do, we have a customer service hot line that we turned into a nonemergency call center, and we've asked the residents if they need to be rescued and it's not an emergency, or if they think they might need to be rescued, that they call that 311. most of the people -- unless they get hit later -- or are near the river. w we are prioritizing those, the residents that can get out of their homes, like i said, we're prioritizing them. and also we -- they do know that we will wait until daybreak. because of the standing water, so many of the streets and the
typically shelter in beaumont. we have three shelters open, they will not at capacity -- until they started to get at capacity, we'll look at opening another shelter. a shelter, you don't just put up there and ask people to come. you have to have supplies, cots, blankets, and someone that knows how to run it. and the red cross, because of all the devastation in texas is very, very limited resources for them, too. so i think that would be our biggest issue, the resources that we need to put into the new -- the secondary shelter that we're setting up. and then someone to actually run it. we partner with the red cross in helping, but we don't actually run shelters. but we will partner with
resources. that's probably the biggest challenge right now. i've been the mayor for ten years, and i've never seen this many people that needed shelter. >> well, we hope you're able to open up that other shelter. thank you for the time -- >> we have already opened it. i'm sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt you. i'm having a hard time hearing. we have already opened it. we just don't have all the resources we need to complete it. but we will not -- no one has been turned away, no one. >> that is certainly good news. mayor, i hope to speak to you tomorrow night, as well. i wish you and the people there the best. as we mentioned, the military has ramped up rescue operations. two u.s. navy war shiships are g deployed to the area, along with
690 marines. medical, communications, other support teams, are already in place or are on their way. cnn's martin savidge has been out and airborne with the navy rescuers over east texas, capturing remarkable images. so martin, you're still on the chopper, returning to base. tell us what you've been seeing up there. [ indiscernible ]martin, we're
hearing you. we're going to go next to beaumont and cnn's drew griffin, who has been having quite a remarkable day, as well. drew, you've been on the ground all day. talk about what you've been seeing there. >> reporter: it's a violent night, and to add on to what the mayor was speaking out, jefferson county is a series of islands, anderson. so you have these people rescued, they're put on an island. as water continues to rise, that island gets smaller, and those people need to be rescued off of that island to another island, to another island. that's where you have that day after day after day of rescue. and the water is still rising in this county. we just heard about a levy breach that's flooding another subdivision just west of here. it can happen in a split second. that's what we found out this morning. we're setting up for a live shot, when we heard a noise and we found this guy in really dire straits. take a look. look at this. get out, dude!
you've got a power cord? you got a rope? hold on, i'm getting you a rope. don't go backwards. you all right? no, ma'am, we got a car in the ditch. we just pulled somebody out. lord have mercy. are you all right now, buddy? >> yeah. >> take your breath. we're going to get you off of this bank. we're going to get you off of this bank. >> reporter: 66-year-old jerry summ summeral, he was out hooking for food and got in trouble. this intersection was flooded just about an hour ago.
in fact, the police are over there trying to deal with flooded cars that were just left here. but the water continues to move throughout the county. so it drains here, it has to go somewhere else. people are not used to these areas being flooded and they're getting in trouble. right now, this emergency is not only continuing for people who need to be evacuated, but for all the people who have been cooked up for days, find themselves getting in trouble just like that fellow. >> drew, that's one of the deceptive things. you can't tell how deep this water is, unless there's a submerged car that you just see the top of it. even in the areas we're if right now, if we just pan over here, you have no sense of how deep this water is. and it just goes on as far as the eye can see. i'm told, you know, further down there, it gets up to about the waist. here it's pretty shallow. drew, i assume that's what happened to that man who you helped rescue. he had no idea that the water he
was driving into was going to be so deep. >> reporter: he thought he was driving onto a road. he had no idea that was an actual drainage ditch. it was a ditch he was driving into. he thought he was crossing a parking lot, crossing a road covered with water. and he was gone, it's floating. just after we pulled him out, his truck, his four-wheel drive truck, sank. it happens that quick. people do not recognize the difference between standing water that's over a road, standing water that is actually a raging river as a drainage ditch. it's happening across southeast texas right now. >> the images on your screen are from orange, texas, the first images i'm seeing from that area. again, you get a sense of how much water there is on the ground. drew, i appreciate that. that's near the border of texas and louisiana. we should point out. i want to get some perspective
from cnn contributor russel honore, who headed up the hurricane katrina effort. and joining us is john connors, member of team rubrubicon, an organization that brings together volunteers nor moments hike this. general, what's your assessment in terms of rescue operations and the flooding? >> well, the problem has gotten bigger. i mean, we have search and rescue missions ongoing. this is the hard part, after we pick people up with helicopters and using the emergency signals to find people, once this water goes down, anderson, every house has to be checked. and that cannot be done by civilian volunteers. without these volunteers, we would be in a mess, because the military has been slow to scale up. we should have navy ships to follow hurricanes in.
we learned that in katrina and rita. yet, one of the biggest hurricanes predicted as of last thursday didn't have navy ships following it. we have to get this fixed, because we're at the beginning of hurricane season. that being said, the shelters look great. everybody is getting along as far as the government agencies. we don't have the bickering and the fighting. >> and the volunteer efforts are incredible. >> yes. but i was here today with a boat. we came on this very road to go search. nobody to talk to. no communications systems. we need to tie that together with a disruptive technology, and allow the police and fire to talk to civilians that are coming into the region and say go here. we need you over here. this is your mission. when you get here, link up. and then communicate with them. >> john, you guys are veterans. what are you seeing on the ground? >> we're veterans, we pair our
skills with first responders. so we're trained to respond to chaos. we're ready to go. so our folks got on the ground monday. we've been doing boat operations since monday. we'll continue to do those until the community doesn't need it. >> you're focused on long-term. >> we expect we'll be here for a few months. what we generally do is wait for the waters to recede, so it's safe for the volunteers to come in and then start working on long-term operations. >> that's the thing, general. obviously, there's the adrenaline now for folks that are here, that gets you through for a couple of days. but then there's the grim reality of recovery operations and rebuilding. >> and there are things the volunteers can't do. the big mission for volunteers is to go to houses. last year in baton rouge, katri katrina, for years after the hurricane, volunteer groups came from all over the world. you see that over there, anderson in every one of those
catch basins have to be cleaned before the next storm. every drain, every culvert between here and the gulf has to be cleaned. if it took 40 inches this time, what the impact the flood has had on the drains -- >> that's one of the things, there's tension on storms when they happen and the media aftermath. a lot of people, once the water dissipates, they go, it's over. but it's not. >> exactly. and team rubicon is still working on houses in new york and new jersey that were wrecked during sandy. so everyone else forgets about it, but we'll stay there with the community. >> what do you see in terms of organization? >> what our teams have been seeing is the armada of the community that has stepped up to help each other. and to see everyone working side by side with the government agencies is encouraging. >> john, team rubicon exists
without government funding. >> teamrubiconusa.org. take a look at these live pictures again. what area is this now? this is orange, texas. and it just gives you a sense of -- i mean, this is not over. i know a lot of folks saw houston today, they saw the rain stop and they thought, well, the worst is over. and that may be the case for some neighborhoods here in houston. but check out what's happening here in orange, texas. you get a sense of just how deep those waters are. when we come back, what began as a life saving resuscitation has now turned into something of a mystery. no one seems to know where this survivor still is. she apparently still needs medical attention. and we'll hear from some of the survivors still making their way to safety with the help of the army of volunteers. we'll be right back from houston
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someone just came up to them and said their grand mother in a house and needs a rescuing. so they're actually mounting up again. they're going to take some of their boats out. they stopped because it's getting dark and they'll resume tomorrow. but they look like they're going to go out and try to find that person. you can see another boat just coming in, if we pan over here a little bit. i don't know if they're bringing somebody out or just a boat returning after a day of rescues. that looks like a group of volunteers. we've seen so many rescues just from this area today. more than 600 people we were told were brought out over the course of the day. again, some of these folks are just volunteers. they had a boat. they are not even people who necessarily live in this neighborhood. so we'll continue to follow what's going on here. we'll bring you any updates. we'll be seeing scenes like this unfolding around the area, whether by police, troops, or the volunteers around the gulf, as well as across the country. there's a lot to talk about.
i want to go to ryan nobles. we've been seeing some of the images from orange tonight. what is happening there on the ground? >> reporter: orange is just on the louisiana-texas border. this area was hit hard by the second wave of harvey after it went back out to the gulf of mexico and came back inland. so a lot of the flooding here began around 1:00 this morning. you can see this area where we are now. this is a shopping market area. it's become a central locating point. and you can see in the distance there is a supermarket. we understand that supermarket is closed. but from time to time, they're getting if food and water shipments. so there is a line of people out in front of this supermarket, hoping to get stocked up on provisions so they can take care of their families. and the rescue effort has gone on here all day, starting early in the morgning. it is by and large a volunteer force. there are first responders from louisiana and texas helping to guide them. one of the problems they had
earlier today, anderson, even into the night is that there are many boats willing to get people out of their homes and to dry land. but there aren't necessarily buses and cars and trucks able to take them to shelters. so that's one of the holdups in this rescue effort. but it's going to take some time before all these people can be rescued and to be put somewhere safe. and the water at this point has not started to recede. anderson? >> ryan nobles, appreciate it. so many people in houston and east texas are wondering about their loved ones, whether they're okay, whether they're alive. as you see behind me, these are some folks being brought out, thanking the folks who brought them out. you also have now this maritime division, which are going to start out. they've got helmets on. it may not seem like this -- they have to take all the precautions they can, because some of that water is very deep. you get into areas of eddy's.
it can turn quickly. many of the survivors are looking for other ones. many of the survivors are in the george r. brown convention center. the chief of police joins us. what is the latest tonight in terms of rescue operations? do you have a sense how many people were rescued today? how many people do you still believe may be in need of help? >> well,ky tell you that rescue operations have continued in our west area of the city. i don't have a current number. this is really day six for the houston police department. people haven't gone home. this will be the first time tonight that we're going the let some of them go home to get some rest. but every hour it passes,
they're going down. it's certainly with the thousands of people that have been rescued, we're down to a matter of a hundred or so. >> i wonder, to the people who see the waters receding and saying houston is out of the woods, what is your message to those people tonight? >> well, first, the message is that we're not quite out of the woods, because we still have a water event going on, on the west side of the area. and we still haven't gone into the neighborhoods for secondary searches. my heart is still aching. all of us fear that we might find folks in these homes. you look at the destruction here of two-story homes just completely engulfed and covered by water where you can't even see the roof tops. we just fear what we might find. while we're glad we have had
such few deaths, the event of biblical proportions, we're still concerned about what we might find in the days to come. >> and that actual toll you may not know, is my understanding, until the waters recede and until you can do those secondary searches. >> correct. and so that -- and secondary searches, our first responders, it's still very risky to go back into those neighborhoods where power lines are down and gas mains and a lot of debris, a lot of things that they have to deal with. and so we're thankful that there are additional teams heading towards our area of operation here. and those strike teams will help us complete the secondary searches. >> chief, i wish you the best and all of your officers.
i appreciate it. thank you so much for talking with us, chief acevedo, doing incredible work here in houston. so much need, so many people are responding. so many neighborhoods to cover. take a look at this video, this is not a bay, it's the freeway. it looks like the ocean or a bay. we'll talk to the man who took this video when we come back. ucn about my culture. i put the gele on my head and i looked into the mirror and i was trying not to cry. because it's a hat, but it's like the most important hat i've ever owned. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com.
there's water rising on their street. >> and that hadn't happened until this morning? >> until this morning. we said let me come and get you. and she was like, no, we're fine, we're just going to ride it. we don't think it's going to be a big deal. >> how old are they >> my uncle is 90, my aunt is like 83. >> so they saw the water coming but they thought they could ride it out? >> yeah. all of a sudden about half an hour ago, i get a call from my aunt. she said the water is up to the house. we need help. so i took off from the house, came over here. we borrowed one of my friend's higher trucks. >> the water is pretty deep. >> unbelievable.
information, the address and the location and they just took off. >> are you still in communication with your aunt? >> yes. i'm talking to her about a minute ago. >> how are they holding up? >> they're there. they're scared. it's getting to that point where it's coming. it's a matter of life or death for them and they're ready to come out. >> so many people who woke up today, it wasn't raining, the neighborhood hadn't flooded. then certain reservoirs started to flood and overflow. new neighborhoods that started to flood that didn't flood before. >> yeah. it's going like the opposite. they were fine until everything calmed down from the storm and the rain, and now this whole entire -- >> you've been here since the early '90s. everyone seen anything like this? >> no. it's flooded for a day or two in certain areas.
never seen like a river for the whole entire subdivision or the area. it's covered up a large amount of area. >> i appreciate you talking to us. i wish you the best. >> thanks to all the help for the coast guard. they're doing an amazing job. >> cnn's brian todd joins us now. you've been out there, i've been watching you throughout the day in houston. what are residents facing right now? what have you been seeing today? >> reporter: anderson, they're just trying to process this. they were taken by surprise with this wave of flooding that occurred, because it just started in this neighborhood in earnest at about 1:00 a.m. this morning overnight, after the brunt of the storm had passed. these people thought they had ridden it out without too much flooding, but that controlled
release from the addick's reservoir is what brought all of these flood waters on. i'm in a high water vehicle, about eight feet above ground. just huge wheels on this truck we're riding in the pack of. but you can see behind me just how deep the water is. we were on an airboat earlier today with some private rescuers, just going around doing door knocks and watching for people nagging us. but my estimation, we pulled probably 20 people out of these homes. and look at athis, anderson. it's a labyrinth of places. the only way to get out is with a vehicle like this one or an airboat. some of the people now being rescued have thought they dodged a bullet. >> yesterday afternoon, the sun came out. it receded a little bit.
we put everything back that we had put upstairs. and then we had a little hurricane party last night until about midnight. and at 1:00 we had a foot of water. >> reporter: volunteers like mark and his partner joe are out looking for victims to help, especially any place with a towel or other distress signs. repo do you think about the danger out here? >> not really? >> reporter: why not? >> you just come and do it. i am on a boat all the time. i don't think twice. people need help, i come and help them. >> reporter: we talked to a lot of people when they got to safer ground. i asked them do they want to return to their neighborhoods? some of them said they wanted to stay. but others said they had to make a decision whether to return home to all of this. anderson? >> brian, do you have any sense
of how long these rescue teams plan on staying or how they're planning for days ahead? >> reporter: a lot of the time, anderson, they gauge it how exhausted they are at the end of a given day. the rescue teams, all private boat operators, planned on staying. one of the guys who operated a boat said he was just completely fried by the end of the day. so these guys assess it on a day by day basis. but they wake up and they seem to want to go out. i think a lot of them are going to be here until these waters recede. >> there's a lot of people who appreciate what they're doing. thank you very much. when we come back, we'll hear from the man who shot this incredible video on i-10. it looks more like the open ocean. we'll be right back. ♪
welcome back. we're waiting to see what happens, we just talked to a guy, frankie aziz, who is worried about his aunt and uncle. his aunt thought they could ride out the storm in this neighborhood, but the water started to come up just this morning. they're an elderly couple. she just called him and said we need some help. so some boats have been launched by state authorities here in texas to go and get the couple out of their home. so we're waiting for them to come back. with each passing day, we're seeing more and more images that the people have taken on their own. i want to show you this image we've looked at several times tonight. i want you to hear from the person that took this image, video taken on i-10. you would never know this is a highway. i talked to the man who took this a short time ago. listen. i think for some people the
video is kind of hard to wrap your mind around. what we're seeing is the interstate under water, right many >> yes, sir. six, serve foven foot of water. >> how long did that go for, how far was that? >> the stretch that we drove across was about two miles. >> wow, two miles with water that deep on the interstate. >> as you got closer to the interstate, it got shallower and shallower, but where we were out in the pasture and the canals, it was seven foot or more. >> that's just uncredible. i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. be safe. >> yes, sir, no problem. >> that's logan weed. the images are extraordinary. there are 28 people confirmed dead in the aftermath of hurricane harvey. 28 lives ended far too soon. joining me now are two people in
the midst of that grief. they lost their dad, ruben jordan, a beloved high school football and track coach. lindsey, i'm sorry for your loss and i appreciate you spending time with us. can you tell me when is the last time you spoke to your dad? >> i actually spoke to my dad saturday morning. i'm a physician. i had gone into work saturday morning, checked on my patients and got out around noon and spoke to him. you know, he was -- we all kind of thought harvey had come and gone and there wasn't much going on and he was hanging at the house. he told me to be careful getting home and that was the last time i talked to him. >> roger, did you speak to him at all about the storm? >> yes, sir, i spoke to him saturday, saturday night around 8:00, 8:30. we were just conversing about the floyd mayweather and conor
mcgregor fight, just having casual father-son talk, trying to place a personal bet as to who was going to win. he mentioned going out to see it at a local sports bar. that was the last i had spoken to him, as well. >> lindsey, tell me about your dad, what kind of a man was he? >> my dad was an amazing man. he has been a coach in the area for 28 years. he's been a pillar of the community. he is now -- prior to him retiring, he was teaching the kids of the kids that he taught when he first started. >> wow, that's incredible. >> yeah, yeah. >> he's taught the kids of the kids. i understand his grandchildren were the light of his life and he told you that you had done everything in his life that --
that he had done everything in his life that he ever wanted to do after he was able to meet your son. >> yeah. i have an 8-month-old, and my dad, for everyone that knows him, he's a big guy. he's a big guy and he keeps a serious face most of the time. but with my son, he was a teddy bear. i had personally never seen him like that. he has enjoyed this eight months with my son so much. >> roger, i know there's been a huge outpouring of support from your community. what do you want people to know about him? >> he was a very determined, caring, and nurturing soul. he was adamant on encouraging today's youth to be as great as they could. he's a loving individual. he taught us to carry ourselves with class and dignity and
ensure each and every one that they received respect. >> i'm just so sorry for your loss. i know those words sound so hollow, but we're thinking about you. i wish you both the best. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. >> 12 years ago tonight, all eyes were on the city of new orleans. it was the day after hurricane katrina hit. i'll speak with the mayor of new orleans next. for him and simply styled for her! plus hot deals on jeans for kids, starting at 8.99. hurry - sale ends september 4th.
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moments. which makes their effort and that of the volunteers worth taking note of today. randi kaye reports. >> reporter: the air national guard if the midst of a dramatic rescue. on the other end of that rope line is a newborn baby. this other child from the same family was also rescued. it went on and on until the whole family was safely inside the chopper. they were let out on dryer land. strangers came together to rescue an elderly man trapped in his car. he was being swept away by floo quickly formed a human chain, stretching from dry land to the man's car. the car appeared to be sinking fast and rescuers yelled to those closest to the man to bust the window. they finally got the door open and the man out.
he was taken to a local hospital and reunited with his son. a human chain would also help save the life of annie smith and her soon-to-be-born baby. she was 9 months pregnant, going into labor, and trapped in her houston apartment. she and her husband, both doctors, had just moved to houston last month and had never experienced a hurricane. they began to prepare for a home birth, boiling water and sterilizing equipment. then, they sent out an alert in their apartment complex, calling for an ob/gyn. strangers, some with medical backgrounds, came running. one quick-thinking neighbor stopped a dump truck outside. neighbors formed a line, holding hands, so annie could safely walk to the dump truck, which would take her to the hospital. one neighbor posted this video on instagram, writing, my incredible neighbors made a human chain to help the woman and her husband to the truck. moments like these are
incredibly precious and remind me of all the good in the world. the couple's daughter was born hours later, in a real delivery room. there were countless rescues by boat, too. and when a boat wasn't handy, there was a cowboy on horseback. >> this is what we do. we help livestock. this man and his son set out to rescue horses, posting this video on facebook. >> you can come out now, son. go ahead and -- careful with him. >> reporter: he later posted, we were able to swim in and save four of these horses today. one of the greatest feelings in the world is having my best partner by my side. my 17-year-old son. in a storm this bad, every rescue counts. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> incredible images. for some people, right now, it might be hard to have hope here in houston or in beaumont or in
port arthur, tonight, which is seeing a lot, a lot of water on the ground. a lot of that city, port arthur, submerged. 12 years ago yesterday, hurricane katrina made landfall. and i wanted to talk to the mayor of the great city of new orleans, mitch landrieu, who joins me now. mayor landrieu, you've helped bring new orleans back from the brink. you've helped make new orleans the extraordinary city it is now. as you see what's happening here in houston, elsewhere in louisiana, and in beaumont and port arthur, what goes through your mind tonight? >> it's really unbelievable. those images, they're just hard to watch, actually. you interviewed me 12 years ago, and it was just incredible to watch these individuals go through what we went through. for those of us that were in the water, helping people out, you know, you saw the most unbelievable tragedies that you can imagine. yet at the same time, miraculous, you saw people who would just walk across the street from other people
normally, helping each other out. and it just lifted your spirit about our capacity to help each other in the darkest hours. and so even though it's hard to watch, you're witnessing this in realtime, how heuman beings can really rise above all the differences that we have and reach down and lift each other up. and it's just incredible. painful, but incredible. >> and it is, i mean, rebuilding is possible. and for new orleans, it took, i mean, obviously, a lot of help from the federal government. a lot of help from the state. but also, incredible volunteer efforts by churches, by veterans, by school kids, by college students. just people coming for years and years and years. >> well, i would just say a couple of things to the people of houston and port arthur and beaumont and lake charles. i know it's hard and you're frustrated and you feel like you lost everything. but there's going to be light out at the end of the tunnel. you can actually see it happening as you spaeak. the truth of the matter is, new
orleans could have never come back on its own. we relied on the great help of the federal government, but the fate-based group, kids from all over america came and helped lift us back up. and essentially, that's where you get the great hope for our country. you know we're going to survive because of what we're actually seeing on the ground right now, as tragic as it is. and it's going to be okay. and the one lesson that we learned that really transcended everything else is that in our darkest hour, we're all in the same boat. we're all the same, and it's an amazing thing to be a part of. it hurts, but at the end of it, there's a rainbow and it's going to get better. >> what is -- i mean, as you see the rescue efforts that have been underway here, what is the key? what is the next step for houston, for boat arthur, for all communities that are so badly affected? >> there are a couple things going on right now that are unbelievable. 28 usar teams have been dispatched by fema. that's the largest in the history of the country. the governor actually created a
dual commandership, so that north com now, military assets are helping, so there's a rescue effort going on, that you can see. there's also a lot of folks that are in shelters. i think there are 146 shelters that are open, upwards of 22,000 people. the last statistic i heard was that 100,000 homes were hurt. so what's got to happen is people have got the get back to normal as quickly as possible, but they may not be able to go as quickly as they want. so those shelters have to stay in front of the storm. unfortunately, there are a lot of electrical outages. if they can get electricity back, get that water down and start to pick up that debris, everybody will start to lift everybody else up. one of the keys for us was getting the schools back open as quickly as possible and trying to help people clean out their homes. and what happens is, you create a virtuous cycle. but here's the thing, the cameras are going to leave and the hard work is going to just be starting. and you have to remember, put one foot in front of the next, love your neighbor and help each other up. at the end of the day, it's going to get better, but it's is
not going to be easy. everybody knows that. but houston is strong, texas is strong, and the rest of the world will be there like they were for us. no doubt about it. >> that's the thing. houston was a city that opened its arms to a lot of folks from new orleans, who got on buses and ended up here. >> i tell you, anderson, it was unbelievable. i saw a story today about mayor bill white who had to get evacuated. he was the mayor at the time who opened up the entire city for us with the county judges and he had to get rescued this week. it was heartbreaking for me to watch him walking out of that water. he was a giant when the recovery happened. and all of the people of houston, they received the people from new orleans, opened up their schools to us, opened up their homes. we want to do the same thing for houston if the need arises. we're hosting the lsbyu game this weekend and we'll do anything we can to help. right now it's hard. you've got to let the teams do their work. let all the experts and the shelters work with the individuals that are there, help them work through their pain. but you can imagine how scared everybody is who think they lost
everything, and they can't see tomorrow. and but at the end of the day, though, they'll be able to stand back up. and i know the whole world and the country is going to help. >> i know you just marked, obviously, the 12th anniversary, more than 1,800 people lost their lives in katrina. there's a beautiful memorial to them in new orleans. my thoughts were with the great people of new orleans yesterday on that terrible anniversary. i appreciate, mayor, you being with us tonight. >> well, thank you so much, anderson. thank you for all the work y'all are doing. >> take care. we'll see you soon. we're going to take a short break. we'll have more from houston. actually, sorry, we're actually going to go to chris cuomo, who -- oh, sorry, ryan nobles is standing by in orange, texas. let's check with ryan. ryan? >> it's okay, you can call me chris cuomo. that's an honor to be called chris cuomo, anderson. we are here in orange, texas,
right on the texas/louisiana border. and the rescue effort here is ongoing. many of these communities, water is as much as 4 feet up in some of these houses. and they really weren't expecting it. this is not a town that traditionally sees a lot of flooding. so we were in one neighborhood that's about a mile down the road from where we are right now. and i talked to a grandfather who said that the water started seeping in, at around 1:00 this morning, and he just did not expect it. he got his family up, he had several of his grandkids that were staying with him in the house. and they started the process of trying to evacuate. he had a jet ski, but that wasn't enough to get everybody out. but that wasn't much longer into the day that the cajun navy came through and there were boat after boat, going through these neighborhoods and getting people to safe. that continues tonight. there is a shopping center that's here behind me, that the market itself is actually closed right now, but they've been getting in supplies of provisions, water, and food. they've actually been giving it out free to people that can get
here. and there's been a steady stream of trucks, trucks pulling boats. we've seen national guard come through, with the high-water trucks, trying to get people into safe areas. the one concern that we've found is that they can get people out of their homes, they can get them to dry land, but getting them to shelters has been a bit of a problem, because they haven't had enough buses and cars to get these folks to. so this is just the beginning of what is going to be a long recovery for the folks here in orange, texas. anderson, back to you. >> ryan nobles, you stay safe out there. i just want to show you, one boat has come back, but we're still waiting for that boat. a young man, franky aziz came earlier, told some of the rescuers who had stopped for the night that his aunt had just called him, heshe's elderly, wi his uncle in his 90s as well, saying that the water has risen faster and much higher than they anticipated in their home just today and they need help.
firing of a missile over japan, the u.n. now condemning this latest test but isn't taking any action. ♪ good morning, everyone, it's august 29th. i'm ayman mohyeldin along i'd yasmin vossoughian and louis burgdorf. harvey will make landfall once again as some towns on the edge have measured 50 inches of rain. with the president's and first lady's visit yesterday, the situation became more dire for many in the city and across south texas. in all, there have been nearly 19,000 water rescues across south texas as of last night. the death toll has climbed once more, now to nine. but images are circulating across social media. along those killed, houston police officer sergeant steve perez. the chief of police spoke about how he died and how he lived
media asking for help, asking for help in their elderly parents or people who live there. there is one house i was able to find the address for. this is a house in beaumont. a street map before the storm. there are people as of an hour ago on the roof of this house asking for help. asking for a boat to come get them in the beaumont, texas area. just to give you perspective of how high the water is there in some of the locations. i'm going to show you on the radar here. this is the center of the storm. just made landfall. final landfall, heading up to lake charles. on the city of orange, on the border of texas and louisiana. this thunderstorm has sat here. probably about five to eight inches of rainfall in the last two hours recently. here's the beaumont area. i want to show you the rainfall totals, these are stagger. in three hours last night, they picked up six inches. in six hours they picked up 11 inches of rain. this is on top of the rain they already had. 24-hour rainfall total. 26 inches of rain, two feet of
i'm upstream from the addicks reservoir, the addicks and barker are built and designed to keep downtown houston from flooding. this is what it looks like if they're working. you can imagine the reservoirs have been taking in tons of water. they're designed to fill up and be discharged into the buffalo bayou and out to the gulf. but the rate of rain over the last couple of days has just been far more than the reservoirs can handle. they've been overflowing up in the neighborhoods around highway 6 where i'm standing right now. up and through western houston, leaving neighborhoods with water waist deep or higher. we're waiting to get into one of these neighborhoods this morning when it gets lighter and safer. the plan is to discharge water out through the reservoirs out through the dams which are getting spilled over. which they don't want to see suffer any sort of catastrophic failure. they're discharging this water out just as fast as they can.
and you can't really see it here in this light. but you can feel the water flowing past me as it's going down through the reservoirs and hopefully out through the gulf. it's something that the army corps of engineers and others here in houston are going to be watching. >> garrett haake, thank you. let's turn to the center in houston opening as a massive shelter. julia bagg is with us. officials saying the conference center could hold up to 10,000 people. a lot of people now funneling in through there. >> reporter: that's exactly what's happening, yasmin. just in the past few minutes four bus loads of people rolled up, bringing the total to about 900 people here now. to give you an idea how fast they got things up to speed. they started out five hours with 30 volunteers. they're now up to 500 volunteers. people like andrew nichols. thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you.
>> reporter: you've been on the assembly line. tell us what you've been doing in the past eight hours or so? >> the coulds, as you can see, we've been putting cots up all day. since 10:00, last night. until 10:00 in the morning. basically putting up cots putting blankets on them, sheets, this type of stuff getting ready for the folks when they come in. >> reporter: you saw the buses come in the last few minutes. what is it like seeing the folks coming in, how are they? >> it's heartbreaking. it's heartbreaking. they're displaced. i went through that with alison, i've been there. it's tough. we'll be all right. houston is going to take care of it, trust me. >> reporter: andrew nick kolgs, thank you for joining us this morning. sure appreciate your work. 10,000 people can be housed here. this is supposed to brink some relief to the george r. brown convention center which has been holding people far over capacity. so this is a much bigger setup to receive, as you mentioned, up
to 10,000 people. yasmin and ayman. >> good to hear there's more housing for people there in the time of crisis. >> especially thanks to the volunteers as well. julia bagg, thank you so much. and best buy is responding to reports of price gouging just as harvey was about to make landfall in texas. it happened after this photo went viral showing the store showing a 12-pack of smart water for almost 30 bucks. and a 24-pack of da sanni for $43. best buy has since apologized calling it a big mistake on the part of employees at this particular location. they priced the case based on the price of a single bolt. it's focused on helping not hurting those affected by the storm meanwhile, we've seen so many incredible displays of neighbors coming to each other's aid. sheer acts of kindness and charity. a donation center filled with clothing, bedding, toys and
toiletries. despite days of rain, the sun broke, if if forth a brief moment last night in houston. here it is setting over the city, still immersioned deep in floodwater. president trump once again expected to tral to texas this saturday after making two stops in the lone star state yesterday. the president and first lady visited corpus christi for an update on efforts as they arrived in austin. during his stop, president trump thanked officials for his response and promised federal aid. >> we're going to be working with congress in helping out the state of texas. it's going to be a crossing proposition. because, again, probably ted cruz is here. senator -- thank you very much, senator cornyn. and we'll be working with these characters over here. i think we'll come through in really -- you know, with the right solution. but probably there's never been anything so expensive in our country's history. there's never been anything so
historic in terms of damage. >> before that, outside of the firehouse in corpus christi, the president waved a texas flag and addressed a crowd of people who have gathered. >> thank you, everybody. i just want to say we love you. you are special. we're here to take care. it's going well. and i want to thank you for coming out. we're going to get you back and operating immediately. thank you, everybody. what a crowd. what a turnout. . >> after those remarks, morning news read reporters heard no mention of the dead, dying or displaced texans and no expression of sympathy for them. a message that texans will be okay. >> president trump is expected to 1350ek at a springfield manufacturing company that makes ventilation equipment. and the white house says the event will be closed to the general public. course to politico, the speech was written by white house
adviser steven miller. will, quote, try out new phases for selling the policy like jump-start america and win again. gary cohn tells the financial times that key administration republicans have come up with a framework for reform and that details still need to be hammered out. we're told that framework includes raising the standard deduction cap, eliminating the corporate tax rate. and estate tax. and defense secretary jim mattis is once again breaking with president trump after announcing that transgender troops will be allowed to continue serving in the military pending results of the study. secretary mattis issued that order last night saying he's freezing implementation of the president's ban on transgender service members. on friday evening as hurricane harvey headed for texas, the white house announcing that it was moving forward with
president trump's stand. in a statement, he says, quote, our focus must always be on what is best for the military combat effectiveness leading to victory on the battlefields. up next, more including pets displaced by the flooding. and the megachurch joel oste osteen, after reports for shelter. when we come back.
