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have to be doing. >> a ban on muslims would not have stopped this attack. neither would a wall. >> we'll talk with top trump supporter, senator jeff sessions about trump's response to orlando and his strategy to defeat clinton. plus, trump's relations with the gop go downhill. >> he's a different kind of candidate. >> as trump slides in the polls we'll ask the sunday panel if he can win while fighting with his own party. our power player of the week, putting a fresh face on the people who built the country. >> our nation defines itself by the people who created our history. >> all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again and happy father's day from fox news in washington. as the country mourns the victims of the orlando massacre, the depate has intensified over how to prevent it from happening again. in a moment we'll discuss the terror threat and guns with attorney general loretta lynch and later with a key trump adviser, senator jeff sessions. first fox news correspondent peter doocy has the latest from orlando. >> reporter: chris, this morning at 2:02, exactly one week to the minute after the first shots rang out here on orange avenue, church bells in town rang 49 times, once for every victim. last night the orlando city major league soccer club stopped play in the 49th minute for a moment of silence leaving 49 seats in the stands empty. meanwhile the nightclub turned crime scene is sealed off here in orlando and investigators aren't providing many updates as they trace omar mateen's path to pulse. one victim says he remembers mateen laying among the dead inside to hide from police outside. on friday the fbi interviewed a man at mateen's mosque and the doctor who gave mateen a psychological exam he needed to carry a gun at his security job. now says her name shouldn't be in the records. dr. carol blumberg says, quote, i know in september of 2007 i was not living or working in florida. i was not performing any work for wackenhut and didn't administer any examination to mateen. the community is coming together to honor the dead as funerals continue today. yesterday's service for cory james controversial who wanted to be a firefighter but won't get a chance, orange county fire rescue made him an hon nar member of the department. there are dozens of heart breaking stories like cory's in central florida. 19 victims remain hospitalized as orlando region unanimous medical center with gunshot wounds. chris? >> peter doocy from orlando. thanks for that. joining me now the nation's top law enforcement officer, attorney general loretta lynch. welcome to fox news sunday. >> good morning, chris. >> why isn't the wife of the orlando shooter in jail? we know she went on some of the scouting trips with omar mateen, knew he bought guns and was planning an attack. why not charge her? >> where we are now is in the middle of an aggressive investigation. yes, we are talking to everyone who had contact with this killer. that, of course, includes family members. we want to know what they know, what they saw, what he said to them. the investigation is ongoing. we don't have announcements to make about other individuals at this time to recreate the days, weeks and months of this killer's life before this attack. we are also asking people who had contact with him to come forward and give us the information as well. >> i know you are going to orlando yourself on tuesday. and that tomorrow, the government will release transcripts of all contacts between the fbi and mateen when he was on the terror watchlist. any sense at this point that the government made a mistake when it first put him on and then took him off the terror watch list? >> i am going to orlando on tuesday and i will meet with a team on the ground, victims and first responders and meeting with a brave community, this lgbt, latino community that was targeted in this terrible act of hate and terror. what we are releasing tomorrow are the transcripts of the phone contact between the killer and the orlando negotiators the night of the attack. so it will be a partial transcript of those calls. we are trying to get information out. it's our goal to be as transparent as possible in the investigation. with respect to the prior contact we had with him, we are looking at that. we are going back to look at everything we did in connection with him and be as transparent as possible about how it evolved, what developed and what changes we could have made. >> the senate is set to vote on monday on some gun control measures. under a republican plan if someone on a terror watch list wants to buy a gunpoint the government would have three days, the sale would be halted and the government would have three days to prove probable cause to a judge. why isn't that reasonable? >> we are looking at a plan to give the department of justice the ability to stop a sale if someone is on the watch list but second, and more importantly, if there is litigation about that. of course people would have the right to challenge that. it covers a constitutional right. it gives us the ability to set procedures in place that let us protect sensitive, classified information in the adjudication of an appeal. those issues are important to us. we are supporting the amendment that contains those issues. >> what about the 72-hour deadline that you have to prove probable cause in 72 hours or the gun sale goes through? >> what we think is more appropriate is the one that gives us the most flexibility, the ability to stop the sale at the beginning and the ability again if it's challenged to protect sensitive and classified information. those are the concerns that law enforcement has had some time now about how to manage this very, very difficult and important issue. >> do you know that critics say maximum flexibility, government will take weeks or months. the terror watch list has 800,000 names on it. you know some of the names are there mistakenly. if you will take away someone's constitutional right don't you have to give them due process and prompt due process? >> you have to give them both. we feel the amendment that gives us those important tools lets us do that. in addition to providing due process when a constitutional right is implicated it has to be built into it. we have a very strong law enforcement interest in protecting the types of investigations that, in fact, put people on the watch list or that may be around those individuals. it's important to us that we have the ability to conduct this in a way that lets us protect the information. >> is 72 hours too short a time? >> we think having the maximum flexibility is the best way to achieve that. it lets us determine whether or not the sale should proceed, first of all. we could look at a person and make a determination faster than that or we may not. we may need more time. the american people deserve us to take the greatest time and scrutiny we can in the important decision of whether or not someone has been implicated in this matter should be able to buy a firearm but there has to be a way for people to challenge it. we want that. we also in the course of that need to be able to protect sensitive and classified information. >> on monday, the day after the attack, donald trump said this. >> when i'm elected i will suspend immigration from areas of the world where there is a proven history of terrorism against the united states, europe, or our allies until we fully understand how to end these threats. >> the next day you said this. we have to push back on the voices that prey on fear and that sow division. attorney general lynch, were you talking about donald trump? >> i was not talking about mr. trump or any specific person. i was talking about the climate of fear that comes about after the terrorist attacks that often leads people to react without thinking and to react in fear. sadly it allows them to take the law into their own hands, try to target other individuals. i was talking about the climate that we have seen after so many of these attacks. >> do you think donald trump contributes to that climate? >> i don't have a comment on mr. trump or any candidates. we have to look at the victims of the crime from a community that's often marginalized and the lgbt community is more often the victim of hate crime than any other recognized group. we have to push back against those voice speaking out now that are not supportive of the community. we have to make sure this country stays open, free and inclusive for everyone. >> the question is this to be viewed -- not to say it's one or the other -- as a hate crime or a terror attack. also this week the cia director john brennan said isis is now focused on launching terror attacks outside the middle east. >> the group is exploring a variety of means for infiltrating opportunities into the west including refugee flows, smuggling routes and legitimate methods of travel. >> given that is it unreasonable for donald trump to stay at least temporarily ban refugees from this country? >> what are we talking about when we talk about the terrible attack in orlando? as the president has said it is both an act of terror and an act of hate. clearly there is an individual inspired by terrorist ideology. an attack directed against the lgbt and latino communities. we are trying to find out his motivations, everything we can about what led him to this path, what put him in the nightclub that morning with that firearm. one thing we have talked about before is our concern about home grown extremists. individuals who consume this radical violent ideology and then act on it. of course what we are working on is making sure that our investigations pick up those individuals and also gather as much information as we can from people who know them, from