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allegations resurfaced. one thing he's not doing -- talking about those accusations. i'm michaela pereira, john berman is off. we have those stories and more ahead at this hour. we start, unfortunately, with an act of pure evil. that's what president obama is calling the beheading of u.s. hostage peter kassig by isis terrorists. the inhumanity and brutality on this video posted by ie vision too much to take, frankly. i shows kassig's head, the feet of a man seen in previous videos who's become known as jihadi john. peter kassig is now the fifth westerner to be killed by the terrorist group. this video, however, is different. it shows only the aftermath, the grim aftermath of kassig's beheading. for the first time, the speaker identifies where he is standing with the victim. the video also shows beheadings of other men. now the timing is crucial here. it comes as u.s. officials are suggesting they could send more ground troops to iraq. in this latest video, the narrator taunts president obama to do just that. we want to turn to joe johns at this hour. joe, i hate that we have to talk about this again. it's becoming far too familiar of a thing we're seeing. we know that there is significance in the fact that this video was posted while the top u.s. general joint chiefs chairman martin dempsey was in iraq. >> i think that's true. the first thing, though, i think you have to say is it's not clear at all when the video was actually recorded. just no way to tell when it was actually recorded. no way to tell when peter kassig was executed. but what we do know is when the video was released. it was released over the weekend at a time when the chairman of the joint chiefs happened to be in the region there in iraq. so drawing a connection is very difficult but you can say looking at the timeline there is at least that kind of a connection in and of itself michaela. >> joe, talk to me more about -- we're getting news that the french interior minister has named a french national as having played a part in this latest isis video. what more do we know about this individual? >> well their word is "participated." that he participated in all this. the french national's name is maxime haushard. he's from the normandy area and went to syria in 2013. it's not clear what participation they're talking about, but they do say they've analyzed the video and their word is they've established with a very high probability that he was involved. we know there have been over r other efforts, what do you know about this young man? >> we don't get a lot of information about it other than the fact that the united states was looking for him. we know also obviously that he was a united states army ranger, there's certain they concern about leaving one of your own behind. he had gone on to become an aid worker in syria but it's clear they tried to get intelligence they could about him, clearly too late. >> we talk about that in such a matter of fact way which we need to but we must pause and recognize this is a young man cut down in the prime of his life doing good works for the world, his family obviously devastated. it's difficult not to look at these images and remember that, the way they want him to be be remembered. not the way they want him today. so we know sadly these isis terrorists will stop at nothing to advance their brutal and radical agenda but are they being weakened at all by these coalition air strikes in iraq and syria? we are getting new video. isis fighters have been trying to take control of kobani for months. some analysts say isis could be getting desperate and that perhaps the new beheading video is a sign of that. i wonder. let's talk about this with cnn terrorism analyst paul cruickshank, also with us peter brooks. we jumped the gun a little bit. peter brooks is here, a senior fellow of national security affairs at the heritage foundation. gentlemen, i hate saying it's a delight to have you here because i hate that we're having to talk about this again and again, another young life taken by the hands of this brutal, brutal enemy. it's interesting, paul, that statement that i just made there that some are seeing this as a sign of isis' desperation. is that the way this is being viewed? >> i'm not so sure. they were releasing these beheading videos in august when they were very strong. i'm not sure they've weakened the group substantially. they've limited their freedom of movement but this is a very strong group. they control much of abbar province, they control mosul, they control huge tracks of syria as well. this is a defiant message that isis is putting out in this video. >> defiant, well-organized, passionate. they seem to have endless resources in manpower as well. peter, do you feel they're feeling the pressure or the effect of these air strikes at all? >> it's a very mixed picture, michaela. there were some successes in recent times now. we had a strike that may have injured al-baghdadi, the leader. some of their other leaders were taken out in air strikes. the iraqi army was able to take down the refining town of baiji and, of course, kobani is not a victory for them. this has -- this is a town that's had a stalemate. so that doesn't look good for them. so it's very much a mixed picture. there's still a lot of work to do and we need to keep up the pressure and i think personally to increase the pressure on this group. >> increasing the pressure. does that mean to you, paul, more ground forces? is that the answer here? i think there are people among us that will say when you take another one of our citizens in such brutal fashion we should go after the heart of that beast. but, again, this is not what the president -- he wants to take this brutal beast out but the idea of sending more of our men and women into harm's way, that's not something he's savoring. >> and the united states have said it's going to take more than a year to train the iraqi army to go into mosul to try to reclaim mosele from isis and it's worth recalling back in 2007 at the hide of the surge when you had 170,000 u.s. combat troops in iraq it took them months and months and months to break the back of al qaeda in iraq, essentially the same group as isis. well, there are no combat troops there now and isis is stronger than al qaeda in iraq was. it has more manpower and recruits and money. >> and we know they're teaming up with al nusra. final thought to you, peter. this is a long haul. >> i think so. but, of course, it will depend on our level of effort. the president, i think, should keep all options on the table because that's what he's going need news plan survives contact with the enemy. that is dynamic situation. them teaming up isis and al nusra teaming is up bad news. we're going to have to see what tomorrow comes. we need to get more spine out of the iraqi army and arm the peshmerga to take this on. then we need a plan for syria. >> you said it's a very different proposition when we look at syria. peter brooks, paul cruickshank, i appreciate you joining us. the vatican announcing that pope francis will make his first trip to the u.s. as the leader of the catholic church next cement the pontiff is coming to the world meetings for families in philadelphia considering he's particularly concerned about challenges facing the modern family. we're told the pope will hold a large public mass in philadelphia september 27. mark your calendars. francis is the fourth reigning pope to visit the united states. sorry to be the one to tell you but look for a repeat of last week's early winter blast that covered most of the country. we won't see as much snow as last time around but meteorologists say frigid temperatures will return once again this week. the national weather service says areas from texas to the northeast could brace for cold and you should brace for cold. meanwhile, the southeast will see temperatures 25 to 30 degrees below normal. and single digits could hit as far south as mississippi. that to me sounds like everywhere but the pacific northwest and california are going to get cold weather. an outbreak of norovirus has cut yet another cruise short. this time aboard a month-long princess cruise to hawaii and tahi tahiti. 172 people on board the crown princess came down with this nasty stomach illness. as you know, norovirus causes nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, all sorts of other icky symptoms. you also might recall there was a similar outbreak on that very ship back in april. now, we know norovirus is highly contagious so the ship 1 docked, we're told, in los angeles and is being thoroughly disinfected. and a terribly sad update for you. a doctor who arrived in america in very critical condition suffering from ebola, he has died now. dr. martin salia from sierra leone had been working in that part of western africa where the outbreak began. he was transported to the u.s. and treated at the specially equipped nebraska medical center where we know two other patients recovered from the virus. his doctors say salia was given every possibly treatment, including dialysis and plasma from survivors. however they were unable to save him. ahead here, are nfl teams dishing out painkillers illegally to keep players in the game? 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>> well, michaela, i'm sure this got everyone's attention yesterday. in addition to the checks for the 49ers, the tampa bay buccaneers also had a visit from the dea and also the seattle seahawks after their games and it's interesting because what they were look for is any indication there were prescription drugs being improperly handled by trainers. as you mentioned, doctors or nurse practitioners are legally allowed to do this, not trainers. and so if the nfl wasn't aware of this yet, they got their attention yesterday. >> and all of this came about because of this lawsuit, right? the 1,300 former players. so what is the end game here? they want to put a stop to this, obviously. >> yes. there's this lawsuit by i believe 1,300 players who played from 1969 to 2008 in the nfl and they allege a whole raft of things including that the locker room there would be balls of painkillers -- bowls of painkillers that would be doled out for anybody who can take them. that you'd have trainers giving out uppers for players in the morning so they can go out and practice and play and downers so they can sleep. so this is what's gotten the dea's attention and this is why they're investigating. >> and i'm just thinking about what happens when these guys then stop playing. when they retire. you've potentially got these guys addicted because we know how highly addictive these prescription drugs are. >> that's the big concern. that's the very big concern right now because, you know, these players years later are hooked on these drugs and that's one of the things they're asking for in this lawsuit is that the nfl set up a trust fund so they can have medical care and, frankly, treatment for these players, some of whom don't have the money anymore to be able to pay for and medical care so they can take care of all their pain and suffering that they've had so we'll see where this goes. the nfl has also got the d.a. to contend with for the next few months, at least. >> another bit of controversy for the nfl. somewhat beleaguered these days, there's been a lot of headlines about that league. evan perez, thanks so much for that. we'll keep watching that story. coming up after the break, police video shows officer darren wilson shortly after shooting and killing michael brown in ferguson, missouri. we'll take a closer look at this as well as listen to radio communication from the police of that fatal incident. heyou can get greatds honey! discounts on 1-800-flowers.com...oh... roadside assistance from allstate, and avis, budget and budget truck. all in one place... aarpdiscounts.com. popcorn? 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>> it's really wide ranging, michaela. i've had so many people willing to talk to me on the phone but afraid to get in front of a camera because they simply think there's going to be blowback. they're afraid protesters are going to come after them. some people saying that they're not worried but they're concerned about what's going to happen, they want to make sure that the schools stay open because in august the schools did close down for a week after mike brown was killed. they want to make sure their children are safe, making sure that they're able to get them to and from school is also a huge concern here. where other people are just saying that they are very concerned about the small businesses that are up and down these streets and whether or not they'll be able to conduct business and the safety of their own family and they're buying up groceries and planning to stay in their house until any potential unrest is over, michaela. >> they're caught up in the middle of it. steph elam, thank you so much. paul callan in studio, i want to go back to what we were letting our viewers listen to and watch, the police radio communications, the video of officer wilson after the shooting. as an attorney, tell me what you see through your attorney eyes. >> it's a fascinating look now in realtime and hearing the real voices involved in the incident. bear in mind we're dealing with scraps of information here and trying to stitch together what happened that night. and i think what officer wilson's attorneys would ultimately argue is that wilson had arrived on this sick baby call at noontime and he was in on that call. as he was going into the building, in the background the call was coming out about a stealing in progress which was the convenience store robbery that involved michael brown and possibly -- dorian johnson was there but he was never charged with it. he then comes back out to the car, wilson, gets in and he sees michael brown and johnson walking in the middle of the street. he pulls up to them and says, according to johnson "get the "f" on the sidewalk." that would seemingly be the end of the incident and he starts to drive on his way. he suddenly stops, though, this is wilson, and backs up quickly. now the second encounter is when everything happens. >> is it significant to you what we heard benjamin crump say, the attorney for the family, saying wilson did not i.d. michael brown as a suspect in the convenience store robbery. significant to you? >> i disagree his analysis on that because he stugts that he never identified him. i think the suggest encounter he did. i think the first encounter he just sort of thought these were two kids in the street but i think as he pulled away something clicked and he said, wow, he had cigars in his hand, the description had swisher cigars in the suspect's hand and he was dressed in a certain way. so i think he did know he was confronting a potential person who was wanted? >> and as these things -- many things that we don't have access to that the grand jury is considering now in term who was they're going to indict or not. >> they are. and i think it's a big mistake for us to second guess whatever they're going do. and i say this about the street demonstrators as well. nobody knows how much information has gone into that grand jury. they've been sitting for a long time. it's a secret proceeding. there have been some leak bus lots of witnesses we don't know about. >> their deadline is january 7, we're told it could come down imminently. we don't know. you'll be part of the conversation when it does come down. stephanie elam, paul callan, our thanks to you. ahead at this hour, decades-old sexual assault allegations resurfacing against bill cosby. the comedian, for his part, refusing to comment. but the question is will his silence cost him? 