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take a look at this baby deer. you could hear the baby deer crying as a good samaritan carries it safely across water. 100 dogs are now looking for homes. the dogs released just before harvey hit. they arrived at new jersey's morriston yesterday. will soon be transferred to a dozen shelters across the east. a federal judge has thrown out sarah palin's defamation lawsuit. palin sued "the new york times" had in the deadly arizona shooting that left congresswoman gabby give nordz critically injured. the editorial published the same day as a congressional baseball practice suggested the man who carried out the arizona rampage with an ad that placed cross hairs over leaders including
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southern methodist's southern university's football practice and offered words of support for the houston area. >> i know you're going through a really tough time. and just know there are a lot of people that are going to help you. if you're from that area, you'd be amazed at the people that come down there to help. all kinds of people. and so, the days are dark now, but they're going to get better. >> houston texans defensive end j.j. watt's online relief fund for hurricane harvey victims has now eclipsed $5 million. that's right, after quickly surpassing the initial goal of $200,000. the donations continue to grow with the help of some big contributions like the $1 million donated by tennessee titans owner amy adams strunk. really incredible. and houston rockets owner leslie alexander said he will more than
double his $4 million donation for hurricane relief, upping his donation to a whopping $10 million. >> let's go to u.s. open tennis on arthur ashe stadium where defending champ angelique kerber has been ouflted after one loss to japan's naomi osaka. the sixth seeded kerber is just one of the champions in the open era to be eliminated in the first round of the u.s. open. and eye record flight for boston, chris sale, who is now the fastest pitcher in history to reach 1500 strikeouts. it look the left-hander less than 1300 innings to reach that mark. trying 11 batters, and 11 scoreless innings on the red sox 3-0 victory in toronto last night. and in the nation's capital, marlins slugger giancarlo stanton, 51st home run of the season. a shot out to the seats in left field. stanton makes the mark for
homers hit in august with 18. but his heavy bat wasn't enough to pass the nationals who beat the marlins last night 8-3. >> thanks. we want to go back to that story we've been covering throughout the night and that is the national hurricane center has an update on tropical storm harvey which has now made its second landfall west of cameron, louisiana. let's bring in bill karins. what more have we learned about this statement from the national weather service. >> well, the storm made landfall. that, we expected. it's going to move on shore. that's not an issue. i've got to show you these pictures. we just cleared these pictures. it's happening right now in port aurth thur, texas, south of beaumont. this here is the evacuation center. this is one to two feet of water in the sink center. notice where the people are, nobody is on the cots, everybody is up here on the bleachers. all of these people are waiting to be rescued. the water is one to two feet in
the sink center. we've got a couple images here. some of the people decided they didn't care, they're on the cots sleeping in about a foot of water. this is happening now until port arthur because of tremendous amounts of rain. now, we've got video that we want to show you, there's in the sink center. people had to evacuate their homes, maybe under mandatory evacuatio evacuations, maybe they decided to be safe. port arthur civic center. i have reports they're using dump trucks to evacuate those people. it was told that the new shelter doesn't have any resources. they don't have any cots. they don't have any food there. but at least it's dry. and that's the situation they're dealing with in port arthur. if you go on social media, there are many people asking for rescues. there are people on rooftops. elderly people, people waiting two or three hours.
remember we had the pictures your cajun navy, next door neighbors, people with boats going into louisiana to help out. they actually tholsd people don't come in. the water is too swift. they've had a number of bolts within the beaumont/port arthur area that have tipped over. they're actually stopping the cajun navy from going into that region. they're saying just coast guard and what you would call the experts that have done this for a living because they don't want to have to rescue more people. >> and also the lack of electricity. saying don't go in. we love that you want to help, but it's actually causing more harm. imagine getting to a place that you think is dry and safe and having to evacuate. i'm sure people are think doing we keep people in port aurth th-r arthur or bring them out? >> they say they're going to get there. they're waiting for daybreak to
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another day of rain is set for the gulf coast today. harvey has made landfall once more in cameron, louisiana. already yesterday, there was some spot flooding in new orleans, but the mayor and state governor thinks so far within the range of what they've been expecting. it's a far different story, though, in texas, beaumont seeing some of the worst flooding of all. houston has put in place a midnight to 5:00 a.m. curfew joining other nearby counties and towns. the president, of course, visiting yesterday and said this in corpus christi. take a listen. >> thank you, everybody. i just want to say we love you. you are special. we're here to take care. it's going well. and i want to thank you for coming out. we're going to get you back and operating immediately. thank you, everybody. what a crowd. what a turnout. this has been a total cooperative effort, again, we will see you soon. i will tell you, this is
historic. it's epic, what happened. but, you know what, it happened in texas. and texas can handle anything. thank you all, folks. thank you. thank you. >> more shelters are opening, the houston convention center took in 9,000 people when it planned to take in half of that. the nrg center has opened last night. some of the infrastructure is coming back line. the airport expected to reopen today. and bush enter continental opening thursday. joining us from galveston, nbc's sarah dal joseph off is there. you're saying demands for shelters are increasing. >> reporter: that's exactly right. when one goes down another comes up. a light rain falling here in galveston. but it's nothing compared to yesterday where they received more than eight inches, eight inches of rain. now, they're working to get some
of the people who need shelter to dallas right now, where they've opened a mega convention center that can take 5,000 people. working on that right now. and the airports beginning to reopen there certainly help in that. meanwhile, historic galveston remains flooded. remains shut down. public transit down. but sometimes, things are kind of conventional. i hesitate the word back to normal because we're still a long way off from that. city offices in galveston will reopen today and is a baby step here. the port of galveston, remains closed. you'll remember there were some ships, cruise ships out to sea waiting it out. they're still there. they briefly sat in new orleans to give people the chance to get off. they kol fly themselves home. make their own arrangements to do that. some people opted to stay on. still waiting to get home to dry
land. >> in galveston, texas, thank you. let's get back to houston where nbc reporter julia bagg is standing by at the nrg center. julia, you've been with us the past couple days as we've been having special coverage of hurricane harvey. you've been at the shelters as well. hour the evacuees faring at the nrg center considering that it just opened late last night? >> reporter: that's right, things up and running in a hurry here. just in the last 5 1/2 hours or so, they went from zero to 900 evacuees here in the shelter right now. this, a much bigger center than that convention center in downtown houston, able to hold up to 10,000. able to accommodate people much more comfortably now. we can tell you that that they as a resulted off with 30 volunteers 5 1/2 hours ago. they now have more than 700 volunteers, people coming in from all around houston. i just talked to a man who
suffers from copd who had to be rescued with his dog. the good news this is a place that will take you with your pets and that man told us what he went through. >> i sat it out, and i took the trip late. and they came and got me and my dog. we came over here. we saw on the news this was open. because they say george brown, it was full. we came over here. they've been the nicist kind over here. and they take care of my pet. this is my baby boy. they've been very nice. i mean. you can't expect more than anything. hopefully, they're saying it's clearing up now. i'm sure i lost everything, b but -- >> reporter: and volunteers have been assembling beds. they've been handing out meals.
they tell me most people when they get here, they just want to go to sleep. they're expecting many more evacuees to continue arriving here in the next several hours. back to you, ayman. >> i'm glad to see that he was able to bring his pet into the evacuation center. i think that can be sort of a comfort for people when they've lost everything else. >> absolutely. >> julia bagg for us. and the houston megachurch pastor joel osteen said it's officially open for those needing shelter. he tweeted this after 5:00 a.m. yesterday after coming under intense criticism accusing osteen for opening its doors to residents in need. he said the church was never closed. >> we were waiting for the right time. really, lakewood is always open. we didn't necessarily have zaf here. lakewood has been a part of this community for 60 years and any thought that we're going to turn people away is so ironic and so wrong. >> the church is the former home
of the houston rockets and seats almost 17,000 people. he said the plan was to always use the church as a shelter. lakewood is also being used as a distribution center for those wanting to drop off donations. and it has seen a giant influx of donated items. to get a deeper sense of what it's like on the ground. i want to read a little bit from matt pierce, a los angeles times report who wrote his account of driving through texas. he writes it's hard to explain the stupefying effect of harvey. unless you radio try to drive through. the rain falls all kinds of ways. but the one thing it absolutely doesn't ever do is stop. it rains in the morning, it rains in the afternoon, it rains in the evening, it rains at night. the rain is less at atmospheric condition at this point than a kind of state of being, like morning that can't be forgotten
unless you're asleep. it's clear that the water once it hits the ground has only one direction to go. up over the creek beds, up over the levees. up over the roads. up into your shoes. up into your house. up into your life. driving down the road in the dark, it's impossible to tell whether the traffic coming the other way is coming from somewhere else. or, if they, too, have turned back. deep down, you know it, too. water ahead. it looms in the darkness all around. creeping up in the fields and heading your way. again, that's matt pierce, you can read the whole article on the "l.a. times." let's turn to politics where donald trump jr. and the senate judiciary committee have agreed on a date for the president's eldest son to testify privately as they continue to look into russian interference into the election. it will likely take place in the next few weeks. it was initially supposed to
take place in july. instead, negotiated to have it take place behind closed door. he's expected to be questioned intensively about the kremlin meeting meeting during his father's presidential campaign last june. and turning to north korea which is signaling more missile launches may be on the way over japanese airspace. pyongyang said the launch was, quote, the first step of military operations in the pacific. north korean state tv released new images the missile's launch. meanwhile, in an emergency meeting the united nations security council condemned their actions. nikki haley issued a new warning to pyongyang. >> it is time for the north korean regime to recognize the danger they are putting themselves in. the united states will not allow their lawlessness to continue. and the rest of the world is with us. >> joining us now from seoul, south korea, nbc correspondent ron allen.
ron, glad to have you with us. north korea now alluding to more missile launches. what options do you think the u.s. realistic and other world powers have in curbing these actions. we know that the security council a couple weeks ago obviously did not deter them from this launch. >> reporter: right, and president trump has said that all options are on the table, one analyst in the region believe that the options are somewhat limited in scope and should point the negotiations dialogue with the north. the exercise that so angered the north are set to wrap up tomorrow and the u.s. will maintain a huge military presence here in south korea and in japan as a deterrent. you noted that the security council passed another strong statement of condemnation against the north. but the north tends to shrug those off. it's feeling quite bold and obviously has a lot of capability, releasing those pictures you just showed of the missile that was launched that
flew over zwrap pan, that huge projectile. some 50 feet tall and 500 meet in diameter flew 750 feet. and clearly capable of reaching that far. there was no talk of sanctions, but that could come. but, remember, as you pointed out, the last round of sanctions was just passed earlier this month. it's the eighth round of sanctions in the past 11 years and the north is still firing off missiles. looking ahead, the south koreans have warned that the north plans to conduct an underground nuclear test. we may learn very soon what mr. trump means when he says all options are on the table. back to you. >> ron allen, live for us in seoul, south korea. and you may remember president touch said that the u.s. does not have a lot of good options and have lost the struggle with
north korea. officials have been indicted by the american grand jury for their roles in a violent bra at embassy row back in may. 16 defendants were previously charged back in june and the additional three are all turkish officials. the incident occurred when everything dough want met with the president at the white house. this video shows erdogan looking on from his car outside the turkish embassy while calmly walking inside while the fights were still ongoing. the foreign ministry called the fights wrong and baseless. president trump has not yet addressed the incident. still ahead, everybody, we're going to go back to texas for the very latest in the aftermath of harvey as it turns to overturning dams and levees. we're going to get a live report from houston. plus, bill karins is back with us. he's going to have a live report on where the storm may be
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welcome back, everybody. i want to talk about a developing situation in port arthur, texas. incredible images here. people evacuating to this area in texas. but now you can see completely flooded there. maybe one to two feet of water there. people are waiting for rescue from an evacuation center to take them to another evacuation center. she told reporters she's at the shelter with her children. according to, her husband stayed behind at their house when they were rescued thinking that there would be another boat to save them. he is now trapped at their home, but nobody can reach him because the water is just so high. they're certainly thinking, praying for those people. >> that's a difficult situation for everyone involved, yep.
absolutely. we're keeping a close eye on two overflowed reservoirs, still causing problems for houston despite the emergency releases from the army corps of engineers. garrett haake joins us live from the addicks reservoir. garrett, what are officials telling you about the situation there? >> reporter: yeah, ayman, i'm about a mile from the addicks reservoir is post to start, here on highway 6. these reservoirs weren't designed to handle this much rain. the army corps is going to try to do these roled releases all day today. they're going to to try to balance two concerns. first, they don't want to send too much water down the addicks or the barker, if they take the water out,s sshlgly they're sending it down the bayou, they risk flooding other
neighborhoods as the water is on its way out to the gulf coast. but they also have to relief some of the pressure. obviously if either of those two dams were to fail that would make this a huge catastrophe beyond what it's been. that's not an imminent threat at this point so the corps is just trying to manage the drainage out of these neighborhoods that are still flooded up to chest-deep levels. we've had some rescue workers coming by, some volunteers resuming the search this morning to make muir everybody gets out of here today. at least for now, it doesn't look like we're getting anymore more up here today. no rain forecast for this part, ayman. >> garrett haake live in houston. thank you. let's get a check of your weather with nbc meteorologist bill karins. bill, we're talking about a dire situation happening in port arthur, texas, where you have people literally fighting for their lives in a shelter two or three feet under water. >> we're trying to figure out
how widespread this is, is it isolated to port oarthur, but te mayor has come out and saying that the levee has not breached. they have huge sandbags saying that the levee has not breached. we're waiting for daybreak to see how bad it is. here's why we have all of these issues, beaumont, texas, this is at the airport, in between beaumont and port arthur, in six hours they had 11 inches of rain. that's equivalent to what houston had saturday night into sunday, everybody woke up, what happened. that's what happened in the beaumont area. 24-hour unimaginable rainfall total of 26 inches of rain. that's one of the highest we've ever had recorded in our entire country in one calendar day. 24 inches in a day. the rainfall moved northward. here's beaumont, still raining.
port arthur is located here not raining quite as hard there. is this is going to exit and head out during the day. we do have saturated ground. we do have flash floods throughout the region. this is the flash flood emergencies where people are being rescued as we speak. and we could still get additional areas of concern. will it be as bad as beaumont and port arthur, likely not. we still could get five to seven inches today. up in the hill country in western tennessee we're predicting seven inches of rain. western kentucky and western louisiana. when you get elevations like that, the water funnels. we'll have to watch those over the next two days. those pictures we were showing you from inside it's civic center there. that's as bad as it gets. it's hard to imagine, they go to an evacuation shelter and now they have to be evacuated now themselves. you can see the pictures here. >> i think it goes back to the
point that you were talking about how quickly the water was rising that the folks had to take shelt 34. in a matter of 24 hours it went from being a safe place -- >> somebody was asking me how many lives do i think will be lost in this. >> tragic situation. still ahead -- more on harvey and the impact it may have at the gas pump as we head into labor day weekend. plus, president trump taking his push to overhaul the tax code. details he's looking to make. super cool notebooks... done.
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welcome back. let's go to where harvey will affect the fuel distribution and prices at the pump will go up. mandy, how much can consumers expect the prices to go up at the gas pump? >> the largest u.s. refinery is possibly reportedly going to be shutting down. of course it's in port arthur where there's been a lot of flooding. it's been operating only at about 40% capacity. the owner of the refinery said with the shut double play we could see a total of about 20% of refinery capacity being taken offline. that means the prices could rise further after rising about 4 cents a gallon for the average
national price for regular fuel over the past week. crude prices on the other hand have been moving down to a one-month low. if the refines are offline, it's less demand for the raw product. president trump will start laying out his vision for tax reform with a speech in missouri. and congress is going to be returning from the august recess next week and they've got a lot of heavy lifting to do. so reports are suggesting that mr. trump will be elaborating on plans to curb deductions for high-income taxpayers in a move designed to please his populist base. and the last piece of news i want to bring you up to date on is what is happening with uber. it is cooperating with a preliminary investigation into possible bribery law violations. . the company confirmed that the u.s. justice department has started a probe into whether or not its managers broke u.s. laws in bribing foreign officials. it's foreign officials we're
talking about here and we're not sure whether or not the d.o.j. is looking into just one country or several countries but this news did come before the official announcement by the board of uber of the appointment of the former ceo as the new leader of uber. >> the saga continues there. thank you so much. >> coming up next, we continue to monitor developments with harvey as it makes its second landfall. texas congressman joaquin castro will join us. >> and amike mccaul will join u. '. this is a skyscraper whose elevators use iot data
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civic center. we have some awful news. check this out. there's actually water coming in the front of the building right here, flowing in from the parking lot. they are taking on water very quickly. these several inches have come in within the last 90 seconds. they're trying to keep everyone from opening these doors to try to deter as much as possible. definitely a tense situation. officials are trying to come up with a game plan. they are pulling down some bleachers in the area where all the cots are to get people up off the floor as much as possible. but as far as a long-term solution, they have not been able to come up with one just yet. this literally just happening in the last couple of minutes. they're in that assessment mode in making a gam plae plan and they'll execute that as possible. they'll try to get as many people up as they find a solution. >> gosh, you can see a really
good morning, it's wednesday, september 20th. we are following a number of stories. president trump was "america first" se u.n. and steps up his warnings to north korea meanwhile, republican as far as see daylight on health care reform. some gop governors aren't so sure about that. the russian investigation rolls on with new details on who's paying the president's legal bills but first, two natural disasters unfolding in real time. rescue efforts happening right now in mexico after a powerful earthquake ripped through that country yesterday and hurricane maria about to slam directly into puerto rico. we'll go straight to meteorologist bill karins with a check on the storm's latest track. bill. >> power knocked out. roof damage done, structural damages beginning as the strongest weekends are moving on shore in puerto rico. overnight, can you see the storm, 124-mile-per-hour winds in st. croix. now the storm is about to make
landfall. let's get into the zoomed in radar. you see san juan to the north here. then the storm, can you see the center of it. now beginning to come on shore here, it has winds of 150 miles per hour. because of what we call an eyewall siej the center weakened last night. it's a 154 cat 4. this is regarded as the strongest storm to move into puerto rico since 1928. this will leave extreme damage. we are concerned what will happen with the northerly path around san juan in the populated area. tammy. you had a wind gust of 92 miles per hour t. wind center was knocked out at the airport. i imagine you are feeling it? >> reporter: oh, bill, we are feeling it. no doubt about that. we had to move in out of the elements a little bit because trees have been falling, debris has been falling on cars behind
us. pieces of roof has been peeled off and so we had to take sheltary little bit out of the elements, but we're still getting it. i can tell you that there are about 500 shelters set up across the island, 50,000 people have taken refuge in them. some people we spoke to told us they are hunkering down in their homes. they've boarded up. hopefully, they are okay. we know there are tourists out here on the island that are trapped. that were not able to get 0u6789 out, that are at hotels, fema set up a command post. $300 people search and rescue from the occupation, they're here, fema will be passing them. as soon as the eye of the storm passes over, they will be making rescues. undoubtedly, there will be rescues to be made. >> to let you and your crew know, have you four hours until that eyewall is expected with
the worst damage. quickly, we are done with the damage in puerto rico by about 4:00 p.m. this afternoon. off the coast by noon. toward sunset hopefully we will get pictures in to see how bad it is. >> all right, bill karins, thank you. we will be checking in with you all morning as this hurricane hits the other natural disaster is happening in mexico. rescue efforts are under way as people race to save people under collapsed buildings following that massive.1 earthquake. it was centered 80 miles southeast of mexico city. official versus lowered the death toll there to 217 after raising it to nearly 250 overnight. dozens of buildings were reduced to rubble if densely populated parts of mexico city and another nearby states. president nieto says 40% of the
what, 13, 14% for its approval rate something. >> yeah. >> they just never learn. it's really incredible. >> how so. >> i talk about putting your hand on the hot stove. yeah, we have been mocking donald trump for doing what only 33% of the country wants, which by the way bumps his approval ratings gone up three weeks in a row for the first time. i wonder why, he's not trying to constantly agra- 200 million people. it's the republicans, they're not on steve bannon's 33% plan. they're on their own 17% plan. every one of these health care bills are horrible. everyone is worse than the last. they're going to do it again and once again, they're saying we are going to reorder one-sixth of the economy and we're going to rush it before we have the congressional budget office giving us a score and say we don't need a cvo score.
we will get to this. it will be a score. we will talk about it for one second. willie, it's unbelievable the so-called conservatives saying we're going to reorder one of sixth of the economy and have no impact what it will have on all of america, on their health care. it is the most radical thing anybody can do. >> remember, they have a real deadline of september 30th. so that's next saturday i believe, it's about a week and a half where they can use reconciliation and get a simple majority and get 50 votes and have mike pence break that tie. they the ticking clock, they will not look at it appropriately. they won't have the hearings if you reorder the economy. few look at the bill, it's not clear to me what they've changed to give someone like susan collins or lisa murkowski who rejected the last bill reason to vote for this again. >> how do you do something that has all of the worst qualities of the last health care bill.
imagine, we play this game, why had democrats had done what republicans had done, imagine what the press would say. mark, we have been doing thatten the years, imagine -- doing that for ten years, imagine if the democrats reorder one-sixth of the xi and rush through it without a congressional budget office, republicans, right wing radio, everybody on the far right would be going absolutely ballistic right now. >> few ask why would any of the republicans who opposed the previous bill support this one when by all indications it doesn't meet their objection, particularly in covering fewer people. it's bus of the dead lean that willie pointed out, a lot of republican donors, some republican activists say this is the last chance to repeal and replace the affordable act with a bill that has not been through regular order and which has a lot of the same problems as the original legislation and be i the way if the senate does this
it's not entirely clear the house would pass the same bill so they may be going through this political torture. >> how can john mccain suddenly decide, oh, mitch mcconnell and donald trump have a deadline? >> 50i78 worried about that. >> so i'm going to have people remember me for passing a healthcare bill that strips health care coverage from tens of millions of people, it's something we do radically without even looking at a congressional budget office, without doing regular order. john mccain was so right when he talked about regular order. that's what, you want to know one of the tension along with gerrymandering that made washington as sick as it's been over the past several years politically? it's no regular order. they get two or three people in a room. they draft up something. then they shove it do down the rest of the congress' and the american people's throat. i highly doubt john mccain is worried about these false dead
loins and is going to let his legacy be that he reordered one-sixth of the economy. >> without thinking. >> in such a reckless radical irresponsible way and i just don't know why my friends in the republican party come back and do the same stupid thing over around over again this year. it's as if they are just destanee vat to make nancy pelosi speaker of the house. >> well, then that would be helpful. now to president trump's -- >> nancy pelosi. certainly not to the republicans that are tweeting. >> which we could use leadership, real moral leadership in the republican party right now as we turn to president trump's remarks to the united nations general assembly, where he held nothing back regarding the ongoing crisis with north korea. >> now north korea's reckless pursuit of ballistic weapons and
missiles threatens the entire world with unthinkable loss of human life. no nation on earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles. the united states has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself for its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocketman is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. >> the president went on to praise the u.n. security council for the harsh sanctions against pyongyang, specifically thanking germany and russia and also calling on the u.n. as a whole to step up its involvement. >> the scourge of our planet today is a small group of rogue regimes that violate every principle on which the united
feed. >> reaction. >> and it seemed that donald trump doused kerosene all over himself and setting himself on fire. then i started looking at the text of the speech and i saw, yes, very strong language towards north korea. language you and i wouldn't prefer and be used. but he also criticized iran. he also criticized venezuela. he criticized rogue regems. he spoke glowingly of the marshall plan. he talked about dig cheney and richard pearl on steroids talking about the righteous many ago ens the evil few. i would say, okay, so i'm missing something here. then i read you are op-ed later in the afternoon where you said actually you take away the bomb bath, this is actually a fairly conventional speech from a president at the united nations. >> well, joe, i had the same
reaction t. speech had zingers in it guaranteed to kind of send the the news media crazy, we're going to totally destroy north korea. this repetition of the president's new favorite catch phrase rocketman clearly replaced crooked hillary as his go-to phrase, but when you go down the speech, what was fascinating to me the president in his first speech at the u.n. was embracing a legacy of this institution. he mentioned president trueman, really the founding father of that world twice in his speech. he mentioned the marshall plap. >> speed limitary of the marshall plan. >> the building blocks of the world you and i live in. and we've talked together. i would often talk with mika's dad when he was alive about the
danger that this world that was created in 1945 would be taken apart by donald trump and interestingly the speech went in a different direction. it's not to excuse the undiplomatic language. i don't think that that helps. but the substance of the speech tells me that nine months in, he is less determined to overturn the system than we might have thought at the beginning. >> so davgsd i was struck listening to that. yes, it was different than previous president's speeches at the u.n., but it was precisely what donald trump campaigned on, he said,ly defend america first,ly look out first for america's interests, unconventional, yes, but not unexpected i don't think from donald trump. some of the analysis this morning is that the president quote reshaped the u.s. role in the world with that speech. did he really? was it such a big departure from what's happened in this country in the past? >> i didn't think it was, willie. i think what's important is when
a figure who is trying to speak for the masses of americas who think the u.n. is a big waste of time and money says we want to be invested in a united nations that's a community of strong sovereign nations, that's reshaping the balance on which this rest itself, but it's not overturning it. so i read it a little different from some of the other commentators. we'll see. i mean, if president trump is serious bringing the united states back in, for the reform of the u.n., making it more effective. more of a place where problems get solved. >> that will be a significant difference for a conservative and republicans to do that would be a big step. i can't help but think that nikki haley, his fate foreign policy official, ambassador at the u.n. is one of the reasons he's so excited about it, it's his friend nikki's project.
we'll see where this goes. >> mark, i was just going to say, the speech, minus the bomb bast could have been written by secretary mattis, could have been written by general mcmaster, could have been written by ambassador nikki haley. there wasn't the ban none-esque isolation here. there wasn't the tip of the united states, a tip of the hat to the international community and i would just, i don't know, it seems like a lot of headlines at least online were written before they actually heard this speech or digested this speech the way david ignacious did a few hours after the piece. >> both david's piece and the "wall street journal" saw flaws in it but liked a lot of it. it reflected a lot of what the president thinks about these issues and a lot of what the american people would think. american people would like
america to be strong around the world and stand up when american interests are threatened, would like to work with international organizations and doesn't think america should bear all the burden. on forth korea, the long-term goals are to get rid of the weapons, in the short term, there are two other goals, one is to make this not u.s. versus north korea and make it more multilateral. he encouraged the community to join the united states and solve it and deter an initial attack. i think some of this rhetoric david and other have criticize. it's downsized. i think it is meant to deter and attack. i think it may have that effect when the past three presidents have failed in feeling comfort ability about where we stand. this president is shaking it up during a risky way but a different way. >> i will say also one of the headline grabers was he said he can destroy north korea. we can completely obliterate north korea. of course, we were all concerned about that. we should be, he shouldn't have
said that, i think somebody brought up an old barack obama quote, where we talked about we have the weapons to annihilate north korea as well. something you don't want to do. again, it's been done before and politically, again unlike all the other things that steve bannon had him doing where he was just keying into 33% and offending the other 200 million americans out there, this is a speech, whether a lot of people in the media like it or not that most americans would agree with. this is, if not an 80/20 speech, this is at least 60 $40 peach. >> and represents again since i've listened to the president talk about america's role in the world, it represents what he really believes in a way a lot of his speeches don't necessarily do. from the beginning to the end, it's what donald trump's world is, it's a complicated world.
the speech was contradictory, that's a part of the psyche of america's role in the world. >> he definitely made clear he believes kim jong-un will only respond to military force. he gave a nod to north korea, he personally said speaking man-to-man, i will destroy, that's dangerous, it's an escalation and takes it to a place that maybe we don't want to be or haven't been before. i believe he believes the only thing that will respond to north korea. >> i think one of the interesting things in this speech, david alluded to it, here you have a president that sound different nine months in or eight months in than he did during the campaign or his inauguration, suddenly he realizes, oh, wait a second, if i'm going to do anything with north korea, if there is any hopes at all of doing anything with north korea, i better stop insulting the chinese every day, i better stop insulting all of
our allies every day, i better stop insulting everybody every day, diplomacy may be setting in a little bit. again, david said it was a conventional speech, but there was still the trump bomb bast. that said, this was a president eight months in has seen that you have to patch together alliances if you want to get anything done across the globe, even if are you the united states of marc. >> we will talk about this more, still ahead on "morning joe" andrea mitchell joins the table. plus three former cabinet itself on set. former secretary of state john kerry joins us and former secretary madeleine albright and tim ryan and senator bill cassidy the republican breathing new life into their efforts to repeal obamacare and tonight joe's band has a gig at the
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rogue state whose chief exports are vial, blood shed and chaos. it is time for the entire world to join us in demanding that iran's government end etc. pursuit of death and destruction. we cannot let a murderous regime continue these destabilizing activities while building dangerous missiles and we cannot abide by an agreement if it provides cover for the eventual construction of a nuclear program. the iran deal was one of the most and one-sided transactions. the united states has ever entered into. frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the united states and i don't think you've heard the last of it, believe me. >> believe me, of course, lifted
straight from lincoln's second inaugural. >> iran was the other country that president trump took to task in his general assembly speech. joining me now general columnist and contributor mike barnacle. chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of andrea mitchell reports, andrea mitchell. good to have you on board. >> good morning. >> what did you think of the speech overall? a gut reaction? >> a campaign rally, bombbastic overly ret toric am, aggressive and not multilateral. the wrong speech for the -- >> the location the venue, so to spook, i that, i totally agree with you, i think while many americans would agree with a lot of what he was saying, joe this speech i feel was for what our place is on the world stage, i don't think he articulated anything more than we've seen before. he tried to define america fi t
first. i mean this is about working together. >> he used the word sovereignty 21 times never name checked russia for grabbing ukraine. if he's not going to challenge russia, at the same time when the secretary of state is at the very day meeting with the russians on ukraine as a matter of fact, it just -- >> get, he's goeding somebo goa somebody in north korea. the speech makes me very, very nervous. >> the bulk of the speech you spoke to is pretty much boiler plate, what you expect from an american president t. problem with the speech according to many, many people i spoke with yesterday after the speech is that every element he raised that's an issue is a global issue. it's not an american issue.
