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Listen, the russian militarys very disorganized, the people -- theres a lot of, you know, disillusion. and then other guests have said, no, no, theyre very strong, this is plan b, theyre moving forward. when you talk to ukraine koreans, what -- ukrainians, what do they think? do they think the russians are strong, or do they think that theyre disorganized and not doing well? >> reporter: they know that the ukrainian -- that the russian army is the powerhouse here. they know that, you know, they ...