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employees. >> an american doctor infected with ebola has now arrived in the united states. doctor kent bradley left west africa this morning on a specially equipped private plane a short time ago. that ambulance transported him from dobbins air force base outside of atlanta to emory hospital. this is the first time that a person with ebola has been brought to the united states. dr. brantley will be treated at emory hospital. what is the latest. >> reporter: good afternoon, the latest is that they did arrive in an isolation plane at 11:20 a.m. as you said he was transported in an ambulance followed by six or seven vehicles. it appeared that the vehicles brought over to the university. i was standing right there when the special ambulance came by. he is being placed into the special isolation you want here at emory university right now. dr. kent brantley is a doctor with samaritan's purse, the aid organization he works for, and they were the catalyst for making all of this happen. samaritan's purse contacted emory hospital who then contacted the cdc, which is next to the hospital, and then they began to alert the state department and create the evacuation. we were told that the other aid worker is expected to be here in the next couple of days. the private jet that landed, that's already gone and has taken off again we're told it's on its way to maine where it will refuel and then head back over to liberia to pick up nan nancy. a lot of moving parts. this is the first time that anyone infected with the ebola virus has stepped into the united states of america, and emory officials here believe they can maintain his health. they think they can manage the situation and get him back to fully 100% recovery. >> robert, it was interesting to see the video of the ambulance arriving at the hospital. it appeared that the doctor was wearing a hazmat suit, and he was able to walk in under his own power. any update on the beginning of his treatment phase? >> reporter: it was very interesting to see that. not quite what you had in your mind or expected. he is in stable condition, we're told. stable can mean numerous things. clearly it's very serious, he has ebola an infectious disease. but that's why the emory officials think that they can treat him and get him off to a healthy life. i know that they're working with the fda and looking at some experimental protocols. what at a means, experiment drugs or perhaps some sort of outside of the box treatments that they're working on, we're not quite sure. we can't confirm any of that yet. yesterday in the press conference the doctors did say this isolation unity has been around for 12 years here at the hospital. they worked with the cdc do design it. they have treated people, those with avian flu, but no one with the ebola victims. there is a team of nurses that they claim a couple of them are about to take vacation this coming week. they said no, we're on board and we'll help this patient get back to his healthy life and the doctors feel totally confident to make that happen. another thing to note is that with these kinds of isolation units like here at emory, which is one of four in the united states, they think this gives people who have ebola a fighting chance to get healthy and get rid of the ebola virus. in africa there is a 60%-90% mortality rate, but that's because the medical system is not up to par and they cannot treat people the way they should. if there is anyone who is concerned ebola is here to the united states, doctors say you should not be concerned. it is not airborne. it is not an easy thing to transfer. for those who are voicing concerns, there should be none at all. >> robert ray covering the situation for us. the first patient with ebola has now arrived. robert will keep us posted throughout the day. robert, thank you very much. according to the "world health organization" along with the ministries of health, there are a total of 1,323 suspect and confirmed cases of ebola which resulted in 729 deaths of the 1300 cases, 109 cases have been laboratory confirmed for the ebola virus infection. now to gaza, a suspected cease-fire is off the table for now. officials say they will not participate in negotiations today in cairo. earlier today the shelling in gaza was intense. 66 israelis have now been killed and a month of fighting. more than 1600 palestinians are dead. the united nations says 80% of them are civilians. 229,000 palestinians have been displaced. earlier we spoke with nicole johnston who has been reporting from gaza. >> reporter: they're starting to get reports in from all of our sources in gaza along the borders. we're hearing they're pulling back from the area east, areas that have been heavily hit over the last few days as well as the area north o. some of the tanks are firing as they start to pull back. they're moving closer and closer to the israeli border. today the israeli army told the people in the area this is in the north of the gaza strip that they can return to their homes. we went up to that area to see where people decided to go back and went to an united nations school just on the outskirts of it. there were 4,000 people there desperate to go home living in a school that only had enough room for 1,000 people at most. they said as much as i wanting to home and they're desperate for it, they're not going to home right now they still don't think it's safe. there is false starts and stops and cease fires and problems as we know in gaza over the last few weeks. even though we're hearing word of tanks pulling back, telling people to return to the area, at this stage people are sayin staying with they are. >> is there still firing? >> that's difficult to answer. sometimes you'll have a couple of hours where it will be very heavy and then there will be a bit of a lull. it's difficult to detect a pattern. the activity usually picks up at nighttime having said that we have had a number of airstrikes in the central part of gaza city. the danger in daylight hours including a hit on an university and a number of mosques, and we know in the southern part of gaza, ther down near rfaf, palestinian fighters taking on soldiers from the israeli army. a lot of tank shelling is being carried out in that area as well. journalists have not been able to get to it. ambulances have not been able to move around, and it is where the israeli forces have been concentrating for the last 24 hours. ever since this report of a missing israeli soldier came out. >> nicole, we can hear the muslim call to prayer behind you. what is it like for average folks where you are in gaza, what are they feeling? what are they talking about right now? >> reporter: it's been a difficult and terrifying few weeks for people. it's been a long war, longer than they're used to, remembering this is the third war that people have had in gaza in seven years. people are exhausted. they're warn down not only from the war but from the siege. you remember the bigger picture of what the people of gaza have been going through over the last seven or eight years. all of the borders are closed. the israeli borders, the egyptian borders. people are stuck inside here. at least 45% of gaza has been in combat area and people say that the remaining area that israel has said go to its safe has not been safe, and we can see that even from what we've seen. we've seen shelling and airstrikes from one end of the gaza strip to the other. people want to cease-fire that changes on the ground. they'll travel and development their economy, study abroad. export their goods and they say living in gaza under siege while it's not a war situation is like a slow death. that's how people describe it. so while people have been supportive of the palestinian factions here, they're certainly exhausted. >> nicole johnston live in gaza. the news there that it appears that some israeli tanks are start to go pull back and perhaps out of gaza. still u.s. and israeli leaders in the midst of all of this continue to apparently butt heads over the conflict in gaza. according to the associated press prime minister benjamin netanyahu has told the white house to stop calling for a truce and not second guess him again on dealing with hamas. john terrett joins us from washington. have the united states government responded to this report? >> reporter: good afternoon, david no, response from the administration in washington yet. we're hearing prime minister benjamin netanyahu is going to make a statement on television, but these are extraordinary comments coming from the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. they are direct. they are unfettered and stern. in these comments which we think took place in a telephone call that may have involved dan snyder, the u.s. ambassador to israel, and we're told secretary kerry and another leading administration official, as you said, he said don't ever second guess me on hamas again. stop calling for a truce. trust me on this issue. there is no point in a truce with hamas, and i won't send negotiators to cairo. that at a time when palestinian negotiators are on the ground in cairo waiting for peace talks to begin. this all begins 24 hours after president obama took part of an impromptu news hour that lasted 5005 mints in front of the white house which made it clear that the u.s. stands behind israel and israel has a right to defend itself but which he also said that it was heartbreaking to see women and children killed in such large numbers and he urged israel to do more to avoid civilian casualties. now as you know its unusual for the united states to criticize israel in any way much less than to name trail bu israel, and now 24 hours direct criticism coming to the united states from the israeli prime minister. >> even if the report is accurate or inaccurate, maybe it's off or dead on and prime minister netanyahu telling the obama administration saying i told you so, i told to you trust me on hamas, does this really matter? >> well, i think there are so many quotes in this there is more than a grain of truth in this report. we're going to find out more in the course of the next hour if we hear from prime minister netanyahu himself. the problem is the united states has probably done all it can. yesterday the president said look, there is nobody else out there trying to sort out this situation, only secretary kerry. the problem is both sides have got to want peace. the ball is in their corner. secretary kerry has returned last night for a well-earned break after shuffling around the middle east and europe trying to resolve this situation. and in many ways president obama put it best yesterday in that news conference when he said they've got to want it meaning both sides, the israelis and the palestinians have got to want peace. no amount of diplomacy can account for that. >> john terrett, thanks as always. coming up on al jazeera america, there was a horrific explosion in china. dozens of people were killed while we'll have the latest on that. and we'll tell i couldn't some companies want you to know just how much your coworkers are making. >> an explosion at a factory in china has left 160 people dead and others injured. it happened not far from shanghai. most of the victims suffered burns over 80% of their bodies. al jazeera's adrian brown has been following developments. >> reporter: earlier today local government officials gave a media conference and they said a preliminary investigation has shown that perhaps the explosion was caused by a flame being ignited in a dust-filled room which made it highly combustible and it was enough to see a huge fireball tearing through the workshop. there was a huge explosion that was heard several kilometers away. the bodies of many of the dead have been charred beyond recognition. the bodies of many of the survivors have 80% burns over them. that is testimony to the power of this explosion. now many of the dead were poor migrant workers from far-away provinces. they were working a saturday shift to earn extra money to send home to their families. now china's president has ordered a full-scale investigation. he sent his vice premiere here to oversee the rescue operation and oversee the inquiry and it's said no stone will be left unturned to find out what truly happened here. >> in washington, d.c. house republicans have passed investigation slowing the flow