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The conclusions before the trials happened, but rest assured, hes reviewing all the information and hes doing his job. hes doing the job that he was elected and sent by the voters of utah to do. >> with appreciation for their passion and candor, frank figliuzzi, annie karni, lanhee chen, thank you all for starting us off tonight. coming up, more on justice turning the review of the russia investigation into a criminal justice inquiry. plus, the presidents lawyer is back to looking for a lawy...

Agencies and the fbi, a conclusion ratified again just this month by a republican-led senate intelligence committee investigation. what had been considered an administrative review of those conclusions is now a full-blown criminal probe. we dont know exactly when that started. giving u.s. attorney, john durham, the power to convene a grand jury and subpoena witnesses. nbc white house correspondent kristen welker joins me as well as matt miller and legal analyst mimi rocah, julia ainsley, matt mi...

Require him to be knowingly going along with that. there are reasons for concern but there are also reasons for us to do what were not very good at which is to stay tuned and recognize there is so much we dont understand about whats going on here. >> a lot we dont understand, we should not be jumping to conclusions. but kristen welker, it has to be alarming to the democrats running this impeachment inquiry that a whole other criminal investigation to some of the former officials who were front a...

Mr. horwitz was also looking at things like the fisa process and whatnot. and if i remember from the hillary clinton email investigation, it was the i.g. i think it was the i.c., i.g., who referred to the fbi some questions or concerns about potential criminal conduct. did that happen in this case? did the doj/i.g. finish their investigation and report this with concerns about crimes? >> so, this process has been a little bit opaque. we know that there was a rush to get the report to get some of...

Investigation may be of some high level decisions that were made. on the other hand, it may not be. so we shouldnt jump to conclusions yet. >> there was a lot of work done by intelligence officials, involved in the russia investigation. could this put them in a vulnerable position in the investigation, officials from the cia, officials from the fbi, if theyre found to have committed wrongdoings? >> it is possible, but what i see, the direction that i see this going, is that even if there was som...

And say, look, ive arrived at the conclusions before the trials happened, but rest assured, hes reviewing all the information and hes doing his job. hes doing the job that he was elected and sent by the voters of utah to do. >> with appreciation for their passion and candor, frank figliuzzi, annie karni, lanhee chen, thank you all for starting us off tonight. coming up, more on justice turning the review of the russia investigation into a criminal justice inquiry. plus, the presidents lawyer...

Ukraines president was actually feeling pressure as far back as early may to publicly investigate the company tied to joe bidens son. and of course theres the taylor testimony, which even some republicans concede was damaging. senator john thune of south dakota saying that although it was hard, in his words, to draw hard and fast conclusions, the picture from initial reports was, quote, in his words, not a good one. a short time ago laura cooper wrapped up her testimony. joining us is one of the...

Lutsenko and mr. giuliani. thune heard about the bill taylor testimony and found it to the hand-picked ambassador to be troubling. he wanted more information, he the european union told congress wanted to see it in detail, but that the key to changing the what he had seen was very troubling. manu raju noticed that today and pltpl presidents mind on ukraine was mr. giuliani. the former ambassador to ukraine noticed it was the shift. told congress she thought >> the picture he painted of the giuli...

this all leads. its a remarkable contrast in courage. >> and to that point i just want to play the sound. yesterday john thune, the number two republican in the senate from south dakota said that the picture being painted by bill taylor was not a good one. that was then. this is now. >> right now were hearing one side of the story. until we get the full picture i said this yesterday, i think its hard to draw any conclusions. >> reporter: the picture painted of the president wasnt great. do yo...

That the president apparently had directed the military aid to be withheld in exchange for a public declaration of investigations that could help him politically? >> did he talk to the president? >> he talked to -- >> oh. thats hearsay. heres what i can -- >> you dont think hes trustworthy -- >> heres what i cant get over. if rudy giuliani had a 15-page statement saying he did nothing wrong, wouldnt you want to know more? would you accept that statement? ive got nothing against bill taylor. its ...