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[ cheers and applause ] that was bill cosby performing over the week end in erie, pennsylvania. he is now involved in a fresh controversy over his past. his attorney says cosby will not respond to "decade old discredited claims of sexual assaults." these accusations have been made by several women. over the weekend, cosby was interviewed by scott simon on npr and was asked about those claims. later the interviewer spoke to cnn about cosby's body language at that moment during the interview. take a listen. >> this question gives me no pleasure, mr. cosby, but there have been serious allegations raised about you in recent days. you're shaking your head no. i'm in the news business, i have to ask the question. do you have any response to those charges? shaking your head no. there are people who love you who might like to hear from you about this. i want to give you the chance. all right. he gave what i would refer to is that delightful impish little cosby smile at first and then was silent, didn't answer the questio question. >> that was scott simon from npr. let's get a little deeper, eric, it seems like a crisis management consultant is a busy person this year. of course you're the author of "glass jaw, a manifesto for defending fragile reputations in the age of instant scandal." i don't know, i've been having this discussion with a few of my colleagues here, eric. dammed if you do, damned if you don't. what's your reaction to how cosby handled or didn't handle the questions from scott simon on npr? >> well, the rules have changed. let me tell you the good news and the bad news. the good news is if you're bill cosby, you're 77 years old, you're not at the beginning of your career, you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars, you can take your toys and go home and refuse to play in this media farce that we're dealing with surrounding this. and he doesn't have to. he can be silent. that's the good news. the bad news is this is a classic glass jaw scenario where a punch from the past can destroy a a-year career and if he wants to continue having new shows -- and apparently one is in the works -- or product endorsements or things like that, there is going to be an expectation that he talks more. i have to tell you, 20 years ago there would have been no question what the advice would have been which would have been to go on oprah and talk about it. the problem is, you're dealing with the twitter sphere now where every time you open your mouth, when you have motivated adversaries, they will 100% of the time declare your interview to have been botched, it will be declared to be an outrage and it will ignite further rounds of coverage and something like this will never go away. so it's a viable choice he's taking. >> i have to ask you, "media farce," what do you mean by that, eric? >> i think that by -- you can't call allegations of sexual assault anything other than very serious. but what happens now is a concept i write about called the fiasco vortex where you have media coverage of something like this that metastasizes no matter what you do. and regardless of the old school of thought that you get it all out there, you do your interview and it goes away, the fact is, is with the social media environment, off self-feeding situation where every time you open your mouth not only does it not back off your critics, it makes the twitter sphere and media cycle even worse. >> i have so many questions for you, maybe we can talk about it more because i feel like this will be a topic we'll the b discussing for some time. i have questions about legacy, what it means for someone. >> it means a lot. it's very serious. >> we have to leave it here right now but maybe we can talk about it again, okay? >> sure, thank you. >> we should mention a new accuser has come forward with her story. she's going to air it tonight. she'll reveal troubling details of an assault shi alleges happened at the hands of bill cosby tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. ahead here, a defiant president obama may go it alone on immigration reform. how the newly republican controlled congress will react if he does. uh, and i know my iq. okay. uh, and i know-uh-i know what blood type i have. oh, wow! uh huh, yeah. i don't know my credit score. you don't know your credit score? 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the neighbors told you? >> uh-huh, they were just like i'm so sorry, your parents were taken away. >> what does that feel like? that seems to be every child's worse nightmare that your family is taken from you. >> i broke down, you know? i remember i like -- i hid under the bed because i was afraid that somebody was going to come for me. i don't know who that someone was, but -- i was just so scared. it's like what do you do? i'm so scared for them, what they're going through. my parents are going to jail and for what? i didn't consider them criminals. >> such a complex issue. let's bring in our cnn commentator ruben and our republican strategist. i appreciate you coming to talk about this. there's no easy solution, we can all agree on. that ruben, i want to start with you. you wrote an op-ed on cnn.com. i want to read it talking about the president has been one of the most aggressive in deportations. you wrote "obama deport add record two million people in five years, divided hundreds of thousands of families, failed to deal effectively with thousands of child refugees who streamed across the u.s./mexico border last summer then broke another promise when he said he would take executive action on immigration before the midterm elections but blinked." so why change course now? >> well, michaela great to be with you and good to be with my good friend bettina as well. to change course, i think he's probably had it with this issue, witness to resolve it, he's had it with republican obstructionists philosophy that says basically we're not going to do anything. but when you try to do something we're going say "leave us alone so we can work." that's a joke. they're not doing any work on immigration and i think he wants to try to make life better in a temporary way for some group of the 11 million who are here: some segment of it. it gets complicated when you look at the details for sure. but i this is a piecemeal way of going. it's not through to full legal status which the president can't do any way, it's not permanent residency or amnesty. it's a little weak but at the same time i think it's a step in the right direction. >> it's interesting, bettina, we have heard time and time again the gop saying "don't go down this path, don't go down this path." yet it seems apparently the president is planning to do just that. >> yeah. i think the general idea is that people are really frustrated with the president. i agree with ruben. both sides have used immigration as a political football. but as we look forward and figure out what is the best course forward, we have to ask, is this really about the policy or the politics? this president is using immigration as a political maneuver to defend his legacy and we just had an election. the voters were very clear on what they wanted. they don't want any more gridlock in washington. they want both parties to work together. this is not a way to work together. from everyone i've talked to in washington, there's a lot of consensus that they want immigration reform to move forward. but what he's doing is just taking the rug out of this new congress, not letting them even discuss this and moving unilaterally is not a way to build consensus and build bipartisanship and get a real reform done, not these band-aid solutions that only are temporary fixes. >> so what is the solution, bettina? because i think there is such a level of frustration. i think one of the things we also learned from the midterm is that there's a great deal of frustration from the constituents, from the voters that the threat of a shotdown once again, the fact that imzbrags essentially stalled. we all agree that it's broken. how do we fix it? >> i think one of the things that the president has to do is work with the new congress. if he wants to give them a timeline, hey, we're going to -- i'm giving you until february, march, to get something passed, at least give them the opportunity. but he's not giving them an opportunity. i think ruben was talking before about this president has never made immigration reform a priority. he's promised over and over again that he's going to get something done and now after the election he decides he's going to push these things forward and really create a situation that's going to be very difficult for both congress and the white house to work together on other policies like trade, like energy poll spi. and he's just making it kay yot nick so many different ways. i think everybody believes immigration is a problem that we need fix, but we have to ask, is this the best way forward? is this going to create the change needed for so many families to get the necessary status that they need? >> i have to interrupt you for a second because i want to give you a quick final button on this. >> sure. to push back against my friend just a bit, she doesn't speak for all republicans on this matter. there are republicans throughout who say this isn't a small thing or quick fix but really obama going to too far and overreaching. first contradiction. second contradiction is i hear all the time from conservatives that the election proved people don't want congress to work with the president. so let me get this straight, republicans are saying congress shouldn't work with the president but if you listen to bettina the president should work with congress. doesn't quite work that way. >> clearly there is a lot that needs to be worked out in this issue. and, again, going back to this, there are lives hanging in the balance, people's families are being separated, the costs. we can go on and on about why this needs to be a priority and get worked out. bettina, ruben, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. ahead at this hour, another controversial topic we'll talk about, stop and frisk. it's been ruled unconstitutional. however, many believe innocent minorities are still being targeted. soledad o'brien is here today. she's going talk about her new documentary called "black and blue." . stop and frisk. it's a controversial police tactic. it's been ruled unconstitutional but despite the public outcry against it, many say innocent minorities are still being targeted. the lives of many young people fractured by aggressive policing. take a look at a clip from a brand-new cnn documentary called "black and blue." >> i don't sleep until he comes home, quite frankly. the fact that it happens just about every single day is overwhelming and can lead you to lose your hay but then your future ends. >> concern of so many mothers. soledad o'brien is here to talk about her brand-new film. this is an infuriating issue on board for many people. >> and a hot button one, too. often with his professors and classmates with police going through his backpacks and this is a kid would has no legal each. he's never been in any kind of legal trouble. he's very frustrated. we wanted to examine, first of all, what's the impact on the psyche if, in fact, you're stopped over and over and over again and most of which turned into nothing. there was no legal case. they never pursued anything further. and also, how do the police need to do what they need to do, which is essentially not trample on the rights of the people in the community. >> you look at the statistics. 80% are black and are latin american. >> is that the justification? >> well, it's they fit the profile. you're not allowed to stop someone unless there's reasonable suspicion. so often they will say they fit a profile. they match the suspect profile. i think often people are concerned that, in fact, that's made up. so it is. it's a challenge. how do you navigate that line of protecting the community, the people who are at most interesting at times to interview are black police officers. >> yeah. >> some of whom will tell us that they, in fact, have stopped themselves and have been stopped and frisked. >> they have to have the same conversations with their sons about how they comport themselves. conversations that we've had here at this hour. this is going to be fantastic and i encourage everybody to watch it. really a delight to have you here. thank you so much. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> let me point to where you can see it. it's called "black & blue" here on cnn at 9:00 eastern. thanks, soledad. >> my pleasure. the vatican announced a visit to the u.s. next fall. the significance of the visit. ugh... ...heartburn. did someone say burn? 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>> well, they are already saying in philadelphia over a million will come. >> wow. >> the speculation is, where else will he go? if he's coming to the united states, it's not going to be just to philadelphia. the u.n. assembly is meeting at the same time. he may be going to washington. >> if somebody can get congress to behave, it could be this man. >> you never know. and then the outlier has said he wants to go to the mexico and u.s. border. the cardinal of boston was giving communion through the fence to those undocumented people. this is a special concern of pope francis. what do we do with all of these people? if he goes there, that will really be interesting. all of that is unconfirmed. the only thing confirmed is philadelphia. >> given the time that we are in and the things going on and the work that he has chosen to do, he's the pope of the people. all of those things you've talked about are going to reach out and touch other people. to that end, we can't help but addres ask, will he address the church abuse scandal and face it head-on? >> i think if he comes to the united states, he cannot not address it. you have shawn o'malley, the head of boston. that is where this all began in boston when it started to break in this country. and it has been seen as an american problem. >> yeah. >> not true. it's a worldwide problem. >> it's interesting how it has been seen that way. >> it has been seen that way. so if he could come here with shawn o'malley and address the issue, like bishop finn, cardinal o'malley was asked that last night, if he knew a priest was looking at child porn and can't do anything to that priest. he is committed to addressing. coming to the suns maybe an opportunity to really do it. >> well, especially because he has not been afraid. he is his own man, a man of god. he's still his own man. he's not afraid to do things his own way. i'm really curious how the reaction will be. mostly, this will be planned well in advance, correct? >> yes. >> you've already given us a great deal of information that we knew, visiting the u.n., a visit to philadelphia. will there be any room for spontaneousness or will that not be feasible? >> he does not stay on script. he will say things he's not supposed to say. this is part of the man. expect it. >> we can't wait. more information will be coming in the coming days and weeks. father edward beck, nice to have you here. that's september 2015. we have time to plan. that wraps it up for us here, i guess for me here since i'm alone, no john berman. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield is coming up next. this is cnn breaking news. >> hi, everybody. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." at any moment, we're expected to hear from nebraska medical center about the second ebola death that occurred here in the united states. it's a doctor from maryland, martin salia. he contracted the virus while treating patients in west africa. we have now learned that he died and that happened this morning. the white house has issued a statement. it reads, "dr. salia's passing is a reminder of the human toll of this disease and of the continued imperative to tackle this epidemic on the front lines where dr. salia was engaged in his calling. and the heartbreaking irony of it all, it was months ago that dr. salia was telling us about his passion to help others.
New-yorkUnited-statesTampa-bayFloridaTexasPhiladelphiaPennsylvaniaBostonMassachusettsCaliforniaColombiaSyria migrant families. still about 2,000 children remain separated from their parents and americans want to know why and when all the families will be reunited. >> what about those kids? what about those immigrants? get in there? stop these deportations. >> i'm alex witt, let's get to what's happening, there's a lot to talk about as we begin with the images we're seeing across this country. thousands have gathered to demand family reunification and an end to the trump administration's zero tolerance policy. lawmakers are among these demonstrators and some like kirsten gillibrand are ramping up their calls to abolish i.c.e. here's what she told garrett haake at a rally in washington, d.c. we'll get to that in just a moment. moon time, the president was praising the agency in a treat and said the radical left demi-s want you out, next it will be all police. zero chance, it will never happen. taking us through the action, we have nbc's garrett haake in washington, blake mccoy in new york city, cal perry in el paso and mariana atencio in los angeles that's where the protest to reunite migrant families are happening. let's go to you, garrett, at lafayette square across from the white house. talk about what's happening. i know some people were heading out on a march. has that begun? >> we're at the transition point between the rally that started at 11:00 and has gone well beyond its proscribed length and the march that will happen from near the department of justice. after all, these protesters believe that is the key issue here. the administration's zero tolerance policy, that starts with doj. they'll march down the street beyond me here. the boos you're hearing now is an anti-rights protester who has been out here all day long garrett, diane guerrero is standing at the microphone in washington. let's listen. >> that is only because i do not exist in the eyes of the government. they had no regard for a child left behind. whether that is a good thing or a bad thing i still don't know but i would have had a much different story to tell if i had been imprisoned after being separated from my family without a warm bed and only the cold faces of i.c.e. agents and the crinkly feeling of a mylar blanket. i was lucky enough to be with my parents until i was 14. having my parents tell me that i could do anything. that i was special and that i matt matter. that gave me the confidence to last me a lifetime. i don't know why i was lucky enough to have people in my community take me in to be able to continue school or why i was lucky enough to find work or to go to college. i do know that kind of luck is one in a million. i also know i wouldn't have been so lucky if i was one of a generation of children who would be irreversibly damaged by our government's actions. it's a denial of children's humanity to say that because they were born in difficult or dangerous places at the wrong time that they don't deserve a second chance. [ cheers and applause ] that they shouldn't ask for refuge. how many more children are we willing to subject to a lifetime of pain? once my family was taken i became fully aware that my community matters less to some people. that we are treated differently because of the color of our skin or where our parents were born. but we are now in a moment where we can no longer be blind to the blatant disregard of human life. [ cheers and applause ] this time the stakes are too visib visible, too well documented to be ignored. it has reached you. it has reached all of us and forced us to ask ourselves what kind of country do we want to be? one that violates the rights of children, including the