their people. and what i would say to democrats is we need a narrative as well. we need a narrative that says what does a thriving, prosperous, multi-racial democracy look like? in terms of all the hope, all the aspirations that that brings. so i do fear what i had seen earlier in my journeys throughout white america, in terms of a white nationalist, violent, extremist and paranoid tenor is now in the mainstream. katherine, although as rich pointed out, white nationalism is a huge issue in the republican party. it s not the only demographic paranoia that s taking hold. you are an expert on religious nationalism. tell us a little bit more about how these two concepts intersect. what exactly is religious nationalism? how has it manifested itself in our body politics and the right in this country? that s right, religious nationalism, or christian