and we need "america first" is one thing, alone is a dangerous thing. terrorism, climate, cyber attacks, these are global issues. he never addressed them. he stood in front of a fairly useless body. every american knows that, the united nations but didn't try anything collectively to gather that body together to confront these global issues. i'm sure it was enormously popular with donald trump's base, but he's the president -- >> no, i think that speech, mike, was enormously popular or somewhat popular with more than just donald trump's 33% or 35% or whatever it is now, i suspect that speech was popular with the majority of americans. you have the president going after north korea, going after iran, going after venezuela. i mean, there was a moment where a lot of conservatives were cheering yesterday, where he said venezuela is failing not because socialism has been implemented badly, it's because
socialism has been implemented well. nobody clapped in the chamber. he just sat and waited it out. i'm just saying there is donald trump's -- i think it would be a mistake to think this only played 31, 32, 33%. i think a lot of americans probably agreed with that speech yesterday. >> we'll find out. but i don't know, a lot of americans, i don't know whether they're going to agree, we're going to destroy you, then after we destroy you, venezuela, watch out, cube barks i don't like you either. we can only do so much, joe. i think most americans know that. >> do we get the sense he was talking about invading all these countries? >> you get the sense he had warrior language underneath he wasn't afraid to go after any nation. >> david ignacious, i could be wrong. i didn't pick that up. but -- and maybe i'm wrong, too,
i didn't sense the isolationism unilateralism that we saw nine months ago. like you said, i saw a tip of the hat to harry truman several times, which at least for those of us who you know look for such things, that's a tip of the hat to the history of the united nations to 1947 to the marshall plan. again, i'm not saying this was, you know, i'm not saying this was fdr, i'm just saying -- >> i know that. >> this may not be donald trump january 20ing, 2017. >> joe, i thought it was a speech from a president who is enjalgaged in the world sometim too loudly and too inflammatory a way but engaged. i thought there was an interventionist theme, frankly, saying, you know, cuba is an
undemocratic place and we're going to put more pressure on cuba adding venezuela to the list. that was taken very seriously in latin america. i just would note one place where the rubber now meets the road. it's a clip you just played talking about iran, trump said, basically, we need to stop iranian missile testing. we need to stop dangerous activities in the middle east in the region. we need to do something so we're not providing through the iran nuclear agreement a cover for their eventual breakout when the agreement expires. that's a list that should get broad agreement about from europeans, certainly if we had a french diplomat, president macchron sitting with us today. we get an agreement that's the right list. how do you go about making that happen? that's what trump's got to figure out better. how does he organize the coalition that can make progress
on that? how does he engage iran? you can't just threaten and bludgeon them. that's not going to work. >> andrea, perhaps a cold comfort i may be getting from this speech is that we're actually setting up normal lines once again of division, conservatives cheering him on about what he's saying about iran and cuba. >> true. >> internationalists not doing that, instead of him saying i'm wrecking the entire world order. i'm going off obama's iran deal, which i said from the beginning i thought was a horrific deem him going after cuba. again, in two instances at least conservatives a lot of americans thought we gave a lot more than we got from these two regimes and their behavior over the past year suggests -- >> i take your point. there is a meeting tonight. for the first time rex tillerson will sit down at the table with everyone that negotiated the iran deal, including the foreign minister of eastern. >> that will be the fairs face-to-face meet work he said
last night to bret baier on fox he thinks it needs to be renegotiated. we heard yesterday that's not going to happen. so that's where the rubber is going to pleat the road. what is the plan? that's what i want to see on north korea. >> i do think iran is just rhetoric. i don't think we're going to be able to unwind that deal, just like macron said yesterday there will be no renegotiation of paris. >> it's pinnacle of this speech. in his own speech he took several shots at it. macron is one of the closest european allies to president trump. so we need the see some diplomacy here. how do they want to make this work. then we get to the point of who is available beyond, behind rex tillerson to do these negotiations? >> all right. coming up, former campaign chairman paul manafort is hitting back that he was wired by the fbi, now calling on the justice department inspector general to get involved. we'll dig into that when we come
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>> joining us now, national reporter care lee. flood to have you on board, a spokesman for campaign chair paul manafort is call on the justice department to investigate reports that manafort had previously been wiretapped be i the fbi, on monday cnn report thad the fbi has been interested in manafort as far back as 2014. the report, with i is unconfirmed by nbc news claimed manafort had been wiretapped both before and after he ran donald trump's presidential campaign, cnn citing unnamed sources plans the reported eavesdropping has been authorized under the foreign under surveillance intelligencing a. if response to that reporting, jason maloney, manafort spokesperson says if true it is a felony to reveal the existence of a fisa warrant, regardless of the fact that no charges ever emerged.
we have all seen the investigation is heating up, particularly on paul manafort. >> it seems paul manafort, we know public lip there is more reporting from cnn they're back as far as january, 2006, what more than can you tell is they're finding around paul manafort? >> we know they're looking back at his financial dealings, his involvements with foreign governments, you get the sense of that they're trying to squeeze him. and a lot of people believe mueller is trying to flip people like paul manafort to talk about other things they might know about the trump campaign and you really see that kind of it all squeezing in on him. >> if it's a rob with the reporting, though, show me unnamed sources, some of these things, i don't know that they're singly sourced, but you've heard a lot of talk. you've heard it. i certainly hard it even this suggestion that manafort is, has
been warned that he's going to be under indictment. it may be thinly sourced, itself. but it gets thrown out, it's gospel, everybody runs with it. >> we're in an incredible media environment. >> i do wonder, we always talk about all the lies that donald trump tells and all the lies that his administration tells. i'm glad nbc news is slowing down on this one and -- >> waiting. >> and waiting and not confirm it. it seems witness they throw it out, i'm not knocking cnn, but they throw out these stories, it's churned on twitter, on facebook, it becomes the gospel before we really know what the fact is, on something like a fisa warrant which is almost impossible to confirm. >> joe, if you think back to iran contra and watergate which was before my time, this is before social media. so now we are in a very exciting
newspaper war and a lot of stories being broken every night by the "wall street journal" and the "new york times" the washington post, mcclatchey, and everything gets churned through social media and we have to be very careful. i just think slowing down and making sure we double confirm everything ourselves, rather than repeating and picking up every apparent break through from our competitors, just in fairness to everyone. i think mueller now has to worry about being exposed if there are reports that are not properly sourced, this as carol said, too es are the crown jules of a fisa warrant. if this is incorrect or it is a week, it would be the first week we know of directly from mueller, we have other sources, obviously, but if there is at least a leak them damaging, they also have to be worried about their own credible.
>> and carol to that point, there is a huge difference between finding judge x to get a search warrant and the fisa warrant. >> exactly. >> explain the difference, how difficult those steps are. >> you have to prove that beyond what you would formnormally thif whether you would get a search warrant, it's a rigorous process. and the universal people that know about a fisa warrant is typically very small. have you just those focused on this particular investigation and the judge and that's it. and usually somebody who has a fisa on them doesn't know, that's paul manafort's lawyer doesn't know there is a fisa. at some point all of this will come out. we will see what is actually true in the investigation and everybody who covered this is going to have to look at their coverage and see where it matches up. and that's going to be, you know, it seems like sooner rather than later given how fast this is moving. >> again, explain how secretive
this process is, even if you are in a legal community, you don't know the existence of who the fisa judges are for the most part. everything is so secretive about this process that, yeah, i would be really surprised if mueller's team was leaking that there was a fisa warrant against man jarring fomanafort. >> because of a no knock search, they are squeezing manafort. this is not your typical white collar crime investigation. those tactics of illegal break-ins into his apartment and then going up to his bedroom door. that does not happen in any previous investigation of any kind of possible official crime. >> andrea mitchell. thank you very much. >> you bet. >> and still ahead on "morning
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bad deal for our people. >> congressman, what did you think of the president's speech at the general assembly yesterday here in new york city? micked reserves, conservatives, republicans liked it. he talked about america first, not an unfamiliar theme coming from him, all the way back to the campaign, but specifically the rhetoric on north korea, where do you think that put us in our back and forth with that country? >> barnicle actually -- i don't want to agree with barnicle, but he made a good point. these aren't american problems. these are global problems. i don't think he's being the kind of quarterback that the american president needs to be, pulling people together, handling these in a multilateral way. what he said about iran is true. i think we do have to have a firmer position on iran. they are funding terrorism throughout the middle east. i like that aspect of the speech. overall you have to do this together. nothing you'll be able to achieve on your own. >> was the iran deal a bad deal, as he said yesterday? >> i don't think so. it wasn't a great deal but it
was a solid deal, a deal that had to be done. the united states and basically president obama placed a bet. there's a lot of young people in iran, a generation of people that are listening to western music. they have western technology. and we're making a bet that if we can get these younger people to be slightly more understanding, slightly more moderate, and the iranian election proved that, that there are a lot of moderates in iran. we have to try to engage them the best we can, even though the deal's not perfect. >> republicans and tax cuts, they seem to be moving your way in talking about not cutting the estate tax, not lowering the top rate for the wealthiest americans. is that encouraging to you? do you think you see the world where you could work with republicans on tax cuts? >> if they stay away from the traditional supply side of economics i think a lot of democrats will sit down and say hey, is this going to benefit working class people in akron, ohio, youngstown, ohio? i think they'll be willing
partners. but, again, we've got to make sure that some of these things, like any corporate tax reform, for example, that is revenue positive. you have 100 of the top fortune 500 companies not paying any corporate tax at all. so that's not a progressive tax. if you want to lower the rate you have to make sure that you're closing the loopholes and getting some money. and the president is saying we're not going to hurt the middle class on this. so, we'll see. >> carol? >> congressman, you have health care, tax reform, daca. what do you think that you -- that congress can actually get done? and how do you feel about democrats cutting deals with this president? >> we got sent there to get something done. i don't think you need to violate your values in the process. but i think we should try to be willing partners. we have got to get the political process moving forward here and no one is going to get what they want 100% of the time. i think it's encouraging that
people are at least having conversations. the challenges that the country faces are enormal, economic inequality, diabetes. 3 billion more people will move into the middle class in the next couple of decades arnold t -- around the world. we can do it everybody going on their own. same with the speech on the u.n. we can't do this stuff alone. these problems are too big. we have to come together. i'm encouraged by it. >> congressman tim ryan, good to see you. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> appreciate it. new reaction to president trump's address to the u.n. general assembly. we'll speak live with former secretary of state john kerry and madeleine albright and former homeland security secretary michael chertoff. and we continue to follow hurricane maria, making landfall on puerto rico as we speak. >> at winds of 155 miles an hour, that's the strongest hurricane to hit the island since 1932. >> officials there have warned residents to get out or die. we'll get a live report from an
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bill, how is it looking? >> worst of it is over portions of puerto rico. 155-mile-per-hour winds. that makes this the strongest hurricane to make landfall in puerto rico since 1928. so they're in the middle of something right now that no one alive has ever experienced on the island. or they don't remember it if they were a little kid. here is the eye of the storm. i can't show you any more radar imagery. two radars in puerto rico are now down. with the power outages it's to be expected. radar has run right through it. we can't show you the radar, unfortunately, to track the bands and eyes anymore. we have to use satellite imagery to do it. winds are 155. it didn't make landfall as a cat 5. this is the extreme top end of a cat 4 and windfield expanded. instead of one concentrated area of extreme catastrophic damage we'll have widespread destruction over a much larger area.
here is where it's currently located to the south of san juan. the worst and the strongest winds arriving in san juan. we're hoping to show you our reporters in san juan. we can't do that now either because the winds are so strong and so intense it's knocking our single down. it's also not the safest for them either. we're kind of in that blackout period when the center of the storm is doing its worst damage and worst destruction. many people in the building have family and friends. the power was even going out. a lot of them were still able to call and talk to their family and loved ones, saying how horrific it is, houses on the coast blown away. even in san juan, windows are being blown out all over the place. this is exactly what we feared with a cat 4. it's not until about 2:00 p.m. that the center goes off the coast of puerto rico. so, we still have another, let's say five, six, seven hours of destruction to take place across the island. and then as the sun is setting, hopefully we'll begin to see just how bad it was, guys. joe and mika, i mean, you know, we have friends.
your makeup artist has family and friends there. and he's just, you know -- >> we're praying. >> he can't believe how bad it is and, yeah, a lot of praying. >> walt ait and see, and hope a pray. bill karins, thank you. we'll check in with you all morning long as this hurricane passes through. david ignatius and mark halperin are still with us. from the author of the book "world in disarray," and elizabeth joins us. ongoing crisis with north korea, president trump held nothing back. >> now north korea's reckless pursuit of ballistic missiles threatens the entire world with unthinkable loss of human life. no nation on earth has an interest in seeing this band of
criminals arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles. the united states has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on on a suicide mission for himself and his regime. the scourge of our planet today is a handful of small regimes. if the righteous many do not confront the wicked few, then evil will triumph. the united states is ready, willing and able, but hopefully this will not be necessary. that's what the united nations is all about. that's what the united nations
is for. let's see how they do. it is time for all nations to work together, to isolate the kim regime until it ceases its hostile behavior. >> richard haas, a lot of conservatives yesterday like, for instance, rich lowery saying this speech, minus some of the hyperbole that george w. bush could have delivered in 2004, 2005. you listen to him say if the righteous many doesn't confront the wicked few. he calls out north korea, he calls out iran. he calls out venezuela. is this axis of evil part two? >> you had, obviously, iran, north korea, a little bit of venezuela, little bit of terrorists, elements of that. there was an obsession with sovereignty, which wasn't something that george w. bush particularly focused on. i didn't notice that american sovereignty was somehow under dire threat.
we still have our veto at the united nations and can decide what climate ceilings are in the paris agreement. what was missing was any diplomatic position for the rest of the world to rally around. i don't know if that's an echo of george w. bush or not but this was not a speech in any way that was designed to garner international support. >> david ignatius, what was your takeaway from this speech? >> i thought it had bombastic rhetoric, as always with donald trump. he dropped the equivalent of twitter bombs. when i looked at it, as you and i have discussed, i found there was an awful lot of conventional language, especially about the united nations that, to be honest, i found welcomed. i thought that the president was attaching his america first view as a stress on sovereignty to the united nations and its institutions. he has become a champion of u.n. reform. that's good. he actually talked about doing more on human rights issues. that's a rare moment for the trump administration.
i think the issue is how does he now get traction? he set an agenda for iran. as i hear it yet it doesn't talk about tearing up the deal. how is he going to engage iran to get the changes in iranian behavior he's talking about? we didn't hear any of that yesterday. >> elizabeth, you talk to the people out in the street and hear this rhett about north korea, it worries them. the elevated -- talking about destroying north korea, the threat of military action against north korea is something that has people alarmed and on notice in this country. if you're kim jong-un and you're sitting in pyongyang listening to that speech, does that serve as a deterrent if you're that man or is thdoes that stir up - >> i can't put myself in kim jong-un's place but to totally
destroy korea, the threat is not helpful. this will not be a deterrent and there's a real risk of escalating -- of escalation here. it was not seen as helpful. and i would agree with richard that the emphasizing american sovereignty so much, he mentioned the word 21 times, is a first for the united states. it was very much of an america first policy. you could see in the room that there was a lot of silence. it was not a well received speech at the u.n. >> mark halperin, what do you think? >> the president believes in multilateralism when possible and unilateralism when necessary. the problem is the implementation of these things. the speech is just going to be rhetoric. what -- he laid no groundwork to figure out how you actually
build multilateral support for these things. i'm wondering what you think china and russia thought of that speech. would they be threatened by it in any way? >> russia was essentially let off the hook for their interference with american sovereignty during the election. >> exactly. >> ukraine was mentioned once. no indication, for example, to provide lethal defense of the ukraine. from their point of view, the north koreans will double down. they look what happened to ukraine, libya, iraq. when the president used phrases like totally destroy, you can't do total destruction with conventional weapons. that suggested under certain circumstances the united states might actually resort to nuclear weapons. from china's point of view -- i had a long meeting with the foreign minister this week and they hear that. it moves us farther apart from china and north korea. >> obviously, i would have never wanted any president to say that. but 25 years later, what moves us closer to china? what is going to get china to
stop funding north korea? north korea is basically china's 54th state. the chinese are allowing this to happen. so, tell me, what in the world works, richard? we've had this conversation now for some time. what should donald trump have said yesterday that would have moved the ball? >> two things. one is china will never stop funding north korea in part. >> at what point do they realize if they let north korea continue on a pace where they can deliver nuclear weapon to los angeles, san francisco, portland and seattle they're actually acting to destabilize north korea? when does that -- >> not just destabilize north korea, but bring about -- i think the policy is short sighted here. what the president could have
said is what would the united states put forward in order to bring about a freeze? we don't want to put forward a stoppage of all of our military exercises. why didn't he say, joe, we'll agree to a peace treaty to formally end the korean war? i heard nothing diplomatically. for eight months there's been a diplomatic vacuum. i don't know what rex tillerson is doing, other than downsizing the state department. the president had a major opportunity to put something forward that the rest of the world could rally around. he was missing in action diplomatically. >> david ignatius, what is rex tillerson and secretary mattis, obviously get together regularly. they are shoulder to shoulder. obviously secretary mattis is going along with general mcmaster at the forefront of figuring out what to do with north korea. what have you heard? what is their plan? >> joe, i'm told that secretary
tillerson has two channels to pyongyang that he has been using to good effect, to try to convey the following message. the u.s. is prepared to begin negotiations with kim, basically without conditions. they fought a fthought a few we they may have gotten the response they wanted. they praised the north koreainform s. but there's no question that the u.s. hopes to be in that negotiation. trump didn't say it publicly yesterday but the u.s. position is well known, especially to china. there's been an extensive behind the scenes discussion with the chinese about what to do. in many ways, kim's actions need
to be seen as an attack on china as much as on the u.s. kim is driving the chinese crazy. he is creating instability on their border. he rebuffs their approaches. they ask him to stop testing, he goes ahead. richard knows well that back in 2003, i think was the date, the chinese very quietly, without ever taking -- did stop oil deliveries to kim as a way of pressuring him into the negotiations that became the six-party talks. guess what, it worked. it didn't take very long. i think that's the kind of thing the u.s. is thinking about here. >> why wouldn't they be doing it now? richard, elizabeth, david? why didn't china do this two, three months ago? >> north korea now has taken steps to reduce their ability to china, halted oil. it's recently doubled in north korea. why? they took some off the mark. plus north korea has the ability to make oil out of coal. they've reduced their
vulnerability. they know it's coming. there's no love lost between them. they fully expect sanctions from china. they'll never be total. china is actually worried that sangs get too great, north korea might actually start a war out of desperation. but north koreans know that sanctions will be ratcheted up. >> are we at a place where the united states and the world is -- are we at a stage where we're accepting a nuclear north korea? is that a feta com plea and we have to deal with it? >> there is a nuclear north korea. yes, we've within there some time. >> that is moving toward projecting that nuclear power toward the west coast of the united states. >> we're moving towards that. i think that, yes, they don't want to talk about that. they're talking about some limited military action in naval blockade, a talk of cyber actions.
intercepting a missile. that is what mattis is talking about quietly. we've been moving toward that for a decade now. >> but, elizabeth, the acceptance of that, is the united states -- >> not the -- there will never be an official acceptance of it. i don't see where it goes -- the aye would be interested to know what richard thinks, if that is the ultimate end game here. >> if not an official acceptance a de facto acceptance of north korea able to strike cities on west coast and sell this nuclear technology to our enemies like isis. >> only five countries are formally allowed to be nuclearized weapon states. north korea has taken notes and said we're going to become a de facto nuclear weapons state and have talked about that.
and this is regime and country survival. we'll never formally accept it. the question is whether we're prepared to attack it or manage it through some combination of deterrence, defense and economic pressure. >> elizabeth, it feels like we're painted into a corner at this point. they've ratcheted up sanctions at the u.n. what's left on the table is military action. is there another option we should be looking at besides sanctions or the military? >> besides intercepting a missile, no. i think it is managing a problem and i think ultimately there will be -- this is what we will live with. trump has a lot of rhetoric. i think it's counterproductive at this point. >> is it just rhetoric, mark
halperin? do you think that donald trump will leave the white house, whenever he leaves the white house with the legacy of being the man that allowed north korea to strike the west coast with nuclear weapons? >> some of the responsibility is the last three administrations that weren't able to stop their march to developing nuclear technology. most of the problems we face in the world now because we don't have any leverage or enough leverage over china and russia. in this case russia continues to say we don't want refugees. we don't want an american military presence in a unified korea. he is doing it differently than the previous three presidents who failed. >> i think he will be. elizabeth, thank you so much. we continue to follow hurricane maria, by the way, battering puerto rico right now as a category 4 storm. we'll go live to san juan as soon as our reporters are safe enough to do so. also ahead, we'll talk to republican congressman bill cassidy about the heat he's catching for his obamacare repeal plan.
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joining us now from san juan, puerto rico, gadi schwartz, following hurricane maria, which has made landfall there now. what's it look like? >> reporter: i want to show you what it looks like right now. take a look over here. this is how hard the wind is blowing. over there on the far side of the parking lot, it's impossible to make out right now, but the water levels are starting to come up. right now, we are at one of the shelters, one of the main shelters here in san juan. this whole structure is concrete. so it's basically bomb proof, but you've got these openings right here. that was the protected side. this is another corner here that you can see out. and we've seen debris flying all over the place. in fact, right over here, you've got some -- you've got some downed trees. i'm going to take you in over here real fast. i want to show you what the shelter looks like. watch these swinging doors. those doors blew open a little while ago this is what was the shelter earlier. this whole coliseum was filled with people.
they've now taken those people and have them in the wings on their cots because the roof started leaking. there are now concerns about things that might fall down. they are saying that this structure is still sound. guys, back to you. >> yikes. >> incredible picture. stay safe. check back in with you in a few minutes. joining us now on set, former secretary of state madeleine albright. so great to have you on set with us. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> your take on president trump's address before the u.n. general assembly? what's your gut? >> well, my gut is, i'm glad he went. >> okay. >> and that he actually spoke some positive things about the united nations. i think it was actually two speeches. one in which it was written in a way to be much more nationalistic. going up and talking about america first in that location and then having listened to many
speeches there. the tone of it was really bad, i think. and in so many ways, we all want to make sure that america is strong. but i think his speech weakened america. and i think it's something that will make us very hard to carry on a lot of diplomatic work that we have to. but i'm going to try to be positive. >> right. and see that he recognizes multilateral action and the history of the u.n. it's important. part of it now will be as to whether they fund the u.n. we, by not paying or funding, is very hard to get reform if, in fact, you don't support the funding of it. so those are the aspects of it. >> we talk around the table often about how maybe a slight move to the middle by donald trump is always met with a harsh tweet, where he throws red meat to his base. did you get a sense yesterday
that the two speeches he gave -- one may have been sort of a tip of the hat to the united nations and an understanding of the realities that have sat in on him over the past eight months, but another part of the speech might have been for domestic consumption, for his base, saying, yes, yes, i'm at the united nations but, my friends, don't worry. i'm going to say national sovereignty a thousand times so you can take that back to your republican club meetings and let them know donald's still with you. >> i think you're absolutely right. mostly you don't go to the u.n. to give a domestic speech. i think that he was doing that. in so many ways. but it will hurt, ultimately. i know people don't like the world multilateralism. it has too many syllables and ends in ism. but ultimately it's about partnerships and he has to do
that kind of work. i do think the language generally that he used was so harsh that i think, in some ways, it strengthened kim jong-un, made him the center of attention. >> yep. >> richard, you're laughing -- >> i totally agree with that. >> sort of laughing when i was talking about domestic consumption. i take it you agree? because people need to understand for donald trump's hard base, him stepping in to the united nations is a statement, is a betrayal. >> the u.n. is the great symbolism in that world. a lot of literature about ultimately they'll take away american sovereignty, the second amendment rights. so for him to go to the u.n. is totally inconsistent with his base. it wasn't a coincidence that he used the word sovereignty 21 times. that was his way of reassuring people that he's not going to be taken in by the fact that he's showing up in new york at this party. >> secretary albright, the north
korean problem is one you confronted as ambassador of the u.n. and then secretary of state. the president said if that nation continued its pursuit of nuclear weapon he would, quote, totally destroy north korea. at least that the u.s. had the capability to do that. that's a pretty specific threat. where are we? where are we left 25 years or so after you all first confronted the problem of north korea? what hasn't worked for a generation and what's left? >> let's say it is a difficult -- there's no question it's a difficult issue. during the clinton administration, there were no addition of material, no nuclear weapons and no icbms. we were in the middle of negotiations when i left there in october, presented it when the bush administration had won the election and secretary powell was willing to continue the negotiations, and they didn't. so, there are any number -- it's the most complicated history i've ever seen. but what is left are all the tools in the tool box and there has to be a better whole of
government approach to it and working within is the six-party talks. we just can't decide that diplomacy does not work because i do think that some of the -- they need to do more with the sanctions and they need to do more with diplomacy. and we have to have deterrence. i fully agree. to put it in kind of def-con highest now is something that's troubling. it makes it difficult for anybody to talk to them. talking to somebody you don't like is actually more important. >> critics would say we've ratcheted up sanctions over and over and over again for 20, 25 years now and there's no response from north korea, except to continue its pursuit. i'm not calling for a military strike. i'm just asking if you believe that sanctions will actually solve this problem? >> i don't think they'll solve the problem. but i do think looking at what is available, i think what ultimately -- the six-party talks, obviously, talk about what the chinese need to do. and then i find interesting the
fact that if he did, in fact, explode a thermal nuclear weapon, that there were news about the fact that some radioactive material had gone into the airspace of china and the russians, and i think that is something that they are afraid of. and, richard, you had talked about the fact of five nuclear powers. but i think the nonproliferation treaty works to the extent it does because people understand they don't want radioactive over their territory. >> david ignatius will jump in from washington. david? >> secretary albright, you and i have talked often over the last month about whether the liberal international order, as we often call it, can survive the trump presidency. and i'm curious. after this major speech by donald trump at the united nations, do you think that's more or less likely? >> you do need to work with the
other countries and he had not made clear enough -- sovereignty is one word. but i think in terms of what governments are like, how you, in fact, talk to your own people without riling them all up and then looking at the institutions that you can work with. the press, the judiciary and we have spent a lot of time thinking about this, you and i, and others. and i think i am worried. sovereignty is a very important part. but the question -- and richard is the expert on a lot of sovereignty. what are the obligations of sovereignty? how do you work with others? and what is our responsibility towards other countries? >> secretary albright, let me ask you briefly about the united nations generally, 25 years later. 25 years after you said the u.n. must reform or die, you saw it up close. 25 years later, we've seen syria unravel. and the united nations and the international order couldn't bring that chaos to an end.
we've seen north korea continue its march over the past 25 years. now, again, nothing meaningful can be put together by an international community. what do you say to americans? what do you say to members of the united nations about its ineffectiveness over, let's just say, the past year? and how does it become more effective in international affairs again? >> one thing we do have to keep in mind, it is a combination, a collection of nation states. sovereignty is the important part. and we can blame the secretariat and international bureaucrats but ultimately it is a decision by the nation states. and the united states -- and this was my problem when i was there. we were behind in paying our peacekeeping bills. and then congress unilaterally decided to lower the amount we were going to pay. and it's very hard to call for reform if you're not paying, leading the british, our best
friends, actually, to deliver a message they had waited over 200 years to say, representation without taxation. and we do, in fact, have to make it work. the new secretary gutierrez is bound and determined to move on reform. then the cliche, if it didn't exist we would invent it. it is a necessary way to have countries operate together and find common goods. i do think also -- one thing i've been pushing for a lot, the private sector has to be at the table early. public/private partnership in working on some of these problems is important. you can't bring them in at the last minute. and there needs to be a way to reform the u.n. there's no question. but in order for us to push that agenda, we have to believe that it can be done. >> secretary madeleine albright, it is great to have you on this show. she has tried to be positive, joe. >> she is trying to be positive. >> trying. >> and, of course, we need the seat afar right there.
just critical, richard. >> always good to see you. >> thank you so much. from one former secretary of state to another, john kerry joins the table. and we continue to keep an eye on puerto rico as hurricane maria is battering the island right now with 155-mile-per-hour winds. we'll be right back. (vo) dogs have evolved,
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former secretary of state john kerry. so great to have you here. >> happy to be here. >> of course, we want to talk about what everyone is talking about. that is the boston red sox winning in extra innings last night. >> i know, extra innings. at least three people here who can't wait for the playoffs. >> that's right. that's right. >> yankee fans, richard and i. >> i said at least three people. >> exactly. so, you just got back from ukraine. we're going to get to the u.n. speech in a second. you just got back from ukraine. what can you tell us about the state of affairs there? >> they're in a critical place. they've got to make fundamental decisions about corruption, getting rid of it. they need to attract private investment. the government has to show that it's serious. >> how much of a shadow does
russia still cast over -- >> enormous, obviously. it's the ball game. but they really have their destiny in their own hands. it's up to them to decide that they are going to be a model nation for transformation. and they're still stuck -- they're trying to have it both ways. i think we made it very clear, richard, myself, others who were there, that this say critical moment for them. >> richard, any fear of -- any realistic fear in ukraine of the russians moving westward? >> no. i think people understand that crimea is not coming back any time soon. the most interesting, positive thing is the russians put out an offer about, what, two weeks ago now talking about peacekeeping forces in the eastern part of the ukraine. and the question is, does that mean that maybe putin understands some of the costs of what they're doing? are they beginning to look for something of an exit? i don't know. the recommendation everybody made to the ukrainian government, we all saw the president, was why don't you at
least explore that, see if the russians are up to something, if it's a ploy, expose it. if it's not a ploy, work with it. >> the president's speech at the united nations didn't dig into it much further. what did you think of the speech overall? >> joe, i think you all have talked about it a fair amount already. but, look, what is the purpose of the speech by the president of the yunited states to the united nations? it is to sell america's policy, to bring countries to the table in order to achieve your goals. and the president gave a speech about america first, which winds up, in effect, i think, making america last and diplomacy last. or making america alone fundamentally. it pushes people away. i mean, this childish kind of -- the rhetoric. if name calling was going to solve this problem, donald trump would have already solved the problem. so, that's not going to move
anybody to do what you have to do. you have to ask yourself, is america safer because of rocket man? did we bring anybody to the table as a consequence of that language? you don't give a speech at the united nations to talk to your base. you have plenty of opportunities to do that. you give a speech at the united nations to bring people to the table. what do you need more than anything? you need china to do things. china provides 100% of the fuel to north korea. every plane, every truck, every car that moves in north korea, china's doing that. every bit of north korea's financing goes through chinese banks. china would shut north korea down in one week, two days. >> why don't they? >> because they keep saying we're afraid of the stability issue. we're afraid there's going to be a massive -- implosion of the regime. in reality, joe, i think the reason is that they're fearful that -- you know they don't know what comes afterwards, for sure. but that could, in fact, be
guaranteed. there are ways -- i talked to a number of people. there are absolutely ways in which to guarantee a transition here, guarantee that something happens. so, look, i think that -- also, he invokes the marshall plan. i love the marshall plan. i've recommended that we have a modern day martial plan that uses the private sector to combat terrorism, grow countries and deal with young people who have no jobs. did he mention -- no. he has a 37% cut in the budget. that's his recommendation. >> willie? >> so it's -- i really think the speech lost an opportunity to be able to do what presidents should do there, not isolate america in the minds of lots of leaders, but bring people together. he really should have made it a case for china. that would have been a legitimate diplomatic gambit, why chien wra and how china could do more. that would have been valuable. >> when you were secretary of state, dealing with the north korean problem, what were the
most hopeful avenues for you? maybe we can get a deal done to stop the nuclear program this way. why didn't it happen if it was -- >> i keep hearing people say, hey, we tried this for 25 years. we've had diplomacy and it didn't work. no, that's not true. we have less sanctions against north korea today, which has a nuclear weapon, than we had against iran, which did not have a nuclear weapon. now how do you figure that out? we brought more pressure to bear on iran to come to the table and negotiate. when people say we've tried -- no, we haven't tried everything. we need to put greater pressure on sanctions because that's the way you exhaust diplomacy. and if donald trump is ever going to get to the point where he has to, quote, destroy north korea, which we all understand, this could come to blows. but you don't have to brandish that every moment so that it's always the big stick and no
talk, literally, softly or otherwise. you have got to have both. and there's no sense here of diplomatic initiative or effort by them to bring russia or china to the table to do this. now you look at what we did over a period of time with iran. it took us 35 years to actually get iran right. and we finally got iran right, as george mitchell once said. you have 1,000 bad days in negotiations and one good day. it takes patience. and what we need to do with north korea is actually work with china, russia, others, to ratchet those sanctions up to a point where they have an impact and exhaust the possibilities of diplomacy so that if it came to blows, everybody in the world would understand why. it's a last resort, not a first resort. >> didn't you just say china was not a willing partner right now in doing that? >> china has ratcheted up four times. we went to china.
we ratcheted up sanctions. then we ratcheted them up a second time. i've supported the trump administration in their diplomacy to try to ratchet it up. we had oil embargo sanctions in the last round. the chinese walked that back. but we did ratchet it up. with the last firing we have the reason to put even more pressure on and go back to china. look, you've got to go through that process. by the way -- and this is really important -- talking about getting rid of the iran deal and going after iran, we all have -- we're all aware that iran is doing things we don't like and there's things we want iran to stop doing. if you go after the iran deal and iran the way he did yesterday, and talk about throwing it out you make your diplomatic efforts of solving north korea far more complicated whachlt does north korea think, looking at the way he's talking about shredding a deal that was made? if that's the way america
behaves in the world, throwing out something that works because you don't like it, but it works, you're actually inviting a much more active path. >> mike barnicle? >> another deal on the verge of being shredded, the paris accord. hasn't been spoken about much. the trump administration is on the path of destroying the paris accord. >> we had a two-day conference at yale that ended yesterday. secretary jim backer, former republican treasury and secretary of state came. he spoke about the need to price carbon. hank paulson, former republican secretary of treasury, jeff immelt, general electric. we had a group of former secretaries of energy and -- all of whom talked about how what we're seeing today should convince people that they need to move on climate change. irma, first hurricane to ever
have sustained winds over 185 miles an hour for 25 hours. harvey, largest record rainfall in the history of hurricanes. wildfires burning out of control in the western part of our country. the evidence is building all around the world. every leader in africa, every leader in europe, most leaders in asia all believe that climate change is happening and mankind is pushing it into faster acceleration. paris, almost 200 nations came together. and all of them agreed simultaneously not to accept the burden imposed by any other country. donald trump has not told the truth to the american people about this. the burden that we've accepted is one we defined. he doesn't have to pull out of paris. he just has to change the targets. >> when he's talking about terms that are more acceptable to the american people, they're terms we set ourselves. >> terms that america set
ourselves. he could change. they're voluntary. here is the good news, though, joe, 29 states in america have already passed renewable portfolio laws. eight states have voluntary laws. you have 38 states in america, the governors of which will convene today at 12:30 here in new york. many of those governors will announce they're going to continue to meet paris. so while the president may say i'm pulling out of paris, 80% of the american people, in these 38 states, they're going to continue on, mayors, governors and we're going to meet paris standards and i think we can exceed them if we do what technology allows us to do. >> david ignatius in washington and then richard haas. david ignatius? >> i want to go back to iran. do you think there's any way to make progress on the things president trump talked about yesterday, dealing with iranian
missile testing, with iranian regional behavior, in some way, trying to figure out a way to extend the duration of this agreement, without blowing that agreement up? >> absolutely. and i have reason to believe that because i met with foreign ministers in oslo some months ago and we raised every one of those issues. he has stated that with european community in the region they are prepared to deal with those countries directly involved. and they are prepared to discuss regional security issues that would have a profound impact. you don't push the possibilities of conversation. if all you do is rattle the sabre, you are shutting off the opportunity to do these things.
yesterday it was made more difficult because of the level of insult. you can raise the issues. there are ways to do it. but the way it was done yesterday will make it harder for them to engage with us. but they are, i know, absolutely prepared to engage with europe and regional countries and that should be put to the test. >> secretary, your successor has made focus to downsize the amount of resources available to diplomacy, to shrink the department. he hasn't filled a lot of positions. do you think you can succeed at secretary of state with the kind of trajectory secretary tillerson is taking? >> i think it's extremely difficult to do diplomacy without diplomats. the world needs more of the leadership that the united states has calculated to reach out and build alliances and do the things that we -- 2 billion people, 2 billion young people in the world under the age of 15.
