that we seize it. my presidency is entering the fourth quarter. interesting stuff happens in the fourth quarter. and i'm looking forward to it. going into the fourth quarter, you usually get a time-out. i'm now looking forward to a quiet time-out. christmas with my family. i want to wish everybody a measure wrimerry christmas, a happy hanukkah, a happy new year. i hope that all of you get time to spend with your families as well because one thing that we share is that we're away too much from them. and now, josh has given me the who's been naughty and who's been nice list and i'm going to take some questions. >> reporter: thank you, mr. president. starting with north korea since
that seems to be the biggest topic today, what does a proportional response look like to the sony hack? and did sony make the right decision in pulling the movie or does that set a dangerous precedent? >> let me address the second question first. sony is a corporation. it suffered significant damage. there were threats against its employees. i'm sympathetic to the concerns that they faced. having said all that, yes, i think they made a mistake. in this interconnected digital world, there are going to be opportunities for hackers to engage in cyberassaults both in the private sector and the
public sector. now, our first order of business is making sure that we do everything to harden sites and prevent those kind of attacks from taking place. when i came into office, i set up a cybersecurity interagency team to look at everything that we could do at the government level to prevent these kind of attacks. we've been coordinating with the private sector but a lot more needs to be done. we're not even close to where we need to be. and one of the things in the new year that i hope congress is prepared to work with us on is strong cybersecurity laws that allow for information sharing across private sector platforms as well as the public sector so that we are incorporating best practices and preventing these attacks from happening in the first place. but even as we get better, the hackers are going to get better
too. some of them are going to be state actors. some are going to be non-state actors. all of them are going to be sophisticated and many of them can do some damage. we cannot have a society in which some dictator some place can start imposing censorship here in the united states. because if somebody is able to intimidate folks out of releasing a movie, imagine what they start doing when they see a documentary that they don't like or news reports that they don't like. or even worse, imagine if producers and distributors and others start engaging in self-censorship because they don't want to offend the
sensibilities of somebody's sensibilities who probably need to be offended. so that's not who we are. that's not what america is about. again, i'm sympathetic that sony as a private company was worried about liabilities and this and that and the other. i wish they had spoken to me first. i would have told them do not get into a pattern in which you're intimidated by these kind of criminal attacks. imagine if instead of it being a cyberthreat, somebody had broken into their offices and destroyed a bunch of computers and stolen
disks. is that what it takes for you to suddenly pull the plug on something? so we'll engage with not just the film industry but the news industry and the private sector around these issues. we already have. we'll continue to do so. i think all of us have to anticipate occasionally there are going to be breaches like this. they're going to be costly. they're going to be serious. we take them with the utmost seriousness but we can't start changing our patterns of behavior anymore than we stop going to a football game because there might be the possibility of a terrorist attack. anymore than boston didn't run its marathon this year because of the possibility that somebody might try to cause harm. let's not get into that way of
doing business. >> reporter: would you consider taking some sort of symbolic step like watching the movie yourself? >> i have a long list of movies i'm going to be watching. >> reporter: will this be one of them? >> i never release my full movie list. let's talk of the specifics of what we now know. the fbi announced today and we can confirm that north korea engaged in this attack. it says something interest about north korea that they decided to have the state mount an all-out assault on a movie studio because of a movie starring seth rogen and james flacco. i love seth.
i love james. but the notion that that was a threat to them i think gives you some sense of the kind of regime we're talking about here. they caused a lot of damage, and we will respond. we will respond proportionately and we'll respond in a place and time and manner that we choose. it's not something that i will announce here today at a press conference. more broadly, this points to the need for us to work with the international community to start setting up some very clear rules of the road in terms of how the internet and cyber operates. right now it's sort of the wild west and part of the problem is you have weak states that can engage in these kind of attacks. you have nonstate actors that
can do enormous damage. that's part of what makes this issue of cybersecurity so urgent. again, this is part of the reason why it's going to be so important for congress to work with us and get an actual bill passed that allows for the kind of information sharing we need because if we don't put in place the kind of architecture that can prevent these attacks from taking place, this is not just going to be affecting movies. this is going to be affecting our entire economy in ways that are extraordinarily significant. by the way, i hear you're moving to europe. where are you going to be? >> brussels. helping politico start a new publication. >> congratulations. i think there's no doubt that what belgium needs is a version of politico.
[ laughter ] the waffles are delicious by the way. sheryl, you have been naughty. go ahead. >> reporter: thank you, mr. president. looking ahead to your work with congress next year, you mentioned as an area of possible compromise tax reform and so i'm wondering, do you see a republican congress as presenting a better opportunity for actually getting tax reform next year? will you be putting out a new proposal? are you willing to consider both individual and corporate side of the tax ledger there. also, are you still concerned about corporate inversions? >> i think an all democratic congress would have provided an even better opportunity for tax reform, but i think talking to
speaker boehner and leader mcconnell, that they are serious about wanting to get some things done. the tax area is one area where we can get things done. and i think in the coming weeks leading up to the state of the union, there will be some conversations at the staff levels about what principles each side are looking at. i can tell you broadly what i would like to see. i would like to see more simplicity in the system. i would like to see more fairness in the system. with respect to the corporate tax reform issue, we know that there are companies that are paying the full freight, 35%, higher than just about any other company on earth if you are paying 35%. and then there are other companies that are paying zero because they've got better accounts or lawyers. that's not fair. there are companies parking money outside the country
because of tax avoidance. we think it's important that everybody pays something if in fact they are effectively headquartered in the united states. in terms of corporate inversion, those are situations where companies are headquartered here but on paper switched their headquarters to see if they can avoid paying their fair share of taxes. i think that needs to be fixed. so fairness, everybody paying their fair share, everybody taking responsibility. i think it's going to be very important. some of those principles i heard republicans say they share. how we do that, the devil is in the details. i'll be interested in seeing what they want to move forward. i'm going to make sure that we put forward specific proposals building on what we already put
forward. one other element of this that's important is -- i've been on this hobby horse now for six years. we've got a lot of infrastructure we've got to rebuild in this country if we're going to be competitive. roads, bridges, ports, airports. electrical grids. water systems. sewage systems. we are way behind. and early on we indicated that there is a way of us potentially doing corporate tax reform, lowering rates, eliminating loopholes so everybody is paying their fair share and during that transition also providing a mechanism where we can get some infrastructure built. i would like to see us work on that issue as well historically obviously infrastructure has not been a democratic or republican issue, and i would like to see if i can return to that
tradition. julie pace? >> reporter: thank you, mr. president. i wanted to ask about cuba. what would you say to dissidents or democracy advocates inside cuba who say policy changes could give castro regime benefits without addressing the human rights or political system. when you lifted sanctions on miramar, you sought reform. if i could follow up on north korea, do you have any indication that north korea was working in conjunction with another country, perhaps china? >> we have no indication that north korea was working in conjunction with another country. with respect to cuba, we are glad that the cuban government has released slightly over 50 dissidents, that they're going to be allowing the international community red cross and united nations human rights agencies to operate more freely inside of cuba and monitor what is taking
place. i share the concerns of dissidents there and human rights activists that this is still a regime that represses it people. as i said when i make the announcement, i don't anticipate overnight changes. what i know deep in my bones is that you have done the same thing for 50 years and nothing has changed, you should try something different if you want a different outcome. and this gives us an opportunity for a different outcome. suddenly cuba is open to the world in ways it has not been opened before. it's open to americans traveling there in ways that it hasn't been before. it's open to church groups visiting their fellow believers
inside of cuba in ways they haven't been before. it offers the prospects of telecommunications and the internet being more widely available in cuba in ways that it hasn't been before. and over time, that chips away at this society. i believe offers the best prospect then of leading to greater freedom, greater self-determination on the part of the cuban people. i think it will happen in fits and starts. but through endpajment, we have a better chance of bringing about change than we would have otherwise. >> do you have a goal of where you see cuba being at the end of your presidency? >> it would be unrealistic for me to map out exactly where cuba will be. but change is going to come to
cuba. it has to. they've got an economy that doesn't work. they've been reliant for years on subsidies from the soviet union and then on subsidies from venezuela. those can't be sustained. and the more the cuban people see what's possible, the more interested they are going to be in change. it's country specific and culturally specific. it could happen fast. it could happen slower than i would like. it's going to happen and this change in policy is going to advance that. leslie clark? >> reporter: i have a number of questions as well. >> do i have to write all these down? how many are they? >> reporter: as quick as i can. i want to see if you have any assurances from the cuban government that it would not
revert to the same sort of sabotage as it has in the past when president presidents have made similar overtures to the government. >> be specifically. what do you mean? >> reporter: when the clinton administration made overture, they shot down planes and have this pattern of doing provocative -- >> just general provocative activity. >> reporter: any time the u.s. reached out a hand to them and what's your knowledge of whether fidel castro had any role in the talks and when you spoke to raul castro, did fidel castro's name come up, have you asked about him? how is he doing? people haven't seen him in a while. and given deep opposition from republicans in congress to lifting the embargo to embassy to any changes that you're doing, are you going to personally get involved in terms of talking to them about efforts
they want to do to block money on a new embassy? >> leslie, i think i'm going to cut you off here. this is taking up a lot of time. all right. so with respect to sabotage, my understanding of the history of the plane being shot down, it's not clear that was the cuban government purposely trying to undermine overtures by the clinton administration. it was a tragic circumstance that ended up collapsing talks that had begun to take place. i haven't seen an historical record that suggests they shot the plane down specifically in order to undermine overtures by the clinton government. i think it is not precedented for the president of the united
states and president of cuba to make an announcement at the same time that they are moving toward normalizing relations. there hasn't been anything like this in the past. that doesn't mean that over the next two years we can't anticipate them taking certain actions that we may end up finding deeply troubling. either inside of cuba or with respect to their foreign policy. and that could put significant strains on the relationship. but that's true of a lot of countries out there where we have an embassy and the whole part of normalizing relations is that it gives us a greater opportunity to have influence with that government and not. so i would be surprised if the
cuban government purposely tries to undermine what is now effectively its own policy. i wouldn't be surprised if they take at any given time actions that we think are a problem, and we will be in a position to respond to whatever actions they take the same way we do with a whole range of countries around the world when we do things they think are wrong but the point is that we'll be in a better position to actually have some influence. they may be carrots and sticks that we can then apply. the only way that fidel's name came up, i think i may have mentioned this in the interview i did, i delivered a fairly lengthy statement at the front end about how we're looking
forward to a new future in the relationship between our two countries but that we are going to continue to press on issues of democracy and human rights which we think are important. and my opening remarks took about 15 minutes, which on the phone is a pretty long time. at the end of that, he said, mr. president, you're still a young man. perhaps you have the -- at the end of my remarks i apologized for taking such a long time, but i wanted to be sure before we engaged in the conversation that he was very clear about where i stood. he said don't worry about it, mr. president. you're still a young man and you still have a chance to break fidel's record. he once spoke seven hours straight. and then president castro proceeded to deliver his own
preliminary remarks that lasted at least twice as long as mine. and then i was able to say obviously it runs in the family. that was the only discussion of fidel castro that we had. i sort of forgot all of the others. >> reporter: i have a few more. how personally involved are you going to get -- >> with respect to congress, we cannot unilaterally bring down the embargo. that's codified in the act. what i do think is going to happen, there's going to be a process where congress digests it. they're bipartisan supporters of our new approach. they are bipartisan detractors of this new approach. people will see how the actions we take unfold i think there will be a healthy debate inside
of congress. i will weigh in. i think ultimately we need to go ahead and pull down the embargo which has been self-defeating in advancing the aims that we're interested in. i don't anticipate that happens right away. people will want to see how does this move forward before there's any serious debate about whether or not we would make major shifts in the embargo. all right. >> reporter: under what conditions would you meet with president castro in havana? would you have preconditions you would want to see and on the hack, i know you said you're not going to announce your response but can you say whether you are considering additional economic sanctions on north korea? can you rule out the use of military force or some kind of cyberhit of your own?
>> i think i'm going to leave it where i left it, which is we just confirmed it was north korea. we have been working a range of options. they've been presented to me. i'll make a decision on those based on what i feel is proportional and appropriate to the nature of this crime. with respect to cuba, we're not at a stage here where me visiting cuba or president castro coming to the united states is in the cards. i don't know how this relationship will develop over the next several years. i'm a fairly young man. i imagine at some point in my life i'll have an opportunity to visit cuba and enjoy interacting with the cuban people.
there's nothing specific where we're trying to target some sort of visit on my part. colleen mccain nelson? >> reporter: you spoke earlier about 2014 being a breakthrough year and you ended a year with executive actions on cuba and immigration and climate change. you didn't make much progress this year on your legislative agenda and some republican lawmakers have said they are less inclined to work with you if you pursue executive action so aggressively. are you going to continue to pursue executive actions if that creates more road blocks for your legislative agenda or have you concluded it's not possible to break the fever in washington and the partisan gridlock here. >> i think there are real opportunities to get things done in congress. as i said before, i take speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell at their words that they want to get things done. i think the american people would like to see us get some
things done. the question is going to be are we able to separate out those areas where we disagree and those areas where we agree. there are tough fights on areas where we disagree. if republicans seek to take healthcare away from people who just got it, they will meet stiff resistance from me. if they try to water down consumer protections that we put in place in the aftermath of the financial crisis, i will say no, and i'm confident i'll be able to uphold vetoes of those types of it provisions. on increasing american exports and simplifying our tax system and rebuilding our infrastructure, my hope is that we can get some things done. i've never been persuaded by
this argument that if it weren't for the executive actions, they would have been more productive. there's no evidence of that. so i intend to continue to do what i've been doing, which is where i see a big problem and the opportunity to help the american people, and it is within my lawful authority to provide that help, i'm going to do it. and i will then side by side reach out to members of congress and reach out to republicans and say let's work together. i rather do it wou. immigration is the classic example. i was really happy when the senate passed a bipartisan comprehensive immigration bill, and i did everything i could for a year and a half to provide republicans the space to act and showed not only great patience but flexibility saying to them,
look, if there are specific changes you would like to see, we're willing to compromise. we're willing to be patient. we're willing to work with you. ultimately it wasn't forthcoming. so the question is going to be, i think, if executive actions on areas like minimum wage or equal pay or having a more sensible immigration system are important to republicans and they care about those issues and the executive actions are bothering them, there's a very simple solution and that's pass bills and work with me to make sure i'm willing to sign those bills. because both sides are going to have to compromise. on most issues in order for their initiatives to become law, i'm going to have to signoff and that means they have to take into account the issues that i
care about just as i'm going have to take into account the issues that they care about. all right. i think this is going to be our last question. >> reporter: thanks so much. one of the first bills that mitch mcconnell said he'll send to you is one that would authorize construction of the keystone excel pipeline. i wonder if you could tell us what you would do when you receive that bill and also what you see as benefits and given the drop in oil prices recently, does that change the calculus and whether it makes sense to go ahead with that project? >> i don't think i've minimized the benefits. i think i've described the benefits. at issue in keystone is not
american oil it is canadian oil that is drawn out of tar sands in canada. that oil current ly is being shipped out through rail or trucks and it would save canadian oil companies and the canadian oil industry an enormous amount of money if they could simply pipe it all of the way through the united states down to the gulf. once that oil gets to the gulf, it is then entering into the world market and it would be sold all around the world so there's no -- i won't say no. there's very little impact,
nominal impact on u.s. gas prices, what the average american consumer cares about, by having this pipeline come through. sometimes the way this gets sold is let's get this oil and it's going to come here and the implication is that it's going to lower gas prices here in the united states. it's not. there's a global oil market. it's very good for canadian oil companies, and it's good for the canadian oil industry, but it's not going to be a huge benefit to u.s. consumers. it's not even going to be a nominal benefit to u.s. consumers. now, the construction of the pipeline itself will create probably a couple thousand jobs. those are temporary jobs until the construction actually hams. there's probably some additional jobs that can be created in the
refining process down in the gulf. those aren't completely insignificant. it's just like any other project. when you consider what we could be doing if we were rebuilding roads and bridges around the country, something that congress could authorize, we could probably create hundreds of thousands of jobs or a million jobs. if that's the argument, there are a lot more direct ways to create well paying american construction jobs. and then with respect to the costs, all i've said is i want to make sure that if in fact this project goes forward, that it's not adding to the problem of climate change, which i think is very serious and does impose serious costs on the american people. some of them long-term but
significant costs nonetheless if we have more flooding, more wildfires, more drought, direct economic impacts on that and as we're rebuilding after sandy for example, we're having to consider how do we increase preparedness in how we structure infrastructure and housing and so forth along the jersey shore. that's an example of the kind of costs that are imposed and you can put a dollar figure on them. in terms of process, you have a nebraska judge determining whether or not the new path for this pipeline is appropriate. once that is resolved, the state department will have all of the information it needs to make its decision. i've just tried to give this perspective because i think that there's been this tendency to
hype this thing as some magic formula to what ails the u.s. economy and it's hard to see on paper where exactly they're getting that information from. in terms of oil prices and how it impacts the decision, i think that it won't have a significant impact except perhaps in the minds of folks when gas prices were lower maybe and less susceptible to the argument that this is the answer to lowering gas prices. it was never going to be the answer to lowering gas prices because the oil that would be piped through the keystone pipeline would go into the world market and that's what determines oil prices. >> in terms of congress forcing their hand on this, is this something where you say you're not going to let congress force your hand on whether to approve or disapprove this bill. >> we'll see what they do. we'll take that up in the new year. >> reporter: any new year's
resolutions? >> april, go ahead. go ahead. >> reporter: thank you, mr. president. last question i guess. six years ago this month, i asked you what was the state of black america in the oval office and you said it was the best of times and the worst of times. you said it was the best of times in the sense that there has never been more opportunity for african-americans who have received a good education and the worst of times for unemployment and the lack of opportunity. ending 2014, what is the state of black america as we talk about those issues and race relations in this country? >> like the rest of america, black america in the the aggreg is better than when i came into office. the housing equity that's been
recovered. 401 pensions that have been recovered. a lot of folks are african-american. they are better off than they were. the gap between income and wealth of white and black america persists. we have more work to do on that front. this is a legacy of a troubled racial past. it's not an excuse for black folks. they are out there trying to get an education sending their kids to college but they are starting behind often times in the race. and what's true for all americans is we should be willing to provide people a hand up and not a handout.
help folks get that good early childhood education. help them graduate from high school. help them afford college. if they do, they'll be able to succeed and that's good for all of us. we've seen some progress. the education reforms that we've initiated are showing measurable results. we have the highest high school graduation that we've seen in a very long time. we are seeing record numbers of young people attending college. in many states that initiated reforms you see progress in math scores and reading scores for african-american and latino students as well as the broader population. but we've still got more work to go. now, obviously how we're thinking about race relations right now has been colored by ferguson, the garner case in new
york, a growing awareness in the broader population of what many communities of color have understood for some time and that is there are specific instances at least where law enforcement doesn't feel as if it's being applied in a color blind fashion. the task force that i formed was supposed to report back to me in 90 days not with a bunch of abstract musings about race relations but concrete practical things that police departments and law enforcement agencies can begin implementing right now to rebuild trust between communities of color and the
police department. and my intention is to as soon as i get those recommendations, to start implementing. some of them we'll do through executive action. some will require congressional action. some will require action on the part of states and local jurisdictions. but i actually think it's been a healthy conversation that we've had. these are not new phenomenon. the fact that they are now surfacing in part because people are able to film what have just been in the past stories passed on along a kitchen table allows people to make their own assessments and evaluations and you're not going to solve the problem if it's not being talked about. in the meantime, we have been moving forward on criminal justice reform issues more broadly. one of the things i didn't talk about in my opening statement is the fact that last year was the first time in 40 years where we had the federal prison population go down and the crime
rate go down at the same time, which indicates the degree to which it's possible to think smarter about who we're incarcerating and how long we're incarcerating and now are we dealing with nonviolent offenders and how are we dealing with drug offenses, diversion programs, drug courts. we can do a better job and save money in the process by initiating some of these reforms and i've been pleased to see that we've had republicans and democrats in congress who are interested in these issues as well. the one thing i will say, and this is going to be the last thing i say, is that -- one of the great things about this job is you get to know the american people. you meet folks from every walk of life and every region of the country and every race and every
faith and what i don't think is always captured in our political debates is the vast majority of people are just trying to do the right thing. and people are basically good and have good intentions. sometimes our institutions and our systems don't work as well as they should. sometimes you've got a police department that has gotten into bad habits over a period of time and hasn't maybe surfaced hidden biases that we all carry around. if you offer practical solutions, people want to fix these problems. it's not a situation where people feel good seeing somebody choked and dying. i think that troubles everybody.
so there's an opportunity of all of us to come together and to take a practical approach to these problems. and i guess that's my general theme for the end of the year, which is we've gone through difficult times. it is your job, press corps, to report on all of the mistakes that are made and all of the bad things that happen and the crises that look like they are popping and i understand that. but through persistent effort and faith in the american people, things get better. the economy has gotten better. our ability to generate clean energy has gotten better. we know more about how to educate our kids.
we solve problems. ebola is a real crisis. you get a mistake in the first case because it's not something that's been seen before. we fix it. you have some unaccompanied children who spike at a border and it may not get fixed in the time frame of the news cycle, but it gets fixed. and part of what i hope as we reflect on the new year, this should generate some confidence. america knows how to solve problems. and when we work together, we can't be stopped. and now i'm going to go on vacation. thank you, everybody.
>> the president of the united states at a news conference a year-end news conference. he's off to hawaii tonight with his family for a little r&r. a little vacation. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer reporting from washington. the big headline, the president of the united states saying sony pictures made a mistake in canceling the release of the film "the interview." a film about north korea, the north korean leader kim jong-un. i want to play the clip. here is the sound bite from the president saying sony pictures made a mistake. >> sony is a corporation. it suffered significant damage. there were threats against its employees. i am sympathetic to the concerns that they faced. having said all that, yes, i think they made a mistake. we cannot have a society in
which some dictator some place can start imposing censorship here in the united states because if somebody is able to intimidate folks out of releasing a movie, imagine what they start doing when they see a documentary that they don't like or news reports that they don't like. or even worse, imagine if producers and distributors and others start engaging in self-censorship because they don't want to offend the sensibilities of somebody whose sensibilities probably need to be offended. >> the president also saying he wishes sony pictures had discussed the issue with them before they decided to pull the
release of this film. he also said north korea was responsible echoing what the fbi said earlier in the day that north korea deliberately did this. he promised the u.s. would respond but he refused to say how the u.s. will respond. he said only it would be proportionate and the u.s. will respond in his words "when we choose to do so." he's not going to release that information in advance. jake tapper, strong words from the president. he surprised a lot of us by going as far as he did. >> i thought he would be more cautious and talk about how he knew where sony was coming from as a business. he gave a sweeping statement about free speech and not giving in to threats from people like kim jong-un especially when it came to a comedy film and then he started talking about the precedent it set. what happens if they don't like
documentaries? what happens if they don't like news? where does it go from there? it was very strong pro-free speech statement from the president and you're right. i'm very surprised. >> evan perez, you have new information. you're learning right now, you're our justice reporter, about the fbi and how they came up with this decision that it was in fact north korea no doubt about that. >> reporter: there was no doubt, wolf. i have to tell you one thing real quick. what the president just said echoes what i'm hearing from u.s. law enforcement intelligence officials. they are outraged. they understand sony did what they did but they are outraged that a dictator won censoring the american movie industry as a result of this hack, wolf. the fbi pretty quickly thought they knew where this hack was coming from and they said that they -- they say that there was some telltale signs despite that north korean hackers did a very
good job to try to mask where this was coming from. they tried to route the attacks through several countries in asia and europe and even latin america. in the end, what the fbi found was telltale signs and lines of code, encryption cal algorithmst show where it came from matching an earlier attack from last year that was carried out against south korean banks and media companies and so this is one way they were able to very quickly -- this is unprecedented for them to make a determination so quickly and go public with this. >> the president also said that there is no indication any other countries were working together with north korea. he said he has seen nothing along those lines. this was a north korean operation. gloria borger, you know, the president almost seemed
liberated, if you will, to go out and speak cannopenly about many issues. >> he didn't want to engage. he said when we respond it will be proportional at a time and place of our choosing. i won't raise their profile anymore than it already has been raised over a comedy satire. i can't remember the last time i saw the president so cheerful other than when we won re-election actually. he went out of his way to say i'm energized and excited and this is the fourth quarter and great things will happen in the fourth quarter. a lot of interesting stuff happens in the fourth quarter, which it often does. he was clearly sending a message to the american people as we've been talking about before he had his press conference.
they may call me a lame duck, but i'm going to keep quacking here. this is not over by any stretch. i think he is boyd by what happened over the last several years. >> what will the united states do to retaliate against north korea? >> no question the president is setting out an unyielding position. we'll decide how to respond and it will be on our own time and had a dismissive comment for the north korean leader. it tells but the -- tells you about the regime if they are upset over this movie. he had a message to the american people saying we as a country have to respond to this dismiss it, go on, go to the movie theaters, et cetera. despite that, north korea because of this hack rocketed to the top of the national discussion even in a year 2014 when we have all of these other
grave international challenges. he only had brief mentions of ukraine and russia. ebola. the fight against isis. we've got two ground wars in asia still going on. afghanistan and iraq big commitments of u.s. troops there. not a single question about those issues. and consider all of the stories and discussion we were doing on that earlier this year. >> he only took seven or eight questions. >> all from print reporters. >> really typical style, he gave lengthy answers. >> he tends to do that. something else that's interesting that i suspect a lot of republicans in congress are paying attention to is the fact that he basically issued veto threats. he said if republicans in congress bring me bills that weaken wall street reform legislation, he'll veto it. he also -- while not saying he was going to veto the keystone
pipeline legislation that republicans in the senate said would be the first order of business, he made the case for vetoing it saying it will have only a nominal effect on u.s. gas prices. this will benefit canadian oil companies but not really have an effect on the united states. he didn't say i'll veto it but he laid out the case for doing so. >> let me bring in jay carney. jay, did you get the same sense that he's laying out the case to veto that keystone pipeline legislation because republicans clearly want to put it on the table very, very quickly in the new session. >> woflf, i know he's ambivalen about it. in many ways both sides of this argument have turned it into a much bigger issue than it factually is. keystone if it's built will not create the number of jobs that proponents claim it will. nor will rejecting it save the global environment the way some
environmentalists claim it will because tar sands will be exploited regardless if the pipeline is built. i think he's been of two minds of this and it's hard to predict where he will go. it's true that some of the senators, democratic senators, who would have been most vulnerable if he vetoed it will no longer be in the senate so that may give him more political leverage. i tell you, i think gloria said earlier talking about how upbeat he was and buoyant he was. i was there as press secretary for three end of the year press conferences and this one was quite different. what was going on at the end of the year. no fiscal crisis. no international crisis. at least not yet knock on wood. he does clearly feel in the wake of the midterm election that he's been able to demonstrate that he's relevant and that he can execute and get things done and he feels good about it. >> let's get some reaction from a different perspective. cliff may is joining us,
president of the foundation for defense of democracy. on north korea specifically, cliff, what did you think of what he said? >> i was glad that he said that a dictator shouldn't be imposing censorship on the united states or on the free world. i don't think it's sony's battle to fight primarily. i think it's our battle. he said that there will be a response. less so he assured north korea that it would be proportionate and that it would not be beyond that because there needs to be some deterrent. cyberwarfare is a dangerous thing. in this case it was used to shut down a movie and there were terrorist threats and cyberwarfare could shut down our entire society. we're not where we should be on cyberwarfare and there has to be a very strong response to such an attempt. this was on a company in the u.s. but it's really an attack on american freedom. in the past, we in the u.s. and in the west have not responded effectively to attempts to
shutdown free expression. imagine if there had been nuclear weapons. his successor may have nuclear weapons and that was a subject not at all discussed and i think it's the most important national security threat we face today. >> let me get bobby into this conversation. another big issue that came up, cuba. the president pleased with what's going on in this improved u.s./cuban relationship although he played down this notion he was about to fly off to havana any time soon. >> he seemed to suggest it was much more likely he would return to being a private citizen than during his presidency, which is probably wise. it would be pretty bad optics for the president to go to cuba or have raul castro over to the white house. raul castro is not welcome to
the grand halls of the world and major war leaders don't go to havana because everyone recognizes he is as the president said, a dictator. repressive regime. makes sense to get rid of an embargo that doesn't work. it was very interesting. the president started by invoking the cuban people rather than the cuban government. i think that was the key point. it's not the regime. it's people to people relations. he's hoping that just by allowing that to happen, the u.s. will have greater leverage, greater say in cuba's activities in the future. that's bank shot. it's better than no shot. >> that's a good point. if he goes to cuba, he would like to engage with the cuban people. doug brinkley, how did he do in this end of year news conference? >> who would have thought on midterm election day, he would sell this was a great year 2014 in america and it was a great
year for him and it's all about the economy. you can almost feel how optimistic the president is in. he feels the country is moving in the right direction. dwight eisenhower with the great missile gap crisis in 1957 ended up creating nasa. i think this situation with north korea although newt gingrich calls it a war, it may be a cyberbattle with north korea, he may need to create cybersecurity agency or something. i think he would get bipartisan support. not that people want to see more government on the right, but we have to address this. i think something important and significant that we'll have to watch. i'm writing on fdr. i'm writing about public works projects. this is a president that is not green lighting keystone. i don't know how other ways you could tell him. you don't talk down your product
and say, okay, i'm going to do it. >> let's get a thought from dana bash. i'm sure members of congress, democrats and republicans watching very closely. how is what the president said today likely to play with them? >> first of all, he's somebody who a lot of members of congress are looking at saying who is this guy and where has he been for the last six years? he's somebody as everyone mentioned in various ways who feels free to say what he wants and do what he wants. on what doug was just talking about, we should note that's the very first legislative battle in january in just a couple weeks. the new senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said he'll do it right out of the gate. if the president is going to use his veto pen and leaning into do that, it will probably be the first thing that we'll see. the other thing i just think that's worth noting, it may seem to our viewers to be naval gazing from reporters, he not only talk to print reporters, he
only asked women for questions. he only called on female reporters. that's very telling for a white house that has gotten a lot of flak, maybe as they should have, for the women inside the white house not rising to the top and not having a seat at the table. the fact that he ended this year only calling on female reporters was no accident. >> let me ask jay carney, former white house press secretary, our cnn political commentator now, was that just coincidental or deliberate? what do you think? >> i'm sure it was deliberate. i'm sure it was discussed beforehand among the president's advisers. i think it was an excellent decision to make. there are a lot of superb female reporters that cover the white house every day. i think it was a fun way and smart way to end the year by calling on only female reporters. as a former print journalist even though i'm on tv now, i like to see print journalist get
could afford to ease up a little bit, right? and they might have done that if the fund-raiser were just for them but they're not just running clinton for president and kaine for vice president. they don't want to just win the white house. they want democrats to win governorships and control of congress or to get as close as they can. they obviously want democrats to get control of the senate. for the clinton/kaine campaign, it is pedal to the metal from now till the end. 41 fund-raisers from now until november 3rd. he had five today alone. he squeezed me in between them. that's on the democratic side. on the republican side, it's nothing like that at all. mateo gold at "the washington post" reports tonight that the comparable fund-raiser effort on the republican side is already over. in fact, it ended last wednesday. "the washington post" reports
tonight that donald trump did his last big dollar joint fund-raiser for his campaign in the republican national committee last wednesday and he's not going to do any more. there are no further events planned. quote, we have kind of wound down. from here on out, quote, there is virtually nothing planned. it's hard for me to overstate how strange that is two weeks ahead of the election. the republican nominee is on track to lose the presidential election largely because of the magnitude of his expected loss, republicans are also on track to lose control of the united states senate. election forecasts right now for the senate project a 2-1 chance that democrats will take control of that body. but the reaction of the republican nominee, the reaction of the whole republican presidential campaign is basically to sign off two weeks out. here's tim kaine doing five fund-raisers today. republican presidential nominee
donald trump stopped doing fund-raisers for the political party on wednesday. hess saying to the party i'm losing this part of the race, you look like you're losing your part, too. you're on your own. lots oluck. this is a remarkable tactical decision. is this a decision or did they just peter out? the trump campaign at this point is like a stage actor who shows is up for the curtain call. just shows up for the applause and wants to be told he did a good job, but he didn't actually participate in the performance let alone do all the preparation work that goes into doing a good job at that performance. what's that campaign now? their candidate is going to places where he gets applause, he definitely still does rallies and stuff. he appears to enjoy that. but what are the rallies for at this point? remarkable piece of reporting from the top political reporter at the arizona republic tonight who is describing what's going on in the key state of arizona.
he says the clinton/kaine campaign has 32 fully operational political offices in arizona, 161 staffers working full time to win arizona for clinton and the democrats. what's that competing with on the republican side? donald trump doing rallies. but what are those rallies for other than giving donald trump the experience of people voting for him according to david nowicki, the trump campaign has been passing around sign up tallies. but they don't bother to collect the sheets. they leave them there, nobody picks them up, let alone do anything with them. next door in nevada which is to be a swing state although it's turning increasingly blue.
