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Ross would write. youre only a hero because you were captured. but you dont say it because he is a hero. colonel sheaffer, obviously youre a veteran. whats your initial response? >> john mccain was actually on a fire team fighting a fire on n a forest instead of putting his life on the line, going into a zone getting shot down. when i first met him in 03 in afghanistan, we were still in an area of afghanistan drawing fire. by all measures im aware of, hes a hero. >> youre a helicopter pilot, you...