 people went to try to get a loan for their home or change the stipulations of their loan. they were incorrectly denied. out of those 625, 400 had their homes foreclosed. definitely not good. why wells fargo has said hey, we're sorry, we screwed up once again. they made fake accounts, overcharged for things, added incorrect products that you don't really need. the list goes on in terms of what wells fargo has done incorrectly to consumers. >> sandra: it's a big oops. >> a huge oops. you are saying that they should be -- >> bill: i'm not saying anything. >> do you own the stock, is
that why? >> bill: i love the horse and buggy there, the logo. >> sandra: got it. >> bill: did they lose their homes or not? >> yes, this happened between 2010 and 2015. now they will give them $8 million for -- >> sandra: fake account scandal was revealed back in 2016. >> 3.5 million fake accounts because the employees said they had sales quotas they had to hit. >> sandra: the stock started to get hit the then. it is continuing to be hit. it is under performing its peers. that doesn't help. >> it's a cheap option. some may buy wells fargo if you don't care they hurt a lot of americans. it's a cheap stock compared to the competition. i want to end on a positive note. i'll give credit to bloomburg. they found a group of 11 people at a wells fargo branch in san
jose bought a lottery ticket and won the mega jackpot over there and they're all wells fargo employees. >> sandra: for now. >> exactly. >> bill: good to see you, come on back. >> sandra: we continue to watch this story. the missing college student mollie tibbetts is stretching into its third week. police are tight lipped with clues. our reporter on the ground in mollie's hometown has new information this morning. >> bill: democrats expecting a blue wave. president trump says not so fast. why he argues the potential red wave is a real possibility. karl rove is here to weigh in on that coming up as our headliner next. an energy company helping cars emit less. making cars lighter, it's a good place to start, advanced oils for those hard-working parts. fuels that go further so drivers pump less. improving efficiency is what we do best.
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entire neighborhoods and forced thousands from their homes. nine people have died. >> bill: another alert. authorities in a desperate search for 20-year-old mollie tibbetts, she went missing from her small town in iowa about three weeks ago. police are not saying much over the weekend but we know they have questioned a local hog farmer at least twice. that farmer spoke to fox news. listen to this. >> i haven't really seen much so i don't know what's going on. i have no idea what they're doing. it's just a bad deal. >> bill: matt finn is live from mollie's hometown with the latest there with developments. are there many developments now, matt? what's happening? >> we were at that farmer's property yesterday evening as investigators returned to his house for the third time. exactly what they're asking him and why they keep going back out there is not clear. i talked to that farmer and he says he has nothing to hide.
he says so far he has allowed investigators to search his house with a dog. turned his phone over to them and even allow investigators to comb his entire 70 acre property. when we asked him what it is that investigators are asking him about he says i don't know. this man has pleaded guilty in the past to stalking and violating a restraining order. apparently he has turned down a lie detector test. the reward for mollie tibbetts hit $250,000 this morning and inching close to $300,000. the family believes she is alive and being held captive and wants to use the money to pay someone off. a neighbor saw a suspicious black s.u.v. in the neighborhood around the time mollie disappeared. she reported it to the f.b.i. not clear how the information is being used in the investigation. yesterday the body of a white female was found about 100 miles from here and state police quickly shut down any speculation that was mollie tibbetts. as you can imagine there is
high alert in this area. tomorrow we expect to get another update from police. >> bill: thank you, matt finn from iowa. thanks. >> president trump: you'll be very surprised. they are talking about this blue wave. i don't think so. if the democrats get in, they are going to raise your taxes, you will have crime all over the place, people pouring across the border. why would that be a blue wave? i think it could be a red wave. >> sandra: that's according to the president in ohio this weekend. the president predicting a red wave of republicans winning in this year's mid-term elections. the president firing up the crowd on behalf of ohio state senator troy balderson running against democratic underdog danny o'connor in the ohio house special election tomorrow. let's bring in karl rove former chief of staff to george w. bush and a fox news contributor.
good monday morning to you. how about that red wave? do you see one coming? >> i think the president would be well advised to lower expectations rather than raise them. think about this. republicans gained seats in the house and senate in 2002. democrats gained seats in the house in 1998 in a mid-term when they held the white house and the last time it happened before that was 1934. rarely in a mid-term election does the party in power, the party that holds the white house, gain seats. now, the republicans might have a chance of gaining seats in the senate because the way we elect senators there has never been since we began electing senators in 1914 has there been a landscape as favorable to the party in power as the one we face this year. 10 of 26 democrats that are up are in states won by donald trump. only one of the nine pub republicans -- but they'll likely lose seats in the house,
governorships, state legislative seats. i think the president would be well-advised we face an uphill fight rather than -- >> bill: barack obama lost 63 seats in 2010 his first mid-term. is that a barometer or is that -- >> somewhere close -- it's an outlier because of the size of the number of seats. but typically i think the party in power loses depending on how you look at it 20 some odd to 30 some odd seats depending what time frame you look at in recent past. the republicans need to hold on -- if they lose 23 seats, they lose control of the house of representatives which is why tomorrow's race in ohio is so important. it is a republican-held seat, a plus seven republican seat. the democrats are pushing a big run on it. they'll get a big psychological boost if they win it. >> sandra: here is senator joe
lieberman with his prediction. >> i will say my prediction today is that it will be a blue wave, a democratic wave. not a big wave in the house. democrats retake the house. if the election is today. my guess is that the republicans hold the senate but it will be close. >> sandra: but it is going to be close, he says. >> i think that's right. we're talking about states like north dakota and montana and west virginia, indiana, missouri, tennessee. i think tennessee and indiana are the two biggest states in which the -- florida as well. outside of florida the two biggest states in which we're having serious contests are likely to be indiana and tennessee. the election results there could be very narrow, could control the senate, could be determined nationwide by tens of thousands. >> bill: you've been studying congressional districts in ohio. we'll go to the board and see what we've got.
it is very interesting, karl. you have had a republican in this district for the last 35 years. the numbers really favor republicans. i'll show you on the board drilling down here from 2016. the president won the state by eight points. that is a landslide in ohio politics these days. you probably agree with that. on this district itself if you go into congressional district 12 he won the district by 11 points. some of the polls are suggesting it's too close to call. let's figure out why we think that is the case. but here is the race tomorrow. o'connor is the democrat. balderson is the republican. it stretches the northern part of columbus ohio, suburbs, delaware county, you have some rural areas in morrow and richland, a lot of farmland and rural areas. you look at the demographics here. for this district on the screen, it's predominantly white. 85%, clear that off.
you look at education, bachelor degree 41%, some college better than 26%. very educated area here. then you go to income and you are well above the median income for the country at 57,000, this is a district 10,000 dollars higher. you would think in a regular election we wouldn't be talking about a special election in ohio in this district. how do you see it? >> special elections are really special. you don't have an incumbent. you put your finger on the three things that matter in this district and they all are centered in delaware county. you have white, college educated affluent suburbanites. those people typically vote for republicans in regular elections but are a little upset with the president and his behavior. those are the ones that o'connor the democrat is making
a bid for. he is from franklin county, columbus itself. the center of the population is delaware county and what he is trying to do is say i'm a moderate democrat. initially said i won't vote for pelosi. he changed his mind. now he is making a bid for those people send a message to donald trump you want better. troy balderson who i met when i spoke there earlier this year. very impressive guy. he will run strong out there. the question will be who does -- does o'connor make enough gains in delaware county to win or does balderson hold him off there? >> sandra: you've had strong thoughts on the direction the president has been going with the media. and the president tweeted this out yesterday. the fake news mead -- the fake news hates me saying they're the enemy of the people. i am providing a great service
to explain this to the american people. they cause great division and distrust and can also cause war. they are very dangerous and sick. what are your thoughts as the president don't to take on the media. >> i think this is over the top. every president has a problem with the media. i was in the white house for seven years and i didn't like the coverage they gave george w. bush particularly the liberal "new york times" but i think the president is better if he makes his case on a case-by-case basis. that is to say when they say something that is wrong and then he makes a respectfully disagrees with them. calling names is not helpful to our country from any side. calling them the enemy of the people that just grates on me. i grew up during the time of the cold war. that is a phrase that was used by stalin against the enemies of the communist regime. i think the president would be well advised to tone down the rhetoric.
if the media does something that is wrong, your audience is not the media and it is not the hard core base that loves you. there are people that go to the rallies and when he says the fake news and the media and they're terrible and points at them they scream and yell but to win the election this fall he has to win the people who are up for grabs in this election. 28% of the american people in the fox july poll strongly approve of the president's performance. 41% approve all together. somewhat and strongly. but 51% disapprove and 41% strongly disapprove. he has to pull away some of that 10% that somewhat disapprove of his performance. reach out to them not by simply appealing to the hard core base that is already in his camp. >> bill: well stated. you've analyzed it well. come back soon. karl rove. >> sandra: i like that fancy footwork on the billboard. >> bill: more of that to come. thank you, karl. new developments in a moment. three major foreign policy
stories breaking now. the trump team will be reimposing sanctions on iran in a matter of hours as tensions with iran continue to unfold. john bolton is our guest on that next hour. >> sandra: the u.s. says it had nothing to do with an apparent assassination attempt against the president of venezuela. the latest on the crack down unfolding right now. >> bill: north korea wants washington to drop sanctions. will that happen or will they get tougher? our a-team is back on that next. >> chairman kim made a commitment on june 12 saying that he would denuclearize his country. we've been working since then to develop the process it will be achieved. we were heartened by the repatriation of the remains of 55 persons. ♪
in good faith recently. john bolton with chris wallace on "fox news sunday". >> there is nobody in this administration starry eyed about the prospects of north korea actually denuclearizing. our priority is the denuclearization. kim jong-un promised the south korean president he would do it and that he would do it within a year. >> bill: let's bring back america's a-team james freeman, marc lotter and mary anne marsh. whose move is it next? >> north korea's. the president has been absolutely clear the pressure and sanctions will not come off until we see concrete steps. >> bill: they're messing on the margins if not worse. what do you do? >> that's why the sanctions remain in place. until we see the concrete evidence the president won't budge. >> sandra: can't imagine he would. >> are we back in the same
cycle we were in with previous administrations where the north koreans tease us on an agreement? it seems to me if they wanted to do a deal they would want one quickly. those sanctions are painful. i would think that this would be the moment, maybe past the moment you would want to see more progress. >> sandra: a week after the 55 remains of u.s. servicemen were sent home from the korean war. >> that whole meeting with donald trump was about nuclear weapons and after being provided a world stage appearance with donald trump, which he had always been denied, kim jong-un, he has not only not denuclearized he continued and expanded the operations. the sanctions hurt the people who are already being hurt so badly in north korea. that doesn't matter. he has well muched on his word and no surprise. >> in the president's defense we haven't had missile shots
over allies. he did dismantle the particular site, although the weapons program continues. so to be determined. >> bill: let's see what we do on iran now. this administration really -- there are protests in the streets all over the country. their economy is on bended knee. this administration sees the strength of the american economy as a way it can monetize or politicize the events of the world. what would you expect the administration to do now to get change in iran? >> implement the first round of sanctions tonight at midnight that will hasten the demise of the iranian economy and put additional pressure domestically on the regime. 90 days from now in november the harshest sanctions take effect. that's when it goes into their ports, transportation and their oil industry. this is just the opening salvo. >> sandra: lindsey graham and the president golfed over the weekend. lindsey graham is weighing in on twitter now on these sanctions set to be imposed at
midnight tonight. the iranian regime is the largest state sponsor of terrorism. he went on to say because there are tweets. it's the largest state sponsor of terrorism. represses its own people and disruptive in the middle east. i'm supportive of president trump and his administration's decision to impose the hard hitting sanctions on the murderous iranian regime. under these new sanctions businesses throughout the world will have to choose to do business with the american economy or iranian economy. you can't do both. >> the united states is imposing sanctions and most american business have got out of iran. europe is still trying to fix the iran deal and support it. big players like india, china are still going ahead and trading. >> bill: to that point what the administration is doing is giving european countries a choice. go with them, come with us.
>> they don't want to be frozen out of the network that transfers money around the world. i think they'll end up participating. you mention those protests. they aren't saying down with the u.s., down with trump. the iranian economy is not working, water shortages. also rising protest movement about all those things lindsey graham is tweeting about. repression within and outside its borders. >> the question is are we alone enough, number one, number two, is trump threatening european allies to punish them if they do? >> sanctions will work. we've seen it work in the past and it will work again. iran's economy is collapsing. >> bill: it's a strong tool. marc lotter, james freeman and mary anne marsh, thank you.