10,000 bumper stickers, and i don't even get a call back. >> that's a swing county in a swing state. republican party chairman there saying two weeks out from the election he had the phone number memorized. we bleeped it there so you don't all call it. but he's got the phone number memorized. he calls the trump campaign every day begging for yard signs and bumper stickers and didn't even get a callback. what are they doing that's more important than trying to compete in swing counties in swing states with county chairman that need specific help? what's the trump campaign coulding if they're not doing that? what is the trump campaign, is it just a traveling road show for donald trump to appear at events in front of crows that like him because that makes him feel good. whatever the trump campaign is now and whatever they're planning on doing for the last two weeks, it is unusual. "the washington post" again
reported tonight that trump campaign has effectively cut off the republican party and stopped even trying to help other down-ballot republicans save themselves. and politico.com was the first to report tonight that the republican party in response is hitting the panic button. the panic button is apparently labeled dark money and they punched it big time tonight. according to politico.com this evening mitch mcconnell's senate super pac in conjunction with karl rove -- remember him -- mitch mcconnell and karl rove have somehow instantly conjured out of the dark money wilderness a whopping pile of $25 million million which they just announced tonight they'll start shoveling into six contested senate races. they're announcing that tonight. the fastest they can start spending that money is tomorrow. that means they've got $25 million to spend on senate races over 13 days.
if they also spend on election day itself. that is a phenomenal last-minute money dump. and who knows where that money came from? incredibly while they've decided to do that through the mitch mcconnell super pac, the nominee decided he'll coast to the finish. no more republican party fund-raisers, helping nobody, where can i go to find somebody to tell me that they love me. he does remain on the top of the ticket. he continues to be the republican party's problem and he continues to be the presidential nominee of a major political party. as such he continues to be subject to scrutiny, subject to the kind of full body mri, the kind of full body background check that the national media does on everybody who runs for president. and we have something new to
report tonight. the ongoing reporting on donald trump's background tonight has turned up something new and something dramatic and something very, very, very inflammatory that we have got here exclusively next.
available. one crucial part of the investigation in that case was an equally qualified white new yorkers would show up at the trump company and they would inquire about those same apartments, magically, the suit alleged the apartment would be back on the market and available for the white applicant even though the black applicant had just been told that that apartment was gone. that doj lawsuit against the trump company was ultimately settled when the trump company signed on the a consent decree where they would desegregate their properties, start renting to black people. that's one of the allegations against the trump corporation for racial discrimination, over the course of this presidential campaign it has become a hot point of contention. hillary clinton raised it in
first presidential debate. trump said that the consent agreement reflected no admission of wrongdoing, then after he used that as a rebuttal, newspapers and news outlets have looked into those allegations to the way that suit was settled to the other suits that were brought against trump real estate properties. today alone the las vegas sun published an account from a woman who now lives in nevada who says she was one of the white people who was sent in as a tester at trump properties after a black applicant would allegedly be told that an apartment was not available, she'd show up as a white applicant with basically the same qualifications and she'd be offered the apartment. that story today in the las vegas sun. the woman recounting her own experience in being involved in the lawsuits. mother jones had another story tonight on additional discrimination lawsuits brought against the trump organization not in the 1970s, but in the 1980s.
i can now tell you that nbc news has been working on a report on the way the trump company allegedly discriminated against black people in rental housing. in the course of the investigation they've turned up what we have exclusively tonight, a troubling eyewitness account from a man who worked as a rental agent at a trump property. he says it was basically his job to do the discriminating. he says he was instructed directly to slow walk or outright reject potential tenants if they were black because they were black. but listen to this. listen to what he told nbc news when he was asked exactly how that instruction came to him and who was in the room while it happened. >> just take me back into that room. so you were sitting in the room and he was there. describe the scene to me. >> a black lady completed an application for an apartment in the building, a one-bedroom apartment, as i recall.
and it was a very professionally application, it was checked and verified, there were no liens, no judgments against her. and she was calling me on a daily basis wanting to know the status of her application. one day mr. trump and his son donald came into the office, and i asked fred trump what i should do with this application because she's calling me constantly. and his response to me was you know i don't rent to the n-word. put the application in the deck and forget about it. >> so fred trump used the n-word antold you we don't rent to people like that. >> that is correct, yes. >> what was your response? >> i was employed by them. i did what he said. >> so this is the raw tape of an
nbc producer in that diner right, noisy diner, interviewing this rental agent who worked at a trump property and in the course of explaining basically how he says racial discrimination worked at the trump organization back in the day when they were deciding who to rent to, he just mentions that young donald trump was standing there alongside his father when he says, the father instructed this rental agent not to rent to anybody who was black and he says, when donald trump's father explained that his policy was not to rent to anybody who was black, what he actually used was the n-word to explain that policy while donald trump stood right next to him. obviously, given that donald trump is now running for president, that's a very
inflammatory allegation. the producer goes back to the rental agent to clarify that this is exactly what he's talking about. do we mean you to say that donald trump, the man running for president, was there when that happened, when that language was used? >> he said put it in the drawer, forget about it. you know i do not rent to the n-word people. and that's what i did. >> and donald trump was right there? >> donald trump was right alongside his father when i was instructed to do that, yes. >> so this is obviously a very explosive allegation about donald trump and his time working with his father at the trump organization in the 1960s when he would have been a very young man, also in the 1970s. just to be 100%, 1,000% totally clear, the producer goes back to the rental agent, asked him again, are you sure that donald trump witnessed his father explain this was discriminatory policy, would not rent to black people but used the n-word to explain that. are you sure.
>> when his father told you not to rent apartments to people of color, what was donald's response? >> and he shook his head, that's the way it's supposed to be. agreeing with his father. >> again, this is exclusive content. this has never been broadcast before. this is material obtained by nbc news just over the course of reporting this story within the last few weeks. what this rental agent says is a very specific, explosive allegation against donald trump personally, in terms of what he witnessed and went along with and signaled his ascent to as a young man working in his father's organization. now, the trump campaign has responded to that specific allegations tonight. they gave us this response on the record. quote, that is total nonsense. that's their formal response
from the campaign to these allegations. but i want to show you also -- so you understand where that reporting came from, here is how nbc news is contextualizing this allegation. here's how they're folding it into their overall story about discrimination by the trump organization at the very start of donald trump's real estate career. >> it was 1963 in new york city and maxine brown was looking for a place to live in queens. she applied for an apartment owned by donald trump's father. >> they asked what kind of job i had and they were surprised to hear i was a nurse. >> but she wasn't welcome. >> i was turned because because of my color. >> stanley leibovitz was the agent that took maxine's application. >> fred trump came into my office with his son donald at his side. i asked him what should i do
with the application of miss brown. he told me take the application and put it in the desk drawer as he does not rent to people of color utilizing the n-word and donald trump shook his head agreeing with his father. >> by 1967 state investigators found that out of some 3700 apartments in trump village only seven were occupied by african-american families. by 1973 donald trump was the president of trump management. and she was a teacher looking for a place to live. she went to a difficult trump building also in betweens. >> i was black. i don't think it looked good in their estimation to have black people living in their facility. >> she says there is no doubt in her mind that donald trump continued the practices of his
father. dependent of justice alleged an employee was told to write applications from african-americans with the letter "c" for coloreds. >> he said there were no apartments, that was not true. >> she wouldn't have spoken up had donald trump not brushed off the company's bad behavior. >> it's important that history not be erased. >> donald started his career back in 1973 being sued by the justice department for racial discrimination. >> annette was part of that lawsuit. >> we, along with many, many other companies throughout the country, there's a federal lawsuit, were sued. we settled the suit with zero, with no admission of guilt. it was very easy to do. >> court records show it actually wasn't so easy to do. three years after the settlement, the department of justice went back to court saying trump was not complying with the settlement agreement. four years after that, the trump organization was again taken to court and the class action lawsuit alleging a pattern of discrimination.
some 20 years after maxine brown was turned away. the trump organization and several other landlords settled the class action in 1984. sheila norris was one of the white testers sent in to a trump building the day after a black applicant was told no apartments were available. >> when i got there, oh, the superintendent greeted me with open arms. oh, yes, come, i'll show you the apartment. >> morse was offered a two-bedroom apartment. annette has kept her documentation from that complaint all those years ago although she says she hasn't looked at it in years. >> it feels like the time has come to tell the story. when donald trump says that, you know, they did not admit guilt, that may be true, but the fact that there was guilt had to come out. >> reporting by nbc news investigative reporter cynthia mcfadden. the trump campaign has made a formal response to nbc news on
this story. hope hicks says, quote, there's absolutely no merit to the allegations. the suit was brought as a part of a nationwide inquiry against a number of companies and the matter was ultimately settled without any finding of and without any admission of wrongdoing whatsoever. it is not true this lawsuit was brought against a ton of companies nationwide. the first one in particular was specific to the trump organization, but they're sticking with that response anyway. now, in response to the very specific allegation by stanley leibovitz, that rental agent who worked with the trump organization at the time and who says explosively that donald trump stood alongside his father and nodded approvingly when his father used the n-word to describe who they do not rent to, the campaign tells us that that is, quote, nonsense.
they're not offering a substantive rebuttal against the allegation. they're just giving us that response. nonsense. we're 14 days out. vice presidential candidate tim kaine is here tonight for the interview.
>> my interview with tim kaine is next.
mr. mysteriouso. the cryptic spy versus spy version of tim kaine. what did this mean? >> i don't think there's any doubt about is she going to be up on the substance. she is up on the substance. but the demean matters as well. >> have you spoken to her about the debate. >> we have chatted about it. i say chat generally because i'm trying not to reveal all the means by which we communicate. but we've done it a couple of times. she's are excited about it. >> i'm trying not to reveal all the means by which we communicate? what does that mean? tonight he explains. and it turns out it's exactly as spy versus spy mr. mysteriouso as you might thing it is. joining us for the interview, i'm very pleased to say, is the democratic nominee for vice president, virginia senator tim kaine. senator kaine, thank you so much for being here. we've never met in person. >> i've been on with you on remote, but glad to be on set. >> the last time you were with me on remote you were saying
there was absolutely no chance that you would be chosen for vice president. >> i had been through it eight years before and never thought it would be me. i had the same intuition this time but not intuition is correct. i'm thrilled to be on the ticket with hillary. >> you have been a missionary in honduras, a city rights attorney, a governor, a senator, have you ever had a female boss? >> that's a great question. when i was a practicing lawyer, i had cases where the main lawyer was a woman. but that's it. i served as two mayors on city council, they were both men. when i was lieutenant governor, my governor was a man. when i was dnc chair i essentially reported to the president. this would be the first time i had a female boss. i hadn't thought of it that way. >> i wonder if it gives you any -- if it gives you any means of reflecting on not just the historic nature of potential
first woman president but some people's shpilkes about that, whether or not people are able to voice it as a criticism that it's an unusual thing. >> it is. but i love it. i'm a civil rights lawyer. i love breaking barriers down and doing new things. our nation does it best when we're doing that. when hillary asked me to serve as her running mate, i just thought of all the strong women who helped me be the -- i've won eight elections. i've had women campaign managers and campaign secretaries and donors and volunteers and voters and i've been able to be the one with my name on the bumper sticker and yard sign. when she asked me, i get to now
play a supportive role. that's what the vice president's main job is to a woman who will make history, to the president who will preside over the celebration of the centennial of women getting the right to vote. the next president will preside over that. as much as you normalize by a woman president, a woman can be anything, my job will maybe that strong men should support strong women in whatever capacity. >> in terms of your relationship with hillary clinton, obviously you knew her before she asked you to be on the ticket. >> yeah. >> you made this cryptic comment where you said i won't comment on the exact means by which we communicate. i was thinking -- >> we're training some carrier pigeons so they can't be hacked. >> do you have to think about that, the ways that you communicate? >> we do. and we're spreading the zone, i'm here, you're this, we cover more ground, but we do communicate a lot and by different means. we knew each other, but we don't know each other as really good friends. i didn't have that kind of relationship with her. in the last two weeks before i was named to the ticket, they
thought maybe we should get to know each other. but it's been great. we're both midwesterners, we grew up in republican small business families. a church was a part of who we were. i get the milieu from which she came and it's similar to mine. >> you mentioned bill clinton and you mentioned strong men supporting strong women. have you given any thought, have you part of any planning in terms of what it's going to be like to have a former president in the white house -- barack obama is staying in d.c. when he's no longer president. bill clinton will presumably be in d.c. as the president's spouse if you and hillary clinton win. and then there's hillary clinton who will be the president. what sort of thinking or planning is going into dealing -- >> we're both superstitious. but we talk about this a little bit. we had a really good conversation about it saturday. but we're not assuming we're winning.
there's a transition team thinking about some of these. actually if you look at it, hillary will make history, president clinton will make history as the first man, first spouse, but also as a president as first spouse. i'll make the least history of the four. but to be a vice president to a woman president and with bill clinton in the white house and my wife -- is my wife second lady if there's no first lady? so there's no complete playbook for this? but that's cool, too. there's traditions that you honor. but it's also something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. you have to make your own traditions. the ability to create the model a little bit is exciting. >> in terms of the division of labor and career interests in your own family, i know you described yourself as a feminist. >> absolutely. >> you talk about these things in feminist terms but your wife was secretary of education in virginia when you were named to the ticket she gave up that job. >> yeah. >> she's supporting you full-time. presumably if you're elected she'll move into whatever we'll call that job.
how hard was that for you to navigate? do you have any regret about that? >> i do. if you had ann here, she'd answer it differently. so i think my wife has given up a lot to support me. she was a juvenile court judge and really loving her job when i got elected governor. she could have continued in that role. she wasn't required to step down. but she decided there are things i can't do on the bench that i think i can do as first lady. she helped reform the virginia foster care system. i view that as a sacrifice her giving up that job. she said it was an opportunity for me to take my judicial experience and now do a big legal reform. i think she feels the same way. as secretary of education, she has been a real passionate advocate for the profession of teaching. and that has been a central focus of hers. the head of the department of education has to be responsive to teachers and a million other constituencies, but that's an
umpire's job. but she can advocate for school boards, teachers, ptas, i can carry on the good work that jill biden and michelle obama has done around military families. so i felt sad for her when she said, i think i need to step down, but she said, i just want to make sure that hillary clinton's president, i don't want to be worried about if i have enough vacation days to go on the trail for her, i want to go campaign for her. >> senator tim kaine talking to me about what it's like to work for and with hillary clinton and what it means for him as a feminist and a politician to be in that role. strong men can support strong women. also clarifying that he and hillary clinton do communicate by secret means in order to keep their conversations safe from prying eyes and hostile hackers. i don't think he meant it in terms of carrier pigeons, but that is what he said. also saying when he was with secretary clinton this past saturday one of the things the two of them had a good
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utah this year. it would be an astonishing statement to win it, right? but is it a good idea to spend resources to make that statement. if things are going well that you're also going to win utah, it's not going to be close. should they just spend what and where they need to to get to 270, then dump everything else they've got into trying to win other races, in the senate, the congress, the states? it's not a theoretical question anymore as it turns out and not an easy one for the campaign to answer. and that is next with democratic vice presidential candidate tim kaine.
the downfield presidential race. clinton may be in a good place but i don't think the party is in a good place yet. i asked senator tim kaine about that tonight. watch. let me ask you about some of the political decisions, the hard political decisions that you and the democrats are making right now. >> yeah. >> it's been -- as a spectator sport it has been fascinating to watch you go to utah. you've got this op-ed in the deseret news right now. we've got polls in texas, there's a small ad buy that you just did in texas. as a spectator it is fascinating to see you guys playing on that side of the ideological number line in our country. at the same time, though, it feels like there's a real opportunity cost right now in terms of money, these last two weeks, it would be hilarious if
you won utah. wouldn't it be better to spend that money trying to elect a few more members of the the house from indiana or anywhere else in the country where you can build up your majority in congress? >> yeah, this is the four-dimensional chess that we're playing. it's all based on analytics. do you go for some extra electoral votes or take that money and try to build a bigger margin for a senator. my feeling, having been dnc chair, too, in a presidential year, almost the best thing, almost always to increase your success in congressional races is just to do really well in the presidential election. >> sometimes true, like '96, that wasn't necessarily true. republicans held on very well in congress even though when bill clinton beat bob dole badly. >> beat him badly. they're counterexamples. but usually the up tick in a presidential year, so it's worth doing as well as you can on the
up ticket. north carolina is an interesting state where the up ticket is not only helping the down ticket but the down ticket is helping the up ticket because there's such a move among progressives in north carolina that the governor has painted the state against its traditions. we have to win that state and win the governor's race. in each state, we're assessing what can we do, can we win, and the tide goes to if we can win and get colleagues elected too -- >> congressman butterfield from north carolina. >> great friend, great congressman. >> a shrewd tactician. he's being outspoken about this, we know you have to balance things but you're making the wrong call. you're not doing enough for down ticket democrats at the expense of trying to run up the score needlessly in the electoral college. start spending them on the regional tickets.
>> was in north carolina last thursday did a good rally together. and he made that point to me. we're looking at where opportunities are. my example would be the state of georgia. georgia is a state with a significant minority population. polls are close. if we can get over in georgia, this would create something positive long-term that would be great for the black caucus, great for democratic future because that's one of the ten largest states and there's only two in the ten largest that go the other way, texas and georgia. if we can get that back, that would be great. we're not forsaking north carolina. i've been there so often and president obama and michelle obama and hillary and president clinton were all there a lot. when he makes the case, you have to listen because he's very good at this. so all of this, we're factoring in, so i haven't, i wrote an oped for the desert news, but i haven't been to utah yet.
did a campaign event in air and a couple in texas, but i'm real yeah in a few others. >> you guys feel like you're effectively straddling it. >> you make choices on the fly. we want a congress that we can work with to get some things done. >> tim kaine tonight on the hard choices democrats are making now. they're basically trying to max out the presidential win in as many states as possible while also doing the max for democratic congressional races senate races and all the others. the cacophony around the way they make those decisions is going to get louder and louder over the next 13 days. just watch. more ahead, stay with us.
two are elected in november. does there have to be some sort of overture, some sort of welcoming place in the administration for republicans? >> i would hope so. i would hope so, or in policy. look. >> more than just a token cabinet officer? >> i would hope so, and look, i think there's going to have to be a grand gesture on the behalf of the gop to say gop does not equal trump. gop does not equal trump. and if we govern, of course, we have to govern for everybody. so there has to be an effort to reach out the. and hillary are kind of talking about that, again, not presumptuously. we have to win first, but what does that look like? one thing that will help us a little bit, give us a little bit of a head start as i think we're going to get a lot of republican votes. john warner, who is the iconic political figure in virginia gave a full-throated endorsement of hillary. he didn't even mention donald trump's name until the last sentence. he talked about what a great senator hillary clinton was, because he was on the committee with her.
and i think we're going to have a lot of people on the coalition that got her elected. but that begins a little bit of the outreach. you have the burden to govern, you have the burden to govern for everybody. >> no donald trump on the cabinet, though. >> i think that's highly unlikely. >> thank you for the time. i know you're busy of the. >> i'm happy we could do this. >> vice presidential candidate tim kaine. mike pence will be sitting down with brian williams. we've got more from senator kaine on the issue of the supreme court and isis. we've got laugh-out-loud news for you from ohio.
in spite all the good news for democrats in the polls right now, there are some not-so-good signs. like ohio, there was initial enthusiasm. but now it's down. democrats traditionally need to run up the score. compared to last year, early voting in cleveland's cuyahoga county is down by more than half. hillary clinton cannot afford that kind of turn that kind of turnout in that state if she is going to winnow owe. but the democrats have a plan. they have announce add free get out to vote concert by jay z in cleveland next week. free concert. you can pick up your tickets on friday between the hours of 8:00 and 6:00, at this location, directly across the street from the cuyahoga county office of elections. i don't know how ohio is going to pan out in the end, but that
we will hear from the girl and her mom this morning at 7:20 eastern. >> eric holder is making new announcements. is he adding fuel to the fire? log on for his debate. >> "fox & friends" starts now. bye. good morning. it is tuesday, december 2. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. it was a meeting of the protesting minds. president obama holding discussions on the ferguson fallout at the white house all while launching a plan to retrain cops on the taxpayers' dime. that's you. is this really the answer? we report, you decide. >> why is al sharpton there? meanwhile the president threatens to shut down the federal government if republicans -- the bad guys -- do not fund his amnesty action. but how much will that cost us? we're crunching the numbers straight ahead. >> moses an inspirational icon in nearly every major faith but hollywood actor
christian bale wonders if he was more like a terrorist. and if we should send in the drones. mornings are better with friends. >> hi everybody. i'm huey lewis. stand by for the news. >> it's funny. he always laughs in the same spot there. >> it's amazing. yesterday i had no idea it's only four blocks from our house here at 48th and 6th. but u2 without bono was down the block. how come no one said anything? >> you didn't try to get into the show? >> it was a wide open show. bruce springsteen played the role of bono. >> number-one fan. i heard about it earlier. >> you knew? >> in addition to that gee began particular meeting of the minds -- in addition to that gigantic meeting of
the minds musically, at the white house the president of the united states said i'm going to do something about ferguson. so he did yesterday. he had a meeting. he called in clear why -- he called in clergy and cops and talked about what happened in the wake. the president did not offer an opinion, however, on the grand jury decision, which many in his party do not like, but instead he came up with a plan to keep it from happening again, he hopes. >> it is a four-point plan we can outline here for you. 50,000 police body cameras will be instituted here. it's going to be reviewed and implemented. the white house report a police militarization executive order on military-style equipment acquisition. >> we have military equipment. the military says why don't we give it to some of the police forces in some of the bigger cities in case they need t. for example, there is a nonstop terror attack and terror alert in
our country. you might like some of this military equipment. should some of these dirty bombs go off or should there be widespread root -- rioting. the president said we've got to address the problem. i would love to see someone say something positive about law enforcement. law enforcement is being thrown in the street as if everybody is bad and they all need to be massively retrained. they get more training for their job than 99% of americans get for our jobs. >> is any of the money being invested really by the taxpayers, is any of that going to be pointed to abiding by the law and maybe improving relations from both ends. it seems a little one-sided at one point when you look at that outline. president obama says he's deeply invested in this problem. >> a solvable problem but is one that unfortunately
spikes after one event, and then fades into the background until something else happens. what i try to describe to people is why this time will be different. and part of the reason this time will be different is because the president of the united states is deeply invested in making sure that this time is different. >> that's great that he is deeply invested in it. i think we all are. "the new york post" this morning on their op-ed page has this editorial. it says in part, if the president wants a solution that will save lives, tell people not to resist arrest or assault. >> they want 50,000 body cameras. >> that's a good idea. >> i think it is a great idea. i don't see much push-back on law enforcement either. >> to spend $260 million on retraining. how many police forces out there are so bad they need to be retrained? >> that is an interesting point. that does infer that the training they have had is not enough? >> that says the cops out
there don't know what they're doing. of course if you listen to al sharpton over on msnbc, he pretty much sounds like that all the time. there he is extraordinarily in the eisenhower office building sitting opposite the president of the united states. it is extraordinary that this guy who does host a show offense at msnbc was invited. but the lieutenant governor of the great state of missouri, peter kinder said this regarding reverend al. >> i cannot imagine any previous american president of either party welcoming an inciter of mobs like reverend sharpton into the white house, into his inner councils for sober advice. you're not going to get it from him. >> that may true especially people in new york. the one thing is he does pack the place. he goes into a congregation
on sunday. the church is mobbed and he is considered by many a leader in the african-american community. >> but is he considered a peacemaker? >> he's a race baiter. you look at his history. you look atty what -- look at tijuana brawlly. you look at the fact that he owes millions on his taxes. >> how do you get away with that? i get a letter every week to pay $72. >> how do you get away with saying the fight is not over when you're in the white house, on the back of the president saying we should have peace on this. this doesn't seem to make sense. you either want someone who is going to help you maintain the peace or you don't. but the person in the oval office was al sharpton. a little concern by the lieutenant governor. >> al sharpton said this. we live in a country where we must support law enforcement but law enforcement must support justice. reverend al the grand jury did not indict officer
wilson. if you're going to support justice you've got to support that. >> one of the great sports personalities out there, he speaks his mind a lot of times controversially. you tell me if you think this is controversial or right on the mark. i'm talking about charles barkley yesterday. >> we have to be really careful with the cops man. if it wasn't for the cops we'd be living in the wild, wild west in our neighborhoods. i think we can't pick out certain incidents that don't go our way and act like the cops are all bad. you know how bad some of these neighborhoods would be if it wasn't for the cops? there's no excuse for those people to be out there burning down people's business, burning up police cars. >> and stopping traffic and blocking bridges when you've got to get to work. listen. governor christie, whether he knew everything or nothing about what's happened on the george washington bridge he was vilified for his administration. people were fired for blocking one bridge on one day. every city in this country that is a major city in
this country has been somehow diverted because of so-called peaceful and not so peaceful protests. don't stop us from getting to work or getting home and say i have a cause. >> you can hear from charles barkley which, where's the action for citizens to maybe perhaps get in line with what the police officers are trying to do in terms of keeping things civil? where's the training and budget for that? is it in there? we're all looking for it. >> is it a race thing or is it a crime thing? >> imagine if the police protested and didn't show up? what charles barkley is saying it would be utter chaos. >> if you're upset the rams came out and showed how they are supporting michael brown in ferguson? are you supportive of charles barkley speaking out like he did yesterday on the radio? do you want your sports stars to speak out about the news? weigh in, we'll be hopping
on-line. >> we can't wait to read those. the cost of amnesty. president obama saying he's willing to shut down the government if republicans won't pass funding for his immigration policy. >> doug luzader is live in washington in the bureau with a breakdown on how much that is going to cost us. >> good morning. we're talking about the cost of legalizing these folks. we know illegal immigration brings with it huge costs of its own from enforcement to health care to actual tax evasion. that's the point the white house likes to jump on, as well as immigration activists saying if you legalize these folks all of a sudden they will be working above the table and that will help with u.s. tax receipts. >> we see that, a total of about $350 billion of economic activity would basically be taken out of the shadows and be essentially legalized. in terms of wage increases, we're anticipating about $12 billion a year. >> so will it be a net gain
for the economy? the folks at the migration policy institute crunched some of the stats as far as who these individuals are. half have less than had a high school diploma. half do not speak english well or at all. 35% are unemployed or not part of the labor force. >> the illegal population overall has on average about a tenth grade education and earnings wise are probably going to be well below average. that's why most likely just as anybody with an average tenth grade education will probably not be a high earner and will end up paying less taxes than they receive in government services and benefits. >> one of the issues has to do with what's called the earned-income tax credit. that's for relatively low-income individuals. many of these illegal immigrants would qualify for the earned-income tax credit which means when
they file their taxes at the end of the year, instead of sending money to the government, they get money back which is obviously a net drain on the treasury. steve, brian, and elisabeth back to you guys. >> in many cases it can be thousands of dollars per family. >> ainsley earhardt with her huge salary is with us today. >> you have a lot to bring us. >> let me start with this headline. the suspected serial killer wanted for murdering four people in west virginia is dead. police found 39-year-old jody hunt in his truck in the woods. they say he turned the gun on himself after an hours-long manhunt that
supporters want students in north dakota to pass a citizenship test before they graduate high school. back to you guys. >> as long as we don't have to take a test. >> i think you'd do okay, steve. >> i hope we all would. coming up on this tuesday morning, attorney general eric holder making bold guarantees on the heels of ferguson, missouri. >> this will institute rigorous new standards and robust safeguards to help end racial profiling once and for all. >> but what did the death of michael brown have to do with racial profiling? we're going to talk about that. >> no dolls or trucks for christmas? the new idea called no gender december attacking the toys right under your tree. >> how dare you. ♪
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general eric holder yesterday in atlanta discussing racial profiling in the wake of the fallout in ferguson, missouri. this as the president announces a taxpayer-funded plan to retrain police officers across the country, and reverend al sharpton urges a continued fight for justice. is this really making matters better or maybe worse? joining us is milwaukee's county sherrif david clarke. good morning to you, sherrif. >> good morning, sir. how are you doing? >> doing fine. thanks very much. why the sudden push by the white house to do something about ferguson? what is the white house doing here? >> it's all theatrics. the white house understands the optics of this situation and so they create this flurry of activity and people mistake activity for accomplishment. i will resist any attempt by eric holder and the president of the united states, with all due respect, to try to run my office here at the local level. policing is a local issue. we do not need federal involvement. all they're trying to do is create this situation where
the neighborhoods at the local level that need policing the most will get it the least because it will cause people to back off when they really should be aggressive in terms of taking care of business. i think it's a shame that the attorney general paints this broad brush of law enforcement officers all across the united states of america. the cops at the street level -- and i love street cops -- they don't have a voice e right now. i think it's time to push back. i think every chief and sherrif in the united states of america and all these organizations like the national sherrifs, major county sherrifs, major county chiefs should begin to push back at any attempt of the federal government to run local law enforcement agency. >> absolutely. chief, let me ask you this. so many are trying to make this about race. is this a race thing or a law enforcement, a crime thing? >> i don't know that it's either of those two. i don't look at it as an either-or proposition. the president held some
summit at the white house yesterday and invited, he said law enforcement and other people. i wish he would have invited me because i would have looked at him and i would have pushed aside the thee i can't -- theatrics and say mr. president our people in milwaukee can't find meaningful work. you spent $1 trillion on a package you said would create jobs. where are the jobs? why do our kids in these urban centers have to attend failing public schools where they are shackled to a life of crime and violence? these kids will not reach their potential. we need better schools for our kids. those are the issues. the creation of the welfare state has not helped this thing. it's created a growing underclass and we saw the behaviors of the underclass on display last week. i would say why don't you issue an executive order and have it audit programs that have made it worse
because they keep people addicted to handouts. that is what is wrong in these ghettos. it is not the police spoivment you got -- >> you got it right. sherrif, always a pleasure. thank you for your straight talk. >> more in a minute.
memorabilia including scripts, props and war droap. -- wardrobe. >> ask people who moses is and they will probably say he parted the red sea. but ask actor christian bale who plays him in the movie "exodus," he has a different answer when asked that. >> absolutely seen as a freedom fighter. hebrews but terrorist in terms of the egyptian empire. >> what would happen to moses if he arrived today? >> drones would be sent out after him. >> here to weigh in is fox news religion contributor father jonathan morris. >> interesting take. >> moses a terrorist? >> i think he said in relationship to the egyptian empire and the egyptians were holding the hebrews as slays.