1.8 billion between the ages of 15 and 24. many of them are in places where extremists are recruiting them, bringing them over because they don't have opportunity. they don't have a say in their country. they don't have the possibility of a future. we need to be deeply engaged in possibilities of legitimate opportunity and work and taking our values and marketing them. that's the best of american diplomacy. when you cut off the ability of your ambassadors -- we don't have ambassadors in many of the critical countries in the world. we don't have assistant secretaries of state to meet. countries have told me we don't know who to talk to so how does the world get safer if you're not doing the hard work of diplomacy. >> thank you so much. your tan, your rested and ready, you're younger than everybody else talking about running for president of the united states. is it kerry 2020. >> i don't have any plans right now honestly.
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meteorologist bill karins with the check on the storm's latest track, bill? >> just got the new 8:00 advisory in from the hurricane center. down to 150-miles-per-hour winds. now the center's only 15 miles from san juan, puerto rico. that's the population center of puerto rico. 2.5 million people just to the north and that northern eye wall is now over-the-top of them. we don't have radar to show you because the radar went down in san juan. we do have super-san juan, puerto rico, gabe gutierrez. >> the situation here in san juan is dire. the winds here have been intensifying and the worst is yet to come. we have taken shelter in a concrete structure. there's a wall blocking me, blocking the wind to our right. as you can see behind me, there's a scene of utter chaos. authorities here have been warning people for days that if they live in wooden structures or flood prone areas that they needed to evacuate or die. well the time for that has
passed. there's nowhere to turn at this point. we have seen parts of buildings being blown off, debris strewn throughout the streets, trees being toppled and communications are starting to go down. the power is out too. a large chunk of san juan already. this in a region that was raised by hurricane irma but it knocked out power to 75% of the island. maria could knock out power to some parts of this region for four to six months. authorities are warning that this is -- will be catastrophic. we expect to get hit by these howling winds and torrential rain for the next several hours. there's no telling how much damage this could cause but a big concern as well is the storm surge. back to you. >> wow, incredible pictures and his hotel room is to the back of the strongest winds purposely to show you the winds. they're not into his rooms. here's the update from the
hurricane center. we're still category 4, 150-miles-per-hour winds, moving to the northwest at 10-miles-per-hour. here's imagery. there's the eye. this the worst case scenario, cat 4, northern eye wall right over the most populated areas of puerto rico by about 2:00 p.m. today we take it off the northern coast of puerto rico so by late this afternoon, the winds will relax. we'll have a couple hours during the late afternoon to -- for the officials to assess just how bad it is out there and the concerns are with the winds and we already had the storm surge on the southeast coastline and we still have to deal with the flooding rains. there are mountains on puerto rico. we have flash flood emergencies for rivers that have risen 20 feet. the water kills more people than the wind. so there's the surge as far as the rainfall flooding goes, even though you're not getting the worst of the winds, western
portions are doing the worst of that. i want to finally finish up, so you the long range track here, turks and caicos and we watch is t going in between the southeastern united states and bermuda. it's going to parallel the u.s. coastline as we go into next week. some computers have it getting very close to the outer banks, others close to new england but it'll be a much weaker storm and that's seven days away. back to you. >> thank you. a very dangerous situation rapidly developing. we have "the washington post"'s david ignatius. so should we get to president trump's remarks. >> sure. we have health care. >> yeah. >> which the republicans are once again trying to pass an absolutely terrible bill -- this one i'm curious. the over/under maybe 13, 14% for its approval rating.
>> yeah. >> they just never learn. it's really incredible. >> it's the hot stove. >> putting their hand on the hot stove. we've been mocking donald trump for doing what only 33% of the country wants and which, by the way, phillip he's gone up three weeks in a row. i wonder why. he's not trying to aggravate 200 million people. >> what's wrong with them? >> they're not even on steve bannon's 33% plan, they're on their own 17% plan. every one of these health care bills are horrible. everyone is worst than the last and they're going to do it again and once again, we're going to reorder 1/6th of the economy and we're going to rush it before we have the congressional budget office actually giving us a score and we don't really need the cbo score. we'll get to this, it's going to
be the -- we just got to talk about this for one second. it's unbelievable the so-called conservatives saying we're going to reorder one sixth of the economy and have absolutely no idea what impacts it's going to have on all of america on their health care. it is the most radical thing anybody could do. >> and they have a real deadline of september 30th, so that's next saturday i believe. it's about a week and a half when they can get reconciliation and get 50 votes and have mike pence break that tie. they'll have a ticking clock. and if you look at the pill it's not clear to me what they've changed to give someone like susan collins or lisa murkowski who objected to the last bill reason to vote for this bill. >> it has all the worst qualities of the last health care bills and again, we always play this game. what if democrats had done what
republicans had done, imagine what the press would say? imagine if democrats tried to pass a bill in seven or eight days, reorder one sixth of the economy and rushed through it without a congressional budget office? republicans, right wing radio, everybody on the far right would be going absolutely ballistic right now. >> if you ask why would any of the republicans oppose the previous bill support this one by when it doesn't meet what they want, it's because of the deadline. >> with a 13% plan. >> with a bill that has not gone through regular order and has a lot of the same problems as the original legislation and, by the way, even if the senate does this it's not entirely clear that the house would pass the same bill so they may be going
through all this political torture for something that would never get to the president's desk. >> john mccain showed the courage he showed before, why would he say, oh, mitch mcconnell and donald trump have a deadline so i'm going to have people remember me for passing a health care bill that strips health care coverage from tens of millions of people and something we do radekly without even looking at a congressional budget office, without doing regular order. john mccain was so right when he talked about regular order. >> yeah. >> that's -- you want to know one of the things along with gerrymandering that has made washington as sick as it's been over the past several years politically, it's no regular order. they get two or three people in a room, they draft up something and then they shove down the rest of congress's and the american peoples' throat. i highly doubt that john mccain is worried about these false deadlines and is going to let his legacy be that he reordered
one sixth of the economy without -- in such a reckless, radical, irresponsible way and i just don't know why my friends in the republican party keep going back and doing the same stupid thing over and over again this year. it's as if they're desperate to make nancy pelosi speaker of the house. >> then that would be helpful. now to president trump's first -- >> to nancy pelosi. >> which we could use leadership, real moral leadership in the republican party right now as we turn to president trump's first remarks yesterday to the united nations general assembly where he held nothing back regarding the ongoing crisis with north korea. >> now, north korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles threatens the entire world with unthinkable loss of human life.
no nation on earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles. the united states has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on a suicide mission from himself and for his regime. >> the president went on to praise the u.n. security council for the harsh sanctions against pyongyang specifically thanking china and russia for joining the unanimous vote while also calling on the u.n. as a whole to step up its involvement. >> the scourge of our planet today is a small group of rogue regimes that violate every principal in which the u.n. is
based. if the righteous many do not confront the wicked few then evil will triumph. the united states is ready, willing and able but hopefully this will not be necessary. that's what the wrunited nation is all about. that's what the united nations is for, let's see how they do. it is time for all nations to work together to isolate the kim regime until it ceases its hostile behavior. >> north korea's prime minister walked out in protest before president trump began his speech. >> i thought it was just me yesterday, i was -- we were traveling and doing a lot of different things so i didn't get to see the speech when it was going down but i was reading my twitter feed and breaking news and it seemed that donald trump
had doused kerosene all over himself and set himself on fire and was like setting off fireworks in there and then i started looking at the text of the speech and i saw, yes, very strong language towards north korea and language that you and i wouldn't prefer him to use but he also criticized iran, he also criticized venezuela, he criticized rogue regimes. he spoke glowing of the martial plan. talking about the righteous many against the evil few and i was -- okay, so i'm missing something here and then i read your op ed later in the afternoon where you said this was actually -- you take away the bomb bast this is a fairly conventional speech from a president at the united nations. >> joe, i had the same reaction,
the speech had zingers in it guaranteed to send the news media crazy, we'll going to totally destroy north korea, this repetition of the president's new favorite catch phrase, rocket man has clearly replaced crooked hillary as his go-to phrase. what was fascinating to me in the speech was the president in his first speech at the u.n. was embracing the legacy of this institution. he mentioned president truman, the founding father of that world twice in his speech. he mentioned the marshal plan. >> complimentary of the marshal plan. >> the building blocks of the world that you and i live in and we've talked together i would often talk with mika's dad when he was alive about the danger that this world that was created
in 1945 would be taken apart by donald trump and interestingly the speech went in a different direction, that's not to excuse the undiplomatic language, i don't think that that helps, but the substance of the speech tells me that nine months in he is less determined to overturn the system than we might've thought at the beginning. >> so david, i was struck listening to that, yes, it was different than previous president's speeches at the u.n. but it was precisely what donald trump campaigned on. i will defend america first, and always look at first for america's interest so unconventional, yes, but not unexpected i don't think from donald trump. some of the analysis this morning is that the president reshaped the u.s. role in the world with that speech. did he really? was it some big departure to what's happened in the country in the past? >> i didn't it was, willie. i think what's important when a
figure is trying to speak for the masses of americans who think the u.n. is a big waste of time and money, we wanted to be invested in the u.n. that's a community of sovereign nations, reshaping the balance on which this rests but it's not overturning it. i read it a little different from some of the other commentators. we'll see. if president trump is serious about bringing the united states back in as a participant in reform of the u.n., making it more effective, making it more place where problems get solved, that will be a significant difference for a conservative, a republican to do that, would be a big step. i can't help but think that nikki haley is favorite foreign policy official or ambassador to the u.n. is one of the reasons he's so sited about it. it's his friend nikki's project.
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building dangerous missiles and we can not abide by an agreement if it provides cover for the eventual construction of a nuclear program. the iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the united states has ever entered in to. frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the united states and i don't think you've heard the last of it, believe me. >> believe me of course lifted straight from lincoln's second inaugural. >> iran was the other country that president trump took to task in his general assembly speech. joining us now veteran columnist mike barnicle and host of mitchell reports, andrea mitchell. andrea, what did you think of the speech overall?
>> campaign rally, bomb bass tick, overly rhetorical, you know, aggressive and not multilateral. not -- the wrong speech for the venue. >> exactly. i totally agree with you. while many americans would agree with a lot of what he was saying, joe, this speech i feel like was for what our place is in the world stage and i don't think he articulated anything more than we've seen before. he tried to define america first. i mean, this is about working together. >> he used the word sovereignty 21 times yet never name checked russia for grabbing part of ukraine. if he's not going to challenge russia at the same time when his secretary of state is that very day meeting again with the russians on ukraine, as a matter
of fact, and -- >> and yet he's goading somebody who incredible unstable in north korea. >> where's the plan? >> the speech makes me very, very nervous. >> the bulk of the speech as you spoke to in the earlier segment is pretty much boiler plate, it's what you'd expect from an american president. the problem with the speech, according to many, many people i spoke with yesterday after the speech, is that every element that he raised as an issue is a global issue, it's not an american issue and we need -- america first is one thing. america alone is a very dangerous thing. terrorism, climate, cyberattacks. these are global issues and he never addressed them. he stood in front of a fairly useless body, every american knows that but didn't try to do anything collectively to gather that body together to confront these global issues. i'm sure it was enormously
popular with donald trump's base but he's the president of the united states. >> i think that speech was enormously popular or somewhat popular with more than just donald trump's 33% or 35% or whatever it is now. i suspect that speech was popular with the majority of americans. you have a president who was going after north korea, going after iran, going after venezuela. i mean there was a moment we had a lot of conservatives that were cheering yesterday where he said venezuela is failing not because socialism's been implemented badly, it's because socialism's -- and nobody -- nobody clapped in the chamber. he just sat and waited it out. i'm just saying there is donald trump's base, i do think it would be a mistake to think that this only played for 31%. a lot of americans probably agreed with that speech yesterday. >> we'll find out. i don't know. a lot of americans -- i don't
know whether they're going to agree with we're going to destroy you and then after we destroy you, havens wailla watch out and cuba i don't like you either. we can only do so much, joe. i think most americans know that. >> did we get the sense that he was talking about invading all these countries? >> you got the sense that he had warrior language underneath, that he wasn't afraid to go after any nation. >> coming up on "morning joe," new york city is always on high alert especially when nearly all the world leaders are in town. we're going to talk to former homeland security secretary michael chur tauf about what's involved next on "morning joe." a pilot like you shouldn't be flying buses. welcome to miami.
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doors with zip ties and fire hoses but they were unable to do so-so right now as these winds die down people are coming back out to assess some of the damage. we've got another round if this is, in fact, the eye. the winds will continue to hammer us for six to eight hours. >> we're glad you're inside of that shelter. everybody's lucky to be in a concrete structure like that. we'll check back with you in just a second. joining us now former secretary of homeland security, michael chertoff. very good to have you. in fact, just looking at the hurricane coverage, fema's under homeland security, it's more often and they are stronger. >> yeah. >> how is the department do you think in interprets of preparing for these and how are they responding so far? >> i think the government's done quite well bearing in mind that it's always going to be an ugly situation and people are under a lot of stress, but i think this
shows the result of over ten years of working to reformulate what our doctrine is to prepare to train, to exercise and of course this has been an exceptional hurricane season. we haven't had one like this since 2008. so it really is going to test metal of the folks both at the federal and the local level. >> so and reformulating the doctrine in terms of preparing, but what about -- what about climate change and does that play into this or is that a separate entity of the government that should be addressing that? >> i'm not an expert -- >> i know but we all have brains. >> i would say that we've certainly seen intense periods of weather. whatever the cause s we have to start thinking about how do you become more resilient and one thing i would say, if we look at what the dutch have done, dutch have lived below sea level for centuries and they've developed technologies and building requirements that make it easier
for them to resist a catastrophic result. we've got to start thinking about long-term. how do we build an infrastructure and protects us and mitt gates the damage of what may be a period of rising sea levels and more storms. >> okay. let's move to president trump's speech before the u.n. did you think it was a productive speech? >> i think it's a speech where bearing in mind his personal style as a speaker which is a little different than what we're used to, i think it's a speech that you could almost read in to what you wanted to. there were elements that sounded like america first, it's all about america but there were also elements that showed engagement with the rest of the world and focusing on countries where people are actually being oppressed. so i think it was a balanced speech but it's not certainly a typical speech. to me the real question is what does he do, not what does he say? >> given your background, secretary, were you at all surprised that given the nature of the global threat of
terrorism, the global threat of climate, the global threat of cyber attacks that there wasn't more in the speech about the need to address it globally rather than just america first, america alone which seemed to be the direction of the speech? >> i always view these speeches not as a road map to what actually policy is going to be but an overarching theme setter and i think the theme here was we are nation states, we do have obligations to our own people, but as nation states we can work together in our mutual interest. so i don't view this as closing the door on globalization. it certainly was not an apology speech as some we've heard in the past. it was not the most bell koes thing we've heard either so to me the question is what does he do rather than what does he say? >> what's more bellicose than we're going to destroy north korea. >> the axis of evil was bellicose. i've watched people interpret this in different ways over the
last 24 hours. i don't think he said if you don't reannounce your weapons we're going to destroy you. i think what he said was, if we have to defend ourselves, we will destroy you and i think that's a rather crude, perhaps, but accurate statement of what deterrence is and that was really in the cold war what we told the soviets. if you attack us we will fight back. >> so the axis of evil speech was not delivered to the u.n. and i'm just curious because you're one of many who have said we've got to watch what he does, not what he says. that doesn't seem okay. this is the president of the united states. what he says is supposed to be extremely important and it's supposed to represent what he's going to do. and what his intentions are and what his hopes and dreams are for this country and the world community and our place in the world. are we supposed to discount everything he says because he might do something differently? >> i agree with you. ideally you want a president who
can use the bully pulpit as a way -- >> to be honesty. >> to community messages to our allies and adversaries. you just have to face the fact this president's rhetoric is not what we expect and i do think in the end a lot of it will be discounted precisely because it is not necessarily connected to what happens. >> wow. >> to me the policy issues and the way he actually execute become the really important things. if i look at what he's done in dealing with our allies and actually what he does it's been a lot more mainstream than what some of the rhetoric is. >> wow. >> i'm interested in your reaction there secretary to another element of president trump's foreign policy and that is refugee admissions and cutting that number in half as a response to what he views as the global threat of terrorism from certain countries. i was reminded after 9/11 that president george w. bush made a point going out and saying we're
going to keep the number where it is. why do you think that was important for george w. bush to do that and do you think it's a mistake for donald trump to do what he's doing? >> as i've written, putting aside humanitarian issues which of course are important, i think from a national security standpoint it's important not to be cutting the number of refugees that we have as a cap because that sends a bad signal to our allies many of whom are hosting refugees at great burden. i want to be clear about a couple things. i absolutely agree when we have refugees who apply to come in, we need to vet them carefully and make sure they're not a risk. >> which we do. >> i have to say in fairness, we've had a record number of asylum seekers coming into the u.s. i think we're on track to have over 200,000 this year and so that's outside the cap. so we are certainly in a position to be taking people who are fleeing from persecution when they arrive at our shores.
nevertheless, the refugee program i think is a flagship program for solidarity with countries like jordan and turkey and other countries in the region and it's important from a security standpoint that we show that solidarity. >> it's interesting to hear you say it's a question of national security to keep that number, because the argument is it's a question of national security to limit the numbers so some of those refugees don't sneak in that have ill will toward the united states. >> in terms of the risk coming in to do harm, the refugee program where people have to wait usually 18 months to get in is very low risk compared to simple travellers and so i mean, we've obviously got to do whatever we need to to reasonable check but putting a cap on the refugee program doesn't really serve a purpose and is actually contrary to our interest. >> if you tied together several of the challenges the administration is facing, cybersecurity, terrorism,
hurricanes, this is a white house that has one individual essentially handling all of those things or overseeing that, tom bossert, is that effective? do they need to have more people focusing on these issues? is he enough? >> i know tom and i worked with him back in the days of the bush administration and he's very experienced and he's smart and i think he's really capable. we should be pleased he's in that position. i also think that the folks in the security staff and the white house that he's brought in are very capable in the area of cyber. actually i think the real issue is populating the departments and making sure you have staff in the departments. i thought secretary kelly was a good dhs secretary. he's now at the white house. the acting secretary's very good. they're starting to fill the positions out and the good news is actually homeland security as opposed to some other departments is actually relatively well populated at a senior level and with people who have real operational experience and i think you saw the result
of that in the hurricane response. i'm encouraged by that. i'd like to see the state department a little bit more filled out and i think the defense department has some vacancies. one thing you learn when you're dealing with a multitude of crisis you need to have all hands on deck. >> former homeland security michael chertoff, thank you so much for being on with us this morning and still ahead we'll talk to republican senator bill cassidy whose racing against a deadline to pass his obamacare repeal bill but does it fail the so-called jimmy kimmel test. that's next on "morning joe."
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health care. graham/cassidy bill is great. ends ocare. senator paul has been a vocal opponent of the plan. president trump continued on twitter, i hope republicans centers will vote for graham cass did i and fulfill their promise to repeal and replace t and replace obamacare. money direct to states. the comments come as republicans race to beat a september 30th deadline so they only need 51 votes. meanwhile jimmy kimmel had this to say. >> a few months ago after my son had open heart surgery which is something i spoke about on the air, a politician, a senator called bill cassidy from louisiana, was on my show and he wasn't very honest. it seemed like he was being honest. he got a lot of credit and attention for coming off like a rare, reasonable voice in the republican party when it came to health care for coming up with something that he called, he named it this, the jimmy kimmel
test, which was in a nutshell no family should be denied medical care, emergency or otherwise, because they can't afford it. he agreed to that. he said he would only support a health care bill that made sure a child like mine would get the health coverage he needs no matter how much money his parents make. and this guy, bill cassidy, just lied right to my face. >> do you believe that every american regardless of income should be able to get regular checkups, maternity care, et cetera, all of those things that people who have health care get and need? >> yep. >> so yep is washington for nope, i guess. and by the way, before you post a nasty facebook message saying i'm politicizing my son's health problems, i want you to know i am politicizing my son's health problems because i have to. >> wow. and with that, joining us now is republican senator bill cassidy of louisiana. sir, i guess i will ask you to respond. does yep mean no really?
and in your efforts to do this again, will it pass the jimmy kim mel test? >> absolutely. there will be more people covered under the graham/cassidy/heller/johnson amendment and we protect those with pre-existing conditions. there will be billions of dollars of coverage for, woulding families in states like maine, virginia, missouri, florida and elsewhere, states that have been bypassed by obamacare, but under those folks will have insurance and there's protection for those with pre-existing conditions. >> so any child born with a congenital heart disease would get everything he or she needs? >> absolutely. >> okay. >> but it's true, is it not, senator, that states who get the waivers, while they may offer coverage to people with pre-existing conditions are now free to offer them at such a price that it would become unaffordable to those families, which to a lot of people is not having coverage at all. if i can't afford it, i might as
well not have coverage. >> that is not true. under our bill, the coverage has to be adequate and affordable. >> what does that mean exactly? >> we run this through the chip program, we are running this through the chip program, which is wildly popular with both democrats and republicans. and there are safeguards both within the chip program that whatever coverage is offered is, if you will, adequate and affordable but we specifically say that it has to be adequate and affordable. by the way, let me also mention status quo. there's a fellow back in louisiana whose daughter has special needs, he has to buy coverage, doesn't get a subsidy. he's paying over $40,000 a year plus a $5,000 deductible for his family coverage. now that is not affordable and that is pricing somebody whose daughter has a pre-existing condition out of the market. under our plan they would be helped. >> senator, who decides what specifically adequate and affordable means. those are vague terms and can be different things to different
people. who decides what's affordable to a family because that's very different for family a versus family b. >> that would be the secretary of hhs as in the affordable care act, as in this bill. there's some discretion on things that are allowed. for example, we think that if you say adequate and affordable, a reasonable person would say it's got to be about the same price. now, it's possible that someone has a different definition of affordable, but typically those people who have different definitions are trying to protect obamacare, think it's the only way to be and, therefore, they attempt to discredit our plan. >> do you see that some see affordable as a suggestion to be manipulated by insurance companies as well. >> it has to be approved by the secretary of hhs. this is not left up to the insurance company. but let me say, no one likes change. no one likes change even from worse to better. on the other hand, there's a fundamental philosophical difference. democrats are more comfortable
with power being in washington, d.c., and individuals being directed how they live their life. republicans are more comfortable giving power back to the patient, power back to the state with the kind of solutions that americans come up with to solve our problems. we're not going to agree on some things because there's a philosophical difference in that regard. >> dr. cassidy, can you guarantee that your bill will not result in people, families in louisiana, massachusetts or anywhere else paying higher premiums for pre-existing conditions than they pay right now? >> our families will pay less under the graham/cassidy/hell r graham/cassidy/heller/johnson amendment in states like that once the governors implement those plans. but there are protection for those families. i go back to the fellow in louisiana paying $40,000 a year, his daughter with special needs, his premiums will be lower.
>> so your bill, dr. cassidy, as i understand it, cuts coverage for low income seniors, children and people with disabilities -- >> that's not true. >> well, explain why it's not true. >> so i'm not sure if you're -- let me talk about two things. first, we focus the -- there's two pots of money. there's the traditional medicaid and the flexible block grant. the flexible block grant dollars go through the chip program and that has to be focused on those who begin at 50% of federal poverty level going up. states can spend it higher on the chip program, but the focus has to be on those from 50% to 138% of federal poverty level. so those are kind of focused upon. in the traditional medicaid pot, you may be referring to what is called the per capita cap. a proposal first made by bill clinton and then endorsed by people like the senator from
washington, patty murray, as a way to kind of give stability to the medicaid program but still deliver good care. it's what states do with managed care companies. we give you a certain amount of money per patient. now, the federal taxpayer says to the state, you get a certain amount of money per patient and the state says to the medicaid managed care company we give you that money. so we think it's fair and frankly consistent with bipartisan support in the past. >> quickly now we're back to senator cassidy. what do you say to people who indicate and articulate the idea and the thought that this proposal, as with other proposals is more about rejecting anything attached with president obama, obamacare, than it is about improving our health care system. >> you know, i bring to this not a thought about president obama but about my ethics as a physician who worked for 25 years in a public hospital for the uninsured trying to bring health care to those who are poor and working families or
even middle class families who didn't have insurance. this will bring power to that patient, power to that state for them to have control of their health care future. that's what motivates me. >> senator, both the governor of your state and jimmy kimmel don't like your legislation. are you able to win their support or you're going to proceed without their support? >> no one likes change even from worse to better. i've spoken to my governor. we both care passionately about the people in my state. i feel more comfortable with power moving out of washington to our state and to the patient. again, there is a philosophical divide. democrats are more comfortable with the federal government putting an individual mandate penalty on us, coercing us to buy insurance. which boy the way, 58% of those penalties are paid by those earning $50,000 or less. republicans think we should help those families, not penalize them. it's just a philosophical divide. i think when they see the success of our program, they'll
be pleased. >> all right, senator bill cassidy, thank you very much. we have just moments left in the show. i'm wanting to get final thoughts. you can talk round and round in circles. i've gotten e-mails during this interview saying that the senate is saying is simply not true. it's available versus affordable versus what the governors do. it is a very -- why it was so hard for president obama is why this is going to probably be impossible for republicans in the climate in washington now. mark halperin. >> republicans are doing the same thing that the obama administration did. you cannot change the health care system without having consumers who are worse off than under the status quo. like barack obama, senator cassidy is claiming no one will be worse off. it's just not true. >> carol. >> i'm looking forward to what jimmy kimmel has to say because it sounds like they both are having different interpretations of the same legislation. >> some 430,000 people in the state of louisiana alone have signed up the last year under medicaid expansion. their future remains in doubt.
they have a first amendment right to do that, but nfl owners also have a right to fire those players. >> reporter: this is all happening just one day after president trump rescinded his invitation for golden state warriors' guard steph curry to visit the white house. now the entire team isn't going, but the hockey team that just won the stanley cup, they're taking a different approach. i'm talking about the pittsburgh penguins, they put out a statement this morning that reads, quote: the pittsburgh penguins respect the institution of the office of the president and the longstanding tradition of championship teams visiting the white house. any agreement or disagreement with the president's politics, policies or agenda can be expressed in other ways. and, in fact, president trump tweeted about that very statement and praised the penguins for sticking by the tradition and coming to the white house regardless of where the players stand on politics. but, you know, all of this -- i hate to use the word distraction because, clearly, this means so much to so many people across
in london today, others stood with their arms locked together. marianne rafferty is live at the stubhub center and have you talked to fan there is? what are they saying? >> reporter: actually, we did. we talked to fans who agreed and some who completely disagree and think it's unpatriotic, but they all pretty much said the same thing which was, you know, it's everyone's -- everyone has the right the protest if that's what they want to do, and it's not going to stop them from coming to any of the games or watching on tv. we have seen displays like this of solidarity from nfl players around the country. we're talking about 100 players who took a knee today in chicago, the steelers/bears game, nearly the entire team stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in order to avoid controversy except for one player, alejandro villanueva, a west point graduate and army ranger, who stood proudly outside a tunnel with his hand over his heart.
this controversy all started on friday when president trump was at a political rally in alabama and suggested that players who protest by taking a knee should be fired. >> get that son of a [bleep] off the field right now. out, he's fired. [cheers and applause] >> reporter: -- from nfl league executives have been supportive of the players. houston texans' president writing: the comments made by the president were divisive and counterproductive to what our country needs right now. also houston player j.j. watt -- of course known for his effort during the hurricane harvey recovery, fans say that none of this is going to stop them from coming to the games. right now as we speak we've got fans filing in behind us. the chargers/chiefs game here in california set to begin in just about 30 minutes or so. arthel: thank you very much for that update from the west coast. eric: and from the controversy
island both by air and by sea. fema has already delivered 1.6 million gallons of water, 23,000 cots and dozens of generators and food, and more is on the way. more than anything though possibly is the need to connect with loved ones either to see how they are or to let them know that they're okay. with communications down across the island, that has been an incredibly heart-wrenching challenge both for folks on the island as well as back in the states who have family here. that's why so many people are now trying to make their way to puerto rico to be able to check on their loved ones. but with power out, air traffic control here at the airport is very limited in the number of flights that can come in, so folks are having a very difficult time getting to the island to check on their loved ones as well as reaching them by phone with the internet and mobile phones still down, it'll be days before some folks are able to touch base with their loved ones.
people stopping anywhere they can along the highways here if they see a cell phone signal that they have it, they pull over just to call and say, i'm okay. eric? eric: that is just astounding. and it is so overwhelming. garrett, thank you. arthel? arthel: let's go to mexico now where rescue crews are searching through the rubble in search of any survivors after two massive earthquakes rocked the region this past week. thousands of people are now left homeless. jonathan hunt is in mexico city with the latest and, jonathan, i mean, how are those crews holding up, and are you seeing or have you spoken to any of the residents? >> reporter: it's a tough, tough job for these rescue workers, arthel. this in the heart of downtown mexico city is the last remaining official search and rescue operation underway. the collapsed office building behind me is the focus of an intense search. the media kept at some distance
for obvious reasons, but earlier today we were able to get a little closer, and take a look at this video. you can see just what a painstaking operation it is. those highly skilled, very determined crews using basically just their hands to claw away layer after layer of rubble. they don't want to bring in heavy machinery, because that could disturb huge blocks of concrete and bring them crashing down on anybody who may, may still be surviving in there. it is a long shot but, obviously, they are not giving up yet. one of the crews that has been helping out in this effort is from the united states. the los angeles county fire department urban search and rescue team, i caught up with their team leader, chief dennis cross, and he told me there is still hope. listen here. >> the will of somebody to live outweighs anything else. a human being can survive for a number of days especially if they have a water source. if they're in an area that's a
void space and they've got some source of water, bottled water, rain water as we saw in haiti, we pulled victims out of the rubble between 7-9 days that had a water source. we never give up because we know there are miracles. >> reporter: and this is a true international effort, arthel. obviously, the mexican authorities taking the lead here, and they have very, very highly skilled teams but as well as the u.s. teams, there are teams here from israel, from japan, from chile. so this is a real international effort, a coming together to try to help the mexican people as best they can. but, obviously, with every passing minute hopes fade of finding anybody else alive. arthel? arthel: still, heroes and angels hard at work. jonathan hunt, mexico city, thank you so much, jonathan. eric: republican leaders have hit some roadblocks in washington in their push to try and repeal and replace obamacare and now, well, the list of no votes is growing.
