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but i would expect trump to win by 25 points at least. >> if haley does come in second, do you think that is the end for ron desantis? >> that really should be the end for desantis. he had some support from some key evangelicals and from governor rimkim reynolds. as i mentioned, he put everything into this campaign. he thought if he visited every county that would work. i think he is struggling because he really is just like another version of terrorism whereas nikki haley has distinguished herself much better. and said i'm more moderate, pragmatist, i'm a problem solver, this is how i feel about supporting ukraine and israel. and desantis hasn't been able to really distinguish himself from trump other than he is just not trump and trying to make the argument that he has too many legal issues at the moment and that that will disrupt his campaign and so forth. so he probably would need to
confident in their ability to turn out voters. the mother of two even recruiting her own kids to run the phone bank and pursue those small dollar donations. >> i have decided to do the $5 fridays. >> and, bret, back to the chris christie breaking news. he night not be getting out of this race to make room for anybody else because he was caught in a hot mic moment just moments before his announcement there in new hampshire bashing both nikki haley and ron desantis about haley he said, quote: she spent 68 million so far just on tv. who is punching above their weight? she is going to get smoked. she is not up to this. and then about ron desantis, he said i talked to desantis, he is petrified. now, desantis hasn't reacted to these comments tweeting i agree with christie that nikki haley is going to get smoked. but he has not addressed the comments that were made about him being petrified. bret, the drama continues on the campaign trail. >> bret: amazing.
in that mix he has about 10% to pick up on brit hume's comment. he has about 10% of people anti-trump who could go haley in new hampshire. so, you know, it's a big deal in that sense. and if she comes out of iowa either second or close second to desantis, she is the one who is gaining momentum and seeing trump go after her pretty strong right now. >> bret: mollie, a quick comment on this and i want to turn to capitol hill. >> right. it's less about what is going to happen in the primaries even than what is going to happen in the general. we all kind of know donald trump is likely to win the nomination. the sooner he can get that done the better can he can then move on to taking on democrats and joe biden. so, chris christie said he wanted to do anything he could to hurt trump. so by getting out he is hoping he is maybe prolong the amount of time before donald trump secures that nomination and thereby hurt his general election effort.
desantis to punch each other out a and he rises as the last mankind of standing and i'm not sure that is working beyond being the alternative to the main guy which is trump. >> and he also has to show that he could actually rise in the polls. i mean donor interest is one thing, but voter interest is what matters. >> right now it is trump, d desantis and vivek ramaswamy. a number of establishment republicans, republicans in the senate, really said that they wanted to get behind him and that they viewed him as the person that could be someone that could maybe really take on trump, more than desantis. and so far there hasn't been anything that he's done that has helped him rise significantly in the polls. we saw that he -- he was one of the first republicans to go after desantis on the florida slavery curriculum. >> very notable.
but you're right, they are the two front-runners in the republican primary field. trump a lot more ahead of desantis at this point. but desantis hasn't been able or willing to take a swing at the former president and it is because he's trying to also appeal to those trump voters that love him so much. but, yet, trump has this unique ability that we have seen over the last, you know, six, seven years of him being in politics to minimize his opponents with these degrading nicknames or zeroing in on something like the desanctimonious that is now ingrained in our brains over and over. and desantis just hasn't been able to overcome that. and that is why the electability argument that trump has been making is interesting. that is the number one argument that his challenges are making against him. but it just seems no one has really blown a lead as large as trump and historically it is hard to see him blowing that
particularly in the hamptons, while desantis hunts for cash. the donors are in search of a new candidate. desantis frankly is a donor creation in many ways. and now those very same donors are looking around and saying who could we go to next? >> wall street wans to bet money. that is their natural inclination. desantis hasn't fulfilled the promise of his campaign going back to november. tim scott has been a prolific fundraiser and we're seeing that he's been using that money in iowa and new hampshire where he's leading the pac on spending and it is having impact on the polls. >> it will be interesting to see how much traction tim scott gets. before launching his campaign, people working with him and close to him told me that his sort of broad strategy was see -- just wait for trump and
but i think what voters actually care about, this is true for republican voters and for democratic voters, republican voters and democratic voters care about the economy. we care about solving real problems for real people. and while campaign slogan might sound nice about being the place where woke goes to die, it still leaves the question of what are you going to do about inflation. what are you going to do about the economy. what are you going to do about making sure i can keep a roof over my head and care for my family. desantis hasn't been in the front of the pack on any of those issues. so when you a line that was the fact that the guy also hasn't been -- doesn't have much charisma, i think we should all pour out a class for him. >> alicia, i want to follow up on that. i think that is very important. something that shermichael and i know very well, given our involvement inside the party. at the end of the day, it is about how you present your case to the american people and how they connect that to the
actually care about, this is true for republican voters and for democratic voters, republican voters and democratic voters care about the economy. we care about solving real problems for real people. and while campaign slogan might sound nice about being the place where woke goes to die, it still leaves the question of what are you going to do about inflation. what are you going to do about the economy. what are you going to do about making sure i can keep a roof over my head and care for my family. desantis hasn't been in the front of the pack on any of those issues. so when you a line that was the fact that the guy also hasn't been -- doesn't have much charisma, i think we should all pour out a class for him. >> alicia, i want to follow up on that. i think that is very important. something that shermichael and i know very well, given our involvement inside the party. at the end of the day, it is about how you present your case to the american people and how they connect that to the personal problems. what do you think was the final straw for the murdochs, for
softening the ground for mr. desantis. desantis hasn't been shy about showering reynolds with praised. when asked if he would consider her for a cabinet post. "outfront" now, republican governor and 2024 presidential candidate doug burgum of north dakota. he is in his second term as governor after winning office in 2016. and before that the governor was a businessman. he bought a software company that later went public and sold for over a billion dollars to microsoft. governor, i very much appreciate your time, and just your vieon iowa. you're running, you're investing a lot. you've spent more than $2 million in ads on the state in iowa. you've seen republican governor kim reynolds saying she's neutral, but obviously attending several events in iowa with governor desantis. do you feel like she's tipping the scales in his favor? >> well, i think kim and all the republican leaders in iowa, it is an important role that iowans
a policy statement on that. and that's where i think desantis hasn't gotten his footing yet. if you look at 2016, remember when cruz and rubio started flailing back at trump and playing his game, it just didn't work. watching how desantis has to increasingly deal with the retail politics of trump will define whether or not he can make a comeback in this race rah. carley: hard place to be. pete: could ron walk into a dairy wean like that? not many people could and hand out red spoons. you get a bliss a ard. [laughter] carley: all right. we have some more news to get to. new overnight, eight people rush to the hospital after a shooting at a house part in -- party in el paso. witnesses described the scene as a high school party. fortunately, officials say, the victims suffered only minor injuries. no word on on any arrests or what led up to the gunfire. a cargo ship fire that killed two new jersey firefighters will likely burn for several more days according to officials. an investigation into what caused the a fire won't happen