-- slaves. >> in today's terms? >> then the drone thing, it makes it sound like the big bad guys are the ones who use drones. of course that would be the u.s. and the west against terrorism. i don't like the comparison. put it that way. >> do you believe that is fair to what moses did? >> no. he certainly wasn't thinking about drones. he was a freedom fighter, no doubt. but a freedom fighter called by god to go up against an empire that was keeping the hebrew people enslaved. >> i guess when you hear the word terrorist now. because you're saying drones. you're looking in the past, not looking at now. it doesn't seem to people he was alluding to how they would have seen him then. he was describing modern terms. >> he also referred to moses as a schizophrenic. when you go back to the director, he talked about religion being the greatest source of evil. this is a few years ago. but religion being the
greatest source of evil now. i don't think they're going after religion here and i think there is a lot that could be gotten out of this movie. i love the fact we're going back and doing epic biblical films. think of "noah" was there some good in that? yes. could it have been great? yes. was it? no. >> what was missing? >> the spirit of faith. i think there's three elements of a great religious film. one is great art. great art, great acting and then, third, a perspective of faith. the bible's not just a history book. it's not a history book. there's history in it, but it is a book of faith. when you get those three elements you're going to have an epic film. >> let me ask you about the film you're consulting on, a.d. does that contain those three elements? >> it absolutely does. otherwise i wouldn't be involved in it. the fact that they brought me in to be a part of it means they're trying to get it right from that
perspective. i think a lot of organizations and directors could learn from that and say we're going to make this right. we're going to make epic films that have religious elements. >> give me a couple of words to describe moses, in your opinion? >> first of all, he was a humble man who listened to god and u the big things god was calling him to. he had a speech problem and he had to speak to the farrow. what am i supposed to tell him? i'll tell you when you get there. what kind of faith is that? >> dr. jonathan morris, always good to have you. thank you. this coming up, sorry? not sorry? the st. louis police say the rams apologized during this protest but the team is telling a dinner story. what is going on there? we're going to look into it. this boy scout is more than prepared. he went above and beyond to earn all 135 merit badges. he joins us live to talk about that rare feat next. good morning. first we're going to wish happy birthday to green bay
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just throw the tree over the fence. >> they're thinking about bending the fence out and having gymnasts try to get over the fence. >> set personal records. >> to have people try to hop in and see if they can stop them. >> why not? inch by inch. >> got to do some dry runs. >> we're going to run right now over to ainsley. >> let me tell you what's in the headlines this morning. thank you, elisabeth. a reward for any information about missing college student shane montgomery now raised to $25,000. but this morning still no sign of him. montgomery disappeared after leaving a bar in philadelphia on thanksgiving eve. that irish pub now kicking in $10,000 for any information. bar owners say montgomery was respectful when he was asked to leave after bumping into the d.j. table adding he was not acting drunk. is it an apology or is it not? st. louis county police and st. louis rams are now at
odds over whether the team officially apologized for this hands up, don't shoot gesture. st. louis county police chief claimed the rams' c.o.o. kevin demoff apologized for his players but demoff denies that: the police officers association called the gesture profoundly disappointing. a new campaign wants to make sure no little boys see these toys under the christmas tree this year. ♪ g.i. joe >> no gender december calling for a ban on toy favorites like g.i. joe for boys and barbies for girls. the movement calls on toy companies to be more inclusive asking supporters to only buy gender neutral toys this christmas. what is gender neutral in their opinion? one of last year's
bestsellers, an eazy bake oven. >> here's a weather report that literally goes to the dogs. >> hey, king, how are you? live tv. how are you buddy? it's not your turn yet. you have to wait one more segment. that could on youtube later. >> miami weatherman ryan phillips getting interrupted by king the bulldog. king was supposed to be the on the show later in the segment called pet of the week but clearly king could not wait to become a celebrity. those are your headlines. >> is that a pit bull? >> it looked like it. >> he wants to come up and -- >> we said bulldog but it looked more like a pit bull. >> and that didn't look like an e-z bake oven. it looked more like a radio. >> let's see how we do with the weather.
maria molina joins us from the streets of new york city where currently outside it's 38 degrees. >> it's a chilly morning. hello, everyone. speaking of a chilly morning, we expect a bit of a wintry mix across portions of the northeast. look at this system moving through. we have early this morning areas of snow and a wintry mix across portions of the mid-atlantic. later today into tonight we're going to see a more widespread wintry mix and even more snow from areas of new england spreading down to virginia and portions of ohio. accumulations are going to be very light so not a huge concern but it will be an issue on the roadways. farther west in california the story is the ongoing drought, extreme drought conditions in place still but we're getting much-needed rain in places like san francisco and also los angeles. temperature-wise much colder across the northeast. look at caribou, maine action highs in the teens. 40 degrees in new york city, a cool-down compared
to yesterday. we were looking at temperatures into the 50's. in texas also on the chilly side. highs there only in the 40's and 50's. let's head back inside. >> maria, thank you very much. brian, that is an e-z bake oven. meanwhile from american business to wood working, one 14-year-old in the washington, d.c. area has taken to heart the boy scott -- boy scout motto of be prepared as he achieved a rare feat. he earned every merit badge there is, all 135 of them. >> that boy scout josh mc coy joins us now. it is an honor to have you here. congratulations. >> thank you. >> what was your final patch and what was the most difficult one to get? >> the last merit badge that i earned was bugling merit badge. the one that was most difficult is a close tie between serving and
bugling. >> you wouldn't happen to have a bugle there with you this morning, would you, because it is almost sunup in washington. >> yeah, i do. >> okay. let's hear something. as if we haven't already worked this out. >> what are you going to play? >> i'm going to play taps. >> okay. [playing taps on bugle] >> very nice. i think he just woke up fred fare. >> impressive. it took you two years to learn all the songs, 15 songs to get that badge. well done. >> josh, why does it mean so much to you to get all these merit badges? a lot of people say it's enough just to be an eagle scout. >> i would say it means a lot to me to earn every single merit badge because, first of all, i hadn't chosen a career that i wanted to do before i joined scouting.
second of all it was a lot of fun for me. >> that's great. >> what is the career you chose? >> i've now chosen, i want to go into engineering. >> congratulations. that's terrific. while that will be a great business for you when you grow up and a great vocation, let me ask you this. the fact that you went after all 135 of the merit badges -- and i know your brother zach has 102 -- doesn't this have something to do with your father and the number of badges your dad got when he was your age? >> yes, it does. my dad got 82 merit badges. i'm just an overall competitive person, so i wanted to beat him. by the time i had gotten to 83, there were just tons more merit badges that were fun left to do. and i just wanted to keep going. >> what did he say to you when you got your last? >> he said congratulations, and the deal was that if i beat him in merit badges,
he would pay for me to do my scuba diving. >> congratulations. >> always cutting a deal. >> we know what you'll be doing next now, josh. >> i'm going scuba diving with some of the people in my troop. >> is there a scuba merit badge? >> yes. i earned it. >> of course you did. >> all right. >> you have a badge for getting up early with "fox & friends" here, josh. congratulations. wish your brother well as well. he's right behind you. >> just for the record, it's an emotional badge. >> what is your troop number? >> i'm from troop 1145 out of prince of peace lutheran church in springfield, virginia. >> thank you. well done. >> he's going to be a great engineer? >> sure is. >> a police chase starts with a car and ends with a
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nobody was hurt. but he made our highlight reel. the most excellent airline for 2015 is somewhere near middle earth. air new zealand was named the top airline for its reputation as a trend setter and in-flight renovation. they are also responsible for bringing the cast of lord of the rings into the country for filming. that's some of the news. >> once big supporters of obamacare some of america's leading c.e.o.'s threatening to turn against the law. >> corporations offering wellness workplace programs are now being sued for complying. a government agency claiming the incentives violate americans disabilities act. what legal recourse do businesses have against the affordable care act? we're going to ask fox news senior judicial analyst and author of a new book "suicide pact" judge andrew napolitano. thank you for being here. >> this is the mark of a
government out of control when it writes laws that are so inconsistent with each other that in order to follow one law, you have to disobey the other. and the government enforces both, so you really are in a conundrum. >> what do you mean by that? >> if you're the owner of a corporation of 50 or more employees, you're required to encourage wellness among employees for chronic ailments like depression, hypertension, obesity. >> yes? >> but if you ask them if they are depressed, hypertension or obese, you violate the americans with disabilities act. if you follow obamacare by trying to find out if your employees need long-term assistance for chronic ailments the government will sue you for violating the americans with disabilities act. what kind of a government writes laws -- unless it didn't read the law before it became the law -- that are so inconsistent with each other and enforces them in such a manner that by obeying one you violate the other? this government and this obama administration.
>> it puts the corporations in a position that's impossible. >> that's the interesting political part about this. a lot of corporate c.e.o.'s went along with obamacare because they they wanted to go along to get along. a lot of insurance companies loved it. guess what? they're find out they hate it in large measure because of this particular conundrum. did the obama administration have to sue these corporations for asking their employees if they need some help with long-term health care? of course not. this was a discretionary act on the part of the obama administration. it's insane in the manner in which these laws are being enforced. >> how many times have we talked about selective enforcement on a myriad of issues? this government is excellent at it. let's talk about your brand-new book. it's called "suicide pact." what's it about? it's not about suicide. >> it argues when the president takes a law into his own hands and the congress lets him, that is a suicide pact. suicide for our liberties.
i didn't write this at the time president obama decided to change the immigration laws. obviously this book was written before that. but it's helping me to sell the book, because his presidency is an example of a president stealing power from congress, rewriting the laws, declaring war, doing it on his own and the congress letting him get away with it. >> relations with cuba could be next on deck as well as e.p.a. regulations, bypassing congress. hasn't this always been the case? haven't we always had an executive pushing against congress and vice versa? >> yes. in each presidency it's worse. the first half of this book is a history of presidential law breaking and lawmaking from george washington to bill clinton. the second half of this book looks at every executive order that we could get our hands on from george w. bush and barack obama post-9/11, all the things they did, both parties, both presidents exceeding their power under the constitution. but president obama has taken this to an entirely new level.
>> in the book -- and this is the exit question, so you don't have to answer it in toto, just so we can help you sell a book, but who is the most lawless of our presidents? >> the present one. >> really? >> yes. to brian's argument, that may always be the case because they each rely on the behavior of their predecessors to justify legally and explain morally what they're trying to get away with. >> but within the pages of "suicide packet" -- >> the president present, barack obama, more than anybody else claimed he can kill americans without any due process. no president ever claimed that. >> check out the new book. it's called "suicide pact." it's available everywhere. >> thank you. >> coming up straight ahead, is disney letting go of god? the disney website is under fire this morning for blocking a little girl's post saying she's thankful for god. >> i don't know if we can let that go.
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show them who is boss. here to show us how to protect yourself, former nypd detective and fox news contributor. welcome. i cannot believe a block away after you said good-bye to sean and geraldo, you ended up in trouble. >> it wasn't really trouble. i waited for sean to get in his car. then i start walking down the block, right here, 47th street. there was a big demonstration that night, if you remember down by times square. they were demonstrating on the shooting of st. louis, ferguson. so as i'm walking down, my car was on 48th street. i had to go to 6th avenue, come around. i'm walking. all of a sudden i saw these young guys milling around. i didn't think nothing of it. of course, they had hoodies on. so i still didn't think -- i limp because i broke my leg in my ankle. i limp a little late at night. i have a suit on. next thing is i walk in there, the one guy comes around front of me, he was tall, about 6' 2.
he came in my face and goes, where are you going? at that time i felt i knew what was coming down. remember, i was a decoy. i got mugged 500 times. >> on purpose. >> yeah, i had been stabbed, shot at. i felt it coming down. my initial reaction was how did i let them get so close to me and he was going to punch me. i looked in his eye and next thing was a shot in my face. moldly i put my hat under my jacket, i carry a gun legally. and i said to him, if you don't get out of my face, i'm going to pop a cap. i used some vulgar language. but it was a street language where it's understood exactly what i meant. they knew i was armed. and they didn't want to do anything with it. >> how do we -- you're a tough guy, been through this before. but for many us, we have not had that happen before. you have basic hints that we could have if we're not armed. first, trust your instinct. >> right. if you're walk down the street, you feel like something is not right, cross the street.
if you see someone standing there, be aware of your surroundings. don't be texting. that's the most important thing for people to be aware of their surroundings. also if you are confronted by someone, look right in their eye. let them know, i'm not going down easy. so if you're going to rob me, you're going to have a problem. but most important thing is be aware of your surroundings. with christmas coming up with all the ferguson -- cash, all that, don't worry about that. worry about your surroundings. and don't walk into something if you uncomfortable, you're 100% right, it's not right. >> this is men and women. >> oh, yeah. >> if you have kids with you? >> yeah. this woman i saw on the news, she had a baby and they knocked it down and knocked her cell forelast night. the big thing is around christmas is the fact that be aware of your surroundings. when you shop and be aware of your pocketbook, your wallet sitting this, your cell phone. don't be not aware and then you won't become a victim.
>> you got to drop geraldo and sean. they're nothing but trouble. >> let me tell you something, honestly, i'm just glad it worked out the way it did. >> so are we. thank god you're okay to tell bus this story. when we come back, the latest on the ferguson protests.fer, don't go away.
♪ let it go ♪ let it go ♪ can't hold it back anymore >> a whole new world of censorship from the family friendly company. we're going to tell you about that as we're freezing here in new york city. freezing, frozen, get it? it's tuesday, you're watching "fox & friends." >> this is sherry shepherd and you're watching "fox & friends" with my best pal, elisabeth hasselbeck. and those two other guys. >> that hurts our feelings. i thought she was nice. >> she doesn't mean it. >> you sure? >> she loves you guys. >> joining us to apologize, sherry shepherd, go ahead. nothing? >> i know she's actually watching. she watches in the morning. >> all right. let's talk about the news of the day. yesterday the president of the united states, so many people were saying, mr. president, you got to do something about ferguson. well, he did. he had a meeting there at the executive office building, the eisenhower building. he brought together clergy, as
you can see there, police officer next to him, politician talking about the simmering tensions. what can the president do? well, you know what? he's got a four-point plan. >> it's $263 million in actual program push here for 50,000 police body cameras, a task force on police practices, white house report on police militarization executive order on military style equipment acquisitions. those are four prongs of the plan, which is costly for the taxpayer. 263 million. >> i feel like law enforcement had a very bad day yesterday because people were talking about all the changes that need to be done to their jobs to the way they go about it, the way they're even trained. the attorney general, while the president is having this meeting on how to make law enforcement better or modernized, he had the attorney general in atlanta pretty much convicting the cops of ferguson, saying that of course it was racial profiling that got this whole thing started on the wrong foot. listen to him.
>> in the coming days, i will announce updated justice department guidance regarding profiling by federal law enforcement. this will institute rigorous new standards and robust safeguards to help end racial profiling once and for all. >> this is about racial profiling? >> keep in mind, that was never decide that had the case with officer wilson involved racial proceed filing, not once. >> it absolutely was not. just about an hour ago issues we had on this program milwaukee's sheriff, david clark. we asked him why the white house was doing this particular event and other things across the country and he was very clear. he said simply it is theatrics. they're just doing this right now to make it seem like they're doing something when, in fact, he sees what's going on in this country as an assault on police
officers and sheriff clark is very clear, every police officer in the country should stand up now and be heard. here he is. >> policing is a local issue. we do not need federal involvement. all they're trying to do is create this situation where the neighborhoods at the local level that need policing the most will get it the least because it will cause people to back off when they really should be aggressive. it's a shame that the attorney general paints this broad brush of law enforcement officers all across the united states of america. the cops at the street level, and i love street cops, they don't have a voice right now. and i think it's time to push back. >> the black caucus weighed in yesterday, as well as marshal faulk, said everything has to change the think how bad everything is. on a if i'm a street cop, making very little money, i know my life is on the line every day in the smallest and biggest city, i'm saying, do i really need
this job? if i'm not going to get support from the highest level or from my police officers or from my sheriff who feels pressure from above, i don't know if it's worth the risk. >> think about it, with sheriff clark, he said it's theatric, that's why they're doing it now. i asked if it was a race thing or is it a crime thing, because michael brown roughed up the cop and assault and other things as well. he said it's not that simple. he said, you got to look at the bigger problem. the problems are in the black community, unemployment. you got to look at education. you got to look at opportunity as well. those are the things the president should be worried about. >> the trap of government handouts is something he noted. school system, which has them handcuffed to poverty. interesting to note that entire interview was excellent. >> it's beençó two weeks since n election, let's talk about the next one. 2016. senator rob portman says don't ask me to be president. and you have rand paul saying i'm going to be a senator and
probably running for president. the bigger news happened yesterday where jeb bush spoke. >> that's right. this is what he said about what it would take to have a republican leader step up. >> i'm thinking about running for president and i'll make up my mind in short order. not that far out into the future. i don't know the exact timeline. it's the same decision making process that i've always had. i don't know if i'd be a good candidate or bad one. i know -- kind of know how republican can win, whether it's me or somebody else and it has to be much more uplifting, much more positive, much more willing to be practical. >> he's essentially laid out his blueprint, if he were to decide in short order. among his priorities, overhauling education, immigration, and the tax code. he also had some tough love for the incoming republican congress. he said stop trying to make a point. last year remember famously they
are blamed for shutting down the government. he said, forge compromises. pass legislation and stop trying to repeal the affordable care act. instead come up with some alternatives when it comes to health care. >> that's right. let us know what you think about jeb 2016. we'll read it here. facebook, twitter. >> you can't argue with his resume for sure. ainsley, you have the latest news. i saw you working there. >> i do. let me tell you what you missed if you were sleeping. a suspected serial killer wanted for murdering four people in west virginia is dead. police found 39-year-old jody hunt in his truck in the woods. they said he turned the gun on himself after an hour's long manhunt that forced the lockdown of several schools in that area. friends identifying one of his victims as this lady. this is an ex-girlfriend of his who filed a domestic violence case against the suspect just last month. before his deadly rampage, he wrote this chilling facebook post. you will not hurt me anymore. you will not destroy my stolen
heart as you tried so hard to do. a fox news alert now. the wife of the son of the isis leader being questioned in lebanon. two senior officials saying they captured them more than a week ago using fake i.d. cards. officials saying the woman believed to be one of the wives of isis leader al bagdadi. he was believed to be critically injured during an air attack back on november 8. but just days after, a new audio tape of him surfaced, calling for an increase in lone wolf attacks. there could be an immigration showdown in washington today as homeland security secretary jay johnson testifies before congress about the impact of amnesty on border security. president obama's new policies let 5 million illegal immigrants stay in our country. johnson argues removing illegals is not a priority. he calls the president's action common sense, by intense criticism from a band of republicans. even though injuries from a bike accident kept bono from
performing on world aids day, he had some pretty good understudy ies. ♪ ♪ >> bruce springstein himself turning out for the free concert in new york city, performing with youtube. chris martin also filling in. he springstein and martin saved the event from being canceled after his injury. those are your headlines. >> bruce springstein for bono does not do it for me. >> he's still good. >> it was nice to stand in. >> best concert, u2, if you have a chance to go. >> great call. thanks for all that. ten minutes after the top of the hour. we told you the white house wants more spending to retrain police in the wake of the ferguson tragedy. is that really the answer? philadelphia mayor michael nutter who was in the room with
the president yesterday joins us next. and government employees getting paid hundreds of thousands of your taxpayer dollars not to work. how does that make you feel? let me throw something across the room. ♪ ♪
hearing young people feeling marginalized and distrustful even after they've done everything right. that's not who we are. and i don't think that's who the overwhelming majority of americans want us to be. >> president obama meeting with civil rights leaders at the white house following last week's fallout in ferguson. the president asking for $263 million to retrain police officers and fix what he calls a mistrust between law enforcement and the public. is more money, though, really the answer? joining us now, philadelphia mayor michael nutter, who attend yesterday's meeting with the president. mr. mayor, we thank you for joining us here. >> good morning. >> we continue to hear that the
community feels marginalized, that there is a mistrust when it comes to the police. but what do you have to say as the mayor, to your law enforcement officials who feel marginalized and attacked by the efforts in the past week to really retrain their thinking and what is deemed as an attack on the black population? >> well, first and foremost, i have an incredible level of respect and appreciation and show support for the philadelphia police officers here in our city. these men and women risk their lives each and every day to make sure the rest us are safe. crime has been going down consistently in philadelphia during the seven years almost that i've been in office. they have a tough and dangerous job. at the same time, we all work for the citizens here and the taxpayers. so treating people with dignity and respect has to be a part of their job and awful us as public servants. so at times there can be a disconnect.
in communities, in any city, including our city, between how residents feel about the service that they get, how they are treated in their own community, and if that gap in trust grows, then you have a dangerous situation. citizens need the police. they're going to quality police. but at the same time -- >> mr. mayor, you used the term disconnect. is it a misperception that you think law enforcement has a different set of rules for the african-american community or minority community as opposed to the white community or is it the reality, in your mind? >> i think all of us come to our station in life with things that we've grown up with, things we have in our mind, things that we see, things that we've experienced, things we see, no disrespect to any of you, in the broader sense of media and movies and all kind of things, are going through our heads at any particular moment. so if you feel -- i mean, as i said yesterday across the table
from president obama, why is it that black men in particular feel afraid when they are driving their car, maybe not doing anything issues but hear sirens go off behind them? there is a constant struggle of what is going to happen next. so whether it's real or it's a perception, it's the reality for that person and awful us have to deal with that. people don't want to feel that way. they want to call 911, know they're going to get good service and they want to see an officer walking down the street, or a car next to them and not have their heart start to racing because they don't know what's going to happen next. we have to deal with that as americans and come to grips with it. acknowledge that it's a problem and then take action. >> problem of feeling and perception what i'm hearing, mr. mayor, right? 2012, 326 white -- >> i think for some in their own communities, it is the reality. they know someone who has possibly been abused. they know someone who may have been shot. >> sure. >> and so it's not just a
feeling and a perception. for some people, whether in philly or halfway across the country, it is their own reality. >> mr. mayor, the president laid out the four-point plan, spend all that money on retraining. one of the new york papers wrote if the president wants a solution that will save lives, tell people not to resist arrest or assault police. >> well, i didn't see that particular piece. that's nicely written. >> but doesn't that make a great point? >> is there something to that? >> it's one point. but it's also about how officers interact with citizens. everyone has a responsibility here. every police officer is not -- >> how about having citizens react with the police officers. >> i mean, vice-versa. so everyone has a role to play here. i was taught i had the conversation, we call it -- >> mr. mayor, we have very little time. >> my father, a long time ago, about how to interact with police officers. so there is a mutual
responsibility. >> great. you see, i agree with you, mr. mayor. i want to get a question in. it seems like the four-point plan is all about the cops changing. what about the community changing? what is the president's plan for the community? >> is it there? >> well, i think that the president did talk about not only 21st century policing and i'm proud commissioner ramsey is the co-chair of that effort, but also the listening sessions of that attorney general holder just started literally yesterday in atlanta. some of those conversations will take place about what is the community's responsibility? how do we better interact with police officers? what is the right way to engage? so i think the president has been balanced in this effort. all of it may not have been completely laid out in the four points. but i think those four points are the right points. having community listening sessions, training police officers, engaging from the justice department in local communities, and also
reevaluating how we give out the kind of equipment that we get from the military, which i support that program. but it needs accountability. i think all those elements will be there. the work of my brother's keeper, which we're strong supporters of here in philadelphia, so there is a community component to this and a responsibility to better understand what is policing about? why do officer december -- officers do what they do? >> but a lot of them do an unbelievable job and feel disrespected today about what's been happening over the last two weeks because they do an incredible job. thank you for joining us. >> we don't want them to feel that way. >> all right. >> thank you. >> 20 after the top of the hour. is disney letting go of god? its web site blocked a little girl's post, saying she's thankful for god. that girl and her mom are here next to tell their story. ♪ ♪
they must be bored over there. ♪ let it go, let it go ♪ can't hold me back anymore ♪ let it go >> well it looks like disney's "frozen" out god. when one little girl tried to post what she was thankful for on disneychannel.com, she was blocked because her reference to the almighty. apparently disney considers god's name a profanity. joining me now, lilly here with her mom. thank you both for being here. good morning. i know it's early. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> julie, i'm going to start with you. i know lily -- by the way, happy birthday. i know it was this past weekend. we're excited for you. when lily went online to post what she was thankful for, what did she type in exactly? >> she typed in that she was thankful for god and her family and church and her friends. when she did, when she hit
submit, it came up in red letters and the message that it said was please be nice. so she came and got me to let me know that something wasn't right and we started looking at it together and kind of playing with it and change words around a little bit to see what it was that it didn't like. and we found out that when we removed the word god from the post, the web site would allow it. >> so until you removed god, the word god, the web site would continue to tell you to be nice? >> that's correct. >> lily, how did that make you feel, when you just said what you were thankful for, and that was really nice note you wrote. how did it make you feel? >> it kind of made me feel a little bit confused about why it wasn't letting me send my message. >> sure. and that's what you were thankful for. i think that's a sweet message. we're excited you're sharing it here with us on "fox & friends." julie, did you contact disney?
what happened? here is your girl, she just turned ten, writing the sweetest thing on line. did you reach out to disney? >> i have not heard any response from disney. i reached out to todd sternson fox news and he's the one that did the write-up and shared her story for us so that we could get some sort of answer 'cause i just don't want children to feel like there is something wrong or something that they should be ashamed of in sharing their faith with their peers. >> lily, did you feel bad that they made you feel kind of bad about posting the word god? >> they made me feel a little bit bad because i couldn't write it. god is the reason that we have all this stuff that we have. >> you got a good heart. we did get a statement from disney. so i'm gog read it here. maybe it will make you feel little better. it says, quote, because so many people attempt to abuse the system and use the word god in conjunction with profanity, in abundance of caution, our system
is forced to catch and prevent any use of the word on our web site. what's your response to that, julie? >> you know, in a way it's understandable that what they're trying to prevent. but a big red message that tells a child that it's not nice to be thankful for god might not be the best way to handle that. >> lily, before we go, we will not censor you and we already know that you're a nice girl. so why don't you go ahead and tell america right now exactly what you're thankful for the way you wanted to the first time. go ahead. >> i'm thankful for god and my family and all my friends 'cause he is the reason that i have all this stuff. >> you're an exceptional young girl. julie, you're a great mom of the we thank you for sharing your story here and for voicing your thanks to america loud and proud, lily. great work. >> thank you. >> thank you.
>> you got it. she's got a good heart. this coming up, a reporter gets a little too close to his story. >> we're going to start with the hardest question of all. [ bleep ] >> my god. >> yikes. he was covering a shooting and almost became a victim of one? how that all happened next. talking hollywood politics and the president, up next. brian is joining him on the way to the curvy couch. good morning.
the first ever interactive white house holiday card. see that? it's really cute. the way it works is you open the card, you enter your name and your social security number, and then you'll sign up for obamacare. happy holiday, suckers. >> amazing indeed. joining us on the curvy couch is steve gutenberg. he's got a new book out. good morning to you. >> another book. what's going on? >> i like to write. a little scribbling. >> what did you think of jimmy fallon taking a shot at the president? i know you have been a vocal supporter of the president in the past. >> well, we have a great country and the liberty that we have to be able to do that is fantastic. there are so many countries that you can't do that. it's great. >> there was emphatic support largely by hollywood early on. it seems it tapered a bit. what's your opinion about that? maybe shifting to hillary for
2016? >> i don't really see that. i don't think it's shifted at all. i think that everybody supports our president. it's the toughest job in the world, obviously. and you got to give the guy a lot of credit. he's got a lot to go up against. >> sure. but he's got critics when he does stuff that people don't appreciate. >> well, of course. we're always going to have critics. they're everywhere and that's what society is built on. do you something and everybody has an opinion about it. but i think we all love our country. not getting into it because i'm just an actor. my opinion is just a single guy. >> you're an american. >> but i do believe that we're all fighting for the same thing. we have real troubles. >> we do. >> if you look at all the situations going on, we've got a lot to go up against. it's important to have bipartisan, but at the same time, we've got to work together. i think the biggest problem is personal ambition in government
is taking over what we really have to fight for. >> interesting. >> just to make ourselves a great country. >> instead of the word service. it should almost be a sacrifice. i'm putting my career on hold to serve. that's what the original intent was. >> it's not to get out and then make money. and i think that we've sort of forgotten about that. but also just too much fighting. >> it's become uncivil. >> yeah. we got to put it together. >> i find there would be less fighting with me if people would agree with me more. >> i find for me to disagree. >> i find people would be happier if they went back to the days of disco. what are the odds, you got a book called "the kids from disco." >> yeah. >> wait a minute. i'm a kid from disco. >> i've always wanted to write a book about uncles. people write books about children. >> that's the man from uncle. >> that's right. he wasn't an uncle. and i have two nieces and two
nephews that i love very, very much and i'm a great uncle. i'm a very good uncle. and came up with this story about an uncle who becomes a super hero and employs his two niece and nephews to fight melvis pelvis. >> fantastic. because not many people fight the pelvis n no. >> until now. >> what are the keys to being a great uncle? nobody ever writes about that. >> the key to being a great uncle is to show the kids that you love their mother or their father, your brother or sister. i think that's the most important part of being an uncle is that they see -- i have two sisters -- how much i love my sisters and how you treat your sisters. so they can grow up and be like that, too. at the same time, they come over to my apartment and they can do whatever they want. >> free rein.
>> yeah. >> good message. >> i want to bring up one thing, steve. you said something which is so insightful. casual give and at the same time but it really cut to the heart of the matter. what did you tell him before? >> which part are we talking about? >> when you went up to him and said, have you hung out with brian yet? >> that's right. the last time you were here, you said you both were from massapequa. there is no reason why you shouldn't be friends. that was two years ago. what the heck happened? >> well -- >> i don't want to hear excuse. >> we were hot and heavy. we went fishing fishing and boa. >> was it disco inferno hot? >> hold on. ♪ >> we might go clubbing. >> it's an uncle date. >> we'll take pictures and send them to steve. >> sunday, we'll go to
christians. >> in massapequa. >> thank you very much. congratulations on the book. go get it. >> great message. >> the kids from disco. >> you ever toss to ainsley? >> no. >> here she is with the news. >> here she is with the news. >> what a great segment. y'all are having so much fun. here is what's happening in the headlines. a 13-year-old boy found behind that fake wall in his father's georgia house is speaking out. >> doing great. i thank god. i downloaded an app. i called my mom. >> what a sweet young man. gregory, all smiles now, explaining how he escaped his father's house. he was held prisoner there away from his biological mother for four years. the teen-ager now telling police that he was beaten by his father and his stepmother. they're both behind bars and their bail was denied. meanwhile, the son is living now with his biological mother once
again. tv cameras capturing the terrifying moments a reporter covering a shooting almost becomes the victim of one. he was interviewing a woman outside a store in west virginia when gun fire rang out. >> we're going to start off the hardest question -- >> [ bleep ] >> was there a shooting? >> yes. >> the two quickly running for cover behind a car. >> when i heard the first shot, my whole body got stiff. it was when i got behind the car that i realized how close it was because you could hear that zip. >> one man was hit, but he is okay this morning. police are still looking for the suspect. grayco in hot water over its latest safety recall. federal regulators are investigating a possible delay in reporting a safety defect which led to the biggest recall of children's seats in the united states. the buckles can get stuck, making it very hard to remove your child from the seat. the government says grayco was
aware of the complaints as early as 2009, but never informed federal regulators. grayco insists it has been cooperative. imagine getting shocked every time you do something bad for you. that's exactly what happens when you wear one of these, padlock wristband. if you're in a bad habit, if you're doing something like spending too much time on line, not enough time at the gym, it will give you an electric jolt. it is nown sale for $200. so people pay to feel that? who controls that? >> otherwise it's like the invisible fence that the dogs use. >> thank you, ainsley. >> thanks. 20 minutes to the top of the hour. this coming up next. >> a fake hero learns the hard way if you're going to impersonate a u.s. army ranger, make sure there aren't any real ones nearby. >> i've worn that uniform and i've had friends get killed in afghanistan in that uniform,
stolen valor, right here. >> wow. the real hero will be here next.
right? >> thanks. one fake hero learns the hard way if you're going to impersonate a u.s. army ranger, better make sure there is not a soldier nearby. >> you're in rangers? there it is. >> where is your combat patch at? >> i gave it to a little kid. >> why is your flag so low on your shoulder? should be up here. >> got me on that one. >> why don't you just admit you're a phony. you know it's illegal, right? >> let me tell you something, i'm a phony? >> yeah. >> then i wouldn't be wearing this uniform. >> you wouldn't? >> no. >> 'cause you are a phony. i called you out on ten different things. it's illegal what you're doing because i've worn that [ bleep ] uniform and hive had friends get killed in afghanistan in that uniform. stolen valor right here! >> soldier burke, u.s. army veteran that confronted that phony is with us right now. thanks for your service. >> thank you. >> set the scene for us. looks like you're in a mall, you spot something and what did you do? >> i spotted this guy in an army combat uniform. he went into a store. i went in for a closer look
because i like talking to fellow service members. as i got closer, a noticed a couple things were off with his uniform. his flag was low, boot lace were untucked. the badges on his chest were offcenter. so i took a step back and i just watched and talked to a little boy and kind of tell him stories about being in the military and this and that. and as he came out of the store, that's kind of when i initially confronted him about his uniform not being properly worn. >> we're hearing it. you have it -- you had your iphone and taping him. if you had the right earnings you would have backed off, correct? >> correct. initially did he have what could have been correct answers. when he approached me, i noticed he had two stars above his badge which would indicate he served in three different wars, which is almost physically impossible for his age. >> why does it bother you so much? >> well, i served in afghanistan and i've had several friends get seriously wounded and a couple
were killed in action who wore that same uniform, who put all that on the line and sacrificed that. to see somebody try and claim that type of sacrifice or dedication that my friends did really irked me. >> what about with your family? don't you have a -- >> my grandfather served in world war ii. he was also in the army. and just that legacy of wearing that uniform, so many guys put their lives on the line and have lost their lives wearing that same uniform. somebody to pose as an actual soldier when they haven't sacrifice as much as those guys have, it's just wrong. >> you also get discounts and praise when you don't deserve it. that bothers you on top of that. what has been the online response since this has been posted out there? >> generally in the military community especially, it's been positive from my end. i'd say fort most part, everybody supported what i did and they agree with it. there has been a couple negative responses, but overall, i think everybody was on board with me and thought i made the right
choice. >> and what happened to him now? >> as of right now, the video on line has millions of views. the law enforcement officials are actually in the process of contacting him to investigate further if this guy should be prosecuted or not. >> it is a crime. it's been posted on facebook, says i worked with him. always called him out and he always stuck to his story. thankfully there is someone with more military knowledge than me that could pinpoint the lies. i could not. thank you. this made my day. >> yeah. it means a lot. like i said, i think there is more than just this guy walking around posing as a service member, claiming that they sacrificed as much as some of my friends have and i think when it's seen, it needs to be called out and these guys need to be prosecuted. >> you dropped out of penn state to go serve. now you're back, ready to graduate. what do you want to do next? >> hopefully law enforcement is my main goal here. >> at 26. what a life you've already had. thanks so much for your service and thanks for doing what you did and everybody else serve
notice, don't steal the valor. this is only for the select few. >> appreciate it. >> who is on your wrist? >> private first class anthony nunn, killed in may of 2011 and sergeant summers, also killed in july of 2011 in eastern afghanistan. >> wow. and you are making sure their memory stays alive. >> appreciate that. >> thanks so much. coming up, how do you turn that seasonal job into a permanent one? cheryl casone is here with that way to make that permanent next. but first on this day in history, 1938, new york's la guardia airport opened for business and immediately every plane was lifted. in 1965, "turn, turn, turn" by the birds was the number one song in america. and in 1976, castro in cuba --
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the business of christmas shopping already in full swing. that means employers are looking for people to do the ringing up at the cash register. cheryl casone from our sister network, fox business, is here with the top five companies hiring today. i've looked at the list, i heard of all of them. i love all the companies. they're look for workers. let's start are amazon. >> to be clear, they're all still hiring and look for people. yesterday with cyber monday, they were very strong for cyber monday. >> excellent. >> everybody is in the amazon and you can work for them. 80,000 holiday positions available at amazon. thousands of these jobs will turn into full-time jobs. amazon has been on a hiring tear. >> yesterday you did a segment about how they've got a bunch of robots. but they still need actual people. >> they need people for sorting, for package, labeling, things like that. those fulfillment centers. they're opening more and more, including some here in this
area. so that's the first one. >> next up, i love this company, nothing says a holiday like a honey baked ham. >> food. >> i love it! >> so this is the spiral honey baked ham. the founder actually invented the spiral, like the way that you cut the ham. >> i hope he made a lot of money. >> anyway, 10,000 jobs, production, preparing glaze in the hams, customer service agents. a lot of their managers were seasonal hires. they like to promote from within. it's good culture, i will say. >> absolutely. you just said that cyber monday was a very busy day. fed-ex is a place that's looking for people. >> yeah. 50,000 seasonal positions. all these companies are still hiring. don't think they're not. a majority of the seasonal workers will have the opportunity to go full time, continue working even if it is part-time after the holidays and fed-ex has really good benefits. if you can get full time with that company, the health care, the retirement, everything is really strong at fed-ex. they're pretty busy now. >> let's take a look at target.