fundamental right to seek asylum? or do we want to be an america that values children and families and the freedom to be who we are? [ cheers and applause ] and let's not forget our citizen children and our citizen children of color whose lives are threatened everyday for reasons beyond immigration status. [ cheers and applause ] as one who haas seen firsthand, i have taught myself to have hope. i have to believe that this is an opportunity for us to rise above the tyranny, the ignorance, the malpractice and believe in change. this is a chance for us to come together as a nation and rise above division and fear. only then can we stop the separation of families and stop the policies that place children in cages so for our families and children, let us march and make our voices heard. [ cheers and applause ] remember, remember this in november. remember this in november when we march to the poles. remember our anger, the outrage and the desire to act. remember in november that the end to these cruel policies starts with us. [ speaking spanish ] i miss you everyday. thank you [ cheers and applause ] >> you were throng diane guerrero, she was identified there as an immigration reform advocate. she is a woman who wears many hats, i was very proud to speak with her earlier on my broadcast. she also is an author. she wrote a book, a firsthand chronicling, the book is called my family divided, one girl's journey of home, loss, and hope. it's a story of how she at 14 was separated from her family. her family was sent back to colombia, that included her brother and two parents. she stayed and she ended up growing up outside of boston and she didn't have much family to speak of but she had people who looked out for her. people her family knew who took care of her but she wondered while she was in school, what would happen to her. she has managed to climb a ladder and become a successful actress on the celebrated series "orange is the new black." she had a lot of passion and she comes from a first person narrative as to what it's like for these kids right now that have been separated from their families. we'll take a short break on msnbc. we'll be right back. no, sorry. we'll go to blake mccoy. blake is following the protests on the ground in new york city. blake, sorry to have potentially cut you off. what's going on where you are? >> reporter: this rally is taking place here in brooklyn. this after a march that took all of these protesters across the brooklyn bridge, at one point spanning the entire length of the bridge. upwards of 10,000 people protesting. this is the rally point after the march and you can see how many people are out here braving 90 degree heat. it feels like 100 but they want their voices heard and this is a diverse crowd in new york city. this sign here "build trust not cages." "toddler jail, are you kidding me?" people are fed up with what they have seen with prurc as preside immigration policies. they said let's give president trump something to tweet about. >> they sure have. let's go south to texas, specifically el paso where we find cal perry with a demonstration that is right there literally along the border. that's where you are, cal, what's happening? >> the demonstration just breaking up a few minutes ago. part of the reason was to get the border crossing open. the reason people are here is the way that the u.s. government is treating people along this border area. claudia is nice enough to join me. tell me what happened to you at an airport. >> i was at an airport at a work business trip, something i do in my day to day life. because i am a daca recipient i have certain protections that allow me to travel between border cities but this time i was singled out from a security line, interrogated, put into a police vehicle and detained. when i asked if i was being detained i was told yes and when i asked why agent jones, a tall white male said the border patrol does not took place a federal court, they answer to the president of the united states. of course he was referring to the federal courts that are protecting currently the daca program. >> let me ask you this. there's been a lot of talk not only in washington but here as well about abolishing i.c.e. >> i have think we have to be critical of any elected official, any candidate for organization, any official that is not saying abolish i.c.e. or any other agency engaged in this brutal war against immigrants. we deserve freedom to live, freedom to thrive and abolish -- the abolishment of i.c.e. is not a radical view. >> thank you very much. she's one of the organizers for the march and when you talk to people along this border area that is what you hear. you hear about the everyday harassment by the u.s. government. i.c.e. is pulling people apart and again overhanging all of this is that 2047 children are still separated from their family. >> cal perry, thank you very much. let's bring in democratic congressman ted lieu of california. sir, congress couldn't even pass legislation to pass the family reunification so what do you expect to come from these mass demonstrations across the country? >> thank you alex for that question. let me tell you what house republicans did do this week. they had an emergency hearing on hillary clinton's e-mails but not about the 2000 babies and kids ripped away from their parents. that's why you see these rallies. the people across america are angry. this november people have the right to change the makeup of congress and i hope they will do so. >> can i ask you in your opinion, sir, why you think the republican-controlled house had a hearing about hillary clinton's e-mails as opposed to what was forth coming in immigration? >> they are so completely out of touch with what has happened in america they still think they're running against hillary clinton in 2016. it was one of the most bizarre and stupid ridiculous hearings i've ever attended and we should focus on reuniting these kids. the american pediatric association said this kind of trauma can affect brain development for these kids and the rest of their lives. >> any encouragement we see by the images of some of the kids being reunited? >> we have had some brave federal judges order reunifications but it doesn't need a federal judge to do this. we need the trump administration to do this. but what's troubling is that public reporting shows the trump administration never had a plan for reunited these families. that means there are babies and kids that are too young to identify their parents that may never be reunited. that is evil and the functional equivalent of kidnapping by our government. >> i know you tried to open an investigation regarding the reports that asylum seekers are being turned away at the u.s. border before being referred to an asylum officer. anything you're hearing about the efforts to address this issue and when other setbacks these asylum seekers are enduring will be fixed, changed, improved upon? >> the latest data shows 76% of the people showing up at our border have a credible fear of persecution, meaning they can file a legal asylum claim. unfortunately, the trump administration was separating kids from their families and now they're saying as a condition of reunification they have to give up their claims. that's one of the reasons i read this letter signed by the 50 members of congress. and the inspector general is a different man. i have faith in the inspector general. how about those democrats, some with quite high profile, including senator kirsten gillibran gillibrand. >> i understand where the impulse is coming from and they're not saying abolish i.c.e. and doing in. they're saying abolish i.c.e. and replace t ce it with a new agency. secretary nielsen needs to resign. we need a new i.c.e. director put in who is not cruel and execute inhumane orders and we need to change i.c.e.'s mission so don't weaponize themselves to attack communities and terrorize communities. if none of that happens, i would support abolishing i.c.e. and replacing it with a new agency consistent with america's principles. >> i want to shift gears and talk about what we saw in your role sitting on the judiciary committee. this hearing on thursday, here's what it was about. take a look. >> they talk about the mueller investigation. it's really the rosenstein investigation. you appointed mueller, you're supervising mueller. >> there is an old saying justice delayed is justice denied. i think all of us are being denied. whatever you got, finish it the hell up. this country is being torn apart. >> mr. rosenstein, why are you keeping information from congress? >> congressman, i am not keeping any information from congress. >> i want to know why you won't give us what we've asked for. >> i hope your colleagues don't have that impression. that's not accurate, sir. >> that questioning of the deputy ag, rod rosenstein. what was your impression of that judiciary committee meeting? >> so, again, this was a stupid hearing on the e-mails. but even the facts of this hearing that came out showed the department of justice was not withholding information relevant to congress. they've produced 880,000 pages relevant. some information they are not producing is because it will jeopardize people's lives and it could reveal sources and methods and affect the ongoing investigation and they withheld those documents. i hope they are not bullied and continue to stand their ground. >> were you surprised by the contentious tenor of this hearing? i was and by the way i agree with my colleague trey gowdy that they should finish the special counsel investigation up as soon as possible and i think the good timeline would be two and a half years that he took to finish up his benghazi investigation. >> how quickly we forget. ted lieu, thank you for joining me. for all of you, we'll have more on these protests. we'll talk about the president's expected date of july 9 to announce his pick to be the next supreme court justice. that nomination forthcoming. we'll get more after a break. intelligence, covering virtually every part of your manufacturing business. & so this won't happen. because you've made sure this sensor and this machine are integrated. & she can talk to him, & yes... atta, boy. some people assign genders to machines. and you can be sure you won't have any problems. except for the daily theft of your danish. not cool! at&t provides edge to edge intelligence. it can do so much for your business, the list goes on and on. that's the power of &. & this shipment will be delivered... well, esurance makes it simple and affordable. in fact, drivers who switched from geico to esurance saved an average of $412. that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. just for a shot. with neulasta. onpro patients get their dayr back to be with family, or just to sleep in. strong chemo can put you at risk of serious infection. in a key study neulasta reduced the risk of infection from 17% to 1%, a 94% decrease. neulasta onpro is designed to deliver neulasta the day after chemo and is used by most patients today. neulasta is for certain cancer patients receiving strong chemotherapy. do not take neulasta if you're allergic to it or neupogen (filgrastim). an incomplete dose could increase infection risk. ruptured spleen, sometimes fatal as well as serious lung problems allergic reactions, kidney injuries and capillary leak syndrome have occurred. report abdominal or shoulder tip pain, trouble breathing or allergic reactions to your doctor right away. in patients with sickle cell disorders, serious, sometimes fatal crises can occur. the most common side effect is bone and muscle ache. ask your doctor about neulasta onpro. pay no more than $25 per dose with copay card. >> you are not alone and if you ever feel alone just think of me and all the other people in the world that want to help you and your family get back together. >> you awe are sick and tired o seeing it will children, seeing little babies taken from their mothers. history will not be kind to us. the world is crying with us. . we will show the whoorld is going on in america. >> the voices resonating, the message very clear, that's repeated in at least 750 locations today as this map is indicating for you. joining me now, our politics reporter and host of fact nyc podcast. give me your interpretations of what we're seeing here. how do you speak about the voices coming together. it's extraordinary from sea to shining sea. >> there's a protest, at least one protest in every single state. california has at least 80 going on. today is extremely hot and the crowds that we're seeing, i reaching 100 degree heat but everyone is coming together to make their voices heard. what's happening is that over 2000 children are still separated from their families. >> 2047. >> 2047 to be exact and there's a plan supposedly to reunite them but they're saying up to 14 days for babies under five years old. imagine for a breast-feeding mother how long that feels. >> what do you expect to come from this? will something substantial come from this? are congress people listening? >> i would hope so. just on the moral question of separating infants from their parents is something that has to be addressed so before we get into what does this mean for electoral elections coming up, there are children and parents that need to be healed and this problem has to be addressed. after that, the conversation becomes who is on what side of this debate and what happens going forward and if you are an organizer and part of this you got huge validation that there are more people will you than against you. i expect to see more protests going forward getting closer to november. >> let's talk about what else will happen and that will be discussion about scotus, the president's nomination pick, we have republican s republicans h happens but july 9, the expectations that the president is going to go for, he has five top picks, two of them women, although only one woman has yet to be identified so maybe six, hard to do the math there. >> i think top two choices are brett kavanaugh and amy barrett. i wouldn't be surprised if he chooses a woman. it would give him the ability to say i love women, i'm the most woman loving president there ever was and it would be incredibly ironic for a woman to write the decision that overturns roe v. wade and trump would be able to say look this is a feminist move, we're very feminist. at the same time he's said that he wants someone who comes from harvard or yale. amy barrett does not. brett kavanaugh does so i think it's a tossup at this point. >> with regard to roe v. wade i want to listen to what the president said when queried about whether it will be a deciding factor on whom he chooses. >> >> are you going to ask your nominees beforehand how they might vote on roe v. wade? >> well, that's a big one and probably not. they're all saying don't do that, you don't do that, you shouldn't do that. i'm putting conservative people on but i don't think i'm going to be so specific. >> i'm going to go with what the hill is reporting which is one of the president's evangelical advisers says america's evangelical christians are more confident than ever that the landmark abortion case roe v. wade could be overturned under trump's presidency. does that square with you what you just heard or are you harkening back to his campaign rhetoric and the promises he made there and how do you square them? >> number one, there's no reason to believe what you just heard. it makes no sense whatsoever. this is a president who admittedly l admittedly lied when he said he didn't write his son's remarks and it makes no sense compared to anything he's said before. every controversy leading up to today has been the cost of admission if you are an evangelical because what they want, the show they came to see, the song they wanted to hear in the concert was roe v. wade. everything else has been leading up to this. every controversy that they've had to explain of why are you with this guy even after the "access hollywood" tape through every other controversy, separating children through families, every controversy has been leading to this. this is what they wanted and everything else before that was the price of admission. >> there are those who say the strategy behind nominating a woman if it turns out to be amy barrett, that that will diffuse the protests because she's a woman so roe v. wade might stay intact. is there any credence to that that that would stay in place? >> no, she is pro-life, she's absolutely conservative on this issue and i do think there's something to the strategy of choosing a woman and dispelling that controversy because they need nmoderate senators like le a murkowski and susan collins. but the fact of trump choosing a female nominee doesn't mean roe v. wade is not in trouble. >> i want to talk about the president e president's tweets with regard to i.c.e. and immigration, most saying there are democrats who want to abolish the a agency and he says the next step will be abolishing -- democrats want to abolish police agencies around this country which that in itself is absurd butt the concept of wanting to get rid of the i.c.e. program, is that to eradicate it when you hear new york mayor de blasio say that or they want to refresh it or fix it. >> this is sloganeering, this is about what argument and phrase wins out. abolish i.c.e. beats whatever argument is on the other side. going forward, what do you do? nobody is saying open borders. they're saying this militarized organization that has little to no discretion under trump. get rid of it. when you're campaigning in the streets and having rallies it's abolish i.c.e. what comes that have is a nuanced conversation that i don't think people are engaging in. it's trump tweets and march slogans, nothing else is part of the conversation. >> thank you for weighing in on these topics. as we keep an eye on the protests, coming up we'll talk about what the president may have up his sleeve when he meets with vladimir putin next month. let someone else do the heavy lifting. tripadvisor compares prices from over 200 booking sites to find the right hotel for you at the lowest price. so you barely have to lift a finger. or a wing. tripadvisor. your insurance so small you could fix it with a pen. how about using that pen to sign up for new insurance instead. