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Presidential elections, i would like to think it is because were talking about the policies that make a difference in peoples lives, what is happening off the elections is too many voters stay home. if i were trying to plan in secret a plot to make sure democratic voters were so angry, this might be a republican in congress shuts down the government, shuts down the food and drug administration, stops the wic, women and infants and children feeding programs, a deliberate sign of how far republica...

>> i want to worry about the debt ceiling after we get through the cr. what does congress need to do now whether its the cr or debt ceiling is we need to prevent the millions of people who are losing their jobs, who are being pushed into part time work and facing, you know, for a young healthy 30-year-old male who is single, under obama care he is going to pay health insurance premiums going up 260%. we need to address that. >> if this is more than anecdotal, if this is widespread problem that s...

In terms of presidential prospects. and i think there will be a certain amount of pressure coming to bear on the more reasonable members of the republican party. >> congressman jeffries mentioned this, is that something in your reporting youre picking up on, the external pressure, the business community, is that real right now? >> it is very weak. the business community still has not learned how to lobby republicans in a way that forces them away from the conservative base. we saw it with multip...

About obama care and they pass the cr and let it go and everything they say about it is true, the democrats are never going to win another election, so theyll have the senate, house, and in 2016, theyll get the presidency. the problem is in doing this, they crash the economy and we default, even if theyre right, theyre going to lose. the house in 2014, and may not get the presidency for some time. thats what the stakes really are right now. >> george, let me ask you about that. if obama care is ...

Of the house that would prioritize the spending. and i think youve pointed out rightly that theres a lot of revenue coming into the government. they forget to tell you about the $200 billion collected every month by the irs. taxes are still being collected. theres still plenty of revenue. >> but would you refuse to raise the debtcare? >> right now were talking about obama care with regard to opening the government. we have 95% of all this we agree on. lets get that taken care of and then lets ta...

The cr and let it go and everything they say abt is true, then the democrats are never going to win another election. theyll have a senate, house and 2016, theyll get the presidency. the problem in doing this, they crash the economy and we default, even if theyre right, theyre going to lose the house in 2014 and may not get the presidency for some time. thats what the stitts really are right now. >> let me ask you about that. if obama care is going to be such a disaster, why not let it play out?...

If hes got people on his side, why does he buckle to 30? >> i dont understand it. i really dont. i mean our colleague here dana milbank has taken to calling him spokesman because hes following his caucus instead of leading them. and i dont mean -- actually, i do mean to compare speaker boehner to speaker pelosi, but if the shoes were flipped and this was speaker pelosis house, theres no way she would have a vocal minority in her majority telling her what to do. >> let me bring it back to jonatha...

>> it does, it absolutely does, but they do that with one breath, then as you say, with the quote from the president, they say that with one breath, with the other breath say they will not accept anything else, only accept a cr. so the white house, you cant have it both ways. if they want to do it the normal way, the way that gets this done, the way we have been throwing out, democrats have come on board -- >> the american people, most people are simply exhausted by this ping pong game. going ba...

Closed down. we passed the defense appropriations bill in july. we passed the v.a. bill in june. none of it has to happen. this shows the break down in appropriations and budgeting. thats what this c.r. is about. >> the democratic viewpoint is that you are just trying to defund obama care. gut the law. >> the law of the land, channelled in the supreme court. the republicans in the house wont accept it. >> thats the democratic view but it doesnt reflect reality. with the last major c.r. we did, b...

Therefore, i really see the only solution as some sort of clean resolution being passed. >> i do disagree with you. i would just go back when president obama was senator obama. he didnt think he was going to vote and didnt vote to raise the debt limit. you know -- >> but there was no chance that we were going to be up against the debt limit when he did that. >> well, but you know what? thats an answer without an answer. i mean, either we pay the debts that we have incurred, as he has suggested, ...