>> so they're this huge price war right now with wal-mart. they're really kind of going head to head. 70,000 jobs, 40% of last year's hires went full time at target. you get a discounts as well. they'll continue to hire. they're expanding. they're kind of fixing up the stores. >> and finally, sports authority, which is right next to target in my town. >> is it really? >> yeah. >> very cool. if you need some weekend work, a little part-time -- >> i'm off here at 9 request in the morning. >> you've got the time. yeah. all right. so 50% discount if you like sporting goods items. 3500 jobs that are open. store managers, merchandising, sales, things like that. several hundred of those workers will become permanent. i think it's an opportunity you should consider. >> absolutely. and once again, i'm sure today on the business network you're going to be talking about how so far the sales are looking better than on black friday?
>> we're going to be covering retail sales because a lot -- more and more americans are doing their online shopping. and that's where everything is going. everything is listed at cassiniex -- casoneexchange. you could literally, if you walk into a stocks be hired that day. >> every day is christmas at casone exchange. don't miss cheryl on the fox business channel. thank you. >> thank you. coming up on this tuesday, the white house wants more spending to retrain police officers in the wake of the ferguson tragedy. retraining the cops? is that the answer? laura ingraham's got an opinion. she's next. and quiz time. what do goats and harlem globetrotters have in common? the answer next. that's baaad. ♪ ♪ ñi
good morning. it is tuesday, december 2. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. the white house wants hundreds of millions of dollars to retrain cops. what about how the community treats police? where are those points in the plan? laura ingraham weighing in on that straight ahead. and the president threatens to shut down the federal government if republicans do not fund his amnesty plan. but how much is that going to cost? we are crunching the numbers and they are big ones, straight ahead. and caught on camera, wild police chase starts with a stolen car, then ends with a skateboard. not before a reality tv star jumps in to save the day. every word in that tease was true. it sounds like i made it up. but mornings are better with friends. >> it's time for "fox & friends"
. ♪ ♪ >> that isn't sweet georgia brown, is it? >> this is giving tuesday. this is the harlem glebe trotters with some goats, a alpaca and llama. >> in the past we have told you about an organization -- remember a couple years ago, he have time it was my birthday, my wife would buy me a cow that would be donated to people in another country. they've got a similar program, in fact, we've been keeping one of the cows here in the studio -- they've got a program where you can actually donate an alpaca and goats and fresh
water. it's a wonderful program. >> it's a great program. on this giving tuesday, it's great way to share -- >> i could see how a cow could help. how about an alpaca? >> for the wool. >> it gives it up willingly. >> the alpaca is now offended. >> i want to make sure we weren't having alpaca for lunch. >> no. >> he's going to alpaca punch you. >> all right. we mentioned this a moment ago. the cost of amnesty, president obama now saying he is willing to shut down the federal government if republicans won't pass funding for his immigration policy. doug luzader has a calculator in washington, d.c., figuring out how much all that is going to cost. >> reporter: good morning. i need my green gadget this morning. a lot of numbers have been thrown around of the economic impact of the president's plan. let's talk about a couple of them. $40 billion. that's what the conservative heritage foundation estimates will be the cost to taxpayers of the president's new immigration plan. on the other hand, we've got
this number, $350 billion. one immigration advocate says that's how much economic activity will now be done above board. >> these are very strong net positives for the economy, particularly on the fiscal side. continued to pay heavily on the tax side and are the lowest users of government services. >> but is that really the case? you really have to look at illegal immigrants in general, the migration policy institute came up with this analysis of illegal immigrants. 50%, they say, have less than a high school diploma. 31% live below the poverty line. 51% don't speak english well or at all. 65% either unemployed or not part of the labor force. just as anybody with an average tenth grade education, will probably not be a high earner and end up paying less in taxes than they receive in government
services and benefits. >> and that leads us to the earned income tax credit. generally low income earners don't pay an income tax to the government at the end of the year. instead the government actually sends them a check and the administration has been clear about this, that these illegal immigrants will, in fact, qualify for the earned income tax credit. back to you guys. >> because they paid in. doug, we thank you very much. great report. laura ingraham joins us live to discuss all that's been happening in ferguson and post. tensions rising across the nation. now a meeting in the white house. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> $263 million in ferguson spending to retrain law enforcement. is that a great way to spend the taxpayers' money? >> first of all, let's look at what that whole scene looked like in there. when i just looked at the image, the screen shot of that, it looks and reminded me of one of those like thursday night
seminars in college where everyone kind of sits around the table and talk about the world's problems and in the end, they just come up with the same conclusion, basically that the system is rigged; that minorities can't get ahead and that we need to spend more money. and indeed, that's exactly what happened yesterday at this meeting. there is never anything that happens in the country that the president doesn't believe can be fixed with the spending of more money and getting america deeper into debt. indeed, when you see the $263 million that he's proposing, i guess we could find that money somewhere. i don't know. we never talk about where we're getting the money. >> we print it. >> just take it from the military. that's what we're good at. >> and guys, i was thinking about this. body cameras, i think that's an interesting idea and i think obviously it would have vindicated officer wilson early on in this process. but maybe, why not put a body cam on the president, because -- i know a lot of people would
like to know this -- how much time does he actually spend during the day on the u.s. economy? i'm talking about jobs, opportunity for people, expanding economic opportunity, and running the government, versus doing the community organizing around the table. that body cam would be fascinating. so i'm all in favor of spending money on that body camera. >> you know when would run all that, all his video would probably be the golf channel because he does a lot of that. >> great idea. they need some fresh programming. >> about an hour ago we had michael nutter, the mayor of philadelphia on. he was in the meeting with the president yesterday. essentially what he was saying is that the police need to be retrained so they know how to deal with the community. what about the community and their dealings with the police? listen to this exchange we had with him. >> treating people with dignity and respect has to be a part of their job and awful us as public servants. there can be a disconnect. in communities in any city, including our city between how
residents feel about the service that they get, how they are treated in their own community, and if that gap in trust grows, then you have a dangerous situation. i think the president has been balanced in this effort. all of it may not have been completely laid out in the four points, but i think those four points are the right points. >> what do you think? >> how about self-reliance versus self pity? how about conforming our behavior to the law instead of bitterness? how about actually the principles of truth versus the principles of rabble rousing and spreading distrust, which i think this administration has done? actually speaking basic truths. i know that's a crazy concept in america today, but if you punch a cop, if you try to get into his car, if you walk down the middle of the street and rob a store, it's not going to end well. you're either going to end up in jail or someone is going to get
hurt. it would be nice if the president of the united states with all of his education and all of his wisdom and all of his experience actually spoke truths to people and had the community really represented there. there was one police official there, but there were no shop keepers at that meeting yesterday and again -- >> nobody from ferguson. >> he always goes political at these meetings. he never goes pragmatic. and the pragmatic thing is people need jobs. stop giving opportunities away to illegal immigrants. actually focus on getting the communities at work because guess what? when you have to wake up in the morning and you have a job or child to really take care of, you don't have time to be out on the streets burning down buildings. >> sure. charles barkley, to your point and adding on there, said why don't we get practical here and imagine what it would be like without law enforcement doing the job that they're doing? be a wild, wild west. take a listen. >> we have to be really careful with the cop, man, because if it wasn't fort cops, we'd be living in the wild, wild west in our
neighborhoods. i think we can't pick out certain incidents that don't go our way and act like the cops are all bad. do you know how bad some of these neighborhoods would be if it wasn't for the cops? there is no excuse for those people to be out there burning down people's businesses, burning up police cars. >> laura? >> i would argue that the -- who has been more damaging and paid less attention to the true needs of minority communities in the country? the obama white house or state and local police? i would say state and local police has done more to help and assist minority communities than this administration has in the last five-plus years. so if you want to be mad at someone, i'd be mad at the administration that hasn't spend really any time on getting real job, good-paying job noose this country. and instead is more recrimination, none of this is going to help the average minority in this country or working people. >> the attorney general hasn't left yet, was yesterday in atlanta and he was speaking out
and he wants to end racial profiling, which i don't know how that figures into this case, but he came out and said once and for all, he wants to end it and that's the problem with policing today. do you think that was on message or off? >> well, i mean, this is the way they view the world. the racial prism is how the obama administration viewed the world at t very beginning of this administration and apparently it's worked so well for them, not, they're going to keep doing it until the 2016 election. again, i think people are fed up with this. i know a lot of people watching this right now are trying to figure out ways that they can actually buy christmas presents for their children this year. the people who are shutting down those stores, who are blocking the freeways, they're not the modern day rosa parks. most of them are very selfish and most of them don't really care about michael brown. they care about anarchy, chaos, and doing the whole anti-capitalist thing. that's what they care about. the president should have spoken about the dangers of what some of these people are doing on the streets and he didn't.
>> yeah. maybe that's the message today, don't hold your breath. laura, thank you very much. have a great radio show. starts in about 50 minutes all across the country. >> thank you. we turn now to ainsley earhart, a lot to bring you this morning. what's going on this morning? >> thank you. the wife of the leader of isis now being questioned in lebanon. two senior officials saying they captured her and her nine-year-old son more than a week ago using fake i.d. cards crossing the border from syria. officials saying the woman is believed to be one of the wives of isis leader al bagdadi. he was thought to be critically injured during an air attack on november 8. but a few days after that, a new audio tape of him surfaced, calling for an increase in lone wolf attacks. a suspected serial killer wanted for murdering four people in west virginia is dead. police found 39-year-old jody hunt in his truck in the woods. they say that he turned the gun on himself after an hour long manhunt that forced the lockdown of several schools in the area. friends identifying one of his
victims as an ex-girlfriend who filed a domestic violence case against the suspect just last month. before his deadly rampage, he wrote this chilling facebook post: you will not hurt me anymore. you will not destroy my soul and heart as you tried so hard to do. a reality tv star saves the day after a wild police chase near l.a it began when a suspect driving that stolen bmw slam noose a car stopped in traffic, then jumps out with his skateboard, as you can see. he skated away for about half a block with cops on his tail. it all came to an end when operation rico star in the red pick up truck cuts him off. police then took him into custody. >> see exactly what happened, see the guy running with his skateboard and running from the cops. they're right on him. there is six or seven cops. and he got on the skateboard and started moving and it's just instinct. blocked the guy off and slowed him down a little bit.
>> apparently the star lost 150 pounds in the past year, so no one even recognized him. those are your headlines. >> back to you. >> you recognized hip. >> we all did. >> thanks. this coming up, the rioters in ferguson are running wild. but one group of armed volunteers patrolling the town from roof tops is being threatened with arrest. is that fair? one of those volunteers joins us next. and this wasn't on the radar. a weatherman caught by surprise when a playful pup takes over his weather report. good boy. ♪ ♪
oath keepers. who are you guys and gals? >> oath keepers are individuals that come from first responder backgrounds, military, law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics. they're the individuals that put themselves in harm's way to keep others safe. >> so when we hear this, this is a statement i want to read to you. it's from the st. louis county police department saying that you're not obeying the laws. quote, individuals from the group did not adhere to the st. louis county ordinance regulating security officers, couriers and guard. that ordinance prohibits anyone from providing security without first obtaining a license. what is your response to that? >> well, the rest of that has to do with being paid to be there. that wasn't the case with any of us. we're all volunteers. >> sure you are. and i know that there are a number of business owners -- forget about what the officials say. people who own some of those businesses and buildings were thankful that you guys showed up because you showed up when a lot of people wouldn't.
>> that's true. there was a lot of hugs and tears. they couldn't believe that perfect strangers would come and do that for them. >> why did you do it? >> that's what we do. while others run from danger, we run into it. it's part of who we are. that's how we're wired. >> if indeed you are stopped from doing what you are meant to do, what you're wire to do do to help others, what will be the result, john? >> we won't stop. >> why? >> because no one else is there to stand in the gap. no one is there to do the job. that's why we had to roll out and do what we did, because everybody else was standing by. those that were in roles that were supposed to protect the town, they did not. >> i read a statistic that every building that you guys protected
is still standing today. so that's a salute to the fact that the oath keepers were op the roofs keeping an eye on things. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> you bet. 20 minutes after the top of the hour. coming up, while illegal immigrants make themselves at home in the united states, american students now have to pass a citizenship test to graduate. does that make sense to you? >> would you pass? and a football player suing his high school, saying it didn't protect him from concussions. could the case be the end of high school football? arthur and ablow walk not guilty to take on the legal insanity next. ♪ ♪
a kid. i'm just overall a competitive person, so i wanted to beat him. by the time i had gotten to 83, there were just tons more merit badges that were fun left to do and i just wanted to keep going. >> he did, but he ran through all of them. he says the bugling badge was the hardest to earn. but he got it last. brian, over to you and the guys. >> all right. former high school football player now suing the illinois high school association, claiming it did not do enough to protect him from concussions. >> standards, the ihsa has implemented are still fairly below the standards that we think are now the norm in the industry given the state of knowledge that we possess. >> wow. suing. could this spell the end of high school football? here to react, fox news legal analyst arthur aidala and dr. keith ablow. you like this suit, arthur?
>> i like the purpose of it. i like what they're trying to do, they're trying prevent injuries on young people. from a very practical point of view, this is a class action lawsuit. that attorney you just showed, he could get multi generational wealth for him and his family if all of these high school players start popping up from generations past saying hey, i was hit in the head, i had a concussion, now i get headaches every day. by the way, how do you prove if someone really has a headache every day? >> i'm not sure. >> if they know they're going to get a check? >> the attorney is a -- attacking joe, who has his heart in the right place. this class action suit, i know him. i talked to him. i did my homework. >> i know him -- >> everybody knows, everybody knows that hitting your head in football and the fact that you get blurry eyed and concussions, this was a risk. so the fact is, if you knew that and you were the people putting
on this game, if you're the organizers of the game, that's called negligence. it's like i have to take the lawyer to school. >> the protocols in 2003, didn't play past high school. were they in place like they are now in the nfl? >> they're not. but the way the doctor opined, that everybody knew what the dangers are of a concussion, they're going to have to prove that everybody knew that there was a risk and that the risk was -- this suit is not just about money. >> here you impugne the reputation of a great attorney. >> i'm not impugning it. >> i can tell you one thing -- >> don't misquote me. >> the nacc case as well, in that case, he was very focused on achieveing change. >> there are 8 million high school athletes, football players. 140,000 will get concussions on an average basis. so eight high school students did die playing this game. so it's a risk that you have going in.
if these schools have to pay out this money, you have thoroughly destroyed the sport. >> i don't think you have. and guess what? i don't know if it's such a terrible thing if you do medical checks after somebody has a terrible head trauma on the field and you sideline the kid for the game. what's so bad about that? >> here is what the lawyer is saying. everything doesn't have to be accomplished through a lawsuit. you could accomplish this same goal through a series of meetings -- >> lawslaws are made this way. >> it doesn't have to be all the time. >> how can you get that pocket square? >> the suit has to be a very expensive suit. >> i will say this. >> everyone's heart is in the right place. everything doesn't have to be a lawsuit. >> the biggest take away is there is a target on football at every level. >> let's make it safe. >> absolutely. arthur, thanks so much. >> you guys are a handful. >> unbelievable. i can't watch him and argue with
him and everything else. >> they actually like each other, believe it or not. coming up in the next 35 minutes, ray rice free o play in the nfl and now he is speaking out. >> if i never play football again, i'll be honest with you, i would sacrifice more so she could have a better future. >> more from his newest interview out this morning. and quiz time, what do goats and globetrotters have in common? elisabeth has the answer and she also has a coat. ♪ ♪
bought 17 books. including the laughing monsters, being mortal and heart of darkness. or as the cashier put it, are you okay? chicken soup for the presidential saul? you want to get that? >> that is quite a book reading list. >> did you hear what he said about chuck todd's book about him? he said sad. >> a sad picture of the president on the cover. >> is that what he meant? not that it's sad he wrote a book? >> maybe not. from sad to happy a great smile is just around the corner right there with ainsley earhart ready to bring us the headlines. >> you're so sweet. thank you so much. here is what you missed while you were sleeping. the reward for information about missing college student shane montgomery now raised to $25,000. but this morning still no sign of him. he disappeared after leaving a bar in philly on thanksgiving eve. that irish pub now kicking in $10,000 for information as well. bar owners say he was respectful when he was asked to leave after bumping into the d.j. table,
adding he wasn't acting drunk. ray rice now free to play in the nfl with video surfacing of him punching his fiance. now what he thinks it will take for an nfl team to give him a second chance. >> one thing i think that they will have to be willing to, you know, look deeper into who i am and realize that me and my wife have one bad night and i took full responsibility for it and one thing about my punishment and everything going along with it, anything that happens is that i have accepted it. i went fully toward it. i never complained or i never did anything like that. >> four teams expressed some interest and rice is now a free agent. is it an apology or not? st. louis county police and the st. louis rams are at odds over whether a team officially apologized for this hands up, don't shoot gesture. st. louis county police chief
john bellmar claims the rams' coo apologized for his players. but the coo denies this, saying he expressed regret the players he actions were seen as offensive burks never officially apologized. the police officers association called that gesture profoundly disappointing. and here is a weather report that literally goes to the dogs. >> when i have it to reopen it -- hey, king. how are you? live tv. how are you, buddy? it's not your turn yet. you have to wait one more segment. is this going to be on youtube? >> miami weatherman getting interrupted by king, that one-year-old american bulldog mix. king was scheduled to be on the show a little later as the pet of the week. but couldn't wait to become a star. those are some of your headlines. maria has weather here. have you ever had a dog interrupt your weather? >> no, but bring it on. bring the dogs overt we have had dogs on the set and i have done
a weather forecast with a dog next to me who did not interrupt me. let's look at the radar. we have areas of rain and even a little wintery mix across portions of the mid-atlantic early today. as we head into later this afternoon and this evening, we're going to be looking at more widespread areas of snow and also wintery mix developing across parts of new england all the way down to the mid-atlantic. 2003 have a number of winter weather advisories and freezing rain advisories out there across parts of pennsylvania and ohio. so be careful on the roadways. it will get slick out there. across california, much needed rain coming in to areas like san francisco and los angeles. temperature wise, you're much colder today across areas in the northeast. texas, also chilly. highs in the 40s and 50s. and across places like minneapolis, high temperatures there, only in the 20s. now let's head over to elisabeth and brian who are about 20 pete pete -- feet to my right. >> today is giving tuesday and to celebrate the harlem globetrotters have teamed up with christian organization
world vision promoting the importance of giving back this holiday season. here with us now are two members of the globetrotters, alex and herb, along with a few friends. >> nice to see you. i thought it was reverse. i thought you could outjump him, but i'm wrong. >> actually he can at this point in my career. >> but not in this weather. you are freezing. >> he was still able to teach a couple of tricks to us. talk about why you have furry friends with you today. >> we partnered up with world vision, so why not team up with somebody like them. we want to encourage our fans to give to underprivileged communities and a way to do that is going to the world vision catalog and you can find out more about the catalog at worldvisiongifts.org. you can find life-changing gifts such as llamas, cows, alpacas. >> you can get two soccer balls for 16 bucks. whatever you have more of in
your wallet. >> whatever you can give, you give a lot of joy and you also keep people smiling throughout the year with some tricks. can you teach us one before you go? >> oh, yeah. >> you want to try something? >> sure. >> here we go. all right. i want you to go around your back, underneath your leg, off the knee. >> okay. >> around my back, underneath my leg. >> that's pretty good. >> you seem less than impressed. >> all right. for you -- you want to go around the body. okay? like that, back and forth. i think duke it. i saw you working on it. >> i'll try. >> there you go. >> like that? >> that was very good. >> let me trio get the ball from you guys. see if you can trio do that.
>> i need a llama to help me. >> you need a llama? >> thank you for coming down. world vision, a great cause. always providing a smile with great talent. >> giving back to the community. >> jog it in. steve, take it away. >> thank you, brian. coming up, how are we dealing with the new isis threat against our military? by telling them to scrub their social media? really? is there freedom of speech, the latest victim in the war on terror. peter johnson, jr. weighs in on that next. and no dolls or g.i. joes for christmas. the new idea called no gender december attack the toys under your tree already. say good-bye to g.i. joe, barbie. ♪ ♪
god is the reason that we have all this stuff that we have. >> i just don't want children to feel like there is something wrong or something that they should be ashamed of in sharing their faith with their peers. >> disney's response says it was because of censoring software that catches people who abuse the system by adding god to profanity. that was their answer. steve? >> the f.b.i. has issued the strongest warning to date about possible isis attacks against members of the u.s. military. in a memo from the department of homeland security, the f.b.i., service members are told to scrub their social media accounts. quote, for any information that might serve to attract the attention of isil and its supporters. is free speech now the latest victim in the war on terror? peter johnson, jr. joins us live. >> it may be, but it may be necessary. this is first reported on fox back in october. let's talk about the joint bulletin. what it does is strongly urges service members to scrub their
social media accounts, like twitter and facebook. removing anything that might bring unwanted attention or help extremists learn their identities or their families' identities or locations because officials fear copy cat attacks like the attacks that we saw in can did and frankly, what we've seen at fort hood in the past. radical extremists acting against service members here in the united states. >> sure. and it was in october that an air force guy and his son were targeted by social media. they said hey, go after these guys. >> absolutely. the issue becomes is this the first amendment going by the boards because of isil, because of al-qaeda, because of terrorism generally? do our service members and their family have to limit what has become really the face of the first amendment in the 21st century, their participation in social media? obviously it has a point. obviously locations, sensitive
locations shouldn't be given away. obviously family members and military shouldn't say i'm here, i'm over there and then become subject first to internet attacks and then potentially slaughtered by terrorists, which is the fear of the f.b.i. and the department of homeland security. we've had this in the past in our culture, in our history. look at world war ii. there were posters of the government put out, loose lips sink ships. meaning if you spoke about troop movements, if you spoke about where people were, then we might lose ships in the war against the axis powers. then also invoking the stetson hat, keep it under your stetson hat. keep that information under your stetson hat. but at the same time, though we understand that this is a great, great infringement on who we are as a people, that somehow a military officer, a veteran, someone who is a blue star or
gold star or a silver star member or family should somehow disguise their service or be ashamed of it for fear that they or their family will be struck by terrorism. that's the balance that we're facing in this society now. and so i hope that our honoring of service, that our public acknowledgment of service in this country doesn't go by the boards, that there are ways that people can fly the blue star flag of service and that we can honor our patriots in this country without fear of being attacked by terrorists. i think we should spend as much time ensuring that they are safe as warning them about engaging in social media. obviously they need to be smart as we all do. but we don't need to succumb in a total way to their terrorization. >> otherwise the terrorists win. >> and they can't win and they won't win. >> all right. well said.
thank you very much. 12 minutes before the top of the hour on this tuesday. still ahead, attorney general eric holder said he's going to end racial profiling once and for all. one sheriff says racial profiling not the problem at all. his message to the attorney general and your comments pouring in next. first let's check in with hem who are has got the show in 12 minute. >> how you doing? good morning to you. homeland security secretary testifies in the president's move on immigration. there is a big republican meeting this morning at the same time. what is the best way forward for the new majority? we're all over both stories. and a ordained drops out of the race for 2016. so who is in today? is iran helping the u.s. bomb isis? there is evidence apparently. we'll show it to you. martha and i will see you at the top of the hour on "america's newsroom".
welcome back. we've been talking this morning about how the president of the united states has been told you got to do something about ferguson and yesterday he convened a meeting at the white house of religious leaders, civic leaders, and police officers. >> that's right. one individual who should have possibly been there ho had something to say to the president about leadership, law enforcement and communities and how things could actually get better is sheriff david clark out of milwaukee, the county sheriff there. this is what he had to say about his message and what it would have been to the president. >> policing is a local issue. we do not need federal involvement. all they're trying to do is create this situation where the neighborhoods at the local level that need policing the most will get it the least because it will cause people to back off when they really should be aggressive. it's a shame that the attorney
general paints this broad brush of law enforcement officers all across the united states of america. the cops at the street level, and i love street cops -- they don't have a voice right now. i think it's time to push back. >> law enforcement did not have a voice yesterday. not in washington, not in the meeting that they had and not in atlanta with the attorney general where he came back and said, hey, we have once and for all got to stop racial profiling. instead of saying good detective work or we understand what you're up against, there was none of that. there was a lot of protest. he supported the protest that he had to walk through and deal with in his speech, said, i'm not even mad at you. >> it has been decided that this case in ferguson, the death of michael brown that led to the nonindictment of officer wilson there involved racial profiling. nothing has been decided as it relates to that. >> in the "new york post" today on the editorial page, they said that last week the president said we need to accept the decision that -- where he said the grand jury was -- was the grand jury meant to take. it was their decision.
if that's the case, they say that the attorney general should probably stop trying to make this a federal case. >> eric holder, who is out there saying that he's going to stop racial profiling once and for all. >> and come up with -- >> you have the president meeting with some leaders on coming up with a four-point plan, plus that's going to be on the backs of the taxpayer, $263 million, putting cameras on police officers moving forward. but then when you hear from those real boots on the ground, sowf the sheriff, the local feds going in there in terms of police work, their voice were not heard. but yours are on facebook. one stays, the less you have the feds involved, the better it is for the states, counties and our cities in the nation. the locals know what is best for the citizens of that particular state. >> the mayor of philadelphia was in support of the meeting which he was invited to. on facebook, one says, i'm tired of all the criticism of law enforcement. unless you have put a uniform on, put yourself in harm's way, you have no idea what it is
like. >> joanne is on facebook and she wrote this: bravo, at last a brave soul that is willing to tell it like it is. why wasn't he invited to the white house? the sheriff also said that what the white house is doing complete theatrics. that's it. >> one more post, at this point, i agree, they are making it more difficult for the police to protect themselves. thus protect our citizens in the long run. thanks for sending those in. keep them coming. >> also something that was curious is if you're going to have a meeting at the white house, talking about the problems with ferguson so they don't go forward in the future, you would have thought they would have invited somebody from ferguson. and invited some of the protesters, but none of the people in authority of ferguson, which seemed like they left somebody off the list. >> one of the individuals there said that the protests should have happened even before the verdict. that people should have opinion out there -- >> they said riots. they should have been lots of riots before the verdict. >> strong language.
>> yeah. we'll see what happens in the aftermath of this and what are the president's four-point plan gets implemented. we'll see. more "fox & friends" in just a moment. ♪ ♪
rebels and government. and assad will control the four major cities. alep aleppo and others. but he doesn't control the whole country. he says he wants it back. certainly in the days ahead, we can expect many more. hours of fighting. and an increasing death toll, sadly. >> i'm joined now by bob corker of tennessee. senator corker, if you had to give advice on an intimate basis with the colonel president, or the incoming president, what would you tell him to do to try to stop this horror? >> well, look. we've been giving advice for four or five years, chris. this was said to be on the front end of the conflict. it is a blight on human kind.
at this point, the story as it relates to western syria is mostly written. and what will happen will be determined by russia who stepped in, and iran. and certainly assad. so this is a disaster we've known he is torturing his own people. you've seen the holocaust museum of caesar who was documenting this. cutting people's genitals off. it has been going on for a long time. it is as if people are beginning to wake up to what's occurred. as far as advice goes, russia will determine the outcome and the western part. so the real decision is on the eastern part. where isis is. are we going to team one the turks? with the arabs? who are in conjunction the
kurds? or do we do something in coordination with russia? the real what's left is the isis component. we unfortunately led these rebels on. we told them what we were going to do. we cheered them on. we held their coats. and this is what is left. >> what would you have done in? >> it was what was done with secretary clinton. that was to attempt to really give the moderate rebels, when there was a moderate rebel group, what they needed to push back. when the kept weapons were used, the free syrian army was on the move. they had momentum. when we decided not to carry out
that operation to push back, it depleted their montum. it left them in many ways lifeless. that we would not do what women. so there has been a series of efforts. we had the opportunity to create a no-fly zone along the southern border of turkey and aleppo. it doesn't do any good. it is a shame. russia is in there. russia is not going away. how do we move russia to bring down assad? >> you're not going to. it won't happen. the thing can happen is we can hope that we can bring the arabs to the table. they're concerned about iranian influence. and we can hope to negotiate over time.
after years and years and years, but at this point, russia controls what will happen in that area. >> the next president -- let's look at the next president. >> he is not sullied by the lack of decisions that have been made. knew exfocus on the isis on it. >> he has advocated during the campaign a stronger role from vladimir putin and even bashar assad. let's watch trump in action. >> if putin wants to go, i can't understand how anybody would be against it. i've been looking at the different players and i've been watching and i've been pretty good with this over the years.
deals are people. i'm looking at assad and saying maybe he is better than the kind of people we're supposed to be backing. >> your reaction? >> well, look. russia is hitting the folk that we have been supporting for years. in some cases, they're mixed in. but their focus has not been on isis. so the real decision will be, as i mentioned earlier, how do we go forward? do we try to do something? do we try to do so with the kurd era? the coalition has been put together. that's the decision that he has to make. would you support john bolton in
a top position in the new government? john bolton? >> i have made no comments on nominees until they're actually nominated. so let's see what happens. >> i understand. >> look. it is a nomination that has been controversial in the past. i've never really sat down and talking to john bolton one-on-one. until someone is nominated, i don't like to weigh in. >> how about the proposal to move the capital to jerusalem? it's always been talked about but never been done. >> candidly, i've talk to the israelis about it. and i think there is a way to communicate the moving of the embassy. what we have is a kons hat now that only works on the palestinian side. i think there's a way of doing it if you communicate that you're still hoping and working toward a two-state solution. so i know he campaigned on it.
i think it would be something at this point that could not be negative and could be very positive moving things along. so my guess is they will move in that direction. >> i disagree but that's your right. yesterday, the ambassador said they are responsible. >> to the assad regime, russia and iran, three member states, behind the conquest of and carnage in aleppo, you bear responsibility for these atrocities. when one day there is a full accounting of the horrors committed in this aassault of aleppo, and that day will come sooner rather than later, you will not be able to say you did not know what was happening or you were not involved. we all know what was happening and we all know you were involved. it should shame you.
instead, by all appearances, it is emboldening you. are you truly incapable of shame? is there no act of barbarism against civilians? no execution of a child that gets unltd your skin, that creeps you out a little bit? is there nothing you will not lie about or justify? >> that's the u.s. ambassador to the united nations. i'm joined by bob casey, democrat from pennsylvania. i was not getting a lot of response from your chairman, senator corker, about what we can do right now. we see the pictures coming from aleppo. can we leverage it? to petition the country? what can we do to stop the fighting. >> certainly, we can be continuing to make the efforts. that i know the administration has made and secretary kerry has
worked to get more humanitarian aid on the ground and deliver it. and i know that's an ongoing effort. i don't know how to place a metric on that in terms of success or failure but i know they're trying very hard. and certainly the russians have been, most of the time, have not been cooperative. other times they have been cooperative. lately i think samantha powers is right. not just aleppo but all throughout syria. but right now, the most important thing is to focus on getting that humanitarian aid and to focus on, as i will, the new congress. marco rubio and i, the far from florida, we have legislation that we've introduced that focuses on sanctioning. but also, focusing intensively on getting humanitarian aid
there. >> here's what a form he energy minister told engel about the incoming administration. let's watch this. >> the trump election and the new administration the way it is being shaped. it is a gift. he couldn't have dreamed about that a few months ago. >> so trump and his team are a gift. how do you react to that in. >> it is a reality that i think concerns not only me but a lot of the american people. you have this fascination that the president-elect seems to have with vladimir putin. i hope that when he is president, after he takes oath of office, i hope he makes it very clear to the american people that he will be very tough with russia. hold them accountable when they everybody gauge in the kind of
activity they've engaged in in syria. and i think the way he should view vladimir putin is the way i view him. as close to a 24-hour bad guy as you go get in the world stage. constantly intervening. even in our elections as we know now from good reporting. i hope the president-elect will have a different approach. >> two tough questions. john bolton for any top position. would you support him? the man, one of the top hawks in the iraq war. your thoughts. >> it would be very difficult for me to support him. i don't know what will happen in terms of the nomination. >> what about the idea, not the idea but the reality of moving our embassy to jerusalem. is that something that would be good for our relations over there? >> i would hope that we could but i don't think that's likely to happen. we'll see what the incoming administration does.
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i've come the appreciate them of speaker paul ryan. where is he? he has been terrific. and honestly, he is like a fine wine. every day goes by. i get to appreciate his genius more and more. if he ever goes against me, i won't say that. okay? we have some amazing things in store. we're going to work on taxes and obamacare and he will lead the way. we're going to work on the wall, paul. >> see? the old favorites. the golden oldies. the wall. while trump appeared to put ryan on notice last night with their newly forged friendship, it produced big results.
and jeremy peters is with "the new york times." let's talk about this. it really gets to the heart of what will get done. he said, well, he won't approve a spending bill. will paul ryan grew he some grand economic deal? or will nothing get done? >> he has to. let's be honest. paul ryan at some point made calculated risk that trump won't win. what ryan has said since then, he has spoken to people that we haven't been. the key from that footage that you showed, you have to understand. a lot of trump supporters are not necessarily republican supporters. they're trump supporters. and ryan needs them. at the same time, president-elect needs ryan. it is an arranged marriage that you i think it will work.
they're hoping to get the country rolling again. big economic opportunities for everybody. if they don't pass a bill, road building, bridge building, spending money, hiring people, it is all bs if he doesn't do that. will everything along with it? >> ryan is governance. that's what he is in place to do. building bridges. the nation needs infrastructure. we have crumbling roads and bridges and buildings. but at the same time, donald trump said this on the campaign trail. and to make him successful, these two frenemies have to work. and paul ryan is the one to help find the ways and means to make it happen. >> will he force trump in every case, pay for this. pay for this. raise taxes to pay for this. it is a very hard thing to do. if you stip hate the economy. trump wants to cut a lot of taxes and spend money.
