people do we want to? what skills do we want them to have? or be happy to have doctors and nurses coming? or be happy to have fruit pickers coming because my cleaners? social care workers? what countries are we going to get them from and what limits are going to put on those visas? that s all very fair, reasonable questions. that s a separate question from how you deal with illegal migration and asylum seekers and asylum claims which is what we are seeing with people crossing the channel in the small boats and we absolutely see it as a tragic situation in various migrant processing facilities in kent. what you ve got to remember about asylum seekers and illegal crossings is that there are two main reasons that people do this, one that they are chancing their luck and they think that they might be able to make a serious asylum claim tickets excepted, but the other reason is that they are genuine refugees fleeing all kinds of situations, some of them climate related, geopolitic
the uk. we have closed off all of the uk. we have closed off all of the legal routes, it s illegal for them to try to come here as a tourist and then make an asylum claim once they are here. the claim will be denied. so the only thing they can do is try to get to the country illegally. that is a situation that the british government has engineered and perversely makes it much harder for us to sort out the genuine assigning claims, the fraudulent ones, because we have got everyone coming via these illegal routes, the at the same people trafficking gangs because there are no legal routes. that s going to be a challenge for any government, conservative, labour, immigration, buti any government, conservative, labour, immigration, but i do think it s important that we separate that something from the game. something from the numbers game. damien isn t here to defend himself, so if he to let us know we so if he wants to let us know we will give him that opportunity to explain it, but nonethe