of illegal migrants crossing the border. if passed in the senate, it would provide emergency funding to manage the migrants with provisions that would allow the government to deport migrant children without a hearing. it also would allow them to be removed if they grew up in the united states and are now adults. there is a trend in open companies to gecompanies for open salary information. >> he has no qualm telling you how much he makes. >> i make $145,000, the top band for our organization. >> for atkinson and employees, knowing each other's salaries is just part of working here. it produces what he calls the evils of traditional hiring. >> i've never been in a company where salaries have not leaked out at some point and cause a huge amount of damage. in the past when i meet with a woman and man and they offer themselves up at salary ratios and i would take what it is that they were looking for, and in the end you create damage and in their salaries that will haunt. >> you some employees can access a list with everyone's salary on an internal which canny document. it's part of a growing trend of companies who say transparency is king. yours and governments in 40 u.s. states make a regular habit of posting employee salaries onli online. >> governments do it, sports teams, lots of companies in the world do it. it works. >> tech startups are doing it, too. social media company buffer goes as far to list staff salaries on website. the company said it was inundated with resumés. a study on pay transparency for the advance human resources studies found that pay transparency worked much better than pay secrecy in keeping employees engaged and productive. but a transparent salary isn't for everyone. >> i'm sure conversely we gain far better people. >> it was both uncomfortable and uncomfortable at the same time. >> reporter: scott started there may first. he said having open salaries changed the dynamics in the office. >> it removes a layer that can be frustrating. >> reporter: the larger strategy is fundamental. they say it builds trust. there are down sides as well. atkinson said he has had to have tough conversations with employees about why they are not paid as much as a colleague. >> most companies you can lean on the fact no one knows anything to get around awkward moments. here you have to express what is happening and communicate across the board which is a lot more work. >> reporter: mary snow, al jazeera. >> tropical storm bertha is making it's way to puerto rico. we'll explain why folks living along the east coast will want to keep an eye on this weather system. and thrill seekers at one amusement park got more than they bargained for. >> welcome back to al jazeera america. i'm david shuster with the day's headlines at this hour. an american doctor infected with ebola is back in the united states. he arrived by ambulance just before noon today. there he is getting out of the ambulance and walking to the special quarantine unit at emory hospital in atlanta. israel is pulling tanks back away from some areas but there has been intense shelling today. israel said it will not attend cease-fire talks in cairo. as 2014 marks 100 years since the start of world war i there were far more consciencous detecters from the war than thought. we go to meet a community of quakers who refused to fight. >> reporter: a focal point for opposition to war, david robson's ancestors were at the center of it. >> so there were at least eight ro robsons here. >> yes. >> it was an important thing to have done and i'm very pleased to be a part of the--to be a quaker who is following in that tradition. i owe what other people ahead of me started. >> reporter: the men who refused to fight, the quaker community who helped persuade military tribunals of their case are now a part of what is emerging to a larger opposition to the floor than previously recognized. a thriving mill town at the time of the 20th century but the crushing poverty here politicized many people. the story persists that the war was universally supported. it wasn't here. from the start of the industrial evolution this part of northern england had been a part of protest. and so by the time 1914 arrives there was already a sizable body of opinion prepared to make a direct equation between the excesses of capitalism at home and the reasons for war. this nearby village looks as peaceful as can be, but in 19th 17 the streets look like this. hundreds of socialists railing against imperial yoism his grandfather felt that soldiers were being sacrificed for capitalism, and for that he would do hard time. >> it wasn't in any way a class vehicle. >> this is a list of all the men who refused to fight as conscripts. not only is it thousands more than originally thought it includes those who hid the men from authorities. >> their moms, daughter, families, fathers and mothers, too. we're deal with more than a movement which deals with objectors, but a movement in certain parts of the world that reflects and grows from a local, radical community which took it's own view on the war. >> reporter: jailed and accusations of cowardice always threatened those who wouldn't follow the line that it was a patriotic duty to find. others would see it a treachery, but here they regard it as a source of heroism. al jazeera, had you haddersfield. >> the second named storm of the season is headed to puerto rico. >> meteorologist: yes, they're bracing for it, and they're welcoming it in puerto rico because they're in a moderate drought that continues across a southern portion of the area, and there have been crop losses. they were about to ration water. watch the storm this could help break the drought there were granted there is heavy rain and widespread power outages but the rain could be beneficial to see where the rain is coming down. the storm is south of the island and continuing to move north. wind at 50 mph and continuing to move west-northwest 22 mph. then we watch it turn to the north-northeast. this is the area of the tracks, so it's a bit off the coast. it could go on the western side of this and impact the areas that are seeing heavy rain now. that would be tuesday and wednesday. do not want to see that because we're not dealing with a drought here in north carolina. we have too much rain coming down. the satellite plus the radar shows an area of heavy rain moved up the coast this morning. more moisture coming in to the front that has stalled. that equals a bit more rain coming down on top of areas that don't need the rain. right here in eastern north carolina. areas in virginia could see an additional three inches over the next three days. glad watches are in effect and the rain will push its way to the north over the next few days. the southwest need the rain in southern california. we don't see much today but we could have thunderstorms developing and that could lead to flash flooding happening across the southwest later this afternoon. >> thank you very much. apparently the worse fear was realized by some in a theme park in new jersey. a rollercoaster lost power and was stuck on its ascent. riders had to walk downstairs along the track in order to get down. the coaster called nitro is advertised as gut munching. frighfrightening. i'm david shuster on al jazeera america. we'll see you later. >> new dawn in beijing, the ancient capital of the world's fastest growing country, home to the 2008 olympics. it's the vibrant centre, the super power, where 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ShanghaiChinaNorth-carolinaUnited-statesBeijingMill-townCaliforniaVirginiaLiberiaWashingtonDistrict-of-columbiaGaza-strip in the strain of american political thinking to the right. living. other years ago. or a hundred years ago. what happens when you get hung up on that. when you get wrapped up in the past and you cannot go forward. >> according to what we are saying is that there should be two kinds path ol geez living too much in the present moment. what is more productive for prosperity. and achieving your long-term goals would be to have the wherewithal and the outlook to look forward with your life and to decide what you will need to look forward to. and write your own script and have the wherewithal to forego the present satisfaction in the name of and the service of achieving the long-term goal. that would be botched up by getting hung up in the past. froid's definition of mental illness. or being too much interested in the immediate immediate gratification or living in the present we don't even want our children to go to high school because fat high-spirited high-mindedness but we touch on somewhat playfully whether or not it could va superiority based on we have the most humility. but put that aside the most interesting thing is insecurity because this is how we are using the turn. we are talking about insecurity within a system. i have been proven to people in the system, to others here whether it's in my family or society. chris cicely with the amish live by is their creed is we don't accept the modern world's values. we don't want our people to feel they need to strive and to do with society demands or to succeed in those ways. they don't have, not only did they not have insecurity as we define it their whole religion is based on that and the result is and hats off to them. there's a fascinating section where their kids are playing little league baseball and that's fine intel some start seeming like they want to win. you can't be competitive. for obvious reasons they are the poorest groups in the united states because they don't want to be successful in that way. >> host: it's interesting they are certain cultures where striving is considered wrong so there is a religious aces and the amish is considered sinful. if you look at elite white protestant society striving was not sinful but those words something that you wouldn't want to show at least that you are interested in climbing. >> guest: then you have the original. >> guest: a mid-20th century. in these cultures what we are saying is that they lack the element and insecurity as we define it so the amish are teaching their kids to find security in their faith and their traditional practices and so they don't -- here's what insecurity is. you are not good enough then you have to do more. the teacher kids you should feel good enough for the simple things we have. similarly but completely in a different way privileged whites in america but this is also true in england as aristocratic whites teach their children don't strive and feel like you have to prove yourself. you see in both cases in fact we were just recently talking about being. >> guest: they have superiority in and no insecurity. no rising from where they started. they start off wealthy and could stay that way. this is a favorable review. the scots have it. >> host: let's close by talking about the united states. you have touched on it a little bit as it relates to our historical documents but you both seem worried that we were eight happy nation and for a variety of reasons have become less so. is it possible as a nation to become more? it sounds like as you talk in the book it's possible for groups or individuals but as a nation do we define ourselves as opposition to something? >> guest: now we are just talking about an allergy. the last chapters of thought experiment. we look at why we do say that in some ways and in some ways america was born with these three elements and everybody knows about it american exceptionalism the city on the hill the best system. we always for most of our history have insecurity from being the underdog, look down on by europe and we always need to show ourselves. there's the soviet union and the puritan origins of impulse control and we don't need to repeat that that is jed says there has been this interplay of rebelliousness and question authority which is what nixon america what it is. we have immigrants that come in with the triple package elements but in a good way that gets gets exploded at a new energy so not everybody just working all the time. what we say at the end of the book is that after the soviet union fell for the first time in our entire history we had no more rifle and navy we were left with just the major superiority complex at the respect of the other two and as we say it's better than the superiority complex which has massive problems anyway is tempered by the sense that