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. liberty stands with you. liberty mutual insurance. with pg&e in the sierras. and i'm an arborist since the onset of the drought, more than 129 million trees have died in california. pg&e prunes and removes over a million trees every year to ensure that hazardous trees can't impact power lines. and since the onset of the drought we've doubled our efforts. i grew up in the forests out in this area and honestly it's heartbreaking to see all these trees dying. what guides me is ensuring that the public is going to be safer and that these forests can be sustained and enjoyed by the community in the future. thousands across this country showing their dead diagnosis protesting president trump's immigration policies, making sure the president hears their concerns. >> we have to keep this up and do more. this is the beginning of uniting. i think for weeks i've been saying where are the protests. now we're protesting. we have to keep it up and do more. >> if people can get more people into congress who believe in humanitarian efforts and the rule of law, that's what will change. >> what worries me is that the soul of our country is being stolen from beneath us and if we don't win we lose everything we could america was and could be. >> those people in washington and new york city airing their thoughts there. let's go to msnbc's mariana atencio who joins us in los angeles. i know the rally doesn't start there for 25 minutes but what are you seeing? >> the crowds have arrived alex. this rally about to get under way in los angeles. angela, y -- angelica what worke you doing? >> this administration has come to an all time low and dialed up the pain and suffering to our community. it's unacceptable that we are ripping small children from parents and not being able to reunite them. there is a court case that says babies have to be reunited within 14 days, older children within 30. it's up to us to make sure that becomes real. we need to tend zero tolerance policy criminalizing immigrants for seeking asylum after warning away from war, the worst violent but it's up to us as americans in a unified way to demand justice and humanity. >> alex, one of the things that they are asking folks who come to the rally is to donate to help them in the reunification efforts. real quick, angela how are you helping families get reunited in california? >> there is a whole group of organizations that are working day in and day out with the children to make sure that those children are given safe places and quickly connected to their parents and it's organizations like chirla, like esperanza immigrant rights projects that we need to support right now. >> thank you so much angela. it seems like the indignation is growing here and we'll keep you updated throughout the day as to the rally and crowds in los angeles. >> we will count on you for that. thank you mariana atencio. up next, what can we expect between from the summit between putin and trump? 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>> it rattled my nerves, it's crazy. i didn't think of any more diplomatic way to say it. the entire international community denounced annexation. remember, that was something we got rid of after world war ii. it helped to start world war ii around it happen happened in europe since 2014 when putin annexed crimea. there's wide agreement not just among nato allies but the world that this was wrong so for our president to be considering and say we'll see what happens, i don't understand it. it's crazy this idea and i wish the administration would stop talking about it. >> even furthering that, the president is reportedly said to have trashed nato saying nato is as bad as nafta and crimea should belong to russia because everyone speaks russia. what do you make of that? >> by that definition, we should be british, too, by the way. there is something about the president that he's -- i actually don't think he understands the international rules of the game, the liberal world order that we set up after world war ii that served the united states so well for decades and he makes these comments in a way that doesn't think about the history or stability and prosperity and you're right, it's rattling everybody in the nato alliance. when he said the eu was created to take advantage of the united states. that's not true and i really wonder what is going on with his advisers. these are people i know well. they know these statements are damaging to american national interest yet they continue to escalate as he gets closer to his meeting with vladimir putin. >> speaking of that meeting, what previous u.s. leaders have met with vladimir putin? this feels different, does it feel different? are there things about this upcoming meeting concerning you? >> many leaders met with president putin, clinton, bush, my former boss president obama and now -- and president trump has already met with him. what's different i think are two things. one is in between those other meetings i just described and our current era, putin annexed crimea, propped up a brutal rettless dictator in assad and violated our sovereignty in the 2016 presidential elections. that's happened in between and remember obama for much lesser crimes i would say or much lesser issues canceled his summit with putin in 2013 because he just pardoned and gave asylum -- not pardoned, gave asylum to edward snowden. there's no agenda. president trump, his national security adviser mr. john bolton when he was in moscow said we're not trying to get anything done, we're just trying to have a good meeting. that to me is bad diplomacy. these meetings need to be used for something concrete that is good for american national interests anden there's been no agenda defined far meeting. >> michael mcfaul, we have this meeting set for mid-july. thank you so much for your insights. the short list, the deadline coming up, views from both sides on the president's supreme court pick. i am all about living joyfully. ♪ hello. the new united explorer card hooks me up. getting more for getting away. rewarded! going new places and tasting new flavors. rewarded! traveling lighter. rewarded! 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>> as neil gorsuch pointed out in his confirmation hearings, president trump did not ask about overturning roe v. wade. i think it's important to separate politics from the role of a judge. i'm hear as spokesperson for the republican national committee. we're a party of life. we regret the fact that 60 american children are not here because of abortion. that's distinct from the role of a judge. the role of a judge is to call balls and strikes. ful i got my juris doctor from harvard law school. the head of the federalist society federalist society who helped president trump put this list together said it is not ensuring outcomes. it is judges who interpret the laws as they're meant to be interpreted. this is not about a political outcome. it is having judges who republican the rule of law and outcome. >> i'd like you to respond to that. >> i agree only in as much as this should be not about politics. it should be about the constitution. it should be about judicial responsibility. it should be about the responsibility of our senators, to provide advice and consent to this process. we know that on the campaign, trump said he was only going to nominate justices who would overturn roe v. wade. we need to look at the record of individuals who he is nominating. then it is up to our senators. the time is now for our senators to stand up for our civil rights and civil liberties and put country above the politics of partisanship and polarization. this is a time when we need to ensure that the rights of our children, the rights of my daughter, are not going to be more limited than mine are. a justice is appointed to the bench who could curtail civil liberties for the next 40 years. >> before i get to the gentlemen here, i'll do it quickly, with amy barrett being the top female name, one bantered about, one of the top two choices at this point going to the nomination process, this is somebody with a conservative background. she's pro life. yet, there's some thought that maybe the pick of a woman would sort of soften the blow with people anticipating, well, maybe she would vote to stay with roe v. wade. both of you ladies on the panel, what do you think about that? do you know that amy barrett, were she to be the nominee, would definitely support overturning roe v. wade? >> no, i don't know that. she will interpret the laws as they are written. she honors precedent. she's actually written about it. she will come to the right conclusion. i love having the idea of a woman on the court. i would point out that democrats have been saying, you know, overturning roe v. wade, they've been using this as a scare tactic, going back to 1982, when sandra day o'connor was appointed to the court. roe v. wade is still here. we're having this discussion. i think it is a scare tactic to dissuade us from picking constitution-loving, conservative issues. >> you but it but it is an issu. do you have any concerns? >> absolutely. being a woman is not a proxy for being pro choice, right? we are correct in that a judge must look at precedent and make independent decisions. right? so, we have now, a president who has committed to nominating only individuals who he believes will overturn roe v. wade. that's not to insight fear unnecessarily. >> however -- >> it's a fact. therefore, it should be something we fear. >> to that point, ned, there are a lot of women across this country, that it is a fear-inducing concept, to think roh roe v. wade would be overturned. is this something that shouldn't be put out as a litmus test for the next supreme court pick? >> first of all, i think it is something that is understood. of course it is going to be a big issue, alex. i think people are dancing around it. it is an issue. elections have consequences. this is why evangelicals came out and voted for trump in 2016. i've actually been making the argument that when they voted for him, they were late breaking. if he gives them another conservative judge, they'll be foot soldiers for him in the 2020 re-elect. you know, a lot of us at conservatives believe roe v. wade was incorrectly decided. we'd like it overturn and turned over to the legislatures. if they want to see it still a part of the law, go through the constitutional amendment process. that's the proper process that should be done. i will say two things. i think trump will appoint a 40 something member of the federal society, who is a strict originalist. i think trump understands and realizes this is his chance to give himself something that reagan and obama and clinton couldn't do. it will be the trump court. he could legitimately put the supreme court out of the reach of the left for at least a generation, if not more. he understands that. i don't think he is going to squander this chance. more importantly, i don't think mitch mcconnell will squander this chance either. >> we're all understanding what's at stake. for sure, ned. peter, your thoughts as you wrap up this conversation with the president planning to announce the pick on july 9th. the process moves to a confirmation hearing, while the calendar is racing to the mid-term election. anything the democrats can do to slow the process down? >> absolutely, they can slow it down. whether they can block it or not, too early to tell. i'm disappointed that democrats haven't gotten the transplant of a spine or a heart and has yet showed any demonstration that they're willing to do the parliamentary, as well as rallies, as for today with immigration. should be replicated around the country. i will say something. that kaylee's response is one of the most disingenuous responses. to constitutionalists and federalists would take us back to the constitution, which was for white property owners, men. it is not for blacks. it's not for hispanics. it is not for women. >> all right. i'll give you 15 minutes to respond to peter. >> the constitution is the founding document of the greatest country on earth. to cast it in a racial light is absolutely ridiculous. that lis hdishonors our foundin fathers and the principles the country stands on. >> peter, ten seconds. >> as you know, having been in cambridge, where you got your law degree, 20 miles to concord is where the shot fired around the world was heard. the shay's rebellion is the tipping point for the polarization we're feeling now. it is not dishonoring. it is recognizing what history is. >> all right. unfortunately, that'll have to be the last word. it is a big panel. i would have liked to give you a lot more time. we had a lot of live events today to get to. i thank you all for weighing in. it has been a day of rallies. hundreds of thousands of people are marching in dozens of u.s. cities today, all against the family separations carried out by the trump administration. we have live pictures as well as live reports coming your way at the top of the hour. show me the movies. 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Mission-dolores-parkCaliforniaUnited-statesBostonMassachusettsBrooklynNew-yorkHollywoodEl-pasoTexasDenmarkUnited-kingdom it must feel like to struggle the way families are struggling right now. >> we need to rebuild our immigration system from top to bottom. starting with replacing i.c.e. >> my father came to america at age 17 with $400 in his pocket. now he has his own business, a wife, my sister and i, a nice house and a beautiful neighborhood and is a proud american citizen. >> ♪ i'll make the world safe and sound for you ♪ ♪ we'll come of age in our young nation ♪ ♪ we'll fight and bleed for you ♪ ♪ we'll make it right for you ♪ if we lay a strong enough foundation ♪ >> a variety of voices at one of the largest protests which is still happening right now, just steps away from the white house here in the nation's capital, washington, d.c. diane guerrero is there on stage right now, of "orange is the new black." her parents were deported. let's listen in. >> i share my struggle to help open eyes to the agony that every one of these kids will face forever. it is not temporary. it is forever. it is for life. my situation 17 years ago was different. i could not imagine living in a cage away from my parents. away from anyone i know or anywhere i lived. i certainly cannot imagine being detained with my parents as the new policy dictates. i was looky enouucky enough not caged. they had no regard for a child left behind. what that is a good thing or a bad thing, i still don't know. but i would have had a much different story to tell if i had been imprisoned after being separated from my family. without a warm bed. and only the cold faces of i.c.e. agents and the crinkly feeling of a mylar blanket. i was lucky enough to be with my parents until i was 14. having my parents tell me that i could do anything. i was special. i matter. that gave me the confidence to last me a lifetime. i don't know why i was lucky enough to have people in my community take me in. to be able to continue school. why i was lucky enough to find work or go to college. i do know that kind of luck is one in a million. i also know i wouldn't have been so lucky. if i had been among today's generation of children who will be irreversibly damaged by our government's actions. it's a denial of children's humanity. to say because they were born in difficult or dangerous place at the wrong time, that they don't deserve a second chance. that they shouldn't ask for refuge. how many more children are we willing to subject to a lifetime of pain? once my family was taken, i became fully aware that my community matters less to some people. that we are treated differently because of the color of our skin or where our parents were born. but we are now in a moment where we can no longer be blind to the blatant disregard of human life. this time, the stakes are too visible. too well documented. to be ignored. it has reached you. it has reached all of us. and forced us to ask ourselves what kind of country do we want to be? one that violates the rights of children, including the fundamental right to seek asylum? or do we want to be an america that values children and families and the freedom to be who we are? and let's not forget our citizen children and our citizen children of color whose lives are threatened every day for reasons beyond immigration status. as one who has seen firsthand, i have taught myself to have hope. i have to believe that this is an opportunity for us to rise above the tyranny. the ignorance. the malpractice. and believe in change. this is a chance for us to come together as a nation and rise above division and fear. only then can we stop the separation of families and stop the policies that place children in cages. so far our families and children, let us march and make our voices heard. remember, remember, this in november. remember this in november. when we march to the polls. remember our anger. the outrage. and the desire to act. remember in november that the end to these cruel policies starts with us. i miss you every day. thank you. >> actress diane guerrero there of orange is the new black. it has become one of the largest dem money stationstrations acro country today. just steps away from the white house. the president