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>> sandra: amazon upping the features for the echo that can keep your home safe from potential burglars. the 24/7 crew is here to talk about this. charlie shimkus and brett larson. let's start with you, brett. what is the feature alexa can now do? >> it's kind of funny. she will have this away feature when you are not there, she will play random conversations to make it sound as if someone is in your house. i should mention terrify your animals. >> sandra: did anybody think of "home alone"? >> bill: cardboard cut-outs. >> there will be the couple arguing over a tv show, the woman on the phone with her mom trying to build ikea furniture. the subjects are funny. i hope they put a time of day in there. if you live in a townhouse or an apartment your neighbors are not going to enjoy -- >> bill: you can select what
conversations. dog could be barking? >> sandra: leave the tv on is an old school version. >> the conversations only last an hour. >> >> bill: it's only a give away for the stupid burglars. what's going on with the brady bunch? >> the iconic brady bunch house was up for sale. former in sync band member said he thought he placed the winning bid. he was told he did. he celebrated the fact the house would be his. he was told that a corporate buyer -- a hollywood studio purchased the home. it is a beautiful home. >> mr. brady designed it. >> what happened here a studio outbid him even though he was told he already purchased the house and it would be his because the studio was going to outbid him.
whatever it cost to get the house it would be his. he is left heartbroken because he doesn't have the home and feels like it is unfair. he was up against this big-time studio that can buy the house. >> bye-bye bye to his bid. it was up for $1.8 million. the house. i don't know if i would want this house, though. it is second to the white house the most photographed house in america. so you will always have people taking pictures of this house and you won't have privacy. >> bill: what was your favorite brady bunch episode of all time? the king's island? >> the rollercoaster was a good one. i like the one where they made the house into a haunted house. >> sandra: i can't specifically recall anything. i got marsha, marsha, marsha. >> bill: mine was oh my nose.
footballs flying through the air. >> the boyfriend one. >> george glass. my boyfriend, george glass. i think i've seen every brady bunch episode. >> bill: i think i have, too. thank you, brett and carley. oh my nose. the clock is moving closer to midnight when the trump team plans to restart sanctions under the obama iran deal. brand-new reaction from the white house, national security advisor john bolton is our guest live coming up. if you're turning 65, you're probably learning
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>> sandra: it is the top of the hour and a fox news alert. bold new action against iran as we await details from the white house on u.s. sanctions set to be reimposed hours from now. welcome to a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm sandra smith. >> bill: i'm bill hemmer. good morning. i know you had a great weekend. >> sandra: always too short. >> bill: here we go. third hour. first, sanctions go into effect at midnight after trump pulled out of the iran nuclear deal in may. they arrive on the heels of the offer to meet with the president of iran. governor mike huckabee framed it this way. >> they fund every kind of mayhem across the planet and these are not good people. these are not people you can sit down and give any type of
credibility to. the iranians have such a long history of violating every agreement they've made. if you look back since 1979 they have not honored, not one, not one agreement they've ever made. >> bill: chief white house correspondent john roberts leads our coverage. good day to you from the north lawn. big story today. >> absolutely, bill. good morning. might be the dog days of summer but the dogs are barking loudly in washington the treasury department, the state department had a joint conference call this morning to talk about the reimposition of sanctions on iran. none of this needs to happen. if iran would stop its malign behavior and negotiate a deal with the united states to stop its missile development, support for terrorism and other destabilizing activities, there would be no need for sanctions. meantime, the president is going to put maximum economic pressure on iran. executive order he signed this morning prohibits iran's use of
the american dollar, prohibits the sales of aluminum and steel to iran. hits the automotive sector, 90 days from now implements new sanctions on the petroleum industry. the president has offered to iranian president. so far it's been met by bluster from iran. maybe it could lead to an opening somewhere down the road. nobody is optimistic. the president going off again on the trump tower meeting. the president tweeting yesterday fake news reporting a complete fabrication that i am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son donald had in trump tower. it was a meeting to get information on an opponent. totally legal and done all the time in politics and it went nowhere. i did not know about it. a lot being made in some circles the president is now
acknowledging that initial explanations of that meeting were incomplete at best, untrue at worst. but there is nothing new in what the president tweeted yesterday. a year ago he tweeted most politicians would have gone to a meeting like the one don junior attended in order to get info on an opponent. that's politics. the president's attorney jay sekulow talked about the president's continued criticism of the mueller investigation yesterday on abc. listen here. >> you look at the comments the president made this week via twitter. if you look at that comments my colleague mayor giuliani has stated. in one sense they're rather unremarkable in that the idea this has been going on now for well over a year. let's be honest with the american people. there are irregularities in this investigation the likes of which we have not seen. >> there is perhaps more significance in what the president has been saying recently because of the news that robert mueller is scrutinizing the president's tweets as he investigation
possible obstruction of justice. the president's legal team is unconcerned and puzzled about it. one source telling fox news obstruction by tweet is a very bizarre and novel theory. bill, we also hear the president's attorneys may have their response to the mueller letter last week about setting parameters for a possible interview as early as late today or maybe tomorrow. we'll keep an eye on that for you as well. >> bill: thank you, john roberts. a brand-new week at the white house. later this hour don't miss this. national security advisor, ambassador john bolton is live in "america's newsroom." we'll go through all of this including iran and north korea coming up in about 25 minutes. >> sandra: meanwhile big races in two key swing states tomorrow with michigan holding primaries and ohio holding a special election in a traditionally republican district. that race is currently tight. the president rallied there over the weekend where he predicted a red wave in the mid-terms. joining us now is katie pavlich
editor at town hall.com. great to see you as we inch the ever more closer to the mid-term elections, what's the overall picture at this moment in early august? >> look, the president has made it very clear along with rnc chairwoman ronna mcdaniel they'll campaign not from washington, d.c. but on the ground. this comes down to two things. momentum going into the mid-terms. we need more of that after the labor day when things start heating up and voter turnout. the president, as the head of the republican party, it's his job to go out and tell people how much they like winning and reminding them that if they like what they're seeing they have to elect people who have his agenda in mind. then overall the picture is president trump is dedicated to maintaining those swing states ohio and winning michigan as we did not see coming in 2016. so it is good for him to show up not only just for the local
congressional races but for long-term reasons looking all the way to 2020. >> sandra: presidential approval numbers are very good. strong economy. military and just about everything else. better numbers than obama at this point by far. we are winning on just about every front and for that reason there will not be a blue wave but there might be a red wave. last hour karl rove suggested perhaps the president is setting expectations too high. >> he may not be setting them too high in the sense this is his strategy. he likes to win and tells people that winning is fun. he likes to show them what the benefits are of his winning agenda and he maybe set expectations high in terms of a wave but he won't go out as the head of the party and say we might lose so just stay home and don't worry about it. he is trying to get people motivated to go to the polls. mid-term elections are all about turnout. democrats aren't taking any seats for granted, neither are republicans. as we've seen with donald trump, the map is wide open in a lot of places.
we saw in alabama you can't take any red seat for granted in terms of the senate. here in ohio republicans are pretty safe when it comes to the district but they know that every single vote counts and the rnc is backing up the candidate with the money that they've been able to raise especially when it comes to out flanking the dnc and other democratic groups. >> sandra: the ohio election, the race is tight for right now as you mentioned. there is a push by ronna mcdaniel and the gop and president to get on the ground and campaign in these races. >> the rnc has dumped a lot of money, $500,000 in different ways they are supporting the candidate. they just put an additional $20,000 into the race to send out calls for the republican candidate. so they are working hard on the ground there. it is a little bit of a tight race. if democrats were to gain the seat it would flip the momentum and a real problem for republicans because it's in a republican district for 35 years. it is all about momentum.
republicans have to hold on to the congressional seats that trump won but that they've been holding onto for decades. and democrats are really going to have to work hard to flip those seats to get their voters motivated to go to the polls by saying we're winning elections in the most red districts. we need you to come out and push us over the edge. it will be a battle until the end. democrats have been saying a blue wave is coming. republicans are looking a lot better and it will be a lot closer going into november than everybody predicted. >> sandra: we'll see momentum pick up after labor day. great to see you this morning. >> bill: breaking news now. west coast, california. 200 active duty army soldiers will now be deployed to help battle the 18 fires burning across the golden state. president trump declaring a major disaster area there. nine people dead including four firefighters. these crews working around the clock to try to contain the flames. governor jerry brown warning things could get worse before they get better.
>> i know i don't like to scare people but i always want to say we have tough times ahead and no matter how comfortable you feel or how everything looks good, the part of wisdom is to be ready for what we don't know. >> bill: jonathan hunt live in l.a. watching a close story again today. what is the latest as they break for another week? >> bill, the worst hit part of california right now is the northern half of the state. northwest of sacramento, for instance, the mendocino fire complex has now burned some 400 square miles. to put that in perspective, that's a land area larger than new york city or dallas. almost 10,000 homes and other buildings remain threatened and 75 homes have already been destroyed in what is now officially one of the largest fires on record in the state. and we learned over the weekend the parts of yosemite national
park will remain closed indefinitely because of fires there. already thousands of families have had their summer plans disrupted because of the park's closure and there is apparently no end in sight. another of the worst fires in california history is the carr fire around the redding area. about 100 miles south of the oregon border. a seventh person, utility worker, died in that fire over the weekend as armies of firefighters continue to battle. governor jerry brown toured redding neighborhoods destroyed by the flames. the governor has previously blamed climate change for the field fires. he didn't mention that subject directly but asked president trump for help. >> this is part of a trend, a new normal that we have to deal with. we're dealing with it humanly, financially, and government.
>> the president ordered federal assistance while tweeting what he considers the causes of a longer, stronger fire season saying california wildfires are being magnified and made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren't allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. it is being diverted into the pacific ocean. but also tree clear to stop fires spreading. at the top, fox news has learned in the wake of the president's major disaster declaration around 200 active duty soldiers with engineering specialties are being deployed by joint base louis mccord in washington state to help firefighters in california. with extreme heat on tap all week again here, bill, those firefighters certainly need all the help they can get. >> bill: indeed they do. jonathan hunt watching that
story from california. >> sandra: tragedy in paradise. a massive earthquake strikes in the south pacific. the second one in a week. details on the devastation there plus this. >> if we don't get democrats to vote for that they have the power to shut down the government and the president will get blamed for it. i prefer he campaign strongly on the wall telling the voters to vote for members of congress and the senate who are committed to building the wall. >> bill: the threat of a government shutdown on the hill. anti-ice rhetoric sparking a new feud. dan patrick is on deck. >> sandra: an alleged assassination attempt on president maduro's life. why he is calling on president trump to take action. my father passed this truck down to me,
continued threat from the president to shut down the government if he doesn't get funding for the wall? >> well, sandra, so far the president has been right virtually every time on his strategy. i will leave it to him to make that decision. there are reasons we need the wall. one, just in texas alone in the last seven years we have charged people here illegally with over 600,000 crimes. if you extrapolate that to the country it's more than a million crimes by people who are here illegally. the cost to education. one out of five students in texas is not proficient in english. it costs a lot and they're so far behind they drop out after the investment in them. the third the cost of healthcare. ask any doctor or patient. what i call the dignity of man. people want to come here legally. they don't want to live in the shadows. we have to fix our legal immigration system. it's broken.
five, it's the most divisive issue in the country. we have democrats now on the radical left who want to eliminate ice. what a radical idea. they are protecting us and helping catch sex traffickers. we need ice and we need a border wall and i think it is such an important issue, the most important issue we face now in this country that the president wants to shut down the government, that's his call and i would support it. >> sandra: you mentioned we need ice. the former director of ice is firing back at this anti-ice sentiment that we continue to hear coming from democrats in the case of most recent case new york democrats. he says it is like -- this is him saying it. >> it's like a race, who can be further left and hate ice more. i would like to remind the person that wants to be the attorney general for the state of new york ice arrested and removed over 5,000 criminal aliens off the streets of new york last year. took them out of their neighborhoods. so she should be saying thank
you. >> sandra: democrats don't seem to be backing off this message. >> it's a losing message for them. i heard representative king talking about the november elections. let's take the politics out of it for a moment. the people of america want the border secure. it is clear. that's why the president was elected. including democrats who voted for him. in texas, sandra, we have i believe it's 19 crossings with mexico. we need the wall around the major crossing points in the major cities because we're being inundated with people crossing the border in those areas because they meld into the population. when i was with you and bill in june i believe i was in new york with you, i talked about that we have 25 to 30 million people here illegally. not 11 that you've been hearing for the last 15 years. it's based on the fact, sandra, we apprehend 400,000 people on average and we think we get one out of every four or five. a million to a million and a half have been crossing the border every year, year after year, 25 to 30 million people.
this must end. it takes drastic measures. we have, sandra, in the u.s. senate the tyranny of the minority. the minority democrats are blocking any legislation like they have veto power like the president. mitch mcconnell needs to change the rules. you cannot let the minority party block legislation that congress will pass and the people want to end chain migration, focus on daca and build the wall. it is time to get it done. this president is right and in certain cases, sandra, it means if he has to shut down the government and thinks it's the right policy to get it done i support him. >> bill: lieutenant governor dan patrick. thank you. u.s. sanctions against iran are back and with force. will this economic squeeze bring the leaders of the islamic republic to the negotiating table? plus there is this. have a listen. >> democrats have dismissed you are bans blacks as disposable
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saying that engagement is vital to national security around the world. he says top issues that will be discussed is nuclear proliferation, combating terrorism, and this is the first delegation from russian federation, the first time they would be visiting the united states in three years. he wants to see continued dialogue with russia and equates this meeting or this delegation as the russian equivalent of the u.s. senate foreign relations committee of which rand paul is a member of. so more on that. >> we have an amazing campaign going on here. it is not about me but we. people all over the state of michigan are super excited about what we have going on. president trump's endorsement last week put it over the edge. we have to run through the finish, though. we need to make sure we turn the endorsements into votes. >> bill: michigan senate candidate john james reacting
to a big endorsement from the president ahead of the state's primary battle tomorrow. he hopes it will drive supporters to the polls. his opponent is sandy penslar vying for the senate position in michigan. good morning to you. pretty good race right here as i mentioned we had your opponent on two hours ago. make your case. why should republicans support you? >> look, i've been blessed with living the american dream which for me was starting my own company from scratch and advising some of the largest companies in the world on turnarounds. i can bring those skills to washington to support michigan people. i've been listening to people around the state and i've learned their biggest concerns are that american dream is getting more and more remote. with more debt burden on their kids and our schools falling behind because they are focusing on seniority rather than performance. the president made great
strides with cutting taxes and regulations. we need to do more. i believe that my background in business and in academics, i have specific plans on how to cut the budget, my opponent does not. people can go to my website penslar for senate.com and see them. i believe they have our greatest future in front of us. we're the greatest country in the world but that dream is being challenged and i want to support it so it's available to all. >> bill: the president won michigan by a hair in 2016. what do you think his endorsement does in this race? i would assume you would want it, would you? >> sure. there is one endorsement that matters, the people of michigan. the people of michigan know that i have the ideas, the plans and the backgrounds to help them. that i, unlike our current senator, who loves washington more than she loves michigan and has put partisan politics in front of the interests of the people of michigan. >> bill: she is tough to beat.
