true, is illegal. and now members of both the house and the senate are launching an investigationemean to learn more. one of them is house ways and means committee chairman, jason smith, and he joins us right now. chairmanright no, you for joini. i got to tell you, nothing nothe thanore irat the idea that they re being retaliatory. you know, they re retaliatin ar i should say, against a whistleblower who s done it the righsay, ar t way, a valiant public servant, highly credible. t and yet the idea that heha is actually being retaliated against. r what s your reaction? what s happening nex t? at t jason, it s great to be with you. let s t let s put the record out. if you look at where we wherewev we got to where we are today,e we have two whistleblowers. one that s came public and the other one we released swornell. testimony as well. both of those whistleblowers that they have now been retaliated. and that s in factn
these names are indicating here are plenty of capable people that in fact cannot only rally but can also represent the new face of the party that many need and want and have been yearning for, that donald trump s election paid for and the question is at what point will it be successful if at all? that goes back to my question to you about whether this is indeed that 1993 game or. i think you know the ten or best of this particular house make. really what you think will happen? if that s the worst question on live tv. jason: it s hard because i don t know barry i can argue both sides of this. but i think a lot of people will say okay, why is it kevin mccarthy? this is an open see. why kevin mccarthy? no typically what i hear is he has raised the most money and he ran to every district and helped get a lot of people elected. is not enough to become the speaker of the house of representatives? everybody is going to have to make up that decision. the members are going to have to go back
prices could shift. i think a lot of different things could shift this year that people are not expecting. i think people could lose their jobs as these rates continue too go up. this is very important absolutely. i am not necessarily sure how much legislation is going to happen to actually be able to elicit change. i want to make one more point. this is an interesting comparison. but when elon musk was making the bid to buy my twitter in the $44 billion, there is part of me that thinks he just wanted to ignite the conversation. and then the whole period where he was trying to back out of its because he didn t necessarily want the company, he just wanted to get people talking about it and to bring the issues to the surface. so, jason, i am wondering. if part of this political theater if you can call it that to some degree isn t for these 20 to say we are ignite in. we are coming to show our constituents and if we given eventually and you get this,
mccarthy, you better come close to our site. harris: i m sorry, bret you have to go in a minute and a half so final word on this, something to pick up from jackie on or just your own comic own thoughts on this? jason: makes a good point but the statement is how far will they go? that s where we are. giant game of legislative chicken on the house chamber floor. who is going to give first? what will the negotiation be? the little bug in the corner suggests byron donalds will be on the 1:00 p.m. eastern time show. that will be interesting to see with john and sandra because how he portrays what his intentions are now one for himself moments ago will be fascinating. you ll probably stick at 20, we haven t seen anyone added to the list we are heading to a fifth ballot, 1856 was 153 ballots so we are a long way to go.
otherwise they could stand up and make a case. that s why i think they will go potentially with lee zeldin. harris: so, jackie, i hesitate to say this because i don t even know really what this means in terms of some of the bills in play. there ve been some things on the senate side that senator mcconnell and the democrats have even agreed to some infrastructure and all of that. does this impact any of that money being spent? jackie: i don t think so. harris: so we will see and jason you are saying no. the reason i ask that is because i mean, i think, emily, you were the one. mcconnell gave his blessing to mccarthy. as a senate there were republicans and the senate will they sit purged to watch this? does anyone else come to a screeching halt while we don t have a speaker of the house? emily: and while this is all happening, first of all that was utilized leverages an argument of look, there s a lot of cohesiveness within the g.o.p.