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♪ ♪ eric: well, tensions continue to escalate with north korea with pretty tough talk from both sides and a show of force. the pentagon sending a squad of eight u.s. fighters and bombers to the farthest point north of the demilitarized zone by any aircraft, american aircraft this century. they flew over international waters to the east of north korea. this coming after north korea's foreign minister delivered a fiery speech at the united nations yesterday harshly slamming the president, call him, quote: mentally deranged. and saying mr. trump's tough talk on north korea is making a strike against us, he said, inevitable. president trump took to twitter basically warning that the north will cease to exist if it attacks the u.s. colorado republican senator corey gardner, a member of the foreign relations committee, also weighed in on this showdown. >> we have a long ways to go to
continue to ratchet up the economic and diplomatic pressure on north korea and the enablers of north korea. our number one goal with north korea as it relates to north korea must and always will be peaceful duh nuclearization -- denuclearization of the regime. eric: is that even possible? gordon chang joins us from washington. first, gordon, what do you think is going on in kim jong un's head when he reads the president's tweets? >> well, he does feel diminished. but what really concerns me, you know, we've had these threats from north korea to incinerate american cities for years, and we even had those entertaining videos, but something is new. with the foreign minister's speech at the u.n. yesterday, he talked about attacking the entire u.s. mainland, but he didn't preface it with what north koreans have always said in the past. in the past they've said, look, if the u.s. strikes us, we will strike you. we didn't hear that yesterday from the foreign minister. and so that is a new development, and i think it
indicates that there probably is a change in kim jong un's mind as he views all of these developments. eric: so your interpretation and analysis is they're thinking of a first strike? >> well, i -- [laughter] i don't think they're actually thinking of that, but they're talking about that though. and, you know, the north koreans parse those words very carefully. the foreign minister was supposed to speak before the u.n. on friday, he postponed. obviously, the north koreans wanted to think about what his speech would actually specifically say. so i think that you have to assume that they chose their words very carefully. now, to me, it's incomprehensible that they would think of doing that, but nonetheless, when you look at that speech, you look at the placement of the words, you've got to be very concerned. eric: he basically called the u.s. the enemy, said the korean war was continuing, you know, hasn't ended, and they fear an attack by the u.s., and they say their nuclear program is for defensive purposes. let's listen to a little bit more of what was said at the
united nations. [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: what else could be a bigger threat than the violent remarks such as pouring fire and fury, total destruction coming from the top authority of the world's biggest nuclear power? the very reason the dprk has to possess nuclear weapons is because of the u.s., and it had to strengthen and develop its nuclear force up to the current level to cope with the u.s.. finish. eric: there he's saying it's, you know, our fault. >> yeah. the north koreans have always said that, you know? they've had a nuclear weapons program since at least 1965 when kim ill sung, the founder of the regime, asked for technology from the chinese. they probably even had a program before that. this has nothing to to do with president trump's words of fire and fury or the rest of it. and we've got to remember when president trump said he would totally destroy north korea, this was his tuesday u.n.
speech, he preceded it by some very important words, and that was if the united states is forced to defend itself or its allies. so, you know, president trump has been careful even though he uses bombastic language, he couches it in self-defense. eric: and that is -- >> the north koreans aren't doing that. eric: that's always been the u.s. policy anyway, hasn't it been? >> it has been. and matter of matter of fact, ik at president trump's words, and fiery as they were, they really were just a restatement of u.s. deterrence policy which has always talked about massive retaliation if the united states is attacked. so in substance, they weren't anything new. now, of course, president trump has used language which is more bellicose, but when you look at the substance, really nothing has changed. eric: yeah, something else that i caught in the speech which i thought was really a nugget, he totally rejects security council resolutions, rejects the international law and the international legitimacy of the security council and the nine resolutions. let's listen to what the foreign
minister said about that. [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: the democratic people's republic of korea is a responsible nuclear weapons state. we will take preventive measures by merciless preemptive action in case the u.s. and its vessel forces show any sign of conducting a kind of decapitating operation on our headquarters or military attack against our country. eric: finally he said merciless, preemptive action if there's any type of decapitation strike or attack. i mean, what exactly is he talking about? >> well, it's actually even worse than that, eric, because he talked about a preventative strike. you know, preemption is recognized that a country can preempt another country if an attack is imminent. he talk about preventative of which is not an attack because something is imminent, it's to prevent your opponent from getting a capability or from doing something. and so this is even more
provocative than we first thought when we started to listen to his speech. eric: raising the stakes to a a level that we haven't ever pact chi seen -- practically seen, certainly not since the korean war back in the '50s, gordon chang, thank you for your analysis this afternoon. >> thanks, eric. arthel: as president trump is getting ready to board air force one in new jersey to head back to the white house, mr. trump is doubling downed today on his demand -- down today on his demand that nfl team other thans fire or suspend any players who kneel during the national anthem and calling on fan it is to boycott games -- fans to boycott games if they don't. how are fans reacting? we'll have that ahead. we'll have that ahead. ♪ ♪ my insurance company definitely doesn't have that... you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance. g new cars.
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washington after spending the weekend at his new jersey golf course. the president will go back to d.c. facing a full complement of issues that he'll need to tackle including the announcement of his new travel ban, the nfl twitter war of words between the president and the nfl players and coaches and owners and then another attempt at the repeal and replace of obamacare as well as the situation escalating between the tension there in north korea and, of course, you have the natural disasters in puerto rico and new mexico, mexico city there, we have reporters on the ground there. president trump is addressing the crowd, looks like he's talking to reporters. of course, we have a reporter there in that crowd, and when we get some sound from that conversation that's happening right now, we'll turn it around and play it for you. but again, the president is going back to, he'll be getting on air force one momentarily heading back to the white house where he's got a lot to tackle. we'll keep you posted on what's happening with the president. eric: obviously, he has a lot to
say a because presidents usually don't stand by air force one at the airport and have an extended type of news conference or statement, but certainly it appears -- and you can see how he's gesticulating -- he's obviously, i would think, discussing the issue and the controversy as well as probably some other crises and being asked about it by the white house traveling press corps. as we said, we will bring his comments as soon as we can get that tape from the camera or however we can do that, play the video for you when it's played back for us. well, you know, the president's condemnation of nfl players who kneel during the national anthem is dividing some of the fans on the issue. some players took a knee before a game, you're looking at the one in london. this was the jaguars versus the raichs. -- ravenings. all members of the new york jets stood proud, linking arms in some cases. it's been a mix throughout the league today.
bryan llenas is in east rutherford, new jersey, to talk with folks at a sports bar where the fans are. hey, bryan. >> reporter: that's right, i'm at the reds restaurant and bar just outside of metlife stadium. i spoke to about two dozen folks here all obviously sports fans. they were, yeah, most of them upset by the manner which players are protesting. but when it comes to whether or not they're going to boycott the nfl, not so much. take a listen. >> no, i'm not going to boycott the nfl at all. >> reporter: what are your thoughts? why, actually? >> why, because i understand people have the right to protest, right? but you protest against a specific action. if you are going to protest for black lives matters, right, march in a black lives matter, right? if you're going to protest specifically, but don't do it at a sporting event. i just think it's the wrong venue. >> i would never boycott the nfl because i love football.
but i think the president should have interjected in it, he should have said something. he's the president. do i agree with everything that he says? no, i don't agree with everything that he says, but at least he shows that he's paying attention. >> i think it actually makes me want to go more just to show support for our players and try to keep the two issues separate. and once again, there's a lot on the president's plate right now and what's going on in the nfl should be, like, on the bottom of his list or not on his list at all. >> 100%. i mean, listen, i'm a veteran, man. those guys are getting paid millions of dollars, and i used to get clash 750 -- $750 twice a month, and if you can't stand for the national anthem, get the hell off the field. >> this wasn't about trump, this was about the cause. now it turned from the cause to everybody uniting for the injustice or against the president. >> reporter: obviously no
doubt the talk of nfl sunday today, but ultimately they say the biggest thing that bothers most folks is they just don't want to talk about politics, religion, any of that, especially on a day where they just want to concentrate on football. eric? eric: i guess the jets won today too, so for jets fans -- >> unfortunately. i'm a dolphin fan, but, yeah. [laughter] eric: sorry. next time maybe. >> reporter: take care. arthel: and the saints won too. anyway, moving on. for more now we're going to bring in judy miller, adjunct fellow, pulitzer prize-winning reporter and fox news contributor. judy, hello. we have lots to talk about, and we start here. do you think it's time to take this offline and off of twitter, you know, take it to the oval office for a discussion about what started this, which is, you know, which is what the players see as social injustice? >> look, i think that's a subject, arthel, that clearly is on the minds of those players.
that's what led to this protest, the taking of the knee, that's what prompted donald trump to lash out. it's just very unfortunate, i think, that that -- his response to that protest has divided the nation yet again. three-quarters of the nfl players are black, and three-quarters of the audiences are white. i understand the way many people feel about this issue because it is disrespectful to the flag to kneel, not to stand during the national anthem. but let's remember this is not about the flag, this is about what the flag stands for, and free speech and the right of free expression is one of the most important values that that flag stands for. and i'm just very sorry that donald trump had to keep the spotlight on him. i think in part to distract americans from his foreign policy and domestic policy
failures whether it's the impending failure to pass the repeal of obamacare or his embarrassing war of words with the north korean dictator which is also dangerous. this thing has gotten way out of hand so, yes, we need everybody to calm down, but we need to stand up for the right of free speech which is what most of the players and their coaches and even owners who supported donald trump have done now. arthel: well, you're right, the president is very smart when it comes to driving the news media coverage and taking it to where he wants it to go. meanwhile, i want to ask you how do you think white house chief of staff general kelly will discuss this war of words between the president and the players happening, you know, so publicly? >> look, i think that john kelly, general kelly is responsible for bringing order out of the chaos that was the
white house and the policy agenda, but he cannot control donald trump, and he's not going to stop him from tweeting and dividing the nation through his tweets. let's just remember this: lebron james, maybe the most popular and talented athlete in the country, supported the players, not donald trump, and he has twice the number of twitter followers as donald trump. so in a popularity contest, i'm not even sure donald trump would win this one. arthel: well, when you talk about -- pop a lairty is one thing, but when you talk about presidential history, how will it treat president trump on this development? >> oh, i don't think we can possibly say yet. we are just at the beginning of this administration. even, arthel, i think we all have to say it feels as if he's been president for a long -- arthel: you know, i'm sorry, judy, i meant just on this particular issue when we look back on on this, how do you think the president will be
presented? >> well, i think it depends on what happens. i mean, if people start boycotting the nfl and football, maybe the president will be able to take a victory lap, so to speak, using another sports metaphor. but if he doesn't and if fans just say we want to go watch the game and we don't want to hear about politics, then he will have miscalculated, and he will have misjudged where the american people are on an issue like this. a. arthel: so, i mean, this is quite -- i think it's safe to say it's quite shocking to many people watching this, just the whole engagement and how it's happening and how it's gotten to, again, pardon the pun, to kind of a locker room level. >> right. right. it's really disturbing. and i think that, you know, one thing i'm reminded of is the owner of the new england patriots, robert kraft, who
supported president trump -- arthel: absolutely. >> -- and thanked him for being there when his wife died. he said donald trump called him every single week to find out what he was doing at what he called the lowest point in his life. where is that man? where is that donald trump who was able to reach out and be empathetic and bring people together? because since he's become president, he's just been dividing us. arthel: well, you know, judy, lots to talk about. we're short on time here but, of course, the flag and honoring the flag is very important. social injustice is very important, so we have a lot of -- >> absolutely. arthel: -- really crucial issues that need to be discussed and, you know, acknowledged. and hopefully, begin to find some resolution. judy miller, we have to leave it there and thank you for your analysis. we'll talk to you again soon. >> thank you very much, arthel. arthel: thank, judy. eric: a few moments ago we saw the president talking to the media. we don't have the tape yet, but we do have some of the comments.
the president said that this, his call for the football players to be fired, in his words, quote: had nothing to do with race, but instead respect for the flag and for the country. and as for his friend bob kraft who has been at the white house with him celebrating the patriots' super bowl win and who has been a big donor to president trump, he said he likes bob very much, does like him, but that he had to go where he had to go in this controversy. so the president having some comments on the football controversy. we'll bring you the video as soon as we get it. he also talked about tax reform, very optimistic about that as the president heads back to washington. we continue with this controversy and with all the rest of the news, it is a busy weekend as fox news on this weekend continues in just a second. don't go away. in the navy. i do outrank my husband, not just being in the military, but at home. she thinks she's the boss. she only had me by one grade. we bought our first home together in 2010. his family had used another insurance product
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sampson. and what we know so far is that one person, at least one person is dead, several others have been wounded. officers say the gunman first opened fire in the parking lot on a woman who was walking out of the church service. in fact, you can see his suv in the video there. it's the dark blue one with the doors open. again, emanuel sampson then entered the church and fired off several rounds, wounding six people and pistol whipping another person. and he reportedly shot himself after being confronted by a church member. now, we have a part of the 911 police radio audio from around 11:30, 11:25 central time this morning. let's take a listen. >> active situation, i was going to roll to that, but sounds like they've got the guy at gunpoint on the ground. arthel: so emanuel sampson, 25 years old. he's in the hospital and, of course, this is a quickly developing story, and we're going to bring you the very latest as we get it.
eric: and now to the health care bill, graham-cassidy. well, it needs some serious help or or revision if it is going to pass the senate. the deadline for that simple majority vote is september 30th, and that's less than one week away, and gop leaders had planned to vote this week, but several republicans are now putting that in doubt. as you know, senator john mccain has come out saying he will not vote for the bill. senators rand paul and lisa murkowski are leaning against it, and just this morning senators susan collins and ted cruz said they likely will not vote for the bill either. >> i'm concerned about the impact on the medicaid program. i'm concerned about the impact on cuts and coverage. we already have a problem under the affordable care act with the cost of premiums and deductibles. and finally, i'm very concerned about the erosion of protections for people with pre-existing conditions.
eric: senior executive vice president and chief operating officer of america's health insurance plans matt isles joins us. what's your view as it stands now? >> sure. thanks for having me, eric. we have some serious concerns about the current state of the legislation. we're very concerned about eroding protections for pre-existing conditions, the impact it would have on coverage and the potential for millions of people to lose coverage, the impact on states and medicaid and really the ability to implement this program in the timeline that's envisioned under the legislation. it would create chaos. eric: but the gop sponsors say it's a great improvement over obamacare, that it'll stop the premiums from going up, and it's needed to try and protect most americans. >> we actually have a different set of fixes that we think are important to address obamacare. we think it'll be important to fund the so-called cost-sharing reduction payments that allow low income individuals to afford their care.
we think there could be some more state flexibility with guardrails in place to allow skates to get waivers in place place -- states to get waivers in place more quickly. we also think you could push down premiums by, say, 15 or 20% if you put in place a so-called reinsurance program, and that would a make the market more stable and bring plans back to the market which would help choice and competition for consumers. eric: what's that, when you talk about a reinsurance program? what do you mean? >> sure. if there was additional funding to take off the pressure from individuals with very high health care expenses, what we've seen in the market thus far is that, unfortunately, we haven't gotten the young and healthier people to enroll, but if we were able to push down premiums, we could take that pressure off and maybe find a way to attract a younger, healthier mix into the marketing in addition to providing pre-existing condition protections and keeping those in place. eric: you represent 1,300 insurance companies that sell insurance to us so, you know,
what are you hearing on the ground? what are the folks telling you? because we see it in our insurance premiums. >> sure. there's a lot of concern particularly in the individual market. and we have to remember that that's a relatively small portion of the market, only about 6%, but it's getting almost 100% of the attention because of the challenges that we've seen there. but there's a concern about really certainty in the marketplace. it's not clear about the cost-sharing reduction payments that i'm mentioning. they've been month to month. getting some certainty in place and thinking about a bipartisan fix, for example, some of the ideas that senators alexander and murray have put in place would probably be a better start in the short term. eric: what do you like about that plan? >> sure. it would provide some certainty by, again, funding payments and giving states a little bit more flexibility. it would be a good first step. there are other ideas that we think could be put in place to make the market more attractive for younger individuals to come, but we need to start and get that stability now. eric: do you think that, you
know, lamar alexander, republican of tennessee, and patty murray, democrat of washington state, i mean, that is being touted as the bipartisan fix. they pulled it for graham-cassidy, but that may be back on the table certainly after next week, especially if graham-cassidy goes down the tubes. do you think some republicans could join, more republicans could join alexander and murray, and that's exactly what we may see in the coming weeks? >> it's hard to know how the politics of the situation plays out. what we've really focused on is getting a policy solution and bringing a fix so that the american people who rely on coverage without the help of an employer through the exchanges really have more choices, there's more competition in the market and we can make a good first step towards getting stability over the long term for this group. eric: that's certainly what all americans need, try to get a fix on this. matt eyles, thank you so much. >> thank you. arthel: roll tide, a republican battle playing out in alabama
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days away. senator luther strange and judge roy moore facing off to fill the seat attorney general jeff sessions left vacant. the contest becoming a test of president trump's political clout with his endorsement of luther strange, and peter doocy is live in huntsville. hey, peter, what's the latest? >> reporter: arthel, i just spoke to senator luther strange who told me he thinks he got a little bit of a boost in this runoff race because president trump made his comments about the nfl and players kneeling for the anthem at his campaign event on friday. do you think that him making that point at your event helps you? does it move the needle in your direction ahead of the runoff? >> oh, i think so. our supporters are deeply patriotic. they respect the values that the president represents and what he stood for at that rally, and i think that's going to make all the difference. >> reporter: we caught up with strange at the irondale café
which inspired the movie fried green tomatoes, and he says he loves the nfl commentary from the commander in chief was the headline from the campaign event, because he says he couldn't agree more with the president. strange also says he doesn't really mind that president trump gave himself an out on friday night by saying even if strange loses, he will come back to campaign for the challenger, judge roy moore. strange says he thinks the president was just expressing his position as a republican. the challenger, moore, did tell a crowd at a bluegrass festival last night that this race matters because if he loses and senator strange holds on to the seat that he was appointed to when jeff sessions left, it will let the so-called establishment from d.c. know that they could come to places like alabama and buy votes. moore is pitching himself as the conservative who will best represent conservatives, and the president's former chief adviser, steve bannon, agrees. bannon is going to be here tomorrow night with phil
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we're lye in the cnn newsroom. thanks for being with us. it is a storm for the record books. harvey living up to all of the fears and the predictions by bringing catastrophic flooding to parts of texas, including the nation's fourth largest city. around 3,000 national guard members have been activated as water fills home and streets. some families desperate to get to higher ground for forced to use axes to chop their way out of their attics and on to the roofs of their homes. pets are being carried in coolers as people with forced to wade through waist high water trying to get to safety. the two major airports are closed, every single highway in the state is under water and it's only going to get worse saying that the breadth and intensity of the rainfall is beyond anything ever experienced before. cnn was there when an a dramatic
rescue took place in dickinson. we're live. ed, what is the latest that you're seeing? actually we're going to show you the video of the moment when it happened. >> try to get them in the boat so we can get them out of here. i'm going to put the mike phone down while we help them get into the boat. how are you doing sir? might be better to get in on that side there. let me see if i can get something for you to -- >> you want to give me your hand, sir and i can try to pull you up. how are your arms feeling? >> okay. >> jason, you want to come up here and help? >> i can help lift you if that's okay. you ready?
one, two, three. >> got it? >> yeah. get that foot in there. it's not too bad. >> just sit wherever you feel like, you know, is the most comfortable for you. >> just sit right there on the edge and we'll take care of you. >> are we taking on water? >> it's all of the rain we had earlier today and i never bailed it out. it's not a problem, though. >> you doing all right? >> yeah, i think so. >> long day? >> yeah. hey, we've got this gentleman's wife and their daughter that
still need to be pulled out of here, so austin and seth, the volunteer -- >> i want to bring in ed now live for us. ed, you're off of the boat. what is the latest? what has happened sense that moment that you brought us that rescue live here on cnn? >> reporter: well we're out here on interstate 45 now. pam jones and their mother being treated now. they're waiting for a vehicle that can drive them off and get them to safer ground. we're out of the neighborhood. she's finally being treated here. so everything is going to work out just fine. but to give you a sense, the rescues continue. it just isn't the boat that we were on. there are hundreds of volunteers fanning out in this one particular area of dickinson, texas, south of downtown houston. the city of houston. i think we're 25, 30 miles ousoh
of houston. this entertain has essentially become a boat launch fb volunteer rescuers taking flat boats out into the neighborhoods with f , fanning out into the neighborhoods and rescuing people. this is austin seth who was manning the boat. heck of a day for you? >> it was definitely an interesting one. wasn't what i was planning on doing when i woke up this morning. >> reporter: you pulled about 15 people probably total out of these neighborhoods today. >> i think that's what it ended. being, about 15. >> reporter: your emotions after finishing up a day like that? >> there's not words like this. seeing it is sad but i can't imagine living it. it's unreal. >> reporter: many people are grateful to people like austin seth who lives an hour away, came down here, brought his boat and pulled people out. this has been going on throughout most of the day. kind of a little bit of a race
against the clock because as you might remember from pam jones, the woman we were in her house, she was worried that many boats were passing by and she wasn't going to get on a boat before nightfall and having to spend the night in the house. oddly enough, that neighborhood actually had some power. they actually had some air conditioning. as devastated as that neighborhood looking, oddly somehow the power stayed on perhaps making it slightly more comfortable for them while they waited. the good news is pam jones, who you see standing there, her mother and father out of the neighborhood. they'll be loaded on to a bus or some other vehicle to take them -- i think they were trying to get so some relatives' homes tonight. the work continues to intensify here in houston. >> one part of their journey has a happy ending but really it's just beginning for a lot of the people there. thank you. moments ago, president trump tweeted about the storm recovery
saying quote, historic rainfall in houston, all over texas floods are unprecedented and more rain coming. spirit of the people. is incredible. thanks. brian todd is in houston. she's joining us now. you're with more rescues under way. >> reporter: that's right. we hitched a ride with two of the private rescuers. we've been pulling people out of the omni hotel. this is the entrance of the lobby. you're witnessing a rescue life. they're pulling people out of the omni hotel. look at how deep the water is. here's a group of people being pulled onto the boat right now. this is brian meadows, one of rescuers. his partner is here hole. ing people get onto the boat. maybe we can talk to them. we've been at the staging area where they've launched these boats for the last hour and a half, two hours. and there have been several people pulled out and taken to
those areas and shuttled to safety in other hotels. these people elected to come. we're tolds that some people are electing to stay at the omni hotel even though the water, as you can see, is past people's knees. and it's -- we're told that it's rising. you can see in the lobby, i can see a staircase with the water going up the staircase a little bit. the water is rising. we're getting a break in the rainfall right now. it has not rained for at least 45 minutes. and so but they continue to pull people out. we're told that between 60 and 80 people were stranded inside here. the hotel staff has kept everyone calm. they said the people can stay for as long as they want. ma'am, hi, can you tell us what your name is, please? >> marion washington. >> reporter: describe what the conditions are like. >> they're bad. the whole lobby is flooded. but we're associates. >> reporter: you work here?
>> yes. >> reporter: what's the hotel doing to, i guess, make people comfortable. and some people are actually staying, correct? >> i'm not sure. all i know is they're trying to make us comfortable. they're taking us to the hotel. >> reporter: good luck. seth roberts is here, one of the rescue rescuers. tell me some of the logistical problems you're running into. >> there's water in some places and there's not water in other places. it makes it a little tricky. we've got a lot of calls coming in on facebook right now. we're trying to get to people and trying to get everybody out of here safely so that we can get other people that are families and kids and elder folks that need to get out of the house. so we're just doing our best to get everybody safe right now. >> reporter: seth, thanks for talking to us. i know he's got to do his work and climb back into the boat. we're told about 60 to 80 people have been stranded in here. and seth told me a minute ago
that they want to get as many people out of here as they can because there are other people in residential areas behind this hotel who need rescuing from their homes. of course it's been a recurrent theme all day here in houston. people needing to be pulled out of their homes. officials telling them don't go to your attics. get to your roof top. if you have to go to the attic, bring an ax or another heavy piece of equipment to punch a hole through. that's how dramatic it is here. there are some other boats that have come to pull some others out of here. >> brian todd in houston during more rescues taking place at this hour. thank you. joining u now, the texas governor, greg abbott. thank you so much for taking a moment to be with us. seeing those rescues taking place, you must be proud of the citizens of your state right now. >> texans are the best. i am so proud of my fellow texans and the way they're
responding. thankful for the first responders and the terrific work they're doing. we're working to aid them by deploying 3,000 national guard members as well as providing about 200 or so boats and helicopters for emergency rescues. but it's these first responders who are making life and death decisions, who helping so many people live. i'm so proud of them and what they're doing. i want our fellow texans to know we'll continue to effort until we get to every single person. >> downtown houston is obviously under water. people are having to use axes to chop their way out of the attics onto their roofs. i'm not sure if you saw some of the people rescued live here on our air. i'm wondering why there wasn't a mandatory evacuation issued for the houston area. can you tell us about that? >> well, of course those decisions are made at the local level by law here in texas. but listen, now is not the tame
to do any second-guessing. now is the time for all of us to come together and work to save lives. this is a matter of moments and we need to use every moment we have to rescue innocent lives, to get them to a safe place and then to begin the rebuilding process. >> e with eve seen private citizens using boats to rescue people. do you think there were enough resources in place ahead of the storm? >> well, again, those are decisions made at the local level. we have a raid put together, about 250 boats, and sent them to houston, texas to make sure they will have all of the boats that they should be able to need. it's great when we see so many texans -- this is really typical of what we see of our fellow neighbors. they're going to come out and help others. so many people in texas, they're not going to wait for some government official to come by. they're going to take matters into their own hands and do what they can to help their neighbor. >> do you know how many people
have within rbeen rescued today within the last 24 hours? >> i have not seen a count but it is 0 ur canning by the minute. i want you to know and i want hugh stone i houstonians know we're going to continue this around the clock. >> do you know how many people have died? the last number we had were at least two people confirmed dead due to the storm. >> there are reports of people who have died but we don't know if it's as a result of the storm. we need to wait for confirmation of that. we want to safe all of those that need to be rescued. >> what do you say to somebody who may be trapped in their home right now watching the water level inside their home slowly kri croup creep up? >> they need to get higher in
the house, part of it could mean signaling outside so that rescuers will know that they're in there. there will be different types of rescuers constantly working, some by boat, some in the air, some trying any way they can to get to every home. and so if you're inside a home, try to make it visual on the outside to let someone know that you are in there. >> we're hearing from meteorologists there could be an additional 20, 25, 30 inches of rain that falls in this area that's already flooded out. what's happening right now in terms of coordinating with the emergency responders in your state to prepare for the additional rainfall that's still coming? >> right. we have the state emergency responders kooshd nating with the county and local emergency responders. and understand withe only part this involves houston. a lot of the rain is falling in more rural areas where there's still a whole lot of population
that we're involved in trying to protect and save. this is a really massive effort responding to a massive storm. >> and do you feel prepared? >> we have so many assets that we're able to provide to this. and because we've gotten the approval of the presidential declaration, we now have this work and aid of fema in this process. so we're going to be adding more personnel and assets on top of the 3,000 national guard there will be many more coming in to aid in this process. >> governor greg abbott, thank you again for spending time with us. best of luck to you and your state. >> thank you so much. >> i want to go now to a press conference being held by the mayor of houston. let's listen. >> let me talk about the assets that we're working with. there are 22 aircrafts that are
working with us in terms of identifying people who are stranded maybe on their roofs. 16 of the 22 are from the coast guard. they have been flying about. and in many cases actually taking people off of the root, taking them to some other location. certainly want to thank the coast guard for its work. the fema task team force is now on the ground as of today. fema has 16 assisting in search and rescue. four of the teams consist of 80 members and two of the teams consist of 60 members. so they are assisting. with regards to additional assets, we're operating with 35 boats, high water rescue boats and then 93 dump trucks, high water rescues. 49 of the 39 came in today. 20 from the texas military and
then another 29 later on today as well. so we recognize that we have a number of needs exist across the city, across the city, so i'm very grateful to that. and then i certainly want to acknowledge calls and support that we have received from mayors across the country. the dallas mayor, san antonio, columbus, new orleans, baton rouge, boston, los angeles. and i especially want to thank all of the mayors, new york, and then i just got off of the phone with mayor watch out of boston who will be sending, you know, clothes for adults as well as children. he just wants no know what ages are most in need. he's also sending some high
water rescue vehicles as well, as well as cots for those in our shelters. i want to thank all of the other mayors, san antonio, l.a., dallas, all of them have indicated that they will join in and asseist and i certainly appreciate their support on multiple levels. let me call on the chief for comments that he might have. >> thank you, mr. mayor. so again, i want to echo the mayor's sentiment. we really appreciate everybody that's stepping up to help us today and throughout this event that we're trying to manage here at the city. we have, as of right now, we have imagined to cut most of our calls for service holding in half. i think we're down to 400, last check through our cad system and verified 105 calls for water rescue. we're steadily working and whittling away at all of those people, all of you all who have
been calling for our assistance, we have more resources in the field now than we did earlier. as we get more partners join in to help us manage the situation. if you do not have to leave your home, if you do not have to get out on the roadway, please do not do so. call us. we'll be there. we have more boats in the water. we have more high water rescue vehicles now. we've almost doubled our ability to respond and we'll get to you. and again i want to also emphasize, please do not go up in your attics if you're trying to escape water because that could be a trap for you where you may not be able to get out. attics are not the place to retreat to if you're in your home and your home is taking on water. you need to get out where you can be seen and we can respond and find you. as far as our sister cities, we're leaning forward in terms of reaching out and developi ii
mous. our officers are leaning forward, doing a fantastic job. everybody is here, almost every officer is here and accessible and able to go out to do their job and protect the city, even in the face of their own families being home and some of them having the challenges that they're having to imagimanage. but we're out there. we will be leaning on our sister cities for additional help in managing and assuring that the public is safe. that no one is missed and that we are also sure that people's property is safe when they do leave their homes. we'll lean as far forward on that as we can. it's an ongoing project, challenge that we're going to face here. but we have the people committed to do it and we will continue to do so. so thank you. >> and i certainly would be remiss without acknowledging and thanking all of our first
responders, houston police officers, houston fire department who have been out on the front line and have just done a yeoman's job. they've demonstrated their commitment and love for the city. they've been out there in the water. i certainly want to thank them as well. chief with the fire department. >> thank you were mayor. i want to first thank certainly the office of emergency management for really the hospitality they provide us for the last three days here and will continue to host us for the foreseeable future here as we're still not out of the woods. we expect heavy downpours at certain times. so we want to encourage the public to please be mindful that standing water is extremely dangerous. it's extremely dangerous. you can't tell what you're stepping into. so please, if you don't have to be in the streets, don't be out in the streets.