>> i will always put the interests of michigan first. debbie is certainly tough to beat but really, won't be that bad. why? in her 18 years in senate and 43 years in public service never been in the private sector. in her 18 years in the senate, seven bills she authored, five of them are naming. she has been ineffective. she has put partisan politics at every stage in front of the interests of michigan and i can hold her to her record. if we hold her to her record, we'll win because the record hasn't been effective and it hasn't been putting the interests of michigan people first. >> bill: stabenow won her last election by 20 points in michigan. the enthusiasm gap we see now. democrats up by 14 points. how do you think that factors into this? >> look, i think that the polls are interesting. one poll matters, tomorrow and another one in november. i think we'll be plenty
enthusiastic. unemployment is down. labor force participation rates up. opportunities are starting to go up. people recognize if we go back to the pattern of obstruction and resistance, that the senator stabenow is pushing and has been for the last two years in the senate, we won't move michigan forward. so i believe we'll have the enthusiasm and we'll be successful in november as well. >> bill: thank you for your time today. sounds like it's a really interesting race, sandy penslar there for a michigan primary that goes down tomorrow. sir, thank you for your time. >> i appreciate you having me. >> bill: you bet. sandra. >> sandra: the white house set to reimpose sanctions of iran over its nuclear program. the details of those sanctions just starting to come out. national security advisor john bolton joins us next to break it all down. job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms,
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in place by midnight tonight. they were suspended after the obama-era nuclear deal that the president pulled out of in may. john bolton with me now from the north lawn. sir, nice to see you again. >> glad to be back. >> bill: thank you for coming back with us. i have a lot to go through. we'll see how much we can cover in the next couple minutes. what will major economic sanctions do against the iranian regime? >> when they come back into effect tonight we've really already seen some of the implications. the pressure on the iranian economy is significant. the value of its currency is going through the floor. we've seen public reporting of massive flights of capital out of iran. the elites are getting nervous. demonstrations and riots in cities and towns around iran showing the dissatisfaction the people feel. more sanctions come back in in
another 90 days. it's an indication of how strongly we feel that the iranian nuclear weapons program, ballistic missile program and support for terrorism, its belligerent activity in the middle east have to stop. >> bill: i know how you feel about this regime. let's call it what it s. you are trying to break the regime's back economically, are you not? >> our policy is not regime change. we want to put unprecedented pressure on the government of iran to change its behavior. so far they've shown no indication they're prepared to do that. the president has made it clear repeatedly that he viewed the iran nuclear deal as one of the worst in american diplomatic history. i thought he was right on target on that. we won't allow iran to get nuclear weapons. >> bill: you can say and argue you don't want regime change. the protests happening over the weekend have gotten rather intense. and they aren't protesting america, they are protesting their own rulers and leaders
today. >> and with good reason. >> bill: what do you know about these protests today that we need to understand? >> well look, we know what we're seeing in the press. these are widespread. they're spontaneous, not coordinating and not due to the reimposition of american sanctions. they reflect longstanding opposition inside iran to the regime, to the economic deprivation, to the repression, to the religious intolerance. i think this regime is on very shaky ground. the real question is whether the revolutionary guards corp and ayatollahs will use force against their own people. we're focused on the nuclear weapons program, the support for terrorism, ballistic missiles and the belligerent activity militarily. >> bill: the phrase was maximum economic pressure from the president. would you admit that you are using the strength of the american economy right now as a
weapon globally maybe in iran and in north korea? would you agree with that framing? >> i think we're using the economic system we have and its strength to put pressure on these rogue regimes. they are the ones defying their own commitments and obligations. the unanimous decisions of the u.n. security council they not get nuclear weapons. i think we'll make the ayatollahs see the light. >> bill: what would satisfy this administration? what could the leaders of iran do? >> well, they could take up the president's offer to negotiate with them. to give up their ballistic missile and nuclear weapons programs fully and really very fileable not under the terms of the iran nuclear deal which aren't satisfactory. to stop their support for international terrorism. to give up their military activities in the region. you know, this is a complete package. the president has spoken to numerous european leaders about
this. if iran were really serious they would come to the table. we'll find out whether they are or not. >> bill: that's a big ask, you would admit that, right? the complete reversal of american policy. >> a 180 degree reversal from the failed obama administration absolutely. >> bill: the president said he would sit down and talk with iranian leadership. is that real or how real is it? >> i think he was very serious about it. if the ayatollahs want to get out from under the squeeze they should come and sit down. the pressure will not relent while the negotiations go on much as in the case of the maximum pressure campaign against north korea. the president -- >> bill: has tehran suggested they would talk to president trump? >> no, they flatly turned him down. they aren't serious about stopping their malign behavior. they are dedicated to get deliverable nuclear weapons. i don't think the iran nuclear deal slowed them down at all. >> bill: can you isolate the
european countries and companies forced to make a decision do they do business with iran or side with you? >> we've been in continuous discussion with our friends in europe about this. while some of the governments want to adhere to the nuclear deal, their companies are running from it. the amount of business they're doing in iran is down substantially. that's a real contributing factor to the pressure on iran. the business people know they want to do business with the united states. if it's the choice between us or iran, that's a pretty easy choice for them. that's pressure their own govern i understand it you will put on more sanctions in 90 days or so. i believe that's the oil, perhaps in early november if i'm right on the calendar. a threat they would block the strait of hormuz. i guess that's real. do you think the iranian leadership would act on that in the crucial choke point between iran and -- >> the leadership has made a lot of mistakes in the past
several years trying to close the straits of hormuz. it would be the worst mistake yet. i don't think that they are serious about it. i think they are still bluffing. our determination that we are going to put pressure on them until they give up their pursuit of nuclear weapons and all the other activities that i mentioned. that we are very serious about. >> bill: on north korea i'm reading nine cases of coal were brought into north korea under the guise as russian products. what's the level of compliance or lack there of on behalf of kim jong-un. >> i won't get into sensitive intelligence matters. our position is we still want strict enforcement of all the sanctions. we continuously speak with all the countries in the region about the importance of that. we're not going to tolerate diminution of the effect of the sanctions. we want the north koreans to come forward and denuclearize
as they have committed to do and we'll take the necessary steps, including enforcement steps, to keep the sanctions tight. >> bill: do you think that chairman kim has given you the slip? >> i don't really want to speak for chairman kim. i can say this. the president is holding the door open for north korea. he has shown them the future they can have if they follow through on what they said in singapore and gave up their nuclear and ballistic missile pra.s it's up to north korea to walk through the door. nobody can say the president isn't holding it wide open for them. >> bill: yesterday you said you aren't starry eyed is the phrase you used. what are you prepared to do? what would be the next step if you don't see compliance? >> well, i'm not going to speculate on what that would be. the north korean regime knows what we expect of them. we expect they live up to their word. they gave that word to the south koreans and given that word to us and denuclearize and
get moving. we want performance, not rhetoric. >> bill: there is talk of a second summit. chairman kim and president trump. is that real or imagined? >> there is nothing scheduled. we have exchanged letters between president trump and kim jong-un. secretary of state mike pompeo is ready, willing and able to go back to pyongyang and talk to kim jong-un and see if they can make further progress. but it's really not so much a matter of conversation, it's a matter of performance by north korea. >> bill: when will we learn about what was in the letter that president trump sent to chairman kim? >> i'm surprised you don't know already. it's continued exchange of correspondent. the president is doing the best job he can to tell the north korean not to miss this opportunity. >> bill: did he phrase it the way you phrased it. i'm giving you a golden opportunity. you can change the course of your country and the course of millions of people who live under you? >> well, he didn't use those words, bill. maybe i'll borrow those for the
next letter if i could propose it. >> bill: do you think he is starry eyed? >> i don't think he is starry eyed, either. we have tried in every way we can. i think we're doing the maximum sales job we can to say the door is open, the opportunity is clear, everybody is waiting for the north koreans to start moving. >> bill: last question. venezuela, you said yesterday no u.s. involvement. who was trying to kill that leader and how they were trying to execute it? >> well, there is really nothing more we can add at this point. what we've been focusing on with our embassy in caracas is ensuring the safety of americans in venezuela. it is a potentially dangerous time. that's our first priority. if the maduro regime has any hard evidence of people in the united states engaging in activity that rises to a criminal violation, send it to us and we'll take a serious look at it. they haven't done that yet. >> bill: i hope you get to chance to come back very soon.
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the place and people pouring across the border. why would that be a blue wave? i think it could be a red wave. i tell you, what really, i think it should be a red wave. >> sandra: president trump in ohio touting the economy this weekend and saying republicans could ride a red wave to victory in the elections. as the gop tries to hold onto a reliably republican seat in a special election there tomorrow. let's discuss all this with ohio congressman and senate candidate jim renacci joining us now. thanks for your time this morning, sir. >> good morning. thanks for being with you. >> sandra: what is the importance of this special election tomorrow? >> well look, any time you have a special election you want to make sure you continue to keep this seat in republican hands, which i believe it will. we don't want to go backwards. we don't want the policies of the democrats. we've owe growing like the president said saturday. we don't want to turn back and
have a democrat take this seat and start to push toward wanting to change things that are growing. ohio is happy with the direction we're going now. we'll continue to make sure these things continue to grow in that fashion. >> sandra: we've heard the president suggest maybe there could be a red wave. not the blue wave democrats hoped for in november. do you see that happening? >> i agree with the president. in the primary 200,000 more republicans voted than democrats. as i travel the state, people are happy with the economy and happy with the job the president is doing. troy balderson will continue to work with this president to get things done. that's what the people of ohio want to see. they want to see the economy continue to grow and troy is the guy to get it done. >> sandra: the presidential election the outcome in ohio trump 51.7% to clinton 43.5%. it will be closely watched as are all of these races
including the senate races and yourself. you are looking to unseat long-serving democrat sherod brown. how is it going for you? >> when people get the know me. they're tired of washington as usual. sherod brown has been around for 44 years, in washington for 25 years. people don't even realize that in many cases but what they also realize the economy is going great today and this president is moving this economy forward. sherod brown the voting against everything the president does including tax cuts and jobs bill which was important for ohio. we are getting that message out and continue to get that message out. people just need to get to know me. when they do they say we don't like what is going on. we don't like the democratic party who has shifted to the socialist party instead of the old democratic party. that's the message that i want to continue to make for ohio. there is a difference. there is a clear difference. somebody been around for 44 years, a business guy like myself who has been around for 30 years in the business world and just in washington for
seven fighting for those values that we've been able to change here with president trump. >> sandra: so the winning strategy for republicans embrace this president and his policies? >> i think it's embrace the economy that's growing, embrace the tax cuts and jobs bill giving people more money in the pocket. embrace the opportunity to have the economy continue to grow. supreme court nominees, continue to put supreme court nominees who will be good jurists. the president is moving the economy forward and people in ohio want to see it continue to move forward. >> sandra: congressman jim renacci, thank you for coming on the program this morning. >> bill: protestors back in the streets after a deadly shooting reignites a debate over florida's stand your ground law. what police say led to the fatal confrontation.
>> sandra: happy monday. all eyes on ohio where tomorrow's special congressional election could be the biggest test yet of president trump's influence, whether his campaigning there will help the republicans hold onto a district that has been red for years and is now in a neck and neck race. >> the battle over the president's supreme court pick that's heating up. senate democrats saying they'll meet with judge brett kavanaugh as pro-trump groups have an ad blitz. >> one lucky guy. "outnumbered" at the top of the hour. back to you. >> bill: thank you, ladies, see you then. protestors rallying in florida's stand your ground law after a man is shot and killed during an argument over a parking spot. phil keating has that story. what happened in miami? >> good morning, bill.
this is being compared to the travon martin case and once again a very controversial stand your ground case here in the state of florida. protests again yesterday in a clear water, florida church service with al sharpton and the democratic candidates for governor and parents of travon martin. they said the shooter of mclaughlin be arrested. the sheriff refuses to do citing the law. the incident is caught on video. mclaughlin and his girlfriend went to the store. she parked illegally in a handicap spot. he went inside and 47-year-old approached her and argued about her being illegally park. mclaughlin sees what is happening, pushes the man to the ground and he pulls out his handgun and shoots. protestors compared this to the 2012 shooting death of travon martin by neighborhood watchman george zimmerman.
the shooter claimed self-defense fearing for their life under the law. the jury in that trial acquitted zimmerman of murder, of course, if you want *r want to take a look at the video judge for yourself whether the video as the family contends supports them. here is the final moment showing the shove and then the shot and here is mclaughlin's father. >> no sound, back to you. >> bill: okay, phil. we'll get on that. something to watch from florida. thank you, phil keating live in miami. >> sandra: fox news alert. the u.s. reimposing sanctions on iran. what will be the impact of that? and what is the reaction from tehran?
Sandra-smithEverybodyHotelsDronesVenezuelaCapitalChaosGators-raidingMaduroGovernmentUs-InvolvementFormer GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day.
Former GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day.