citizens who are concerned about them so that we can, in fact, intervene before this tragedy happens again. >> i want to talk about one other subject with you. president obama recently endorsed hillary clinton for president. take a look. >> i'm with her. i am fired up. i cannot wait to get out there and campaign for hillary. >> now you're a political appointee of the president. does that create a conflict of interest for you? does it make it harder for you to handle the criminal investigation into clinton when your boss is saying he thinks she should be president? >> i don't get involved in whom the president endorses and i don't have comment on any of the candidates. the investigation into the e-mail matter will be handled like any other matter. we have career agents and lawyers looking at that to follow the facts and the evidence and come to a conclusion. >> this does this create a conflict of interest for you? >> not for me, the department or for anyone. we would continue to do our work in the same way in which we always have with the interests of the american people first and foremost. >> the same day clinton was endorsed by the president you met with the president at the white house. did you in any way, shape or form discuss the clinton case with the president? >> we have never discussed the clinton case. i have never spoken about it with the president or anyone at the white house. that's not the relationship i have with the white house. >> thank you for your time. pleasure to talk with you. please come back. >> thank you. >> up next, senator jeff sessions a key policy adviser to trump on his candidate's call for president obama to resign and trump's plan to talk with the nra about gun control. a look at the growing memorial in orlando, florida, for the 49 people killed in last sunday's massacre. after that terror attack at the nightclub, donald trump doubled down on the plan to ban foreign muslims from the u.s. and called on president obama to resign. joining me now, the chair of trump's national security advisory committee senator jeff sessions. senator, welcome back to fox news. >> great to be with you. >> you just heard attorney general lynch defend the administration's position and policies on protecting the homeland. your reaction? >> i think it's still the whole administrative agenda is out of touch with reality. we have a very toxic, extremist group within islam attacking the united states. we have convicted or charged 580 people since 9/11, almost all islamic terrorists are threats. this is a real threat to america. we need to do much more to defend ourselves against it. president obama won't even call the name of the threat. if he's not going to lead, not going to be a force for protecting our security, maybe he should step aside. >> you're not serious. >> he doesn't mean he'll resign or step aside, but the point is it's rhetorical phrasing. either lead or get out of the way. >> i want to get to other issues in a moment. i want to begin by drilling down on guns. trump tweeted this. i will be meeting with the nra who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list or the no fly list to buy guns. senator, do you support your candidate on that? >> yes, it's great to talk with the nra and see if we can work out the language on this. we are so close on the issue. it ought to be able to be fixed easily. the problem is our democratic colleagues are pushing this to try to create an impression that guns were the responsible cause of the attack in orlando. when it's really a toxic ideology. that seduced this man into doing this. we can tighten up the law. it won't make a big difference in securing america's safety. people on the terrorist watch list, i believe should be denied the right to get a gun. but they should have a chance to protest if they are wrongfully on the list. i think that's fair. we should be able to reach language -- >> let's talk about this. this is what i went through with attorney general lynch. the plan that the republicans are putting up says you have 72 hours to give probable cause to satisfy a judge. democrats. you could hear attorney general lynch saying, no, we may need longer than that. trump said yesterday no one on the terror watch list should be able to buy a gun. he didn't say anything about delaying, you know, for a certain period of time for probable cause. he said i would like to see that. it's just simpler. are you saying you support trurp on that? >> i don't think he's saying he would never get somebody off the list if they were wrongfully on it. what lynch said is where i'm comfortable being. you have a delay. you have a chance for the department of justice to prove this person shouldn't be able to execute a constitutional right. you shouldn't have to reveal too much of your internal data that could be compromised our intelligence sources in the process. i think something like that could be worked out. trump is trying to be a positive force. >> how leaders react after a tragedy like the orlando massacre gives people insight into what kind of leader and potential president they would be. i want to ask act the things donald trump has done in the last week. first, his comments the day after the tragedy that seemed to imply that president obama is somehow sympathetic to the terrorists. here he is. >> he doesn't get it or he gets it better than anybody understands, one or the other. either one is unacceptable. we are led by a man that either is not tough, not smart or he's got something else in mind. >> question, do you know what that "something else" trump refers to that he thinks president obama has in mind? >> no, i don't. i don't know what he's referring to there. i do believe he's correct to raise the question that the policies of the administration from going back to 2011 when we went through the troops from iraq and allowed isis to form and become an entity probably would never have happened otherwise. certainly not spread as much as it has. >> forgive me. i want to go to what trump said. either he doesn't get it or he gets it better than anyone understands. he's got something else in mind. that seems to imply that somehow he is sympathetic to radical islam. >> i don't think he means that. he's criticized president obama for going too far, to not understanding the threat. the president and hillary clinton now says she wants to go from 10,000 syrian refugees to 65,000 syrian refugees. when mr. brennan, cia director says we can't do vetting when we know right now a team from the european leaders say are headed to europe to attack europe from so we can't vet these people because we don't have background on them. there is no way to go into the communities and check their records. arrest records or business records. all you have is what they tell you. there is an opportunity to enter the united states and create attacks. >> trump said president obama should resign and hillary clinton should drop out of the race because of the refusal or failure to say the phrase radical islam. here's how the president responded. >> there is no magic to the phrase "radical islam." it is a political talking point, not a strategy. >> now, i understand the argument. you can't beat the enemy unless you identify the enemy. clearly there is an islamisisla jihadist component in this. would you agree with the president that even if you say the name that the real key is what's your plan, what's your strategy to beat isis? >> i don't understand the president's plan on this. when donald trump went at hillary clinton on this for the first time she said the words islamic extremism or something to that effect. because she has been taking an indefensible position. of course that's what it is. you know? of course this is what the threat is. it's out there, growing and cia director indicated it looks like it will continue to grow even though we can have battlefield victories against isis, the threat is still expanding. >> then trump upset some veterans by accusing american soldiers of stealing some of the millions of dollars that the u.s. was supplying to help with reconstruction efforts in iraq and afghanistan. here's trump. >> i want to know who are the soldiers that had that job? i think they are living well now, whoever they may be. >> now, the trump campaign said, no, they were talking about iraqi soldiers but he talked about the same thing last september. it was even clearer then that he was talking about u.s. soldiers with millions of dollars that they were handing out for reconstruction efforts in iraq and afghanistan. >> we put on a huge amount of money in iraq and afghanistan. so much was wasted, abused. used corruptly. no doubt about it. >> do you think u.s. soldiers were stealing it? >> not in general but some were convicted. some u.s. people were convicted of offenses dealing with the abuse of the money. i think we do have a big problem with our allies and the soldiers in iraq and afghanistan. a lot of the money has been poorly spent. we need a tough leader to tighten it up. we don't have money to waste on corruption. >> let's turn to trump and his own party, gop leaders. here's some of what they had to say this week. >> i was asked about every incident last week. i have already said i disapproved of them time and again. >> he's a different kind of candidate. this is a different kind of year. i'm going to be myself and speak up in defense of our principles. >> trump said they should be quiet and he might run alone. can trump run aside, apart, alone from the republican party without all of the infrastructure, the field organization, the database, the fund raising operation they have and that he doesn't have? >> i think we are going to get unity. trump has met with the leaders. >> when? >> he's met with people repeatedly. he talks to congressman ryan, senator mcconnell on