and please, please don't drive. the houston fire department has been working tirelessly, as has the houston police department to try to effect rescues and keep the public straight. we're working to switch personnel, keep them fresh. keep their head in the same, so to speak, and keep their situational awareness where it should be. we're going to work with our partners. we do have state assets now in place. we are more efficiently being able to affect the rescues and the demand for service here in the city of houston and we're going to continue to really provide a presence out there and ensure that we're doing the right thing for this community. thank you. >> thank you, chief. dennis, the rescues of homeland security, we've been housed here for the next several days and we'll be housed here for several days to come.
dennis. >> thank you, mayor. so the city's emergency operation center is operating at a level 1 which essentially means that all city departments are represented here, along with our partners both at the state and federal level. we've got resources from all of these different agencies. it's unbelievable about the cooperation that's going on among the vary agencies. the bottom line is we're not out of the woods yet. we saw the weather deteriorate a little bit yesterday. and so i think we'll see us here for several more days probably as we continue to work with our partners and more assistance comes in from other departments. so a big thank you to all of our partner agencies both at the federal, state and local level. we'll continue to work with thing. thank you. >> thanks, dennis.
leadership to the mayor's homeless programs, homeless initiatives. >> working with the coalition for the homeless we have been coordinating with our agencies that have been working with the homeless outreach teams and shelters. the majority of the homeless are off of the streets and are in area shelters. we' we've worked closely with store hope as well as salvation army who have around 500 more homeless individuals than normal in their shelters. homeless individuals have been going to their regular shelters, including the george r. brown. four days ago the sheriff's department homeless outreach team and outreach teams from partner agencies have been working to get the home sbools she -- homeless into shelters. they've done a great job. the vast majority are off of the streets. our first responders are still
working with some to convince them to come off of the zreestr. our thoughts are with the entire houston community. >> we have a number of partners working with the city. i certainly want to thank all of them. i do want to highlight the red kos cross. they have been very supportive. three phases, the prepreparation to the storm, the second is what are we doing during the storm and the third will be the aftermalafte aftermath. i want to thank red cross for stepping in early, even in the prepreparation phase. we had identified two shelters, one that we can remember from the last major storm in april of last year, we know what happened when the waters came in and the apartment complexes were flooded and all of the panned modemoniu occurred.
we're able to caulk to them before the deluge of water came in and that was a pretty good transition. i want to thank the red cross for their participation. and second i want to thank the members of the sait-based community, prior to the rainfall. more than 25 churches for stepping up making their facilities, indicating that they would make their facilities available. i want to thank the members of the faith-based community. and people of the business community and other nonprofits for being supportive. this is not a one-two-three day deal. even when the storm is no longer a storm, we know that the aftermath is going to require a lot of attention, a lot of focus to get people back into a sense of normalcy. but i do want to thank everyone for just working with us and i want to thank his tooustonians doing their part helping us get through this.
having said that we'll take whatever questions you may have. >> reporter: you commenteds just then on the community and what all they've done. consider the likely event in advance -- [ inaudible ] >> absolutely not. you know, county judge emmett and i have talked and we both wholeheartedly agree. the best course of action for the people in the city of houston and for harris county were for people to stay in place. number one, in you can recall, there was a lot of conversation about the direction in which hurricane harvey was going to go. no one knew which direction it was going to go. it's difficult to send people away from danger when you don't know where the danger is. number two, to try to put forth some sort of evacuation in a couple of days was a little -- i mean the logistics would have been crazy. okay? because if we can remember the last time we evacuated, there was a great deal of confusion, a
great deal of chaos. people literally going to austin on the road 10 to 12 hours, if not longer. there were people that ran out gas on their way. it takes a lot of preparation. you have to have an evacuation plan. and then in the city of houston there are 2.3 million people. when you combine that with harris county you're talking about 6.5 million people. where are they going. and then once they're away from the city of houston, they're away from our assets and our ability to help them. and they're not looeflg teavingy and staying away. at some point in time they are coming back. and when they come back how do you handle that type of a traffic coming back into the city. and when you have many roads that are impassable as they are today, can you imagine the nightmare it would be with millions of people coming back
into the city where many of the communities are under water, streets are not passable. no. the decision that we made was a smart one, it was in the best interest of houstonians. it was the right decision in terms of their safety. and always we must put the interest of the city of houston and houstonians first. that's exactly what we did. absolutely no regrets. we did what was the right thing to do and we are acting according to the plan that we laid out. yes. [ inaudible question ].
>> last year, in april 2016 when we faced the flood, we had a number of people at the campbell center that went quite smoothly and we transitioned them from the shelter and put them into temporary housing and eventually into permanent housing. the reality is that because of the wide spread flooding that has taken place, the last day or so. there are a number of people that don't have a place to go. and many of the people, for example, that went to the george l. brown today, they came today in wet clothes. they don't have a place to go. the stress level for them is great. many people were in homes with water. okay. some of them were senior citizens. some of them have families. some of them have pets.
so this was -- this was part of the plan, to help provide stability and security in their lives, to put them in a better place, albeit temporarily as we transition them and get them back on their feet. and i think, i think in this city we know how to do it in such a way that is not chaotic. but it's respectful. it's dignified. you don't rob them further of what they have lost. but you recognize that at any point in time, when people are in crisis, you do your very best to provide them with some degree of normalcy. that's what's occurring here. and i want to thank all of the partners for being exceptional. these people are part of their family. and what happens when a family member is in need? we wrap our arms around our brothers and sisters and we give them the help that they need.
help put them back on their feet. [ inaudible question ]. >> absolutely. many of the 49 that we're talking about high water rescue vehicles are boats. we had a number that existed in our own inventory, fire has some already, police has some, public works had some, fbi in the area had assets. but the flooding that is taking place is unprecedented. historic. and was all over the city and all over the county, in fact all over the region. and it's not unlike what took place, they're saying 2016, when you may have had one or two areas that needed high water rescue vehicles.
in this particular instance high watt esh rescue vehicles have, needed all over the city and all over the county. and quite frankly we simply did not have enough assets within their existing inventory to meet those immediate demands. i am very thankful that we were able to obtain additional high water vehicles today, and boats today. and then just like mayor wash from boston indicated he's sending additional report as well as others that will be doing the same. [ inaudible question ]. >> look. we asked everybody, you know. if you got a high water vehicle or high water boat, look, we'll be very appreciative and we certainly will thank you. we want to get to those who are
in disstress. those who are on the roofs, those in the attics, in their homes, we want to get to them as quickly as possible. can you imagine the worst thing is to be out of your home on the roof, in the attic, in a house in water. i mean you want out of that situation as quickly as possible. so we want to get to people as quickly as possible. so in order to do that you can have the personnel but they also need to equipment. [ inaudible question ]. >> the goal is to stabilize their lives and to transition them out of the shelters as soon as possible. again, like last year we put them in shelters, for example, on, i want to say like a monday -- no, i think it was like on a friday, they went in
to the shelter on a friday and by that following week we were transitioning them out to either some other form of housing. you don't want to keep people in a shelter too long. many people have their families, they have their pets. so the goal is to provide them with the assistance that they need and to stabilize their situation and to transition them to a better, a better place in their lives as quickly as possible. [ inaudible question ]. >> we've been listening to the houston mayor addressing residents in houston as they face a catastrophic water event. it's now a tropical storm continuing to batter the area with a torrential amount of rain. they've received 24 inches in houston alone and meteorologists are forecasting at least double that before this event is over. he talked about some of the resources they have right now deployed to help make water rescues which have been going on
throughout the day. we know the galveston county alone they've made more than 1200 rescues. they have 22 aircraft, 39 boats and 93 high water rescue vehicles in houston continuing to work and they're urging people to need help to get in a place where rescuers can see them and find them and get to them as quickly as possible. i want to bring in now a tweet from the former president, barack obama who just sent out this message. thank you to all of the first responders and people helping each other out. that's what we do as americans. here's one way you can help now. and he retweeted a link to the american red cross. so many have lost to much already in this storm. for more information on how you can help the victims of harvey, just log on to cnn.com/impact. we'll be right back. knowing where you stand has never been easier.
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waters rise. we have paying churs from an permanent building in houston where the water is flooding the entire first floor right now. and louise walker is joining us, she took these pictures and is still at the apartment. how are you doing? >> caller: we're fine so far. we're out of the water that was in my apartment. we have managed to go upstairs to a neighbor's apartment. >> so what the is situation where you are now? >> caller: where i am now bottom level is waist deep in water. we have helicopters that are flying over us rescuing people. we have people that have -- who are living in these first floor apartments like i have, they have been breaking into empty second level apartments to have somewhere to go because we can't
get out -- we're completely surrounded by water. we can't get out of our apartment complex. no one can come in. we're just stuck here. >> that sounds quite scary. whap's goi what's going through your mind? >> caller: like when does it end. and another thing, it's going to keep pouring down rain until wednesday. what do we do until wednesday? how do we get out of here? and you know, the helicopter and any type of emergency assistance is not coming this way unless we are in immediate danger, like if we're stuck in our vehicle or if we have to climb to the roof. but other than that, then no one is coming. >> what is your plan at this point? >> caller: my only plan at this point is to stay out of the water. i've been keeping in contact with family and friends. but other than that, we can't do anything. it's just like we're literally
stuck here. >> you went up to your neighbor's house on the second floor. were you and that neighbor close before or did you just go up out of the moorj that it was and introduce yourself? walk me through how that happened. >> caller: fortunately for me i do speak with my neighbor and i called her and told her that the water was starting to come into the house and she invited us up there. but there are a lot of people that don't know their neighbors or interact with their neighbors and they're breaking into the empty second story apartments just to get to safety. >> oh my goodness. were you able to take any of your possessions with you when you went upstairs? >> caller: last night the water got to where it was just at the door but not come into the house and they gave me an opportunity then to pack some clothes. but just what i could fit in the
suitcase. just important paperwork. but things like the furniture and your equipment, things like that, you know, they don't, they don't come. you just grab what you can fit. >> i'm so sorry for what you're going through. i understand you recently moved to texas from louisiana and you lived through hurricane katrina. is this taking you back a little bit? >> we just moved here last august. moving from a 2016 flood in baton rouge. and here it is august 2017 and i'm in a whole different state and yet we experience this once again. >> unbelievable. you are so resilient. thank you so much for you time. best of luck to you. >> thank you. >> a massive search and reese cue operation is under way right now in rockport, texas and the surrounding county. we have some drone video to show
you some of the damage from hurricane harvey that took a direct hit in that area. about 400 people are now searching homes for any sign of life in a coastal community that took a devastating hit. to add insult to injury, rockport has also had tornado warnings, torrential downpours and flooding. martin savage is joining us now from rockport. i understand the water has receded from that area, martin, but what's left behind? >> reporter: what's left behind is a massive mess of devastation. we're just sort of walking along here as you look at one store front and you get a sense that this is going to be multiplied block after block and street after street. so the store fronts here completely caved in. the billing that makes up the entire strip mall is demolished. it's not going to be rebuilt. you'd have to start all over. store fronts, glass doors all
pushed in. the roof completely ripped off. all of this an indication of what a category 4 hurricane can and will do, especially with the incredibly strong winds. some say the winds got up to 130, maybe 140 miles an hour. we also got some pictures from in some of the residential areas. i don't know if you can show that. it is not just businesses that have been severely impacted here. it is also people's homes. and the amazing thing is, there again, street after treat and block after black the houses -- and these are brick and mortar houses have been pulverized. and then there are the apartment complexes. and after the apartment complexes you run into things like the hotels. so this is an entire town that has been just devastated by the result of this category 4 hurricane. so as they deal with the tremendous water that they're fighting with there in houston, here they've got a total different thing. there's no electricity, no water
that you can either drink for sewage. communications, cell phone, all of that is almost nonexistent. the infrastructure has been wiped out. and there's no place to go that you cannot see it. we struggled to give you the sense of scale to all of this. you just can't. it goes on and on and on and on. and they're trying to go through all of this debris to see if there are survivors or if there are any more fatalities but they're up against so much. this is such an ironic scene. you come into this bookstore and the books are all on the shelves here despite the mayhem and yet of course there's absolutely no roof left here of this place chb. >> wow. >> >> reporter: it's just one example. one more thing before we believe here, across the street. these are the first responders. they've been pouring in. you've got the state police here, the national guard that's here.
you've got the task one emergency search and rescue teams that are here. heavy earth moving equipment is in here to scleclear the street. you've got buses taking people away because essentially the mayor and everyone else has said this community is not livable at this point. so if you rode it out, you got to get out now because you can't exist without electricity and clean water. otherwise, if you are out of town, don't come back. we're weeks way way from electricity here. >> martin savage in rockport, texas. thank you. as we go to break real quick, i want to show you some pictures of a flooding rescue that just happened in houston. a helicopter at work in the flood zone. we're back in just a moment. it's ok that everybody ignores me when i drive. it's fine. because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i'm accident free. because i don't use my cellphone when i'm driving. even though my family does, and leaves me all alone. here's something else... i don't share it with mom. i don't. right, mom?
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and helps prevent cavities. go beyond brushing with act®. it wasn't just water that swept into this texas home. a man was able to catch a fish in the middle of what appears to be his living room. and by the time this storm is done, parts of texas could see up to 50 inches of rain. i want to go to our tom sader monitoring tropical storm harvey in the cnn weather center, you have called this a one in a thousand year flooding event. what are your models telling you? >> let's explain that. i'm sure many people are like how do you know that? what happened 1,000 years ago. a one in 400 year event, we've had this in the past couple of years. it does not mean that the next time we'll be in 1,000 years. it's a percentage of the chance on any given day or days that this amount of rain could fall.
we've never seen a system really recent american history that has been so challenging, but yet when you look to the computer models, so accurate. it is something something. in fact, even tracking storms around the world and typhoons, we've never seen one without a steering current that has just been me yandering for days. this is still a tropical storm. it's feeding off the rainfall it's dropped on land. when you look at the bands of rain in houston, there was another band getting ready to move through in about an hour half, two hours, already the rain and severe weather with a few tornado warnings coming out of lake charles, louisiana. they've issued 12 warnings. the houston office issued 132
tornado warnings and that watch is still in effect. these feeder bands continue to feed the storm. really what's next is pretty important. because it's still a tropical storm as it moves over the water on monday afternoon, it's like a refueling stop. it's going to start to feed on this warm water. secondary land fall, good agreement, they all bring in offshore. by thunderstorm morning, it's going to be close to where it made land fall. they slide to the north, and we concur coming back over galveston and houston. this will double the amount of rain that has already fallen in this area. can you imagine? some areas just to the south, 30 inches now. could we double that? if it stays on the eastern track, it could strengthen even more longer time in the water than move up into louisiana. this is still most likely in the state of texas come late thursday into friday.
now the ten inch plus extends north and east. that means for emergency services and getting aid, they have now have got to expand their coverage and their calls for help have been still coming in. the other day, ana, i was on with jake tapper and we were talking about images of katrina and we were talking about the fears of getting thousands of 911 calls. now they have received 56,000911 calls for assistance. really quickly for you, we've got a tropical storm developing off the coast of jacksonville, warnings, and watches getting ready to go into effect on the coast. it's name will be every ma. let's concentrate on this one. >> unbelievable. thank you so much. our coverage of tropical storm harvey continues in just a moment.
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mueller outlining their defenses of the president on obstruction of justice. the key element of their defense was that president trump did not know that his national security adviser michael flynn was being investigated by the fbi when the president talked to fbi director james comey about "letting flynn go." james comey quotes the president as having told him, "i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let it go." the trump defense team has said that it is impossible for that conversation to constitute obstruction of justice because the president did not know that the fbi was then investigating michael flynn. but murray waas's reporting that the white house memo that he read is a timeline prepared by white house counsel don mcgahn showing every step that occurred in the white house and exactly who knew what and when in what became the story of the firing of national security adviser michael flynn. murray waas reports the february
15th memo combined with accounts given to the special counsel by priebus and mcgahn constitute the most compelling evidence we yet know of that donald trump may have obstructed justice. the most compelling evidence that the president may have obstructed justice appears to come from his own most senior and loyal aides. the greatest threat to his presidency is not from his enemi enemies, real or perceived, but from his allies he within the white house. leave leading off our discussion tonight, john heilman. he's co-host and executive producer of showtime's "the circus." also with us, danny cevallos, nbc legal contributor. and barbara mcquaid, former federal prosecutor. professor of law at the university of michigan and msnbc legal contributor. and john heilman, here is the watergate echo. it turns out the people who can do the most damage to the president work in the white house.
the book, possibly because they didn't realize how's wild the whole place was going to become. >> i think this could be a very significant factual development. it has an echo of -- remember when there was that tweeted that president trump put out that said i had to fire mike flynn because he lied to the fbi and then his lawyer, i think it was john dowd, came back very quickly and said no, no, i put out that tweet and i got it wrong. it does ring true that this is a fact they have known for a long time is a troubling fact because when you try to have to establish obstruction of justice you have to show that the person acted with a corrupt intent. and if president trump knew and learned even just before he asked jim comey to stand down on the flynn investigation i think there could be some powerful evidence of the corrupt intent that's necessary. >> according to murray waa 16789's reporting this is very clear. people familiar with the matter have told me that both priebus and mcgahn have confirmed in separate interviews with the special counsel that they had
told trump that flynn was under investigation by the fbi before he met with comey. 24 dismantd lz the key element in the trump lawyers' letter to the prosecutor about why donald trump con have committed obstruction of justice in the flynn matter sxwlp but the trump team's theory from the beginning did not make a lot of sense. their position is trump knew there was no longer an investigation, and then he walks into a meeting and says hey, by the way, i hope you can see fit to let go, parentheses, an investigation that's not going on. that doesn't make any sense. but that's the trump team's position. in a way this bombshell is something that lakes a lot more sense than the trump team's original theory, which is trump believes there's no investigation, trump goes into meeting with comey and asks comey to let go of an investigation that as far as trump is aware does not exist. >> and so john, this reporting
if true, is yet another really clear block on the issue of is donald trump ever going to sit down for an interview with the special prosecutor. you and i are have been saying all along he's never going do it. but this is the kind of thing that shows you why it's been impossible, because the trump team has known for over a year that priebus and mcgahn say and have told the special prosecutor that they told donald trump that the fbi investigation was ongoing. and so how does donald trump handle that? in any kind of interchange with the special prosecutor. >> because just like the word collusion and the word conspiracy are not in robert mueller's remit and obstruction of justice is not in it neither is the word perjury. perjury's a big problem for donald trump not only because he's a liar but because he's already told so many lies that so many people on the inside know are lies, the lawyers that
we're with here tonight are lawyers and i'm going to not play a lawyer on tv leek i sometimes try to and just say a couple things about a couple of the humans we're talking about here. guys like reince priebus and don mcgahn, if this timeline exists, if murray waas's reporting is right and they were brought in to talk about mueller, they testified to it. because neither one of those guys is going to perjure themselves for donald trump. another guy we've got to always remember, there are a lot of problems with him as a political actor, but steve bannon who very quickly identified to michael wolfe and other people and the obstruction of justice thing was going to be the thing that would hang trump because of the fact firing comey is the worst political decision you've ever made because he knew, not necessarily directly, not necessarily because he was involved in putting together these timelines but because he was everywhere in that white house and he knew what the truth of these stories were, it's why he always grasped the obstruction of justice thing was such a difficult problem for trump and why some of the things we're hearing michael cohen has been saying are also things steve bannon even if he wasn't
in the room he knew about enough from being around. you want to know where trump's problems are go back and read all the stuff steve bannon has said in the past. this obstruction thing is one of the key ones. >> barbara mcquaid, what is donald trump's best defense at this point at this stage of the evidence as we know it. >> well, i think he would have to -- i don't know that he's going to be able to refute jim comey's testimony about what it was he said. but if he can show it was for some other purpose other than to cover up his own misconduct or the misconduct of people in his campaign, that might be the best. if he can show there was not a corrupt motive. yes, he knew that michael flynn was under investigation but he believed it was a waste of taxpayer funds, that he believed it would be fruitless to try to go after this kind of a case. if he can show that there was some other motive other than corrupt intent, that might be the best. but you know, at some point i think there's going to be a reckoning with robert mueller. either he sits down for an interview or robert mueller has the ability to use a grand jury subpoena to get the information
out of him. at some point i think he's going to face that reckoning. >> let's listen to what senator richard blumenthal said today about the obstruction of justice case. >> there is credible evidence that the president of the united states has committed obstruction of justice and possibly a conspiracy to undermine our elections. that's simply the facts and the law, and giuliani is trying to confuse and distract, playing word games and semantics. but at the end of the day the special counsel is going to proceed methodically and meticulously in making the case. >> and "vanity fair's" reporting tonight that don mcgahn, this is a line from the report, "don mcgahn hates rudy win tenacity of a thousand burning suns." and danny, that's related to the word games that rudy giuliani has been playing on television, and it's -- just to real legal
practitioners that sounds like a reasonable reaction to what we've seen rudy giuliani doing. if you're on the trump side of the case and you're watching rudy giuliani on tv, there can't being in you like about it. >> he's violating a lot of the basic rules of defense attorney 101. don't ever criticize prosecutors. you can criticize the case, hey, we're going to move to suppress this evidence, it was a bad warrant, but never tell the prosecutors on the news that they need to wrap things up, that their investigation is corrupt. that isn't going to go a long way. and prosecutors will stay an extra five hours in the office just to stick it to your client if you do that. and the other thing that rudy is falling victim to is taking everything his client is telling him in his initial meetings and going out into the world with it as gospel. every attorney has been burned by a client when they don't double-check whatever the client or the client's family tells them about the way things are. and that's because clients, they
can't help it. they have self-interest. they don't want to commit suicide. they want to tell their attorney the best set of facts they can think of. and rudy has already gone out to the world with facts that are not really developed or that are eventually refuted. that's the kind of thing -- rudy giuliani may be ahead of all of us in this game but so far if you look at some of the basic rules of defense attorney 101 he's -- it's been a bit of a stumble. >> he's really sloppy, right? lawyers don't like sloppy. >> you can't be sloppy when you're representing those facts, especially because he's probably being told those by team trump. and if you don't verify those on your own, they will come back to bite you. not just at trial but in the news. >> barbara, the shift from there was no collusion to hey, collusion's not a crime, what's your reading of that? >> well, it seems leek a very deliberate effort, doesn't it? this isn't just one person saying it. we've got everybody echoing and
singing off the same sheet of music. it seems like they sat down and had a meeting this weekend and said oh, my gosh, we need to change our strategy. and it suggests to me there is evidence of collusion that's going to come out and they need to figure out a way around that and say okay, there is collusion but so what, because collusion isn't a crime. so i don't know if it is concerns about what we're learning about the meeting at trump tower with russians, if there was in fact perhaps some kind of premeet hag puts president trump knowing about the meeting, maybe that's what they're concerned is going to be 4r5ib8d as collusion so, to instead pivot and say even if there was it's not a crime. it does seem like a very deliberate strategy, and it does seem that they're worried that there is evidence of collusion that is going to come out into the public. >> before the break we're going to go to nan second, john, i just want to squeeze in a political angle here. that same "vanity fair" report that says don mcgahn hates rudy with the intensity of a thousand burning suns, gets poetic there sometimes, there is this about
john kelly in the same "vanity fair" report. "yesterday trump marked his first year as chief with a tweet congratulations to general john kelly today we celebrate his first full year as chief of staff. trump wrote, afterward according to two sources familiar with the matter trump turned to aides and said now can i get rid of him?" >> apparently the answer is no because it looks like we're going to have john kelly all the way through to the end of the election. >> but in the trump -- >> doesn't mean that trump doesn't still want to get rid of him. >> trump administration you're my chief of staff for the rest of the term means you're my chief of staff tomorrow. or at least tomorrow morning. >> six of one, half dozen of the other. it's clear trump both doesn't like kelly but also thinks he's now completely neutered him and does whaefr wants. that is, trump does whatever he wants. so the offer of asking him to stay till the election, a, means nothing because he can be fired tomorrow but also even if he stays until the election, to what effect, it's not as if kelly is exercising any kind of
vaunted discipline and control we ever thought that kelly was going to exercise over trump. >> we have to get to our first break here. barbara mcquade, danny cevallos, john heilman, thank you for starting us off tonight. coming up in an extraordinary moment in the senate today not a single member of the trump administration today said a single word in defense of the president's zero tolerance policy on the southern border. the policy that has still left over 600 children in federal custody separated from their parents. when george takei was 5 years old, he was seized by the federal government and held in federal custody. he will join us later in the hour with his feelings about what children in federal custody are now experiencing. and it was day one in the manafort trial today. $21,000 watches, $15,000 jackets, and $60 million in hidden income from ukraine all in one day. lligence,
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has uncovered a new campaign to provoke emotional, political antagonism in the united states. the vice chair of the senate intelligence committee, senator mark warner, believes he recognizes the pattern that facebook has uncovered. >> many of them modeling some of the techniques that were used by the russians in the past. i can say with pretty high confidence i think this is russian-related. >> facebook said today that it "removed 32 pages and accounts from facebook and instagram" because they were involved in coordinated inauthentic behavior. the fake pages sxkts attracted more than 290,000 followers, posted more than 9,500 times and ran about 150 ads in 2017 and 2018. "the new york times" reported that "coordinated activity was also detected around abolish i.c.e., a left-wing campaign on social media that seeks to end
the immigration and customs enforcement agency. according to two people briefed on the findings. two days after the president stood with vladimir putin, donald trump specifically said no to the question is russia still targeting the u.s. >> is russia still targeting the u.s., mr. president? >> thank you very much. >> make your way out. >> you don't believe that to be the case? >> today the trump homeland security -- the trump secretary of homeland security disagreed and said this about the russian attacks on the 2016 election. >> let me be clear. our intelligence community has it right. it was the russians. we know that. they know that. it was directed from the highest levels. and we cannot and will not allow that to happen again. >> joining us now, ned price, former senior director and spokesperson for the national security council in the obama administration and a former cia analyst p. he's an msnbc national security
contributor. and back with us john heilman. ned price, it's on days like this that we go back to donald trump standing beside vladimir putin and just imagining vladimir putin's joy when donald trump basically said i believe vladimir putin. >> well, right. and the russians have given us their answer ever since. their answer as to whether they continue to attack our democracy. remember, maria butina was wrapped up within hours of that press conference. we have facebook today coming out with this announcement about 32 pages followed by some 290,000 facebook users. we have the microsoft executive last week revealing that three midterm candidates had been targeted by the russians. we have every single principal within the trump administration saying usually unequivocally though not quite unequivocally that the russians are continuing to attack our democracy. the lone man standing is donald trump. and actually, i should amend that because there are two men standing who have an opposing
view. both donald trump and vladimir putin. they're the only ones now on this island, lawrence, this island that's becoming increasingly isolated as these data points of russia's assault continue to mount. >> let's just look at it one more time. donald trump standing beside vladimir putin and comparing the information he gets from his intelligence services to what vladimir putin just told him. >> my people came to me, dan coats came to me and some others. they said they think it's russia. i have president putin. he just said it's not russia. i will say this. i don't see any reason why it would be. >> now, the right shot there would have been the putin reaction shot. >> oh, yeah. >> when donald trump is saying -- >> the smirk. >> i don't see any reason why it would be. >> the smirk. yeah. i mean, look, to ned's point, we've got to just focus on a couple things. what happened in 2016, what russia did. forget about collusion, coordination, conspiracy.
just what did russia do? they launched this information war across social media that was a propaganda, psychological warfare, and they hacked a bunch of systems. we now as we head to these mid-terms, we now know they're hacking systems again, they're hacking claire mccaskill's system, they're trying to get in. and we think we don't know exactly it's russia on the facebook platform although it looks like russia. almost certainly is. there's going to be more of that. it's going to happen on twitter, instagram, a bunch of social platforms. any serious country with a serious president who was not in some way compromised would have within the first month of the administration said we need a manhattan project to harden up our election and infrastructure. on the social media side we need to get serious with silicon valley. on the intellectual side we need to make sure state by state these voting systems can't get hacked, we have to go around to the capitol hill congress the kchb candidates and challengers and
make sure they're protecting their software, their hardware from being infiltrated. we've seen none of that in the last 18 months. donald trump's done a lot of bad stuff, but in terms of a basic ab negation of the office of the presidency under the circumstances of what happened in 2016 this is about the biggest one and we're still sitting here less than six months away from the mid-terms and we don't have anything like that kind of a conversation happening between government and private industry. we need it real bad and we need it fast. >> and ned, it certainly fits with what we know about donald trump's personality and character that he would want the continued help of anyone who wants to help with his election and with his campaigns and with republican campaigns, including the russians. >> well, that's exactly right. and i think when we look at the lack of action on the part of this administration there are only a few plausible explanations. and to my mind that is the most plausible. look, it was 18 months into this administration, it was last friday when the trump administration had its first nsc
meeting, its first meeting on election security chaired by donald trump. and the irony of this, lawrence, is that meeting took place two years to the day, precisely two years to the day that donald trump in july of 2016 called on russia to find hillary clinton's so-called missing e-mails. and what we learned from the mueller indictment just a couple weeks ago to the day that russia actually started to try to hack into hillary clinton's personal e-mail. so i think we have to marry those two facts to understand why we have a president who would not want to prioritize election security. because election security or lack thereof, the deficiencies of the system in 2016, worked to his tremendous advantage. and even beyond working to his advantage, he actually leveraged those insecurities, the deficiencies in our system, to help him, to your point. so of course he wouldn't want to patch these up. he knows the advantages that rest in this for him. >> ned price and john heilman,
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statements by the prosecution and the defense. in a massive tax fraud case involving over $16 million in income paul manafort made from his work in ukraine the evidence can and will at some points become a dense swamp of complex international banking records, bookkeeping qulernlgz, and accounting procedures. and so in cases like this prosecutors like to grab the jury's attention with items like the $21,000 watch that paul manafort bought with the cash he was pulling in from ukraine and the mercedes convertible and the $15,000 ostrich jacket. when the defense turned over their cards today, they insisted that paul manafort was innocently taken advantage of by his aide, rick gates, who they accused of masterminding the embezzlement of much of the money manafort earned in ukraine. rick gates has already pleaded to conspiracy and lying to the fbi. the manafort defense team said today that rick gates is a proven liar and that the only
crimes that were committed were committed by rick gates. so this case will largely come down to who do you believe, rick gates or paul manafort? we know rec gates is going to testify for the prosecution in this case. but we don't know yet if paul manafort will testify in his own defense. if he does, he will have to do much better than this. >> so to be clear, mr. trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs? >> that's what when he said, that's -- that's -- that's obviously what the proposition is. >> joining our discussion now, ken dilanian, intelligence and national security reporter for nbc news. he was inside the courtroom today. ken, we just saw there on that video what we know of paul manafort publicly is if we had to place our bets he would be a terrible witness under these circumstances in this courtroom.
so one of the biggest choices the defense team has to make is can we put paul manafort on the stand in his own defense. do we know what they're thinking about that? >> we don't, lawrence. but i think you're absolutely right. and i would be stunned if paul manafort took the stand in this case. particularly because of the mountain of evidence, paper, document evidence that the government has against him. you said it could come down to sort of a contest of who do you believe, paul manafort or rick gates. but the government does not see it that way. he made a point of saying today this case doesn't rest on any one witness. this is a case where we have two dozen witnesses, many of whom don't know one another, some of whom worked for manafort, some didn't, and we have more than 100 documents that we're going to show you and some of those were introduced into evidence today. and the prosecution really painted an astonishing portrait of greed and deceit, lawrence. you went through some of it. but there are really two parts to this fraud that they're
alleging. manafort was working for this ukrainian politician backed by russia, and he was paid a fortune. some $60 million over many years. but it wasn't enough according to the prosecution. he had to get paid in a way that allowed him to evade u.s. taxes. so they paid him through offshore accounts. and they disguised it as loans instead of income. and he filled out according to the government false tax returns. that's part one. but then in 2014 his client, viktor yanukovych, was sent packing by the ukrainian people and he was sent into exile in russia 1k39 and the spigot of cash turned off. sought prosecution says then paul manfred turned to defrauding banks because what he had at that point was he had a lot of valuable real estate in new york and in the hamptons and elsewhere. but he needed cash to find his lavish lifestyle, that ostrich jacket you mentioned and that $21,000 watch. and so prosecutors say he committed a series of bank frauds. he overstated his income, he ordered fake profit and loss statements from his business, and this conduct, lawrence, they
say continued up to the time he was the chairman of the trump campaign. so what i think is an important thing that will come out of this trial, although it won't be mentioned in this fashion, is that paul manafort became donald trump's campaign chairman at a time when he was broke, scrambling for cash, in debt to at least one russian oligarch and working for free. so to a lot of people that makes him a very ripe target for recruitment by russian intelligence if he wasn't already in the thrall of russian intelligence. >> i just want to give the audience -- and you've heard a lot of this, ken, in the courtroom today, but a sample from the rush transcript of what the prosecution had to say and how they're stressing that this won't just come down to what rick gates says. they say now, to be clear, paul manafort was an active participant in the tax and fraud schemes. was he too busy to pay attention to the details? the evidence will show quite the opposite. paul manafort constantly issued orders, and he received reports back. nor was he duped. many of the witnesses will testify that they dealt directly
with paul manafort. and where manafort did use an intermediary you will see and you will hear how he directed their activities after all the evidence will show that paul manafort was the primary beneficiary of these frauds. he got the bank loans. he got the money. he got to use the untaxed income as the old adage goes, just follow the money. and so ken, the prosecutors seem to believe that's the case they're going to be able to present, just follow the money, and rick gates might or might not be someone you have to believe for a conviction. >> yes. and i was wondering why the prosecutor was stressing that point in his opening statement. and then i heard the defense opening and i understood, because the defense case seems to boil down to paul manafort was too busy to be paying attention to these details like filing a correct tax return and failing to not defraud his profit and loss statements. and essentially rick gates,
they're saying, his right-hand man, who's also sort of a well-known political consultant, was back home minding the store while paul manafort was doing his great work in ukraine and it's his fault that this bad stuff happened. the problem with that defense, i mean, they're going to take their shot and we'll see what happens, but there are so many documents that show manafort ordering things to be done that appear to be illegal, lawrence. >> nbc's ken dilanian. thank you, ken, for giving us that feel of having one of those very precious seats in the courtroom today. we appreciate it. >> thanks a lot, lawrence. >> coming up, how does it feel to be seized by the federal government and held in federal custody when you're 5 years old? george takei knows. it happened to him. george takei will be our next guest.