disapprove. the numbers are shifting for the president? >> talked about it for a long time. a bit of narrow casting. but this is about as narrow casting as it gets. willie, all i can say for donald trump and republicans who are hoping, like a special election in ohio tonight, the republicans hoping that he's somehow going to get them over the finish line, even in strongly republican districts lie this ohio 12. they better hope that their small slice of the electorate comes out, because, i mean, donald trump is sacrificing just about every other group in america for this one group of white, non-college educated voters that, again, just -- there just aren't enough to get him over the top or to get his candidates over the top in a lot of elections. >> that gallup number is where
no doubt about that, but they're victims of a con. they node a leeed a leader, a p who will do something about their lives, to improve their lives. that's the tragedy. >> you know, gene, victims of a kind, a what i've never really understood for somebody in economic trouble. somebody struggling to get their kids through school. somebody who's struggling to keep a job, somebody who's struggling to get, you know, good, decent fair wages and the ability to take your kids to a doctor that's not an emergency room visit at 11:00 at night. not quite so -- i just don't understand why some of these people out in the crowds, they're conned by a guy who talks about himself all the time. lies about himself all the time, inflates what he's done all the time, and then, of course, on top of that, he has convinced a
lot of these people that their biggest problem -- their biggest problem -- is the media. >> yeah. right. yeah. we're the enemy of the people. >> that's their biggest -- if that's their biggest problem, that's -- that's -- that's interesting. >> yeah. and, look, he sunshi-- as mike . it's a con. it's been an effective con. the other thing he does, before these audiences, is make ridiculous promises that are just -- that will never be kept. you know, he's bringing back the steel industry. they're opening eight new clients -- that's simply not true. it's not happening. yet he says it, and people applaud, and this and that, and he's very skillful at making these, drawing these cultural and racial lines. and essentially putting people in a position of being with him
or with ms13 basically. it's a demagogue's toolkit that he uses and he uses it effectively. >> and elise jordan, to an extent he chips away at his own credibility when he has policies like the separation policy. he talks about the wall. he talks about immigration and the most, in the most, quite frankly, degrading way to people, but some of that is appreciated by the base for whatever reasons. having said that, isn't it fair to say the policy of taking children away from their families has definitely hurt the president? nobody likes that. i can't imagine that would poll well. >> well, and mika, especially women that i've spoken with who are trump supporters don't support of child separation policy, even if they support donald trump. john kasich himself pointed out
suburban women will be really key in this 12th district and in picking who the next congressman is going to be. so i really am curious what suburban -- the suburban women of columbus, ohio, are going to decide to do today, in light of donald trump focusing more on any distraction that he can throw at the wall to try to turn people away from the real issues that are affecting men and women in this country. namely, the families and children separated by his inhumane policy, but also health care, and looking at what has donald trump done to actually improve health care for men and women of the 12th district. >> jake sherman, interesting when lamb won his shock, surprise election several months ago, we were talking about the suburbs of pittsburgh. now we're talking an another midwestern town. the suburbs of columbus, ohio, and if you look at one area
where republicans have been hurt the most. where donald trump's lost the most support, the reason why he's sitting at 39, 40, 41% depending whether you believe gallup or -- isn't it, when it comes to suburban voters, used to be the absolute bedrock of any republican presidential campaign? >> yeah. it's a huge problem and the majority will be won and lost in the suburbs. no question about that. i think the important thing to point out here, and what we need to wrap our head around is if this district is competitive, and our plus seven district, the district john kasich and pat tiberi, the last two that won by a dozen points or ten points every single time, if this is competitive, then there are 80 seats in america that are competitive just like this. 80 republican seats in that kind
of range that could be on the table come november. so democrats are seeing extremely rapidly their political map expand to a point where they could -- we don't know. just talking based on available information -- we could see a massive amount of seats flip, if a district like this is competitive. there are suburbs obviously all over the country that are less republican than this that could go. so we're seeing -- it almost doesn't even matter who wins tonight, because it's competitive, and that shows a really huge change in the political fortunes of the democratic and republican party. >> yeah. and, jake, it just shouldn't -- sorry about that, willie. jake, it just shouldn't be competitive. right? i mean, this is a race that republicans expected to easily lock up all along, and any reports of republicans doing
better in congressional ballot tests that we were hearing several weeks back, it seems so much of that has changed, and is there that sinking realization on the hill among republicans that this actually is going to, despite what donald trump says about a red wave, that things are getting worse by the day for republicans? >> yes. if you talk to republicans in the leadership on capitol hill they recognize that this is the cleanest test of their political fortunes at the moment. the interesting thing, this hasn't gotten a ton of ink, but in private polling the president's actually right side up in this district, not under water in approval, but the republican brand and troy balderson, the candidate, are so damaged, that it is in play, and the republican policies that danny o'connor has tried to and has successfully latched on to have put this district in play, and, yeah, there is a realization this is getting bad. getting worse than expected, and the ballot test that democrats
are up, you know, anywhere between 7 and 10 points is actually up and headed for a massive wave in november. >> willie, again, donald trump, there seems to be an irrational fear of donald trump because he shocked everybody. nobody expected he was going to win and everybody saying, oh, my god. wait. he's going to pull a rabbit out of his hat, he'd going to -- but again, there are political realities we have to look at that for, you go back, you know, 50 years. if a president's in the low 40s in approval ratings, add on the ballot test, democrats ahead 7 to 10, 12 points, there's just no getting around the fact that if democrats get their voters out this is going to be a huge fall for them. >> and donald trump won that election by seven points and
they've shrunk 10.5 points against republicans, democrats have. donald trump was there last week. mike pence has been there campaigning for balderson. this is a test of donald trump's influence. joe, point you to something else we found, unearthed writings by mike pence in the late 1990s recently brought to light. pence argued, a president should be held to the highest moral standards and removed from office if not, citing then president bill clinton's affair with a white house intern and public lies about it as an example. in one piece pence rote, "if you and i fall into bad moral habits, we can harm our families, our employees and our friends. the president of the united states can incinerate the planet. seriously. the very idea we ought to have at or less than the same moral standards placed on the standards we place on the executive a ludicrous and dangerous. we've seen the president as the
repository of our highest hopes, ideals and values. to demand less is to do harm to the blood that bought us freedom." referring to clinton again "the president's repeated lies to the american people in this matter compound the case against him as they demonstrate his failure to protect the institution of the presidency as the inspiring supreme symbol of all that is highest in our american ideals. leaders affect the lines of families far beyond their own private life." >> preach on, brother. >> a radio host when he wrote that in indiana. wrote those, posted them to his website. if you superimpose those to 2018, they take on an entirely new meaning. >> he was a radio host then and now has fallen down to vice president of the united states? words to live by and restores your faith in the one endeer --
>> more's standard maybe don't creep on 15, 16, 17-year-old girls backstage at the miss usa pageant. that who mike pence thinks has great enough moral standards to be in the white house these days, i guess. >> or don't pay off porn stars, perhaps. >> don't pay off porn stars. >> also, elise, franklin graham. read what franklin graham wrote during the clinton impeachment time. u just an self-righteous and sickening given the current stand that he's in right now, but for mike pence, again, i keep wondering. when is mike pence going to speak out? you know, donald trump and mike pence and the republican party supported roy moore. >> yeah. >> when all of those accusations were coming forward in that campaign.
to go from where he went in 1999 to where he is right now, not that long later. not that much later. a shocking, shocking turnaround. that now he's defending this guy. others saying, well, it's just between him and his wife and god. it's not what he was saying, t what franklin graham was saying or a lot of republicans defending donald trump were saying in 1999. >> an attitude i've heard recently justifying the current sins because of the past sins. well, because he did it, it's okay for him to do it now. we just don't care because he got away with it. why not let our guy get away with it, too. that shows a very hollow core of your actual beliefs. >> yeah. you know, also, mika, i've had people write me before. people that i've known in
conservative movements and also evangelicals saying, you should know, joe, christians, they ask for forgiveness. they ask for redemption. i've always said, that the is the center, if you read the bible, understand the bible. the center of jesus' teaching is we've all fallen short of the glory of god, and what's required? what's required is that you ask forgiveness, that you beg forgiveness, you understand you are unworthy of god's grace. and that it is given to you only, only, as grace. >> and you've got donald trump who says, no. i've never actually had to ask for forgiveness. i've never had to pray for forgiveness. no. i can't really think of any reason why -- that's just not who i am, asking god for forgiveness. these evangelical not only --
claim they're evangelicals, they certainly aren't evangelical -- certainly aren't the evangelicals i grew up with at first baptist church in chamblee or meridian, mississippi, or in pensacola, florida. they're giving this guy a complete free pass, and they can do that, but, please, don't wrap jesus around it, because jesus' got nothing to do with this. >> mike pence totally lost who he is in this. i'm not sure what's worth it to him, to not hold back from what he believes in, but he is allowing this to swallow him up. also, from the way back machine, jake sherman, you post add clip on twitter jed yesterday of dan rather interviewing donald trump in 1999. featuring his trip to california trying to build support among members of a reform party for a possibly president's bid. here was their reaction to his
sales pitch, plus something trump said 19 years ago that he famously echoed during the 2016 campaign. take a look. >> i was disappointed. because i felt that he -- i thought he was very attacking of other members of the party, which i thought was very disrespectful. >> i think he came, you howard what he had to say and we're exciting. >> he's a con man and ought to go back to new york. >> why? >> he's coming out here trying to destroy our party. that's the way i look at it. >> reporter: the way trump looks at it, he's at least better than everybody else in the race beginning with john mccain. said he flew combat missions. >> does that make you a hero? i'm not sure. i don't know. >> it's not the first time he said it in the past few years. it's horrific to say and seems the public's relationship with
trump has really transformed as his presidency has become all the more serious on the world stage, but he said it so many years ago. >> i'm glad my youtube phishing is good for something. yeah. no. it is obviously fascinating and the president has, despite people urging him in his party, he has continued to throw shade at john mccain about his vote last year, about a year ago right now, against repealing the health care law. something obviously, a definite thread, his disdain for john mccain going back to 1999 when he first thought about running for president. >> willie, you know, this bears repeating. donald trump dodged the draft. he got what? four, five deferments for -- >> five. >> -- bone spurs. those little feet. hard to carry around all that weight. so i guess. he's got bone spurs but sitting there making fun of a man who
was flying very early in the war. got shot down on combat missions. i know a lot of great american heroes like bud day who did and a lot of other great, great men who did during the vietnam war, and you know, he carries those scars to this day, and, again, as everybody knows, but it's got to be repeated again, the north vietnamese were going to let john mccain leave and go home, because his father was an important man in the united states military and he refused. couldn't go until the rest of his band of brothers said, until they, he allowed all of them to go. and he didn't do it. he stayed there. he stayed behind. >> i hadn't seen that clip from 1999. i thought when we heard it on that stage three years ago during the president's campaign it was maybe something impulsive her came out in reaction to john
mccain, but apparently a deeply held belief he's had for 20 or so years from now. they are true and this is preposterous. remember, he said that during the campaign, by confessioned you radios of politics, this guy is in trouble. he'll be done. the front page of the "new york post" said he was finished, her survived that, then we knew his presidency would be different than all the others. >> if you use donald trump's own way of deducing these things, if getting captured doesn't make you a hero for some reason, then getting all of those deferments because of bone spurs makes you a little coward. jake sherman, thank very much. still ahead on "morning joe" from harley-davidson to amazon a new look how companies are handling public attacks by the president. axios has an interesting new take on that.
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and don't like trump, don't want corporations weighing in on political issues. even if they personally feel strongly about it. this puts corporations, puts ceos in particular in a little jam, because you have a millennial workforce, shareholders who want you to take a stand, feel passion against trump as most people do and want them to stand against them. it's clear, the backlash, the risk, is much higher for corporations, which helps explain why so many corporations even when they feel pressure the ceos sit out the debate. >> you know, jim, fascinating. it really -- you really do pick it up now more than any time, and it seems to, whether you're talking about harley-davidson or banks or entertainment firms, you name it. donald trump and the schism that's been created by the last 18 months of his presidency
really has caused that. in a big way. and think about it. because i'm sure a lot of shareholders would like -- their ceos to be positive about it. if you look at all the billions of dollars they got in the tax cuts. all of the buybacks. very good for a lot of businesses, very good for a lot of corporations, large corporations. why wouldn't they talk about it. like you said, then you've got that millennial workforce. you've got a lot of people that are offended by some of the things that trump says, by some of the positions he's taken on race issues. it really could divide a workforce. >> in some ways, ceos have to see themselves as politicians. because the game has changed in the last couple offer y eyears. a lot of customers, shareholders, think you should stand for something other than just profit. you personally feel a desire to get more engaged in politics, but same time, you live in fear.
you understand that a tweet that gets sent by the president could send your stock prices tumbling. that it could lead to a regulatory fight with the white house you weren't anticipating's just like trump changeded media, trump changed politics, he's undoubtedly changed the mood inside board rooms and calculations ceos and their communicators have to make. >> willie, speaking of companies having to step up, it does seem some large tech companies have stepped up against infowars, and a host that not only has made the life of parents whose children were slaughtered at sandy hook back in december of 2012, made their lives a living hell, with many having to move from one place to another, and getting threats against their own lives because of lies that he's spreading about them, but also last week shockingly enough, maybe it was two weeks ago, accusing robert mueller of
running a child prostitution ring and then holding up his finger like it's a gun, and simulating the shooting of robert mueller and many people looking at that would suggest that he actually encouraged it. >> yeah. there's been a lot of pressure on these media companies. talked about it a lot last week, joe, on this show. now four media giants are banding together to take down controversial infowars content from the their sites. apple, facebook, spotify and youtube all removed infowars and its creator's content from platforms in various degrees. all in an effort to stop the spread of misinformation. alex jones has been behind several right wing conspiracy theories like claiming the sandy rook shooting was a hoax. a following garnering millions of subscribers. apple moved sunday to remove its podcast from its platform, spotify following suit. facebook announced unpublished
for repeatedly violating company standards, youtube followed suit. jones confirm and twitter he'd been banned by facebook, apple and spotify. twitter has not taken any action against infowars or jones himself. gene robinson, this is a guy that goes without saying, people are familiar with him. he's driven sandy hook families into hiding fans conspiracy theories and having his follo r followers go after these families. facebook doesn't have to abide by the first amendment. it's a private companies. >> these private companies had a decision to make and i wonder why it took so long, because to continue to put up this kind of content, just invites people, perhaps like me, to say, hold on. these are publishers and publishing material that is
false and defamatory, and they ought to be able to be sued just like the "washington post" could be sued, and others can be sued for libel and in their case billions of dollars worth of damages. so i think it was a, not just a morally correct move by these companies, but also a smart business move to sort of fend off what would be the next step, i think, which would be to, you know, look, guys. we're going to sue you. >> and you know, elise jordan, that somebody like ted cruz would come out defending alex jones, saying -- really repulsive, you know, quoting the first line of a poem, talking about the holocaust and first they came for alex jones, i don't know. ted cruz, is he familiar with the content in infowars?
i would think most of the people he sits in church with would be deeply offended. the content is extraordinarily vulgar. his language, beyond repulsive, and, again, the conspiracy theories. and the suggestion that former fbi directors be assassinated, i mean, every day he's -- it's a new shocking attack against some foundation of our culture, of our civilization, and ted cruz is going out there comparing that to people that were sent away in the holocaust? >> you got give it to ted cruz, just because he does take pandering to new lows. whether it's his own wife. his own father. he was so quick to, you know, cower back, grovel back to donald trump, and that's the same thing that he's doing with alex jones and it's so craven, so transparent, and he cares more about the millions of followers that alex jones has
and's it shows his desperation with his upcoming senate race and also his complete lack of any moral compass whatsoever. >> and, joe, you touch upon a really important point there. we all understand that there's only so much space in a newspaper. we all understand that there's only so much time on a tv program. but the media, in a sense, has dropped the ball in terms of doing our job, in terms of making more americans aware of exactly what alex jones and his followers believe. exactly what they push and believe. the conspiracy theories are beyond the realm. beyond being offensive, they're dangerous weekend ouous and we h telling people out there what these people are and what they
believe. >> it's not new. i mean, this guy actually had the repugnant view and promoted the repugnant view that -- he was, a truther. that george w. bush was -- it was an inside job. you know? i was reading a "new york times" article yesterday from back, you know, five, six, seven, eight years ago where alex jones and rosie o'donnell and all of these other people believed that building seven had imploded and that the united states government had killed americans on 9/11. that it was an inside job. i mean, that's just -- that's such deceased thinking. it's such offensive thinking, that you wonder how those people are given a platform at all. why anybody would listen to them at all, and alex jones, my god,
mika. in just -- >> yeah. >> -- again, calling -- it seemed that he was calling for the assassination of robert mueller. this should go well beyond him not being on apple or youtube anymore. this seems to be something that the secret service should be looking into when it seems that he is calling for the assassination of a former fbi director, and a man who's leading an investigation into vladimir putin undermining american democracy. i just don't get it. >> i think we can debate it more and we certainly have had that debated. especially now i think giving people like that a platform is dangerous. and we are watching things unravel before our eyes, even the value of the truth. jim vandehei, thank you. be sure to sign up for the newsletter at signup.axios.com.