the phone in addition to the personal meetings. he's been reaching out to them. let me give advice to my republican colleagues. they need to look at election returns and understand that the american people are not happy with gridlock in america. they are not happy their wages have fallen since 2000 steadily. they're not happy we have high unemployment. they are not happy we have an open border and lawlessness at the border. they believe we should have a lawful system of immigration. it serves their interests. they don't believe the trade deals worked with them. they worked for them. i think the leaders on both sides need to be considering what the american people are saying in this election. they need to be part of the unity, too. >> get out front? >> they need to participate in fixing these things. we haven't been effective in fixing illegal immigration. the trade deal got a lot of votes and support in congress on democrats and republicans. so i think there are a lot of things we need to learn from the american people. >> let's look at the polls, talking about the american people. on may 23 after trump wrapped up the nomination, the real clear politics average had him tied with clinton. now he's trailing by six points and in some polls by double digits. senator, with all the controversy of the last month, especially going after the judge and the trump university case, hasn't trump squandered the last few weeks? >> well, i don't think he squandered it. it's been a difficult time. people want to vote for him. he's correct on the issues. i think he can improve over time. i remember former president bush, senior, down 15 points at the time of the convention in august. with a huge victory. i think this is premature. the issues of what's going to work, what will work for donald trump. wages, gridlock in washington. he'll break et up and move us in the right direction. i believe the numbers will move his way steadily as these are joined in the fall. >> >> some delegates are trying to change the rules in cleveland to make it so no delegates are bound and they could nominate someone other than donald trump. how seriously do you take that? >> i don't take it seriously at all. i hear someone say as many as 30. well, there are 2,400 delegates. trump has swept this election. he had the biggest percentage, biggest number of votes ever in a republican primary. he drew in more votes than the democrats. the republican primary has 2 million more vote thans the democrats. he drew independents and democrats into the republican primary. that's an historic thing. >> senator sessions, thank you for coming in today. good to talk with you, sir. up next our sunday group to discuss after orlando how to protect the homeland. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about president obama's focus on gun control as a way to stop mass shootings? go to facebook or twitter @fox news sunday. we may use your question on the air. our efforts have not reduced the group's terrorism capability and global reach. >> president obama and his cia director with very different assessments of the threat from isis in the wake of the orlando terror attack. time now for the sunday group. fox news senior political analyst brit hume. amy walter, syndicated columnist george will and fox news political analyst juan williams. brit, that was a stunning contradiction on tuesday. you had the president talking about making significant progress against isis and the next day you had the cia director testifying before congress saying, yeah, we are rolling back territory, killing some of their people. in fact, they are a greater threat than ever to the west. >> so obviously what the cia director is saying is that this policy and practice that the administration put into place against isis is not working. the threat is growing. the president would never say that. i don't think brennan will get fired. you put that together with all of the argument about the use of the term radical islamic terrorist or refusal to use it by the administration. this is a point of vulnerability by the administration at a moment when the president's approval rating was rising which is a help to his party's candidate, in this case hillary clinton. this attack, think is for the time being a game changer on that and has thrown the administration on the defensive in the brennan testimony hammers that home. >> we'll get to the political aspects of this in the next segment. let's talk about the substance of what we do. for all the talk about immigration and gun control -- and we'll get to hothose in a moment -- isn't the best way to stop the terror attacks to win the war against isis? >> that's part of the answer. clearly if you diminish the leadership and the united states has been killing off a great number of the leaders of the terror groups and you cut in terms of the terror we saw them pushed out of falujah, for example. the progress on the balt field. the problem is they are relying on alternative strategies. they are expanding their presence in places like nigeria and libya. second we are relying on social media to spread their cancerous ideology. that's an issue there. they are also now saying, excuse me, they can rely on infiltrating refugee flows and the lone wolf attacks. this is a different set of issues. i mean, you can wipe them out in terms of the presence in syria, iraq. but the presence in africa, the presence on social media, the threat in terms of the refugee flows remains, even if you beat them on the battlefield. >> we'd like to know what would happen if they were beaten on the battlefield. their headquarters remains secure as far as we can tell. the question raised by this is how inspired would omar mateen have been if the image of isis was not of a wiber whose power is growing but a loser whose defeat is inevitable and coming soon. >> i think they know defeat is on the way. they are saying don't come into the battlefield anymore. we're losing. instead, engage in lone wolf attacks. >> let me turn to another aspect of this. as usual in the wake of a mass shooting we talk about guns, george. the debate in washington as we vote up in the building behind me on monday on proposals on gun control, moderate republican senator susan collins of maine is proposing a compromise which would bar people on two smaller, more targeted lists from buying guns. does that make sense and is there a chance congress could pass it? >> we have a list of lists now. you have demonstrated that the attorney general, the watch list is too large to be meaningful and doesn't have much consequence. to put someone on the select list, if you're on that list you get exposed to more rigorous examination when you try to board an airplane. >> you are selected out for special security. >> right. wu you would be attaching the loss of a constitutional right which we have established under the heller decision is the right to buy a gun. on the no-fly zone you have already lost the right to travel. they raise different due process questions. when you start changing people's right ail kinds of due process comes in and it's complicated. people say this man in orlando is very odd, lots of indications of instability and danger. something should have been done. it's not clear what the something can be under a constitutional society with the rule of law. a lot of -- i think the average american says how would it have prevented the most recent outreach? it's not clear it would have had any effect at all. a lot of americans when the subject becomes assault weapons. what they describe as assault weapon is a machine gun which has been banned in this country for 82 years since 1934. that's a gun in which a single pull of the trigger results in a constant flow of bullets. there is an enormous separation between the perceived dangers and the effect of any proposal we are hearing. >> let's bring in a panel. we asked you for questions for the panel here. we got an interesting question from mark baker on facebook. he writes, a terrorist without an ar-15 is still capable of mass murder. an ar-15 without a terrorist is not. why does the administration focus on this one variable and not the one common denominator? amy, how do you answer marc? it's so interesting. on one hand you had attorney general lynch saying, look, give due process, give them time. she's saying an unlimited due process. then you get republicans saying giving them 72 hours -- >> something in the middle. wouldn't that be amazing? i think the person who wrote in is suggesting that, too. we live in a world now where partisanship defines policy. when you look at how americans feel about what happened in orlando if you are a democrat you think this is about guns. if you are a republican you think this is about terrorism. these things are not meeting anywhere in the middle. gallup asked how to prevent another orlando. what a majority of americans said, do something about guns. the muslim ban, very, very far down on the list of how this would prevent orlando. i looked at the last time we had compromise on a gun legislation back in the clinton era, 1994 assault weapons ban. 48 republicans voted for it and 77 democrats voted against it. that era doesn't exist anymore. this idea that you could have moderate republicans, conservative democrats and they could come up with a compromise, those people are gone. the only people left in congress is people who believe in the partisanship and ideology. >> i want to go back to cia director brennan's warning that as they are losing territory that isis is focused more on foreign attacks and he specifically talked about using the flow of refugees into the west. in a sense doesn't that track with what donald trump has been saying? >> it does. it illustrates that why trump rings a bell with so many people on that