you have to prove yourself. i don't know if you want to -- >> guest: the first question would you want a country to have the triple package and that's a serious question and requires, you have to have an intelligent answer to that first of all why you would want your country to have it. the superior to complex comes with terrible things and they make people do terrible things. we argue in the last chapter that america has available to at the sense of exception out the based on the quality democracy and inclusiveness. in terms of insecurity and impulse control yeah i think i would be willing to say americans could use it does more of impulse control. there are so many domains where you can identify it whether the national debt this inability to stop borrowing and throwing this huge debts on the shoulders of our children or whatever it is. insecurity, yes i think there is a good argument to be made that people do better in times of adversity and so you know maybe there is a perverse silver lining to the financial political and military problems we have had. >> host: i was going to say have the last sentence. >> guest: is going to say china is a good example of a country that described by china scholars as a strong sense of superiority with massive dose of humiliation by the west so that's a nice oil for us. >> host: amy chua and jed thank you for talking to us about the triple package. >> guest: thanks very much. nicholas freudenberg discusses how the food tobacco alcohol pharmaceutical and other industries have negatively impacted public health and the offers ways for the public to respond. this hour-long program is next on book tv. >> i am marion nestle and it's my pleasure to start this panel. i just want to say it's a great honor to be here to launch nukes look. nick said that to me through a blurb and i was really happy to get that. i get lots of requests for blurbs but i don't usually write them quite like i wrote this one. i know you have -- it would embarrass you too much if i read the blurb. cover your face. [laughter] here is what i said and i meant every word. a superb, and magnificently written courageous and compelling exposé of how corporations enrich themselves at the expense of public health and how we can organize to counter corporate power and achieve a healthier and more sustainable food environment. they should be required reading for anyone who cares about promoting health, protecting democratic institutions and achieving a more equitable and just society. not bad. and i meant every word of it. nick asked me to talk specifically about what we have learned from attempts and fights to try to change food industry practices. my area of research is through politics and i've written a lot of looks. i'm currently working on one about the soda industry coca-cola and pepsico and my comments are going to be based on some of the work i've been doing on that. my starting position in all of this is to make sure that people understand that corporations are not social service agencies. even ones that sell food that we love to eat. they are businesses with stockholders to please and that is absolutely their first responsibility and their first responsibility legally and sometimes it gets into -- the easiest example to talk about his coca-cola and pepsico because they make products with sugar and water nothing else and than there is now increasing evidence that sugar-sweetened beverages are associated with problems like obesity and all of the conditions for which obesity is a risk factor and this is correlation. it's not causation but by this time the amount of evidence that has accumulated and is building up show that sugars are in large quantities are harmful and in liquid form they may be even more harmful. as robert lustig who is a component of sugar is poison these days sitting in a quiet corner this is a dose bottle and that does and really it's not such a problem to have sugar once in a while. as anybody who knows me will say a soda isn't poison one a week or a small one a week or every few days nobody's going to worry about. it's the large amounts that bring public health people to the great where their eyebrows raised. the amount of sugar in sodas is pretty staggering. it's about one teaspoon per ounce so for a 20-ounce soda it's going to be 20 teaspoons. they add up quickly and because of the way he sodas are flavored you don't really know that it's that sweet and most people are astounded when they realize how much sugar is in sodas. adults and children who drink sodas are heavier and have worse diets and have a much more problem with chronic disease than people who don't. getting people to drink less soda has become an increasingly important health goal and lots and lots of places are working on ways to encourage people to drink less soda. in order to work in this area you immediately encounter a great deal of opposition from soda companies who really don't like the idea that people are going to be stripped away their market to children, removed their products from schools, tax them and as we saw in new york and attempts to reduce the size of the largest produced amount that you can drink or buy at any one time or most recently putting limits on soda cans. the soda industry has responded to these kinds of initiatives in ways that for those of us who aren't millionaires find absolutely staggering that put millions and millions of dollars into fighting efficacy attempts. so advocates have to be clever, smarter and more sophisticated if they are going to make any progress. i think advocates aren't making progress because just this week coca-cola announced its fourth quarter earnings from last year. it its sales of sodas are down. they have been declining at a pretty steady rate since about 1998 and they are continuing to decline. the last drop was about 9% which is a big drop in one year. of course with soda companies are doing is moving their marketing overseas. if this sounds like something that you have heard before because it begins to remind you of what happened in with the cigarette companies, that is not an accident. so standard advocacy methods need to take into consideration the fact that any advocacy program is going to be greatly outspent and we saw that. just one example in the tax initiative in richmond california in which soda companies outspend advocates for the tax by a factor of 87 to one. richmond california is a very very poor community in the east bay. the average income is about $23,000 a year. it's 80% minority black and hispanic and it has extremely high rates of obesity and type ii diabetes, among the highest in the state and also the highest consumption of sodas in the state so it was a reasonable place to attempt to put on a soda tax event lost in part because it was outspent by this enormous percentage. i think there were other reasons why it was outspent. those reasons have to do with the lack of community organizing around the soda tax. the issue kind of came out of the city council and the was just kind of dumped jumped on the city without a lot of work in the community to try to see how the community would react to it and how the community could be encouraged to support a public health measure that didn't look on its face as if it was in the community's best interest. there was no community and there was really essentially no community effort to do that and very little attempt to get allies and for those of you who remember what happened in new york city around the soda camp i think some of those same problems occurred here where as far as i could tell the mayor just dropped the 16-ounce soda cap onto the lap of everybody in people at to figure out on-the-fly how to respond to it created the soda industry was much better prepared to deal with the idea of the soda cap because they had been working in the minority community for about 50 years. they have a long long history of supporting community organizations in the minority community and i don't think the city was prepared for the enormous pushback on this. i would give anything to know how much the soda industry spent on the attempt to defeat the 16-ounce soda cap. i got a personal mailing to my home and my research assistant one -- went out and talk to people and students who were on the street wearing t-shirts saying don't let the man decide what you are going to. when he asked them how much they were earning and who paid their salaries they were getting $30 an hour. it was the best job in new york, let me tell you. they're actually turns out to be an academic literature on how to do the to do the efficacy and that literature derives from the social movements of the past, the civil rights movement, the environmental movement and there are books and articles in all kinds of materials. i'm actually teaching a course at nyu this semester on food efficacy. what i try to teach the students is to try to do it right. in order to do it right you have to identify what the problem is, choose a goal for addressing the problem, develop a very strong research-based rationale for the goal, for the problem and for the goal that you are trying to reach. you have to develop an effective frame and i've had it means the way you are going to talk about your condition to the public in a way that has some kind of emotional resonance with the public. the soda industry is much better at doing that than advocates are and then engage allies and this means a lot of community organizing and doing what is actually classic public health. if you are going to do a classic public health program planning and evaluation you go into the community and find out what the needs are, work with the community to figure out how best to address those needs. and that takes a long time and a lot of effort. you need to be able to address opposing views and have answers and ways of dealing with the kinds of issues that your opponents are going to raise. there needs to be a big public education campaign that goes along with any kind of food efficacy and then of course if you're really doing it right you need to do an ongoing evaluation of what you are doing and then adjust accordingly. this is much much easier in theory than it is in practice. in my class i send my students how to advocate and they come up against the reality very quickly. i think the issues of community engagement and establishing frames turned out to be the things that are the hardest for them. the soda industry for example frames the whole question of freedom to choose. it's pretty hard to beat that one and public health has a much harder time figuring out how to say well if you do this now your health than 20 years is going to be a lot better than it would he otherwise. i don't think that one flies very easily and then the whole issue of community organizing is absolutely critical so that the communities have a vested interest in their own health goals. and i think there is lots of this going on. there is efficacy around food issues and soda issues going on all over the country. there are numerous cities and states that have tax initiatives and the most recent one comes from california, where the california legislature has proposed a warning labor on soda soda -- warning label on soda cans and was going to happen with that i have no idea going going to to guess that the soda industries in sacramento and forced right now. it will be very interesting to see. the advocacy strategies here is to try to do these things in as many places as possible in order to require the soda industry to spend as much money as it possibly can fighting it. we will see how it comes out. in any case if you want to read nick's book, and read mine too. at. [applause] >> there a number of empty seats. if you have an empty seat next to maybe raise your hand for a minute and people can walk from either side to find an empty seat to sit. [inaudible conversations] >> you know it's always interesting when you work for an interfaith organization, the syndrome of avoiding the front row is universal. it's just one of those things that unites us. hello again. i'm laura berry and i noticed a look of puzzlement as my checkered past was described. and so let me just share one little piece that did not come up but somehow or rather feels like this full circle closure moment for me. during those five years where i was a chemical engineer, true story, my specialty was beer can manufacturing. now