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Um, when we wrote the -- when we wrote "how democracies die" four years ago, we were -- um -- worried about the republican party because they allowed donald trump to be elected. they sorted dropped the ball and -- and failed to protect our democracy from authoritarian demagogue. but we did not expect that the entire republican party would evolve into an anti-democratic force. and thats where they are today. the entire republican party leadership, with a small handful of exceptions, is now no lon...

The upcoming testimony for former trump insiders is only one signpost to what many experts fear is not so winding road to a dark place for democracy. the path to tyranny is how fiona hill put to it me recently. here to talk more about where we are and how perhaps to change course are steven and daniel, co-authors of "how democracies die" which i cannot recommend strongly enough. steve, appreciate you being with us. we spoke last, i think, in the spring. seems like since then, we have been witnes...

You see this moment were in? >> it is pretty dark, i agree with you, anderson. um, when we wrote the -- when we wrote "how democracies die" four years ago, we were -- um -- worried about the republican party because they allowed donald trump to be elected. they sorted dropped the ball and -- and fwailed to protect or democracy from authoritarian demagogue. but we did not expect that the entire republican party would evolve into an anti-democratic force. and thats where they are today. the entire...

You know, that would make it more difficult for election officials to be able to stand up the next time around. >> yes. in fact, i think thats the greatest danger. i mean, as horrifying as january 6th was, thats probably not how democracys going to die in the united states. the way democracy will die will be a stolen election in 2024. itll be states either throwing out -- state legislatures even -- either throwing out the votes in democratic strongholds, like bolton county in georgia or maricopa...

But it came very close and so our democracy survived but just barely. and so, we shouldnt rest easy. i think we should take this very seriously. >> and, steve, now a number of states are trying to pass laws, you know, that would make it more difficult for election officials to be able to stand up the next time around. >> yes. in fact, i think thats the greatest danger. i mean, as horrifying as january 6th was, thats probably not how democracys going to die in the united states. the way democracy...

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Still be a large number of votes for trump, but its not enough to win. it would reduce the authoritarian core to 35% of the vote. and thats enough. >> i get you on a 2024 scale. im thinking more 2022. i hear you. lets reverse it for a second. people will listen and say the bookish guy from harvard, and cuomos never found something that didnt make him upset. this is nothing. this is just politics, when the democrats say somethings wrong with an election, thats okay. the republicans say it, now th...

Refusing to support any ballot, any nominees, who align with trump. so that means backing democratic candidates. it wont change, there will still be a large number of votes for trump, but its not enough to win. it would reduce the authoritarian core to 35% of the vote. and thats enough. >> i get you on a 2024 scale. im thinking more 2022. i hear you. lets reverse it for a second. people will listen and say the bookish guy from harvard, and cuomos never found something that didnt make him upset. ...