is not there, he is in new jersey, but surely he is hearing the calls from people across the country in these many demonstrations. let's go to our correspondent, justice correspondent jessica schneider there in the nation's capital as well as our rene marsh. jessica, how people are reacting to what they're hearing on stage what they're committing to do from this day forward? >> yes, fredricka. it's really interesting because the rally is still somewhat happening up in lafayette park across the from the white house. we kind of trickled out thinking the march had begun. you can see some people coming behind me. while we were kind of figuring out what we should do next, i ran into these two people. mary and jean albrecht. you guys are from virginia. it was extremely interesting talking to you. jean, you used to be a republican but you're not in favorite of what you're seeing happen now. >> because to me the republicans have gone about the money grab and transfer of wealth. whereas they don't care about the people anymore. and in particular these immigration policies, to me, they're not christian to begin with. and separating families to me is just -- that's above and beyond. >> mary, you have family in mexico. your sister married a mexican man, moved to mexico. they have kids there. what are your thoughts coming out here today? >> the thought that my own family would have difficulty coming across the border if they needed to seek asylum for any reason chills me to the bone. that they would separate my nieces from their parents or my extended family down there who have babies. i have people who -- in my family who could potentially be in this position horrifies me -- >> what do you want to see this administration do? >> they need to remember how our country was founded. we were founded on the premise that all of us are equal, all of us deserve a place here and that we have the freedom and liberty to make it work. we all have to work together. it's chilling. this administration should be completely -- they should be removed. they need to go away. >> are you hoping to get that message to the president, to congress? about just start marching here, up towards capitol hill? what do you want them to know? >> well, i would like them to listen to what's being said at the protest. i don't truly expect that to happen, but if enough people start talking about it, you know, obviously donald trump had to basically reverse the child separation policy, because so many people were against it. now, i'm hoping that enough people come against the policy of charging the people as criminals and so that some of these policies can get reversed and we can go back to having some morality. >> well, mary and jean albrecht, thank you. i know you're nursing a hurt foot so good luck with this walk here. those are the stories you're hearing. you have people from right around the washington, d.c. area. i've talked to people from all over the country who have come out here from multiple rallies. they say they've been to d.c. for the women's rally and other rallies here but now coming to lend their voices. while it might look a little bit bare behind us, that's because it's been a bit scattered here. people are still up in lafayette park at the rally. and then soon they'll make their way down here on to pennsylvania avenue and then make their way toward capitol hill where, again, they're just looking to flood these streets, show their outrage and get out their voices, fred. >> all right, and jessica, clearly the heat has not deterred a lot of people. i see you working with your bottle of water. the very hot in the nation's capital right now. our rene marsh is also in washington. and, in fact, near that lafayette park jessica was just referring to. how are people holding up? is the heat in any way making an impact? >> well, you know, fred, we saw, you know, just a bit down the ways here from the park, we saw a fire truck just basically spraying out water. we're assuming to keep people cool. you know, people are commenting on just how warm it is, but it's actually secondary because everything that they're hearing up on the stage, which the stage is right behind me here. folks are still, as you can see, some have strikele el trickled . there's still many packed in here as the program starts to wind down. they will start moving. i want to take you through the crowd and show you who's here. young peel, old people, folks from all around the country. as jessica said. we have this young lady here, your mom, your mom of these two young ladies. you brought them out. they're holdinging their sign. says, i fear my president, not immigrants. tell me a little bit about why you brought your two daughters out here today. >> because it's important for them to understand that for change to happen, they have to be engaged. we're sending a message to donald trump, to the republicans, to all of his supporters, that we're not going to just stand and do nothing about it. we're going to raise our voices. we're going to march. we're going to protest until there's real change. >> thank you so much. thank you so much. fred, come with me. we're going to kind of just walk through the crowd here. folks are holding signs. yes, it's a warm hot day. it's not deterring anyone. i can tell you, there's a lot of emotion out here. everything from you saw some people on the stage crying, to people downright angry with these policies. there's so much emotion in the crowd. what are you feeling as you hear these firsthand accounts of how these policies are affecting families on the -- >> oh, inspiration and sadness, fear for our country and what might come next but inspiration that we're all out here today and we're going to put this fight, start this fight and keep full-court press. >> that's the thing we've been hearing, you know. i've seen signs here today where it says it's not about other people's babies. this is not just about washington and bad policies. what it is -- it is about that but it's also about families and recognizing the individuals on the border looking to come to the united states also need to be treated with compassion. so as we walk through the crowd and as we talk to people, the number one message that i keep on hearing is they want the president to hear their voices. of course, we know he's not in washington this weekend. he's in new jersey. but they also want speak directly to the immigrants, the people who are looking to come to the united states. many people said they're embarrassed by these policies. we do expect soon we will start to be on the move. so the plan is that we will walk from lafayette park. we will head to the department of justice. and then we will walk down pennsylvania avenue. of course that will be shut down. and then we will head right to the base of the u.s. capitol building. that is the plan for everyone in this park today. everyone very enthusiastic about getting this message out and of course televised nationwide, fred. >> rene marsh, thank you. jessica schneider as well. all right, we continue to follow these rallies unfolding across america. demonstrators taking to the streets in protest of family separations at the u.s. southern border. protests are happening in new york, los angeles and chicago. we'll take you to those places live next. paying too much for insurance you don't even understand? 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>> the scenes in new york very similar to what's happening across the country. as i step out of the way so we can give you a wider view, believe it or not, people continue to come into this park. you see some empty pockets because there's quite a few folks seeking shelter from the sun. it is definitely a hot day. but it's certainly not keeping people from making their way out here. of course the unified message which you'll find on the stage is how to protect families. at the same time, calling on the government to really get its act together, to try to come up with a plan to reunify the families that were separated in the days after the implementation of the trump zero tolerance policy. important to point out, fred, a lot of people i've been speaking to who say they've been part of this movement for years. even before president trump took his oath of office, they have been protesting the way the government handles the immigration issue. this zero tolerance policy has simply reignited the cause. so they're certainly grateful for that, certainly grateful for the attention this issue has now. it is their opportunity to step into the spotlight and, as they say, try to affect some form of change. we heard from some democrats lawmakers earlier today who marched over the brooklyn bridge who said november is when people can make it count. after of course the attention could potentially go away. people are still coming across the brooklyn bridge, making their way here to this plaza in brooklyn. this demonstration happening across the river. least it started there in lower manhattan, fred. >> polo sandoval in new york, thank you so much. let's go to chicago now. where we find cnn's ryan young. ryan, your marching with folks. what's happening? >> we're marching down clark street. of course, they've been gathering for quite some time. a lot of the conversation is just about what the crowd wanted to hear. you can hear the crowd's passion. we've been walking along with this family. what brought you here today? i see you carrying a little one. what brought you here? >> there's a lot of challenge in figuring out what we can do to make a difference besides voting in november and this feels like a way to have our voices heard faster and make some kind of impact because this is wrong, children should not be taken from their parents period. >> can you imagine being separateded from your little one? >> no, don't ever take my children from me, don't ever. >> what would you want d.c. to hear from this march? >> they need to fix it. they need to stop this practice now and they need to go back and reunite those families. they did not keep track of those children. they do not have practices in place to make sure that they can reunite them. they need to get figuring it out now. >> thank you so much for taking the tile for us. fred, there's just a lot of passion. as we walk you forward here, this crowd stretches more than a mile down the road here. the police officers are on either side making sure that no traffic interrupts this. but the passion you felt from the people who are here has been enormous. in fact, when we talked to senator durbin earlier, he said he would not take the stage because he wanted the people here to have the main voice. one of the things he talked about was making sure people didn't wait until november to vote and talk about community organizing. that's something we've heard over and over again. you see a sign like this one right here. where this man is carrying just like this. if you don't mind me asking you, just if you had a message for the president, what would you want to tell him at this point? >> leave office. >> you feel that passionately about it? >> very. he's the worst thing to happen to this country. >> you hear the passion from people as they walk. this crowd is very diverse. one of the things i talked to a man about is he says he was a soldier. he never protested before. he felt embarrassed by the idea of what was going on at the border so he felt it was his duty to come here and be a marshal. those marshals are sort of walking around with the people as they hit street. you see a different collection of people as we walk through. i'm just kind of bopping into people as we go here. what brought you here today, just in terms of wanting to have your voice heard? >> i just think it's important to stand up for what you believe in and i believe families are important, so i showed up. >> what's the passion like here in the streets? >> it's really positive energy. feels like people are bumping into each other but still like, no, you're good, you're good. a really encouraging place to be. >> thank you so much. so you hear this, you can see people who have this voice. and you can see this, people talking about the wall. sending it back to you. this has been a collective going on for quite some time. they believe there's maybe 10,000 people in the streets, could be more. >> all right, from chicago, ryan young, let's go now to portland, oregon, and dan simon. dan, what's happening there? >> hi, fredricka. it is a nice cool day here in portland. we are in a park which is basically in the center of the city. you can see things getting under way here. fred, we have to tell you that just a couple miles away from where we are, there has been an encampment right at the i.c.e. headquarters. this started on june 17th. we're now at the two-week point. the folks at i.c.e. where they formed a tent city, they're not going anywhere. we saw a few days ago where dhs officers made some arrests. about eight people were arrested. around the facility, you have this tent city. they have quite an infrastructure there, fredricka. we saw a food pantry. we saw a place where kids can do arts and craft. there's a first aid tent. i want you to listen to what one of the protesters had to say. >> right now, you see the officers in front of the building. where do things go from here? >> it will essentially be a waiting game. we need change. apparently they need to watch us. as long as we're here, they're here, and we're not going anywhere. we need for these policies and these agencies to be abolished. this is something that has to happen. >> well, they are certainly in it for the long haul, fred. the mayor of portland, he is supportive of what they're doing. he says police officers will not be used to remove any of those protesters. basically, as long as they stay on city property, they should be able to stay there indefinitely. portland has a history of civic activism. we see that as more and more people gather at this park. >> dan i'm, thank you. variety of demonstrations coast to coast. the president, he's not in washington, d.c. but he seemingly has been able to escape the protests, maybe. demonstrators are gathered where he is in new jersey, we'll take you there live next. ♪ hawaii is in the middle of the pacific ocean. we're the most isolated population on the planet. ♪ hawaii is the first state in the u.s. to have 100% renewable energy goal. we're a very small electric utility. but, if we don't make this move we're going to have changes in our environment, and have a negative impact to hawaii's economy. ♪ verizon provided us a solution using smart sensors on their network that lets us collect near real time data on our power grid. 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marching. they're chanting. they're all gathering to contest the trump administration's zero tolerance policy leading to the separation of children and their parents on the southern borders. we're also keeping a close watch on what's taking place in the nation's capital as well as in new york. the president is not at the white house right now. but he is in bedminister, new jersey, and some of the demonstrations have followed him to that proximity. while the president may have thought he was getting away from it all, well, boris sanchez is with us now to let us know that people have found their way fairly close to where the president is, this near holiday weekend. >> that's right, fred. our photographer mark walls is heading over to this location. it's a library some three miles or so away from the bedminister property where they've gathered protesters there to send a message to president trump. of course, he's spending the weekend at his property in bed minister. it's unclear how much of that unrest he is going to see. though he did weigh in on twitter this morning. not necessarily about protests, but about his immigration policy. he pointed the finger at democrats like new york senator kirsten gillibrand who are calling for the end of i.c.e. they're calling for immigration and customs enforcement to be abolished. the president suggesting that all democrats want that. and then sort of trying to draw a line between that and a slippery slope where democrats may want to abolish all police. unclear exactly where the president is getting that. but, again, he is spending the weekend here in bed minister. he made news yesterday announcing he may be spending time this weekend interviewing one or two potential candidates to replace justice anthony kennedy on the supreme court. he announced his retirement earlier this week. we're working on getting reaction from the white house on these protests and whether there's indication as to how these meetings may be going. we have yet to hear back. >> boris sanchez, keep us posted, from new jersey, thank you so much. so these rallies are taking place from coast to coast. demonstrations are just about to get going actually in los angeles. you see them happening in washington where people have gathered, in chicago there, people are marching through streets for a mile long, in l.a., they're gathering. we'll take you there live next. the day after chemo shouldn't mean going back to the doctor just for a shot. with neulasta onpro patients get their day back to be with family, or just to sleep in. strong chemo can put you at risk of serious infection. in a key study neulasta reduced the risk of infection from 17% to 1%, a 94% decrease. neulasta onpro is designed to deliver neulasta the day after chemo and is used by most patients today. neulasta is for certain cancer patients receiving strong chemotherapy. do not take neulasta if you're allergic to it or neupogen (filgrastim). an incomplete dose could increase infection 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there should be a good turnout. california is home to perhaps the largest undocumented population in