fantastic, if you love true crime, i cohost a really great true crime podcast called small town dicks with identical detectives dan and dave. all the cases are told by the detectives that investigate them. my role is, i'm you. if you had the privilege to sit at that table and ask any question you wanted that you weren't too embarrassed to ask, that's me. and you can get it everywhere you like to listen to podcasts. we're about to launch season 9. we do about two seasons a year. we're four months old in august. it's really great. it's rev rent toward the victims. it's a pretty fantastic perspective of how -- how many dominos have to line up perfectly in order for justice to be solved. >> it's a pleasure to speak with you. i'm going to listen to that podcast. i have identical twins, so anything in that genre excites me. it's great to meet you. and thank you for all the joy