this, john. this thing about cootees and it s like there is some physical presence that it disturbs me. people go to work every day, they deal with people they don t know or like in some cases. but they ve got to be in business and sales. nobody ever says i couldn t stand this is high school stuff. i don t even know what it is. and everybody what is it? everybody at this table has been in a room with barack obama. it s really not hard to be near barack obama. he s kind of light presence. he s smart, engaging. he does reach out to people he disagrees with, because he wants to win the argument. he can be, you know, fierce as a debater. but by and large, he s not a difficult person to be around. so it s really not about barack obama in reality. it s about what barack obama stands for, and picking up on what howard and joan said a moment ago. it s rejection, but it s because they really believe we re in a political and cultural fight. and obama embodies everything they ca