of course beer cans in soda cans are pretty much the same thing but what could chemical engineers in the beer can or otherwise known as the metal container industry know, that you all may not know is that in fact, the coating to prevent the oxidation of the aluminum can needs to be far stronger and far more aggressive for soda than it does for beer. so i note there is wind in the back. there is however no soda and i think there is a reason for it as public health professionals. the other thing that i learned from marion is that i don't have the book actually but if i ever write one, mary ann is writing the blurb. there is absolutely no question about that. working however at the interface center on corporate responsibresponsib ility and i think in a public-health crowd i am really confident that this is a group that understands complex systems and understands the interplay between the individuar society and how some of the problems that we as a society create even though as individuals we are rigorously committed to avoiding, getting that dynamic right is a very interesting challenge. so throughout my career which is has kind of had the theme of problem solving for public good, just in different kinds of venues, the idea being in the capital markets is a very interesting place to be because in the capital markets, like it or not i think there are folks who have said many times that capitalism may be an unfair greed-based systems however we have not yet come up with an alternative that works as well. and so when you think about this idea of allocating capital, how do we make money flow, what is it that investors do? you start to ask yourself is it working and then you start to think about problems like climate change for you think about problems like the public-health crisis that we are exploiting all over the world with obesity. all of a sudden you start to say gosh maybe there's a better system because we are certainly not pricing externalities properly. coming from the interfaith center on corporate responsibility and by the way the $100 billion is not ours ours, we just organize investory long history of straddling the line between movement holding and access to power because of our role as investors. this all goes back to the apartheid south africa years. i will not tell that whole long story but what i will say is that a movement began where investors primarily in faith institutions who had patent funds who had foundations, who had mission related money started to say if we are going to fund a mission with these profits, if we are going to ensure that our ministers retire with dignity someday, if we are to be able to travel around the world doing whatever it is we de feel our capital is being justly allocated. we need to take responsibility for it and that is where this whole notion of corporate social responsibility for started to bubble up in the 1970s. fast-forward from the anti-apartheid movement through civil rights and all of a sudden you have an organization like icc are celebrating our 43rd year of operations and we have it come very specific with the issues that we take on and very broad in the approach. one of the things that i absolutely loved about nick's book was that he took a belief six sectors and looked at the interplay of marketing, of different roles that the corporate consumerist complex if you will has used to sort of condensed folks, their customers to do things that aren't good for them. and so the work of the investors at iccr and the challenges that on the one hand we are investors we have pension obligations and in fact when you think about investors you know there's always this tension about short-term investing versus long-term investing and frankly as faith-based investors i would argue we actually have the longest time horizon of eternity. so we take this stuff very very seriously. we are trying to not only encourage corporations across a number of miss priced externalities to change how they operate but we are also absolutely convinced and i think that the record bears this out, that by paying attention to these miss priced externalities, by sitting down with companies in talking about something that may not look like a profit oriented conversation, that we actually anticipate problems and opportunities in the marketplace. one of the reasons that corporate america that's us into the boardroom, into the conference room to raise some of these issues that can be uncomfortable, they can be challenging and that can be on the surface threatening to their business and threatening to profitability, one of the reasons they do that is they know we are straddling this line we are investors that we are also investors who represent organizations that are working for the social good and we want them to do well and do good at the same time. what does this all have to do with food politics? at iccr we have a group known as the access to nutrition group. we have the odd situation in modern society both wrestling with obesity and having lack of access to good healthy food. we believe very strongly that corporate america has a huge role in this. in the very same way that in the 70s folks who made, manufactured and marketed breast milk substitutes in countries where breast milk was the clear best choice for infant morbidity and mortality, that by helping companies to see that their investors might have a different point of view on issues like how they report their political contributions so that kind of lobbying that marion talked about, right now there is absolutely no requirement for corporations to report to the sec where they are spending their money to support political candidates. and oh by the way corporaticorporati ons are not a whole bunch of things but one of the things they aren't his people. so no matter what citizens united had to say about the right of corporations to spend public dollars the reality is shareholders see this very differently so we are encouraging companies to report their lobbying expenditures and if you are a shareholder, if you either own individual shares or you have a retirement plan with craft or you on mutual fund shares you -- need to do one simple action to encourage the kinds of activism that iccr represent than this area. write a letter to your mutual fund company and say could you tell me how you voted on corporate lobbying disclosure? it will be annoying and troublesome for them but the good ones will write back. they will give you the answer and they will let you know if they will say you know what we voted for disclosure so first corporate lobbying political expenditure disclosure. in the world of food politics is extraordinarily important because regulations or shutdown time at her time because of this. investors are looking to companies to improve the nutritional balance of their product portfolios. whether you are an advocate of fun food or better for your food or whatever the reality is that in the marketplace higher nutrition foods are more profitable. it can be shown by some unlikely suspects and using that business case is very important as an investor while you are also trying to accomplish the role of getting some of the less healthy options out of the marketplace. strengthening commitment to responsible marketing. companies are very very clever about how they market unhealthy product portfolios. again the around the idea of choice and they are trying to sell their product to make a buck. they are our practices and standards that are being developed. marion works very hard on some of these things and as consumers we can make our voices known by what we buy but who we talk to and how we advocate. expanding access to healthy choices. one of the things that values-based investors do is not only look at the companies they buy and their stock portfolios but also start to look at to whom they lend money and so for example in many many urban neighborhoods where there are food deserts there are more and more companies or more and more investors particularly in the committee in which i work that are aggregating monday -- money to fund high quality agribusiness to fund's nutritional stores, to fund all sorts of development. the city of detroit which is my hometown you see a particular emphasis there and then finally and this is something that is very familiar to the public health community, labeling. how a product is labeled, how easy are they to code? if you are going to make the argument that we are in the business of consumer choice and if somebody wants to buy a soda and they want to buy 47 pounds 47 pounds -- 47,000 ounces we should at least help them make good decisions of good front of package labeling, things like the healthy heart check, the american heart association's heart check labeling. these kinds of techniques, encouraging companies to take them on his part of what iccr and its members do. there is huge limitations as investors but what i will say is that if you have a pension plan, if you invest in mutual funds, if you have a bank account, in any of those areas you have a second place to let your voice be known and there are lots and lots of techniques that are available. i encourage you to look at our web site to see some of them. there is a wonderful tension between investors, movement people and the corporations for which they engage and we can do a lot together by mobilizing capital and mobilizing investor voices and mobilizing advocates. thank you for your attention. [applause] >> thank you lore. thank you marion and thank you all for coming. it's such an honor to be here with all of you tonight. in public health, we have learned that every society faces the health threats that are distinct political and economic arrangements made. for the united states and increasingly the whole world that threat comes from chronic diseases and injuries and just a few numbers tell the story. chronic diseases cause seven out of 3010 deaths in united states and 49% of americans have one or more chronic diseases which account for three out of every $4 we spend on health care. that's nearly $7900 a year for every american with chronic disease. by 2030 chronic disease such as heart disease cancer stroke and diabetes will cause more than three-quarters of all of deaths in the world and their cost of the world economy over the next two decades is estimated at ortous $7 trillion, trillion. injuries are the other leading cause of death and disability both in the u.s. and globally and especially for young people. global -- local crash tests are protected to -- projected to increase from 1.2 million in 2002 to 2.1 million in 2030 primarily due to increased motor vehicle fatalities associated with economic growth and low and middle income countries. in addition road crashes injure up to 50 million people a year and children are the frequent victims. in the second half of the 20th century violence and suicide became increasingly important causes of death in young people contribute in between a quarter and a third deaths in young men aged 10 to 24 in all regions of the world. by the early 21st century injuries especially from cars and guns were the dominant cause of death unknown young women and men in most parts of the world. now the conventional explanation for these increases is growing affluence, changing lifestyles and of course in part that's true. in epidemiology our task is to uncover the cause of the causes to go a little deeper so he can find more effective prevention strategies. in "lethal but legal" i make the case that the fundamental cause of the rising burden of chronic diseases and injuries is the emergence of what i call the corporate consumption complex, borrow in from president eisenhower's 1961 warning that the military industrial complex that emerged after world war ii posed a danger to our democracy and well-being. i show a network of consumer corporations banks. associations public rations firms and bought scientists and politicians coalesced to reassert authority over politics and economy. the corporate consumption complex solidified in response to changes in the global economy and the consumer and environmental movements of the 60s and 70's. in the next two decades the complex became the dominant voice in american society. and what is its relevance to health? to advance its agenda and ensure continued economic growth. the complex developed the ideology of what i call hyperconsumption. by