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They want construction to start on the wall. he is right. what he just said that clip we just played, democrats already voted for this. they said they want a border barrier, right, it was in 2006, democrats did vote. obama did vote. the schumer, i believe, voted for the fencing. thats why the it the is changing he is saying i will take if they want to call it fencing or steel slats. >> lawrence: he just wants it. >> tom: he is right that clip he showed thats perfect logic they voted for it until...

Positioned himself that way because subtly hes been calling it steel slats, not a wall. and he said if i call it this, maybe democrats will support it, as if theyre not privy to the whole game here. whats interesting from the macro standpoint is i spent the day talking to people who -- inside the white house, allies of the white house, and they feel good about where they stand right now. they think that when congress reconvenes in january because everyone assumes its going to go to january now, ...

Everyone else was going about their business. maybe its because peoples paychecks, the first paycheck to really be hit by this is going to be on january 11. >> december 31st for some people. >> yes, december 31st could be the case as well. >> i dont think its a matter of not good faith. the democrats have been very clear. they believe we need security in our border. what they dont agree with is satisfying donald trumps insecurity with a tall border wall. thats a very, very big difference. also t...

And he wants to see that included. >> so basically, until he gets his way? >> well, thats both ways. youve got democrats saying they wont pass any kind of cr if it has any money for the wall. they want their way. the president wants his way. hopefully, there will be a way to meet in the middle so far. but what weve heard is that anything over the 1.6 or 1.3 billion, that number keeps changing, is a non-starter for democrats and the president is trying to make a broader deal on -- and hes offered...

Tweets. were not seeing any progress. we dont know whether or not theres any direct negotiations happening between president trump and democratic congressional leaders. ive been told its been left to the aides on both sides to negotiate this shutdown and thats not even happening at this point. this does seem like it will be prolonged even further and could come to a point where nancy pelosi gets control of the house. puts forward a bill and then it falls for republicans to determine whether or n...

Pelosis first rhodesodeo. shes been around the block. donald trump has no idea whats in store for him. even if he is listening to those people around him and trying to prepare him, hes getting ready for a world of hurt. and i say that because theres no reason for the democrats to negotiate down to him at this point. they are going to pass the senate cr. theyre going to get it through and say, hey, mr. president, its up to you if you want to open up the government. and thats where he stands. >> t...

That if they step away from him, the base will eat him alive or hell send a nasty tweet or something. but their options are becoming limited. for starters shes needling trump that the so-called wall is becoming as she put it a beaded curtain meaning that hes now talking about a fence, or we can call it something else. shes right. he has moved his language. and what do republicans do in the senate when a bill comes, a clean cr from the house? they also passed a clean cr in the senate in the dim d...

Increasingly isolated even from republicans. and neither the president nor republicans in congress have outlined an end game to secure money for a border wall and end the partial government shutdown, which is now in its fifth day. as he unleashed his grievances, president trump even tweeted on christmas eve that he was "all alone, poor me, in the white house waiting for democrats to make a deal." im joined by mark lauder, former special assistant to president trump mark, so good to see you. >> g...

Congressman costello, let me start with you. a lot of blame going around. as someone who prides himself on fighting for bipartisan solutions to complex problems, how do you see this? >> well, this is the presidents shutdown. he said it was going to be his shutdown. the senate voted 100-0 to pass a clean cr and send it to the house. sean hannity and a few other people screamed fire. the president then fell in line behind sean hannity. we in the house vote ed, and i voted for it, for an additional...

>> heres the thing congressman costello, when the new congress gets sworn in and theyre able to fashion some sort of compromise, we dont know that theyre going to be able to pass a compromise thats veto proof. >> oh, i agree with you. youre totally on point there. look, the vote thats going to prevail here i think is the senate clean cr. i dont see how democrats -- the democratic house is not going to put more money into border security, i dont think. im not a democrat. i wont be in the house th...