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aon. a new watchdog report shows major flaws in the trump administration's long promised border wall. >> this is actually a shock, because i thought for the first time he brought this up, i thought -- you know he's a builder. >> yes. >> he's got everything figured out. sherlock, the new sherlock -- no. it's unbelievable. >> yeah. >> you're telling me that's not completely locked down yet all the details. >> no, it's not. it's part of his immigration policy and concept on immigration which includes separating children from families. >> you've told us about that. >> i told you about that because every time we talk about it, every minute that goes by those children are sitting in detention fasts away from their families and their family will have no idea if they will ever see them again and the children have no idea if they will ever
see their parents again. it's worth repeating because it's going on right now. when you bring up the wall and the wall, president trump, you bring up your policies. >> the government accountability office claims the wall could cost more than projected, take longer than planned, and actually not be effective. >> just like his policy of separating families. >> they found dhs is not properly documents plans for building part of the wall in san diego. >> trump has been pushing -- >> that's german, actually for -- go ahead. >> trump has been pushing congress for more money even threatening a government shut down if his demands are not met. white house officials figure the entire wall could cost $8 to $12 billion while dhs estimates clock in at $21 million. >> really quickly willie, the most remarkable thing about that
wall, donald trump admitted during the campaign that any time there was sort of a lull, any time energy level came down, he would just use that as a throw away line, build that wall. nothing more than a throw away line. they are trying to waste $21 billion on this boon dogle that everybody including john kelly says won't work and now we have reports explaining why it won't work. >> the president continues to say at these rallies that we've already started to build this wall. they haven't. he went down once. he looked at pieces of wall like going into a wall paper store and yeah we'll do that. mexico throughout the campaign was going to pay for that wall and now donald trump is hammering democrats for not giving him funding for the wall. so there are inconsistencies every where you look about this
wall. let's bring in national security reporter for nbc news julia aimsly. she has new reporting on the trump administration legal move on legal immigrants in the u.s. tell us about your reporting. >> reporter: what we found is that steven miller's next move, this is while they are cleaning up after necessary of separating families like mika pointed out, the next move focus on legal immigrants. these are people already living in the united states with green cards, some wanting to get green cards, some wanting to get citizenship. what we're finding is that in the coming weeks, actually, this is coming very soon, the white house is finalizing a proposal that they don't need to go through congress to get this done. this would limit those immigrants from getting that citizenship or green cards if they have ever been on public benefits. that includes obamacare. includes child health insurance. includes food stamps. includes a lot of programs that immigrants, especially those working in low wage jobs would
need just to support their families. again, these aren't illegal immigrants. these are people lawfully in the united states trying to get status either as citizens or legal permanent citizens. >> what possible legal ground who steven miller or the president have if these are legal immigrants to not allow them to get their green cards. >> reporter: that's a great question. there's this public charge rule that goes back to the 1800s. it was designed so people who were coming in, say ellis island wouldn't be a burden to the federal government. they wouldn't want to take someone in who they thought couldn't support themselves. now they are redefining public charge in a very wide way to include those programs we named and to make it harder for people who might have been given waivers in the past to get citizenship, they are now re-examining that and trying to make that harder. they want to bring down the numbers of all imgrant, even legal ones. >> thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it.
mika, the biggest problem right now is, first of all, it's a boondoggle, it won't work. the trump administration is running a bigger deficit than ever before. national debt is at record high, over $21 trillion. we can't afford this wall. just, if you look at how much money we're borrowing, it's at record rates. we couldn't afford this in the best of times but with the national debt higher than it's ever been under donald trump we certainly can't afford it now. >> coming up president trump tweeted a minute ago about the neck and neck special election in ohio today. we'll have more on the latest national test of the president's popularity ahead of the mid-terms. plus "the washington post" robert costa joins us with new reporting on possibility of a sit down between the president and special counsel robert
mueller. what was hope hicks doing with the president on air force one this past saturday? there's new reporting on that. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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robinson. joining the conversation political reporter for "the washington post," moderator of washington week on pbs and msnbc political analyst robert costa. also with us senior reporter at "vanity fair" and an nbc news and msnbc contributor, scream lie jane fox. she has new reporting on hope hicks this morning which we'll get to in just a moment. >> so, mika, we got a few people from washington here. so, i feel guilty, we only talk about, you know, the red sox and the yankees. >> here we go. >> gee, the nationals they have like a three game winning streak last week. any chance nationals will come back? >> well, you know, hope springs eternal. you know that, joe. you're a red sox fan. so, yeah. there's a chance, the chance is -- i wouldn't say it's between slim and none but the window is shrinking, let us say.
bryce harper has finally got hot. his recent batting average is like .471. which is good. and so they will make a run. and got great, you know, great pitching when the pitchers are actually on, so let's hope they make a run. but it's going to be tough. >> bob costa, there always is a silver lining. i mean you can still be an orioles fan, right? >> i grew up loving cal rip kki. when you live in d.c. you have to appreciate the nationals. i wish scherzer can pitch every inning. >> he pitches one extraordinary game after another. let's go on to news because we got some news, mika, about
donald trump jr. he's talking and talk, talk. >> talk, talk, talk. >> these people need to stop talking. they need to listen to lawyers, not tv lawyers, their real lawyers and just stop talking because it makes it worse every day. >> it's beyond. donald trump jr. has said a lot about his 2016 meeting with russians beginning with his quickly discredited claim that it was about adoption. i guess a lie. now the president's son insists in a radio interview that any investigation into the matter is a big waste of time. again, after two years of, you know, nonstop investigation with everyone in the media, everyone at the fbi, the whole world is looking at this thing and have yet to produce anything that even remotely resembles what they have been talking about. yet every other day now we got
it now. i've been hearing this for two years. >> donny, did the adoption that's near and dear to my heart because i have two adopted russian sons. did that come up. >> when? >> like i said, that was the primary thing that we had spoken about in the meeting. that's not the premise that got them in the room. then essentially bait and switch to talk about that. everyone has basically said that in testimony already. so this is nothing new. but, like i said, i know it's an important issue to you. this was not a campaign issue to us. this wasn't relevant to us. it wasn't something we were going to do anything with. >> willie, where do i begin? again, when you have these people coming on and saying, oh, there's been this investigation and nothing has come out of it. well you've had actually the united states government indict
a couple of dozen russians. they have the proof from what our united states military discovered, what the intel community uncovered, what kirstjen nielsen, what dan coats, the fbi director, what everybody in donald trump's own administration, not junior, senior his administration came out and said the russians tried to undermine american democracy in 2016 and the russians are going to try to undermine american democracy in 2018 and we have all of that information because of this investigation on russia. i mean, that's about as important of an investigation as i can recall anybody in government undertaking. >> when donald trump jr. or rudy giuliani says what mural has or
doesn't have. he said mueller doesn't have a damn thing. nobody knows what he has. to listen to don jr. yesterday with laura ingrahm to say it was a bait and switch, presented to him as dirt on hillary clinton and then switched in the room to adoption, he's admitting he took the meeting to get research from a foreign entity. the emails are clear as day. his explanation after the fact at first was that it was only about adoption then as the evidence came out, obviously they shifted and changed their story. so they are twisted in knots. we were talking about this when we sat down. i have no idea what lawyer is letting these people go on tv, go on the radio and say these things over and over, contradicting themselves. >> they are just not helping themselves. they also showing certainly their state of mind. >> yeah. >> which is we're on
opportunity, we're on the prowl for russian dirt on hillary clinton. and, again, the timeline lines up in a pretty devastating way if you look at donald trump's statements in press conferences saying russia if you listen, well russia did start listening. they went after it. look at people close to donald trump, what they are saying on the radio and radio interviews. yeah, lawyers, the one or two serious lawyers around the trump family have to be pulling their hair out right now. bob, i want to -- we're going to keep talking about this in a bit, but i want to jump to what's happening tonight a big election in ohio. a race republicans should have put away a long time ago. donald trump won ohio by 11, 12 points. a strong republican district. yet a neck and neck tonight between democrats and republicans, a lot of democrats for good reason believe they've already won this, saying if they
end up losing by a point or two because the map has expanded now to 75, 80 places. you have the republican shooting himself in the foot yesterday talking about how franklin county they shouldn't elect anybody from franklin county which is one of the most important counties in that district but also the state of ohio. >> there are local issues that are a factor in this race, joe. but what's the biggest orange averaging theme of the race tonight. it could be more of a john kasich republican, move away from president trump's message. he embraced president trump, was with him at a rally over the weekend in the columbus area and stood right there as the president talked about building the wall and shaking his fist about the mueller investigation and the media. balderson is trying to see if he can make that message, standing
with trump play in the suburbs. that's a vexing challenge. it's a microcosm of what so many republicans will face in the next few months. can they get the trump voter out but run on standard republican issues. >> what i'm really watching tonight, to go back and just keep hammering down on this point, what are suburban women going to do? how are they going to vote? i think we're on the verge of a fundamental political realignment where the republican party has permanently just at least temporarily if not permanently repelled women from voting republican because of donald trump's consistent behavior. >> you're looking with suburban women across the country but including ohio they look at the issue like immigration, child separation from their families, and you wonder is that enough of a breaking point?
president trump was able to win over many women votes in 2016 as a change agent and so on who is representing a break from the washington establishment. do the scandals, the controversies, the immigration policies, does that push them away? republicans continue to believe, though, that even if you want to win over women voters you can't go too far away from president trump and that's why they are not running like ohio governor john kasich, almost independently minded republicans with the president win or lose. >> there's new reporting on former communications director hope hicks and her reappearance over the weekend at the president's side hours before he tweeted about trump tower meeting. hicks served as the go-between when the son dictated his misleading statement that it was about adoptions. hicks had planned to spend the weekend in new jersey to catch up with ivanka trump and jared
kushner. when the president learned she was in town he asked her to come along to the rally and she did. hicks was discussed by some as a dark horse to one day replace john kelly as chief of staff. while speaking to the press aboard air force one saturday hicks said she would consider it if the time was right. she came up after a couple of months away. has she ever really left the trump orbit? >> no one leaves the trump orbit in a major way and hope hicks has certainly remained connected to president trump and especially to i haven't okay and jared. she has not left this orbit. what happened on saturday was certainly the most public and overt expression of her being back in the fold since she left the white house in the spring. it seems from my reporting it wasn't necessarily a nefarious thing, she was out there. the president said for old time's sake come along.
under normal circumstances, lewandowski still travels with the president. that's something that's done. at this time when the issue of the don jr. trump tower meeting and the statement thereafter is so hot, so in the news, it's been talked about for the last couple of weeks in particular, you were talking earlier about lawyers not advising their clients to talk on tv about these things, i can imagine that hope hicks lawyer said to her it's a good idea for you to be on air force one this weekend, this is a smart legal strategy. they are people in the president's orbit like steve bannon who will not talk directly to the president because he's worried about being called back to robert mueller to interview with him. so it would not be surprising to me if robert mueller saw this coverage and we need to get her back her and ask what he talked about over the weekend. >> the president as the walls close around him a little bit want to surround him with people he's comfortable with.
he calls her hopy and yells her name. is there a chance she comes back to the white house in some way, in an official capacity? >> she has not landed a job. not decided what she wants to do next. as she spoke to reporters on saturday, she said look if the time is right, if there's a job -- that wasn't necessarily a serious offer but from people who know her they would not be shocked if at some point down the road in some capacity she came back into the fold. >> how is she finding life outside of the white house in terms of pursuing other job opportunities >> there's job opportunities she's finding. there are people who are supporters of the president who saw she did a relatively good job, as good of a job as she could. she 29 years old. head of the communications job in the white house which is an impressive thing. she hasn't found what she wants to do. she has this legal cloud looming over her head which is difficult for her and i'm sure difficult
for employers who are saying is this the right person to hire at this exact time as well. >> fascinating piece in "vanity fair". always good to see you. mika. >> chicago mayor rahm emanuel and police department officials are calling on residents to help stop the surge in violence there. following the deadliest weekend in that city in more than two years. at least 74 people were shot, 12 of them fatally between friday afternoon and monday morning. the victims ages ranged from 11 years old to 62. local media say 47 people were shot on sunday alone. the most shooting victims in a single day since september of 2011. speaking yesterday mayor rahm emanuel and superintendent of the city's police department visibly frustrated called for accountability of the people behind the violence. >> there are too many guns on the street.
too many people with criminal records on the street. and there's a shortage of ovals about what is right, what is wrong. what is acceptable, what is condoned and what is condemned. and we as a city in every corner have an accountability and a responsibility. >> you know what i never hear. i hear people holding us accountable all the time. i never hear people saying these individuals out here in the streets need to stop pulling the trigger. i never hear that. i never hear that. they get a pass from everybody. and they shouldn't. they shouldn't. >> despite the weekend's bloodshed officials say gun violence is down 70% from a year ago while homicides have fallen 20% in that same time period. really? >> gene robinson it's true the numbers are down in chicago but it's relative they are down from
astro astronomical rates. 74 people shot. 12 of them fatally. in any other context that's a mass shooting happening in america. >> yeah. it absolutely is. and chicago for years now has been this outliar as other big cities in this country have become as safe as they have been since the 1950s, new york city safest city, big city in america practically. think of where it was in the '80s. but chicago has not joined that trend. and there's lots of reasons. one is that there's kind of a gang war, a drug trans-shipment center. a lot of stuff going on. but there's no excuse for it. there's no excuse for not understanding what the situation is, and taking much more
aggressive action to stop it. 74 people shot is just unacceptable and should be unacceptable in any american city. >> it really should. gene, what's so vexing and so frustrating is the fact that, you know, in 1988, 1999, 1990, '91, new york city was an extremely dangerous place and yet you had a succession of mayor, rudy giuliani back when he was thinking in coherently, in a coherent manner. michael bloomberg for three terms. de blasio. republicans, independents, democrats figuring out how to work with the cops in new york and, again, "new york times" reported a couple of months ago that crime is solo that you have to go back to the 1950s before they were taking accurate
records and try to guess what year was the last year that was this safe in new york city and yet in chicago the nightmare continues, 74 shot, 12 killed just this weekend. what can chicago learn from new york? what can chicago learn from a lot of other cities that have turned things around? >> chicago can pick a lesson and then learn it. they can learn from new york where it was, you know a lot of policies you could argue about. there was stop-and-frisk which was ruled unconstitutional. there was sort of a very aggressive community policing. washington, d.c., which is also safer than it has been in decades. crime rates have plummeted. and did it in a different way. did it with a more of a community policing style that has produced a lot of results.