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need your picture. >> the man who bases his immigration policy on his ignorance about how to buy groceries has 600 children if his custody tonight. 600 children who remain tonight separated from their families after donald trump ordered his zero tolerance policy on the southern border, a policy which he has since abandoned and judging by the president's public comments he has completely forgotten what he did and is doing to those children on the southern border. and that over 600 of them are still in donald trump's custody. donald trump spoke for 62 minutes tonight in florida, and he did not say one word about those 600 children who are still separated from their families. and he had plenty of time to do it. it wasn't exactly a dense policy speech about his latest attempt to give a huge new tax break to the rich. on a night in the middle of the summer, his mind actually
wandered off to christmas. >> remember, i said it's awfully early to be thinking this, but i always think it, remember the attack on merry christmas? they're not attacking it anymore. everyone's happy to say merry christmas. right? merry christmas. merry christmas. that was under siege. you'd have these big department stores -- >> but i always think it. donald trump is always thinking about christmas. he's always thinking about saying merry christmas. and he's never thinking about the spirit of christmas. just the department stores. he's never thinking about that infant baby, a wanderer with his mother and father, who found a place to rest in that manger in bethlehem. donald trump's never thinking about him when he thinks about christmas. and he never thinks about the children and the families whose lives he has harmed so deeply. he's never given a thought to what those babies and toddlers
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understand what was going on. i remember that morning when my parents got me up very early together with my brother a year younger and our baby sister, still an infant. they dressed us hurriedly, and my brother and i were told to wait in the living room while my parents did some last-minute packing back in the bedroom. and so the two of us were just gazing out the front window when suddenly we saw two soldiers marching up our driveway. they carried rifles with shiny bayonets on them. they stomped up the porch and began pounding on the door with their fists. it was a terrifying sound. my father came rushing out, and he answered the door, and literally at gunpoint, we were ordered out of our home. my father gave my brother and me small packages to carry, and we stepped out and stood on the
driveway, waiting for my mother to come out. and when she came out, she had our baby sister in one arm, a huge duffel bag in the other, and tears were streaming down her cheeks. i will never be able to forget that scary, horrible morning. >> when you woke up in the first camp that you were in, i believe you were in two, first in arkansas and then in california. how long -- did you have any sense of how long this was going to become your life? >> well, we were first taken to the horse tables of santa anita racetrack. and from a two bedroom home to a smelly -- it was still pungent with the smell of horseman ne m in a small narrow horse stall, all five of us squeezed in there with cots covering the whole space that was there. and my parents said that we were
going to be here for a while, and this is where the horsies used to sleep. and to 5-year-old me, i thought it was fun to sleep where the horsies sleep. but for my parents, it was a degrading, humiliating painful experience. and i had many conversations with my father after when i was a teenager, and he told me that his -- that was one of the most painful experiences of the whole internment. >> if you could have a minute with donald trump, what would you tell him about what you believe is happening to these children who have been now orphaned at the southern border? >> he has reached a new historic low with this notion of tearing children away from their parents and then putting them -- incarcerating them in cages, and then scattering them all over.
i mean, it's such pathetic incompetence. now that they're required to reunite the families, and with their parents, they can't find the children. they can't match up the children with the parents. some parents have been deported already to guatemala or honduras or el salvador. and it's the most incompetent administration and a new low in cruelty and inhumanity. it is really -- it makes americans ashamed. >> what do you make of the fact that since the policy was reversed and donald trump said a few words about basically ending that policy that he hasn't said a word about these children since? and he can go to florida tonight, talk for 62 minutes. he's got over 600 children still in his custody. they are in donald trump's custody, and they are lost from their parents. and he does not say one word about them.
>> he doesn't care. he's got a new outrage two or three times a day, and he's gone from one to the other. so he's preoccupied with that. and they're out of his mind already. jeff sessions tried to justify that by reading the bible when he announced the zero tolerance policy. this is really an upside down administration, just filled with cruelty and inhumanity. it makes americans ashamed. >> george takei, thank you very much for joining us tonight and sharing your family's extraordinary experience with us tonight. really appreciate it. we'll be right back. your morns were made for better things than psoriatic arthritis. as you and your rheumatologist consider treatments, ask if xeljanz xr is right for you. xeljanz xr is a once-daily pill
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and we already know that robert mueller has found links and coordination between the russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of donald trump. the meeting with russians at trump tower during the campaign shows there are links between the russian government and the campaign. we already know that when the russian government offered to coordinate with donald trump jr. to provide dirt on hillary clinton donald trump jr. said "i love it." now, we have no idea what other links and coordination robert mueller has found between the russian government and the trump campaign. and we don't know whether any of those links and coordination constitute criminal conduct by anyone named trump. we've watched donald trump on the campaign stage publicly try to link with the russian government and coordinate with the russian government on hillary clinton's e-mails. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.
>> robert mueller will have to decide whether that constitutes a criminal conspiracy to illegally coordinate with the russian government to the benefit of the trump campaign or whether it's a component of that in some way. the most dangerous part of robert mueller's authority for the president and everyone near the president is the second part of robert mueller's authority, which is to investigate "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." which brings us to obstruction of justice. those words do not appear in the authorization of the robert mueller investigation. but that second component of the authority, which is anything that arises in the investigation, includes anything, including obstruction of justice. the part of the mueller investigation that rudy giuliani
publicly fears the most is obviously the obstruction of justice part. we have new reporting on that today from mari woss in the new york review of books. he says he has been allowed to read a confidential white house memo which is in the special prosecutor's possession which "explicitly states that when trump pressured comey he had just been told by two of his top aides his then chief of staff reince priebus and his white house counsel don mcgahn, that michael flynn was under criminal investigation." last year the trump defense team delivered a letter to robert mueller outlining their defenses of the president on obstruction of justice. the key element of their defense was that president trump did not know that his national security adviser michael flynn was being investigated by the fbi when the president talked to fbi director james comey about "letting flynn go." james comey quotes the president as having told him, "i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let it go."
the trump defense team has said that it is impossible for that conversation to constitute obstruction of justice because the president did not know that the fbi was then investigating michael flynn. but murray waas's reporting that the white house memo that he read is a timeline prepared by white house counsel don mcgahn showing every step that occurred in the white house and exactly who knew what and when in what became the story of the firing of national security adviser michael flynn. murray waas reports the february 15th memo combined with accounts given to the special counsel by priebus and mcgahn constitute the most compelling evidence we yet know of that donald trump may have obstructed justice. the most compelling evidence that the president may have obstructed justice appears to come from his own most senior and loyal aides. the greatest threat to his presidency is not from his enemies, real or perceived, but
from his allies he within the white house. leave leading off our discussion tonight, john heilman. he's co-host and executive producer of showtime's "the circus." also with us, danny cevallos, nbc legal contributor. and barbara mcquaid, former federal prosecutor. professor of law at the university of michigan and msnbc legal contributor. and john heilman, here is the watergate echo. it turns out the people who can do the most damage to the president work in the white house. that was absolutely true in watergate. it was not the democrats whose office got broken into who took down president nixon. >> it's always the case, right? and it's the case because they are the closest. they are the ones who are writing things down. even the ones in this chaotic white house, a white house that breaks so many norms. there are a bunch of teem like don mcgahn and others like reince priebus who thought we're supposed to be doing th the way
other people did it. we don't really know what that is. but things like timelines and things like paying attention to some basic rules of procedure -- the way in which you're supposed to do stuff in the white house governed their thinking enough that it could be the thing that ends up undoing the president on this front. >> and barbara mcquaid, it seems to have guite guided their drinking at the beginning of the presidency. this michael flynn story is at the beginning of the presidency and it might actually be the period in the trump presidency where people like don mcgahn were operating most closely by the book, possibly because they didn't realize how's wild the whole place was going to become. >> i think this could be a very significant factual development. it has an echo of -- remember when there was that tweeted that president trump put out that said i had to fire mike flynn because he lied to the fbi and then his lawyer, i think it was john dowd, came back very quickly and said no, no, i put out that tweet and i got it wrong. it does ring true that this is a
fact they have known for a long time is a troubling fact because when you try to have to establish obstruction of justice you have to show that the person acted with a corrupt intent. and if president trump knew and learned even just before he asked jim comey to stand down on the flynn investigation i think there could be some powerful evidence of the corrupt intent that's necessary. >> according to murray waa 16789's reporting this is very clear. people familiar with the matter have told me that both priebus and mcgahn have confirmed in separate interviews with the special counsel that they had told trump that flynn was under investigation by the fbi before he met with comey. 24 dismantd lz the key element in the trump lawyers' letter to the prosecutor about why donald trump con have committed obstruction of justice in the flynn matter sxwlp but the trump team's theory from the beginning did not make a lot of sense. their position is trump knew there was no longer an investigation, and then he walks into a meeting and says hey, by the way, i hope you can see fit to let go, parentheses, an investigation that's not going
on. that doesn't make any sense. but that's the trump team's position. in a way this bombshell is something that lakes a lot more sense than the trump team's original theory, which is trump believes there's no investigation, trump goes into meeting with comey and asks comey to let go of an investigation that as far as trump is aware does not exist. >> and so john, this reporting if true, is yet another really clear block on the issue of is donald trump ever going to sit down for an interview with the special prosecutor. you and i are have been saying all along he's never going do it. but this is the kind of thing that shows you why it's been impossible, because the trump team has known for over a year that priebus and mcgahn say and have told the special prosecutor that they told donald trump that the fbi investigation was
ongoing. and so how does donald trump handle that? in any kind of interchange with the special prosecutor. >> because just like the word collusion and the word conspiracy are not in robert mueller's remit and obstruction of justice is not in it neither is the word perjury. perjury's a big problem for donald trump not only because he's a liar but because he's already told so many lies that so many people on the inside know are lies, the lawyers that we're with here tonight are lawyers and i'm going to not play a lawyer on tv leek i sometimes try to and just say a couple things about a couple of the humans we're talking about here. guys like reince priebus and don mcgahn, if this timeline exists, if murray waas's reporting is right and they were brought in to talk about mueller, they testified to it. because neither one of those guys is going to perjure themselves for donald trump. another guy we've got to always remember, there are a lot of
problems with him as a political actor, but steve bannon who very quickly identified to michael wolfe and other people and the obstruction of justice thing was going to be the thing that would hang trump because of the fact firing comey is the worst political decision you've ever made because he knew, not necessarily directly, not necessarily because he was involved in putting together these timelines but because he was everywhere in that white house and he knew what the truth of these stories were, it's why he always grasped the obstruction of justice thing was such a difficult problem for trump and why some of the things we're hearing michael cohen has been saying are also things steve bannon even if he wasn't in the room he knew about enough from being around. you want to know where trump's problems are go back and read all the stuff steve bannon has said in the past. this obstruction thing is one of the key ones. >> barbara mcquaid, what is donald trump's best defense at this point at this stage of the evidence as we know it. >> well, i think he would have to -- i don't know that he's going to be able to refute jim comey's testimony about what it was he said. but if he can show it was for
some other purpose other than to cover up his own misconduct or the misconduct of people in his campaign, that might be the best. if he can show there was not a corrupt motive. yes, he knew that michael flynn was under investigation but he believed it was a waste of taxpayer funds, that he believed it would be fruitless to try to go after this kind of a case. if he can show that there was some other motive other than corrupt intent, that might be the best. but you know, at some point i think there's going to be a reckoning with robert mueller. either he sits down for an interview or robert mueller has the ability to use a grand jury subpoena to get the information out of him. at some point i think he's going to face that reckoning. >> let's listen to what senator richard blumenthal said today about the obstruction of justice case. >> there is credible evidence that the president of the united states has committed obstruction of justice and possibly a conspiracy to undermine our elections. that's simply the facts and the law, and giuliani is trying to
that their investigation is corrupt. that isn't going to go a long way. and prosecutors will stay an extra five hours in the office just to stick it to your client if you do that. and the other thing that rudy is falling victim to is taking everything his client is telling him in his initial meetings and going out into the world with it as gospel. every attorney has been burned by a client when they don't double-check whatever the client or the client's family tells them about the way things are. and that's because clients, they can't help it. they have self-interest. they don't want to commit suicide. they want to tell their attorney the best set of facts they can think of. and rudy has already gone out to the world with facts that are not really developed or that are eventually refuted. that's the kind of thing -- rudy giuliani may be ahead of all of us in this game but so far if you look at some of the basic rules of defense attorney 101 he's -- it's been a bit of a stumble. >> he's really sloppy, right?
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two weeks ago when president trump stood beside vladimir pult xin said he couldn't see any reason why it would be russia who attacked our democracy in 2016, russia was still attacking our democracy right at the moment that president trump was speaking, as we have now more confirmation from facebook today. with 98 days until the election facebook announced today that it has uncovered a new campaign to provoke emotional, political antagonism in the united states. the vice chair of the senate intelligence committee, senator mark warner, believes he recognizes the pattern that facebook has uncovered. >> many of them modeling some of the techniques that were used by the russians in the past. i can say with pretty high confidence i think this is russian-related. >> facebook said today that it >> facebook said today that it
"removed 32 pages and accounts from facebook and instagram" because they were involved in coordinated inauthentic behavior. the fake pages sxkts attracted more than 290,000 followers, posted more than 9,500 times and ran about 150 ads in 2017 and 2018. "the new york times" reported that "coordinated activity was also detected around abolish i.c.e., a left-wing campaign on social media that seeks to end the immigration and customs enforcement agency. according to two people briefed on the findings. two days after the president stood with vladimir putin, donald trump specifically said no to the question is russia still targeting the u.s. >> is russia still targeting the u.s., mr. president? >> thank you very much. >> make your way out. >> you don't believe that to be the case? >> today the trump homeland security -- the trump secretary
of homeland security disagreed and said this about the russian attacks on the 2016 election. >> let me be clear. our intelligence community has it right. it was the russians. we know that. they know that. it was directed from the highest levels. and we cannot and will not allow that to happen again. >> joining us now, ned price, former senior director and spokesperson for the national security council in the obama administration and a former cia analyst p. he's an msnbc national security contributor. and back with us john heilman. ned price, it's on days like this that we go back to donald trump standing beside vladimir putin and just imagining vladimir putin's joy when donald trump basically said i believe vladimir putin. >> well, right. and the russians have given us their answer ever since. their answer as to whether they continue to attack our democracy. remember, maria butina was wrapped up within hours of that press conference. we have facebook today coming
out with this announcement about 32 pages followed by some 290,000 facebook users. we have the microsoft executive last week revealing that three midterm candidates had been targeted by the russians. we have every single principal within the trump administration saying usually unequivocally though not quite unequivocally that the russians are continuing to attack our democracy. the lone man standing is donald trump. and actually, i should amend that because there are two men standing who have an opposing view. both donald trump and vladimir putin. they're the only ones now on this island, lawrence, this island that's becoming increasingly isolated as these data points of russia's assault continue to mount. >> let's just look at it one more time. donald trump standing beside vladimir putin and comparing the information he gets from his intelligence services to what vladimir putin just told him. >> my people came to me, dan
coats came to me and some others. they said they think it's russia. i have president putin. he just said it's not russia. i will say this. i don't see any reason why it would be. >> now, the right shot there would have been the putin reaction shot. >> oh, yeah. >> when donald trump is saying -- >> the smirk. >> i don't see any reason why it would be. >> the smirk. yeah. i mean, look, to ned's point, we've got to just focus on a couple things. what happened in 2016, what russia did. forget about collusion, coordination, conspiracy. just what did russia do? they launched this information war across social media that was a propaganda, psychological warfare, and they hacked a bunch of systems. we now as we head to these mid-terms, we now know they're hacking systems again, they're hacking claire mccaskill's system, they're trying to get in. and we think we don't know exactly it's russia on the facebook platform although it looks like russia. almost certainly is. there's going to be more of that. it's going to happen on twitter, instagram, a bunch of social
platforms. any serious country with a serious president who was not in some way compromised would have within the first month of the administration said we need a manhattan project to harden up our election and infrastructure. on the social media side we need to get serious with silicon valley. on the intellectual side we need to make sure state by state these voting systems can't get hacked, we have to go around to the capitol hill congress the candidates and challengers and make sure they're protecting their software, their hardware from being infiltrated. we've seen none of that in the last 18 months. donald trump's done a lot of bad stuff, but in terms of a basic ab negation of the office of the presidency under the circumstances of what happened in 2016 this is about the biggest one and we're still sitting here less than six months away from the mid-terms and we don't have anything like that kind of a conversation happening between government and private industry. we need it real bad and we need it fast.
>> and ned, it certainly fits with what we know about donald trump's personality and character that he would want the continued help of anyone who wants to help with his election and with his campaigns and with republican campaigns, including the russians. >> well, that's exactly right. and i think when we look at the lack of action on the part of this administration there are only a few plausible explanations. and to my mind that is the most plausible. look, it was 18 months into this administration, it was last friday when the trump administration had its first nsc meeting, its first meeting on election security chaired by donald trump. and the irony of this, lawrence, is that meeting took place two years to the day, precisely two years to the day that donald trump in july of 2016 called on russia to find hillary clinton's so-called missing e-mails. and what we learned from the mueller indictment just a couple weeks ago to the day that russia
actually started to try to hack into hillary clinton's personal e-mail. so i think we have to marry those two facts to understand why we have a president who would not want to prioritize election security. because election security or lack thereof, the deficiencies of the system in 2016, worked to his tremendous advantage. and even beyond working to his advantage, he actually leveraged those insecurities, the deficiencies in our system, to help him, to your point. so of course he wouldn't want to patch these up. he knows the advantages that rest in this for him. >> ned price and john heilman, thank you both for joining our discussion tonight. appreciate it. coming up, what happened in court on day one of the united states of america versus paul manafort. when my hot water heater failed, she was pregnant, in-laws were coming, a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world. i had no idea the amount of damage that water could do. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you?
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today was the day that special prosecutor robert mueller finally started turning over his cards in the paul manafort case. this morning in federal court in alexandria, virginia a jury of six men and six women was quickly impaneled in the case of the united states of america versus paul manafort. and the trial began with opening statements by the prosecution and the defense. in a massive tax fraud case involving over $16 million in income paul manafort made from his work in ukraine the evidence can and will at some points become a dense swamp of complex international banking records, bookkeeping qulernlgz, and accounting procedures. and so in cases like this prosecutors like to grab the jury's attention with items like the $21,000 watch that paul manafort bought with the cash he
was pulling in from ukraine and the mercedes convertible and the $15,000 ostrich jacket. when the defense turned over their cards today, they insisted that paul manafort was innocently taken advantage of by his aide, rick gates, who they accused of masterminding the embezzlement of much of the money manafort earned in ukraine. rick gates has already pleaded to conspiracy and lying to the fbi. the manafort defense team said today that rick gates is a proven liar and that the only crimes that were committed were committed by rick gates. so this case will largely come down to who do you believe, rick gates or paul manafort? we know rec gates is going to testify for the prosecution in this case. but we don't know yet if paul manafort will testify in his own defense. if he does, he will have to do
much better than this. >> so to be clear, mr. trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs? >> that's what when he said, that's -- that's -- that's obviously what the proposition is. >> joining our discussion now, ken dilanian, intelligence and national security reporter for nbc news. he was inside the courtroom today. ken, we just saw there on that video what we know of paul manafort publicly is if we had to place our bets he would be a terrible witness under these circumstances in this courtroom. so one of the biggest choices the defense team has to make is can we put paul manafort on the stand in his own defense. do we know what they're thinking about that? >> we don't, lawrence. but i think you're absolutely right. and i would be stunned if paul manafort took the stand in this
case. particularly because of the mountain of evidence, paper, document evidence that the government has against him. you said it could come down to sort of a contest of who do you believe, paul manafort or rick gates. but the government does not see it that way. he made a point of saying today this case doesn't rest on any one witness. this is a case where we have two dozen witnesses, many of whom don't know one another, some of whom worked for manafort, some didn't, and we have more than 100 documents that we're going to show you and some of those were introduced into evidence today. and the prosecution really painted an astonishing portrait of greed and deceit, lawrence. you went through some of it. but there are really two parts to this fraud that they're alleging. manafort was working for this ukrainian politician backed by russia, and he was paid a fortune. some $60 million over many years. but it wasn't enough according to the prosecution. he had to get paid in a way that allowed him to evade u.s. taxes. so they paid him through offshore accounts. and they disguised it as loans instead of income. and he filled out according to the government false tax returns. that's part one. but then in 2014 his client, viktor yanukovych, was sent packing by the ukrainian people
and he was sent into exile in russia 1k39 and the spigot of cash turned off. sought prosecution says then paul manfred turned to defrauding banks because what he had at that point was he had a lot of valuable real estate in new york and in the hamptons and elsewhere. but he needed cash to find his lavish lifestyle, that ostrich jacket you mentioned and that $21,000 watch. and so prosecutors say he committed a series of bank frauds. he overstated his income, he ordered fake profit and loss statements from his business, and this conduct, lawrence, they say continued up to the time he was the chairman of the trump campaign. so what i think is an important thing that will come out of this trial, although it won't be mentioned in this fashion, is that paul manafort became donald trump's campaign chairman at a time when he was broke, scrambling for cash, in debt to at least one russian oligarch and working for free. so to a lot of people that makes him a very ripe target for recruitment by russian
intelligence if he wasn't already in the thrall of russian intelligence. >> i just want to give the audience -- and you've heard a lot of this, ken, in the courtroom today, but a sample from the rush transcript of what the prosecution had to say and how they're stressing that this won't just come down to what rick gates says. they say now, to be clear, paul manafort was an active participant in the tax and fraud schemes. was he too busy to pay attention to the details? the evidence will show quite the opposite. paul manafort constantly issued orders, and he received reports back. nor was he duped. many of the witnesses will testify that they dealt directly with paul manafort. and where manafort did use an intermediary you will see and you will hear how he directed their activities after all the evidence will show that paul manafort was the primary beneficiary of these frauds. he got the bank loans. he got the money. he got to use the untaxed income as the old adage goes, just follow the money. and so ken, the prosecutors seem to believe that's the case they're going to be able to present, just follow the money,
and rick gates might or might not be someone you have to believe for a conviction. >> yes. and i was wondering why the prosecutor was stressing that point in his opening statement. and then i heard the defense opening and i understood, because the defense case seems to boil down to paul manafort was too busy to be paying attention to these details like filing a correct tax return and failing to not defraud his profit and loss statements. and essentially rick gates, they're saying, his right-hand man, who's also sort of a well-known political consultant, was back home minding the store while paul manafort was doing his great work in ukraine and it's his fault that this bad stuff happened. the problem with that defense, i mean, they're going to take their shot and we'll see what happens, but there are so many documents that show manafort ordering things to be done that appear to be illegal, lawrence. >> nbc's ken dilanian. thank you, ken, for giving us that feel of having one of those very precious seats in the courtroom today. we appreciate it. >> thanks a lot, lawrence. >> coming up, how does it feel to be seized by the federal
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>> we believe that only american citizens should vote in american elections. which is why the time has come for voter i.d. like everything else. voter i.d. you know, if you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card. you need i.d. you go out and you want to buy anything you need i.d. and you need your picture. >> the man who bases his immigration policy on his ignorance about how to buy groceries has 600 children if his custody tonight. 600 children who remain tonight separated from their families after donald trump ordered his zero tolerance policy on the southern border, a policy which he has since abandoned and judging by the president's public comments he has completely forgotten what he did
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about christmas. he's always thinking about saying merry christmas. and he's never thinking about the spirit of christmas. just the department stores. he's never thinking about that infant baby, a wanderer with his mother and father, who found a place to rest in that manger in bethlehem. donald trump's never thinking about him when he thinks about christmas. and he never thinks about the children and the families whose lives he has harmed so deeply. he's never given a thought to what those babies and toddlers and children are feeling tonight. george takei was seized by the federal government and put in federal custody when he was 5 years old. george will join us next and tell the president of the united states how that feels. is this at&t innovations? yeah, wow..this must be for one of our new unlimited wireless plans. it comes with a ton of entertainment options. great, can you sign for this? yeah.
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raise your hand. >> joining our discussion now is george takei, a civil rights activist. he and his family were held in a internment camp during world war ii. george, take us back to that time when you were 5 years old and suddenly you were leaving your home. did you know that as you were leaving your home, you were being seized by the federal government and sent into federal custody? >> i was too young to really understand what was going on. i remember that morning when my parents got me up very early together with my brother a year younger and our baby sister, still an infant. they dressed us hurriedly, and my brother and i were told to wait in the living room while my parents did some last-minute packing back in the bedroom. and so the two of us were just gazing out the front window when suddenly we saw two soldiers marching up our driveway. they carried rifles with shiny
bayonets on them. they stomped up the porch and began pounding on the door with their fists. it was a terrifying sound. my father came rushing out, and he answered the door, and literally at gunpoint, we were ordered out of our home. my father gave my brother and me small packages to carry, and we stepped out and stood on the driveway, waiting for my mother to come out. and when she came out, she had our baby sister in one arm, a huge duffel bag in the other, and tears were streaming down her cheeks. i will never be able to forget that scary, horrible morning. >> when you woke up in the first camp that you were in, i believe you were in two, first in arkansas and then in california. how long -- did you have any sense of how long this was going to become your life?
>> well, we were first taken to the horse tables of santa anita racetrack. and from a two bedroom home to a smelly -- it was still pungent with the smell of horse manure in a small narrow horse stall, all five of us squeezed in there with cots covering the whole space that was there. and my parents said that we were going to be here for a while, and this is where the horsies used to sleep. and to 5-year-old me, i thought it was fun to sleep where the horsies sleep. but for my parents, it was a degrading, humiliating painful experience. and i had many conversations with my father after when i was a teenager, and he told me that his -- that was one of the most
painful experiences of the whole internment. >> if you could have a minute with donald trump, what would you tell him about what you believe is happening to these children who have been now orphaned at the southern border? >> he has reached a new historic low with this notion of tearing children away from their parents and then putting them -- incarcerating them in cages, and then scattering them all over. i mean, it's such pathetic incompetence. now that they're required to reunite the families, and with their parents, they can't find the children. they can't match up the children with the parents. some parents have been deported already to guatemala or honduras or el salvador. and it's the most incompetent administration and a new low in cruelty and inhumanity.
it is really -- it makes americans ashamed. >> what do you make of the fact that since the policy was reversed and donald trump said a few words about basically ending that policy that he hasn't said a word about these children since? and he can go to florida tonight, talk for 62 minutes. he's got over 600 children still in his custody. they are in donald trump's custody, and they are lost from their parents. and he does not say one word about them. >> he doesn't care. he's got a new outrage two or three times a day, and he's gone from one to the other. so he's preoccupied with that. and they're out of his mind already. jeff sessions tried to justify that by reading the bible when he announced the zero tolerance policy. this is really an upside down administration, just filled with
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see you in half an hour. tonight, several developing stories as we come on the air. the deadly nor'easter. snow still falling in places. and the nightmare. the drivers stranded. the 20-car pileup on the george washington bridge. drivers stuck for so long, authorities pounding on windows to wake them up. and chaos at airports. passengers still waiting and another system coming. new threat in california, the smoke-filled air now closing schools. the bay bridge vanishing behind it. and a new and staggering number doubling tonight. 600 people now unaccounted for. president trump's answers to robert mueller. what we learned tonight. new surveillance this evening. the 49ers football fan, an army vet who had been in the stands with his girlfriend and vanishing. his car still there. the colorado father who
begged for his wife and children to come home even though authorities say he had already killed them. his girlfriend, breaking silence. what she noticed not long before. black friday, the one step you can take one now online to ensure you will get the lowest price. thanksgiving almost here. the cdc with the new warning about turkey and salmonella. and celebrating the man behind so many classics, from "butch cassidy and the sun dance kid" to the princess bride. good evening and we have a lot to get to tonight. we begin with a nightmare still playing out. the deadly and historic nor'easter slamming several states. there is still snow falling. it brought new york city to a halt. the 20-car pileup, on the gw bridge connecting new york to new jersey, grid lock across the city. the maddening scene with buses delayed.
you can see the guards there there blocking the escalator. the port authority bus station. students forced to spend the night in a middle school. tonight, sans lags cancellations and delays. passengers sleeping on cots at are watching tonight. meteorologist rob marciano leading it off. >> reporter: tonight, with snow still falling in parts of the northeast, the nightmare is not over. a historic november nor'easter. stranding drivers and cars, passengers still at airports and students stranded at school into the night. >> this storm hit right in the perfect hour.ri t rho was starting. >> reporter: in manhattan, six inches of snow and ice. halting traffic. hundreds of trees crashing down and the weight of the snow gathering on the leaving still on the trees. >> watch out, watch out! >> reporter: blocking roads, crushing cars. >> i just heard a crack. the whole limb, the whole branch just fell down.