this i mean the promotion of lifestyles, health behaviors, social environments and policies that encourage consumption associated with premature death and preventable illness and injury. in the book i describe how the alcohol automobile firearms food and beverage pharmaceutical and tobacco industries developing marketing, product design, lobbying and other practices have created art current burden of ill health. this analysis offers both bad news and good news. the obvious bad news if this assessment is right in order to achieve the most basic national and global health goals we are going to have to take on the world's mightiest economic and political institutions. if we simply want to leave our children and grandchildren a world where they can expect to be as healthy as our generation, if we want to shrink the rowing socioeconomic and racial ethnic inequalities in health that characterizes city, our country and the world we are going to have to change how corporations design and market their product, how they interfere with democratic processes and how they damaged the environments twos sustain life. here is the good news. [laughter] only a few thousand corporations produce most of the world's goods and services. shouldn't it be easier to change how a not so many companies do business than to help the billionaire or so people who are overweight to lose pounds or the 1.3 billion smokers in the world to quit and to prevent more young people for its taking up the habit or to help the 140 million alcoholics and the many more problem drinkers to cut down on the drinking that is killing them? the conventional thinking says if only people were better educated and more responsible our health would improve. but sadly empirical evidence does not support that view. there are no data to suggest that global increases in tobacco alcohol and unhealthy food consumption results from growing ignorance and your responsibility. no evidence to global increases in gun and auto deaths and injuries come from new generations list able to drive or shoot. no evidence of the growing rates of harm inappropriately used prescription drugs come for more ignorant consumers. there is however ample evidence that the relentless marketing of these products the ubiquity of their ability and the makers political manipulations have contributed significantly to the increased use and harm. in louis lewis harold's through the looking glass though queen urges alice to imagine six impossible things before breakfast. alice responds there is no use trying. we can't believe in possible things. i dare say you haven't had much practice replace the queen. when i was your age i always did it for half an hour a day. building a movement that can successfully challenge the corporate consumption complex and its practice of hyperconsumption will require a magic name and then carrying out for tasks that many would today consider impossible. for the next five minutes i want us to practice the impossible thinking. first, we need to evaluate past successes change in corporate practices and extract the lessons, the practical lessons that can guide the creation of more powerful, cohesive and successful movements. our success in creating the food and drug administration in 1906 thank you upton sinclair for your exposé in the jungle and cutting pesticide use in our food in the 1960s. thank you rachel carson, are two examples of how scientists writers and social movements forced government and corporations. from these and other successful campaigns we can extract lessons for cooking up a successful movement and these lessons can guide tract is for emerging movements doing gauge people's minds and emotions to invite new partners and to prepare to take on the task of confronting corporate power. impossible task number two. we need to construct and popularized an ideology of health and hypocrisy that can successfully compete with corporate consumption ideology in its prescriptprescript ion of hyperconsumption. for many people around the world hyperconsumption is the norm. the very definition of modern society. alternatives are seen as primitive, undesirable or it best utopian and unattainable. in this view sense you would choose to give up his lifestyle voluntarily the only possible route to a different future is the dreaded nanny state in which government hectors its citizens and deprives them of lives pleasures. it's a tribute to the corporate consumption complex that these police are so common, to persuade people that a lifestyle that brings many of its adherents premature death painful illness horrible suffering preventable injuries is highly desirable is really a remarkable achievement. any movement that wants to mount a successful challenge to hyperconsumption must offer attractive alternative patterns of consumption. creating alternatives to hyperconsumption requires two simultaneous processes. we need to reduce the demand for unhealthy products and reducing the supply and also reduce the supply and promotion of these products. movement organizers often debate which should be primary working on the supply-side or the demand side but in my view the most effective approaches to pursue both, reducing the demand and the supply of unhealthy products and to do those things simultaneously with one friend reinforcing advances in the other. impossible task number three. we must weekend and dismantle the corporate consumption complex, that powerful alliance of corporations and their supporters that dominate politics, the economy and society. this most impossible dream hits up against margaret thatcher stick to them that there is no no -- corporate capitalism. it's as inevitable as the air we read but as long as corporations occupy her mind, our media, our shopping malls and political processes they will have an advantage in shaping patterns of consumption and discouraging healthy or more alternatives. thus, the corporations from their privileged positions as essential to ask. our consciousness, our communities and our political processes. in the book i describe some of the ways that act as this, health professionals, governments and movements have reduced the power of corporations to shape environments, behaviors and lifestyles that influence our health. these responses are as varied as the african-american community group in philadelphia that forced reynolds company to end testmarketing for a new cigarette uptown market to blacks. they did it by organizing a coalition of civil rights, health religious and community groups to say no not in our community. we claim the right to say no or our community. another example in california standing up to the global global auto and district to set more stringent standards for air pollution and fuel efficiency. to the recent apparent success of the coalition of labor environmental and health groups two and fast-track approval of the transpacific hardener ship, corporate written. deal that would give new rights to the tobacco industry and drug companies and a very important victory that they seem to be successful in stopping congress from getting fast-track approval for that. each of these campaigns led to one small victory. woven together they can lead to a tipping point of change. the antidote to there is no alternative is the message another world is possible. as public health professionals as researchers, as public intellectuals we have to use every ounce of our imagination to bring that message to wider audiences and practical, respectful and maybe even entertaining ways. the final impossible task is to weave these strands of activism into a whole movement. to do so we need to forge in practice a policy agenda that offers a vision of a healthier more democratic future that unites organizations working to change the role of corporations in our society and to provoke an ongoing dialogue of this lasted just six possible planks for such an agenda going into more detail in the book. first expand consumer's right to know and corporations duty to disclose the health consequenconsequen ces of corporate practices and products. second require corporations to pay for the health and environmental consequences of the products and practices. third, establish global standards for product design and marketing. shame on us that our success in controlling the tobacco industry here in the united states is going to lead to a billion premature tobacco deaths mostly in africa asia and latin america in the 21st century and let's make sure when we work on the food industry that we don't allow that to happen in the same way. fourth we need to restore public ownership of science and knowledge he. fifth, we need to restore the visible hand of government and public health protection. and finally we need to prevent corporations from using their money and power to manipulate democratic processes. in the book i provide a rationale and some examples for each of these plans. as the movement makes progress in achieving these goals the lack of imagination that manufacture described may dissipate. as organizers learn that broaden and deepen their appeals the movement will create new opportunities for success. movements never grow in linear predictable fashions. c.s. lewis wrote one moment there had been nothing but darkness. the next moment a thousand points of light leaped out. today thousands of organizations around the world are lighting up the many paths that can lead to the end of corporate practices that promote hyperconsumption pre-mature death and preventable injuries. we don't know yet which passed a dead-end zone which will lead to transform your tipping points point that will show another world is possible to what we do know is this the says usual will ensure growing health burdens increasing inequality rising environmental damage and deteriorating democracy. will our society grasp its opportunity to chart a different future? the choice is ours. think you. [applause] >> well, a riveting and challenging presentation. hopefully it will open the door for a lot of discussion tonight. i was in a car and came at me something that gave me such a physical reaction that i had to think about it. it was an ad for an e-cigarettes it had been so long since i had heard on the radio and add for a cigarette of any color, nature, form abc or otherwise. it reminded me that what nick is suggesting to us is an ongoing and continuous endeavor. there is no stop. there is no endpoint create this is something that we have to be vigilant about, we have to be serious about and we have to be consistent about. the impact is greater today because of the communications industry that spreads messages very effectively amongst us and influences people in a very direct way. thank you for being vigilant. thank you for being consistent. thank you for being forceful. these are the kinds of advocates that we need. the floor is open to your questions please. please come up to the microphone. please introduce yourselves and we will try to find the right responded to your question. >> hi. my name is natalie ferguson. i work in the capital markets division so this is directed toward you laura. i have a question on how to make a change within the company. we are issuing stocks but how do you make sure you do it for a stable company and how do you change that culture from within when you are talking about the risk framework or any of that? >> oh that is such a good question and i could give such a long answer. to honor the question would require a whole other panel but let me give you some quick ideas and a little bit of follow up. there is a wonderful paper that was done by behavioral economists at the london school of economics called understanding voice and it talks about what the secret sauce is and act iccr how it is that we have found internal advocates within companies and how we have helped support them with facts and businesses. there's a whole bunch of other organizations that can do that but i think the trick is to first evolve not forget what the corporation and its culture is about. so to come at it, even if you as we are coming at many of these questions from doing the right thing, if i may even use a more morality standpoint, it just ain't right, stop doing it, it out you know? making the business case and business case in a really thoughtful pragmatic way is incredibly powerful. there are a lot of people that can help you with that. i think