>> will they try conduct a scheme like they did? with the gas tax and call it a highway user fee? >> there will be a way to pay for this. yes. it will have to be done in a way that will be palatable to the grover norquists of the world. >> what's wrong with borrowing the money? trump bonds. get them to go out and sell trump bonds. >> this is where the cabinet secretaries will play a key role. his labor secretary. they are going to be deeply involved. >> elaine chao? >> the wife of --? >> mitch mcconnell. this was all very well thought of. >> do you think he got the spouse to get the spouse? do you think trump has figured this out? >> let's point out that she does have experience. >> i just saw her last night. i'm saying, was he thinking of this marital connection?
it was her ability to shepherd it through congress. it is a different story. >> his politics is business and he knows, that's what you do. you final common ground. politico reported that donald trump's son, donald jr., sat in on the interviews and made calls to candidates according to sources familiar with the process. montana congressman ryan zinke was offered the post tuesday. it was an outdoor. he said the only job in government i would want is department of the interior. ends the issues. it is something i will be passionate about. no one gets him more than us. that's the kid talking.
>> the transition team has been very transparent that donald trump jr. is on the transition team. he is someone who is helping us form this. it only makes expense the transition team member was active in the process. >> well, you know, trump does listen to other people for advice. it took him a while to pick the new secretary of state designate. but he uses his kids. can he get away as using his kids in the midst of a presidency? >> i think he will do it and try to figure it out later. i don't think that it matters to him. this is what he has always done. it speaks to how trump doesn't really change. will he stop tweeting now that he's become president? of course not. will he stop going after his
rivals? of course not. >> how does that affect our operation in india in any time he is talking about indiana, he is talking about indian tribes or anything. how does that affect the operation? >> donald trump is falling back on who he is. it is about business. his children very strategic for him. we saw it today when he had a tech meeting. all three were in the meeting. and trump falls back on that. he is trying on final business solutions to our everyday problems. >> can you put your children in a blind trust? >> the stocks have to be in a blind trust. >> the children cannot be in charge of a blind trust. >> they can't be in one either. >> if you look through campaign, every time the kids got involved, they help make better decisions. not worse.
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so taxing -- >> mr. johnson, if i were you, i would quit talking right now. >> i mean no disrespect. >> i will have you know, i was the first female negro student at west vf graduate school on any given day, i analyze friction and velocity. and compute over 10,000 calculations by hand. so yes. they let women do some things at nasa, mr. johnson, and it is not because we wear skirts. it is because we wear glasses. >> the stars behind this great movie are coming here next. it will be great to watchful this is "hardball," the place for politics.
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think you can find me the frame for this data using -- >> the algorithim, yes, sir. i prefer it over euclidian coordinates. >> welcome back. that was the scene from the upcoming flil, hidden figures. the true story of three african-american mathematicians and the key role they played at nasa to launch the first american into orbit. it sets the struggle of equal rights against the space race. even at nasa, african-americans were segregated from their white counter parts. this is a film about women who broke barriers in more ways than one. here's a clip for the trailer. >> katherine! we're all going to get unemployed. >> i'll sit in the back of the bus. >> you have identification? >> we were just on our way to work at nasa, sir. >> i had no idea they hired. >> quite a few women working in the space program.
>> that's john glenn. >> what do you women do for nasa? >> calculate your landing, sir. and i'm proud. >> it's equal rights. i have a right to see fine in every color. >> would you wish to be an engineer? >> i wouldn't have to. i would already be one. >> hidden figures is out in select theaters at christmas time. christmas day and a wider following on january 6. i am joined by those people who made the movie come to life including the stars of the film. taraji p. henson. she is the superstar. and octavia spencer, i've been in love with her for a long time. and you all look very glamorous. you're dressed like bureaucrats. the great kevin costner is here and of course, singer-songwriter, and the director, thank you. i love st. vincent with bill
murray. you just dominate movie. i had to say that. and putting one jim crow and putting one jim crow in a federal institution. what grabbed me in the beginning was, the cop who stopped you guys in your '57 chevy i love those. he stops you in a car and he has the usual color mentality going. on black/white thing going on. and all of a sudden he says you're in the space program. and his patriotism kicks in. >> yes. >> tell me about that. >> well, i think that's the overall message of the story. when we put our differences aside as humans, we're able to move the human race forward. at the end of the day, we're all humans. a mind doesn't have a color. when it comes to calculating numbers, i don't care what color you are. i don't care who you sleep with at night. can you find the math? >> i love the score.
this person that taraji is playing, everybody has to go to the bathroom and everybody knows the experience of having to go to the bathroom now. and then she has, it is like a bad dream. i have to go to a building where there's a colored women's bathroom. and you got this great music. tell me abo the music you put in there. >> man, the music was largely just led by -- >> it is called running. >> yes, sir. that song was just based on a story. when we got the script, okay. these women are living in the matrix of the 1960s where the physics and the gravity for african-americans was much heavier. and it was twice as hoef a woman. so having to run to the bathroom, not only the other side of the building but the other side of the campus. and there were campus bikes. but for women, we forget as men, you know, long skirts, long dresses. so they had to run rain or shine, 30 on 45 minutes round trip to the other side of the campus just to use the bathroom.
>> so ted and the other ladies here, high leels a big part of this for some reasons. maybe it is the photography. the women look great but you're always shooting the legs and the shoes. and one time they get caught. and you almost get killed. it is a wind tunnel. you look great by the way. the guy says, the shoe ain't worth it. when you're running to the bathroom, it is high heels. so women in high heels being african-american in a jim crow setting. we did it all like we do every day. what is so inspiring, they did not allow the obstacles to deter them and stop them from the dreams.
yes, we were dealing with classism and racism. when nasa put all those isms to bed, that's when they achieved the extraordinary together. at the end of the day, we all bleed the same color. >> i think of you all the time in a movie. i think i've seen 13 days a hundred times. and in the middle of a cuban crisis, you have that same time period. it is '62. this movie includes the reality of american high of much better. you can give some of that a pass. how many stories can you possibly tell? if you look beneath the surface, you will final the story. if you are going to tell original story about john glenn.
not the women working off to the side. if you're going to tell that story, there is a moment when he would go or not going. so it would be like telling a joke and maybe leaving out a punch line. there was a moment where he was going to go or not go and it huck on the balance of a young woman who would have to do math by hand. in great story telling, you don't leave out that bit. if we don't learn about these human computers, i can see that story. hmmm, i would have liked to know about that a long time ago. but not knowing about that moment, that should have been a part of what we knew about for a long time. >> he was a good guy, octavia. >> he was a good guy, period. i learned something about him that i didn't know and it made him that much more of an american hero to me. he did something unpopular. he put his hands in the life of
this african-american woman. if her numbers didn't match up, he wouldn't go. >> he wanted to know he was going to land. >> that's key information. they have to get to it. with th ship. but you were in "the help." >> i was in "the help." >> i always remember that meal you cooked up for that white lady. we will always remember that. this tastes interesting. so you've gotten at the jim crow thing from a couple ways now. >> jim crow is a very difficult time to immerse yourself in, but when you're doing a period film, we have agency as contemporary women that african-american women did not have in the jim crow era. so there's something wonderful to be said about the solidarity that we felt on the set, very insulated, ted created a safe place for us to work and have fun. >> i like the way, taraji, you look up at that sign as you go out of the room, colored computers. they still designate you by your
ethnicity. let's take another look at the movie. >> go find your way over there. >> that colonel jim is a tall glass of water. >> that he is. >> tall, strong, commanding. >> and i bet he's like that day and night. >> mary, it's sunday. please have some shame. >> i will not. >> he's coming over. >> now, why would he be doing that? >> because mary's waving at him. >> no. >> ladies. >> fix your hair. >> i'm dorothy vaughn, that's ms. jackson. and mrs. katherine. >> she's not married. she's a widow, with three beautiful little girls. so well behaved. angels on earth is like we like to call her. dorothy, slice of pie? >> excuse me. >> you already have a slice of pie. >> so it's so great you're doing this. i'm so glad you took this project. i'm so glad you took this podge. everybody took it.
because hollywood needs it. it's not a redo, but it's something. >> we need to see this story. we need little girls to see this story. we need little boys to see this story. we need people to know that history wasn't a bunch of white guys in a room. nasa was very diverse. nasa celebrates these women. these women are not hidden from nasa. nasa has been honoring these women for a long time. great to tell the general public that. >> guys, honor to meet you all. >> thank you. >> pharrell, the music gets to even me. >> we can keep the mugs? >> you can keep the mugs, we can get you hats. politics and culture are together. they're the same thing. this collection, whatever you think of it, culture and politics are together. we got to put it all together. merry christmas to everybody. >> thank you so much. >> i was just going to say, you're not mr. straight hour. we've been watching you for years. >> yes. >> and your interviews is and the way that you keep people straight is amazing, and when
people veer off and they don't answer the question there's no one that slices through it better than you. >> thank you. >> that's not in the script. we'll be right back. thank you. ♪ ♪ see ya next year. this season, start a new tradition.
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people that gives me the benefit of their thinking even when i'm not smart enough to accept it. i've known edward jess per, our political expert from boston since we worked together at the white house in the 1970s. we've been friends ever since. he's been in presidential campaigns from george mcgovern, sargent shriver, paul songs a. as a democrat by nurture and an independent by nature. he thinks for himself. he doesn't run with the pack. he spent the good part of the past presidential election giving me the benefit of his thinking. and his thinking would be that donald trump would be the winner. he was writing to me when the pundits were predicting a hillary clinton landslide. he e-mailed me the morning after the election he said that trump would get the nomination because he was the only performer, think about that word, performer out there in the field then. on st. patrick's day, he maled me this, we are awash in donald trump. he may be the best political operative in the modern era.
a mix of lee atwater and bill clinton, yet he's only beginning to be treated by the political insiders. who else was in trump's league during the primaries? on august 21th ed ream e-mailed me that hillary clinton has little improvement room. her image, her being is pretty much set in stone in the people's minds. not much is good for her outside the area of her supporters. trump is no longer la raza but his political raison d'etre, they'll still hammer him but not with the percentage or turnout she is expecting today. for hillary's gang, it will be much like the french generals defending the line. well, ten days before the election, ed wrote that he thought that trump could still win because all the public polling to the contrary, hillary clinton was not running away with it. even in the best of times when trump was saying the worst of
his stuff, killing himself, she was not opening up a significant lead. in his e-mail to me on october 27 was after an obscenely successful nonstrop run on trump by the national forces of morality he called them, i'm running into those who can't vote for hillary. also in that october 27 e-mail a proposal, could you secure, say, a half hour more of your show for a serious discussion of polling? when november 4th, the friday before the election ed wrote me hillary has to get enough black votes in the lock box before the old fashioned vote next tuesday and it appears she'll fail. she's not going to match obama's vote among blacks. why on earth did the clinton people ever think she would? every indication i get is everything is breaking for trump and has been from before the comey letter. if so, it's been my experience that late breaking waves are virtually immutable. everyone wants change, sad to say it may be as simple as that.
benefiting the most are not high frequency voters. >> that's huge. >> their benefit is needed, i think. >> thanks for joining us tonight. that's "all in" for this evening. make sure to stick around because it's veep night on msnbc. rachel maddow has an exclusive interview with tim kaine and mike pence will join brian williams. >> that is true. almost a little weird, but thank you for the preview. it is, in fact, vice president day here on msnbc. vice president or would be vice president day. chris matthews this afternoon had an interview with our current vice president of the united states, joe biden. joe biden is now into a third day of explaining what he meant when he said he wishes he was in high school and he could take donald trump out behind the gym because he wants to get in a fight with him, basically. donald trump today responded that he, too, would kind of like to go get in a fight with joe
in terms of clinton/kaine, they've already outraised trump 2-1, "the new york times" projection as to who is likely to win puts hillary clinton at a 93% chance of winning the presidential election. you might think just in terms of the fund-raising pace, they could afford to ease up a little bit, right? and they might have done that if the fund-raiser were just for them but they're not just running clinton for president and kaine for vice president. they don't want to just win the white house. they want democrats to win governorships and control of congress or to get as close as they can. they obviously want democrats to get control of the senate. for the clinton/kaine campaign, it is pedal to the metal from now till the end.
41 fund-raisers from now until november 3rd. he had five today alone. he squeezed me in between them. that's on the democratic side. on the republican side, it's nothing like that at all. mateo gold at "the washington post" reports tonight that the comparable fund-raiser effort on the republican side is already over. in fact, it ended last wednesday. "the washington post" reports tonight that donald trump did his last big dollar joint fund-raiser for his campaign in the republican national committee last wednesday and he's not going to do any more. there are no further events planned. quote, we have kind of wound down. from here on out, quote, there is virtually nothing planned. it's hard for me to overstate how strange that is two weeks ahead of the election. the repubcan nominee is on track to lose the presidential election largely because of the magnitude of his expected loss, republicans are also on track to
been passing around sign up tallies. but they don't bother to collect the sheets. they leave them there, nobody picks them up, let alone do anything with them. next door in nevada which is to be a swing state although it's turning increasingly blue. watch this. this is a remarkable exchange between the great chris jansing from nbc and the republican party chairman in the second largest county in nevada. right? clark county includes las vegas, that's the most populated county in the state of nevada. washoe county has reno. this guy is the county chairman from that part of nevada. again, nevada's supposed to be a swing state? his county is supposed to be a swing county. swing counties and swing states are supposed to be, you know, desperately fought over at this point. but watch this from the republican chairman of that county. this is just incredible.
>> the tension i'm talking about interviews with the campaign, yard signs, bumper stickers hats. >> yard signs and bumper stickers. >> correct. >> you called the trump campaign. >> 606-[ bleep ]. >> and you say can you have yard signs? >> you say i am the chairman of a swing county in a swing state. you guys need to talk to me. i need 2,000 yard signs, i need 10,000 bumper stickers, and i don't even get a call back. >> that's a swing county in a swing state. republican party chairman there saying two weeks out from the election he had the phone number memorized. we bleeped it there so you don't all call it. but he's got the phone number memorized. he calls the trump campaign every day begging for yard signs and bumper stickers and didn't even get a callback. what are they doing that's more important than trying to compete in swing counties in swing
states with county chairman that need specific help? what's the trump campaign coulding if they're not doing that? what is the trump campaign, is it just a traveling road show for donald trump to appear at events in front of crows that like him because that makes him feel good. whatever the trump campaign is now and whatever they're planning on doing for the last two weeks, it is unusual. "the washington post" again reported tonight that trump campaign has effectively cut off the republican party and stopped even trying to help other down-ballot republicans save themselves. and politico.com was the first to report tonight that the republican party in response is hitting the panic button. the panic button is apparently labeled dark money and they punched it big time tonight. according to politico.com this evening mitch mcconnell's senate super pac in conjunction with karl rove -- remember him -- mitch mcconnell and karl rove
have somehow instantly conjured out of the dark money wilderness a whopping pile of $25 million million which they just announced tonight they'll start shoveling into six contested senate races. they're announcing that tonight. the fastest they can start spending that money is tomorrow. that means they've got $25 million to spend on senate races over 13 days. if they also spend on election day itself. that is a phenomenal last-minute money dump. and who knows where that money came from? incredibly while they've decided to do that through the mitch mcconnell super pac, the nominee decided he'll coast to the finish. no more republican party fund-raisers, helping nobody, where can i go to find somebody to tell me that they love me.
he does remain on the top of the ticket. he continues to be the republican party's problem and he continues to be the presidential nominee of a major political party. as such he continues to be subject to scrutiny, subject to the kind of full body mri, the kind of full body background check that the national media does on everybody who runs for president. and we have something new to report tonight. the ongoing reporting on donald trump's background tonight has turned up something new and something dramatic and something very, very, very inflammatory that we have got here exclusively next. ♪ go paperless, n't stress, girl ♪ ♪ sdriver ♪ acct-free ♪ everybody put your aps in t aor me ♪ go papees don't stress, ♪ i got the discounts at you need ♪ ♪ safe driver ♪ accident-free ♪ erybody p your flaps in the air for me ♪
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federal justice against their real estate firm. that lawsuit by the department of justice claims that the trump management company systematically refused to rent to black people. african-american new yorkers would apply for an advertised vacancy in a trump building and then they would just never hear anything back from their application or be told that the vacancy was listed in error and actually that unit wasn't really available. one crucial part of the investigation in that case was an equally qualified white new yorkers would show up at the trump company and they would inquire about those same apartments, magically, the suit alleged the apartment would be back on the market and available for the white applicant even though the black applicant had just been told that that apartment was gone. that doj lawsuit against the trump company was ultimately settled when the trump company signed on the a consent decree
where they would desegregate their properties, start renting to black people. that's one of the allegations against the trump corporation for racial discrimination, over the course of this presidential campaign it has become a hot point of contention. hillary clinton raised it in first presidential debate. trump said that the consent agreement reflected no admission of wrongdoing, then after he used that as a rebuttal, newspapers and news outlets have looked into those allegations to the way that suit was settled to the other suits that were brought against trump real estate properties. today alone the las vegas sun published an account from a woman who now lives in nevada who says she was one of the white people who was sent in as a tester at trump properties after a black applicant would allegedly be told that an apartment was not available, she'd show up as a white applicant with basically the same qualifications and she'd be offered the apartment. that story today in the las vegas sun. the woman recounting her own
experience in being involved in the lawsuits. mother jones had another story tonight on additional discrimination lawsuits brought against the trump organization not in the 1970s, but in the 1980s. i can now tell you that nbc news has been working on a report on the way the trump company allegedly discriminated against black people in rental housing. in the course of the investigation they've turned up what we have exclusively tonight, a troubling eyewitness account from a man who worked as a rental agent at a trump property. he says it was basically his job to do the discriminating. he says he was instructed directly to slow walk or outright reject potential tenants if they were black because they were black. but listen to this. listen to what he told nbc news when he was asked exactly how that instruction came to him and who was in the room while it
happened. >> just take me back into that room. so you were sitting in the room and he was there. describe the scene to me. >> a black lady completed an application for an apartment in the building, a one-bedroom apartment, as i recall. and it was a very professionally application, it was checked and verified, there were no liens, no judgments against her. and she was calling me on a daily basis wanting to know the status of her application. one day mr. trump and his son donald came into the office, and i asked fred trump what i should do with this application because she's calling me constantly. and his response to me was you know i don't rent to the n-word.
put the application in the deck and forget about it. >> so fred trump used the n-word and told you we don't rent to people like that. >> that is correct, yes. >> what was your response? >> i was employed by them. i did what he said. >> so this is the raw tape of an nbc producer in that diner right, noisy diner, interviewing this rental agent who worked at a trump property and in the course of explaining basically how he says racial discrimination worked at the trump organization back in the day when they were deciding who to rent to, he just mentions that young donald trump was standing there alongside his father when he says, the father instructed this rental agent not to rent to anybody who was black and he says, when donald trump's father explained that his policy was not to rent to anybody who was black, what he actually used
was the n-word to explain that policy while donald trump stood right next to him. obviously, given that donald trump is now running for president, that's a very inflammatory allegation. the producer goes back to the rental agent to clarify that this is exactly what he's talking about. do we mean you to say that donald trump, the man running for president, was there when that happened, when that language was used? >> he said put it in the drawer, forget about it. you know i do not rent to the n-word people. and that's what i did. >> and donald trump was right there? >> donald trump was right alongside his father when i wans instructed to do that, yes. >> so this is obviously a very explosive allegation about donald trump and his time working with his father at the trump organization in the 1960s when he would have been a very
young man, also in the 1970s. just to be 100%, 1,000% totally clear, the producer goes back to the rental agent, asked him again, are you sure that donald trump witnessed his father explain this was discriminatory policy, would not rent to black people but used the n-word to explain that. are you sure. >> when his father told you not to rent apartments to people of color, what was donald's response? >> and he shook his head, that's the way it's supposed to be. agreeing with his father. >> again, this is exclusive content. this has never been broadcast before. this is material obtained by nbc news just over the course of reporting this story within the last few weeks. what this rental agent says is a very specific, explosive allegation against donald trump
personally, in terms of what he witnessed and went along with and signaled his ascent to as a young man working in his father's organization. now, the trump campaign has responded to that specific allegations tonight. they gave us this response on the record. quote, that is total nonsense. that's their formal response from the campaign to these allegations. but i want to show you also -- so you understand where that reporting came from, here is how nbc news is contextualizing this allegation. here's how they're folding it into their overall story about discrimination by the trump organization at the very start of donald trump's real estate career. >> it was 1963 in new york city and maxine broup wwn was lookinr a place to live in queens. she applied for an apartment owned by donald trump's father.
>> they asked what kind of job i had and they were surprised to hear i was a nurse. >> but she wasn't welcome. >> i was turned because because of my color. >> stanley leibovitz was the agent that took maxine's application. >> fred trump came into my office with his son donald at his side. i asked him what should i do with the application of miss brown. he told me take the application and put it in the desk drawer as he does not rent to people of color utilizing the n-word and donald trump shook his head agreeing with his father. >> by 1967 state investigators found that out of some 3700 apartments in trump village only seven were occupied by african-american families. by 1973 donald trump was the president of trump management. and she was a teacher looking
for a place to live. she went to a difficult trump building also in betweens. >> i was black. i don't think it looked good in their estimation to have black people living in their facility. >> she says there is no doubt in her mind that donald trump continued the practices of his father. dependent of justice alleged an employee was told to write applications from african-americans with the letter "c" for coloreds. >> he said there were no apartments, that was not true. >> she wouldn't have spoken up had donald trump not brushed off the company's bad behavior. >> it's important that history not be erased. >> donald started his career back in 1973 being sued by the justice department for racial discrimination. >> annette was part of that lawsuit. >> we, along with many, many other companies throughout the country, there's a federal lawsuit, were sued.
we settled the suit with zero, with no admission of guilt. it was very easy to do. >> court records show it actually wasn't so easy to do. three years after the settlement, the department of justice went back to court saying trump was not complying with the settlement agreement. four years after that, the trump organization was again taken to court and the class action lawsuit alleging a pattern of discrimination. some 20 years after maxine brown was turned away. the trump organization and several other landlords settled the class action in 1984. sheila norris was one of the white testers sent in to a trump building the day after a black applicant was told no apartments were available. >> when i got there, oh, the superintendent greeted me with open arms. oh, yes, come, i'll show you the apartment. >> morse was offered a two-bedroom apartment. annette has kept her documentation from that complaint all those years ago
although she says she hasn't looked at it in years. >> it feels like the time has come to tell the story. when donald trump says that, you know, they did not admit guilt, that may be true, but the fact that there was guilt had to come out. >> reporting by nbc news investigative reporter cynthia mcfadden. the trump campaign has made a formal response to nbc news on this story. hope hicks says, quote, there's absolutely no merit to the allegations. the suit was brought as a part of a nationwide inquiry against a number of companies and the matter was ultimately settled without any finding of and without any admission of wrongdoing whatsoever. it is not true this lawsuit was brought against a ton of companies nationwide. the first one in particular was specific to the trump organization, but they're sticking with that response anyway. now, in response to the very
specific allegation by stanley leibovitz, that rental agent who worked with the trump organization at the time and who says explosively that donald trump stood alongside his father and nodded approvingly when his father used the n-word to describe who they do not rent to, the campaign tells us that that is, quote, nonsense. they're not offering a substantive rebuttal against the allegation. they're just giving us that response. nonsense. we're 14 days out. vice presidential candidate tim kaine is here tonight for the interview.
when i sat down with tim kaine today i think i asked him a question he's never been asked before. you have been a missionary in honduras. you have been a civil rights attorney. you have been a city counselor, a mayor, lieutenant governor, a senator, have you ever had a female boss? >> that's a great question. >> my interview with tim kaine is next.
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last week democratic vice presidential candidate tim kaine was chatting with reporters. they were talking about the upcoming debate, which was last wednesday. and he was saying how well he thought hillary clinton was going to do in that debate, kind of normal stuff, what you would expect. then he unexpectedly turned into mr. mysteriouso. the cryptic spy versus spy version of tim kaine. what did this mean? >> i don't think there's any doubt about is she going to be up on the substance. she is up on the substance. but the demean matters as well. >> have you spoken to her about the debate. >> we have chatted about it. i say chat generally because i'm trying not to reveal all the means by which we communicate. but we've done it a couple of times. she's are excited about it. >> i'm trying not to reveal all the means by which we communicate? what does that mean? tonight he explains.
and it turns out it's exactly as spy versus spy mr. mysteriouso as you might thing it is. joining us for the interview, i'm very pleased to say, is the democratic nominee for vice president, virginia senator tim kaine. senator kaine, thank you so much for being here. we've never met in person. >> i've been on with you on remote, but glad to be on set. >> the last time you were with me on remote you were saying there was absolutely no chance that you would be chosen for vice president. >> i had been through it eight years before and never thought it would be me. i had the same intuition this time but not intuition is correct. i'm thrilled to be on the ticket with hillary. >> you have been a missionary in honduras, a city rights attorney, a governor, a senator, have you ever had a female boss? >> that's a great question. when i was a practicing lawyer,
i had cases where the main lawyer was a woman. but that's it. i served as two mayors on city council, they were both men. when i was lieutenant governor, my governor was a man. when i was dnc chair i essentially reported to the president. this would be the first time i had a female boss. i hadn't thought of it that way. >> i wonder if it gives you any -- if it gives you any means of reflecting on not just the historic nature of potential first woman president but some people's shpilkus about that, whether or not people are able to voice it as a criticism that it's an unusual thing. >> it is. but i love it. i'm a civil rights lawyer. i love breaking barriers down and doing new things. our nation does it best when we're doing that. when hillary asked me to serve as her running mate, i just thought of all the strong women who helped me be the -- i've won eight elections. i've had women campaign managers and campaign secretaries and
donors and volunteers and voters and i've been able to be the one with my name on the bumper sticker and yard sign. when she asked me, i get to now play a supportive role. that's what the vice president's main job is to a woman who will make history, to the president who will preside over the celebration of the centennial of women getting the right to vote. the next president will preside over that. as much as you normalize by a woman president, a woman can be anything, my job will maybe that strong men should support strong women in whatever capacity. >> in terms of your relationship with hillary clinton, obviously you knew her before she asked you to be on the ticket. >> yeah. >> you made this cryptic comment where you said i won't comment on the exact means by which we communicate. i was thinking -- >> we're training some carrier pigeons so they can't be hacked. >> do you have to think about that, the ways that you
communicate? >> we do. and we're spreading the zone, i'm here, you're this, we cover more ground, but we do communicate a lot and by different means. we knew each other, but we don't know each other as really good friends. i didn't have that kind of relationship with her. in the last two weeks before i was named to the ticket, they thought maybe we should get to know each other. but it's been great. we're both midwesterners, we grew up in republican small business families. a church was a part of who we were. i get the milieu from which she came and it's similar to mine. >> you mentioned bill clinton and you mentioned strong men supporting strong women. have you given any thought, have you part of any planning in terms of what it's going to be like to have a former president in the white house -- barack obama is staying in d.c. when he's no longer president.
bill clinton will presumably be in d.c. as the president's spouse if you and hillary clinton win. and then there's hillary clinton who will be the president. what sort of thinking or planning is going into dealing -- >> we're both superstitious. but we talk about this a little bit. we had a really good conversation about it saturday. but we're not ray suming we're winning. there's a transition team thinking about some of these. actually if you look at it, hillary will make history, president clinton will make history as the first man, first spouse, but also as a president as first spouse. i'll make the least history of the four. but to be a vice president to a woman president and with bill clinton in the white house and my wife -- is my wife second lady if there's no first lady? so there's no complete playbook for this? but that's cool, too. there's traditions that you honor. but it's also something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. you have to make your own traditions. the ability to create the model a little bit is exciting.
>> in terms of the division of labor and career interests in your own family, i know you described yourself as a feminist. >> absolutely. >> you talk about these things in feminist terms but your wife was secretary of education in virginia when you were named to the ticket she gave up that job. >> yeah. >> she's supporting you full-time. presumably if you're elected she'll move into whatever we'll call that job. how hard was that for you to navigate? do you have any regret about that? >> i do. if you had ann here, she'd answer it differently. so i think my wife has given up a lot to support me. she was a juvenile court judge and really loving her job when i got elected governor. she could have continued in that role. she wasn't required to step down. but she decided there are things i can't do on the bench that i think i can do as first lady. she helped reform the virginia foster care system. i view that as a sacrifice her giving up that job. she said it was an opportunity for me to take my judicial
experience and now do a big leel reform. i think she feels the same way. as secretary of education, she has been a real passionate advocate for the profession of teaching. and that has been a central focus of hers. the head of the department of education has to be responsive to teachers and a million other constituenci constituencies, but that's an umpire's job. but she can advocate for school boards, teachers, ptas, i can carry on the good work that jill biden and michelle obama has done around military families. so i felt sad for her when she said, i think i need to step down, but she said, i just want to make sure that hillary clinton's president, i don't want to be worried about if i have enough vacation days to go on the trail for her, i want to go campaign for her. >> senator tim kaine talking to me about what it's like to work for and with hillary clinton and what it means for him as a feminist and a politician to be
in that role. strong men can support strong women. also clarifying that he and hillary clinton do communicate by secret means in order to keep their conversations safe from prying eyes and hostile hackers. i don't think he meant it in terms of carrier pigeons, but that is what he said. also saying when he was with secretary clinton this past saturday one of the things the two of them had a good conversation is what's going to happen with bill in the white house? what is going to happen with bill in the white house? more ahead with vice president contender tim kaine. stay with us. it's not theoretical. saying stop spending in the red states. do you feel it? >> i do. hey look, it's those g
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the best republican showing there in -- sorry, the best democratic showing there in 20 years was still democrats losing by over 20 points in utah. i mean, if utah is now a toss-up, if a democrat might win utah this year, then the one thing i can tell you is that the democrat will not need to win utah this year. it would be an astonishing statement to win it, right? but is it a good idea to spend resources to make that statement. if things are going well that you're also going to win going . should they just spend what and where they need to to get to 270, then dump everything else they've got into trying to win other races, in the senate, the congress, the states? it's not a theoretical question anymore as it turns out and not an easy one for the campaign to answer. and that is next with democratic vice presidential candidate tim kaine. ♪
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a little discord in blueville. earlier this week "the new york times" reported that some members of the congressional black caucus want the clinton/kaine campaign to stop trying to win the presidential race in deep red states because even though those states might be winnable in terms of trump versus clinton, down-ballot races are not as important as the downfield presidential race. clinton may be in a good place but i don't think the party is in a good place yet. i asked senator tim kaine about that tonight. watch. let me ask you about some of the political decisions, the hard political decisions that you and the democrats are making right now. >> yeah. >> it's been -- as a spectator sport it has been fascinating to watch you go to utah. you've got this op-ed in the
deser et news right now. we've got polls in texas, there's a small ad buy that you just did in texas. as a spectator it is fascinating to see you guys playing on that side of the ideological number line in our country. at the same time, though, it feels like there's a real opportunity cost right now in terms of money, these last two weeks, it would be hilarious if you won utah. wouldn't it be better to spend that money trying to elect a few more members of the the house from indiana or anywhere else in the country where you can build up your majority in congress? >> yeah, this is the four-dimensional chess that we're playing. it's all based on analytics. do you go for some extra electoral votes or take that money and try to build a bigger margin for a senator. my feeling, having been dnc chair, too, in a presidential year, almost the best thing, almost always to increase your
success in congressional races is just to do really well in the presidential election. >> sometimes true, like '96, that wasn't necessarily true. republicans held on very well in congress even though when bill clinton beat bob dole badly. >> beat him badly. they're counterexamples. but usually the up tick in a presidential year, so it's worth doing as well as you can on the up ticket. north carolina is an interesting state where the up ticket is not only helping the down ticket but the down ticket is helping the up ticket because there's such a move among progressives in north carolina that the governor has painted the state against its traditions. we have to win that state and win the governor's race. in each state, we're assessing what can we do, can we win, and the tide goes to if we can win and get colleagues elected too -- >> congressman butterfield from north carolina.