but pick one. pick some way to do something. the problem is that in chicago, which rolls on and on and on, and, obviously, not in anyway, shape or form attacking the root problems. >> it is such a tragedy for the people who live there. so bob costa, your reporting about the possible interview with robert mueller's possible interview with donald trump. that just keeps rolling on down the road. what's it looking like? are we getting any closer to the moment where the former fordham student sits across the table from princeton and st. paul's and the marine hero that two get-together and sit down and talk? >> at this point, based on my gfrgs wi conversation with giuliani last night we're not at that point.
we could be inching closer to the point when mueller makes decision about issuing a subpoena of the president of the united states. they've been negotiating for months. you wonder what is the point where mueller has had enough with giuliani and the president delaying a decision. giuliani said to me last night that he's now going to send a letter back to mueller who wrote giuliani a letter last week, a response back on tuesday or wednesday, today or tomorrow saying any questions about obstruction or in essence going to be off the table. about the president's conduct with regard to the firing of james comey or the handing of the national security adviser michael flynn. giuliani acknowledged in the conversation that this is just, again, pushing the decision away and we're now in the summer as mull certificate trying to wrap up his report and that subpoena threat made months ago back in the spring during a conversation with then trump attorney still hangs over these exchanges. >> is there a feeling, rocket, that they've just been stalling
for time, trying to push it as close to the elections as possible thinking you might not subpoena him before election >> that's exactly right. based on my conversations not just about giuliani but other trump advisors, mueller has a window before the election to issue his report on the president's conduct and they are ware if the president doesn't sit down with mueller, they wonder if mueller can finish a report on the president's intent. was it criminal intent or not when he made certain decisions or had certain actions as president of the united states and at this point giuliani is advising his client, the chief executive to not sit down. the president says to his advisors he wants to sit down but actions speak louder than words. at this point they are delaying. >> yeah. if the president wants something he gets it. if he wants to tweet something dumb that's counter to anything that might benefit him in this case he does it. so he knows better, i think. robert costa thank you. we'll be reading your latest
reporting in "the washington post". gene robinson, thank you as well. your newco aluminum on trump's rally rhetoric is a must read. still ahead, robert mueller got rick gates to talk and talk he did. what the former trump campaign aide testified to in paul manafort's criminal trial. we have a live report from outside the courthouse next on "morning joe". this is not a bed.
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through wire transfers using income and accounts that manafort asked him not disclose. the former trump deputy campaign chair also acknowledged crimes he committed on his own behalf like embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars from manafort and failing to report income. gates reached a deal with robert mueller in february agreeing to cooperate for an exchange of a guilty plea. charges against gates carry a possible ten year sentence but prosecutors could recommend less time than that. joining us now, two experts who have been watching the manafort trial from inside the courtroom, former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor, barbara mcquaid and nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken delaney. barbara, let me start with you. the vibe, the atmosphere in the courtroom as you had these two men who worked closely together for so many years one turning on the other. >> there was daefl buzz in the
courtroom when the government called rick gates to come in. he seemed visibly nervous. he spoke very quickly. he did not make eye contact with paul manafort as you said. there were several side bars during his testimony and he was sort of just sit awkwardly and look straight ahead. paul manafort looked directly at rick gates. during the testimony it came out their dynamic was different than i had appreciated before. he described it as very much an employer-employee relationship. rick gates had met paul manafort when he was an intern and said they never socialized together the only time he went to paul manafort's house was when he reported there to do work for him. tension between. but he's getting his story out. >> did the prosecution get what they wanted out of rick gates. did he present stories, evidence that would incriminate paul manafort? >> absolutely, willie. they are only at the beginning. gates, while he was certainly near vow was a pretty compelling
witness even though he was sort of a disreputable character and got up there immediately started to admit to crimes. he's college educated. prosecution pointed out he served honorably in the virginia national guard and described, you know, working for paul manafort for ten years. he started as an intern in the '90s out of william and bhaer the former lobbying firm and came on board in 2006. the other witnesses in the case have given the jury a glimpse into the wave of criminality. gates is taking them all the way down the cave on a rope and showing them all the corners. key speak to manafort's state of mind, talk about what manafort said and why he did these things. he told the jury that manafort wanted to pad his income. that's why he was evading the tax. that's why they had the secret bank account. so far he's been a compelling witness. he admitted to some crimes that
prosecutors didn't know about including embezzling from manafort. while they were committing crimes together, gates was stealing from manafort by padding expense accounts, willie. >> barbara, one of the things ken brought up there wasn't an especially close relationship between gates and manafort. and i was talking to a reporter last night that followed the campaign extraordinarily closely, and what he just could never figure out in real-time was why after manafort was fired that his underling gates remain there and his conclusion had always been that he was the conduit to russia, even after manafort was gone, because no campaign would have kept an understandli underling of campaign manager that was fired. gates survives not through the end of the campaign but also into the transition as well. it's fascinating.
has anybody inquired about that? do you know if there's been any questions in the overall investigation? >> in this case, of course, they are focused on the income tack and bank fraud charges. i imagine his testimony will relate solely to that. he did admit with when he talked about the crimes to which he pled guilty one of the crimes was the foreign agent registration act conspiracy with paul manafort. i imagine his cooperation with robert mueller, far exceeds the scope of what we'll hear about in his testimony in this trial. there's the trial that will occur in september in washington, d.c. with manafort with some of those charges may come in to play. we may get more of a glimpse into that. but to get his deal and he said yesterday he could be facing potential ten years but if he does everything he's supposed to do he could get as low as probation. he's got to tell everything and put all the cards on the table. i'm sure he'll be confronted with every e-mail and surveillance cut obtained through the foreign intelligence
surveillance court that exists. if that's true he'll no doubt be confronted about it and may be the key to breaking that connection. >> isn't it strange that, again, you know, corey lewandowski is fired, manafort comes in, all of i had people are basically tossed out. this happens in every presidential campaign. manafort is fired. and yet his underling, his flunky, the guy that is carrying around his backpack, the guy who is his employee, strangely enough he stays around the campaign despite the fact that trump doesn't like him, makes him sit outside of offices where the actual critical meetings are taking place, but he remains there not only through the end of the campaign, he remains there through the transition and the inauguration. >> well, joe, that's something i'm intrigued by just because there's been so much reporting that various members of the trump campaign team like michael
flynn were so interested in padding their own wallets during the campaign and setting themselves up for business afterwards because they didn't necessarily believe that donald trump was going to win and so ken, something i'm curious about, how much could this trial potentially get into the financial activities of paul manafort during the fall of the trump campaign after he had officially left the campaign but not necessarily the orbit of donald trump? >> reporter: the bank fraud, tax fraud, schemes did extend into that period. there was a loan he obtained from a guy on the promise of a position within the trump organization or the trump administration. he ended up on an advisory board this guy did. that's alleged in the indictment. that may come up at trial. i want to point out, guys, in
terms of gates and manafort and their connections to the whole russia investigation, they were in the loop on george papadopoulos campaign aide who pleaded guilty trying to broker a meeting between putin and trump. there's a lot left to be told about what they knew between campaign and russia. they were the most russia connected of any of these advisors. manafort came to the campaign working for free, flat broke, right. scrambling for cash. in debt. and the question is how desperate was he what was he willing do if the russians put the finger on him and asked him to help in their interference campaign. >> thank you both for being on this morning. coming up, a massive wildfire in northern california has now burned an area the size of los angeles. it is the biggest blaze in state history and president trump is blaming bad environmental laws
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history and president trump is weighing in on the firefighting process. he tweeted last night california wildfires are being magnified and being made worse. it's being diverted into the fantastic ocean. must also tree clear to stop fire from spreading. as the "los angeles times" points out the current wildfire situation is unrelated to water supplies or environmental laws. fire agencies vent been complaining about lack of water. major reservoirs are near the worst fire zones, and all are at or near their historic levels. the president also tweeted yesterday governor jerry brown must allow the free flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the north and foolishly being diverted into the pacific ocean. can be used for fires, farming
and everything else. according to politico trump's comments may be referencing an unrelated dispute between brown's administration and california republicans over how much of the state's water can be diverted to southern california farms. one california gop strategist told politico that trump's recent tweets don't show an elementary understanding of water policy and also don't really show any recognition of the people fighting these fires or the land that is being destroyed, and well beyond that. >> it is the politicalization even of forest fires. willie, this is a guy, again, he sees a basketball game, he sees the opportunity to divide, sees a football game, the opportunity to divide, see as tragedy in california, a forest fire and what does he see? an opportunity to divide. >> on the one hand it's comical
he's expert on forest firefighting. it's sad he's not recognizing seven people that died, a greatgrandmother and her two children that died finer, the firefighters fight firing. he's also confusing as usual one policy with another. i think what he's referring to as far as i can tell is a dispute between farmers about getting more irrigation into their farms and having nothing to do with fighting a forest fire. i guess it goes without saying he's inaccurate in this and doesn't quite know what he's talking about but that didn't stop him from weighing in. >> up next we had john mccain on the show shortly after donald trump questioned the senator's status as a war hero during the 2016 campaign. but newly unearth footage shows it wasn't the first time trump hit mccain for his service to the country. we'll show that to you next on "morning joe". you're headed down the highway
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i'm jason. senator black has been attacking me on guns. in army i know how to use and respect my rifle. in afghanistan i volunteered to be an extra gun in a convoy of unarmored suvs. i also believe in background checks so terrorists can't get their hands on one of these. aappro i approve this message because i want to see senator black do this. >> i believe that's what we call in the business a mike drop. that was a viral campaign from jason cantor calling for tougher background checks. he lost that race narrowly the former missouri secretary of state jason cannis running for r of kansas city. his new book called "outside the wire." jason, great to have you with us. let's talk about your decision to run for mayor. the election is not until next
year, june of 2019. there were a lot of people, including president obama who said he's my guy in missouri. >> very nice of him. >> and somebody who ought to run for president. what was the decision for you like not wait and jump into the mayor race. >> it's do everything you possibly can for your fellow citizen right now. that's hat i'm doing. i'm a fifth generation kansasian. i love my home town. that's why i decided to run for mayor. also why i decided to write "outside the wire" and why in the interests much using that platform for as much good as possible, for every copy we sold we donate to moms for safety. it's do what you can do for others. i tell a story about a young man i watched on his very first day in afghanistan get clearly visibly physically sick as he looked at the unarmored suv he needed to get in with me to do
its job. he sat in the seat behind me and i was worried he would throw up on me. i think about him all the time when we talk about tough choice. don't seem that tough compared to getting in a vehicle and going outside the wire. >> you enlisted in the army national guard after 9/11 as a response to that incident. was it a difficult choice for you because as i said there were a lot of people at the national level who look at you, my gosh in the state of missouri he almost knocked off the incumbent when donald trump was winning the state by almost 20 points. you are viewed as a rising star in the party. was it a tough call not to wait to the presidential election? >> an opportune to mayor of kansas city, have you been there? it's a waterfall place. it's a place where we had a lot of progress. we've had a lot of success. but i want to see that extend to everybody in the city. i want no matter where you live for you to be able to see it and to see it and feel it and so no.
