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Political reporter for slate.com and a long time student reporter on the conservative movement. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> you covered that speech in 2010 before the election. hes already asking for base support for a shut down. when were you covering that at the time was it weird in the moment? or did it seem like kind of expected rhetoric? >> reporter: in the moment it was very coherent for a lot of the reasons you laid out here. and some of the quotes you were playi...

Left? >> we are going to be consistent. we have given a lot of the cr that we were ready to agree to was at the republican number. this is time for the adults in the room to take claharge. were going to press to get government open again. and if they want to have discussions about the affordable care act, entitlements, whatever, its, were there to talk. the reason that were unified is that were sticking to the principles that we were elected on. republicans talk about principle. what they have d...

Both out and give them a clean cr so by midnight they are in a place. >> bill: they are not going to do that. >> yes, they might. >> you think they might surrender in the house? >> they might. because, look, this allows them to say we tried our best and, look, the democrats and president obama were so unbelievable they wouldnt even agree to these two sensible provisions that are 80/20 winners, bill. >> bill: i have got to go, mr. rove. we are on live tonight. woulrxço5x(,iyx more as the factor ...

Going to fund a bill to fund the national parks and put moneys towards the va backlog and give d.c. the ability to operate so trash collection, et cetera wouldnt be affected. thats what they are going to do today. they dont know what they are going to do tomorrow. negotiations are not ongoing between the house and john boehner. from where they are right now, the public fallout hasnt hit to the point where they can pass a clean cr. this theory that has been circulated by some of the left and circ...

Youre doing is shutting the government down. there is no end game. there isnt even a middle game here, you cant continue with the government shut down. its going to be on the head of the republicans. instead of concentrating on what is going to happen, what really is happening with obama care focusing on that, if you pass a clean cr, if you fold on this as youre going to have to, then you pivot to where strength is. you can do the threat on the debt ceiling. polls have shown countries behind you...

In this shut down. >> right. >> as the congressman points out these are cousins, brothers, sisters and neighbors of people. the effects will be felt around the country fairly immediately. unlike the sequester. >> they will be. as you are pointing out, we have seen the president. the president has a lot of credibility here. he has gone to the republicans and negotiated in the past. he has, at times when myself and other democrats have said you should draw the line here. we cant keep going back to...

Government, the cr, for a month or two. come on, now, were better than that. >> so what is going to happen, congressman assuming the -- hold on a second, assuming the speaker holds firm and continues to insist on at least some modification of obama care and the democrats and the senate refuse. there are going to be hundreds of thousands of people lose iin their job. >> unfortunately, the government will shut down. and that is very unfortunate. but the fact is, is that i think were on very solid ...

Talked about the folks in washington, d.c. furloughed. my brother is an air force major, 1,000 mime miles from his family right now. doing search and rescue from the air force. he was just told, im not sure if you should report to work tomorrow and he is not sure how he is getting back home to be with his family when his tour is over. this will hurt everyday families. these folks are laid off and we dont know if they are getting back pay. the democrats are willing to put forth a clean cr. the re...

Wisdom on that is that there is going to be a risk here for republicans, that the blames going to be shifted on us. i dont think, though, i think theres too much value put in the argument that somehow democrats and the president have a lot to gain here politically. if you look at a lot of the numbers, this is essentially the american people looking at washington and seeing this dysfunctional entity and they will blame all parties involved. i think for the folks, having worked in this building, r...

To crisis, this is doing deep damage to our nation. and it has to end. and yet the republicans just as the congresswoman you just interviewed, she says, oh, were ready to create another crisis over the debt ceiling and december 15th, another crisis over continuing resolution. these are manufactured by our speaker boehner and his right-wing folks. theyre doing deep damage. it has to ends. >> jeff merkley, thank you for joining us. im joined by nbc chief white house correspondent chuck todd from...