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Matters if the trump side through his lawyers entertained the idea and took steps to witness tamper or obstruct by dangling the pardon further. >> you dont think it matters whether or not keen lied to congress again in his public testimony? >> if he lied to congress again, his voracity is in even deeper trouble. hes highly motivated to get this right or he will spend more time in prison and incur the wrath of the southern district and he should not be doing that. >> yeah. joyce, whats your sense...

Youll remember the lion air flight, october of last year, boeing 737 max 8, this plane crashed taking off out of jakarta. again, were seeing the same plane, alex, involved in another crash. >> we wont talk about the types of accident because the lion air accident is still being investigated, but, yes, youre absolutely correct. this is the second 737 max 8 incident in less than five months. that is somewhat unprecedented for a brand-new aircraft. but we shouldnt draw any conclusions yet. because ...

Trouble. hes highly motivated to get this right or he will spend more time in prison and incur the wrath of the southern district and he should not be doing that. >> yeah. joyce, whats your sense of the degree to which robert muellers conclusions in whatever report he finally issues hinges on the things he learned from michael cohen? >> if it hinges on michael cohens testimony, it wont be just michael cohen. for prosecutors to put together a case, they might use cohen for instance to narrate the...

>> joey, i got to play this from defense attorney mark geragos, heres something else that he brought up, listen to this. >> what is happening here is frankly, a media gang bang of this guy of unprecedented proportions. thats the reason i got into this. ive never seen a media pendulum swing more quickly and more viciously and rob somebody of their presumption of innocence like this case. its startling the way people assume that hes guilty. >> he brings up that bigger issue of innocent until prove...

He also testified for two days in the intel committee about various matters. i cant get into the specific testimony however i would strongly urge people to review that testimony once it comes out, once he publishes it before they jump to any conclusions about this controversy. >> can you tell us that may have been released and confidential at this point, can you tells who is more credible on this issue of whether michael cohen asked personally f personally for a pardon? >> i think your previous ...

The intel committee. i think people should look at documents and the interview transcript. i think schiff is trying to weigh two things. one trying to publish the interview transcript so that the public can see it but ton the other hand making sure he doesnt inadvertently shape, alter or taint the testimony of future witnesses that are coming before the intel committee. >> did michael cohen have documents that cooberate his testimony that he never asked for a pardon? >> i cant get into the speci...

Judgments until i know all of the facts and it is important not to be rushing to judgment. i said that lying to the american people for self interested reasons can in fact constitute an abuse of power. then it becomes you analyze the facts. i dont jump to conclusions about whether or not the facts constitutes -- >> on the question of stormy daniels payments, the president said on camera i know nothing about it. now we know as individual one he not only knew about it but he orchestrated it. that ...

Happen today? >> he is a judge who speaks his mind freely. that doesnt necessarily mean at the end of the day it will affect his conclusions. i do think, though, that those particular comments give us a little bit of insight, which is that he may be thinking that manafort, in some ways, has been more of a target for a more thorough and vigorous investigation than he might have, had he not been associated with the trump matters. that may factor in for him. i think my personal view is that were lo...

35% said they believe the president over cohen. thats a bad number for the president. joining me is democratic congresswoman jackie speier who was in that house intelligence committee hearing today, peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times,". thank you all for different perspectives. congresswoman, are you with the public on this that believes more of cohen than they do of trump in >> without a doubt. without a doubt. >> what about today, were getting a report today t...

Collusion as you know for two years. as we anticipate, the imminent may be possibly released of the separate mueller report. senator warner says there is plenty of evidence despite this from his republican chairman. >> there are is no factual evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russia. >> here now vice chair of the senate intelligence committee senator mark warner. senator, great to have you with us this evening. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: you say that you and chairman bur...