>> great friend, great congressman. >> a shrewd tactician. he's being outspoken about this, we know you have to balance things but you're making the wrong call. you're not doing enough for dow ticket. does that critique coming right now, it's not theoretical. he's saying stop spending in the red states, start spending down ticket. do you hear him? >> we do. we had a really good rally at north carolina central. he made that point to me, and i assured him, look, you know, we're looking where opportunities are. an example is a state of georgia. georgia's a state, significant minority population. polls are close. if we could get over in georgia, this would create something really positive long term that would be great for the entire party, great for the black caucus, great for democratic future, because it's one of the ten largest states. we could get that back in. it would be great.
and we are not foresaking north carolina. i have been there so often, and president obama and michelle obama and hillary and preside clinton were all there a lot. but when he makes the case you got to listen, because he is very, very good at this. so all of this, we're factoring in, so i haven't, i wrote an oped for the desert news, but i haven't been to utah yet. did a campaign event in air and a couple in texas, but i'm real yeah in a few others. >> you guys feel like you're effectively strat lly straddlin. >> you make choices on the fly. we want a congress that we can work with to get some things done. >> tim kaine tonight on the hard choices democrats are making now. they're basically trying to max out the presidential win in as many states as possible while also doing the max for democratic congressional races
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it is. >> this is the most divisive one. there are a lot of kbod people in this country who are dyed in the wool, true-blue republicans. >> yeah. >> whether or not they're going to vote for donald trump. i don't know what's going to happen to the republican party after this experience with trump as their nominee, but does there need to be a grand gesture from you and president clinton if you two are elected in november. does there have to be some sort of overture, some sort of welcoming place in the administration for republicans? >> i would hope so. i would hope so, or in policy. look. >> more than just a token cabinet officer? >> i would hope so, and look, i think there's going to have to be a grand gesture on the behalf of the gop to say gop does not equal trump. gop does not equal trump. and if we govern, of course, we have to govern for everybody. so there has to be an effort to reach out the. and hillary are kind of talking about that, again, not presumptuously. we have to win first, but what
does that look like? one thing that will help us a little bit, give us a little bit of a head start as i think we're going to get a lot of republican votes. john warner, who is the iconic political figure in virginia gave a full-throated endorsement of hillary. he didn't even mention donald trump's name until the last sentence. he talked about what a great senator hillary clinton was, because he was on the committee with her. and i think we're going to have a lot of people on the coalition that got her elected. but that begins a little bit of the outreach. vut burden to govern, you have the burden to govern for everybody. >> no donald trump on the cabinet, though. >> i think that's highly unlikely. >> thank you for the time. i know you're busy of the. >> i'm happy we could do this. >> vice presidential candidate
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i think we will enjoy the snow. [laughter] >> bill: ahead, watters on some harsh winter weather and global warming. >> what do you think about my hat? >> it looks warm. it is it made of wool? [laughs] >> bill: caution, you are about to enter the "no spin zone." "the factor" begins right now. ♪ >> bill: hi, i am bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. a stunning display of dishonesty from the national press and radical left politicians. that is the subject of this evening's "talking points." last week, about 680 undocumented aliens were arrested by i.c.e. officials countrywide. many of them have already been deported. the coordinated raids targeted aliens who had committed crimes in the usa, mostly felonies. 75% of those taken into custody had convictions, including
homicide and rate. gunman arrested in chicago, an iraqi citizen with a conviction of sexual abuse of a victim unable to consent. many of the arrested nonfelons were associated with the criminals. but those facts have largely gone unreported by the american press. and by the radical left, which is actively misleading you. >> what took place yesterday with raids and personal homes is part of the cause of the trump deportation machine. >> how inhumane this is to be breaking down peoples doors, separating parents from their children. >> this is donald trump executing his campaign plan. he is trying to be a tough guy, so, he will go after the maids, the moms, the people that are working in the shops come instead of going after the hard-core criminals. >> bill: maids, moms, shopkeepers, according to that dishonest politician. now, the false news reporting,
no, you did not. even after president obama said this. >> what we should be doing is setting up a smart, legal immigration system, that doesn't separate families come but but does focus on making sure that people who are dangerous, people who are gang bangers, are criminals, we are deporting them as quickly as possible. >> bill: that is exactly what president trump is doing exactly. but the illegal immigration issue has been set up by the media to demonize mr. trump, as a racist and a brutalize her of the poor. that is what is really going on here, a set up. it is flat out. if the federal government cannot remove aliens who commit serious crimes in this country, then, we don't have an effective federal government. yet, the far left and the press, knowing full well that the
i.c.e. raids last week were directed at dangerous people, chose not to report that. instead, smearing president trump. we have now reached a low point in american journalism. as for the far left, they are people who do not want any immigration enforcement. they want open borders, they want alien criminals protected, they want anarchy. why? because they don't like america as it stands now. so, it is very important for all honest citizens to know you are not getting accurate information and that there is a radical element in this country that wants to destroy it. if this continues, there will be a breaking point. and that is the memo. now, for the top story reaction, joining us from illinois, nationally syndicated columnist ruben navarrette. so, ruben, i'm very, very concerned about this blatant
dishonesty, the reportage of the week. are you as concerned as i am? >> good to be with you again. i am concerned. my vantage point is of one who wrote about the 3 million deportations carried about by the barack obama administration. i going to get a lot of the liberals to join me on the front lines. i could not get them worked up and excited. now, it has been surreal to watch the last 30 days or so, they woke up one morning and realize that people were being deported out of the united states for the last eight years, i thousand people of daye united states. what is new is a liberal outrage. >> bill: but these are criminals in the trump administration, most of them were targeted criminals, to be fair, the obama administration, as well. they sent back border trespassers. but the i.c.e. raids were not directed at what that politician said, the chambermaids, they weren't directed at tearing
from secretary of homeland security john kelly, who said -- >> bill: 75%, ruben. >> he said it was a targeted plan that was already in motion and planned before trump took office. >> bill: trumpeted didn't wanted, trump could have stopped it, but he didn't. he is targeting criminal aliens. yet, the liberal media won't tell you that, speed nine! they are not going to tell you that! >> i agree with you. they also didn't tell us that when barack obama was doing it. i think it's a rose have to be careful not to play obama's gain, which is to deport the maids and housekeepers, just say the maids and housekeepers, don't doctor them up with gang bangers. >> bill: let the policy be written but the dishonesty of the arbitrage on the raids last week under the trump administration was off the charts. i don't think i have seen anything like it. >> i agree. it was surreal. there is of the same people who at one point told me not to write about deporting people,
the fact that brock over my head end. >> bill: they wanted to cover it up for the obama administration but they are using it as a club against trump, same people. >> they discover their humanity of outrage in the last 30 days. in the old days of obama, they supported him, voted him, wanted him to succeed. >> bill: i disagree with you a little bit. the obama administration did target, though, the worst among them. people who -- >> that's what they want you to believe, bill. >> bill: people who were deported and come back again, i believe, deserve to be targeted. ruben, always a pleasure to talk to you. next, on the rundown, we will talk with a former i.c.e. agent about the raids and what we can expect in the future. then, a personal attack on donald trump and his supporters ramp up. charles krauthammer has some thoughts on that moments away. who switch from geico to esurance could save hundreds. so if you switch to esurance,
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viewers to watch their channels out there. so, they are not going to say, these are the bad guys, these are the felons, the gang members, they are going to say,y shouldn't be doing this to you, it's about money, as well as politics, is it not? >> it may very well become a yeah. >> bill: ratings. all right, and your experience, does the trump administration doing anything differently than the obama administration? >> i think there is one very small difference. the executive order that president trump issued on immigration has returned to the line level officers and agents the discretion to make arrests for people who are in the country in violation of immigration law. regardless of their criminal histories. so, in doing these targeted operations, which clearly were targeting felons, dangerous criminals, if they encounter someone who was in the country
in violation of law, instead of looking like the other way, as they are required to under the policies of the obama administration, they have the discretion to arrest to someone and initiate -- >> bill: you use the word discretion. what the i.c.e. people tell us is, if the illegal alien is not deemed to be a danger to the country, all right, they let them go. >> they do. they are not detained. they may put them into the process, initiated removal proceedings, but still have to -- but they are not going to detain them. you are right. they don't have the bed space to detain people like that. they got to prioritize who they detain it with a nod. >> bill: we appreciate it very much. thank you, directly ahead, charles krauthammer on the personal attacks president trump is being subjected to. later, watters talking to the folks about climate change. those reports after these messages. ♪ tech: don't let a cracked windshield ruin your plans. trust safelite.
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>> bill: "personal story" segment. it seems hard to believe that president trump has been in office for only 25 days. the outcome of the countries in an appropriate part of that includes personal attacks leveled at president trump. >> we have a president who is delusional in many respects, a pathological liar. >> how did we get a pathological liar in the white house? where are his lies coming from? why do so many people believe him? what can we possibly do about it? >> i just want to thank president agent orange for perpetuating all of the evil that he is perpetuating throughout the united states. i want to thank president agent orange for his successful attempt -- >> bill: joining is now from washington, charles krauthammer. ronald reagan, george w. bush, they got hammered by the personal stuff but nothing like this.
so, what do you think the effect is, it's not going to get any better, and it's going to get worse, on the general population? younger people? a civil discourse gone forever in this country? >> look, it is clearly going to have an effect, the younger people will grow up in an atmosphere where this kind of stuff is the norm. i wouldn't disagree on one point, about this being completely new. george w. bush received as much abuse as any president i have ever seen. in fact, i'm the one who coined the phrase "the bush derangement syndrome" because of the fact that so many people on the left were attacking him in ways that were deranged. they were over the top and it was a personal animus. he was called a nazi and all that. so, we forget. the difference is this, that set in after the iraq war. it was a reaction to something
that bush had done. today, it is trump, who has only been in office for 30 days, i mean, for three weeks, and he has got this reaction, it is a visceral, personal reaction. i do think it can only have a negative effect. the problem is, he feeds back into it with his own infective. then, you get a new generation, raised in an atmosphere, where there are no adults in the room. >> bill: throughout our history, we have had presidents that did fight back, like mr. truong, andrew jackson being the most notable. but they were presidents like grover cleveland, and people like that, who did that kind of thing. but now, the mass media and social media transports every tweet, every insult by not only the president by by those attacking the president, right into everybody's computer and machine. so, i think, this is going to
poison -- poison -- reasonable discourse going forward. there is no coming back from it. a pretty black. but i think that is is what's happening. >> i'm not sure that is what is happening. the reagan years are pretty bad. the problem is, he was so amiable. clifford was the democratic wise man who coined the inimitable phrase that reagan was in amiable duns. you couldn't hate reagan. you could think he was wild, you can think he was a fascist, whatever. but it was hard to hate him. after a lot of invective against him, you had to the bush senior years, they were fairly quiet. the clinton years were pretty rough. the guy was impeached, after all. it went a long way. so, i think we have had some pretty rushed for -- >> bill: but the media didn't serve up the attacks on clinton. they came from primarily
political sources. >> the media were as hard on them as any democrat. the media, of course -- >> bill: it wasn't a personal thing. you remember the mantra, that is promoted by the media, as well, the big city media, that it is only about. that is all. yo big deal, you got to ignore it. this is coming about -- this came from the liberal media. they pushed it. now, every single day, trump is this, trump is that. high school kids in particular, i think i'm a college kids, they don't pay attention, but high school kids, they hear this stuff, and you saw it last week in new york city, i don't know what you saw, watters' report, with these kids went out of class to protest. we caught up with them and they didn't know what they were protesting against. they were yelling ridiculous logos they had no idea what were they were saying. >> but that means less than anyone else. high school students have no idea what is going on.
it is like the occupy wall street people. you interview them, they had no idea why they were there, it was fashionable. the first blast of a cold winter wind and they were gone and scattered. i am not sure that matters. also, young people, they do grow up. it takes a little bit of time. >> bill: but some of them. >> the 18-year-olds become 35-year-olds with two kids and a mortgage. and they stop acting like snowflake idiots. so, i'm not so sure that as a permanent phenomenon. i do think i might want to let you off the hook here, trump contributes to this by giving back in his own way. you know, crooked -- it might have -- >> bill: it got him into the white house. >> but that makes it worse! you got a positive incentive to go ahead and do this. he will be imitated by others after he comes and goes. that is what i think is going to hurt. >> bill: i am not justifying any and hot among them, to the man come attacks in anybody.
we don't do that here. it is all fact based here. but i don't know, in this vicious climate, all right, i think trump has got to fight back. whether he does it in another way man, maybe they should have a big meeting. last word. >> they got to take away the twitter machine. that is the trump into speaking. and he is strong enough, he got enough subordinates, who can carry the fight. he needs to be above the fray. a little bit more. i don't think he'll ever do it. that is not his nature. >> bill: if success starts to roll in, he might. if failure rolls in, he won't. charles krauthammer, everybody. plenty ahead as a nazi he moves ahead this evening. the radical left continuing to bring up the nazi in relation to the trump administration. brit hume has some thoughts on that. then, watters talking global warming with the folks. >> how many degrees has the earth's temperature resin and
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joining us from los angeles, leslie marshall and katie pavlich. i don't know -- i didn't even know they were trump home products. >> now you know. >> i am an ikea guy. i'm a simple man. i don't need my house to look like a palace of louis the 14th. but this is also sudden. all of a sudden, ivanka stuff is going out the window, and trump's lamps are going into the basement. what is this? >> first of all, i had to fact-check you and say that ikea furniture is not simple to put together. everybody's goal in life is to buy furniture that is put together rather than the kind you get her mic but i do also like ikea. in terms of what is going on with the ivanka trump brand, it is very clear that her brand is suffering from the campaign, which is essentially a liberal mob that doesn't just go after brands they don't like, but goes after their distributors or the retailer stores that dare to sell that brand. >> bill: what is the mob?
what is the name? >> grab your wallet campaign. we have seen this before. it is not good enough for liberals to disagree, they have to destroy the livelihoods of those they disagree with. >> bill: grab your wallet is a web site? a social media thing? >> it is a web site that details all of the companies like nordstrom's, sears, that cell ivanka trump or donald trump products. >> bill: for the sole purpose of telling their readers not to buy the stuff, to her the retailer that sells them? >> there is also an adverse effect, another consequence, if the stores decide to continue selling these products, there is picketing outside of the store, threats, customers will be intimidated into not buying these products. one thing to vote with your wallet, another to deny -- >> bill: we had to figure out who is in charge of the steps and we can put their pictures on television. do you agree with that assessment, leslie? do you agree that this is a grossly undemocratic intimidation? >> i don't think it is intimidation.
i think it is extremely democratic. although it is politically motivated, obviously, they were are those that are saying, we lost to the ballot box, so, we are going to use our wallets and our purses -- >> bill: let me get this straight. you you don't think threats of picketing and disruption in a private business is intimidation? >> i don't think that saying, i don't want to buy products -- >> bill: this is not what this is about. according to katie -- leslie, listen to me. that's not what this is about. according to the web site, they are going to disrupt the business if they continue caring products they don't like. you say that it's not intimidation? >> i don't think that a hashtag on twitter and a web site that lists all of the companies that carry products with the trump name is intimidating. i think what it is doing is educating people as to where they are spending their money. >> bill: you know, education -- wait, katie.
education is supposed to present both sides of the story. not a hyper- partisan point of view. that is not education. it is propaganda. is it not? >> listen, bill, in a classroom, i would agree with you. >> bill: you use the word educated -- >> educating somebody or giving information on twitter with a hashtag or a web site, that is not always going to be fair and balanced, you know that. >> bill: go ahead, katie. >> one thing for an individual to decide i am not going to stand by her and bonnie on ivanka trump or donald trump products. that is one thing. another aspect for the grab your wallet campaign to go after the stores that dare to sell these brands. this is not isolated to ivanka trump or nordstrom or the stores. we have seen us across the board. if you don't want to sell a wedding cake to a certain couple, then, you will be destroyed financially. if you'd have a political
disagreement, the firefox ceo, if you dare gin up or something you believe in, your entire life will be destroyed. a leftist tactic, taking a different form. >> bill: last question, real fast. you believe that nordstrom's and sears and the other stores have caved in? you believe they have caved in because of this far left web site? that's if you believe, katie? >> i don't know if it is caving in, i think they are seeing a result of this boycott -- i guess, they would be caving in. they are responding to preventing that type of disruption. >> bill: there are just as many people who like president trump, who could buy from these stores if they were motivated. ladies come a to debate, thank you. when we come back, brit hume on the radical left using nazi analogies to criticize president trump and his supporters. and it watters talking climate change in chile new york city. coming right back.
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person, who despises president trump. after her criticism of the president, at the golden globe awards a few weeks ago, mistry per herself received criticism. she didn't like it. >> it is terrifying, a target on your forehead, they set you up for all sorts of attacks. the only way you can do it is because you have to, you have to. [applause] >> bill: now, ms. streep makes mention of brownshirts, the arm of the party, earlier and hits hitler's rise, led by a man named er's room. it essentially thugs, they beat people up and disgrace their country. hitler eventually had the leadership murdered. what ms. streep seems to be implying is that the criticism of her after the golden globes
came from nazi like people or something. joining us from florida, brit hume. do you have any idea what meryl streep was trying to say there, brit? >> i think she was signaling to the audience in the room, which no doubt has no use for donald trump than she does, that she is one of them. and that she wants them to believe, i guess, that she is courageous for taking on donald trump and that she has been subjected to this nazi like behavior, i guess come on twitter, or wherever else, from people who admire mr. trump. so, i think that it is what it is about. and it is not uncommon these days to hear these veiled or not so veiled references to fascism and's and many conjunction to donald trump. i think it is spectacularly ill-informed and nearly hysterical. there is a lot of it out there. >> bill: reported a call miss
streep to come on the program and talk about the history that she refers to. what bothered me about it most of all is that she seems to be saying that if you criticize her comments about the president, that you are a nazi. the brownshirts, as you know, anyone who knows history, were vicious animals. they were too gross for hitler, if you can believe it. he killed them, the leadership. they every tenet of civility. so, when you are going to make a comparison to killers, that is with the brownshirts were, to people who criticize you for your political comments in america, that is inappropriate, i would think. that is inappropriate. >> i suspect would happen here, bill, i was pretty critical of donald trump at times during the campaign in the early going, and particular, and his supporters came down on me on twitter pretty hard.
they said some pretty ugly things. but that is one thing. i suspect, those are words. i didn't enjoy it. i didn't take it all that seriously. it never occurred to me to draw an analogy between these pro trump people who were pretty ugly at times and anything remotely comparable. it is just way beyond. >> bill: there is a difference between gross speech, which happens on both sides of the political spectrum, every day, and the violence that ms. streep is referring to. what are bots? do you know what bots are? >> bots are short for robots. you can set up, for example, on twitter, you can set up basically a bot account, the effect of which will allow you remotely or without you being present to repeatedly post a tweet over and over again so people will see it. it is an automated form of
tweeting. you can use that. having said all this, bill come i want to add one thing. first of all, meryl streep is a spectacularly great actress, no question about that. some of what she is saying is not too far off from some of the things that are being said, even by some of mr. trump's conservative critics. you hear autocrat, you hear something close to the word fascist being used. so, if you think the way she does, and are inclined to think the way she does, you don't have to look far these days to find people -- >> bill: it's a difference between us those comments, they are leveled at the president. she categorized people who criticize her, and i'm sure she did get some gross stuff, as you did, as nazis. and that is wrong. all right, brit hume, everybody. here he is. watters on deck. the global warming edition. "the factor" is coming right back as we continue all throughout the usa and all over
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population is living at sea level, they are going to have nowhere to go. it's because that is a very interesting line of reasoning. >> we better extremely about those people. >> it's true. with donald as president. >> how big of an issue is global warming? >> not a big issue. i don't really care. >> i don't think it is big at all. just look out behind us, it is freezing, it is no way, it is cold. >> i can feel my arms! >> it is a big issue. >> how many degrees has the earth's temperature risen in the last couple of years? >> i'm not a meteorologist. [laughter] >> i can see that. >> what do you think we should do about global warming? >> whatever we can do, we should do. >> did i not tell you just to do it, do it. >> i don't think you can do anything. >> what you think happen if we do nothing about global warming? >> sea levels will rise, we will be underwater. >> so, we could go swimming together? >> that sounds nice. [laughter] ♪
>> oh, boy. [laughs] >> you guys, grab your suits come i will meet you down at the pool. ♪ >> who do you guys think is responsible for global warming? >> the companies, especially like cattle farming in brazil. they take on a lot of trees just to make grass fields for the cows. those trees are filters for the world. >> don't you like a nice day, though? >> i will have a steak sandwich and a steak sandwich. >> who do you think is responsible for global warming? >> humans and cow parts. [laughs] >> people that drive trucks. >> you are blaming truck drivers? >> come here. i want to give you a big sloppy kiss. >> all the carbon monoxide, whoever is in charge of that, probably them. >> or it's just the natural course of the world is taking and we can't do anything about it. >> what do you think you could do to fight climate change? >> we all have to use our vote and get rid of this guy, donald trump. >> oh! >> do you do anything to fight
against global warming? >> i don't use a lot of water in my home. i always turn off the sinks and showers when they are running where they are not supposed to be. i do recycle. >> carpal. >> followed this global warming, i would hate to see global cooling. >> jesse, honestly, educate your viewers, really. >> you are better than that. ♪ >> what do you think about my hat? >> i like it. very tropical. >> i got a cockatoo here. >> i like cockatoos. [laughs] >> i think it is ridiculous. >> it's [bleep] amazing. >> i like your hat. can i touch her pom-pom? >> it is fox for >> it is fox? >> i am from fox. >> there is a movie called -- they had to fight a little and we have left. >> do you think we will all live in waterworld? >> basically. >> i think you are already living in it. >> i am watters and this is my world. >> oh, i like that >> oh, my god! ♪ >> bill: watters, i know i
will get a lot of mail on where people can get a hat like that. i'm sure almost everyone does. >> you can buy it at trapeze.com. >> bill: what is chubbys? >> a web site that sells really short shorts and crazy hats. [laughs] >> bill: how would you know about chubby's? >> because i have seen it on the internet. you know what the internet is, right? >> bill: no, i don't know what bots are. were you looking for really short shorts? >> they threw in a free hat with that. >> bill: is that it was you were looking for? to short shorts? is that a requisite for your new program on the weekends? [laughter] >> we do things differently on the weekends. >> bill: i would say. you went to a web site, and you got the ugliest child you could find? >> i thought we were going to talk about global warming. >> bill: this is far more important. far more important than global warming. that is man-made right there. god had nothing to do with that. >> the girl from russia goes, what is that, squirrel for?
[laughs] >> bill: she was embarrassed, you know that, right? she comes to america to try to see what democracy is and you were standing there with that hat. that is going to drive her right back to moscow. she is on a plane right now. all right, watters, very good, i guess. "the factor" "tip of the day," another good deed. "the tip," moments away. (vo) when it comes to valentine's gifts, helzberg diamonds knows bigger isn't always better. our beautiful diamond heart pendant is just $299.99. that's $200 off! helzberg diamonds. here's to love. tech: don't let a cracked windshtrust safelite.plans. with safelite's exclusive "on my way text"... you'll know exactly when we'll be there.
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cares. that itself was an interesting thing to watch at the time. presidential nominee absents himself from the party platform process. interesting. but what was way more interesting than that, what was riveting and bizarre to watch at the time that we couldn't make heads or tails of at the time was the trump campaign's one exception on the party platform. even hope the they let this other stuff slide, that was very much not in keeping with trump and the campaign, they did decide to get up on their hind legs and fight and intercede aggressively for one specific thing in the platform. one specific part of the republican party platform, and that was a thing about russia. there was a proposed plank for the republican party platform that said ukraine should get help from the united states up to and including lethal weaponry so ukraine could fight off russian incursions.
and you know what, the trump campaign let everything else in the platform slide. even stuff that might theoretically have bothered them but that, that ukraine and russia thing, they jumped right up on that and insists that plank only, that one, had to be taken out, that language could not stand and it was weird at the time and there was a lot else going on in presidential politics, it was the conventions, right? but even then as the russia/trump questions continued to percolate and got more acute over time, ultimately trump the candidate did have to answer for what his campaign did with the platform at his convention. >> why did you soften the gop platform on ukraine? >> i wasn't involved in that. honestly -- >> your people were. >> yeah. i was not involved in that. i'd like to -- i'd have to take a look at it but i was not involved? >> do you know what they did? >> they softened it, i heard, but i was not involved. >> i was not involved.
in addition to the candidate himself denying having anything to do with it, his campaign manager paul manafort, who had done all that work in ukraine, he also denied having anything to do with it. >> there's been some controversy about something in the republican party platform that essentially changed the republican party's views when it comes to ukraine. how much influence did you have on changing that language, sir? >> i had none. in fact, i didn't hear of it until after our convention was over. >> where did it come from, then. everybody on the platform committee said it came from the trump campaign. if not you, who? >> it absolutely did not from the trump campaign and i don't know who everybody is but i guarantee you it was nobody on the platform. >> so nobody from the trump campaign wanted that change in the platform? >> no one. zero. >> so after the republican convention the candidate himself denies having anything to do with it. his campaign manager paul manafort denies having anything to do with it, denies that neither he nor anyone from the
trump campaign had anything do with it. how did it happen? don't know, must have been fairies. now that bizarre non-explanation, those denials, have fallen apart because now a former trump campaign official has 'fessed up about it. he's a former trump campaign official named j.d. gordon and he says as a trump campaign official at the time taking orders from the trump campaign at the time he's the one who did it. he says now that he was the one who interceded in the republican party platform to get this language that would keep russia happy and he says he did it specifically at donald trump's request. >> gordon says he was a part of the effort that was pushed by the trump campaign to put some language in the gop platform that essentially said that the republican party did not adcate for arming the ukrainians in their battle against pro-russian seratists. that was a big issue flaring up at the time of the republican convention. that effort was successful in
having that language in the republican party platform. and i asked j.d. gordon, why did you advocate for that language? and he said this is the language donald trump himself wanted and advocated for. >> this is just one thing that happened on the trump campaign. it was weird at the time. we got these denials that seemed implausible about it for months, now it's falling apart. why now? why are people from the trump campaign now admitting that, yeah, they did change that plank in the republican party platform to make it nicer to russia? why are they admitting it now after denying it for months? i don't know. but tonight as i said, this breaking news, politico is reporting that the fbi is on to this now, too because this russian citizen who worked with paul manafort reportedly visited paul manafort while he was running the trump campaign at the time and he reportedly later told people that what he came to the united states for last summer was to get that language
obtaining testimony from christopher steele for the inquiry into the trump campaign and ties with russia. adam schiff told us last night that his committee "certainly will want to get to the bottom of the details of that dossier and report what has been substantiated, what hasn't and find out how mr. steele based those conclusions. he told us "if it's an issue of him not wanting to appear, him not wanting to face questions from the whole committee we more than welcome his cooperation in any manner he is comfortable. if it's an issue about whether he is willing to come before the committee, i can say i am more than willing to go to him. i know there are other members of the committee who would join me in that." that's an unusual offer from the top member of the intelligence committee. i will go to you, sir, i will go to a foreign country to get your testimony. stay where you are, we can come to you. this is a guy who thinks he has safety issues. this is a guy who has been in hiding for weeks in fear for his own safety ever since he was
revealed as the author of this dossier of alleged russian dirt. the reason i raise the issue of that dossier in conjunction with this new information about the trump campaign now admitting that, yeah, they did change the republican party platform to make it more pro-russian, the reason i raised these two things together, that dossier and finally us getting an explanation on what happened with that ukraine and russia plank and the republican convention, the reason i raised these together is because one of the baseline allegations of that dossier is actually -- it appears to be about that platform change. one of the things it alleges is allegedly a quid pro quo between the trump campaign and russia. "the russian regime has been behind the apparent leak from the democratic national committee to the wikileaks platform. the reason for using wikileaks was plausible deniability.
the operation has been conducted with the full knowledge and support of trump and senior members of his campaign team. in return, the trump team has agreed to sideline russian intervention in ukraine as a campaign issue. and again i have to stress that we need to describe this dossier as an unverified dossier of russian allegations against donald trump. but everyday now, everyday i lead my show and i think i'm going to be talking about something else but everyday a new piece of it falls in place and this is just the latest one. in the last couple of weeks and days, even into tonight more pieces of it are falling into place. the trump campaign used to deny that any of its staffers, anyone related to the trump campaign had any contact with any russians during the campaign. well, no, in fact, meetings between trump campaign people and russias have led to the resignation of the national
security adviser, that's led to the recusal of the attorney general of the united states. the trump campaign as of last night is not only admitting a trip to russia by one of its official foreign policy advisers during the campaign but as of last night they're now admitting this trip was authorized by the trump campaign at the time he went to moscow. now politico.com is reporting what is basically a direct russian tie to that change in the republican party platform to benefit russia last year. if politico's reporting is accurate, the fbi is looking into a russian national who was previously suspected of ties to the russian security services and they are reportedly looking into his role in what the trump campaignowdmits were its efforts to -- what is it? "sideline russian intervention in ukraine as a campaign issue." to take russian intervention in ukraine out of the republican party platform as an issue. it's everyday another piece of it gets corroborated.
so we will all continue to describe this dossier from christopher steele as unfounded and unsupported and that is true when it comes to the dossier's baseline allegation that the trump campaign not only knew about but they actively supported the russian government's attacks on hillary clinton and the russian government's hacking and intervention into our presidential election to benefit trump but even if that is as yet in itself uncorroborated and undocumented, all the supporting details are checking out. even the outrageous ones. it seems like a new one each passing day. now the author of this dossier has surfaced in britain and he's okay. about any u.s. investigation of this matter. seems like a very important question whether or not investigators are going to talk to him, whether they are going
to get testimony from the author of this dossier. with each passing day more parts of the dossier get supported by the facts and previous denials by the trump campaign, whether it's about jeff sessions, michael flynn, carter page, about the ukraine platform, whether it's about paul manafort, their previous denials are falling apart. and we are also learning more in dribs and drabs about the law enforcement investigations and counterintelligence investigations that are under way into the trump campaign in russia and we are learning more dribs and drabs everyday about what the intelligence committees in congress might be able to do in their investigations, whether or not they do it. so we're learning more about what happened. we're learning more about what bull pucky the trump campaign denials were on this stuff. we're learning more about these investigations. what we're going to talk about tonight in part is that there is up with other piece of this that is getting clearer each day and
it's something jeff sessions has not recused from and the intelligence committees are not thinking about investigating it but it's starting to feel like an urgent matter and that is the question of what happened after the campaign. that's the question of whether russian intervention into u.s. politics into high level top level u.s. politics, whether it stopped during the campaign or whether it is still happening right now inside our government. and that sort of upsetting story is next. various: (shouting) heigh! ho! ( ♪ ) it's off to work we go! woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. these are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen,
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yesterday at the state department nbc news intrepid veteran reporter andrea mitchell became the personification of pushy persistence trying to get the new secretary of state on the record on anything. >> again, welcome. >> reporter: mr. secretary, china said there will be consequences for the deployment now of anti-missile defenses in south korea. >> thank you. >> reporter: can you respond -- >> thank you. thank you. >> reporter: can you respond to -- >> thank you, we're leaving. >> reporter: mr. secretary, can you respond to the threats from china? >> thank you. thank you. thank you. let's go. thank you. >> reporter: mr. minister, are you sure the trump administration will be strong against vladimir putin. >> thank you, guys, we're leaving the room. thank you. andrea, press are departing the room.
let's go. >> reporter: we haven't had time in here. >> i'm sorry, you need to leave. let's go. let's go, guys. >> andrea mitchell is a very nice person but she's obviously dogged at her work and at the end of the clip you can see how frustrated she is after secretary of state rex tillerson has given absolutely no response to any questions after andrea and other reporters were pushed out of the room at the state department by state department staff. it's clear, state department staff know andrea well enough to be on a first name basis with her. they have seen her at the state department for years if not decades but the secretary of state won't say a word. won't say a word. and you see the look on andandre face there. i think part of the reason andrea seems so frustrated is this isn't a one time thing. this keeps happening. this is the second time a few days andrea has been put in this position.
ii mr. secretary, can you do your job with the kind of budget cuts the president has proposed? what does it say about the priority of diplomacy in this administration? >> thank you, everyone. >> reporter: do you think you'll have a deputity time soon, sir. >> let's go. thank you, we're done. >> reporter: when do you think you might have a deputy? >> andrea, please, let's go. andrea, come on, guys. >> this way, thank you. >> out, please. out. >> when we first played that tape a few days ago my reaction to it, you might remember, my reaction to it spontaneously was raise your children to be reporters. it's amazing tape of andrea mitchell and how she works and how hard she pushes to get information out of people in power but you know what? in addition to being an interesting thick there to see in terms of what it means to be a reporter and how hard she works, there is something very
serious going on there. what andrea mitchell was asking there -- what did she say? "do you think you will have a deputy any time soon? when do you think you will have a deputy? can you do your job with the kind of budget cut this is president has proposed. do you think you'll have a deputy?" you know what, there is no deputy to rex tillerson at the state department. and his public appearances really are just silent tableau vivant of smiling men shaking hands and not answering reporters' questions. that's it. when rex tillerson first arrived at the state department he gave a speech to employees in everybody thought he seemed nice but he hasn't held a press conference or made sustained public remarks of any kind since then and immediately after he introduced himself and said "hey there, hi there" to the state department staff, they immediately started firing all the top people at the state department. particularly the career people who hadn't been there through president obama. they were there through george w. bush before that and clinton before that and george h.w. bush
before that and even reagan before that and even carter before that. i mean, as soon as tillerson was brought on board they fired four of the longest standing top career diplomats at the state department who don't turn over with new administration. 150 years worth of experience. when one assistant deputy secretary of state said what an honored the been to be a foreign service for 40 years but now they're telling me i have to go. those are the people they cleared out, people with 20, 30, even 40 years at the state department. all the institutional memory in the building. the people who form the spine of america's foreign service in a non-partisan way. the career people, the core, these have been the headlines, right? trump administration asks top state department officials to leave.
or this one, it's a bloodbath at the state department. or this one, state department carries out layoffs under rex tillerson. two more senior diplomats leaving the state department. they emptied out the whole suite of senior foreign service officers as soon as rex tillerson got there. and after that while he was leaving on his first foreign trip they laid off a whole other round of diplomatic officials with decades of experience, the most senior people in the building. those are not obama appointees. these people who have been the institutional memory and the core of the state department for years as presidents come and go. they have cleared them out and are not replacing them and there's not a deputy for rex tillerson at the state department and state department officials are not attending meetings between the president and other foreign officials. he likes to bring his son-inaw instead. and the state department only yesterday rearted its press briefings which have continued daily since the 1950s before
they stopped abruptly on the last day of the obama administration. they only restarted yesterday and they're no longer going to be daily. and when the office of management and budget announced the state department is in for a 37% cut in its budget, 37% we haven't heard a peep from the secretary of state about that. apparently 37% cut won't be a problem. looking at that thing happening in washington, turn the telescope around and look through the other side. look through the other side in terms of what is going on in this part of washington. if you're russia, whether or not you have a personal preference about who you want to be president of the united states, if you're russia, what you want is an end to the unipolar world where the united states leads the west and you're not part of that. if you're russia especially under vladimir putin you have no desire to be part of a western alliance of free count reis, in part because you don't think it's in your interest to be a
free country and you don't want to be part of something led by someone else. once upon a time around the fall of the soviet union there was a brief hope russia might end up being a member of nato. yeah, no. under vladimir putin instead russia has decided not just to continue to define nato as its great enny the world but to set off a hooptie knockoff. russia wants the united states the world. they love being seen as a competing military power to the united states even though the russian military is in no way comparable to the mesh military other than when it comes to nuclear weapons. if you're russia, you like being seen as a military power. you don't have an issue with the united states and russia being seen as competing military powers. if you're russia, what you hate about the united states, what you hate about the u.s. government, if you want to find
a specific bull's-eye for it, it's the u.s. state department. because the u.s. state department isn't military force. the u.s. state department is mesh leadership in the world. the u.s. state department organizes the world to support international organizations, to support the post war stable world that america leads. the u.s. state department is in charge of soft power, supporting american led interests with countries around the world. the u.s. state department does support dissidents in russia and critical media in russia. the u.s. state department calls out russian elections as hillary clinton did in 2011, calls out russian elections as neither free nor fair when there's evidence that russian elections are neither free nor fair. the one existential threat vladimir putin fears in his own country after 17 years in power, the one existential threat he fears is a revolution by his own people. an arab spring type uprising by
russians against him and when there have been big protest movements in russia that have threatened to rise to that level putin has raged against the u.s. state department for supporting, no, for orchestrating those protesters. if russia did run a massive intelligence operation to affect the outcome of the u.s. presidential election, do we think they'd see that as it its own reward? that's enough? okay, now we're done? or once you've done that is it time the reap the benefits of that? donald trump never met rex tillerson, the ceo of exxon, before the psidential election. rex tillerson absolutely had met vladimir putin before the presidential election. he was considered to be the u.s. citizen closer to vladimir putin than any other. he received the order of friendship from vladimir putin personally, the highest civilian award that russia gives to non-russian citizens. somehow rex tillerson ended up as the u.s. secretary of state under donald trump who he'd
never met. and under rex tillerson, the u.s. state department putin's greatest nemesis in the u.s. government, under rex tillerson, the u.s. state department has kind of disappeared. when the state department put out its annual human rights report like it does every year, criticizing russia like it does every year, this year there was no public rollout. the secretary of state didn't even announce it, they did no public events, why stress the issue. that is usually the highest high profile thing the u.s. state department does all year. this year they just press released it. don't say a word. the more we learn about the traump campaign and ties to the russian government, the more clear it gets that american investigations into that, they need to be aggressive and independent but i want to propose that it is also becoming clear that russia didn't intervene in our election because they like the cut of donald trump's jib. the more we learn about it, it doesn't seem like it was
personal. it seems like it was to get specific stuff out of the united states. actions by u.s. political figures to benefit russia. things like the republican party taking out of its platform that ukraine should get lethal weapons to fight russia and fight off those russian incursions. they wanted change. they wanted change by u.s. political actors to benefit russia. they wanted actions taken to benefit russia and also we have to ask whether they wanted actions by u.s. political figures to weaken the parts of america that most annoy and most undermine vladimir putin. is rex tillerson secretary of state because russia needed somebody to stand by as secretary of state while the state department was hollowed out, disappeared, and muted? because that's what's happening under him. we absolutely need an investigation of trump and russia. covering the campaign and before. with each passing day it becomes more clear.