issue.know, it's been af the primary season, chris. in the polling that was done in state after state among republican voters, immigration was ranked very low. but there is no other way to look at trump's success without concluding that his stand on immigration, which i think in a lot of people's minds blends into limiting all immigration, legal and illegal has been a winner for him. and may continue to be. if as he says there are more of these attacks and he says there will be, i think that helps him. >> that's interesting. the issue of immigration was low. they were calling it -- in their own mind they don't think of it as the issue of immigration. >> terrorism when we come back, the politics of the latest terror attack and the growing divide between donald trump and the gop. plus, what do you think? will trump pivot and become a more effective candidate for the general election? they know on facebook or twitter on fox news sunday. use # fns. a ban on muslims would not have stopped this attack. neither would a wall. i don't know how one builds a wall to keep the internet out. >> she's in total denial and her continuing reluctance to ever name the enemy broadcasts weakness across the entire world. true weakness. >> the orlando massacre revived the debate between trump and clinton this week over how they would fight the war on terror. we are back with the panel. a couple of segments ago we talked with senator sessions about how the poll numbers are dropping. one of the few areas he leads clinton is on the issue of who would be better to take on and defeat isis. on the other hand, this also plays into clinton's attack on trump as being unfit, not having the temperament to be president. how do you see the attack in orlando and the growing fear about terrorism cutting politically in the trump-clinton race. >> it is an interesting dichotomy. voters overwhelmingly look to see who they want to vote, they don't go issue by issue. this person is better on this, on this. they have a sense of which person they think is fit to do the job. that's obviously why hillary clinton is trying to make the issue not just that he's unpredictable but dangerous. he doesn't have the temperament or judgment. there is a very strong case to be prosecuted against the obama administration and hillary clinton. their role in dealing with isis and lib yachlt instead where donald trump goes is he talks about the muslim ban, gets in fight with candidates and divides the party about how to deal with the issue of a muslim ban. so there is nobody there making that case. it's not just the trump campaign. he has no surrogates. there is no money being spent on television ads, no super pacs. he's an island unto himself. there is noreen formt he's getting. meanwhile, hillary clinton is making the case every day and her allies are making the case on television and in focused, direct messaging to voters. >> i would love to continue on this same issue. on the one hand, you know, as amy says to the degree that you have these terror attacks that isis is still in the march you can make the case against obama and against clinton as secretary of state on the other hand as we went through with senator sessions. talking about what else barack obama has in mind. >> it's worth noting in every campaign cycle there are moments when the candidate gets a fresh look from the voters. these moments are few and you can't afford to waste them. there will be more. trump had one. he finished, you may recall, wrapped up before she had. he had an opportunity to get people to it would have helped him. as amy pointed out he hasn't done that really. he's undisciplined, all over the place. he gets in a fight over the ethnic background of a federal judge that has to do with a case involving trump university. totally unrelated to the campaign. he over states the case against obama by suggesting the president may be sympathetic possibly to the bad guys and the rest. it all adds up to a wasted opportunity and an opening for hillary clinton who has moved aggressively. it's hard to think about what the campaign is about. right now it's i'm not trump and you don't want him and it's working. >> i want to flip it a little bit into something else we talked about with senator sessions. trump wasn't just fighting with clinton and obama. he was also fighting with the party. he basically said he could walk away from the party. as we showed in the clips of mcconnell and ryan they were talking about walking away from him. can trump win without the rnc and the infrastructure. >> trump is an island and delighted to remain so. where will he get 52 million? that's a lot of votes. donald trump's assumption clearly at this point is running in a primary against 16 opponents is pretty much the same as running in a protracted general election against one well-funded, tough democratic machine. that's unlikely. what the democrats have is a get out the vote mechanism that this is going to be a mobilization election, not a persuasion election. there aren't that many americans waiting to be persuaded on either side. if he doesn't have a get out the vote mechanism what he has is crowds and he seems to confuse the enthusiasm of the crowds in front of him at the moment in high school auditoriums with the larger electorate. in fact, crowds are definitionally not a representative selection of the american people. >> juan, it's not like hillary clinton isn't a vulnerable canada cat. her unfavorable numbers aren't 70% but they are 55. she has a criminal investigation going on at the fbi. to the degree you are not happy with obama policies she can be held responsible for those. yet to the degree they make this referendum on trump, not on her. >> brit is on target here. it's about trump. we can talk about hillary clinton's deficits but the emphasis, public attention is on trump. at least from my perspective he's an unattractive alternative. you say who else is in the race? it's not 16 other people as george was saying. it's one person. the alternative to safe us from trump is to ban hillary clinton. among republicans ryan is in a tight spot. he said this guy is practicing textbook racism and says to republican colleagues running for congress in the senate, oh, just rely on your conscience. the base will say the establishment didn't back trump. that's why he lost. he will blame paul ryan if trump loses. ryan, mcconnell, all the guys are trying to just look the other way. >> less than a minute, amy. the frustration is so much and it's just a handful, 30 people. some say let's go to cleveland, change the rules, unbind everybody and have a free vote. has that got a chance? >> it would tear the party amuch more than this. i don't understand how it would help anything other -- >> the idea of 13 million people vote for this guy? >> and also if you think donald trump will just walk away and go, you're right, you guys. i didn't get the nomination. i'll go sit quietly mere. give me a break. >> let's see what happens if hillary's lead grows to something between 15 and 20 points. i think that would change the atmosphere dramatically. i doubt it will happen but it is possible. >> thank you, panel. see you all next sunday. up next the power player of the week putting a fresh face on american history. tired of re-dosing antacids? try duo fusion! new, two in one heartburn relief. the antacid goes to work in seconds... and the acid reducer lasts up to 12 hours in one chewable tablet. try new duo fusion. from the makers of zantac. the head of one museum in washington loves thinking outside the box and she's our power player of the week. >> we define ourselves and the nation defines itself by people who created our history. >> kim sayed is director of the national portrait gallery which chronicles the people who built america. since she took over three years ago sayat who was raised in australia is trying to raise our understanding of who people are. >> he hated this picture. he had to put on his wig. it was very sort of formal. >> we began in the most traditional part of the museum, america's presidents with a painting of thomas jefferson. they have 1600 portraits of the 44 presidents. she took us to a different collection called eye pop. it keeps changing. >> this is realtime. every word they say conjures up images in the back. in fact, every word is then googled. >> so it's in effect googling the google guys. >> it is current today literally as of the moment you're in front of it. it will be different three seconds from now. >> more than different portraits, she's tried to deal with the fact most are of dead white men. only 25% of the collection portrays women. even fewer, people of color. >> we do not believe in going back in time and trying to guess, for example, what somebody looked like. but what we are trying to do is sort of talk about the presence of absence. >> so they put on performance art. in this case of a civil war nurse. >> william h. mills, delaware. >> they commissioned a composite portrait on six acres of the national mall called out of many, one. ♪ chain, chain, chain >> and sajet started the american portrait gala honoring people whose pictures are in the collection from aretha franklin to hank aaron. last year ted cruz and other conservatives objected to a bust of margaret sanger, one of the pioneers of birth control who was accused of trying to limit black reproduction. >> as someone who wants this museum to be as contemporary and relevant as possible do you like these continroversiecontroversi conversation with the american public. >> the museum are is a community meeting place where people put down the electronic devices, engages with art and each other. >> if i can create an environment where people stop for a minute and think about where they are, where they have been, perhaps where they would like to go, that's a win. >> sajet planned an all-video exhibition of portraits this fall. she wants it to be so moving it makes people cry. that's it for today. have a happy father's day. for all you kids out there, especially mine, call your dad. we'll see you next fox news sunday. ttttt us on facebook at kelly file." and welcome to the special edition of hannity jihad in america. now tonight for the entire hour we'll examine the growing threat of radical islam right here in the u.s. now, the orlando terror attack is only the latest example of how radical islamists will want to destroy your freedom and your way of life. let's take a look. and we've just got word of not one, but two explosions near the finish line at the boston