beyond that, having an inside outside game, having folks like advocates and folks like investors who will take the heat so you can say we have had it happen all the time and corporate dialogs where we will have the sort of tense conversation about changes we want the company to make. and then we will leave the that meeting and someone from senior management will come up and say thank heavens you said that. i can't say that but you can. so i think those are just two techniques that can really create a lot of energy around change, making good strong case and having an inside outside game on top of that. i hope that helps. look up the paper because it's actually really good. >> good evening. thank you dr. freudenberg. i have my book on order and i'm ready to read. i am a registered dietitian and i know within the academy of nutrition and dietetics one of the issues is kind of some people feel like corporate sponsorship working together with corporations is kind of an immoral issue in some people feel like it's okay that you have to work with and you can be a separate entity so even within that organization there is really a lot of debate. there are a lot of partnerships with corporations and even and i've gone to some expos. i feel a certain way about it but you have dietitians that work also within these corporations as well and they also owned the good products and also the maybe not so good. i don't know of one way to speak to partnerships. i know that we have to have a multilevel approach but this is kind of the big issue especially within that organization. thank you. >> i don't even know where to begin on that one. i am not a dietitian so i'm speaking as somebody who is outside the organization but it's an organization that is completely sold out to the food industry. what that has done to the credibility of dietitians is really difficult because although there are many dietitians within the organization who are extremely concerned about this they are greatly outnumbered and also there is a long history of the involvement with food corporations. when i wrote my book for politics one of my unstated goals was to get the american dietetic association which is now the academy for nutrition and dietetics, to stop issuing fact sheets that were sponsored by food corporations because you could look at the fact sheet and just look at the topic and look at who the sponsor was then you would know exactly what it would say. so if monsanto sponsored it was going to be about how genetically modified foods were terrific and if coca-cola sponsored it a was going to be about how sodas are good for you and so forth. i am not exaggerating by very much. .. asked questions about redesigning products, about supporting physical activity, but not should we be making sugary beverages. it would seem to me we have some responsibility for the consequences of the advice, and i think the credibility question is also very important. we want to be around to be trusted by the public for the next group. so, many family physicians quit their membership in the american academy of family practice when they took a big grant from coca-cola to promote the value of physical activity. i would have been one of those leaving. >> hi. david robson, and i really appreciate the panel and this book is extraordinary. i just have also cynical question, and it's a question that always is pushed on me by my own students when i talk about the need for organizing. they always pick up on the difference between changing the world one person at a time versus trying to do something about the corporation. but they always point out that some of the companies we're dealing with really can't change their behavior just because they're selling a deadly product. it's not that -- they can substitute a different kind of paint that's not toxic for the paint they're using on their cars. it's a question they sell lead or oil or sugar, and that's all they do. so, i'm just wondering, if you can give me an answer for them. basically something that i can talk about, how we can address the problem of toxic companies, companies that just are not going be to able to get an e-cigarette out to the market. i guess the second question is, how do we address -- the other big questions my students raise -- you say to not just change the world one person at a time, and you say do it by corporation. and they say are we going to change a thousand corporations to stop global warming? so i have these big -- how do we go about even addressing the kind of -- that kind of problem where our students have imbedded in them a cynicism, i guess, that doesn't allow us to give answered that would get to us organize and change the world. >> at the risk of saying this to an historian, i would say, look at history. where have the improvements in public health in this country come from? when have we seen most dramatic declines in death? and it's when society has acted together to make clean water available to make healthy food available. those were not individual choices but those were collective choices, and to my mind, the question isn't, should corporations be more responsible. i think the corporate responsibility efforts are one tactic among many to bring about changes, but the ultimate question is, what is the role of government and what is the role of the market? and i think almost everybody agrees there's some role for government and some role for market, and so the question is, where do we draw the line in specific circumstances? and the case i make in the book is that at least since then 1970s, there's been a really radical shift towards the market in making decisions around health, and that's at the intense of healthy environment and democracy, and it jeopardize all of us and so your students who want to have a better world for their kids and grandkids, will need to take action now to shift that balance into a more stable and sustainable one. >> hi. i just want to follow on the last point. i just had a thought about the recent vote on the farm bill. i think we were all talking about how, you know, we went from really a period of hunger, if you talk about the dust bowl and the dust storms in the '30s and came from a period of low or malnutrition to what you could say overnutrition, and that was because -- largely because of the evolution of the agribusiness. so if we want to good back to more family farms and encourage local farmers to grow produce, but then the -- we didn't get that in the farm bill. so i guess my question is, would you say that we should all be trying to do more local advocacy around the farm bill? what can we as individuals just d it's not just public health professionals. what can we concisionly do to inflew -- concisely due to influence the political process. >> run for office. >> okay. and in addition? >> why not consider that? >> i'm not discounting that at all. i'm saying, starting tomorrow. >> well, i think as, for example, around the farm bill, there are many organizations -- i don't think it's local or national. i think we need to do both those things, and unfortunately there's not one thing we can do. what we learn from tobacco and tobacco has some very important success stories. doing five things for 50 years that helped to us cut the moching rates in this country in half, and it would be a shame if it took us another 50 years to save all those people who are going to come down with diabetes as a result 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New-yorkUnited-statesPhiladelphiaPennsylvaniaChinaCaliforniaSacramentoRussiaSouth-africaAmericansSovietAmericanlike to be on the white house staff. got to watch twitter to see what people are going to do. you were in, you were around when the colin kaepernick protests were going on when he was playing for the 49ers. what did you think then about that? >> i fully supported his right to speak out. i thought he made some mistakes, some big mistakes early. he wore the socks. remember the socks that were pigs in policemen ewan forps. he didn't have a clear message at first. but i supported his right to protest and i think what he did was really admirable. he went out and sought the advice of a man named nate boyer, a former player with a seahawks. a military veteran, who gave kaepernick the advice to kneel. he said in stead of sitting on the bench, kneel. it's also a sign of respect. if you think about you bow in front of somebody. and so this was the advice kaepernick sought out. he sort of refined his message, saying i thought things had made
more sense in terms of clarifying what he was protesting. i thought he had a really powerful message and it's proven to be very much so. >> you're a great judge of aet leets. you recognize talent. why isn't he in the nfl now? colin cappkaepernick. >> he's clearly a much better player than a lot of guys who are playing back up quarterback around the league. i think there's two reasons he's not in the nfl. one the marketing. i think the owners are are concerneded about their fan base and two, and these reasons really go hand in hand. the distraction that he would cause. given modern media. the way we live. the minute he signs with a team, can you imagine the media throng, the attention that will be on every game? and so i understand. i totally understand a general manager who doesn't want to deal with that. you think about tim tebow, for example. tim tebow was such a a
then the president kind of brought it up out of the blue. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag? to say get the son of a bitch off the field right now in he's fired. >> this is another reason why i think all of us and our team have a tough time with the president because it's instead of unifying and trying to calm the storm, he's creating it over and over again. we see it with his tweets every day. so that was you know, he used the word sons of bitches to talk about nfl players who had made it clear they're protesting racial inequality and police brutality. those are sons of bitches? you're the president of the united states. you're going to call kaepernick out for nonviolent protests, staple of american democracy. that's really hard to deal with. and that was for me, that was
probably the hardest one to deal with. the personal slights that we've seen from trump. i mean you sort of get used to it after a while. you get numb to it. that one really stung. because it was so devicive. and it was so angry. and it just didn't make sense. >> but in certain ways, it had the desired effect in that he sort of dominated the news. there's also a constituent. you've seen the nfl took a hit around it and the owners were scrambling around that issue, so there was, it was you know, maybe diabolically clever. >> it was, but is that the president's job to be diabolically clever? >> no, i understand. draymond green, your wonderful player, very outspoken. he was at harvard the other day giving a talk.
and he got into this kole qui with mark cube ben. long distance. because draymond said i don't think we should call people who run teams as owners. and i had never thought about it in those terms before. did you talk to him about that before he went an gave that talk? >> oh, no, draymond says what he wants, anytime he wants, which is what i love about him. i had never heard that argument either. the idea that referencing an owner would be offensive, but of course, you and i are white guys. we like, we've grown up in a different background, different environment. and i think that was draymond's point. said we all have sort of a different circumstance in life and you've got to think about everybody's circumstance. put yourself in somebody else's shoes. it makes perfect sense. >>silence, there's
little cross pollination. discussion. how much has being a player and being a coach sensitized you to issues you never would have been sensitive to? >> it's really one of the great blessings in my life is to have been raised overseas in different cultures with different people from all over the world. and then from actually junior high on, basically living and working, or going to school in integrated situations and then being in the nba for i guess 27 years now, whatever, 29 years, it's a multicultural melting pot work environment and you just, you understand. you start to see where everybody comes from and you know, my old coach, he has one of the great sayings. we're at accident of birth.