this country. and also speaking here today they tell us will be the families of those affected by the immigration policies being enacted right now. you'll see the signs all over the place. before we thought monsters were under our beds but now the monsters are out. i've also seen oprah 2020 buttons for sale. we have a gentleman here, a veteran who says a muslim undocumented doctor save might life. we're expecting about 10,000 people here. it doesn't kick off for another 20 minutes or so. the crowd is building. we will see exactly how many march to vent their fraustratio. >> nick watt, thank you so much. still so much more straight ahead in the "newsroom" as we continue to follow the marching happening from coast to coast. first, don't forget to check out the new cnn film "american jail. it takes a look at the question of whether mass incarcerations are justify order if they're a major 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>> that's a great question, fred and, you know, we only got the acknowledgement from the government for the first time yesterday about the court order. that was the first we heard from them. they basically said we're going to comply. but they offered no new information to us about how they're going to do it. and, you know, i actually went back and dug up -- there was a court hearing on may 4th in a family separations case that had already been going on. this was just a few days before they announced the zero tolerance policy. it turns out now we know one of those defendants was actually prosecuted under a pilot of this program. the judge asked the attorney for the government, will these parents be reunified or is it basically this black hole, judge called it, where they go into detention and then it's up to them and their lawyers to find the kids. and the attorney for the government basically said that's right, and three days later, they rolled this out nationwide. we know all along that was sort of their plan, that was going to be up to the parents and their attorneys to find their children elsewhere in government custody to reunite them. >> a lot of these parents don't really know, you know, some of those who are being detained, they don't know they could be afforded that kind of representation. certainly there are kids who don't even know how to communicate with any kind of legal representation. when you see protests like this across the country, when this administration sees these demonstrations, might this in any way affect change? help to speed up these reunifications even? >> i don't know if the president of the public proset of test is to make a difference, because this administration was committed to implementing this zero tolerance policy, which then had the effect of separating the children from the parents. it's really unconscionable what the department of homeland security and health and human services and the attorney have done in terms of implementing a policy that is going to separate kids from their families without any plan to reunify them. articulation of a legal justification for them having separated the families to begin with. the rights of the parents to be reunited with their children, but it's also the rights of the children not to have been separated to begin with from their parent with no idea of when they are ever going to be reunited or see them again. it needs to be fixed and the secretary of homeland security and the secretary of hhs, they need to take responsibility for seeing that these kids get reunited with their parents as soon as possible. >> when you hear there really was no plan of bringing them back together it's almost an acknowledgment from the administration that they didn't really care. >> did they care? did they not think about it? those of you watching this administration we constantly struggle with whether or not there are intentionally cruel things being done or whether they are just absolutely incompetent. those of us who are watchers of the government and observers of how this policy is implemented constantly struggle with which one is it or is it both? in this case, though, they know they have a problem, they know they need to fix it and the request he is who in government is taking responsibility for doing so? >> so, david, cruel or incompetent, which is it? >> well, you know, in the years i've been reporting in washington, which is, you know, approaching a quarter century now, usually incompetence wins the day no matter who the administration is because frequently what happens is a policy gets promulgated without anybody really checking about what it would do to -- what would it take to implement it. that's particularly true, we found, in the trump administration because usually policies bubble their way up, go through a process, right? at which point people sort of sort out how would we do this in a real way and then a recommendation goes to the president. in fact, a lot of policies here start with the president and his top aides, bubble their way down until somebody comes back and says, well, sir, that isn't actually possible to go do. in this case i think it's a bit of a mix because i don't think they -- because they said outright that they wanted to use this as a deterrent, they didn't really care whether there was a process set up for the reunification because that would have undercut the deterrent. >> tim, this is a combination of intent and mistake, and this is the consequence of all of that. >> well, that's -- to build on what david just said -- that's generally what happens with presidential leadership, which is it's a bit of -- since you can't control all the pieces at once, no president can, but this is an administration that is understaffed, let's not forget that they don't even have people at the various levels of government to implement their ideas. >> but can you blame being understaffed with not having an idea of how do we execute a plan? >> no, i'm trying -- i'm actually responding to the point about incompetence. the other issue is intent and we know what the intent is. after all, the president has been extraordinarily clear that he is more interested in people who happen to be here than people who wish to come here. he's tough about it and i would say mean spirited about it, but it's clear to us that he doesn't care about these people coming in. so the fact that families are being dismembered or taken apart, to him that's not the issue. the issue is we don't want you. i don't think that's how most americans think about it, but i think the president's intent has been clear all along. his problem is he can't competently put in place his intentions, which is actually probably a good thing in many cases, certainly in this one. >> now a splinter conversation is -- or debate now is, you know, getting rid of i.c.e., immigration, customs, you know, and is that really the answer? i mean, karrie, do you see that that's a legitimate argument to make? is this i.c.e.'s fault, the execution of this plan, is it i.c.e.'s fault? >> it makes a nice sound bite to say let's just abolish i.c.e. that clearly is a political attack that some in the political debate are taking. i taught a course at georgetown law on intelligence and all the agencies that were created and changed after september 11th and dhs and the creation of i.c.e. was one of those entities where we had post 9/11 entities that were directed towards terrorism and bolstering our homeland security and they were created. we are now over 15 years past that point. >> so it's time of modification. >> is it fair to be asking the questions about do we need to restructure, are these agencies implementing -- >> restructuring is different than abolishing. >> it doesn't make a lot of sense to say we are going to abolish the agency. you need to have an immigration agency who processes people who want to come here, those who come illegally and need to be handled administratively. it ignores the fact that government needs to function, on the other hand, it's fair to say should we be revisiting whether these agencies are appropriately implementing their authorities, whether or not these agencies need to be changed in terms of their management structure and, in fact, there was a letter from i.c.e. special agents in charge saying we are on the inside of the agency and we think maybe things need to change. >> are these campaign issues? is this going to, you know, affect change midterms? >> it's certainly going to be an issue on both sides because on the one hand the president has said to many of his supporters that his supporters love this concept. he basically made immigration the main -- one of the main themes of how he got elected. whether the elimination of ice will -- remember on the right there used to be discussion of eliminate the department of education. some suggested eliminate the irs. well, at the end of the day when you are all done with that, you still need to educate the kids and you still need to find a way to collect taxes. even if you eliminated i.c.e. you still need to find a way to go process immigrants, figure out who is going to get asylum, who is not, who you are going to allow in on orderly immigration. so eliminating the institution to my mind doesn't actually get at the core of the problem. >> and we should be clear, this is one policy that i.c.e. is barely involved in. that's one of the interesting things about it. i.c.e. has become this figure head and i think part of it is its now former director tom homan who helped, but i.c.e. isn't the ones doing this, it's customs and border protection that actually enforces. it's a completely separate component. >> all right. tai, karrie, david, thanks to all of you. i appreciate it. much more on the breaking news of these demonstrations taking place from coast to coast. dear foremothers, your society was led by a woman, who governed thousands... ...commanded armies... ...yielded to no one. when i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. my name is courtney mckinney, and this is my ancestrydna story. now with 2 times more geographic detail than other dna tests. order your kit at ancestrydna.com. i'm 85 years old in a job where. i have to wear a giant hot dog suit. what? 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PortlandOregonUnited-statesHollywoodCaliforniaCapitol-hillDistrict-of-columbiaNew-yorkMexicoTogoLafayette-parkNew-jersey mix? maybe. a new report on what new role she might play in the white house, rit here on "msnbc live." we begin with a picture of the white house appearing to challenge a new court order that families detained under the zero tolerance policy must be released within 20 days. so the "washington post" is reporting that the new filing does not explicitly say that the trump administration plans to hold families in custody beyond the 20-day limit. however it says officials plan to detain them as they go through immigration proceedings. which in many cases can last for months. now the news coming as about 750 demonstrations are set for today. in an effort to pressure the administration to reunite some of these families. and put an end to the zero tolerance policy. meanwhile president trump is at home in new jersey this weekend, and shifting his focus to the short list of candidates that he's considering for justice kennedy's replacement. here's what he said in an interview last night on whether the supreme court's landmark abortion decision will play a factor. >> are you going to ask your nominees beforehand how they might vote on roe versus wade? >> well that's a big one and probably not. they're all saying, you don't do that you shouldn't do that but i'm putting conservative people on. i don't think i'm going to be so specific. >> we have lot of people helps us sort out the day's headlines. white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. nbc's garrett headache. kelly is in new jersey and garrett in washington, cal perry in texas covering the protests to reunite migrant families. and also with us, kaitlyn burns from real clear politics. kelly, we're going to go to you first following the president in berkeley heights, new jersey. that's where he is spending the weekend. kelly, high on the president's agenda is the supreme court pick. what's the latest on that front? good morning, alex. the president is tweeting about his plans to announce the pick on july 9th. he's here with his family in new jersey for the weekend. spending time at his home on the trump property that is also the golf resort in bedminster, new jersey. he packed with him apparently the short list, a working list of 25 names and the president says he may have as many as six or seven that are in contention, and he may use part of this weekend and next to try to do some of the interview process to begin the selection. >> the president returned to his new jersey estate friday. for the first time in nearly nine months. while aboard air force one he revealed his legacy-making decision, his second supreme court nominee will be announced july 9. narrowed down if his working list of 25. look, i like them all. >> but i'm, i've got it down to about five. >> and his bedminster home could be the site for interviews. much like when he filled out his cabinet. >> i may have two of them come like the old days to bedminster, right? in an interview on fox business, the president was discussed if he would discuss abortion rights with job candidates in. >> that's a big one. probably not. they're all saying don't do that, you shouldn't do that, but i'm putting conservative people on. >> judging a caller's true identity, got by white house officials. aboard air force one wednesday night, the president was pranked by radio personality john melendez, a forum howard stern sidekick. the president apparently thought he was talking to new jersey democratic senator bob menendez. the phony caller even asked about immigration. >> they got to have security at the border. and that's a good issue for the democrats, too, bob. it's not like it's good for you or good for me. it's good for both of us. >> the authentic senator menendez used the joke to make a statement. saying i welcome any opportunity to have a real conversation with the president on how to uphold the american values. still hard to believe that such a call could actually take place. nbc hasn't been able to independently verify. can you judge if that sounds like the president. what does stand out is we've asked the white house a number of times, how did this happen? was this in fact the president's voice? they have declined to respond and certainly if it were not the president's voice, they would have ample opportunities to tell thaus it was the wrong thing. so figure this out for yourself how you want to address that. it was one of those instances where the president apparently speaking to someone he's known for many years, we're in new jersey, the president is a property owner here and bob menendez is a long-time senator from this state. the president will not be seeing the protests in washington, by virtue of being here for the weekend. >> they're happening right outside his door. kelly o'donnell, we'll see you again. kelly was mentioning the nationwide protests today, planned over president trump's immigration policy. let's go to nbc's garrett headache. across the street from the white house. where many of the protesters will be rallying today, it's in essence, garrett, sort of the epicenter of all of this today. what do we expect to see? >> we're just across the street from the white house here. organizers expect this empty park to fill up by the time things really get going here. around 11:00 today. attendees will be here for a rally. and a march across washington, could have as many as 50,000 people in attendance. the buzz phrase is to keep families together. that has been the key motivating issue. protests across the country since the zero tolerance policy at the border started to get so much attention. we've got a preview of the intensity of emotion over this a few days ago when there was a massive protest. almost 500 people in one of the senate office buildings here in washington. it speaks to the emotion of this issue. one of the main acts here today will be lynn-manuel miranda of "hamilton" fame. and kelly mentioned that the president won't see this not being in washington, d.c., but it will be very difficult to ignore the pictures, if you have 50,000 people here in washington and thousands more in cities all across the country which is the expectation this will be a nationwide movement with its center here in washington, d.c. but the idea being to draw attention to this issue in as many communities as possible. alex? >> okay. garrett headache where all the action gets under way shortly. thank you for that from washington. joining me now, kaitlyn huey-burns, political reporter for real clear politics. and alex siteswald. alex, are these protests more symbolic, or do you think they have tangible impact? >> i think they're largely symbolic, alex. but if you go back to the women's march, the first one that kicked this off the day after trump's inauguration last year, i remember a lot of concern among progressives and people involved in the mark that the energy would not sustain itself. and since then we've seen the march for science and attacks march. march for our lives which was the gun march after the parkland shooting. so i think they are very enthused that we continue to see these large demonstrations coming out, it keeps the energy up at a time when activists might want to tune out and give up. the biggest impact might be more internally inside the quote-unquote resistance to keep people engaged. >> what do you think in terms of confidence, kaitlyn? is the topic of immigration, is that giving democrats a boost going into the mid-terms? >> well it certainly is something that is appears at this point to really