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because we are not doing what we have to be doing. >> a ban on muslims would not have stopped this attack. neither would a wall. >> we'll talk with top trump supporter, senator jeff sessions about trump's response to orlando and his strategy to defeat clinton. plus, trump's relations with the gop go downhill. >> he's a different kind of candidate. >> as trump slides in the polls we'll ask the sunday panel if he can win while fighting with his own party. our power player of the week, putting a fresh face on the people who built the country. >> our nation defines itself by the people who created our history. >> all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again and happy father's day from fox news in washington. as the country mourns the victims of the orlando massacre, the depate has intensified over how to prevent it from happening again. in a moment we'll discuss the terror threat and guns with attorney general loretta lynch and later with a key trump adviser, senator jeff sessions. first fox news correspondent peter doocy has the latest from orlando. >> reporter: chris, this morning at 2:02, exactly one week to the minute after the first shots rang out here on orange avenue, church bells in town rang 49 times, once for every victim. last night the orlando city major league soccer club stopped play in the 49th minute for a moment of silence leaving 49 seats in the stands empty. meanwhile the nightclub turned crime scene is sealed off here in orlando and investigators aren't providing many updates as they trace omar mateen's path to pulse. one victim says he remembers mateen laying among the dead inside to hide from police outside. on friday the fbi interviewed a man at mateen's mosque and the doctor who gave mateen a psychological exam he needed to carry a gun at his security job. now says her name shouldn't be in the records. dr. carol blumberg says, quote, i know in september of 2007 i was not living or working in florida. i was not performing any work for wackenhut and didn't administer any examination to mateen. the community is coming together to honor the dead as funerals continue today. yesterday's service for cory james controversial who wanted to be a firefighter but won't get a chance, orange county fire rescue made him an hon nar member of the department. there are dozens of heart breaking stories like cory's in central florida. 19 victims remain hospitalized as orlando region unanimous medical center with gunshot wounds. chris? >> peter doocy from orlando. thanks for that. joining me now the nation's top law enforcement officer, attorney general loretta lynch. welcome to fox news sunday. >> good morning, chris. >> why isn't the wife of the orlando shooter in jail? we know she went on some of the scouting trips with omar mateen, knew he bought guns and was planning an attack. why not charge her? >> where we are now is in the middle of an aggressive investigation. yes, we are talking to everyone who had contact with this killer. that, of course, includes family members. we want to know what they know, what they saw, what he said to them. the investigation is ongoing. we don't have announcements to make about other individuals at this time. we are trying to recreate the days, weeks and months of this killer's life before this attack. we are also asking people who had contact with him to come forward and give us the information as well. >> i know you are going to orlando yourself on tuesday. and that tomorrow, the government will release transcripts of all contacts between the fbi and mateen when he was on the terror watchlist. any sense at this point that the government made a mistake when it first put him on and then took him off the terror watch list? >> i am going to orlando on tuesday and i will meet with a team on the ground, victims and first responders and meeting with a brave community, this lgbt, latino community that was targeted in this terrible act of hate and terror. what we are releasing tomorrow are the transcripts of the phone contact between the killer and the orlando negotiators the night of the attack. so it will be a partial transcript of those calls. we are trying to get information out. it's our goal to be as transparent as possible in the investigation. with respect to the prior contact we had with him, we are looking at that. we are going back to look at everything we did in connection with him and be as transparent as possible about how it evolved, what developed and what changes we could have made. >> the senate is set to vote on monday on some gun control measures. under a republican plan if someone on a terror watch list wants to buy a gunpoint the government would have three days, the sale would be halted and the government would have three days to prove probable cause to a judge. why isn't that reasonable? >> we are looking at a plan to give the department of justice the ability to stop a sale if someone is on the watch list but second, and more importantly, if there is litigation about that. of course people would have the right to challenge that. it covers a constitutional right. it gives us the ability to set procedures in place that let us protect sensitive, classified information in the adjudication of an appeal. those issues are important to us. we are supporting the amendment that contains those issues. >> what about the 72-hour deadline that you have to prove probable cause in 72 hours or the gun sale goes through? >> what we think is more appropriate is the one that gives us the most flexibility, the ability to stop the sale at the beginning and the ability again if it's challenged to protect sensitive and classified information. those are the concerns that law enforcement has had some time now about how to manage this very, very difficult and important issue. >> do you know that critics say maximum flexibility, government will take weeks or months. the terror watch list has 800,000 names on it. you know some of the names are there mistakenly. if you will take away someone's constitutional right don't you have to give them due process and prompt due process? >> you have to give them both. we feel the amendment that gives us those important tools lets us do that. in addition to providing due process when a constitutional right is implicated it has to be built into it. we have a very strong law enforcement interest in protecting the types of investigations that, in fact, put people on the watch list or that may be around those individuals. it's important to us that we have the ability to conduct this in a way that lets us protect the information. >> is 72 hours too short a time? >> we think having the maximum flexibility is the best way to achieve that. it lets us determine whether or not the sale should proceed, first of all. we could look at a person and make a determination faster than that or we may not. we may need more time. the american people deserve us to take the greatest time and scrutiny we can in the important decision of whether or not someone has been implicated in this matter should be able to buy a firearm but there has to be a way for people to challenge it. we want that. we also in the course of that need to be able to protect sensitive and classified information. >> on monday, the day after the attack, donald trump said this. >> when i'm elected i will suspend immigration from areas of the world where there is a proven history of terrorism against the united states, europe, or our allies until we fully understand how to end these threats. >> the next day you said this. we have to push back on the voices that prey on fear and that sow division. attorney general lynch, were you talking about donald trump? >> i was not talking about mr. trump or any specific person. i was talking about the climate of fear that comes about after the terrorist attacks that often leads people to react without thinking and to react in fear. sadly it allows them to take the law into their own hands, try to target other individuals. i was talking about the climate that we have seen after so many of these attacks. >> do you think donald trump contributes to that climate? >> i don't have a comment on mr. trump or any candidates. we have to look at the victims of the crime from a community that's often marginalized and the lgbt community is more often the victim of hate crime than any other recognized group. we have to push back against those voice speaking out now that are not supportive of the community. we have to make sure this country stays open, free and inclusive for everyone. >> the question is this to be viewed -- not to say it's one or the other -- as a hate crime or a terror attack. also this week the cia director john brennan said isis is now focused on launching terror attacks outside the middle east. >> the group is exploring a variety of means for infiltrating opportunities into the west including refugee flows, smuggling routes and legitimate methods of travel. >> given that is it unreasonable for donald trump to stay at least temporarily ban refugees