we're not asked to be born into the situations. we're born black, white, poor, whatever. we are who we are. and it's so important to understand who the other person is and where he came from. because in most cases, it's very different and the more you can learn about that person, the easier it is to get out of that silo that you mentioned. and understand that there's nuance to everything. in the world. >> i follow your twitter feed. it's mostly not about sports. it's mostly about public issues and the question comes up why should people care. what you or what athletes say. you're prominent because of your work. why should folks look to you guys for political inspiration? >> they shouldn't. they don't need to. if they don't want to, then they don't have to. but everybody's got a twitter feed. why does anybody care. >> there are people who probably
shouldn't. >> exactly. >> to me, this is more a question of you know, how the world works now and social media and just the whole way we operate. everybody has a voice. it just so happens that if you're famous, more people are going to follow you. >> do you feel a responsibility because you're famous to speak out on these issue sns. >> that's a good question. i don't know that i feel a responsibility. it's more just in my heart. i'm so, so disgusted by the lack of sensible gun policy. i'm so disgusted. >> i know that's a lot of what you've been tweeting about. >> i tweet a lot. mostly retweet stuff. especially in the position that i'm in. you know, i used to tweet when i was a commentator for tnt and i would tweet about basketball as with everything in twitter, stuff gets thrown back in my face all the time. so like years ago, i think
working at tnt, lebron had a huge game and i tweeted something like if i could pick one player to have f in a road game, game seven in the playoffs, i'd take lebron. you think any cleveland fans might have retweeted that after cleveland beat us on the road in game seven? so i've learned my lesson. i'm more interested in retweeting articles. trying to spread the word if i see something really sensible. nick kristof wrote a great piece in "the new york times" with two weeks ago about comparing gun safety to the automobile industry. and you know, in the '50s, you were nine times as like ly to de in a car accident than you are today and the reason it's gone down is simple safety measures. seat belts. car seats. speed limits. you know, making sure drivers license background stuff was
thorough and the right people were behind the wheel. and the whole article was like we don't have to take away people's second amendment rights, but what we need is some common sense and yet, people ar. we don't do anything. that's ridiculous to me and it drives me crazy and so i'm constantly retweeting stuff that i read about that issue because it means something to me. >> coming up next. >> as steph curry, i guarantee you he's never talked one time about oh my gosh, wonder what happens if i mis. he just goes out there and plays. en it comes to helping her daughter, shopping for groceries, unclogging the sink, setting updentist appointments and planning birthday parties, nobody does it better. she's also in a rock band. look at her shred. but when it comes to mortgages, she's less confident. fortunately for maria, there's rocket mortgage by quicken loans. it's simple, so she can understand the details and be sure she's getting
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grew up playing basketball in the u.s. and went to the university of arizona and the rest flowed from there, but you spent part of your life here, but part of your life in the middle east. talk about what that was like. you were very much not in the mainstream of culture. what did you learn from that experience? >> well i sort of had the best of both worlds. i was born in beirut. my grandparents settled there after world war i. they had a great his ary of running an or fannage. we spent a lot of time in los angeles and periodically, he would take sabbaticals overseas. he was a professor of meiddle east earn history. >> you were there during your junior high school years. >> three years in cairo. a year in france. a summer in tunisia.
i've lived in different cultures. i've seen -- >> speak arabic. >> i did speak it pretty well. enough to get around when i was there for a couple of years. and i saw americans in cairo. we were beloved. this is the late '70s. beloved. we stood for our culture. everybody copied us. and we were beloved. i i think we still are for the most part. in a lot of places around the world. but people are wondering what the hell happened to us. they don't love our foreign policy. they don't love what's happening with our government, but i think they still love american values. whether we're hanging on to that. i saw all that. i saw different perspectives. i saw how people saw us.
then i was in someone else's backyard, having to adapt to their culture. those are great things to experience as a human being. >> your dad went back to beirut in the early '80s to become president of the american university in beirut. it was a real difficult time there. >> it was. it was his dream job. having been raised at the university literally then going to school there. speaking fluent arabic. loving the culture. in beirut. loving the idea of bringing people, students to the university who can foster peace and understanding amongst all the different religious groups. he loved that. he loved that challenge. he loved the idea and when the job came up, he knew it was dapg rouse, but i think he felt somewhat protected because of his background and because of his reputation. but obviously that -- >> in a weird paradoxical way, it was those qualities that made him a target. he was a force for
reconciliation for understanding. he was a positive image for the u.s. >> that's right. >> and he became the most prominent american in beirut at the time because you mentioned the embassy bombing. marine bar ricks that were bombs. 300 marines were killed. awful. the military lapse. the embassy basically after it was bombed, i don't remember if it was closed, but it was obviously basically shut down for the most part. the american university campus became sort of the next most obvious place where you were going to find americans and he was the president. >> then you got a call. your dorm room. >> 3:00 in the morning. my dorm room and a man named bahin, good armenian name, he worked at the university, great family friend. he called me to give me the news
that my dad had been shot and killed and obviously, you know, my whole world changed and our family's whole lives. ended in a certain way and a new life had to begin and it was pretty rough. >> you and your dad were close. he was very invested in you and in your aspirations to be a basketball player. helped you secure your scholarship and so on. i ask you this as someone, i lost my father when i was in college. we were under different circumstances, but also very difficult circumstances. suddenly and unexpectedly. and it was like i felt completely alone. >> yeah. you were alone. your family was overseas. what did you do? >> well i turned to my teammates. that's one of the beautiful things about sports, it's like a built in family.
kind of a cocoon and you can lose yourself in sports, in physical activity. so i went to practice the next day. my teammates knew what happened, obviously, my coach. i spent, like i slept for three hours on his couch in his office the next day when it happened. i didn't sleep all night. i didn't know what to do. but i practiced that afternoon. i needed to think about something else. and so i just kept playing and going to school and you just move on. >> you practiced the next day and had a game the next night. >> i think it was a few nights later, maybe three or four days later. >> but that game was something that was sort of noted nationally because the entire arena kind of grieved with you. >> right, right. it was the kind of thing that
back then, was kind of, it was a local story. you know, if today if that happened, it would be you know, it would have been miserable to deal with that you know, it would have been a national story. it would have been unbearable. but at the time, it was at least an era where there wasn't this 24/7 invasion of your privacy that happens all the time now. but i dealt with you know, the local media or whatever and the game itself was very emotional. and fans were so supportive and from that point on, i became like an adoptive son in tucson and people there were so amazing. they took care of me and the basketball program, the coaches, my teammates and i was lucky. the team and the guys carried me through a really difficult time because as you said, my family was still overseas. >> i'm sure you think about as i
think about sort of the fact that my dad never saw what happened. what would he say about your -- >> he wouldn't believe it. i was not even recruited out of high school. i didn't secure the scholarship to arizona until literally about a month before school started so this was, this would have been so farfetched. but my dad loved sports. he loved ed basketball. we used to go to the ucla games. john wood ner. >> no one would have predicted you would have the kind of career that you had as player and you got to play with some extraordinary, great, great players. including michael jordan. i'm so interested in how athletes elevate themselves to be greater than the rest. who the athletes who kind of can take charge of that moment when everybody else is, i don't want to take the shot.
you take the shot. what is it about the psyche of a michael jordan, a tim duncan, a david robson, the kind of players you played with that separates them from the rest? >> yeah. it's an interesting dynamic. >> you got a few of them now certainly steph curry would fit in that. it's a really, it's one of the fun things about coaching is you get to really see somebody's soul and what they're about. and everybody obviously in the nba brings something to the table. they're all such tall enented players or they wouldn't be here. there are just u certain guys who seem to rise above the rest of them. it's fearlessness. it's lack of self-consciousness. it's, it's work ethic. it's prepping for that moment. and all the best players, you mention ed tim duncan. michael jordan. larry byrd.
all the best guys are the ones that have the most skill combined with the guts that you're referencing and that's an amazing combination. >> the guts to not worry about making a mistake. >> yeah. i still remember michael had this commercial when he was still playing. 26 times, i've been trusted the take the game winning shot and missed. >> that commercial really struck me. because you think of michael jord jordan, you think he made every shot. he didn't make every shot. if you can make half of them in the clutch, you're doing really well. but you're going to fail half the time so you have to be able to accept failure. the hardest thing for me to accept, i was not a clutch player and shooter because i was too self-conscious, to insecure about the judgment that would come my way. and i finally kind of got over that hump halfway through my career where i said screw it, you got to go for it. that was something i had to work at. my guys, like steph curry, i
guarant guarantee you, he's never thought, what if i miss. he just goes out there and plays. no conscious. especially difficult today. the amount of judgment that exists for these guys. these young guys. we are getting judged not just daily, but by the minute. every single step these guys take. everything they do, everything they say is critiqued and judged and so that's a big part of being professional athlete these days. is dealing with all that stuff and still being able to perform at a high level. >> jordan also had this, an edge that was effort evident on the court. aparticipantly in practice as well. i think you got into a scrap with him once. >> michael was the most intense practice player i've ever been around. his theory was he was going to put pressure on us every day in practice. and the pressure that comes with
adversity. it was not easy being his teammate. he challenged you. you had to stand up to him and prove your worth. so got into it one day. we got into a little bit. it's something that happens frankly three times a year on every team, but when michael jordan is involved, it gets a little more. >> i think people didn't think of you as the most likely match for him. >> i'm not going to beat anybody, but i'll fight people. i'm going to lose every time, but i've got a competitive, insecure streak in me that i want to win so badly. when i was playing, i knew i wasn't that xwood. i knew i was the worst athlete on the floor every night, so i was insecure, but the only way the to succeed was to compete and work and fight and scrap and claw. >> coming up next.
