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Transcripts for MSNBC Why Is This Happening Live With Chris Hayes Rachel Maddow 20240604 02:06:00

sort of opposition or criticism of the leader, right. this is what fascism is. this is how it works and there may be a form of government that includes other sources of authority when the leader takes over, but those other sources of authority within the government will be either neutered or closed down and so the congress will not fung, the fourth estate will no longer be free, civil society will not be allowed to do anything that is critical or in opposition, political opponents will not be tolerated, ultimately disfavored minorities will be scapegoated and then you head down and elimination is path. i mean, this is how these things go and to know that i will accrue all power to myself, i will unify civilian and military authority on day one and have that be the announced plan, it just means that we're there, right? this is it. like, we're not in a

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Transcripts for MSNBC Why Is This Happening Live With Chris Hayes Rachel Maddow 20240604 02:17:00

says they deserve it. franco was napoleon-sized, right? like hitler was a dork. mussolini was a journalist and a socialist. >> those aren't the worst things. >> those aren't the worst things in the world but like not a great linkedin setup for like i want to be -- you know what i mean? like there's nothing about these guys that is inherently that transformed those countries against their will. those countries were country to an anti-democratic, pro-authoritarian provement that had skills and the people were ready to do it. so you end up with a huey long being very successful in the project that he was part of. the person who fdr most feared running against in 1936 was

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Transcripts for MSNBC Why Is This Happening Live With Chris Hayes Rachel Maddow 20240604 02:02:00

sort of acculturation of a class of lawyers will or won't go for at a certain moment. >> yeah. >> that's like in reality what it means is like when it time to do the coup, which lawyers will be like, yes and will with be like no and that's like a social logical fact as opposed to an abstract fact about law because law is no. you can't, but if you got people with bad enough faith and bad enough intentions and sort of morally dubious enough and smart enough. they can come up with ways to make a colorable argument that, yes. and we got lucky insofar as like there were a few but there were many more who didn't. >> yes. >> but that idea that like it comes down to that which it sort of shows up in that fayetteville chapter that everyone who's

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