from this country? >> what are we talking about when we talk about the terrible attack in orlando? as the president has said it is both an act of terror and an act of hate. clearly there is an individual inspired by terrorist ideology. an attack directed against the lgbt and latino communities. we are trying to find out his motivations, everything we can about what led him to this path, what put him in the nightclub that morning with that firearm. one thing we have talked about before is our concern about home grown extremists. individuals who consume this radical violent ideology and then act on it. of course what we are working on is making sure that our investigations pick up those individuals and also gather as much information as we can from people who know them, from citizens who are concerned about them so that we can, in fact, intervene before this tragedy happens again. >> i want to talk about one other subject with you. president obama recently endorsed hillary clinton for president. take a look. >> i'm with her. i am fired up. i cannot wait to get out there and campaign for hillary. >> now you're a political appointee of the president. does that create a conflict of interest for you? does it make it harder for you to handle the criminal investigation into clinton when your boss is saying he thinks she should be president? >> i don't get involved in whom the president endorses and i don't have comment on any of the candidates. the investigation into the e-mail matter will be handled like any other matter. we have career agents and lawyers looking at that to follow the facts and the evidence and come to a conclusion. >> this does this create a conflict of interest for you? >> not for me, the department or for anyone. we would continue to do our work in the same way in which we always have with the interests of the american people first and foremost. >> the same day clinton was endorsed by the president you met with the president at the white house. did you in any way, shape or form discuss the clinton case with the president? >> we have never discussed the clinton case. i have never spoken about it with the president or anyone at the white house. that's not the relationship i have with the white house. >> thank you for your time. pleasure to talk with you. please come back. >> thank you. >> up next, senator jeff sessions a key policy adviser to trump on his candidate's call for president obama to resign and trump's plan to talk with the nra about gun control. defiance is in our bones. our citracal bones. easily absorbed ca defy bone aging with citracal maximum. our highest level of calcium plus d. once i left the hospital after a dvt blood clot. what about my wife... ...what we're building together... ...and could this happen again? 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"may i be excused?" get the new xfinity tv app and for the first time ever stream live tv, watch on demand, and download your dvr shows anywhere. a look at the growing memorial in orlando, florida, for the 49 people killed in last sunday's massacre. after that terror attack at the nightclub, donald trump doubled down on the plan to ban foreign muslims from the u.s. and called on president obama to resign. joining me now, the chair of trump's national security advisory committee senator jeff sessions. senator, welcome back to fox news. >> great to be with you. >> you just heard attorney general lynch defend the administration's position and policies on protecting the homeland. your reaction? >> i think it's still the whole administrative agenda is out of touch with reality. we have a very toxic, extremist group within islam attacking the united states. we have convicted or charged 580 people since 9/11, almost all islamic terrorists are threats. this is a real threat to america. we need to do much more to defend ourselves against it. president obama won't even call the name of the threat. if he's not going to lead, not going to be a force for protecting our security, maybe he should step aside. >> you're not serious. >> he doesn't mean he'll resign or step aside, but the point is it's rhetorical phrasing. either lead or get out of the way. >> i want to get to other issues in a moment. i want to begin by drilling down on guns. trump tweeted this. i will be meeting with the nra who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list or the no fly list to buy guns. senator, do you support your candidate on that? >> yes, it's great to talk with the nra and see if we can work out the language on this. we are so close on the issue. it ought to be able to be fixed easily. the problem is our democratic colleagues are pushing this to try to create an impression that guns were the responsible cause of the attack in orlando. when it's really a toxic ideology. that seduced this man into doing this. we can tighten up the law. it won't make a big difference in securing america's safety. people on the terrorist watch list, i believe should be denied the right to get a gun. but they should have a chance to protest if they are wrongfully on the list. i think that's fair. we should be able to reach language -- >> let's talk about this. this is what i went through with attorney general lynch. the plan that the republicans are putting up says you have 72 hours to give probable cause to satisfy a judge. democrats. you could hear attorney general lynch saying, no, we may need longer than that. trump said yesterday no one on the terror watch list should be able to buy a gun. he didn't say anything about delaying, you know, for a certain period of time for probable cause. he said i would like to see that. it's just simpler. are you saying you support trurp on that? >> i don't think he's saying he would never get somebody off the list if they were wrongfully on it. what lynch said is where i'm comfortable being. you have a delay. you have a chance for the department of justice to prove this person shouldn't be able to execute a constitutional right. you shouldn't have to reveal too much of your internal data that could be compromised our intelligence sources in the process. i think something like that could be worked out. trump is trying to be a positive force. >> how leaders react after a tragedy like the orlando massacre gives people insight into what kind of leader and potential president they would be. i want to ask act the things donald trump has done in the last week. first, his comments the day after the tragedy that seemed to imply that president obama is somehow sympathetic to the terrorists. here he is. >> he doesn't get it or he gets it better than anybody understands, one or the other. either one is unacceptable. we are led by a man that either is not tough, not smart or he's got something else in mind. >> question, do you know what that "something else" trump refers to that he thinks president obama has in mind? >> no, i don't. i don't know what he's referring to there. i do believe he's correct to raise the question that the policies of the administration from going back to 2011 when we went through the troops from iraq and allowed isis to form and become an entity probably would never have happened otherwise. certainly not spread as much as it has. >> forgive me. i want to go to what trump said. either he doesn't get it or he gets it better than anyone understands. he's got something else in mind. that seems to imply that somehow he is sympathetic to radical islam. >> i don't think he means that. he's criticized president obama for going too far, to not understanding the threat. the president and hillary clinton now says she wants to go from 10,000 syrian refugees to 65,000 syrian refugees. when mr. brennan, cia director says we can't do vetting when we know right now a team from the european leaders say are headed to europe to attack europe from syria. so we can't vet these people because we don't have background on them. there is no way to go into the communities and check their records. arrest records or business records. all you have is what they tell you. there is an opportunity to enter the united states and create attacks. >> trump said president obama should resign and hillary clinton should drop out of the race because of the refusal or failure to say the phrase radical islam. here's how the president responded. >> there is no magic to the phrase "radical islam." it is a political talking point, not a strategy. >> now, i understand the argument. you can't beat the enemy unless you identify the enemy. clearly there is an islamisisla jihadist component in this. would you agree with the president that even if you say the name that the real key is what's your plan, what's your strategy to beat isis? >> i don't understand the president's plan on this. when donald trump went at hillary clinton on this for the first time she said the words islamic extremism or something to that effect. because she has been taking an indefensible position. of course that's what it is. you know? of course this is what the threat is. it's out there, growing and cia director indicated it looks like it will continue to grow even though we can have battlefield victories against isis, the threat is still expanding. >> then trump upset some veterans by accusing american soldiers of stealing some of the millions of dollars that the u.s. was supplying to help with reconstruction efforts in iraq and afghanistan. here's trump. >> i want to know who are the soldiers that had that job? i think they are living well now, whoever they may be. >> now, the trump campaign said, no, they were talking about iraqi soldiers but he talked about the same thing last september. it was even clearer then that he was talking about u.s. soldiers with millions of dollars that they were handing out for reconstruction efforts in iraq and afghanistan. >> we put