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and change the way you wifi. you've played for these legendary coaches. phil jackson. >> lenny wilkins. >> greg popoveitch. greg simmons. great coach. played for him my rookie year if phoenix. real character. >> what did you learn from them. >> boy, i learned everything from them. they were all -- >> what makes a great coach? >> i think what makes a great coach is the connection, the authentic connection. between player and coach and the awareness of what that player needs and knows what the team
is. t not about xs and os. that's a part of it. but there's lots out there that can draw up a great play. it's about the human connection and that's where popoveitch and phil jackson were so brilliant that i think of in terms of motivating, not by ra ra, let's go get them, team, but by fu finding about what's important. learning about your family. keeping things interesting and fun and different. the cumulative effect of all that is he just, you get this great sort of cruising sennation through the season where every day is fun and you're building and building and building. and obviously, they would both readily admit and when you have great talent, that helps. makes it a lot easier. my job is so much easier. i pattern myself after those guys in terms of the dynamics i
just mentioned, just the joy that comes with play iing and t continuity and the relationship. but if we didn't have great talent, i would have been fired by now. just the nature of the nba. everything is about talent. >> you talk about the arc of a basketball season. i've thought a lot about this sports and campaigns, presidential campaigns. and they are slr similar in the sense they're long. they have ups and downs. and when you're not performing the way you should and you're doing it under the watchful eye of millions of people who think they can do better than you and who let you know. social media has made it even more so it seems to me that part of it is part of the leadership role and i saw it in barack obama, frankly, in our campaigns, is to help the team through those not to get too low. not to get too high. to think long.
and not short. yeah, for sure. >> accepting the judgment and criticism that's coming. sometimes we make fun of it. we'll you know, we might show somebody's tweet or comment in a film session just to as a reminder of you know how silly this whole existence is. that everything we do is cross-suit si skrut size nuysed the way it is. we try to make light of it and really zero in on what's important. not just how we're going to guard the pick and roll, but what's important to each player. we let family come on flights. popoveitch was the first coach i had who did that. it's amazing how positive it is for a player when he can bring his kids on a road trip. we have team dinners all the time. our ownership is great b about understanding the chemistry that comes with team meals. get away from the court. the locker room. get into a restaurant.
have a dplaglass of wine with y teammate. all that stuff matters in the course of a season and when you can put it all together with great talent, it fits together and great personalities and guys who are competitive and hungry. you got something and that's what we've been able to do here! part . >> part of it is subject gaiting your ego to the group. you're the leader, but you don't want to overshadow the group. >> yeah. that's right. and yet, you have to maintain your authority. over the group. and that's sort of the trick. that's where phil and pop were really powerful. liblg when i played for both of them, there was f a part of me that was a little afraid of them. just a little. but i knew how much they loved me and respected me and cared about me. that accommodation was really powerful. you can't, your team can't walk
all over you. about three times a year, i would snam and go nuts ch you don't want to disappoint your dad, right? if your dad is very patient. that's how my dad was. he was very, very patient. but every once in a while, he would get so upset and i'd be like oh my god, i don't want to dispoiappoint him. that can be the role of a coach or any leader. you're magnanimous and supportive and you're emotionally there and you're loving and caring, but every once in a while, you've just got to snap and remind them of the goal and what we're trying to accomplish and occasionally during the season, that happens and i try to steer them back on course and but it has to be natural, too. it has to come from the heart. that's the key. if everything is authentic and you trust each other, then the whole group dynamic will work. >> you were absent from the
bench for long periods of time. over the last couple of years. and you were dealing with chronic pain. what happened? >> i still am. i still deal with chronic pain every day. i had what i thought was a routine back surgery 2015 after the finals and unfortunately, there's no such thing as routine back surgery. i didn't really realize that at the time. i've had a lot of friends who have had the surgery, done great, i thought no brainer. but had a spinal fluid leak. which is can cause a lot of problems. with equilibrium and can cause a lot of pain. been dealing with it ever since ch i've made some improvement, but i'm not all the way better. i'm sure you can watch games where i'm rubbing my eyes and holing my neck. i'm still dealing with a lot of
pain. >> how has it impacted your ability to do what you do? >> well, it more than anything, it just impacts my ability to just enjoy the day. you know it doesn't impact my coaching. it doesn't like cognitively, it doesn't do anything, it's just discomfort. it's pain and discomfort. i love to be outdoors. i love to play golf. i love to hike and surf and i haven't been able to do as much of that. >> i think i read somewhere marijuana was one of the things -- >> didn't help. i tried it. it's amazing. i've learned so much during this two years i've been prescribed painkillers, opioids. >> have you used them? >> never. >> i shouldn't say never. i tried one pill and it was so disconcerting and it didn't help with my pain. and so i stopped. but i started reading about it. it was terrifying. and then so i tried medicinal marijuana, that didn't help
either, unfortunately, but i became an advocate for it, which is very ironic because i was the kid in high school who never, i took a puff of marijuana for the first time on my 40th birthday. and it didn't do anything for me. i was a drinker. in college. and i still am. i like my beer and wine. but i've never tried pot till i was 40. didn't do anything for me. tried it again in a medicinal way. didn't help with my pain and haven't tried it since, but i'm a proponent of it as a painkiller because i know it has helped a lot of people and it's much healthier than the stuff we're being prescribed. >> do you see yourself on the bench for, is this what you want to do? is this the job of your dreams? >> this is yet. this is what i love to do. and i would love to be greg and coach for the next 20 years with the same organization. i have no desire to leave the warriors, the bay area. i realize how farfetched that
idea is because nba coaches don't last for long period of time in one city. pop is the exception rather than the rule, but that would be my dream. >> you probably have seen this, but there are people who have an idea for both of you guys, which is this the popoveitch kerr 2020 ticket. lots of people are thinking of running for president. >> i will campaign for pop. i will also campaign for pop. i would not be his running mate. we'd have to find another one for him. >> i want you to sign this shirt for me. >> we can do that. you want me to get pop to sign it, too? >> we should do that. yes. >> i told him when these shirts came about we were laughing about it. and i told him, i said if we do it, i'll take care of california, but you're going to have -- >> that's very generous of you. >> yeah, yeah. >> do you see yourself being
actively involved on behalf of candidates in the future? assuming pop isn't running. you've said you're for him. >> not really. i've really shied away from i'm not afraid to talk about politics. i don't like our system. i hate our system. i hate the campaign financing. i hate the money involved. so i have a hard time just you know, supporting a candidate period. it's swrus, i wish we could change the whole system. >> coming up u next. >> how does he compare to jordan? >> couldn't be any more different. as a personality. as a human being. jay chooses to run every day.
so we're in a hotel in philadelphia. >> you've blown our cover. >> we've done an interview u in the past. of course i'm going in with you. excellent. i show up in room 781. and i'm looking at my whole life. >> this is your life. >> this is my life that you guys put together. now i'm in here and people are watching going, man i that guy loves himself, doesn't he? he's got gjejerseys everywhere. pictures of himself. >> your exonerate eexonerated. this is purely for our use, but we're going to have over here and take a look. if we can get up and do that. >> so i have to ask you though about this one. when were in you in the partridge family? that's got to be college. pretty embarrassing. >> you led five championships as
a player? >> yep. >> of all of those teams, what was the most memorable experience? >> probably the first one. the team and the title and just as you guys. your team had the record. we didn't finish it off. we didn't win the title. it was an amazing group to be part of. >> you were a bench player. how did you feel totally integrated? into this? >> i think that year was my third year. fourth year with the bulls.
so i had kind of accomplished myself as a part of the team. but then when michael came back in '95, that's when obviously things took off for the franchise again and we won three in a row, 96-98. michael coming back just changed my whole course of my entire career. until that point, i was making a living and i was made it in the league and i was scrap iping. >> well, it's nice because i don't want people to think that you only think of yourself so that you have one of your own players' jerseys here. >> in my den i have 17 pictures of myself and then one steph curry picture. that's how i operate. >> how does he compare to jordan? >> couldn't be any more
different as a personality as a human being. similar to the passion for the game and his impact in terms of game planning, what he does to the defense. i've never seen anybody do it the way he does. there are certain players where you just have to -- the other team have to game plan, michael jordan, shaq, larry bird. you just have to contact a defense of scheme. not many players you can say that about but steph because of his shooting ability, 35 feet away changes the entire strategy and the lineups that the other team has to put out there. so more than anything, though, just an amazing human being, co compassionate, humble and on the floor just arrogant as all hell, which i just love.
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