convince hostile democrats and republicans that tiktok user data will be secure from chinese government spying. joining me now is i m at your end, the chairman and ceo of cybersecurity company tenable. he was also the former director of the cybersecurity division at the department of homeland security. really appreciate you joining us this morning. look i m sure you watch some of that that five hour hearing it was quite combative and you know, we heard over and over the tiktok sea. neosho chew, making these repeated denials that the chinese government is using the app to spy on american users. but of course you also heard from the lawmakers, gina saying. we just don t believe anything. you re saying any tech takeaways. um, from you regard from this hearing. yeah, well, if you look at social media companies, they are incredible data collection platforms like massive vacuum cleaners, collecting up all sorts of information about your phone.