that made it not at all a difficult choice for me. it's about -- i write in "outside the wire" about how a lot of people have something in their some day category. some day i'll do x. really i want people to understand don't wait for some day, make it now. making change is about getting outside of your comfort zone, and nobody ever made change from within their comfort zone. >> joe has a question for you. >> jason, you talk about your expenses in afghanistan, what you learned there and talking about politics. one of your first bit of advice taken from your time in a war zone is, if you want to change the world, you have to get outside the wire. explain that. >> so outside the wire is a term that we used overseas. it means to go off the safety of the base. and look, i've spent a lot more time figuratively outside the wire in politics than i even did literally in afghanistan because, you know, it's been
several years now. i just never have seen anybody -- like when people say there's tough choices that have to be made in politics. i think about explaining that to people who have risked their lives it just doesn't wash with me. i mean i came back, one of the stories i tell in the book is i came back, i had a meeting once i was in the state legislature with the speaker of the house who really wanted to brace me and get me to do exactly what he wanted. the whole time i was thinking about a meeting i had had with a corrupt afghan general and the border police, and i wasn't really sure i was going to get out of that meeting alive. once you have had had experiences like that, it is pretty difficult to look at elected politics in america and say, you know, this is really tough stuff. the truth is it is really not. >> yeah, not even in the same category. let's talk about your first campaign, what you learned there. you talk about, you say you need to hustle but you need to stay humble. explain that. >> yeah. i mean you put in every bit of work you can because voters
appreciate it. one of the stories i tell in "outside the wire" is that one of the very first doors i ever knocked on in my campaign, my first campaign, which was for state legislature, this fellow came to his front door and we were talking. it was really clear immediately that he and i disagreed on this issue he wanted to talk about, and i had just been a candidate for a short time and i did what i had seen politicians on tv do, and i start trying to spin him and tell him how really we agreed, and next thing i knew we were in an argument and it wasn't going well. i felt frustrated and desperate. i said, thanks for your time, i know what you believe. i walked off and he said to me, that makes sense, you can put a sign in my yard, i will vote for you. that's how i learned that voters don't expect you to believe everything they believe. they want to know you believe what you're saying, and they will for gigive you for believi something different if they know you care about them. >> you are one of the most prominent and politically
successful afghanistan vets in america. where are you on the continued u.s. involvement in the war in afghanistan more than a de acad after you left? >> we were talking about how we had both been at the same place several years ago. look, we have to recognize the fact if you were to go back to the beginning of the american story and, you know, write it from the beginning, you wouldn't write afghanistan as the longest war in american history, it is just a fact. that's where i start from, is that i grew up comfortably. i grew up in a way where no politician could make a decision that would take food off my family's table. first time i was on the receiving end of bad decisions made by politicians that negatively affected me, i was in the back seat of an unarmored vehicle in afghanistan. now there are american kids there who likely don't remember 9/11. as you mentioned, 9/11 is what spurred me to go into the military. there are americans there who
don't remember that likely. that's something that has to be at the top of our mind as we make decisions about our commitments there. >> so should we draw down? should we get american troops out of afghanistan? >> our strategy clearly needs to be about unwinding and reaching that point. i think what's tragic, and one of the things i point out in the book that kind of shaped my view of politics, is that, you know, so much of this can be traced back to a very politically-driven decision by karl rove and others to invade iraq. i was in afghanistan in '06, you know, e-mailing with my friends from officer training who were in iraq at that time and saying they weren't sure exactly why they were there. it diverted an enormous amount of resources. >> mika? >> jason, i'm just curious as you seek to serve, your second attempt, and it is very much appreciated. >> thanks. >> politically. what are you hearing from people? we're in an age of sort of devalued truth, where there's now arguments about what is
real, what is fact, what is fiction, and what comes out of the president's mouth and rumors that are being passed around. what are you hearing from people about any of that? do they even care or what do they want? >> you know, and this is one of the things i talk about in the book because, you know, i got 220,000 votes from folks who voted for president trump and for me, even though the only thing we agree on is we're both afraid of sharks. and so i do hear from a lot of people who voted for him, and what they generally say to me is this. like back in 2016, what they were saying, the persuadable voters, they were saying, look, i don't like him, i don't like the way he treats people, but he made himself very personally successful. they weren't like, so that's great. they were like, i'll give it a try. what he this say is, i still don't like him, still don't like the way he treats people, and he never really switched from making -- from doing that for himself to doing it for the country. the way people express this is they say, i don't like all of
the tweeting. when you dig deeper, what they're saying is, he never really followed through on his promise, which is to put the country ahead of himself, which, you know, is a shame obviously. but it is why he's just burroing down into his own base and not getting outside of it. he refuses to get outside of his own echo chamber. >> for sure. the book is "outside the wire." democratic kansas city mayoral candidate jason cantor. thank you for being to this morning. >> thank you. still ahead, two decades ago mike pence made the case for impeaching a president with, quote, bad moral habits. that applied to bill clinton. so what about donald trump? plus, we'll go live to ohio as one of the candidates running in the special election there tries to clean up a last-minute gaffe in the dead-locked race. >> you can call it a gaffe. he actually insulted people in the county that's going to be casting the most votes tonight.
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bush white house, elise jordan. editor of "the washington post", eugene robinson. senior writer at "politico", jake sherman. we will start with new weekly tracking numbers from gallup. it finds 54% disapprove of the job president trump is doing compared to 41% who approve of his performance. cnbc's john horowood analyzed the support and found in the data whites with no college degree approved of the president's job 58% to 39%, while 29% of all other americans approv approved, and 66% disapprove. the numbers seem to be shifting a bit for the president. >> there's always been -- we talked about it for some time, that there's always been a bit of a narrow casting, but this is about as narrow casting as it gets. willie, all i can say for donald trump and republicans who are
hoping, like the special election in ohio tonight, the republicans who are hoping he will somehow get them over the finish line even in strongly republican district like the ohio 12, they just better hope that their small slice of the electorate comes out because, i mean, donald trump is sacrificing just about every other group in america for this one group of white, non-college-educated voters that, again, there just aren't enough to get him over the top or to get his candidates over the top in a lot of elections. >> yeah, and that gallup number of 41% approval is about where he has been over the course of his presidency, but it is the cross tab you are looking at that is so interesting. remember, he won white, non-college voters by almost 40%, so it certainly makes up the core of his base, gene robinson, and those are the people we see at the rallies,
that is his hard-core support. it remains to be seen when he intervenes in the elections like ohio 12 or endorses chris covac running in kansas, it remains to be seen how powerful he is in the races. >> yeah, what we have learned so far from the special elections and the primaries is he is very powerful inside the republican party. he has 89% support among republicans. so it is very difficult if you are going to run as a republican in a primary to buck trump. on the other hand he is very unpopular among your general -- among americans in general, and democrats have been doing a whole lot better than one would expect, than anyone imagined from in these elections. we shouldn't be talking about this ohio special election. this is a safe republican seat, and we're talking about it
because it is a trumpian-backed candidate up against a democrat who is a moderate who could win. >> you know, mike barnacle, also, again, when you talk about off-year elections, what is so extraordinarily important is the intensity, because most people don't go out and vote in midterm elections. you are lucky if you get a third in the primary and maybe 50% of the voters when you get to the general election. but there was an article this morning that i read talking about how -- i think it was "the washington post", talking about in ohio these are rock-ribbed republicans who voted for trump, and you had the reporter knocking on doors, and one lifelong, rock-ribbed republican said -- they sundasked who theye going to be voting for and she
said, well, i support trump, we voted for trump, but i hate him. something along those lines, i can't stand him, he's a jerk. we're hearing that more and more. i'm hearing that more and more from the people i talk to who voted for trump. they voted for him, they're embarrassed by him, they don't like him. that's not exactly the secret sauce to get people out to vote in midterm elections, and i just believe this ambivalence at some point -- and i believe just hating nancy pelosi at some point is not ongoing to going t to help the candidates because nancy pelosi is not running america. >> you know, joe, there's a tragic aspect of the numbers that we just indicated in the poll. the fact that he has overwhelming support among largely whites with a high school degree, these are people
who need a president standing up for them more than most people in america. and he goes to these rallies, and if you listen to the rallies -- i know it is discomforting to listen to his language in the rallies, but he doesn't propose anything to help them. instead, he relies on grievance. he relies on trying to cement the divisions that already exist in america. he relies on strengthening those divisions. he relies on talking about race. he relies on talking about really hate, and these people who show up are victims of a con. not all of them are racists. some perhaps are, there's no doubt about that, but they're victims of a con. she need a leader -- they need a leader, a president who will do something about their lives, to improve their lives. that's the tragedy. >> you know, gene, victims of a con, and what i have never
really understood for somebody who is in economic trouble, somebody who is struggling to get their kids through school, somebody who is struggle to keep a job, somebody who is struggling to get good, decent, fair wages and the ability to take your kids to a doctor that's not an emergency room visit at 11:00 at night, i'm not quite so -- i just don't understand why some of these people out in the crowds, they're conned by a guy who talks about ims hhimself all th time, lies about himself all the time, inflates what he has done all the time. then, of course, on top of that he has convinced a lot of these people that their biggest problem, their biggest problem is the media. >> yeah. >> right. yeah, we're the enemy of the people. >> if that's their biggest problem, that's interesting. >> yeah.
and, look, he is, as mike said, it is a con. it has been an effective con. the other thing he does before these audiences is make ridiculous promises that are just -- that will never be kept. you know, he's bringing back the steel industry. they're opening eight new plants. well, that's just simply not true. it is not happening, yet he says it and people applaud and this and that, and he's very skillful at making -- drawing these cultural and racial lines and essentially putting people in the position of being with him or with ms-13 basically. it is a demagogue's tool kit that he uses, and he uses it effectively. >> and, elise jordan, to an extent he chips away at his own
credibility when he has policies like the separation policy. he talks about the wall. he talks about immigration in the most, quite frankly, he degrading way to people, but some of that is appreciated by the base for whatever reasons. having said that, isn't it fair to say the policy of taking children away from their families has definitely hurt the president? nobody likes that. i can't imagine that would poll well. >> well, and, mika, especially women that i've spoken with who are trump supporters don't support the child separation policy, even if they support donald trump. so john kasich himself pointed out this weekend that suburban women are going to be really key in this 12th district and in picking who the next congressman is going to be, and so i really am curious what the suburban women of columbus, ohio are going to decide to do today in light of donald trump focusing
more on any distraction that he can throw at the wall to try to turn people away from the real issues that are affecting men and women in this country, namely the families and children who have been separated by his inhumane policy, but also health care. and looking at what has donald trump done to actually improve health care for men and women of the 12th district. >> yes. >> jake sherman, it is very interesting that when lam won his shock election several months ago we were talking about the suburbs of pittsburgh. now we're talking about another midwestern town, the suburbs of columbus, ohio. and if you look at one area where republicans have been hurt the most, where donald trump has lost the most support, the reason why he's sitting at 39%, 40%, 41%, depending on whether you believe gallup or quinnipiac, isn't so much of that the bleeding support that
he's seen when it comes to suburban voters, which used to be the absolute bedrock of any republican presidential campaign? >> yeah, it is a huge problem, and the majority will be won and lost in the suburbs, there's no question about that. i think the important thing to point out here and what we need to wrap our head around is if this district is competitive, r-plus seven die, a district that the last two congressmen from the district won by a dozen points every single time, if this is competitive then there are 80 seats in america that are competitive just like this. there are 80 republican seats in that kind of range that could be on the table come november. so democrats are seeing extremely rapidly their political map expand, to a point where they could -- and we don't know. we are just talking based on
available information. we could see a massive amount of seats flip if a district like this is competitive. there are suburbs obviously all over the country that are less republican than this that could go. so we're seeing just -- it almost doesn't even matter who wins tonight, because it is competitive and that shows a really huge change in the political fortunes of the democratic and republican parties. >> and we'll have a live report from the battleground district straight ahead. plus, two throwbacks from decades ago that have a special sort of resonance today. what mike pence was saying about presidential morality in the late 1990s. >> let me get, let me guess, let me guess. it is different than what he is saying now. >> yes. >> what a shock. >> very. >> situational morality. >> and what donald trump had to say about john mccain right around the same time. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> well, once again we are talking about heat from the west coast to the southeast, to the
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we can harm our families, employers and our friends. the president of the united states can incinerate the planet. >> wow. >> seriously, the very idea we ought to have at or less than the same moral standards placed on the chief executive than we place on our next-door neighbor is ludicrous and dangerous. throughout our history we have seen the presidency as repository of highest hopes, ideals and values. to demand less is to do an injustice to the blood that bought our freedoms. >> wow. >> geez. >> pence adds in another column referring to clinton again. >> preach, preach. >> the president's repeated lies to the american people in this matter compound the case against him as they demonstrate his failure to protect the institution of the presidents as the inspiring supreme symbol of all that is highest in our american i deals. leaders affect the lives of families far beyond their own private life. >> amen. preach on, brother. >> mike pence at the time when he wrote those was a radio host in indiana.
posted it to his website. if you superimpose it to 2018 they take on a new meaning. >> he was a radio host? >> he was. >> and now he has fallen to vice president with donald trump. those are words to live by. once again, restores your faith in the one enduring aspect of american politics, hypocrisy. >> yes. >> he is a living symbol of hypocrisy, mike pence, sadly. >> i guess we are holding our neighbors the moral standard of maybe don't creep on 15, 16, 17-year-old girls backstage at the miss teen usa pageant. that's who mike pence thinks has great enough moral standards to be in the white house these days i guess. >> don't pay-off porn stars perhaps. >> you have also, elise, if you read what franklin graham wrote during the clinton impeachment time, it was just as self-righteous and just as sickening given the current
stand that he's -- he's in right now. but for mike pence, again, i keep wondering, when is mike pence going to speak out. you know, donald trump and mike pence and the republican party supported roy moore when with all of those accusations were coming forward in that campaign. to go from where he went in 1999 to where he is right now, not that long later, not that much later, shocking turnaround, that now he is defending this guy. you have others saying, well, it is just between him and his wife and god. it is not what he was saying, it is not what franklin graham was saying, it is not what a lot of republicans who are defending donald trump were saying in 1999. >> but there's this attitude that i heard frequently justifying the current sins because of the past sins. well, because he did it, it is okay for him to do it now.
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well, the great honor of my life was to serve in the company of heroes. i'm not a hero, but those who were my senior ranking officers, people like colonel bedet, congressional medal of honor winner, those who inspired us to do things we otherwise wouldn't have been capable of doing, those are the people i think he owes an apology to. >> that was senator john mccain on "morning joe" back in 2015 with his first public response to trump mocking his years as a p.o.w. it turns out that wasn't the first time trump made those comments. jake sherman, you posted a clip on twitter yesterday of dan rather interviewing trump back in 1999, and it teeturedfeature at trump's trip to california where he tried to build support among members of the reform party for a possible presidential bid. here was the reaction to the sales pitch, plus something
trump said 19 years ago that he famously echoed during the 2016 campaign. take a look. >> i was disappointed because i felt that he -- i felt he was very attacking of other members of the party, which i thought was very disrespectful. >> i think he came. i think you heard what he had to say, and we're excited. >> i think he's a con man and ought to go back to new york. >> why? >> because he's coming out here, just trying to destroy our party. that's the way i look at it. >> the way trump looks at it, he is at least better than everyone else in the race beginning with john mccain. >> i mean he was captured. >> and you flew combat missions. >> does being captured make you a hero? i don't know, i'm not sure. >> wow. jake sherman, so we thought it was the first time he said it in the past few years. it is a horrific thing to say, and it seems like the public's relationship with trump has really transformed as his presence, obviously, has become all the more serious on the
world stage. but he said it so many years ago. >> yeah. i'm glad my youtube fishing is good for something. yeah, no, it is obviously fascinating, and the president has, despite people urging him in his party, he has continued to throw shade at john mccain about his vote last year, about a year ago right now, against repealing the health care law. so it has been something, obviously a consistent thread, his disdain for john mccain going back to 1999 when he first thought about running for president. >> you know, willie, this bears repeating. donald trump dodged the draft. he got, what, four, five deferments. >> for his little feet. >> for bone spurs. you know, those little feet, it is hard to carry around all of that weight i guess. he's got bone spurs. but he is sitting there, making fun of a man who was flying very early in the war, got shot down
on combat missions. i know a lot of great american heroes like bud day who did and a lot of other great men who did during the vietnam war, and, you know, he carries those scars to this day. again, as everybody knows but it has to be repeated again, the north vietnamese were going to let john mccain leave and go home because his father was an important man in the united states military, and he refused. he wouldn't go until the rest of his band of brothers said, until they allowed all of them to go, and he didn't do it. he stayed there. he stayed behind. >> i hadn't seen that clip from 1999. i thought when we heard it from on that stage three years ago during the presidential campaign it was maybe something impulsive that he came out with in reaction to john mccain, but apparently it is a deeply-held belief he has had for 20 years
or so now. yeah, of course, all of the things you have said are true, and a side-by-side comparison of the two men is preposterous. remember, at that moment when he said it during the campaign that was one where we all said by conventional rules of politics this guy is in trouble. the front page of the "new york post" said this guy was finished. when he survived that and his numbers went up after that, that was one of the first signs we had that his candidacy would be different from all of the others. >> coming up on "morning joe", a live report from ohio where the polls are open in a special election. will a perceived gaffe have an impact. steve kornacki will join us with his live analysis next on "morning joe."
