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the best of it but this is election interference from the democrats, trying to win this by hook or crook. >> tote trial -- back to the trial, there is op-ed in "new york post," michael goodwin that reads in part: >> i -- we're talking about contrast, looking at "new york times." will a mountain of evidence be enough to convict trump, the sub headline. monday we'll see opening statements. state's case seems strong but a convection is far from assured. if you read to that article there is a lot about the
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the best of it but this is election interference from the democrats, trying to win this by hook or crook. >> tote trial -- back to the trial, there is op-ed in "new york post," michael goodwin that reads in part: >> i -- we're talking about contrast, looking at "new york times." will a mountain of evidence be enough to convict trump, the sub headline. monday we'll see opening statements. state's case seems strong but a convection is far from assured. if you read to that article there is a lot about the
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the judge is going out of his way to make sure everyone involved in this case is safe, or as safe as they can be. >> the times today's raising the question, will a mountain of evidence be enough to convince -- convict trump, meaning they're asking prosecutors that if a husband hired hitman to kill his wife, the husband is just as guilty as the man who killed the trigger. do you think it is a slamdunk case for the prosecution? >> not a slamdunk but i do think it's a strong case. you have michael cohen, transformer fixer at the center of this. he knows where the bodies are buried and there is corroboration. although trump will call him a convicted perjure her and he did go down the line but he was lying for donald trump and he got others like the former head of the national enquirer who will corroborate. he will be the first witness tomorrow. that will be a powerful witness. plus a trump loyalist who is supposed to corroborate cohen's
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point by failing to convict trump. mitch mcconnell back in 2021, i'll just say what he said, he said that this was the domain of the criminal system. was he wrong? >> well, you know, we're going to see whether the criminal justice system can hold him or should hold him accountable based on, you know, evidence we don't have yet. but would you say that it wasn't just a criminal justice matter. it also was a matter of high constitutional politics and the impeachment process is in the constitution to stop high officials who are abusing their power and for one reason or another, a lot of senate republicans found excuses not to do that and one of them was he's just going to fade away on his own. this is over. what is point of doing this. and i think we could now say definitively, that was obviously mistaken. >> and to your point, the impeachment process is actually designed to cover things that maybe fall short of the criminal
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not -- not say convict trump but just say, let's let the system play out, let's trust the rule of law, let's not attack our court system, let's see whether trump's guilty or not, see what the jury says? >> well, i hope so. i mean it is -- it has been a rough road but i think we are seeing some green shutes and i think we ought to remind ourselves there have been recent surveys that suggest the overwhelming majority of americans think these crimes are serious and disqualifying. we are focused elise stefanick, but recognize how out of the mainstream they are, and also, we're seeing a new willingness on the part of some republicans to go after donald trump. i thought it was interesting that chris christie is doing something this week that nobody did back in 2016. he's going after donald trump, his character, his record, going
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there's an image of mitch mcconnell as the puppet master pulling the strings being steps ahead of everyone else. i just finished reading the excerpt this morning it seems in this case, in one of the most important moments of his career, he wasn't the puppet master he was the puppet having his strings pulled. explain. >> he got sandbagged by his own members. there was a narrative that the republicans would never convict trump, mcconnell would never take that book but our reporting is that he was very close, after january 6th, he was furious with trump, came back to his office and saw the damage to the capitol and told his aides that we all knew trump was crazy, i'm never going to speak to him again. he thought there would be enough republicans to convict trump but then they coalesced about this
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keeping these documents in his basement caused actual harm. so if avril haines and his review finds the source is compromised, or signals intelligence as -- was discovered, that is a critical part of convincing the jury to prosecute. i'm, sorry to convict trump. otherwise he will, say i sat in my basement. his defense lawyers would say there is no real harm here. it is critical on multiple levels with the intelligence community finds. >> charlie, you tweeted in response to this, normally this would be a damage assessment, which they knew after a leak to the public or theft by i spy. but it is clear that the classified information was compromised. this is a risk assessment because it is unknown if any bad actor got to the docks or they just sat there and secure but on the lasted. i understand that the conversation between the two, may, as david just said, bear on what gets done with donald trump and what merrick garland does.
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