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And you actually want to revise some of the conclusions you came to in that. >> yeah. that book really cast a lot of blame on both parties for the decline of congress as a deliberative body, as a body that really debated and worked together and used the rules in an appropriate fashion to allow all the members to have a say and a buy-in and now its really cheer what we have is acy metric and seen it on display this year with an all-republican congress. the idea of now turning to bipartisanship af...

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Reached out to him and the russians reached out to him and offered dirt and these e-mails that were released after the meeting in trump tower with trump jr. so, its, its so enticing to jump to the -- some other conclusions. there is not just smoke here. theres small fires. but they build to something that we need to understand. this is such an important investigation. we havent even gotten to the point where weve talked about the russians successfully hacking into three dozen states and their bo...

Is the most important thing hes ever done in his life. lets listen. >> we have not reached any conclusions but the importance of what were doing i said a year ago, this is the most important thing ill ever work on. i feel that more strongly today than even a year ago. >> make sense for us. this is going on for a while. they have seen things happen in the mueller investigation. and in the other investigations. but a lot of people havent seen exactly what theyre looking for so how do warner and th...

Norm, i start with you. you wrote a book 11 years ago and the subtitle was "how congress is failing america." and you actually want to revise some of the conclusions you came to in that. >> yeah. that book really cast a lot of blame on both parties for the decline of congress as a deliberative body, as a body that really debated and worked together and used the rules in an appropriate fashion to allow all the members to have a say and a buy-in and now its really cheer what we have is acy metric ...

Every word of it myself. that was the most even presentation of what this year has been that you will find anywhere. thats not an msnbc view. thats not a fox view, thats a straight down the middle assessment of for better or worse, here is what has just transpired. and it gets frustrating for me for people who hear what they want to hear, hear what they think they hear and dont listen clearly. one more if weve got time for it. your paean of trump was disgusting. rajiv can you get together with t...

Josh? >> she said they have no intention to fire him. that opens up a broad avenue to turn around and fire him later on if republicans decide and circumstances warrant. but the obvious goal here i think is to impugn muellers credibility, to undermine the investigation, to turn this into every other political issue in the country and make it about a partisan divide about republicans versus democrats, about stoking these tribal feelings so if trump or somebody in trumps inner circle is indicted or...

Important. >> weve not reached any conclusions. but the importance of what were doing, i said this is the most important thing weve done. i feel that more strongly today. >> it makes you sit up a little more in your seat. what is he getting at? >> hes getting at the fact this is most important scandal since watergate. and we make a lot of comparisons with watergate. but there was a big difference. in watergate, democrats controlled congress and they wanted to get to the bottom of what happened. ...

Lays out his conclusions, says the president obstructed justice, i dont know if he says that. there will be a good portion of the public that wont believe it. >> thats the whole point. they are trying to sway public opinion on this and in some cases its working. theyre trying to protect the investigation. the democrats risk looking political at some points, too. taking to the senate floor at times to talk about not firing mueller. when it exists as a possibility, not necessarily firing mueller b...

Contributor to our network. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me on. >> are you confident the white house is not going to try to do what they can to fire mueller? >> oh, i think they will do what they can. mueller is getting them in -- theyre going to be in a lot of trouble. i previously said and i believe this, that -- no matter how much the actual russia part of this investigation turns out, and i dont know that we can make conclusions about that yet, its almost certain that trumps en...