>> reporter: the stunning scene on new york's george washington bridge, a 20-car pileup. some were forced to get out of the car and walk across the bridge. nearly 2,000 crashes in 12 hours. >> even if you say it's an exceedingly unusual set of events that came together, we still can't let it happen again. >> reporter: meanwhile, a sea of frustrated commuters in new york port authority bus terminal. the massive crowd held back by armed guards. >> 4 hours on an hour and a half commute. >> reporter: some computers get out and push. many simply abandoning their cars. these students in new jersey forced to spend the night. sleeping on gym mats. the parents could not pick them up from school. they watched the movie "frozen". >> yeah, i wanted to go home. >> reporter: on interstate 78 in pennsylvania, police using sirens, banging on doors to wake
truckers and drivers who were stuck in traffic so long, they had fallen asleep. one driver traveling north from florida on interstate 95 in connecticut was killed after getting out of the car to clear snow. air travel also grinding to a halt. passengers stuck there too. >> we were stuck on the plane for two hours. >> reporter: stranded travelers crashing on cots in airport terminals from boston's logan airport to newark. >> what a mess. let's get right to rob marciano live there tonight. the george washington bridge behind you there. and what a chaotic scene over night. you are tracking another system? >> reporter: yes, we are, david. we are not quite done with this one which outperformed our forecast. now it's spinning off the coast of maine, and the spirals bands off new england and new york. other storm you talked about, a winter storm warning for wyoming and north dakota, a two-pronged system that will bring snow and through minneapolis, chicago, reaching in the areas that got ice earlier in the week. maybe 2 to 4 inches. behind that, windchills will be
below zero. some of that cold air will get to the east next week. david? >> rob, thanks as always. we will turn next to california and the new and staggering toll. the numbers now doubling, authorities say 600 people unaccounted for. and another concern, smoke from the wildfires closing schools, the air reaching hazardous levels. and spreading across hundreds of miles. more than 150 miles away that is san francisco's bay bridge disappearing in the haze. and the u.s. military has sent in more teams to help identify human remains with so many families waiting. abc's will carr from california again tonight. >> three, two, one, water's away. >> reporter: tonight, exhausted fire crews attacking the camp fire from the air. the containment rising, but hazardous smoke smothering the region. the putrid air quality, worse than major cities in china, reaching dangerous levels for millions from sacramento to san francisco, where schools have closed. residents forced to wear masks.
the death toll jumping again after the fire, the deadliest in california history, wiped the town of paradise off the map. for days, officials have been combing through rubble and missing persons' reports from three separate hotlines. tonight with war zone remains, expects on the ground, more than 600 still unaccounted sister. pam nolan looking for her ex-husband. >> we've checked every evacuation center, every shelter. >> reporter: a list of the missing posted in this walmart parking lot where many paradise residents have relocated, living in tents filled with smoke until sunday when they'll be forced to leave. and david, more than 11,000 homes and businesses have burned to the ground in california, with the president coming to see the devastation on saturday, state leaders are calling it a humanitarian crisis. david? >> will carr, excellent reporting all week long. tonight, president trump says he has written answers to robert mueller's questions and he has written the answers on
his own. and he says he was trying to trick him up. here is jonathan karl. >> reporter: president trump said today he has at long last completed written answers to questions from special counsel robert mueller. >> i haven't submitted them yet. i just finished them. >> reporter: he insisted, he wrote the answers himself, not his lawyers. >> my lawyers aren't working on that. i'm working on that. i write the answer. my lawyers don't write answers. i write answers. i was asked a series of questions. i answered them very easily, very easily. i'm sure they're tricked you because you know they like to ask people, gee, was the weather sunny or rainy? he said it may have been a good day. it was rainy therefore he told a lie. okay, so you have to always be careful when you answer questions for people who probably have bad intentions. >> reporter: abc news has learned the president objected to some of the questions, and over the past 24 hours, he has harshly attacked mueller and his investigation. "the inner workings of the mueller investigation are a total mess," he tweeted just
yesterday. "they are screaming and shouting at people, horribly threatening them to come up with the answers they want. they are a disgrace to our nation." it's unclear what the president was referring to. we asked both the white house and the justice department if he had been briefed by new acting attorney general matt whitaker. neither would answer. >> you on twitter yesterday seemed a bit agitated about what you might be perceiving what the mueller investigation will do. >> no, i'm not agitated. it's a hoax. the whole thing is a hoax. there was no collusion. >> jon karl live with us tonight from the white house. there is another headline breaking in "the washington post," they are reporting that the cia has concluded the saudi crown prince ordered the assassination of that journalist last seen on the surveillance going in the consolate in istanbul. breaking in "the washington post." if confirmed, it would lead to major questions. >> if true, this would ramp up the pressure on the trump
administration to take a tougher line on saudi arabia. they have 17 saudi officials. as you know, the president has resisted placing blame on the crown prince. he has also made it clear he does not want to see broader sanctions on the saudi kingdom. david? >> jon karl, thanks to you. next tonight to new surveillance just out after the mysterious disappearance of a 49ers fan and an army vet. he vanished from levi's stadium in the monday night football game and surveillance video showing him after he left his seat to go to the bathroom. he never came back. his car sitting there untouched. here is abc's kana whitworth. >> reporter: this eerie surveillance video just released by police shows 32-year-old ian powers looking down at his cell phone while apparently leaving the san francisco 49ers game on monday alone. police believe he was headed in the direction of his car. the army veteran has been missing for four days. and this is ian at the game.
he had traveled with his girlfriend and her two kids from spokane, washington, when she says he got up to use the restroom and never came back. >> for him to just get lost, it must have been unusual circumstances. >> reporter: she says this screenshot is from their last videochat when they were trying to find each other before she says they lost contact. >> he didn't know where he was. he just kept saying by the entrance. >> reporter: police say his car was found where he parked it with no signs of foul play, and he's made no traceable financial transactions and posted nothing on social media. >> our investigation will continue into the night. however, we will be back in some capacity tomorrow. >> reporter: the police say they are baffled by his disappearance. they are now reviewing surveillance video from area businesses. daid? >> thank you. the colorado father pleaded for the return of his wife and daughters even though authorities say he had already killed them.
and tonight, his mistress who said he told her he was divorcing now breaking her silence and the warning signs right before. here is abc's linsey davis. >> reporter: week after chris watts pleaded guilty to murdering his daughters and pregnant wife -- >> he is amazing. >> reporter: his girlfriend is pulling back the curtain on a double life. >> daddy is my hero -- >> reporter: nichol kessinger tells "the denver post" watts is "a liar, he lied about everything." they met at work just weeks before his family went missing, she says he told her he was finalizing a divorce. and described him as "soft spoken" and a "good listener." but his story unraveled when his family went missing and he begged on tv for their return. >> if you're out there, just come back. >> reporter: kessinger telling the post, "i thought, if he was able to lie to me and hide something that big, what else was he lying about?" when she pressed him for answers his lack of emotion only made her more suspicious and she feared for his wife and
children. police recovered their remains at a colorado oil site. his daughters hidden in inside storage tanks. she says she wanted to help and went to investigators while police were still searching. as for watts, he will be sentenced on monday. he is expected to get life in prison, david? >> thank you. a stunning revelation tonight. the u.s. has filed secret charges against julian assange, the wikileaks founder who has taken home in london. and a federal indictment for an unknown crime was reported by mistake. in an unknown case. we do know that wikileaks is on radar of robert mueller. and they used the sites to spread the e-mails to damage hillary clinton. assange says they did not come from the russians. next tonight to what prosecutors are saying a go fund me scam, that couple and homeless vet charged after raising $400,000 in donations.
tonight, that woman's lawyer speaking out just moments ago, now defending her. here is whit johnson. >> reporter: tonight, the woman accused of an epic lie to scam thousands of americans now wants everyone to believe she too was duped. >> kate is being used and being set up to continue to be the face of this and to continue to do what she was trying to do, which is help a homeless veteran. >> reporter: the attorney representing kate mcclure says it was her boyfriend at the time, mark d'amico, and johnny bobbitt who met first and pushed the alleged scheme, telling a viral tale about bobbit, a homeless veteran, offering kate his last $20 when she ran out of gas. but less than an hour after their go fund me page went live, prosecutors say mcclure texted a friend admitting it was fake. writing, "okay, so wait, the gas part is completely made up. but the guy isn't. i had to make something up to make people feel bad." >> on kate's part it was puffing. it was exaggeration, trying to help this veteran.
>> reporter: david, mcclure's attorney says she and d'amico are no longer together. lawyers representing her alleged co-conspirators declined to comment. david? a breaking headline from georgia this evening, democratic candidate stacy abrams has said there is no way for her to win. but has not called it a concession. she called her opponent kemp the victor. she says she will file a lawsuit claiming gross mismanagement of the election. president trump awarding the medal of freedom to seven americans, babe ruth, elvis presley and supreme court justice antonin scalia, and in the front row, justice ruth baden ginsberg, recently hospitalized after a fall. she and scalia friends. the president today welcoming her back. there is more ahead on friday. the suspected serial killer and his new confession, admitting to 90 murders nationwide. making headlines.
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finally tonight here, one mother's unimaginable grief and what she then does to help another mother save her son. my "20/20" co-anchor amy robach with two families, who are america strong. >> reporter: tonight, a second chance for cameron underwood who suffered injuries to his face from a self-inflicted gunshot wound two years ago. >> he had hope for the first time. as a mom, you want to fix things. >> reporter: but the selfless gift of another mother who tragically lost her son, will, is about to make it possible for cameron to have surgery, facial transplant surgery. >> but a face?
>> and cameron suffered his injury at the age of 23, which is the age that willie was when he died. and i just thought, you know, he can get this kid a face. >> reporter: with will identified as the donor, two mothers coming together in love and hope to give one son a chance at life. >> thank you for letting my son live on. you have no idea what it means, what it means to us. >> reporter: the roughly 25 hour surgery a success. >> when you look in the mirror, what do you see? >> me? i see me. >> reporter: one life reborn and mother seeing her lost son's face again. >> i'm so glad you're here. so glad. you look so fantastic. >> i know, you look beautiful. >> i guess i'm a little biassed. i think you're drop dead gorgeous. >> i think he is too. thank you. >> those two moms looking at the the young man and new face.
amy, i know you will reveal it tonight on "20/20." this is an extraordinary journey. what the two families have done for one another. >> we have been following them for the past six months. one of the most poignant moments, david, was when one mother gave the other mother at the reunion at the reunion, a gold locket and a picture of both boys inside. >> and amy and i will see you a couple hours from now, 10:00 p.m. eastern. "20/20." incredible story. we will see you then. good night. take a look. that's not fog, it is smoke.
today is the worst air quality we've ever seen in parts of the bay area. tonight, see what it is doing to us. i'm spencer christian. potentially hazardous smoke continues to plague the bay area. i will show you where it is at its worst right now. >> all of this smoke is from the deadly camp fire burning in butte county and we're about to get a live update on the fire fight there. live where you live, this is "abc 7 news". ♪ they're coughing during the night. they're like -- they don't feel good. >> i stopped swimming just because it is an outdoor pool. >> i have never seen anything like this. >> this is the worst air quality on record in the bay area, and after enduring smoke from the butte county wildfire for a week, we are still days away from any real relief. good evening. thanks for joining us. i'm dan ashley. >> i'm ama daetz. at the bottom of the screen you will see the names of people who are listed as missing after the camp fire by the butte county sheriff's office. >> there's also a phone number.
central and southern california. no harm, no fowl. >> thanks for joining us. tonight, several developing stories as we come on the air. the deadly school shooting. inside the horror tonight. the children rushing out, tears streaming down their faces. and this evening, the two suspects in court. both students, and tonight, the description, what happened in that classroom. students who rushed the gunman, one, a marine recruit. the other student losing his life to save others, and what he had told his family beforehand. also tonight, the severe weather outbreak at this hour. it has turned deadly. a man swept away in the floods. new tornado watches in effect right now. roads washed away. students who could not leave school forced to sleep there overnight. rob has the new track tonight. the breaking headline at this hour involving donald trump jr. subpoenaed by the senate intelligence committee. that committee led by republicans.
what they want to ask him about. the innocent man who was arrested and jailed after recording officers with his phone, held behind bars for three days without cause. now, the sheriff and two deputies facing federal charges. walmart and the major change tonight when it comes to tobacco, amid the exploding use of e-cigarettes. and what's in a name? baby archie revealed to the world. harry and meghan and what they reveal. and archie meets the queen. good evening and it's great to have you with us here on a wednesday night. and we are following severe weather right now. it has turned deadly. but we are going to begin tonight with the horror now revealed inside that school shooting in colorado. the two suspects, both students, both in court today, and what we have now learned. there was a massive and quick response to the call of an active shooter. nine students shot, one of them killed, as he rushed the gunman. children from kindergarten to 12th grade inside that school,
their distraught parents waiting for word that they were safe. tonight, the two young heroes, including that student, kendrick castillo, who lost his life, what he once told his parents. and the other hero, a young marine recruit. we hear from him right here tonight. abc's chief national correspondent matt gutman leads us off from the scene. >> reporter: tonight, that first glimpse of the young man accused of bringing murder to this denver area stem school. 18-year-old devon erickson, that stripe of fuchsia in his black hair, nails painted black, saying a single word in his first appearance. >> no. >> reporter: nodding vigorously when the judge addressed him, but never looking up. he and a 16-year-old accomplice facing nearly 30 charges, including murder. just after lunchtime tuesday, erickson allegedly calling out "nobody move" in his class before opening fire. nine students shot. one of them killed. his name was kendrick castillo. his family telling reporters that kendrick once said, if there was ever a school shooter,
he wouldn't think twice about acting. and tonight, details about his last heroic moments. >> complete disregard for his own safety. he was immediately there to respond. he was immediately on the shooter and he was ready to end the threat. >> reporter: brandon bialy, a marine recruit, was one of the boys who lunged towards the shooter. >> there was fear, i still look back at it and i still feel a bit of fear when i think back to it, but after that point, it is just doing what i thought i should do. >> reporter: these high school seniors, including castillo, were just three days away from graduation. but there are other heroes as well. >> as we go through this, i think we're going to find that there were a lot of students that did a number of great heroic things. >> reporter: police there within minutes. >> they had to force their way into the school, which they were able to do, and they just happened to pick a door that they forced into that one of the suspects was right, you know, down the hall from that door. >> reporter: soon after the all clear sounded, the kindergarten through high school students bussed to reunification centers, where anxious parents waited an.
but tonight, questions about what allegedly drove that 18-year-old boy and that 16-year-old to murder. >> we're trying to get suspect info. we do have one person shot in the lower back. school's in lockdown. >> reporter: the male shooter had been active in school theater. even had his own youtube channel featuring cover songs. >> it didn't seem like he was the type to do it at all. >> reporter: but when police searched his house, they found his car spray-painted with "expletive society." his accomplice, a 16-year-old, also a student at the school. the suspects, the first pair of student shooters to target a school since the columbine massacre 20 years ago. tonight, that high school changing its sign in solidarity -- "our hearts are with you, stem." >> so, let's get live to matt gutman in colorado tonight outside that school, which will remain closed for the rest of the week, we were told, matt. and we also know the second suspect was also in court today? >> reporter: that's right, david. and with a strikingly different demeanor. this suspect, the 16-year-old,
had short cropped hair, was engaged and very attentive with the judge and right beside him was sitting his mother, because he is a juvenile. now, he was born a female, but his defense team petitioned the court that he be recognized as a male. that was granted. the d.a. is now considering whether or not to charge him as an adult. david? >> matt gutman in colorado tonight. matt, thank you. and next, to the severe weather threat at this hour. i mentioned at the top, a man swept away, he did not survive in the floods. and now, the new tornado threat at this hour. storm chasers tracking more than a dozen tornadoes from this system. and police conducting water rescues, pulling three women and a dog from their flooded car in austin as the region continues to get pounded. we do have the track tonight. abc's maggie rulli is in houston. >> reporter: tonight, storms firing up across the south. day two of a deadly severe weather outbreak. >> wow. look at that. >> reporter: 18 reported tornadoes tearing across the plains. four inches of rain per hour swamping drivers in the houston
area, washing away roads. >> if somebody's in their car, we get them out. >> reporter: some 250 calls for help, more than three dozen rescued. students wading through the parking lot at this high school. and at one elementary school, 60 students sleeping on cots -- they couldn't get home. administrators, teachers and staff all pitching in throughout the night to care for them. worried parents picking up their kids this morning. >> couldn't sleep well. >> reporter: new body cam video showing the danger of flash flooding. austin police racing to save three women and their dog friday. >> i got you, i got you. >> reporter: their vehicle stuck on a bridge in fast-moving water. late today, a man was found dead in a lake nearby after being swept away by floodwaters. and david, i want to show you, this lake here is already overflowing. and right now, we're bracing for potentially three more days of more rain and maybe even more tornadoes. david? >> all right, maggie, our thanks to you again tonight. let's get right to rob marciano, tracking it all for us. hey, rob. >> reporter: hi, david.
powerful storms now moving through east texas, northern louisiana and southern arkansas. here you see it on the radar. we've got a tornado watch out for much of this area until 11:00 tonight. even one active tornado warning. worried about jonesboro, as these storms rocket to the east at 45 miles per hour. some snow tonight in denver. that cold is going to drag the southern part of this system and slow it down. northern one kind of takes off. but atlanta tomorrow afternoon, you'll get a line of storms. and the southern part of this front, again, shreveport, alexandria, baton rouge, houston, maggie mentioned more rainfall coming tomorrow night into friday. five to eight inches not needed. david? >> all right, rob, we'll be tracking it with you. thank you. next, to that breaking headline tonight involving donald trump jr. late today, we learned he has now been subpoenaed by the senate intelligence committee. that committee led by republicans. what they want to ask him about. abc's mary bruce on the hill tonight. >> reporter: tonight, in a surprising move, the republican-led senate intelligence committee issuing the first known subpoena to a member of the president's family. just a few weeks ago, son donald trump jr. said he was absolved by the mueller report.
>> it's been an incredible vindication for me, for my father, for our entire family. >> reporter: trump jr. was involved in that trump tower meeting with a russian lawyer and was also briefed about plans to build a trump tower in moscow. he already testified in 2017, but now, they want to talk to him again. it all comes as the war between the white house and congressional democrats is reaching a boiling point. >> we've talked for a long time about approaching a constitutional crisis. we are now in it. >> reporter: the house judiciary committee tonight voting to hold attorney general bill barr in contempt of congress for refusing to turn over the full mueller report and the underlying evidence. >> the ayes have it. >> reporter: it happened just hours after president trump took that extraordinary step, invoking executive privilege to block democrats from getting the unredacted report. accusing the chairman of a "blatant abuse of power," the white house today said the president had "no other option." >> are you kidding me? you can't assert executive
privilege after the fact. when the closest advisers to the president have already spoken to team mueller. >> reporter: but republicans were quick to defend the white house and the attorney general. >> bill barr is following the law and what's his reward? democrats are going to hold him in contempt. >> reporter: house speaker nancy pelosi says the president's stonewalling is making his own case for impeachment. >> every single day, the president is making a case, he's becoming self-impeachable. >> so, let's get to mary bruce, she's live up on the hill again tonight. and mary, the president's son is now the subject of a subpoena, as you reported there at the top of your piece. any response from him tonight? >> reporter: well, david, no word yet from trump jr. himself, but a source close to him tells us that he is exasperated by all of this, and that he had offered to answer any additional questions in writing. so right now, it's unclear where this goes from here, but the president has vowed to fight all subpoenas. david? >> mary bruce tonight.
mary, thank you. and as you know, president trump is also responding tonight to that "new york times" investigation revealing details on ten years worth of his taxes. showing that he lost more than a billion dollars from 1985 to 1994. they report he lost more than any other individual in that decade. and tonight, his appearances on tv during that time, including on oprah, what he said, despite what his taxes reportedly show. here's jon karl. >> reporter: the tax documents obtained by "the new york times" show donald trump was awash in red ink at a time he was portraying himself as the ultimate business genius, master of the art of the deal. >> well, i really think you have it or you don't have it, and i hate to say that, because, you know, it's something that i feel strongly about. you either have it or you don't. >> reporter: "the times" did not review the president's actual tax returns, but they did see official irs documents that showed trump racked up "$1.17 billion in losses for the decade" spanning 1985 to 1994.
"year after year," "the times" writes, "mr. trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual american taxpayer." in fact, trump "lost so much money that he was able to avoid paying income taxes for eight of the ten years." but you wouldn't know it from listening to trump back then selling himself. >> i really go by instinct and i go by my gut feel. everything i touched turned to gold immediately. >> reporter: he built an empire on debt, buying eastern airlines, turning it into trump airlines and draining some $7 million a month to keep it flying. losing big on his signature casino. and even losing money for a time with mar-a-lago, which he bought in 1985 for only $10 million. today, responding to "the new york times," the president at first explained the reason for his losses, tweeting, "you always wanted to show losses for tax purposes, it was sport." and then, in the same tweet, he hammered the story as, quote, "highly inaccurate."
>> so, let's get to jon, he's live at the white house tonight. and jon, democrats in congress are now preparing to escalate their efforts to get the president's tax returns? >> reporter: david, we're told that house democrats will decide tomorrow whether or not to go to court and to issue a subpoena in an attempt to try to force the treasury department to turn over the president's more recent tax returns. david? >> jon karl, great to have you. as always. next tonight, there are now federal charges for a sheriff and two deputies accused of outrageous treatment of a man who was recording police with his phone. he was arrested and then held for three days without cause. here's abc's steve osunsami. >> they got somebody on the loose around here. >> reporter: this video that's all over facebook is what started it all. 26-year-old kevin simpson was recording from his front lawn, as chester county sheriff's deputies were responding to a car wreck where someone ran from the scene. for reasons that aren't clear tonight, the police didn't want him recording. >> how about staying on your porch? >> reporter: he's on his property, an hour south of charlotte last november, and
sheriff alex underwood, known around here as "big a," tells him to get back on his porch. >> you got something you want to say? >> reporter: and when simpson talks back, the sheriff begins to arrest him. >> i tell you what -- >> reporter: the new indictment takes over where the video leaves off, saying that the sheriff and two officers demanded simpson's cell phone, and when they didn't get it, one of them beat him up. prosecutors say he was detained in jail for three nights, for no reason, and that the officers gave false statements to the fbi about why they held simpson and took his phone. and what they didn't realize at first, the video was broadcast live. the sheriff and two others are facing several federal charges tonight, and until this plays out in the courts, the sheriff is being replaced. david? >> steve, thank you. there are new numbers tonight from the u.s.-mexico border. u.s. authorities reporting more than 109,000 undocumented migrants were stopped last month. that's the most in a decade, including more than 58,000 families and more than 8,800 unaccompanied minors. there are new tensions between the u.s. and iran tonight. the u.s. announced new sanctions
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face. >> reporter: giving the world a closer look, the new parents say they're still not quite sure who he takes after. >> we're still trying to figure that out. >> his looks are changing every single day, so who knows. >> reporter: just two days old, archie, completely unaware of the history he's making. the seventh in line to the british throne, he is the first multiracial baby born into the house of windsor. the son of the first american to marry a royal in nearly a century. harry and meghan first releasing this black and white portrait of the new royal family. the palace then bringing that moment to life with this vibrant version. we've also learned meghan gave birth in a london hospital. no cameras staked outside or public family visits that for years have been part of royal tradition. the duke and duchess instead savoring private time with their son. >> he has the sweetest temperament. he's really calm and -- >> i don't know who he gets that from. >> reporter: with a wave, the new family of three beginning their own chapter in royal history.
the duke and duchess decided not to give their baby boy a royal title. they're electing at this time for him simply to be known as archie, which means genuine and bold. david? >> all right, linsey davis live from windsor castle again tonight. thank you. there's still much more ahead on "world news tonight" this wednesday. the images coming in right now. the massive weapons arsenal seized late today. hundreds of guns, including rifles there, the atf on the scene at this hour. where this is playing out. also tonight, uber and lyft on strike today. we'll tell you why. and the consumer alert tonight. why the prices of tomatoes could skyrocket and soon, and the reason why. a lot more news ahead. ead. ead.
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wouldn't let him go to school without the chickenpox vaccine. but tonight, senior jerome kunkel revealing he wound up with the chickenpox after all. the 18-year-old refusing to get vaccinated after an outbreak of more than 30 cases at his catholic school. >> as a catholic, we believe that, you know, abortion is wrong, morally wrong. and since the vaccine's derived from aborted fetal cells, that obviously goes directly against that. >> reporter: the vaccine can be traced back to the use of cells from two aborted fetuses from the 1960s, but even the vatican has decided that it's morally acceptable for catholics to get them because they protect children. in the end, kunkel lost his lawsuit and almost two months of school, but now went back to class this week. his family saying he is no longer contagious. and david, tonight, kunkel's lawyer telling us he did not intentionally contract the disease to get immunity, but believes he got the chickenpox while serving mass. david? >> gio, thank you.
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vet, he was then taken to the charleston animal society and put up for adoption. and when captain bryant learned no one had claimed him, he returned to save that puppy again. >> this is meant to be. he's my dog and he's coming home with me. >> reporter: he was then asked about a name. >> does he have a name? >> yeah, we're going to call him rocky. >> rocky? okay. >> reporter: moments later -- >> and here he comes. right now. oh, my goodness. >> how are you? >> reporter: immediately kissing that fire captain again and showing his love right in front of the camera. >> oh, what's the matter? >> reporter: then, fire captain paul and his puppy, rocky, on their way. rocky, one look back, and then he was off. rocky's going home, and as the captain said, it was meant to be. i hope to see you tomorrow. good night. . live where you live, this is
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when it hits. the mind and amusing. to open 1st 2019 from september 6th to september 29th. augmented reality mobile gaming looks to be the next big thing sometimes like here in angry birds they are it already works pretty well. and i get into developers taking it even further but it is a mobile gaming really cutting edge on just another gimmick our topic on shipbuilding. i don't want to spend a fortune on a virtual reality headset no problem all you need for mental reality is
a reason smartphone and a sense of adventure or my. reality is when the real environment is enhanced through computer generated objects according to the us game developer nyan tick that's the team behind goal they are is about to explode just released results unite which they say uses state of the art a artic the media hype has been huge and the wanda group has all the harry potter fans around the world and the trailer looks fit for hollywood. the game developers have promised to feel like wizards. and know how. the game of the game is to find lost magical objects found a bull's. eye
and point. is not the couch potatoes expect to walk between 2 and 10 kilometers to get a home port. play is reach a magical. environment and the object is next generation with the full $360.00 degree. characters and creatures. so it's definitely. today the 360 degree view didn't really work when i tried it out but it's not that important for visitor night anyway in theory i could even turn off the ai which would be good for my phone battery because they are it's a lot of power to be honest i'd rather stay with the original poker mungo the set up is pretty much the same you have to walk and swipe for the mongo is still
a huge deal and generates all that a 1000000 euros per day the makers of was a denied hoping that the new baby. be just as successful. the bar is very high. publishers of wizards united released poker in 2016 the game was a global hit the app has been downloaded over 800000000 times and has earned over 2000000000 euros and even 3 years after its release come on go continues to be high up in the charts. jurassic world alive has a similar setup switching on the ion mode lets dinosaurs appear in a play as environment this app is also a huge success it was downloaded over 500000 times in may 2019. game design professor thomas braman says we're still in the early stages of games and the developers are using smartphone tech and famous characters from popular
culture to reach as many new potential gameness as possible. or this harry potter game are basically multimedia collector card games the collector card model is very old and works well and it's now being expanded to include things from real life. good old collector cots but of many reality offers completely new possibilities to this old concept almost all you're smart phones i create for a r and there's no need for an extra headset developers help to reach a lot more people this way and tech giants school and apple are working around the clock to develop even better software but how does augmented reality work on a smartphone. cameras senses and g.p.s. tracking units these elements make smartphones ideal for playing location based games the camera takes in an environment which is then analyzed and processed by an app. for newer smartphones also have special infrared cam.
called depth sensors they measure the world basically and thanks to these measurements a phone can locate exactly where it is in a real life environment. so i can move forward or backward or i can turn around. the size of the space is irrelevant it can be the whole world like with one of the 1st games to use g.p.s. tracking it incorporates landmarks from the real world to create a virtual game world. or the skies can be restricted to a book. like this award winning adventure game. here a familiar medium becomes interactive the camera recognizes the pages and allows the reader to decide how the story should continue using expanded reality.
it becomes an adventure game depending on what decision the app user makes he or she is forwarded to other pages of the book and experiences the story in a new way. smartphone tech is constantly being developed and this also makes such sophisticated game related ideas possible take angry birds for example the game 1st came on the scene 10 years ago but now there's an augmented reality version which adds a whole new level to the gaming principle for example i now have to play is the level i want to play in my environment and can then move around it and she was the perfect spot to launch my attack. microsoft is taking it a step further they bought minecraft the world's most successful computer game in september 24th team for over 2000000000 euros. mobile version of the game is coming soon and it looks seriously cool. you can only play
minecraft if you switch on the function then you need to find a free service to start building your architectural masterpiece this is your virtual buy spite because g.p.s. technology is not yet quite sophisticated enough to help design buildings to be exact microsoft has combined different technologies. one of them is tracking which can help locate free surfaces with the latest functions smartphones camera can identify feature points again in this case the machines can even spill over to beyond the table so to speak. the minecraft tracking combines with mapping so that single objects can be identified the system can recognize a table and mark. then a complex 3 d. point cloud is created and uploaded to an open source cloud system the app uses the information to find its way in the real world and all gamers are able to see the
objects in this. game most can work together to create architectural masterpieces but at the same time they're also in directly working for microsoft for free it's no secret that microsoft google and co collect as much location data as they can through my phone so long as i don't opt out the data collected from minecraft earth is going straight into microsoft's cloud system and is helping create a super precise 3 d. model of the earth this trouble's privacy advocates now microsoft insists that no photos of the gaming environment will end up online only low resolution point but what about if i play minecraft at home will my apartment then be scanned and uploaded as a point cloud. what's clear is that in they are kompany money from personal data as
well but that's not their only source of revenue. companies that make free to play against such is my tamagotchi forever plenty of money for me take chances in 2017 worldwide pitches revenues reached incredible 33. players don't have to buy anything but then they will have to be more patient. there's a system of time mechanisms. if i don't want to wait to carry on playing then i have to buy gold or diamonds etc so that i can start playing again faster. and of course there is. not only helps uses find their way but also makes shopping suggestions. this is how long hotel receipts unite the placement is a little less in your face. you can sell
a location so to speak. the company will say if you give us money we'll put something great in front of your business so that many users will go there and are more likely to stop by it's a classic advertising trick which doesn't seem like advertising the. one thing i'm especially excited about multiplayer games but the necessary tech isn't quite there yet the problem usually is lacking bandwidth rate because there can't be any leg between different devices playoffs are using otherwise my opponent won't know they just got it. this works better in ultra fast 5 g. networks but this new mobile network standard is not yet widespread hopefully we won't have to wait too long for 5 g. and in the meantime a eyes steadily improving for instance when it comes to tracking and locating position and poll. orientation we almost used to be that they are always had to have
a kind of marker this 2nd generation like pokémon for example recognize the ground and could say our position something there. but this new generation can recognize 3 dimensional objects and move around or enhance them you have these. colleges developed and places objects in a regional context in this kind excavation site in aleppo syria uses can move around in a space and exude the objects bringing the historical site alive. mobile augmented reality is really exciting and better cameras are making it possible manufacturers investing into depth sensors more and more the senses can recognize distance which in turn allows augmented reality apps to locate their position and pose in a given space smartphones have inadvertently become the dream devices of ai create us because uses don't need to buy any additional equipment to immerse themselves in
augmented reality and of course the more people check out ai games the more valuable data developers have access to so it's no wonder that game developers are lashing onto already popular characters of pop culture such as harry potter which brings us back where we started what do you think about augmented reality which games do you like in particular that has no on you tube facebook on w not come all the best for now feel next that.
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