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against our democracy, apparently because he has a personal beef against me. in the fall of 2011 they had "parliamentary elections" which were so flawed, so illegitimate that it was embarrassing and i basically said based on independent observations and analysis this was an unfair not fry illegitimate election. >> hillary clinton at a private event in december in new york saying vladimir putin tried to influence the u.s. election because of his personal beef with her based on his time as secretary of state what she's talking thereabout is documented. during those anti-putin protests in russia, the one time he came closest to losing his grip on
power in the 17 years he's been in power hillary clinton as secretary of state was out there reminding everybody who would listen that the election that just took place in russia were in her words neither free nor fair. >> post this past election in our country hillary clinton tried to explain to her support supporters why russia did. what she just explained was the saheory of the case as this guy, ex british mi-6 officer christopher steele who resurfaced in london after going into hiding for weeks after buzzfeed published his dossier in january. the dossier asserts that there was collusion and cooperation between the trump campaign and russian intelligence about the russian attack on the u.s. election. in that dossier, the explanation for why russia did what they did in part was this.
"putin motivated by fear and hatred of hillary clinton." and you know, like many things in that dossier that has started to seem less nuts over time. when the u.s. intelligence committee released its report the u.s. intelligence agency said it, too "russia's goals were to undermine faith in the democratic process, to denigrate secretary clinton and to harm her electability and her potential presidency." the dossier, the christopher steel dossier, it alleged there were repeated contacts between members of the trump campaign and russia officials before the election. the trump administration denied that aggressively for months but we know that to be true. the dossier mentioned a meeting between trump foreign policy adviser carter page and a senior russian official in july of last year. this week the trump campaign admitted it happened but that the trip was sanctioned by the campaign at the time. last night we reported on this senior russian diplomat, mikail kalugin who was working at the
russian embassy in washington, d.c. he's accused of being the pay master who handled the money side of russia's efforts to hack the election. the dossier reports that in august he was withdrawn back to moscow after he became the target of u.s. suspicion. well, in fact, that diplomat really did get called home to moscow and now we know, based on reporting from mcclatchy, that when he did get recalled to moscow, he was under suspicion by u.s. authorities for his potential role in the russian attack on the election. so this crazy-sounding dossier keeps coming back. now after two months spent underground its author, christopher steele, is back. last night on this show the top democrat on house intelligence made news. he said he was determined his intelligence committee should talk to christopher steele, should talk to the man who compiled this dossier. we'll have more on that in a second. but you know admittedly, right, some of this, the consequence is done, right? admittedly it's done.
i mean, you know what hillary clinton is doing tonight? she's posted a snapchat video. she got a new hair cut. she's posting a snapchat video for women's day, international women's day saying every issue is a women's issue so stand up and resist and run for office. she's on snapchat, meanwhile, donald tru is president and apparently tonight he just appointed his ambassador to russia. his nominee will be jon huntsman of utah. you know, in 2012, donald trump derided jon huntsman's own presidential ambitions saying that as ambassador to china jon huntsman "gave away our country" to them. well, now apparently that's just the guy to give away our country again. this time to putin, though, this time the russia the russia connection is about the election. it's about what happened to our country with this last presidential election. i recognize the election is done, but it's also about who is running our government now and
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it's like a one-stop connect-the-dots reference guide lying out all the open source non-classified stuff that we as americans know right now about the russianection tohe trump campaign. this is very handy. this is a u.s.ful thing for a member of congress to do for his or her constituents, right? if constituents have concerns about links between russia and our new president, this is a public service. congressman swallwell is an active investigation of the house. he sits on the house intelligence committee, he's the top democrat on the subcommittee that deals with the cia and he joins us from washington. good to have you with us tonight, sir. thank you for being here. >> thank you and greetings from castro valley high school trojans who are at the heart of my congressional district in the east bay. >> as a three letter athlete from the castro valley high school trojans athletic department, i am very embarrassed by you bringing that up.
but thank you. let me ask about your decision to post this sort of guide for your constituents. you've posted a lot of connect-the-dots information about this russia investigation. >> a lot of work on this issue is classified. i wanted to let my constituents know that russia is not our friend. a lot of young people think they're just a cold war adversaries but we posted a lot of atrocities in syria and ukraine. then we walked through the trump-russia ties which are growing everyday. from there we point out the different changes in positions we've seen from trump officials from jeff sessions to the platform committee's changes and the president himself and then, of course, we point out the interference campaign russia ran and lead everyone to the independent commission that i and elijah cummings for and every democrat has supported in congress. we wanted to walk them through so they understand bit by bit what the evidence is in this case so you have called, as you
mentioned, for an independent commission. a 9/11 style commission to make it out of the partisan-controlled committee process and to investigate this as a non-partisan independent thing. i think my take on this increasingly and as far as i can tell from feedback from my viewers, people who i talk to, i think a pretty widespread feeling about this investigation is that if it is conducted by the justice department, which is run by trump campaign official jeff sessions, if it is run by the intelligence committees which are run by two trump campaign officials in richard burr and your chairman in the house, there's not much confidence that those investigations will be both aggressive and independent that said, nobody seems to be biting on the republican side about your idea of for independent commission. should we be worried these won't be independent investigations? >> i'm worried because the trump team and many of my colleagues
failed to show impartiality on this issue. as each day goes by we know russia is sharpening their knives. that's a finding in the intelligence report and we know other adversaries with similar capabilities will look at what is the united states going to do? i have to give credit to one republican, walter jones, he's joined our call for an independent commission and he's put country before party before. he was the first one to speak out against the iraq war. >> one of the things i'm starting to feel like is going to become a further avenue of investigation is whether or not if there was quid pro quo between the trump campaign and the russian government. if there was, in fact, collusion or cooperation, if they knowingly interacted with russian officials who were attacking our election in this way they must have promised something, they must have offered something. there must have been a thank you they planned to deliver and that may not have been during the campaign. it may have been something they plan to deliver during the administration. is it your understanding that
the intelligence investigations would extend to encompass what's going on now in the administration? whether any of those favors might be being paid back in the way the u.s. government is being run now by president trump? >> it has to and it has to look at what the consideration may have been because all the dots here in this investigation continue to connect and the biggest question, of course, is were any of these contacts or ties that the trump team had with russia, were they working with russia as they ran the interference campaign and now what we're looking at is whether u.s. policy toward russia is also changing. that would be pretty powerful evidence that they were working with russia and that russia is now getting something in return. congressman eric swalwell, member of the house eric swalwel man who represents the town where i grew up, which is just a coincidence. sir, thank you very much for being here. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, rachel. >> all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. ( ♪ ) i moved upstate because i was interested in building a career.
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>> jesse: he is being looked at right now for not registering as a foreign agent. >> juan: that's a scandal in and of itself, he had a million dollars from turkey and then opposing any action that would not benefit a turkey as a u.s. official. >> jesse: that is not the focus the investigation. >> juan: trump said this was a witch hunt, you're doing the opposite. kevin mccarthy said it is a joke, i bet the russians are paying trump, this was last summer. i don't want anybody to say that someone is paying me. there was big news today that seems to me when you have rod rosenstein who was the deputy attorney general and acting attorney general because jeff sessions has recused himself tell people he knew comey was going to be fired, when he said the memo as a basis for comey's
firing. he was set up and used as a stooge. >> greg: i'm sorry, all of these errors are not political errors, their human errors. when trump says to comey, he's a good guy, go easy on him, that's a boss does. >> kimberly: why is that an error in the rosenstein piece in particular? >> greg: i don't like this guy, can you do a report on the them. i think i've done that many times at work. >> kimberly: that's an error? >> greg: its nonpolitical human error commits what a guy does who's been a businessman. space bar you say it's loose semantics. >> kimberly: you're saying it's more loose semantics more than intent. before it's write a memo that will cover me because i want to fire him.
>> juan: press secretaries didn't say trump told rosenstein to write the memo. it seems to me when you also have reports that the trump campaign had 18 undisclosed contacts with the russians in the last seven months, oh, gee, something's going on. then you have a trump saying that this is the greatest witch hunt ever. what does that do? >> greg: the opposite of a witch hunt is the way you might have approached lois lerner or how the media approached lois lerner and the irs scandal. if that's the opposite of a witch hunt. nobody bothered to hunt anythin anything. >> jesse: if you're on the defensive, your shredding documents and withholding information from congress, a holder was held in contempt of congress four. hillary destroyed a 30,000 emails, that's look a little defensive to me. >> juan: after all of the republican probes and hearings, anything?
>> jesse: that's why he was fired because he botched that investigation. >> greg: you're laughing at the same argument you used on him. you're saying there's no there there because there hasn't been an investigation. >> juan: i said there was an unvested emma and extensive endless investigation of the benghazi, and irs. if >> kimberly: president trump today also denied that he shut down the fbi investigation against his former national security advisor, michael flynn. >> did you at any time urge former fbi director james comey to close or back down the investigation into michael flyn flynn. >> president trump: no, no. next question. >> have you wondered if anything you have done is something that might be worthy of these criminal charges as some on the left are implying? >> president trump: i think it's totally ridiculous, everyone thinks so.
we have to get back to working our country properly it so we can take care of the problems that we have. >> kimberly: no. if >> greg: what do you expect him to say? do you think you're guilty of anything that was illegal? you've got me there. what you expect them to say? >> juan: how about the old al gore, mistakes were made. he knows that mistakes were made, he knows there's been an admission the trump team and knew that mike flynn was under investigation when they put him in his national security adviso advisor? >> kimberly: how would you if you knew he was going to take the podium -- >> dana: i think referring to the special counsel, it would be fine, i'm going to talk about whatever. if they know, fine, just say nothing more. just be quiet, move on.
i also think that we can do this whole thing about what about in the past and it makes for good discussion and i do not like hypocrisy at all. i like that part of the discussion but it doesn't matter a hill of beans when it comes to this actual investigation. they'll say what about this, what about that from eight years ago. everyone should want this real tight and get it over with as quickly as possible. >> kimberly: with the likelihood of that? >> dana: i don't know if the facts, as more and more stuff comes out, the $500,000 in the turks, a conversation with susan rice, action that was not taken on his advice that wasn't disclosed and mike pence didn't know about that, nobody ever told me that he was under investigation, michael flynn's people say -- there's a lot here that i think will be cleared up pretty quickly by a professional like
bob muller. >> jesse: flynn is a problem, as much as it pains me to say made a great point to the other day that hoping is not obstruction. if hoping was a crime, everyone would be in prison. the >> dana: when your boss says i hope you do this, that's why you document things, if that includes harassment or something like this -- >> jesse: if someone says i hope what happens if i don't considered harassment, but they have a lower threshold. before you might, but that's not what the law says. >> jesse: i think the law might be intense to undermine. >> dana: president trump is saying he's not under oath, -- >> jesse: i'd hate to compare it to obama, there was not a smidgen of corruption in the irs. >> juan: here's the problem with intent.
he tells everyone else get out of the room, i just want to talk to comey. >> jesse: maybe it was a romantic dinner, you don't know. >> kimberly: things are very different in the business boardroom, i want to have a talk, you are night ceo to cal, everyone leave the room. very different here and he needs to be advised as to what's proper to protect the president and the united states. coming up. yes, sweetie. >> greg: i'd politely been trying to interject. one of the key examples with flynn whether it was right or wrong, it was not a political move on his part it's called a human move. if you're a nonpolitical person, what do you rely on? loyalty. he thinks this guy flynn made some mistakes but he's a good guy. that's a human response, it might not be the right response, it's not the political response,
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the president leaves on his front foreign trip tomorrow. >> kimberly: really both sides get along with him very well, he is very personable, he's bright, he's somebody that he tends to identify more with republicans. somebody that senator mccain has considered as a running mate, a vice presidential choice before he chose sarah palin and different things i see him attend in terms of the hudson institute and whatnot, he's a very smart as it relates to foreign policy and national security. i think he's a patriot and very hard-working, i don't think he would be a bad choice. i think he would be a good choice, it depends. you have to evaluate all the potential options and candidates who would be best suited for that particular organization, which is a very important one especially during this time. >> dana: democrats support him? >> juan: no.
this was a surprise to me because like kimberly, i've had very positive experience with senator lieberman over the years, i find him trustworthy. here's a situation right now. he was with a law firm since he left the senate and the law firm has representative trump and some litigation, in addition to which he is back to john mccain who was is very close friend in the senate, the three amigos, mccain, lindsey graham, and senator lieberman on somebody issues. he backed mccain against obama obama, that didn't sit well with the hardlines politics of the democratic party. subsequent to that, oppose the iran nuclear deal that obama was struggling to get past in the face of republican opposition. >> dana: just because his law firm had done some work for
president trump who is a billionaire, it doesn't mean that joe lieberman was actually working on any of that business, i guess we would have to see if that was the case, doesn't seem he would be tainted in that way. >> jesse: i think is a great choice to be fbi director. i interned for joe lieberman when i was at trinity college in connecticut. >> kimberly: it explains her greatness, it's lieberman's wor work. >> jesse: was after, that games after. i think it smart enough if trump ever invites him over for dinner, he'll say no. he's not an electric speaker so i don't think he's going to be hot talking it's all over the place. just remember what his background is, he was part of the recount and urged gore to drop out to save the country and to heal the country. he was also someone that voted against clinton, what he did in the office was reprehensible. he voted for the iraq war, he's a principled guy with integrity.
>> nonpartisan nonpartisan in y respects. >> juan: he's never been a prosecutor, he's never been an fbi agentthe justice department. never handled a major agency. >> dana: do have an interesting feelings on joe lieberman? >> greg: lieberman is a reasonable democrat, he's an old white male and we've had enough of them appeared to mike. we are overlooking the obvious choice, who is available right now beloved by the media no matter what she does, chelsea manning. the bigot the mike biggest trader in history, who has the largest amounts of classified documents and 35 years and everybody still loves her. you know how you hire a safe cracker to hire a crack proof safe? hire the biggest trader so you can fight espionage.
that make sense to me, the media will love it. >> juan: jessie thought they were going to say chelsea clinton. why not hillary clinton, she's available? >> greg: only person with less expertise than chelsea manning is chelsea clinton. >> dana: one of the most absurd comments about president trump ever from the ladies at the view, will play the tape next. of. of. the homeowner was outraged. luckily the geico insurance agency had helped her with homeowners insurance. she got all her shingles replaced. hansel and gretel were last seen eating their way through the candy cane forest. call geico and see how easy it is to switch and save on homeowners insurance.
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come on greg gutfeld going after obama regularly. >> jesse: one guy on what network. >> juan: our network doesn't count, were not the biggest cable network in america. the biggest in the world. what an amazing claim, he opened himself up to such criticism that senator mccain would say no, no, i was treated worse. if you think about president clinton who was impeached, you think about richard nixon who was forced out of office can be a thing about jimmy carter who was mocked for failing or whatever he was doing, paddling with rabbits. >> jesse: they called trump a clan member. >> greg: they called him hitler. [laughs] i think that was fake news, the rabbit story. i don't know how many people
know the rabbit story. >> kimberly: please tell. >> juan: he whacked the rabbit rabbit. >> kimberly: i think he murdered a bridge >> juan: at ln the country come obama wasn't born here. >> jesse: wasn't at hillary clinton who started that? >> greg: just raising the question, where was he born? >> jesse: i hope he was born in america. >> dana: that whole birth tourism think about total human error. >> greg: that was a jab at me. >> jesse: when she makes a comment like this on the view, people watch at home obama was treated really poorly, they
yelled at you lied during the state of the union and they hear about the birth certificate or two people just say, you have to be kidding me. >> kimberly: the mainstream liberal media liberals are like the laugh track, everybody cheered. that's what people believe. that's what she believes. >> juan: if you attached president obama's name to any of the stuff that has happened to president trump in the last month, don't you think that this network, republicans would go ballistic? >> kimberly: they loved him, he was there guy, they would put them back in for a third term. >> jesse: they called him the messiah, they said he was a rock star. >> dana: i think there's a distinction that whoopi goldberg is making.
president trump is saying no one is treated worse by the media. she said nobody's treating worse she means the republicans. the media didn't treat president obama badly. i think obviously the media takes a shot at republicans for decades, you have to factor that in. do you remember that first press conference when president obama as to what and chancy about the white house? there was actual news happening that day. i think president trump is much more accessible to the press even though he gets frustrated with them, he punches them and they punch back. i bet he does a lot more -- they get to hear his direct thoughts from twitter. >> greg: who is more transparent, trump or obama? >> dana: trump is not even close. >> jesse: big shots democrat makes a shocking admission about his own party. ♪
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♪ >> juan: one of the major reasons president trump is in the white house is because he connected with middle-class voters. many of whom it fed up with the typical ways of washington. now, chicago mayor rahm emanuel a big shot in the democratic party has offered his diagnosis for why the democrats seem so out of touch with regular america. >> i think we don't talk about and fight for the middle class, if they don't hear we are for them, were not going to convince them that they are wrong. it's not just a set of values that respect who they are in their lives. i think they can come off as a party disdainful of them is the bedrock of this great country. >> juan: do you agree with
rahm emanuel? >> dana: i think it would be wise to listen to him. if you think back to 2006 when republicans lost all the seats in the midterm election during president bush's second term, who led the democratic effort for all those seats to be one? it was rahm emanuel. i think he understands politics and messaging very well. he's in the midwest is not on one of the coastal states were he's cocooned. if the dealing stories out of the house weren't digging up all the oxygen in the room, i think the bigger story would be the democrats six months, seven months after the election are still completely in disarray, they do not have a strong leade leader. they do not have a plan, they are running in all directions. they benefit from all of this trump coverage so they can escape under the radar. >> juan: so kimberly, what you hear which rahm emanuel says, he says democratic values are okay, it's just that middle-class americans aren't hearing it. is he lying or is this real?
it's a failure to communicate. >> kimberly: how convenient for him to say they're the ones with the problem, they are not hearing it. the democratic party is perfect. he's not accepting actual responsibility to say that there needs to be transformative change within that party. if you don't take this election as a complete wake-up call, working-class men and women and middle-class families across this country resoundingly made a choice to go with donald trump and not to go with the party, why? because they are not resonated ticket speaking to their values come out to their pocketbook, to their dinner table at night to the gas in their car, to the job security that they hope and pray for. to be able to take their children. they need to wake up because this should have been an easy lay up for them and it's not, in the stead trump got it on a three-pointer shot. >> juan: he said this,
president trump goes after the big cities like chicago for all the murderers and an end philadelphia and new york but he never goes after the suburbs where there's a real opioid crisis, never mentioned it. >> greg: he's a little late to the party. i think he's going to tell us about an great new setled seinfeld we should be checking out. he wouldn't know the middle class but sat in his lap. this is a guy in the middle of biweekly bloodshed in chicago was taking time out to chick-fil-a, his priorities are based on the people he hangs out with that charity auctions and cocktail events. he would break down it hypes if you want to walmart or a fridays or applebee's which have great ribs by the way. not the one of the midtown area, but it's okay. my point is this, he is so irrelevant and far gone, this is a story we talked about months ago. that was horrible to it, we
could do better. >> juan: i saved this one for you because i think you would be the man to think is this the right solution. here's what he says, he thinks what we need to do is stop focusing on trump's antics, trump's statements, trump's tweets and a focus on the issues, the policy debates. >> jesse: i'm not going to say he's right -- he's right here. even when he's right, he still speaks about americans like they are a different species. he's speaking about us and them and they don't understand us. it comes off as it's not me, no one wants to vote for a snob. he comes off as the pc police, they don't understand desperate he's like an anthropologist of studying some ancient tribe in order to gain their trust and trick them to sell them his land
or something like that. trump speaks to regular americans, he doesn't need a translator. how do i talk to middle-class people? it's corny, i'm not buying it. >> juan: i think he is onto something with the economic message. >> greg: he's on to something everyone else was onto two years ago. >> juan: kimberly said it right, democrats are still in disarray largely after this and their approval numbers are down now to the point where there almost equal with republicans. >> greg: everybody's down, let's face it. >> juan: some emotional news to discuss when the five returns, were going to pay our respects to the founder of fox news, roger ailes, he passed away, back in a moment. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one.
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in fox news' wild success but among those to which there were no opposition to their views. of those outside the news may not have liked fnc but their lives have also been improved by smarter analysis created by healthy competition. roger created a more informed public by making our competition work for it, which probably drove them nuts. the mark of an achievement is that you can't imagine the world before it. what was news like before fox news? it was a place where diverse opinions or scared, were millions of patriotic americans were ignored by a mainstream media dominated by a world of frightened, dull witted conformity. that era died when fox news was born. i wouldn't be sitting here if it weren't for roger. he gave me a show in the dead of night called red eye even though he had actually met me first. what was he thinking? i'm 1 of hundreds of stories like that.
he was a man who saw something in all of us, potential, talent, edge, things that other people didn't see, we will always be grateful for that. we saw something in him too, something will likely never see again. i'm going to start with you dana, your thoughts? >> dana: when you said you wouldn't be here, i think that is true possibly for everybody here at the table. for me, i had never expressed my own opinion in public before i came here. i had been on television, i was speaking on somebody else's behalf. i don't know what he saw inmate that i thought i could do this, i remember when we first started "the five" six years ago, were talked about legalization of drugs, what do you think, i don't know. with some time and space to develop your career is actually developed here for me. i saw this george w. bush doesn't think he would've been president without roger ailes and the political consultancy he
provided for him and the humor. i would say this so i don't take up all the time. if you're interested and committed cajuns or television or you want to improve your own presentation style. he wrote a book called you are the message. if you haven't read it yet, put it on your list or reread it. it gives you the best insight in how to be a good communicator. it's technology agnostic, it's how to be the best communicator is yourself. my sympathies for his family. >> kimberly: that was also very instrumental in my life, it was part of the assigned reading at uc davis and my rhetoric and communication class. i loved the book, and i underlined, i highlighted it, no big deal. i never forget the day i was on cnn, roger ailes would like to speak to you i was like well. like "the wizard of oz" ." i want to tell you i think you're doing a great job on
television, interested in coming to the fox news channel. i was so excited i bought my book and it was all marked up and i was so happy to have him sign it. to meet somebody that had such an incredible, form of impact on so many people's lives. i came over here and he took a chance on me and developed me from a prosecutor into a talent, he saw something in all of us, each of us have a unique story. what i really loved most about him as he was such a loyal person. he was very devoted to his employees whether you were on camera, off-camera, we all mattered. he cared about our families, what my father was dying he was there for me. he became a second father to me. this is a complicated life he lived, he made me a better person. certainly a better cohost and on-air talent, very good to my
son, we share sunday's -- it was all part of the family even though my parents have passed away and i have no family here. my heart goes out to beth and zachary who was a lovely young man who's been raised incredibly well, bless him and his commitment to not only the channel and all of our lives and to this country. >> juan: looking at it from a purely political standpoint, i think he had a key role in nixon, i think he had a key role in reagan, that's where i met him. i think he had a key role in george hw bush's presidency. he not only created the top cable news channel in america, but he also put powerful people in office i'm just as her talk about mitch mcconnell, he wouldn't be there without roger ailes the senate majority leade leader. his influence and power is so incredible, i do think you've
got to discuss, he left here and very troubled circumstances. terrible charges against him, it's just not the roger i knew, not the roger i loved. he was so great to me come up and he persuaded my wife that i should come here back in 1996, 97 when i first signed a contract. just a great call all around. >> jesse: at i'm incredibly grateful to work for roger ailes, one of the most patriotic people ever met. one of the funniest people very quickwitted. great judge of talent, understood the tv screen, an excellent storyteller and i owe everything to him. my whole life and career the last couple years, it is unfortunate he left here in conjunction with some of the charges, inappropriate behavior.
i just want to say he's been a great father, great husband, i feel terrible for them and i wish them all the best and he's a very influential american. >> greg: one last thing, i was watching sean hannity on tucker and he said something that was so -- it sounded just like me. when hannity started he said he was terrible. i was worse. the fact that somebody would stick with you when you are bad, he stuck with hannity when hannity claims he was bad. you should have seen redeye in 2007, a sweaty mess like me? he stuck with it may be because he wasn't watching it, but he stuck with it bridget once again, our deepest condolences e five" returns in a moment why do some cash back cards make earning
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attitude made this place thrive. he taught all of us to push ourselves, to believe in ourselves, if we could reach high to retire. may he rest in peace and god bless his wife beth and son zach. >> juan: first of all, god bless roger. but it's been another crazy week in washington if you been washed in stomach watching the news. while everyone think partisanship is at an all-time high, take a look at this picture. here have ultraconservative arkansas center tom cotton, thence s of nebraska and leading democrat in defiance of trump senator chuck schumer of new york. people began capturing this photo it looks like schumer and i are smoking reefer outside of wedding. they were not smoking reefer but as you can see in the second child, senator mccain joined
in it so maybe there were a talk legalizing reefer. >> dana: video shows use of the turkish thugs who were beating up american citizens on embassy row. there's no video does date shot by voice of america that shows that race of erdogan himself saw what was happening, blessed it, turn around and walked back into the embassy. i would ask mr. president when you see air to him at the meet, punch back verbally. if he's able to deliver a message like this committee should do that nato in front of all of those leaders. >> jesse: address a scandal called tight gate, i wore a tie last night that was very, very controversial. it was from a britches in chappaqua new york, i was wandering the woods looking for hillary which are good to see on my weekend show on 8:00 on saturday night.
what he says in private conversations. he thinks this is an unfair attack against his presidency. but that these probes have expanded, mushroomed to different veins, different associates of him. there hasn't been any wrongdoing proven, of course, so far, but it's kind of gotten hotter and hotter over the past few months and that frustrated the president. he also gets frustrated when these senators are trying to take some of his autonomy away. he wanted to determine the bill on russian sanctions and exactly what would happen. he wants to be able to fire mueller if he chooses to do so. he says he doesn't want to, but he says if i have that option, i might want to take it. and he says he doesn't like being backed in a corner. so you see him really getting frustrated by these different measures. >> the latter point about mueller, there's a sanctions argument, we'll get to sanctions in a moment. the latter point about mueller, the president said he's not going to fire mueller and there's a period indicating where people are trying to wave him off that. it is notable to me that he would express anger at tillis for sponsoring a piece of legislation that would bar him
from firing mueller. >> well, i think the president sees this as by putting this legislation on the fore, by getting bipartisan votes on it, it's a bad reflection on him. it brings up the option that he may then be considering this. it limits his hand. the president fashions himself as a dealmaker, as a negotiator, and i think he likes to have all options on the table, when someone tries to say, listen, we're going to curb what you can do here, we're going to take something away, we're going to take some of your power. he tends to lash out and not take that very well. >> i thought your characterization, based on the reporting, of the phone call with bob corker was fascinating to me, because it seemed like the president was attempting to make a fairly substantiative target against the sanctions on the policy merits. and my sense from the reporting that we've seen throughout his presidency is that's not something that he very often does or very often even seems capable of doing, but in this case, he did seem focused enough to apply that argument. >> well, senior aides at the white house briefed him extensively on this. it was something that he saw as a possible personal affront to
and i think this was the tale of the whole issue. >> it sat there for six days. they said they kept saying it was very unclear. great reporting. >> thanks for having me. >> i'm joined now by two reporters who have been closely covering the russia investigation. betsy woodruff and phillip. here's the statement that the president gave on the russian sanctions bill. despite the problems, i'm signing this bill for the sake of national unity. it represents the will of the american people to see russia take steps to improve relations with the u.s. we hope there will be cooperation between our two countries on major global issues, so that these sanctions will no longer be necessary. they were dragged, kicking and screaming into this position, and the question here is, why? do you feel like you have clarity on the answer to that? >> we don't have full clarity on it. i think what josh said earlier is absolutely correct, based on what i'm hearing from the white house, as well, which is that he viewed this as a threat to his autonomy as president. he didn't want this sanctions
bill to be passed. the republicans on capitol hill defied his wishes and passed it with a veto-proof majority, anyways. and he views this russia issue more broadly as a threat to his legitimacy as president. he likes to believe that he got elected solely because he was the better candidate and defeated hillary clinton entirely on his own merits. and any suggestion that russia did something wrong to meddle in the election, even if it didn't swing the election one way or the other, he views as a threat to the legitimacy of his victory. >> to that end, though win just want to follow up with you, phillip, and i'll get you to weigh in here, betsy. that is what the white house projects about the president's state of mind. it is also a possibility, not a certainty at all or even a probability, it's a possibility that the president did sympathetic wrong, that he's attempting to cover up. we have to entertain that as a theoretical framework through which to interpret his actions. >> sure, and you know, that's exactly what robert mueller and the special counsel team is trying to figure out and look into. and i have to tell you, they're going to be looking into these
phone calls, i imagine, that the president made, especially the call with senator tillis, that politico reported on tonight, because that's yet another instance of the president taking it upon himself to try to -- to influence something pertaining to russia. >> betsy, that to me is part of the tell here. we have a president, it's very hard in some ways to interpret a lot of his activities, because he seems so obviously and manifestly uninterested in the details of what's happening in the government. yet, there is selective interest, and time and tile again, intense, focused interest of the details of this one particular thing, which is the status of the russia investigation. >> i think one piece of that is because the president's focus always zeros in on whatever cable news is talking about. and the mueller probe, despite the best efforts of mueller and his investigators not to make any news over the course of their investigation, has constantly generated story after story after story. and the result has been that the
james comey. and to the extent there's a pattern of the president here attempting to quash his own investigation, one imagines it's possible that that adds to that pile of evidence that the special counsel is evaluating. >> i mean, that's right, the special counsel is looking into obstruction. we know that from reporting. so we have to assume that the investigators are going to be looking at any action that the president took public or private, to influence this matter. and cast a broad net that they're going to be looking at this. they're probably going to be looking at a number of things this president has done. but he can't help himself from becoming personally involved in this stuff. some of his advisers in the white house, the legal advisers, the political advisers have been encouraging him to keep his distance, to work through lawyers on all of this, to observe and respect, frankly, a legal structure that would protect him as a client. and he doesn't always listen to that. >> betsy, what is your sense, as someone who reports a lot on republicans on the hill, of how
they will react to phone calls like this, in terms of tillis, in terms of corker? does it make them more or less inclined to maintain this sort of distance independence from the president? >> it, obviously, does nothing to thaw the already very complicated relationships between the white house and capitol hill. and one thing i thought was really important detailed in josh's story is the fact that one of the folks who was treated to an angry phone call from the president was bob corker. remember, corker, at first, was very close with trump. he was considered a potential vice president contender. he was considered a potential contender for secretary of state, as recently as several weeks ago, i had a conversation with a lobbyist who works on foreign policy issues, who said, keep an eye on corker, because if tillerson decides to bow out, he's next in line. now, though, it looks like corker is no longer competing for this. first, we know, about maybe a week or so ago, corker told local reporters in his home state that he thought the president might not have the stability to be in the white house. that means this relationship is
frayed, and the president's phone call to corker probably played a major role in him feeling comfortable leveling that kind of criticism. >> betsy woodruff, phillip rucker, many thanks. joining me now are two republicans who have had a lot to say about the president's russia obsession. evan mcmullen and republican strategist rick wilson. rick, let me start with you. the sort of non-incrippletory set of facts is that the white house believes it's bad policy, and that he feels insulted on a personal level by the russia investigation, because there's nothing there. what do you -- how do you evaluate that argument? >> absolutely nothing else in donald trump's life causes him as much anxiety and anger and such an instantly visceral response as anything having to do with russia. and you know, it's the old thing from proverbs 28:1. the guilty man flees when no one pursues him.