mobilize folks. we're seeing there has been a lot that has happened this week. but these protesters are trying to keep the issue of immigration, particularly the crisis at the border, that is still ongoing, 2,000 children still separated from their parents according to reports, keep that in the spotlight. the democrats feel like they have a lot to run on, this cycle in the mid-terms and i think we're starting to see immigration become one of those motivating factors. we've seen it certainly on the republican side for a long time now. but according, you know looking at these protests today. and what alex mentioned about these protests serving as organizing tools, you know, helping to register people to vote, helping to get people involved, i think you could see that kind of sustained and depending on what the administration does. >> okay. let's look at another topic that has far-reaching consequences. because alex, the president has already said he wants to pick a young supreme court justice, someone who could serve for decades. so age is a factor. what are the other ones that you're certain that will be in play as the candidates are vetted? >> well ideology is certainly a factor. trump has indicated that he would choose from a list of conservative judges, largely vetted by the federalist society. conservative judicial group. and trump in 2016 remember, said very controversially that he would only appoint a justice to the supreme court who would overturn roe v. wade. so there's already a lot of concern about that on the left and a lot of excitement on the right. these are people who have been fighting to overturn roe v. wade for decades. and action turning to the states where people are looking to enact state laws to protect abortion rights should roe v. wade be overturned. down the line there's so many things that the supreme court touches, that the president has to be careful as he played in the clip where he can't necessarily ask these judges how they would vote on specific things if they were confirmed, but you can look at their case rods, can you ask around the question to get an idea of whether they're with you or not. >> kaitlyn i'll curious what you make of all this. the president, alex is correct. he said that's key thing. he would definitely appoint a supreme court justice to overturn roe v. wade. in the interview recently, even this last night he says well you know, we're not, that's a big question. not planning to ask it. is that just a wink and a nod. do we know he's signaled he's not going to appoint somebody who isn't on the side of overturning roe v. wade? >> we've been told that the president has been considering justices that were on that list of 25 or so, that were put forth by you know the heritage foundation and justices who would or potential justices who would in fact adhere to conservative principles. and you've heard conservatives talk about everybody on that list would be acceptable to them in terms of that issue in particular. you're going to hear whoever emerges as the nominee, you're going to hear grilling from lawmakers during confirmation about this issue. it's really interesting, we're also thinking about ways in which democrats you know how very little leverage in terms of blocking the president's nominee. and so they're starting to articulate a message to, to hopefully pick off they think hopefully, pick off a couple of moderate republicans on the issue of roe v. wade. but also on the issue of health care. and you've heard from some red state democrats, even, some concern, those are going to be the the key votes in terms of keeping the democratic coalition together. joe manchin from west virginia, democrat, giving an interview yesterday, talking about if this person does indeed want to overturn roe v. wade or want to overturn the aca, affordable care act, that would raise concern for some people. >> interesting. i'm going to say two words. hope hicks. there are thoughts she may be returning to the white house. the president addressed this on board air force one. let's listen to what he said. well she be coming back to the white house, hope hicks? i've seen a report about that. >> i don't know, but i love hope. she's great. i hope that maybe -- i've been hearing little things like that. >> to both of you, i'll let you respond to this alex, first. there is the report, "vanity fair" had it in an article with the headline saying that she could be the next chief of staff. what are you hearing about that prospect or any other role for hope hicks in the white house? >> no one seems to leave trump's orbit entirely, they might be kicked to the outer reaches, but they continue to mine tan contact with the president and sometimes come back. this would be a faster return than we've seen for anyone else. there is, simultaneously a lot of rumors that john kely, the chief of staff might leave that sarah huckabee sanders, rod shaw in the press department might leave. and hope hicks has been with the president for a long, long time. she was there before he got into his presidential run. she's very, very close to him. she seems to have a connection with him that very few other staffers, very few people outside his family do. >> and she has a good relationship with the press the way that very few people in trump's world do. she's seen as fair and somebody you can work with, unlike some other people there. >> a final thought from you, kaitlyn? >> hope hicks is one of the few that's left this white house in the good graces of the president. she left on her own volition. it raises the question of why people would want to come back into this white house, given everything that they've experienced, you can tell even the president acknowledged that it's exhausting. >> kaitlyn and alex, thank you. more about the personal vendetta behind that attack on a maryland newspaper that left five people dead. the "capital gazette" filed harassment reports against the suspect in 2015. mike, good saturday morning to you. what's the latest on the investigation? >> good morning to you, alex. and first of all, this community, this historic community of annapolis, maryland trying to recover from the shock of the killing of five individuals in this building behind me. newspaper men and women at the the "capital gazette" in annapolis. five dead at the hands allegedly of this shooter, jarrod ramos. last night the community coming together in several venues for vigils, it's become an all-too-familiar sight around this country. in the main street of annapolis, they marched holding the copies of that day's newspaper, pup lished in spite of everything. they hold them aloft as they marched down main street. a vigil held talking about what's needed to heal this community and what's needed to address this spate of horrific shootings that happen around the country. one of the victims, the daughters of the victim, wendy winters, spoke with us last night and talked about her grief. >> i miss her very much. this is a senseless tragedy. and i have to life now without my mother. >> alex, i don't want to stand here and talk about what happened without mentioning the names of the victims one more time. rob hiaasen, wendy winter is rebecca smith, gerald fishman and rob mcnamara. jarrod ramos appeared by video hookup from the courtroom where he was denied bail. this newspaper pursued harassment charges against ramos in 2013 after a series of belligerent, threatening tweets towards the newspaper. they had published an account of his harassment of a former high school classmate. he had been harassing her. the newspaper ultimately dropped that suit. he did not have any record of a purchase of a firearm in maryland. the attorney for the newspaper said it would have been like sticking a stick into a beehive. they didn't want to provoke him. alex. >> mike, i'm glad you made mention of all five of their names, instead of just allowing them to be part of a horrible statistic that keeps growing by the day. the impending supreme court nomination vote may not fall along party lines. we have msnbc elections guru steve kornacki in studio. with the key races that may factor in how the nomination vote goes. i drink boost optimum. boost optimum with 5 in 1 advanced nutrition helps support muscle, energy, bone, normal immune function, and vision. boost optimum. be up for life. need a change of scenery? the kayak price forecast tool tells you whether to wait or book your flight now. so you can be confident you're getting the best price. giddyup! kayak. search one and done. justice kennedy's retirement makes the issue of senate control one of the vital issues of our time. the most important thing we can do. democrats want judges who will rewrite the constitution any way they want to do it. and take away your second amendment, erase your borders. throw open the jailhouse doors and destroy your freedoms. >> there's the president calling on his base to elect more republican senators at a rally in north dakota this week. while senate republicans are hoping for smooth sailing on the confirmation of the president's next supreme court pick before the election. well democrats hope to complicate the matter as best they can, given that they are the senate minority. steve kornacki, msnbc national political correspondent is here with a look at the state of play in the senate. let's get to it. good morning, steve. >> good morning, alex. let's take a quick look at the math here, democrats want to stop this their activists want them to. the problem for democrats on paper, they don't have the votes. there's no more filibuster in the senate on these things. remember that so 49 is what democrats have, 49 is not enough. so a couple of things for democrats, they got to stay united and they got to pick off some republican, let's take a look here at how that breaks down. in terms of the critical question there of can democrats pick off republicans? potentially these are the two folks they're talking about right now. collins, murkowsky, both pro choice republican senators, both sending some signals this week that hey, you know maybe not necessarily automatic yes votes on nomination from this administration. so those are the two right now that the speculation is kind of focusing on. other potential ones up here, we haven't seen any signals from them. so look at it this way. let's say that collins and murkowsky ended up being no votes, that's a huge, huge "if" here. but let's say republicans have 51 votes. john mccain is sidelined. that takes republicans down to 50. the bare minimum. if you lose collins, if you lose murkowsky, obviously now you're down to 48. and for the moment, that's not enough. kbu the flip side. if you take the 48 and look at the democrats there are democrats who are running for re-election this year in states that donald trump carried. states not just that he carried, but carried in a landslide. so those democrats, tremendous political pressure on them. in particular joe manchin, west virginia. heidi heitkamp, north dakota, you played trump in north dakota this week. joe donnelly in indiana. trump winning these states by 20, 30, 40 points in 2016. all three of these last year voted for neil gorsuch, trump's first supreme court nominee. we run 48 on the last screen. if you have those two republican defections, if heitkamp ends up being a yes vote that would be 49. donnelly, that would be 50. manchin that would take to you 51. there's a track record, these three already voted for a trump supreme court pick. all three of them are fighting for their political lives this year. in states that trump won in a landslide. that's the ace in the hole republicans are kind of thinking on this. they got the 51 and got some tremendous pressure on these three democrats, keep an eye, unlessen in florida, said he's not an automatic. doug jones, he's not up this year, but he's up in 2020. not a long way off and alabama you know, the circumstances he won that seat very unusual, going to be very hard for him to hang on in a state trump won by almost 30 points. when republicans look at this and say we got the votes, we can get this through in september, that's what they're thinking, they're thinking hey, long shot a lose murkowsky and colins, even if do you, there's going to be tremendous political pressure on the democrats to go along with the administration to try to save their own jobs. >> pretty extraordinary how a looming re-election can influence how someone will vote on something. >> the mid-terms and your interpretation of what we take away from the alexandria ocasio-cortez defeat of joe crowley. >> i guess these things happen in life sometimes. it's shocking, beyond surprising when it happens and then you start to look back at it and you say -- well why didn't we all see this coming? i think that's sort of the case here with this joe crowley race. on paper you're talking about he's number four democrat in washington, but really he was number two. he was next in line when pelosi stepped aside and yet back in his district, the demographics were changing he was sort of a throw-back politician, sort of an old-school machine politician in a district that was getting much more diverse. it was 75% nonwhite. he was put in there by a political machine two decades ago. you had an activated base, a changing district. you had an incumbent. some indications maybe he wasn't fully paying attention, there's the perfect storm scenario. i think the broader implications beyond the district in new york. that's the democratic nationally. it is getting younger, more diverse, it is moving to the left politically. when you start looking ahead to 2020 in the presidential race, those demographic changes, those ideological changes that did in joe crowley, are they going to reverberate in the presidential race. >> given this margin, do you have a map that can show a clear path of how democrats take control of the senate? >> i say there is no clear path. if you want to talk about senate control, on paper as we said right now 51/49 for republicans. normally a mid term year is good for the opposition party. democrats are already sitting on 49. they wouldn't need much to get over 50, they need two, 51 is what they need. the problem for democrats is this. all of the seats, minus doug jones in alabama, every single one of these things you see here is a democrat running for re-election this year in a state tra trump won. they've got to carry all of those just to stay at 49. already there's polling that has heitkamp trailing in north dakota, donnelly looks like he's in trouble there. missouri, florida, they could lose ground. the only two big gain opportunities, nevada, arizona, maybe tennessee. so it's one of those on paper it's there for democrats, but then you start looking at it and wow, that map does not look friendly to them. can you come on my show every day, steve kornacki? within hours refugees displaced by a hurricane are homeless and out on the streets. the day after chemo shouldn't mean going back to the doctor just for a shot. with neulasta onpro patients get their day back to be with family, or just to sleep in. strong chemo can put you at risk of serious infection. in a key study neulasta reduced the risk of infection from 17% to 1%, a 94% decrease. neulasta onpro is designed to deliver neulasta the day after chemo and is used by most patients today. neulasta is for certain cancer patients receiving strong chemotherapy. do not take neulasta if you're allergic to it or neupogen (filgrastim). an incomplete dose could increase infection risk. ruptured spleen, sometimes fatal as well as serious lung problems allergic reactions, kidney injuries and capillary leak syndrome have occurred. report abdominal or shoulder tip pain, trouble breathing or allergic reactions to your doctor right away. in patients with sickle cell disorders, serious, sometimes fatal crises can occur. the most common side effect is bone and muscle ache. ask your doctor about neulasta onpro. pay no more than $25 per dose with copay card. p3 it's meat, cheese and nuts. i keep my protein interesting. oh yea, me too. i have cheese and uh these herbs. p3 snacks. the more interesting way to get your protein. i we worked with pg&eof to save energy because wenie. wanted to help the school. they would put these signs on the door to let the teacher know you didn't cut off the light. the teachers, they would call us the energy patrol. so they would be like, here they come, turn off your lights! those three young ladies were teaching the whole school about energy efficiency. we actually saved $50,000. and that's just one school, two semesters, three girls. together, we're building a better california. we've got thousands across this country gearing up to protest the separation of children from their families. among them in el paso, texas the latest, nbc's cal perry is covering that for us. had do you expect to see where you are? >> we'll see at least a few hundred people, maybe a few thousand marching from where i am to the footbridge that connects el paso to the city of juarez, you can expect to hear a lot about this tent city that exists 40 minutes to the south of me at the border, at least 326 children are being held at least 23 of those kids are still separated from their parents, no word on those reunions and no word on the broader reunions of course at least 2,047 children still separated from their parents across the country. that is what you can expect to hear from here as the march will get under way in about 90 minutes. alex? >> we know you're going to keep an eye on that for us, cal perry, good to see you. today is a day of uncertainty for hundreds of people from puerto rico who have been displaced after hurricane maria. some staged a protest this week because housing vouchers they received from fema expire at midnight tonight. so tomorrow they could be out on the street. here's one mother's story from nbc news digital. so a group of senators september a letter to fema yesterday requesting a 60-day extension of the transitional shelter assistance. as of now, no word on a decision. remember, that deadline is tomorrow. to see more of the nbc news digital documentary, the disaster is not over, you can go to nbc news.com/femavouchers. the rally at washington's lafayette square today is a personal matter for one hollywood star. up next i'm going to speak with "orange is the new black "'s actor diane guerrero, her family nightmare, her family was deported and she survived as a virtual orphan. 