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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:28:00

credit card that allows them to check in in a hotel. these people need our advocacy, and they need our support at this time. and it s gonna be this way for sometime into the future that you re gonna need to support people to get safe abortion care, and also, be there in the communities for people who are going to be forced to carry pregnancies against their will. and so, support community networks that can help with maternal mortality and pregnancy outcomes that are gonna impact our community for generations to come. mark, it was clear in texas, as amy said, their legal counsel advised them, they couldn t continue abortion services. certainly, they would want to. in other states, how chaotic and confusing is this ruling, just knowing whether or not it s legal in your state? well, today s decision, which is absolutely devastating for at least half of the country, abortion is poised to be banned. it is immediately or will be

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:00:00

i ve had people in my family have abortions and they have felt the regret years and years down the line. and they re still dealing with it and facing the trauma today. going back to needles and the whole thing, i m stunned. i don t understand. we cannot agonize over it. we have to get organized. and just throw these people out. eventually we are going to die. women are going to die between now and when we can get legislation passed. this ruling automatically clears the way for abortion bans in 13 states. at least six states have already put them into effect. we have a lot to cover. so let s get smarter, and bring in our lead off panel, dahlia, senior member of slate and nbc analyst, barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. she worked at the department of during the biden administration. and a professor with a

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:13:00

government, have each filed lawsuits challenging that under the michigan constitution. and so far, a judge has entered a preliminary injunction. saying that it appears that they may be likely to succeed on the merits. and holding it in advance until she can decide the case on the merits. and i think the lesson for the rest of the country is, this idea that these maybe need to be fought in the states. per hats there are states constitutional provisions to protect a woman s right to choose. it s not an explicit issue in the constitution but there are provisions, and equal protection clause, and the issue is about bodily autonomy. the same one that was used, by the way, to challenge vaccines, and masking, and shutdown orders, earlier in the pandemic. so there may be a lesson there for other states. dahlia, even though before the ruling yesterday, the

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:06:00

that you have the right to bear arms to protect yourself. why wouldn t you have the right to protect your own body as a woman? i think you are reading the document it the way that it is intended to be read stephanie, in its entirety. you can t read one section of it in a vacuum and say that you don t look at the rest of it. that is the way, until originalism came along in the 70s, the justice of the supreme court looked at it. but now they would say, well, we pluck out the second amendment right here. we have the term keep and bear arms. so it s so factual right to bear arms. because the word abortion does not appear in the document, that is not the right, and we are going to pull roe versus wade.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:08:00

because it was never meant to be a representative democracy. so you have to strip out the electoral college, the filibuster, you would have to strip outs a massively male portion. where you have a 50/50 senate. where one side represents 41 million more people. all of that stuff, all of that minority, majority rule stuff. that is baked into the way government works, means that just showing up and voting isn t enough. and i think one of the lessons that people need to understand when they think about, you know, 70 80% of americans hate this outcome. 70 to 80% of americans hates the outcome of a gun case yesterday. it is not a 1 to 1 correlation between getting out and voting. this requires massive, massive democracy reform.

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