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Here. >> lets assume that the president asked him to stop investigating flynn. that doesnt rise to the level of obstruction of justice. this idea that there was some collusion with russian nationals and even putin to interfere and did interfere with the election i think is just ludicrous based on what we know at this point. >> the truth is there is no collusion with the russians in the trump campaign. there is not a single piece of evidence that demonstrates that the trump campaign had any illeg...

Or any smoke. i think we would know. i think we would know if there was evidence suggesting that there was a crime that happened here. >> lets assume that the president asked him to stop investigating flynn. that doesnt rise to the level of obstruction of justice. this idea that there was some collusion with russian nationals and even putin to interfere -- and did interfere -- with the election i think is just ludicrous based on what we know at this point. the truth is there was no collusion w...

Acting attorney general, end the mueller investigation? >> well, ill tell you, it comes as a little bit of a surprise. not that jeff sessions has been replaced. that tension has been there from almost the beginning with attorney general sessions, who i think is an honorable man recusing himself from the russia investigation. but now here he is, the chief of staff is now the acting attorney general. so lets wait and see. i know a lot of conclusions are being drawn in light of the comments that mr...

Would necessitate separate legislation, coming up later on, others have urged to protect mueller, are you in that camp? does he still need the protection? or that at this point it is not even necessary? >> two points i want to make quickly, one is we do not know what the special prosecutor has done. we know that theyre been seven guilty pleas already. 30 indictments of both americans and russians, we know that the top officials in the presidents businesses and campaign are now working with muell...

Heather: investigators moving inside the building, in and out of the building, contained in the building, looking at the level of activity that is happening, doesnt seem to you he is down at this point? >> it is hard to make any conclusions at this point. i am watching like you are. you always want -- something else is a popular threat. >> the second -- >> an explosive device. it will take some time and it is an extraordinary challenge. heather: we are now going to

Like a win leader. and it was always the fact that, if someone gets a cold, we dont have a majority any longer and that was the stopping point for him. its dangerous for him to bring these big conclusions from any events. it looked like all politics were local and the two candidates in that district, we love to draw those big themes out of it. >> thats what we are paid to do. >> yes. candidates and issues are really appealing to a live. the clock is ticking on the funding for the president borde...

The better angels are done by the end. book. >> do you think you were being a little subtle with the cover? >> i tried to make it something that people could draw their own conclusions on. >> so i get home from work last night, more appropriately, this morning. and of course, you cant come down right away, so you do what every good american should do, you turn on msnbc. 4:00 in the morning, youre here with notes on a shirt cardboard. and im thinking, does beschloss do this? no, hes got neat litt...

>> this is a serious step by the president. i just want to underscore what mr. laufman said in terms of relying on people within the justice department, essentially to squawk, to allow it to be known whats going on there. if, in fact, we have a crisis of ethics in the justice department, and if, in fact, this move was done to obstruct justice, to shut down the investigation that is lawfully pursuing these matters. and that hasnt come to its conclusions. all right, weve got more to come tonight. ...

How do you see your role as a moral leader? >> go ahead. >> mr. president, how do you see your role as a moral leader. >> theres so many people. im sorry. go ahead. >> as a moral leader, though? >> i think i am a great moral leader and i love our country. >> president trump again in the white house today, while claiming to be a great moral leader, trump refused a chance to reset politics and apologize for the dismissive rhetoric we have heard over the past month. while hes been out on the campai...

Of the day, he is able to get everything else about the presidents actions from other witnesses, other people in the room. so to the extent he needs to establish the presidents intent when he took the action, all of the suspect actions around obstruction of justice, firing jim comey, asking intel officials to interfere with the fbi. he has enough other witnesses to make his own conclusions. if anything, its in the presidents interest to come in and offer an alternative explanation. so i suspect ...