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And the reason these didnt become more of a pornl indictment was because he went on his showed and talked about all of them. he brought the scandal out in the open. he brought the audience into it. he explained it to the audience. im not saying it was right. and i -- but i think that thats why he got away with it. he wasnt engaged in this cover-up. he didnt go on his show the next day and pretend like nothing happened. >> right. and he made an apology a few days later after some people thought h...

David letterman, i didnt see mentioned something i spent a lot of time covering in 2009. that was the sex scandal that he was embroiled in. he would have been the target of a $2 million extortion plot. lets take a quick look at what letterman said to his audience when he revealed this. >> the creepy stuff was that i have had sex with women who work for me on this show. now, my response to that is, yes, i have. >> and those women included an intern. how was it when so many other politicians and c...

So you know, i went back to rick stengels great article in "time" magazine when jay took over the "tonight show" and he kind of -- conveyed exactly how important johnnie was to the show. but the headline, i looked at again today in "time" magazine. jay leno, midnights mayor, and it made me think, yeah, that kind of might have been the stylistic problem for jay, is that he kind of did it a little bit like a mayor, meaning he wanted everybody to like him, and he wasnt the guy who took chances. wit...

Back and really analyze jays problem in that respect, because hes, you know, been often in first place. >> oh, theres -- i forgot. he is number one in the ratings. theres that thing that everyone forgets in the story. >> yeah. even the demographic. but hes -- but, you know, theyre all neck and neck. theyre right there. dave is -- and kim. listen. i mean, you do a job for 22 years, hes done it -- hes done a great job. hes played -- hes been a loyal servant to nbc, absolutely. and i think hes to b...