ohio's 12th congressional district and polls show the race is now in a dead heat. with us from columbus, ohio, msnbc correspondent garett haack. what can we expect today? we expect a close race which is news worthy. it is a district donald trump won by 11 points. it used to be won in the mid 60s. we expect a single-digit race with the possibility that a democrat could represent this district here, basically suburbs and exurbs around columbus, ohio, for the first time in my lifetime and for the first time in his lifetime. the democratic candidate here is only 31 years old. what you have here is this relatively familiar formula we've seen in some of the special elections where you have the president has essentially opened the door here by firing up a democratic base who just doesn't like him and hasn't had
much to be excited about here in a very long time, and democrats hope by turning off some of the moderate republicans, this is typical john kasich, mitt romney, john mccain territory here. i have been talking to some of the voters who say they really can't get behind trump, and that lingers. that sort of has this overhang on troy balderson, the republican candidate here. danny o'connor had all of the momentum. he got help last night in the form of a good old-fashioned campaign gaffe by balderson who was on the stump, last event of the day. he said, we don't want somebody from franklin county representing us here. he was in one of the more rural parts of the state. frankl franklin county is the biggest county in the state. democrats seize on it. balderson tried to clean it up this morning. >> i'm excited about the day, excited to represent the 12 it congressional district. it is a big day and we worked hard to get here. at american pride last night did you say you didn't want someone from franklin county? >> i'm going to work for this
whole congressional district is what i'm going to work for. >> do you want to elaborate on that at all? >> i'm going to work for the whole district. >> all right. >> we will go anywhere and talk to issues that matter around the kitchen table, how you save for retirement and health costs. there's no community i won't address. >> this guy is going to win. >> reporter: yeah, that's danny o'connor at the end of this. he has to play error-free baseball to win in a district like this, but he has run a tight campaign. republicans got excited when he appeared to walk back the pledge not to vote for nancy pelosi for speaker should he get elected. he came back out and said, absolutely i'm not going to support her. he has kept his distance from everything washington, and it seems to be working for him, but, again, it will be very close tonight. >> thanks so much. greatly appreciate it. it looks like a fascinating race there. willie geist saying that, well,
basically disrespecting franklin county would be a lot like starting your presidential campaign saying, you know what? we're going to win this race for president and we sure as heck don't need any of those iowa people helping us or any of those new hampshire goons representing us. >> it turns out franklin county is where most of the people are. national political correspondent and msnbc, steve kornacki. you will be at the big board tonight for the special election. >> yes. >> as garett said, the president won this district by 11 points but lost franklin county. >> it is never smart for a politician to sound that way, but interesting when you get someone like balderson bashing the franklin county part, it speaks to a massive cultural in
2016 political divide in the district and mirrors the country. you seen the far eastern part of the district, that's where balderson is from, what he represents. culturally, it is light years from columbus and the immediate columbus suburbs. you see a third of the voters are in that geographically hard part that swung hard against donald trump. it was virtually a tie in 2012, franklin county right there, it was virtually a tie. it turned into a 20-point clinton win in 2016. that's the part of the country, the up scale, college-educated, suburban, white collar professional. they don't like trump. muskegon county where balderson is from, that's the other part of the country we talk about. in 2012 barack obama won that portion of the district over mitt romney. four years later, donald trump by nearly 30 points takes it. >> incredible. >> that huge swing we saw in that part of the country is embodied by that half of the district. it is almost the population, it is not quite 50/50, but it is
close to an even split in the district. you are getting a measure of the two erk inamerica, a measure of they reacted to trump after two years and a measure of the enthusiasm tonight. >> boy, steve, what a measurement, and it is a microcosm of the republican party's problems. i had relatives from columbus in arlington heights and been there time and time again. that is the center of america. it is the heartbeat of america, and that -- i mean growing up, all of my relatives there were the most republican of republicans. like as rock-ribbed, red republican as it gets. that's just not the case anymore. i mean they voted for mccain, they voted for romney, they loved reagan, they voted for w., and none of my relatives that i know there, all of these lifelong republicans voted for trump. >> and you're talking about the area close to columbus, you could add the name john kasich
for congress two districts. this was his district or a version of the 12th district. but what you are describing is the change demographically, the change culturally in the republican party based on the appeal of donald trump, based on the backlash to donald trump. it is really embodied in this district. we talked about donald trump doing worse really than any republican we had ever seen in 2016 with suburban, traditionally republican voters. folks that vote the pocketbook a lot, maybe more cultural centrist, they tend not to like taxes, that's columbus and the immediate suburbs around columbus. as we see in many ways they were repelled by donald trump. delaware county is a big suburban area that donald trump carried in 2016, but mitt romney was well over 20 point, trump got it by 16 points in 2016 and the flip side is the appeal donald trump has. it is that blue collar, non-college white we talked
about, ohio, pennsylvania, michigan, the eastern part of this district, like zansville, that's the heart of the trump surge in 2016. are we still seeing evidence of that trump surge or are we seeing evidence that the voters two years in are willing to go back towards the democrats? >> this could be fascinating. in a moment i'm going to read an interview that was done with paul ryan for the ""new york times"" magazine. let's stay in ohio. i'm looking at the president's tweets about the special election there. are people on twitter responding, you know, in kind to the president's outreach for this candidate? >> well, i think what we're seeing is that there are people who are still trump supporters, who excited about the fact that he uses twitter. they think it is his personal. they see him as brash. i have been in ohio and a lot of people that voted for him looked at him as a wild card, looked at him as someone who could be great for the country or sink us
all. i think now that they've had a year and a half, two years to look at the president to see how it operates as president, we'll figure out whether or not the people think that the economy the president keeps talking about is trickling down and helping their wages, while unemployment rates are historically low wages are still pretty low and people have a lot of bills they're trying to pay, that they hope the president can help them do that. i think it is going to come down to whether or not they like the president's personality because obviously he has been as brash as ever. >> you know, mika, she is so right. so much of donald trump's support or opposition is personal-driven. we're hearing more and more, i told you i talked to the three or four trump supporters this past weekend and just sat and lessened, a listened, and to a man they said, i don't like the guy, he is a jerk, i wouldn't want him at my house, but, hey, he is going to shake things up and i'm
supporting him because the economy is going well. this morning in the paper someone interviewed republicans in the district, knocked on a door and a woman came out who said, i supported trump but i hate him, i can't stand the guy. there's a lingering question on whether she will be voting republican tonight or voting democratic. again, in off-year elections so much is driven by intensity, getting people out to vote for a candidate. it is just -- you just wonder how compelling the case is to get out and vote for a republican when you have a president you support but you don't like. >> yeah. as i mentioned, joe, take a look at this. mark levovic posted a new profile of speaker paul ryan for "the new york times" magazine. it is entitled, this is the way paul ryan's speakership ends. in it, mark writes in part, quote, ryan made a determination after trump's election that to defy the president too forcefully would invite a
counter reaction. he tends to speak of the commander in chief as if he were sharing a coping strategy on dealing with a ritalin-deprived child. ryan prefers to tell trump how he feels in private. he joins a large group of trump's allies, many of whom who have worked in the administration, who insist they've shaped trump's thinking and behavior in private. the, trust-me-i've-stopped-this-from- being-worse approach. i can look myself in the mirror and say, i avoided that tragedy, i avoided this tragedy, i advanced this goal, i advanced this goal. i locked in on the world tragedy. it sets the mind reeling as to what thwarted tragedies ryan might be talking about. i asked for an example. no, i don't want to do that, ryan replied, that's more than i usually say. what's he talking about?
>> willie, if you are a conservative, you look and see a guy who made a fool of himself in north korea. claimed that he was going to hold the north koreans accountable. their nuclear program and their missile program is moving forward more quickly than it was even under barack obama. you look at outreach to vladimir putin. he has completely scrapped america's vision of europe and america's vision of the world and repelling vladimir putin. he has backed down time and again. the biggest deficits ever, the biggest spending sprees ever, the biggest national death ever, the things that paul ryan supposedly stood for. i'm not exactly sure what tragedies have been averted. >> well, he got his tax cut at the end of last year and he stood there and applauded with other republicans. that was the goal of at least going along with a lot of what president trump was doing that they didn't like so they could
achieve their legislative ends. but as joe says, these are core questions to a conservative like paul ryan, exploding deficits, these tariffs. he is on his way out of the door. you might think in an interview like this he might be more forthcoming in his thoughts over donald trump. what will paul ryan's legacy be in the next couple of years dealing with the president? >> paul ryan's legacy will be one of weakness. to joe's point, this is a man who espoused a strong belief in free trade, and you look at what donald trump is doing with the various trade wars he is engaging in. it falls hollow to say, oh, we averted this tragedy, we stopped this, we stopped that, you just have no idea what we're doing in private but we can't give you an example. it reminds me of ivanka trump's language. you could substitute her for her excuses for her father's
behavior, claiming she is influential in private but can't speak out in public. we see how donald trump respond to what is on television, respond to what is in the press. he cares about public critique. it is an incredibly weak tact for the so-called allies to fall back on that excuse. >> the argument we have heard from speaker ryan and ots is he had a job as speaker of the house to keep his delegation together, to keep republicans together, to achieve goals like the tax cut. we wondered time and again why he wouldn't occasionally step to the bank of the microphones and criticize the president or, when appropriate, to go after a policy or decision or comment that the president has made. our reporters follows these guys and women around the capital, they just look exhausted by the questions, responding to the daily tweet by the president. >> i think paul ryan as the leader reflect the psychology of what is made by every member of congress, and that is they look
back to their districts and look back in most cases to being more afraid of a republican primary challenge than of a general election opponent. >> except he didn't have one. he's on his way out. >> yeah, and, again, paul ryan talking about tragedies being averted, you have the biggest national debt ever, the biggest spending bill ever over the past year, the most protectionist president since hoover. you could go down the list, all of the racist statements, on and on, children at the border being seized from their mothers. what tragedies could have been averted? how could this have been worse? >> well, i think that's the key question, and paul ryan is really the only person and maybe other republicans in the room, are the only ones that can vouch for whether or not paul ryan was able to actually change this president's mind. from my reporting it seems as though there are people who come
in and try to influence the president, and time and time again if it is john kelly, reince priebus, sean spicer, all of these people come in thinking they will be the reminds everybody he's president and he's his own communications director. he's going to do what he wants to do. it's really hard for me to figure out what paul ryan is talking about without him being very clear. >> it makes no sense. i think when you are on the issues of racism and bigotry and abuse of children. if you can't have a voice, whether you're a democrat or a republican, you need to leave washington now. if you can't share your opinion on that, if you're too afraid, why are you there? steve kornacki and amesh, thank you. up next, one of the biggest concert events in the fall is weeks away. we'll explain.
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hugh jackman will host. joining us now, the ceo of global citizen. this year's festival presented by citi which has within a long and proud partner. let's start with the ad budget first of all. the back page of "the new york times." another incredible lineup. the music is always great. it's sort of just to get a lot of eyeballs and people hearing the message. >> this is a hugely important year for us. obviously we lead into the midterms coming up in november so we're going to be encouraging young people to take action. we're going to be attacking some of the most important global issues of our time. we're going to be focusing on women's economic empowerment. making sure the 260 million
children out of school get adequate financing to get back into school. >> we focus on this almost every year. the white house proposing aid cuts which are so important around the world. >> we know that currently the united states gives about 1% of its budget in foreign aid. we want to resist any proposals to cut foreign aid. we've got great bipartisan support. have said, you know, across the board we don't want to see foreign aid cuts because we know the three legs of the school of international development are development, diplomacy and defense and we can't just invest in defense. we also need to invest in development and we need to make sure we have a safe world for the future. >> joe, i know you'll be screaming like a teenage girl for sean mendez, front row. >> always will. i'll be throwing my tie on stage. and anything else that may come
off during those heated moments. >> oh, please. >> you've focused for years on extreme poverty. there's obviously great challenges with budget cuts, 32% budget cuts here. also though, you're not just challenging the united states, you're challenging europe to step forward, to lean in, to continue the battle against extreme poverty. talk about how important that is. also talk about the games that have been made since five years ago, since you began this battle against extreme poverty worldwide. >> well, i should start by saying that global citizen is one part of a much broader movement that is embodied in the united states sustainable development goals. designed to end extreme poverty, tackle climate change and reduce inequality. so many great organizations around the world are at the forefront of combating the scourge of extreme poverty. since global citizen started seven years ago, millions of
actions have been taken, leading to over $37 billion announced on global citizen stages that will affect the lives of some 2 billion people by 2030 so we're really proud of the impact that's been had. in fact, in my lifetime, extreme poverty is halved from 62% of the world's population, down to less than 10%. but there are still 750 million people living in extreme poverty which is far too many in this world of plenty. >> jennifer, as i said, citi's been there from the beginning. what's the role of a large private company like yours in this fight against global poverty? >> we've been partnered are hugh and his team at global citizen for years since the inception. and for us, it's just -- it's critically important that as a brand and as a large company that we're standing for issues that matter, that have impact. and, again, with global citizen,
the partnership's been very powerful and long standing. given that we share some common goals and collective goals. enabling progress has been a mission that citi's stood for for almost two centuries. working with global citizen allows us to amplify that message. >> not a bad partner sitting next to you. >> no, not a bad partner. >> literally citi's been with us since the very beginning. thank you. >> we're happy to be along for this journey. >> msnbc exclusively will air the global citizen festival saturday september 29th at 3:00 p.m. eastern. you can go to nbcnews.com/global citizen to learn how you can take action yourself and earn points for free tickets to that big and excellent concert in new york city coming up next month. hugh, jennifer, thank you so much for what you're doing. mika. >> absolutely wonderful. and as we close the show, we
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