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Secular modernity, they can thrive in it and help convert it. whereas christian communities as you indicated, that tend to fudge the boundaries to the point where youre not clear where the boundaries are, they dont do so well. >> lets take a look. thats an interesting point. lets go now to -- here we are, the cathedral basilica. of st. peters paul. which i grew up with. thats the vehicle of choice of the pontiff. makes a lot of sense. why dont you give us the arrival information and cover it as ...