on a huge amount of money in iraq and afghanistan. so much was wasted, abused. used corruptly. no doubt about it. >> do you think u.s. soldiers were stealing it? >> not in general but some were convicted. some u.s. people were convicted of offenses dealing with the abuse of the money. i think we do have a big problem with our allies and the soldiers in iraq and afghanistan. a lot of the money has been poorly spent. we need a tough leader to tighten it up. we don't have money to waste on corruption. >> let's turn to trump and his own party, gop leaders. here's some of what they had to say this week. >> i was asked about every incident last week. i have already said i disapproved of them time and again. >> he's a different kind of candidate. this is a different kind of year. i'm going to be myself and speak up in defense of our principles. >> trump said they should be quiet and he might run alone. can trump run aside, apart, alone from the republican party without all of the infrastructure, the field organization, the database, the fund raising operation they have and that he doesn't have? >> i think we are going to get unity. trump has met with the leaders. >> when? >> he's met with people repeatedly. he talks to congressman ryan, senator mcconnell on the phone in addition to the personal meetings. he's been reaching out to them. let me give advice to my republican colleagues. they need to look at election returns and understand that the american people are not happy with gridlock in america. they are not happy their wages have fallen since 2000 steadily. they're not happy we have high unemployment. they are not happy we have an open border and lawlessness at the border. they believe we should have a lawful system of immigration. it serves their interests. they don't believe the trade deals worked with them. they worked for them. i think the leaders on both sides need to be considering what the american people are saying in this election. they need to be part of the unity, too. >> get out front? >> they need to participate in fixing these things. we haven't been effective in fixing illegal immigration. the trade deal got a lot of votes and support in congress on democrats and republicans. so i think there are a lot of things we need to learn from the american people. >> let's look at the polls, talking about the american people. on may 23 after trump wrapped up the nomination, the real clear politics average had him tied with clinton. now he's trailing by six points and in some polls by double digits. senator, with all the controversy of the last month, especially going after the judge and the trump university case, hasn't trump squandered the last few weeks? >> well, i don't think he squandered it. it's been a difficult time. people want to vote for him. he's correct on the issues. i think he can improve over time. i remember former president bush, senior, down 15 points at the time of the convention in august. with a huge victory. i think this is premature. the issues of what's going to work, what will work for donald trump. wages, gridlock in washington. he'll break et up and move us in the right direction. i believe the numbers will move his way steadily as these are joined in the fall. >> >> some delegates are trying to change the rules in cleveland to make it so no delegates are bound and they could nominate someone other than donald trump. how seriously do you take that? >> i don't take it seriously at all. i hear someone say as many as 30. well, there are 2,400 delegates. trump has swept this election. he had the biggest percentage, biggest number of votes ever in a republican primary. he drew in more votes than the democrats. the republican primary has 2 million more vote thans the democrats. he drew independents and democrats into the republican primary. that's an historic thing. >> senator sessions, thank you for coming in today. good to talk with you, sir. up next our sunday group to discuss after orlando how to protect the homeland. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about president obama's focus on gun control as a way to stop mass shootings? 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>> that's part of the answer. clearly if you diminish the leadership and the united states has been killing off a great number of the leaders of the terror groups and you cut in terms of the terror we saw them pushed out of falujah, for example. the progress on the balt field. the problem is they are relying on alternative strategies. they are expanding their presence in places like nigeria and libya. second we are relying on social media to spread their cancerous ideology. that's an issue there. they are also now saying, excuse me, they can rely on infiltrating refugee flows and the lone wolf attacks. this is a different set of issues. i mean, you can wipe them out in terms of the presence in syria, iraq. but the presence in africa, the presence on social media, the threat in terms of the refugee flows remains, even if you beat them on the battlefield. >> we'd like to know what would happen if they were beaten on the battlefield. their headquarters remains secure as far as we can tell. the question raised by this is how inspired would omar mateen have been if the image of isis was not of a wiber whose power is growing but a loser whose defeat is inevitable and coming soon. >> i think they know defeat is on the way. they are saying don't come into the battlefield anymore. we're losing. instead, engage in lone wolf attacks. >> let me turn to another aspect of this. as usual in the wake of a mass shooting we talk about guns, george. the debate in washington as we vote up in the building behind me on monday on proposals on gun control, moderate republican senator susan collins of maine is proposing a compromise which would bar people on two smaller, more targeted lists from buying guns. does that make sense and is there a chance congress could pass it? >> we have a list of lists now. you have demonstrated that the attorney general, the watch list is too large to be meaningful and doesn't have much consequence. to put someone on the select list, if you're on that list you get exposed to more rigorous examination when you try to board an airplane. >> you are selected out for special security. >> right. wu you would be attaching the loss of a constitutional right which we have established under the heller decision is the right to buy a gun. on the no-fly zone you have already lost the right to travel. they raise different due process questions. when you start changing people's right ail kinds of due process comes in and it's complicated. people say this man in orlando is very odd, lots of indications of instability and danger. something should have been done. it's not clear what the something can be under a constitutional society with the rule of law. a lot of -- i think the average american says how would it have prevented the most recent outreach? it's not clear it would have had any effect at all. a lot of americans when the subject becomes assault weapons. what they describe as assault weapon is a machine gun which has been banned in this country for 82 years since 1934. that's a gun in which a single pull of the trigger results in a constant flow of bullets. there is an enormous separation between the perceived dangers and the effect of any proposal we are hearing. >> let's bring in a panel. we asked you for questions for the panel here. we got an interesting question from mark baker on facebook. he writes, a terrorist without an ar-15 is still capable of mass murder. an ar-15 without a terrorist is not. why does the administration focus on this one variable and not the one common denominator? amy, how do you answer marc? it's so interesting. on one hand you had attorney general lynch saying, look, give due process, give them time. she's saying an unlimited due process. then you get republicans saying giving them 72 hours -- >> something in the middle. wouldn't that be amazing? i think the person who wrote in is suggesting that, too. we live in a world now where partisanship defines policy. when you look at how americans feel about what happened in orlando if you are a democrat you think this is about guns. if you are a republican you think this is about terrorism. these things are not meeting anywhere in the middle. gallup asked how to prevent another orlando. what a majority of americans said, do something about guns. the muslim ban, very, very far down on the list of how this would prevent orlando. i looked at the last time we had compromise on a gun legislation back in the clinton era, 1994 assault weapons ban. 48 republicans voted for it and 77 democrats voted against it. that era doesn't exist anymore. this idea that you could have moderate republicans, conservative democrats and they could come up with a compromise, those people are gone. the only people left in congress is people who believe in the partisanship and ideology. >> i want to go back to cia director brennan's warning that as they are losing territory that isis is focused more on foreign attacks and he specifically talked about using the flow of refugees into the west. in a sense doesn't that track with what donald trump has been saying? >> it does. it illustrates that why trump rings a bell with so many people on that issue. you know, it's been a paradox of the primary season, chris. in the polling that was done in state after state among republican voters, immigration was ranked very low. but there is no other way to look at trump's success without concluding that his stand on immigration, which i think in a lot of people's minds blends into limiting all immigration, legal and illegal has been a winner for him. and may continue to be. if as he says there are more of these attacks and he says there will