david was answering, we had on your screen laura cooper of the defense department, who has arrived on the hill to testify. glenn, there is one argument that the white house is making about bill taylor's testimony, saying that, for the most part, it's hearsay, so you can't take he said is information he gleaned from conversations with other diplomats who spoke to the president. is the white house making a winning argument here? does it not necessarily hurt bill taylor's credibility but hurt the argument that the this when bill didn't actually hear that from the president himself? >> it's a specious argument which has surface appeal, but when you dig down underneath it, it's nonsense. here's why. >> you'll have to define specious. >> specious is, you know, it sounds good, but it ain't good. that's specious. >> ah! there you go. now you're talking to us. >> here's why. number one, hearsay is not admissible in a court of law. there are about a thousand
radical, unelected bureaucrats, right? this is where they are going to go. they are going to try to smear career public servants, but trying to smear someone like ambassador taylor, just like trying to smear bob mueller i think is going to be a very, very difficult process. >> yes, but don't -- bill taylor's testimony, for example -- these people who have testified seem far more ready to roll than bob mueller did. >> well, no, absolutely. and i think what we're seeing here is again and again, more and more people are coming out by the week, revealing exactly what happened. i mean, going back to glenn's point i think before here, right, we've seen this. and david's point before. we saw this in black and white in the transcript released by the white house of that call. president trump made the ask. boom. it's right there for the entire world to see. but now what we're seeing is more and more people who know what was happening behind the scenes be willing to come out. and every single drip, drip, drip of this for the president gets worse and worse, just as the polls of the american people are showing. >> okay. jeff, today defense department