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Vote for a clean c.r. by how many in your count would there be, lets say the speaker would relent? how many would vote in favor of it? >> i think in "the washington post" they were keeping track of the number of republican members who said they would support a clean c.r. the last i checked there were a little over 20 who said publicly. i think there are many privately who would vote for a clean c.r. they have just not stated so public. i believe the votes are there. its not being brought out, i ...

There were grass tops that fed the grassroots at that time. darrell issa was one of the big contributors but there were other quiet conservative contributors that created this grassroots movement that got it done. but what did they get? >> well, i think as boehner looks to figure out whether hes going to be on the same message as the tea party grassroots movement or not when he goes and offers his talking points the next couple of weeks, hes going to have to give a little bit more than we dont h...

They would vote for this, and wont do so because why take the political risk if john boehner isnt going to put this on the floor. the other point i would like to make that is i was talking to a senior republican source today who said point blank the main reason john boehner is not putting this on the floor is because that would be the end of his speakership. >> gloria borger is here with us as well and ryan lizza, our contributor from the "new yorker" magazine. a quick follow-up on that. all 200...

To end the government shutdown rereflects republican priorities. its the republican budget. the funding levels of the this short-term funding bill called the c.r. is lower than what democrats think it should be. nevertheless democrats are willing to put votes on to re open the government. so when you hear the notion that democrats arent compromising, we are compromising so much we are willing to re open the government at funding levels that reflect republican wishes, dont at all reflect our wish...

Serving independent member of congress, you say republicans are trying to hijack the government until they get their way. we see ted cruz there and what his tactics are. this morning we have 300,000 pentagon employees returning to work. hundreds of thousands remain furloughed. if we take the nbc whip count seriously, there are enough votes to pass a clean cr but john boehner is not going to do it. so you heard the new ad out is calling john boehner a croy bab. is that fair or is that an overreac...

What you can do in 11 days is a matter of uncertainty. one of the things that surprised me yesterday and i would love chuck view. boehner said there werent votes in the house to pass a clean c.r. or a clean debt ceiling limit bill which chuck schumer immediately challenged when he came on later. it comes down to a game of chicken. i actually wrote that down. to get over the debt ceiling hurdle which, to me, is more important, both sides have to give something. i dont think the president will get...

To do this. i think there is speculation about whether he would lose his speakership. i dont think it is a guarantee he would lose his speakership. i dont know if hes come to that place in his mind yet. >> its not a guarantee if he continues acting this way that hell get re-elected as speaker. thats the fun question thing. people that hold on this tight and are this fearful of the people they run usually lose in the end anyway. >> you talk about an adult in the room. there is one. his name is jo...

The government, not pay the national debt. lets use every ounce of leverage that we have. >> that was part of my conversation moments ago with independent senator bernie sanders of vermont. right now the house is getting ready to start voting on another mini funding bill for food safety. new video just came in of house speaker john boehner arriving on the hill. members of the house are due to go back into session about a half hour from now, the senate not until 2:00 p.m. joining me right now is ...

Right? >> yes, but look, the government shutdown is survivable, it is a thing nobody particularly likes. but it is and what happens is that the government, the government has to borrow more than $3 billion per day to do its basic functions. but the real problem here is what happens inside the government, it is what happened to interest rates and where people go to borrow money to buy a house or a car, you can see a return to the carter era interest levels. this freezes up the market. martha: ind...

Speakers on at massive retainers, he can play all the golf he wants. i dont really understand -- i dont know what the huge downside is for him. and its interesting that he said i dont have the votes, because that really puts the press on the line. now the media needs to go and find out. does he actually have the votes? and there are 22 republicans now who have said that they would be willing to vote for a clean cr. you add that to the 200 democrats and you have more than enough votes. >> let me ...