be, i think that helps him. >> that's interesting. the issue of immigration was low. they were calling it -- in their own mind they don't think of it as the issue of immigration. >> terrorism when we come back, the politics of the latest terror attack and the growing divide between donald trump and the gop. plus, what do you think? will trump pivot and become a more effective candidate for the general election? they know on facebook or twitter on fox news sunday. use # fns. ♪ some neighbors are energy saving superstars. how do you become a superstar? with pg&e's free online home energy checkup. in just under 5 minutes you can see how you use energy and get quick and easy tips on how to keep your monthly bill down and your energy savings up. don't let your neighbor enjoy all the savings. take the free home energy checkup. honey, we need a new refrigerator. visit pge.com/checkup and get started today. a ban on muslims would not have stopped this attack. neither would a wall. i don't know how one builds a wall to keep the internet out. >> she's in total denial and her continuing reluctance to ever name the enemy broadcasts weakness across the entire world. true weakness. >> the orlando massacre revived the debate between trump and clinton this week over how they would fight the war on terror. we are back with the panel. a couple of segments ago we talked with senator sessions about how the poll numbers are dropping. one of the few areas he leads clinton is on the issue of who would be better to take on and defeat isis. on the other hand, this also plays into clinton's attack on trump as being unfit, not having the temperament to be president. how do you see the attack in orlando and the growing fear about terrorism cutting politically in the trump-clinton race. >> it is an interesting dichotomy. voters overwhelmingly look to see who they want to vote, they don't go issue by issue. this person is better on this, on this. they have a sense of which person they think is fit to do the job. that's obviously why hillary clinton is trying to make the issue not just that he's unpredictable but dangerous. he doesn't have the temperament or judgment. there is a very strong case to be prosecuted against the obama administration and hillary clinton. their role in dealing with isis and lib yachlt instead where donald trump goes is he talks about the muslim ban, gets in fight with candidates and divides the party about how to deal with the issue of a muslim ban. so there is nobody there making that case. it's not just the trump campaign. he has no surrogates. there is no money being spent on television ads, no super pacs. he's an island unto himself. there is noreen formt he's getting. meanwhile, hillary clinton is making the case every day and her allies are making the case on television and in focused, direct messaging to voters. >> i would love to continue on this same issue. on the one hand, you know, as amy says to the degree that you have these terror attacks that isis is still in the march you can make the case against obama and against clinton as secretary of state on the other hand as we went through with senator sessions. talking about what else barack obama has in mind. >> it's worth noting in every campaign cycle there are moments when the candidate gets a fresh look from the voters. these moments are few and you can't afford to waste them. there will be more. trump had one. he finished, you may recall, wrapped up before she had. he had an opportunity to get people to it would have helped him. as amy pointed out he hasn't done that really. he's undisciplined, all over the place. he gets in a fight over the ethnic background of a federal judge that has to do with a case involving trump university. totally unrelated to the campaign. he over states the case against obama by suggesting the president may be sympathetic possibly to the bad guys and the rest. it all adds up to a wasted opportunity and an opening for hillary clinton who has moved aggressively. it's hard to think about what the campaign is about. right now it's i'm not trump and you don't want him and it's working. >> i want to flip it a little bit into something else we talked about with senator sessions. trump wasn't just fighting with clinton and obama. he was also fighting with the party. he basically said he could walk away from the party. as we showed in the clips of mcconnell and ryan they were talking about walking away from him. can trump win without the rnc and the infrastructure. >> trump is an island and delighted to remain so. where will he get 52 million? that's a lot of votes. donald trump's assumption clearly at this point is running in a primary against 16 opponents is pretty much the same as running in a protracted general election against one well-funded, tough democratic machine. that's unlikely. what the democrats have is a get out the vote mechanism that this is going to be a mobilization election, not a persuasion election. there aren't that many americans waiting to be persuaded on either side. if he doesn't have a get out the vote mechanism what he has is crowds and he seems to confuse the enthusiasm of the crowds in front of him at the moment in high school auditoriums with the larger electorate. in fact, crowds are definitionally not a representative selection of the american people. >> juan, it's not like hillary clinton isn't a vulnerable canada cat. her unfavorable numbers aren't 70% but they are 55. she has a criminal investigation going on at the fbi. to the degree you are not happy with obama policies she can be held responsible for those. yet to the degree they make this referendum on trump, not on her. >> brit is on target here. it's about trump. we can talk about hillary clinton's deficits but the emphasis, public attention is on trump. at least from my perspective he's an unattractive alternative. you say who else is in the race? it's not 16 other people as george was saying. it's one person. the alternative to safe us from trump is to ban hillary clinton. among republicans ryan is in a tight spot. he said this guy is practicing textbook racism and says to republican colleagues running for congress in the senate, oh, just rely on your conscience. the base will say the establishment didn't back trump. that's why he lost. he will blame paul ryan if trump loses. ryan, mcconnell, all the guys are trying to just look the other way. >> less than a minute, amy. the frustration is so much and it's just a handful, 30 people. some say let's go to cleveland, change the rules, unbind everybody and have a free vote. has that got a chance? >> it would tear the party amuch more than this. i don't understand how it would help anything other -- >> the idea of 13 million people vote for this guy? >> and also if you think donald trump will just walk away and go, you're right, you guys. i didn't get the nomination. i'll go sit quietly mere. give me a break. >> let's see what happens if hillary's lead grows to something between 15 and 20 points. i think that would change the atmosphere dramatically. i doubt it will happen but it is possible. >> thank you, panel. see you all next sunday. up next the power player of the week putting a fresh face on american history. before i had the shooting, burning, pins-and-needles of diabetic nerve pain, these feet were the first in my family to graduate from college, raised active twin girls, and trained as a nurse. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain. lyrica is fda approved to treat this pain. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs, and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. now i have less diabetic nerve pain. and i love helping little ones get off on the right foot. ask your doctor about lyrica. the head of one museum in washington loves thinking outside the box and she's our power player of the week. >> we define ourselves and the nation defines itself by people who created our history. >> kim sayed is director of the national portrait gallery which chronicles the people who built america. since she took over three years ago sayat who was raised in australia is trying to raise our understanding of who people are. >> he hated this picture. he had to put on his wig. it was very sort of formal. >> we began in the most traditional part of the museum, america's presidents with a painting of thomas jefferson. they have 1600 portraits of the 44 presidents. she took us to a different collection called eye pop. it keeps changing. >> this is realtime. every word they say conjures up images in the back. in fact, every word is then googled. >> so it's in effect googling the google guys. >> it is current today literally as of the moment you're in front of it. it will be different three seconds from now. >> more than different portraits, she's tried to deal with the fact most are of dead white men. only 25% of the collection portrays women. even fewer, people of color. >> we do not believe in going back in time and trying to guess, for example, what somebody looked like. but what we are trying to do is sort of talk about the presence of absence. >> so they put on performance art. in this case of a civil war nurse. >> william h. mills, delaware. >> they commissioned a composite portrait on six acres of the national mall called out of many, one. ♪ chain, chain, chain >> and sajet started the american portrait gala honoring people whose pictures are in the collection from aretha franklin to hank aaron. last year ted cruz and other conservatives objected to a bust of margaret sanger, one of the pioneers of birth control who was accused of trying to limit black reproduction. >> as someone who wants this museum to be as contemporary and relevant as possible do you like these continroversiecontroversi? 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