and every time russia comes up, donald trump's reaction is so hyperbolic and so over the top, and you can see in the discussions from this article this evening that these members are thinking, why is he going so far off the rails on this particular question? and why is he, is he pretending that this is some sort of constitutional restriction on him, when it's perfectly in the purview of congress. they may assume he doesn't know that, but his reaction to it has very much marked, i think, the investigation, and helped set a certain attitude inside the senate about where trump is on this. and i think it's made them more skeptical and much more dubious of his excuses. >> evan, what do you think of that? >> i think that's right. i think this is a reflection of fundamental issues about the president, not sort of just typical back and forth between the executive and the legislative branches about legislation. donald trump is deeply vulnerable, related to russia, and issues related to russia that have to do with his activities, before the campaign
and potentially obstruction of justice. so this investigation is naturally going to put him at odds with the rest of the government, that in many cases is just trying to do its job. the other thing is that donald trump comes from a background in which he was rewarded for bullying people. the problem is, is that senators are very hard to bully. it may work in the white house somewhat. it may have worked on the campaign trail, during a campaign season. but the reality is, for example, majority leader mcconnell does not like to be told how to do his job. and other senior republican leaders on the hill, have learned that in the past. and donald trump is going to learn that lesson, too. i suspect that what will happen going forward will be that you will see additional commitment among republican senators to advancing russia-related protections and investigations. but at the same time, they are in the same boat on other policy issues, whether it's funding the government or, you know, or tax reform or health care. so they will work together.
that will happen. maybe they'll fail, maybe they'll succeed. but on the russia stuff, i think what donald trump has done is insured that republican senators are going to make sure what needs to be done is done. >> there's also, rick, it seems to me, this sense of betrayal from the president. we saw this in the comey interactions, this sort of expectation of loyalty. that essentially, you work for me. and i think it seems to me that his posture towards the senate has been that very much, that you are essentially my employees. that you work for me. and my sense from reporting on u.s. senator is they don't love being treated that way by the president, even if it's their own party. >> chris, just if i could say -- >> yeah, please, evan, go ahead. >> there's this line out there that president trump's advisers believe that because his national popularity, although extremely, you know, terribly low, is higher than that of congress as a whole, that somehow he's in a better position than they are. but that's the wrong number to be looking at.
the sort of little secret about congress is that, yes, congress as a whole is unpopular. but members of congress have totally different popularity or approval ratings within their own constituency. and especially in the senate. and so, it's just an unsophisticated way of looking at the situation. >> go ahead, rick. >> and the other thing is, chris. this indicates very strongly, you know, donald trump is not a guy who understands that pesky constitution very well. and this is a government where the powers are separated between three co-equal branches. and one of those co-equal branches includes the senate, which is a body with enormous power, enormous scope of influence, and the ability of individual senators to have a bigger influence on the overall process, on the legislative side, that i think donald trump has ever grasped or understood. and he's made a lot of enemies there. and he's making a lot more enemies every day. i mean, this is a guy last night who had better things to say about kim jong-un than he did about arizona senator john mccain, who is suffering from brain cancer. this is a guy who has gone after jeff flake and dean heller and a
number of other u.s. senators, in a way that -- it's not that he's politically competing with him, it's that he simply doesn't understand that his an actual co-call branch of government. they don't work for him. they're not his employees. he can't yell "you're fired" and throw them out of the boardroom. and i think he also mistakes the sort of courtesy of the senate and the sort of traditions and folk ways of the senate for weakness. and a lot of these guys will smile and look in his eye and say, mr. president -- and then they're going to shank him. lindsey graham and others, you know, these guys are perfectly civil. and they also hold their ground perfectly well when the time comes. >> all right. evan mcmullen and rick wilson, thank you for your time tonight, gentlemen. >> thank you. up next, president trump goes off-prompter and stays decidedly on message. the fallout from last night's angry performance by the president in phoenix in two minutes.
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seek a new unity based on the common values that unite us. we are one people with one home and one great flag. >> the president was back on a teleprompter today, reading off boilerplate lines like unity and healing at an event at the american legion. that message, which was part of continued efforts to clean up the mess the president made of his response to charlottesville, stood in sharp contrast to the largely improvised, well, tantrum of a speech he gave last night at a campaign rally in phoenix. and there's no doubt which one represents the authentic donald trump. off-teleprompter is on-script. by now, having won both the republican primary and general election with minorities of the popular vote, the president knows the potency of divide and conquer politics. he leaned heavily into those politics last night, railing against the backlash or his handling of the white supremacist violence in charlottesville, accusing the media of failing to give him credit for condemning hate
groups. >> i hit him with neo-nazi, i hit 'em with everything. i got the white supremacists, the neo-nazi, i got 'em all in there. let's see. kkk, we have kkk. i got 'em all. >> but the president left out the part where he blamed both sides for the violence in charlottesville and defended the, quote, fine people who marched with white nationalists. instead, he seemed to identify with their cause last night, and using the same language as white nationalists to talk about confederate monuments. >> it's time to expose the crooked media deceptions and to challenge the media for their role in formenting divisions. and yes, by the way, yes, by the way, they are trying to take away our history and our heritage. you see that. >> "they are trying to take away our history and our heritage." the president also hinted, he plans to pardon joe arpaio, the infamous arizona sheriff, who's convicted of criminal contempt for defying a court order to
stop racially profiling hispanics. earlier, the white house had told reporters that there would be no talk of a pardon last night. >> do the people in this room like sheriff joe? [ cheers and applause ] was sheriff joe convicted for doing his job? that's what -- i'll make a prediction. i think he's going to be just fine, okay? but i won't do it tonight, because i don't want to cause any controversy. is that okay? >> former homeland security secretary janet napolitano knows a thing or two about joe arpaio. she was governor of arizona from 2003 to 2009. she joins me now. governor, what did you make of that moment, the president sort of flirting with the notion of pardoning a man who's convicted of contempt of court for continuing to racially profile arizonians. >> well, i think he would be just wrong to pardon the
sheriff. the sheriff was subject to lawful court orders to stop racially profiling. he denied and defied those court orders. he continued to do it. he was found guilty of that. you know, it takes quite a bit of evidence for the department of justice to bring a criminal contempt charge, particularly against an elected leader like sheriff joe. and so for the president to hold that out as a tease was a dis to all of the people in arizona who have been victims of that racial profiling, and a disto the court system and the legal system that we have. >> you were attorney general of that state, if i'm not mistaken, you were governor of that state, you served as head of the department of homeland security, you are now running part of california's higher education system. as someone who has been around presidents, executives, people in power, what do you make of watching the president give a
performance like he did last night? >> well, it was disturbing and disappointing. because it was so clearly undisciplined, it was feeding inaccurate information, incomplete information. it was a lost opportunity to help bring our country together, which our country sorely needs. and, you know, was -- it was sort of a shocking performance, i must say. >> james clapper had some really strong words. he's a man that you worked with in the united states government. i want to play you his reaction to what the president said last night and get your reaction to that. take a listen. >> i don't know when i've listened and watched something like this from a president that i found more disturbing. this behavior, and this
divisiveness, and the complete intellectual, moral, and ethical void that the president of the united states exhibits. and how much longer does the country have to, to borrow a phrase, endure this nightmare? >> what did you make of those comments? >> well, those are, indeed, strong words. and, you know, i -- i think i, uh, uh stand back and i look at the president's performance, performances, particularly over the last several weeks, and, you know, i stand with the majority of americans who wish he had spoken with moral clarity and absolute unambiguity after the events in charlottesville. i wish he were not threatening to shut down the federal government over a wall, which will not be an effective means
of dealing with illegal immigration across our border and will never be totally built. i wish he were reaching out in a leadership way to even members of his own party, in an attempt to governor this country, as opposed to it being one long campaign rally. >> to that point, you had an op-ed about daca, which is the -- people who were brought here as children, in an unauthorized fashion, as immigrants, who were granted a kind of reprieve by the obama administration. and there's some talk of essentially the trump administration using them as sort of pawns in a showdown with the democrats in congress, in which they may not essentially continue to protect their legal status. what do you make of that? >> you know, i think these young people, these so-called dreamers, you know, really should not be used as trade
bait, particularly for something as unpopular as a wall or building a wall with mexico. i think that ideally, you would have congress and the president working on immigration reform that would really give us a 21st century -- >> well, that's not going to happen. >> -- immigration system that would work. that's not going to work. so have a stand-alone dream bill. if you want to provide permanent protection to these young people. but i don't think they should be used as trade bait. >> all right, secretary janet napolitano, thanks for joining me tonight. >> you bet. ahead, as we've been discussing, the president threatening to shut down our government, as the governor just said, if republicans won't fund the border wall. he said mexico would pay for. the insane outbreak of gop brinksmanship, next.
republicans have a packed agenda when they return to congress on september 5th. among their essential tasks, passing a new spending bill and raising the debt ceiling by month's end. but last night in phoenix, president trump threw a monkey wrench into those plans. >> build that wall. now the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it. but believe me, we have to close down our government, we're building that wall. >> the president is threatening to shut down the government if congress doesn't pass a spending bill that includes money for a border wall. the same wall the president repeatedly, repeatedly promised mexico would pay for. republican leadership immediately tried to tamp down the shutdown idea. >> given the time of year it is and the rest of the appropriations we have to do, we're going to need more time to complete our appropriations process, particularly in the
senate. so that's something that i think we all recognize and understand, that we're going to have to have some more time to complete our appropriations process. so i don't think anyone's interested in having a shutdown. i don't think it's in our interest to do so. >> republicans, in fact, have been trying to reassure the country that they can get through their legislative deadlines in september without upending the economy. here, for example, is mitch mcconnell two days ago on that very subject. >> there is zero chance, no chance, we won't raise the debt ceiling. no chance. america is not going to default. and we'll get the job done in conjunction with the secretary of the treasury. >> we'll discuss the potential collision course between republican leaders and the white house after this praek.
congress gets back in session after labor day and they won't have much time until they hit two crucial deadlines. the debt limit spending and the spending bill they have to pass by september 30th. both headlines are major tests for president trump and the republican party, with repercussions throughout the economy and the world if either of them were to fail. someone who knows all about congressional deadlines, david jolley of florida, joins me now. what do you think was going through the minds of paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, and congressional leadership last night when the president explicitly said we're going to shut down the government if we have to to get that wall funding? >> chris, that's a great question. what was going through their mind and who they'll say publicly is wildly different. and that is why republicans on the hill in leadership have lost a lot of credibility. you said it earlier. there are no two donald trumps. there's only one. it's the one we saw last night. the lying, narcissistic, child of a man with no understanding of public policy, with no ability for critical thinking, someone who puts the fortunes of his own interests and his own corporations, his own family above the fortunes of the country. a man who seemingly suffers from a clinical form of idiocy and someone who should be primaried, if you want to be a good republican. but the reality is, we have republican leaderships who embrace him when he is succeeding and look the other way when he is failing. the question on the shutdown, coming at the end of september, is how far does this president sell expectations on issues like the wall? he actually folded and collapsed in a spring negotiation over a short-term budget. he really did. he folded and collapsed and so did his budget director, mick mulvaney. the question is, does he oversell expectations or does he quietly just go away? and i think we've seen, this president really isn't up for a fight. he can't handle his own when he's in a fight. >> that is an interesting notion. because my sense is that democrats -- democrats generally don't like shutdowns, you know, no one likes shutdowns. but democrats generally don't like shutdowns. but in terms of how the politics play out, my sense is that chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, democratic leadership thinks they have the better hand if the government is shutting down under unified republican control to pay for a wall the president promised we wouldn't have to pay for. >> sure. so this is groundhog day and federal budget politics. i served on the appropriations committee, i spent 20 years doing federal budget politics. at the end of the day, the math is the math. it will take democrats and probably less than $100 republicans to work with democrats to pass a compromise budget. otherwise, nothing can actually get to the president's desk. i've lived through this. i've got the scars from it from being one of those republicans in the governing caucus. the question for donald trump is, barack obama used to always sign those budgets. does donald trump sign that budget? >> that's -- >> or does he refuse to and shut down the government? that's what we don't know. >> that's the fascinating new variable out of here. we've already seen the house freedom caucus basically drive john boehner into early
retirement over precisely these kinds of showdowns. >> even while losing! conservatives are going to lose this fight. >> right. >> conservatives are going to lose this. >> but your point is so important. they're going lose it because of the math in congress, where you're going to get essentially democrats and some portion of the republican caucus to pass something out of that house. the question is, the president can team up with the house freedom caucus to essentially scotch it and force a shutdown himself. >> in the house, you have the tuesday group and a few moderates. i call it within the republican caucus in the house, you have the governing caucus and the shutdown caucus. the governing caucus will join with democrats to pass a bill. that governing caucus reflects the politics of republicans in the senate, largely, who have little appetite for a shutdown. that is the governing budget that will get to this president. and we will wait to see. i think he doesn't have the spine to veto it. i think he undersells expectations and starts talking about something totally different to distract from the fact he's going to lose this fight. >> and that gets to what is one of the central paradoxes of this
presidency, which is, it is just obvious the president doesn't care, one way or the other, about the policy. i mean, he cares about the victories, he cares about the symbolism, clearly, but it's just clear from everyone around him what they say about him, all the reporting, that normally, the president would care. he would have a favorite outcome in a substantiative sense for what came out. this president pretty clearly doesn't have one. >> he doesn't understand policy. and the parts that he does understand, he lies about to his base. but, listen, let's go back to republican leaders on this. this is very important. leadership happens in public, not in private, by its definition, leadership has to happen in private. you can't be paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, and just have these backroom conversations. leaders lead movements. they lead voters. and we have seen a complete failure of leadership on capitol hill. you cannot look the other way at what happened last night. you have to be a republican that says, you know what, this president's incapable of leading and we should challenge him, either in a primary or
completely constrict his powers of the oval office right now, by operating as an article i congress with the authority that we were given by the voters. >> the president, with of course, has already been tweeting about both shutdowns, he talked about a shutdown last night. he's been talking about changing the rules to 51%. our country, he said this back in may, our country needs a good shutdown in september to fix this mess. the final question i have to you is, even in the wake of a climbdown, let's say he is -- he does ultimately not have an appetite for the fight, as he did in spring, when he got rolled essentially on this negotiation. it's also way of him essentially constantly setting up the congress as the people to blame for the continuation of all the things that his base hates about washington. >> listen, there is no moral equivalency between this president and some of the dictators we've seen in the dark ages of the middle east and other places around the globe. but the politics of some of those dark dictators was to always have an enemy. and that is what this president has modernized. he always have to have an enemy, even at the sacrifice of republicans. he will continue to do that, to
keep his 35% with him. >> all right. former republican congressman, david jolly, thanks for joining me. >> good to be with you, chris. ahead, the republican party embracing its most extreme members, like the conspiracy theorist and the birther that could soon be elected to the u.s. senate. plus, tonight's thing one, thing two starts next.
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luther strange, another mcconnell favorite, getting absolutely crushed in the race for jeff sessions' old senate seat by this guy. roy moore, who as alabama chief justice defied the supreme court decision, legalizing same-sex marriage, and refused to remove a giant ten commandments statue from the state judicial building. moore also doesn't think that president obama was born in the united states. that's also true of another popular figure look the base, former maricopa county sheriff joe arpaio, who was convicted of defying a court order to stop targeting and detaining suspected undocumented immigrants and who the president of the united states last night suggested that he plans to pardon. >> was sheriff joe convicted for doing his job? that's what --.
he should have had a jury, but you know what? i'll make a prediction. i think he's going to be just fine, okay? >> when we come back, more signs of where the gop base is at in the age of trump, plus the republican party's unbelievable decision to greet a democratic senator with mariachi band. that's next.
back on his own family's heritage calling for the removal of confederate monuments. amazingly that was arguably not the most offensive move by the party today. the national republican senatorial committee attacked senator joe donnelly. the video made up of being serenaded by a mariachi band, you know, mexico. trying to brand him as mexico joe for allegedly profiting from outsourcing. joining me, jenna johnson, and "huffington post" michelle bernard. jenna, you were in the rally last night. i think there is a kind of attitudal nature against somebody like kelly ward or roy moore but the kind of reveling in behavior that you shouldn't revel in seems to be something that the base really, really
likes. the folks in that rally room seemed to like it. >> yeah. there's a lot of questions about what the republican base is right now. but for the people who showed up to the rally last night, these were donald trump's most devoted supporters. the people who were willing to wait outside, it was 107 degrees. they waited outside for hours to see him. waited inside. there wasn't that much water around. they were dehydrated by the time he got on stage. and they cheered a lot of the things that he was saying on stage. meanwhile, kelly ward was at the rally working her way through the line, working her way through the room. i think she talked to maybe everyone who was there last night, introducing herself, telling people who she is. and a lot of her supporters were there wearing these yellow t-shirts that said trump 2016, ward 2018.
so she's really trying to piggyback on this trump movement, and attract these supporters who are so dedicated to him. >> you know, there's reporting the president had huddled with some folks that also might jump into that race in the primary against jeff flake. but it seems one of the key trends here, particularly when you look at the alabama race or in arizona, that this is a phenomena that is bigger than the president. we think of him as so singular, but what's happening in alabama suggests that a lot of the gop base is looking for figures like that. >> you know, i went back today, chris, and looked at an old videotape. we were asked early on, whan is the state of the republican party today. if you go back and look at an old videotape from 1964 of george wallace, the former governor of alabama, introducing orville fobbis the former governor of arkansas, that's what the republican party is today.
the republican party died the day that president trump gave that speech about charlottesville and found a moral equivalency between the nazi sympathizers and protesters and reincarnated george wallace and fobbis. this is a man who is a lawyer who has defied the supreme court, defied the highest law of the land. joe arpaio has done the same thing. we've got donald trump who has come out and basically said joe arpaio did absolutely nothing wrong because he was doing his job. well, he wasn't doing his job. the question is, why we have so many people in the nation who are supporting people who disobey the rule of law. what good is it to have a democracy and to have a constitution if you only follow the laws of the land when you like them. these are not moral -- immoral laws they're disobeying, these are moral laws that the supreme
court found and they basically said, we don't like them. they fly in the face of what we believe america should be so we're just not going to follow them. and trump supporters and the president himself are saying, let's go for it. this is the wild, wild west. it is no longer the united states of america. >> one of the things that united states all those it seems to me, jenna, is the idea of having all the right enemies, talking about the president's supporters. that, you know, whatever -- essentially, you sort of come to your feelings about donald trump or joe arpaio or kelly ward based on who doesn't like them. and based on who they're fighting with. i wonder last night during the amazing 40-minute-long rant -- >> there's a lot of media out there. we are an easy target. i have to say this was a difficult rally. i was standing out in the crowd. this is a difficult rally to be standing out in the crowd for.
people were angry. people were booing. but as he kept going, and going, and going, and basically making the same attack again and again and again, i saw a lot of people around me checking their cell phones, people sitting down, one woman came up to me and we started having a conversation. and some people just left the rally, trying to beat the traffic, get ahead of everyone else. while these points might be big rallying points when he first says them, he seems to miss what he usually is able to do is hitting that point just enough times to keep people enthusiastic without just boring everyone. >> michelle, were you anticipating any sort of -- to the extent some of the polling would suggest -- do you think it will play out in the primary contests? do you expect it to be reflected in them? >> i think this is the future of the republican party for the
this picture taken in march of 2016. the man circled in this photo is george papadopoulos, who pled guilty to lying about the fbi and his interactions with russians during the campaign. also in this picture, if you widen it a little bit you see the attorney general jeff sessions, who previously said he did not remember that meeting, but today. >> i do now recall that the march 2016 meeting at the trump hotel and mr. papadopoulos attended, but have no clear recollection of the details of what he said at that meeting. in all of my testimony i can only do my best to answer your questions as i understand them and to the best of my memory. >> martha: chief national correspondent ed henry live at the white house with the back story on today's big hearing. it also included some brand-new details about the clintons. >> great to see you today.
accusations that i have ever lied. that is a lie. let me be clear, i have at all times conducted myself honorably and in a manner consistent with the high standards and responsibilities of the office of attorney general, which i revere. >> this is a big deal, sessions also revealed in this testimony today that he now has 27 open investigations into the leaks of classified information. if that will be music to the ears of the president and his advisors as well, we are now up and talk about what they call the deep state, damaging leaks that they think i've undermined this white house. martha. >> martha: thank you very much. joining me now for an expletive interview, one of the congressman inside that hearing today. congressman trey gowdy. good evening, good to have you with us tonight. >> yes, ma'am, thank you. >> martha: we heard a lot in there today, and one of the things that jeff sessions was trying to do was make it very clear that he felt he played no improper role whatsoever during
the campaign. at one point he was grilled about whether or not he had met with the russian ambassador. he said i never said that i had never met a russian, i said that there was never any intention to collude or to have any kind of relationship with regards to the campaign. do you think he persuaded the committee on that today? >> i don't think you persuaded the committee, because i don't think the committee is very open minded. i think his audience was the american people, and i think they understand sometimes it's hard to recall the details of conversations from 12 months ag ago. ironically, in every court room across the country we have this concept called a refresh recollection where the witness forgot something and then the lawyer will hand them a document or a photo that refreshes their recollection. we don't do that in congress. we want to play got you, and if you don't remember a room that you were in 12 months ago or person you met outside of a restaurant, we think we have a perjury case. i don't think anybody's mind was changed because i don't think anybody want with an open mind.
>> martha: in terms of the issue, the president has said that he would like the justice department to be more open-minded to reopening some of the investigations with regards to hillary clinton and with regard to uranium one in particular. here's an exchange with your colleague, mr. jordan, congressman jordan on the issue of appointing a special counsel with that in mind. watch this. >> what's it going to take to actually get a special counsel? >> it would take a factual basis that meets a standard of the appointment of a special counsel. >> we know one fact, we know the clinton campaign and the national committee paid through the law firm for the dossier. we know that happened and it sure looks like the fbi was paying the author of that document. doesn't that warrant naming a second special counsel, as 20 members of this committee wrote you asking you to do? >> martha: congressman, do you think we will see a special
counsel appointed by attorney general sessions based on what you heard today? >> i don't know, but i did like his answer, which is we will follow the facts wherever they go. robert mueller, it is within his jurisdiction to look at all of russians efforts to influence the election, and that might possibly include finding a dossier. i think general sessions' broader point is we don't need a special counsel for every fact pattern. you do have a department of justice with women and men who have dedicated their careers to the enforcement of the law, and you have 94 u.s. attorneys offices, so i love jimmy jordan, and he is a three-time wrestling champion, so i don't like disagreeing with him, and he is a very good friend, but what i would say to jimmy and all my other friends is special counsel is when there's a conflict of interest with the department of justice are all 94 u.s. attorneys. i think we all think factual predicate should be investigated if there's a basis to do so. whether that is done by special
enough to process all of those if's. >> martha: one quick session on tax reform, which we just spoke with speaker ryan. what you think about the senate proposal to include the repeal of obamacare or the individual mandate as part of their tax reform bill? >> i think i agree with everything paul ryan just told you and i want to congratulate you on having a fantastic town hall with the most knowledgeable member of the house. i'm going to eat dinner with tim scott, my friend in the senate and helped draft the senate version and i will get him to explain to me why they included that in there. i think paul's point was well taken, at least by me. we will keep that separate from what we do on the house side, but there's a reason we go to conference, and if it's in the house bill, not the senate bill, we will resolve all of that in the conference committee. >> martha: paul ryan said complement trey gowdy on his gordon gecko looked tonight. >> i'm sure he did. [laughs] i'm quite sure he did.
>> martha: just thought we would pass that along. it congressman trey gowdy, thank you very much. good to see her tonight. also breaking this evening, the tax reform budget we've been talking about is heating up on capitol hill as a new amendment to add an obamacare repeal to the senate version has halted negotiations. we will talk about that coming up. also, several big developers right now in the roy moore scandal as we await him to take the stage at a campaign event in alabama. the rnc just a short while ago has told their funding for the alabama senate candidate as the calls continue to grow for him to step aside. karl rove weighs in next with "the story" right after this. ♪ when you're close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment?
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nominee roy moore to step aside in the wake of several sexual abuse allegations. moore, who was about to take the stage at a campaign event firing back a short time ago on twitter saying this. "alabamians will not be fooled by this. #insighthitchjob. mitch mcconnell's days as majority leader are coming to an end very soon. at this point has just begun. and within the last few hours in a somewhat historic move, the rnc pulled out of a joint fund-raising agreement that it had with moore. here now, karl rove, former senior advisor to george w. bush and a fox news contributor. i don't think i can hear you, but i think you may be able to hear me. tell me a little bit about what you think about the latest developments here with roy moore and whether or not you think that he's going to hang in there. it let me just operating it one more thing. let's put this up on the screen. this is the internal campaign email for anyone who thinks that they are backing down, this is a strong message. team, we are in an epic standoff
and we need to know more than ever. at the liberal media and the democrats are intent on hijacking the seat of jeff sessions on december 12th, and they have found unlikely allies with the republican establishment. i will check my audio and you tell people your reaction to that. >> i'm on the email list, so i get several of these messages a day, and it is pretty clear he's digging in his heels. here are the options, and none of them are good. the first one is the governor could change the date of the election. governor ivey has said she has no inclination to do that. roy moore could withdraw and the republicans could unite around one person. there were two steps to this. roy moore has said he's not resigning and it would be hard to get people to agree on a unified choice. roy moore could stay in and then the republicans could conduct a write-in campaign, but that would tend to split the republican vote, and even in this heavily republican state, it's enough to guarantee the
democrat wins. moore could win back the election and be expelled by two-thirds of the senate, and then a second special election could be held, probably in conjunction with the 2018 general election and in the meantime the governor, governor ivey would appoint a successor to sit in the seat as a placeholder. or moore could lose. let me tell you, that's a real possibility even though this is a very republican state. in the last two decades the average republican statewide candidate has carried alabama for more than 20 points. there have been some exceptions, and one of them was roy moore in 2012 when he got elected to the supreme court by a margin of a think about six points. take a look at this. this shows what's happening. last three weeks of tv, this is both campaigns, the jones campaign, the democrat campaign started advertising three weeks ago, they spent $1.4 million in one week. last week $700,000. this week, $700,000.
moore was nowhere to be seen on the television the first week, last week $65,000. this week $65,000. he is being out spend by $2.8 million to $130,000. all those big donors that steve bannon promised would be in his corner apparently haven't materialized. >> martha: it's a great point. now he's got the rnc not backing him anymore. we know the national senate committee is not backing him anymore, cory gardner pulled the plug on that almost immediately. is there an option on your whiteboard that you think is the most likely? do you have a luther strange write-in? we know the president, mitch mcconnell spoke about this earlier today. what's the scenario that you see that you think might work? >> look, i doubt there would be a luther strange write-in. he got beat in the primary and there will be a lot of hard feelings left over from that, and he might get more votes than he got last time around, but it would still be the 400 some out
thousand votes cast in the republican primary split two different ways. if roy moore does not step aside and say i am withdrawing from this race and i encourage all of my voters -- supporters to back this one candidate, jeff sessions or congressman robert at her hold, or former governor bob riley >> martha: let me jump in, you really think that jeff sessions is going to come back and run for the senate seat? >> no. i've known him since college days. what he said today that he reveres the office of attorney general, he does. he was the attorney general of alabama, he thoroughly enjoyed the job and did a terrific job. this is the honor of a lifetime for him to be the attorney general of the united states, i can't see him going back. >> martha: when he talked about revering that job in that department, i thought there's no way that this is something that he will want to do to take it for the team. he wants to stay right where he is. quick thought on steve bannon and the reflection on him if
there is one as a result of this roy moore story. >> this is the candidate that he blessed, but it is typical of the candidate that he has chosen. think about the first candidate for the u.s. house of representatives, michael, former member of congress from staten island. he just got out of the federal penitentiary for tax fraud, not the first person steve bannon says -- >> martha: he says it wasn't his fault! he was wrongly accused! >> exactly right. sent to jail, but i would like to see him make that argument on the campaign trail. the first candidate for governor who steve bannon picks is tom, the disgraced former republican congressman from colorado who last year was protested the cancellation of the hotel reservations for whites premises meeting. he doesn't have good luck in picking candidates. >> martha: thank you very much. good to see you tonight, as
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>> this tax bill for the average taxpayer in every income group gets a tax cut. with this plan, 90% of americans will be able to use the standard deduction. if you think that your taxes -- i will bring up couple props out, literally on a postcard. when you tax your business is that much, much higher tax rates, then your foreign competitors tax theirs, then you lose. we are losing jobs, losing companies, losing headquarters, or foreign companies are buying the u.s. companies. we have to get tax rates down on our business is because we are losing global competition and especially small businesses. that's where jobs come from. but doubling standard deduction that basically says 9 out of 10 taxpayers don't have to use itemized deductions, they can just take the standard deduction and they get lower taxes. but we are basically saying is get rid of the loopholes and giving the money in the first place. let people keep more of their own tax dollars in the first place. it takes less money out of your pocket, your paycheck to begin with, and then you decide what you want to do with your money.
>> martha: that was >> i am just a short time ago on our tax reform town hall here in virginia. if the house is expected to vote on their plan on thursday, but there is a hick up tonight in the senate version as a push to include an obamacare repeal of the individual mandate is put into the senate side bill. how is that going to be receive received? marc theissen and fox news contributor joins us. robert shapiro, -- welcome. great to have both of you with us. mark, i pressed speaker ryan on the issue that some people's taxes will go up, and he basically swears up and down that that is absolutely not the case, that the numbers that we have looked at will not force anybody's taxes to go up. what do you say? >> first of all, he was very interesting link which, he did a great job tonight. i thought he did a fantastic job of laying out the principles
behind this tax reform, which aren't that you should keep more of your money in the first place, rather than sending it to washington and letting them give you back if used do certain things the government wants. we need to get the economy moving, we had to stop punishing countries and pushing them overseas. why are we taxing small businesses that are struggling higher than corporate taxes even? i think you did a great job of selling his plan. the problem he faced for all those people when you asked her audience how many of you think your taxes are going to go up and a lot of hands went up. at least the first time a lot of fans went up. >> martha: they got shy, they didn't want to ask the question. >> this is a big problem for republicans of people think their taxes will go up under this bill. when i worked for george w. bush when he was pushing the bush tax cut in -- every american will get a tax cut. pauline couldn't say that tonight. he said the average american in every income bracket will go down, but that means some of them will go up. no one in america should ever be
able to utter the words republicans raise my taxes. >> martha: robert shapiro, what you think about the bill as it looks now? >> the fact is this is a $5.8 trillion in tax cuts and $4.3 trillion in tax increases. when you are dealing with numbers like that you have a lot of winners and you have a lot of losers. and that's what the joint tax committee has said, that's what the tax policy center has said. that's with the institute for taxation and economic policy have said. they all agree that it looks like depending on the year between 20 and 25% of taxpayers will see a tax increase. those at the very top will see very large tax cuts, and about 60% of the country will get modest tax cuts. >> martha: i don't see a big tax cut at the upper end of the bracket. the senate plan cuts it to 38.5,
the houseplant leaves it at 39.6. how do you see a big increase for the people at the upper end? >> there are several points here. one, most of the income at the very top is not labor income taxed at those rates, its capital income. in the taxation on capital income is going down. second, we have the end of the inheritance tax, which affects the top two tenths of 1% of the country. about $280 billion. >> martha: i'm running out of time. >> businesses that are worth more than $10 million. >> martha: i have to leave it there, 20 seconds. quick response on that i have to go. >> i think they will pass this because the reality is if they don't pass it they are finished. staring down at the political of this tends to focus the energies