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with whom did you live? >> it was family friends, i didn't have much family in boston where i grew up. it was my school, i went to an art school that supported me. and that you know, everyone took part in that development and i was very resourceful. but i know that it's one in a million, it's not you know, and i was, i am a citizen so that made it easier. but not everyone has this journey. it's not as easy for everyone. >> you were born here. when they left did you worry that you might never see your family again? >> well i went to colombia and i visited them. but i mean it was a very different life for all of us. we were emotionally so damaged. and the trauma had been so harsh for us. it just changed our lives forever. i mean we already had been living in fear. and then when it happened, it just -- it really did change the course for us. but yeah, i worried what would happen to me if i would go to school. if i, if i would be able to take care of myself. those things were sort of unknown for me. and i mean i managed. and i think that why i'm sharing is because there wasn't really, i didn't find that support that i needed from my country at the time. i think now we're having a larger conversation about it. i want to be part of that conversation. >> you're going to be. >> i know you're going to be at the rally in lafayette park. i believe there are up to 50% or more expected there. you're following lin-manuel miranda, as you take the stage. this is passionate for you and you've lived it. what's the message you're going to send? >> the message to the families and the children is that they're not alone. that they have people who care about them. and love them and that we are fighting for them. we are also sending a message to the white house and to the country that we're not going to stand for this injustice. that separating children from their families is wrong. it's immoral, it's inhumane. that's not the kind of country that we want to be. we need to unite and we need to get together and vote in november. >> is there a statement made do you think by the fact that the president is not in residence across the street today, able to look out a window and watch this rally personally? >> yeah. the statement is -- he doesn't care. >> and your family today, where is everyone? >> everyone is in colombia. and they're rooting for me. my parents are so proud of me. and they're so happy that i was able to hone this, my story and our truth. and fight for families who are going through the same thing. >> i got to tell you, your family has good reason to be proud of you. you have a lot of fans in the studio and it has a lot more to do with just what you do as an actress on "orange is the new black" and also the author of the book "my family divided." diane garia, we're very much impressed by you. coming up at the top of the hour, "a.m. joy" looking at the issue surrounding the families involved in the protest. the aggressively hostile treatment by republicans of rod rosenstein on capitol hill, what did it accomplish? 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what does that mean? like what? >> i'll join a million other people surrounding the united states capitol. >> let's bring in jonathan alter, columnist for the "daily beast" and han msnbc political analyst and republican strategist. lauren zell, managing director of fp 1 strategies. good morning to you both. so jonathan, is that the democrats' best and only option at this point? get a million people to rally and essentially according to michael moore, literally block people from being able to get in there and take that vote? and is this also a toss-up as to whether the dmom stragss could produce any real tangible results? >> i actually, i respect michael moore and a lot of what he's done. i don't think that's the right strategy at this point and i think democrats have to think harder about what the actual pressure points in the senate are. and how to for instance get senator lisa murkowsky, senator susan collins, to come around and vote their conscience. they're both pro choice. >> so the president nominate somebody who is not pro choice, jonathan? >> he is. 100%, he will nominate somebody who is not pro choice. >> isn't it a guarantee that those two will turn? >> it's not a guarantee at all. they have a lot of counterveiling pressures on them and i also thirk there's a problem with a couple of democrats, i personally think that judge amy coney barrett is going to be the choice. in part because she is from indiana. which would put a lot of pressure on senator joe donnelly, who is running for reelection, a democrat running for reelection in indiana. he's got a very tough race. that's a pro-turn state. he voted for gorsuch. they not only have to get collins and/or murkowski, they have to hold the democrats so this is a difficult tactical challenge for democrats. they mostly need to also expand the argument, and the best new argument, which senator cory booker put on the table last night, is to say that there should be no appointment, no confirmation process until after mueller completes his investigation because it's a total conflict of interest since so many issues related to this investigation might come before the court. you can't have a trump appointee. you can bet that he's going to ask these people for their loyalty. that's what he's done with everybody else he's appointed, so that would immediately knock that person out of the box when it should knock that nominee out of the box when it came to ruling on these very difficult questions. can a president obstruct justice? can a president be indicted? there are many, many legal questions that will very likely go to the supreme court that come out of the mueller investigation, and so they just need to keep eight members until that investigation is completed. people say, oh, supreme court can't function with eight. well, they did, remember, after scalia died in february of '161'161, it was a year and a half when they only had 8. this nomination process can be put off. those are legitimate grounds and i think senators should be appealed to on that basis. >> you mention amy coney barrett and i got an e-mail from peter, who's going on the broadcast later. that's the name that comes to the top for him as well. laura, now, do you think these demonstrations could backfire on democrats? could that inevitably mobilize counterdemonstrators, energize republican voters? >> certainly. this week was really interesting because this is the reason that people on the right who did not like donald trump during the election voted for him. they held their nose and they said, it's about the supreme court, and nothing motivates the right more than the judiciary. i mean, i understand michael moore's perspective, and i do think that, you know, this -- this could be an issue that will motivate the left, but it won't motivate it as much as it motivates the right. and also, we have to remember here, the senate map still doesn't look good for democrats, so i've been kind of confused by these arguments. i actually think that jonathan makes a good point, referencing what cory booker said. i think that's a more legitimate argument than just saying, well, it's an election year. it's not the presidential year so the person choosing the nominee is not going to change so what you're seeing -- that's the flaw, i think, one, in that argument. and two, say what you will about the house, but the senate map is not good for democrats so for these people that are saying, wait until after the election, i think, why? so you can confirm it with a stronger gop majority? because the map for -- in the senat senator dems this year isn't terribly friendly. >> if it goes that way. i have not too much time left. i want to get to the house judiciary committee hearing. the gop ramped up the attacks on rosenstein during the hearing. take a look at this. >> you know, they talk about the mueller investigation. it's really the rosenstein investigation. you amointpointed mueller. >> there's an old saying that justice delayed is justice denied. whatever you got, finish it the hell up. because this country is being torn apart. >> mr. rosenstein, why are you keeping information from congress? >> congressman, i am not keeping any information from congress. >> i want to know why you won't give us what we've asked for. >> sir, i certainly hope your colleagues are not under that impression. that is not accurate, sir. >> i'm going to let both of you have a crack at this. we only have about a minute left. jonathan, your reaction to that. are the republicans just doing the bidding of the president, trying to paint him in this way that he's not forthcoming? >> they're pathetic water carriers and they put the "h" in hypocrisy. trey gowdy spent two years on the benghazi investigation with nothing. rosenstein has real evidence of wrong doing that he's uncovered so gowdy was completely out of line. jim jordan said, why won't you turn over records of phone calls? and rosenstein said, because there aren't records of phone calls. like, they don't know what they're talking about. they were just trying to harass rosenstein. >> and your thoughts on this, lauren? >> well, it was certainly good political theater. i think a lot of people on the right have -- still have a lot of anger about the text sent by peter strzok in 2016 about stopping donald trump but what i would look at is if you look at ron desantos, running for governor of florida, this is political theater at its finest. i don't know that it did anything to advance the investigation. but you got to look at the politics around this more than anything else. >> yeah. all right. always good to talk with both of you. lauren, jonathan, thank you so much. coming up next, joy reid is going to be in washington. she's covering today's families belong together rally there. she's going to speak with a former official about calls to eliminate i.c.e. we have a drum troupe playing in new york city and there's washington, d.c., lafayette square, where they're getting ready to get things going shortly. so, i needed legal advice, and i heard that my cousin's wife's sister's husband was a lawyer, so i called him. but he never called me back! if your cousin's wife's sister's husband isn't a lawyer, call legalzoom and we'll connect you with an attorney. legalzoom. where life meets legal. it all started when donald trump tore thousands of immigrant children away from their parents. we the people challenged him in court and in the streets. then trump was forced to admit that his policy was wrong. and he caved. the court just ruled that trump must reunite every family he broke apart. 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TennesseeUnited-statesJerseyWest-virginiaNew-yorkCapitol-hillDistrict-of-columbiaAlabamaNorth-dakotaLafayette-parkIndianaMissouri israel. congresswomen tlaib writing quote visiting my grandmother under these oppressive conditions meant to humiliate me would break my grandmother's heart. she also wrote if you truly believe in democracy then the close alignment of ill prime minister netanyahu with trump's hate agenda must prompt a re-evaluation of our unwavering support for the state of israel. the president on twitter accusing tlaib grandstanding and saying her refusal to visit israel was a set up. let's dig into this. we have a correspondent from bloomberg news and writer for "vanity fair". welcome to you guys. kevin, let me start with you. what's the net result of this nasty back and forth that's been going on? >> well, look. i think there's two points i would make. first and foremost there's no question citizen an important ally to the united states. the question becomes for house democrats in particular is how far they are willing to take what has now become an open debate within the democratic party and the house of representatives with regards to how to treat israel. i talked to so many democratic staffers and i'll be candid. i also talked with democratic members who are uncomfortable, to put it mildly with the rhetoric that's come out of the likes of congresswoman tlaib and omar on this particular issue. it's one thing to raise questions about an administration in another country. and to have concerns, for example, about prime minister netanyahu. it's an entirely different thing to question the u.s. relationship with israel in term of these -- in terms of this important alliance. the second point president trump is trying to elevate congresswoman omar, congresswoman tlaib and others to really become the face of the democratic party to take that power away from speaker pelosi and that is a political strategy that the administration is using as it heads into the 2020 cycle. >> abigail, you wrote at length about this squad, the so-called squad saying they are not mont monolithic. why is the president targeting these women out of that squad. >> the president has in the last couple of days heightened his attacks on tlaib and omar in particular and one of the main reasons my reporting has found is that he really views them as sort of, you know, the best foil for him. they look at viewing them as the most controversial of the four women who make up this sort of informal group known as the squad and he also looks at their polling and his advisers have advised him to zero in on the two of them and we've seen that strategy play out in the last couple of days particularly on this issue. >> we should mention that congresswomen tlaib, i mentioned that she released a statement and she said she rejected the offer to visit israel under quote oppressive conditions in which israeli interior minister said her hate for israel overcomes her love for her grandmother.ten so ugly. is this about principle for tlaib or is there more room for just politics, kevin? >> i think that's a question that congresswomen tlaib will have to answer but i think what you're noticing now is for how house democrats after the august recess in particular, how are they going to coalesce behind some type of new messaging for what the democratic party wants to put out there with regards to israel? and that's a question that i think you're going to see speaker pelosi likely address head on once lawmakedemocrats r back. the administration is looking to have, to put out some type of middle east peace plan in the next couple of months, maybe by the year's end. we're heading in to 2020 elections. you take all of that at face value, and we're in the middle of a crossroads in terms of where the next type of strategy will come from. but i totally agree with abigail. i think her reporting has been spot on this in terms of calculation of le le elevate the likes of ilhan omar to take it away from speaker pelosi. >> he didn't gain a lot of traction with aoc. does it happen they are both muslim? >> yeah. i think when we're looking at his attacks on the squad they have been varied. you mentioned aoc. he went after her. one of the things he realized in going after her is she is somebody who very good at social media and pushed back and fought back as they say. as we look at this group he views these two women in particular and their muslim faith as something that's a political win in his mind if he goes after them. so i think, you know, i don't think we can overlook that when we're talking about his attacks particularly on these two women. >> all right. we'll leave it there for now. stand by because the day's other big headline. gun control rallies planned all across the country, two weeks after two mass deadly shootings. some heart warming scene, by the way in el paso. strong show of support for the husband of one of the victims, one of the 22 killed who opened up her funeral to anyone who wanted to pay their respects and as such this is just a reflex of american support for that man. hundred showed up. fox news poll shows overwhelming support for expanding background checks for gun sales. here's what president trump focused on during a rally this week. >> we are working very hard to make sure we keep guns out of the hands of insane people and those who are mentally sick and shouldn't have guns. years ago many cities and states, i remember it so well, closed mental institutions for budgetary reasons. they let those people out on to the streets. we're going to have to give major consideration to building new facilities for those in need. it's not the gun that pulls the trigger, it's the person holding the gun. >> also new today insight on how president trump is reacting to indications the economy that he was banking on for re-election may be flagging. a republican close to the administration tells "the washington post" the president quote thinks that all the people that do this economic forecasting are a bunch of establishment weenies, elites who don't know anything about the real economy and are against trump. the "post" continues the government officials plan no new steps to mitigate a recession. instead he's getting upbeat assessments saying the economy is stronger than forecasters making it out to be. here's how the president is defending his handling of the economy. >> see the bottom line is, i know you like me and this room is a love fest. i know that. but you have no choice but to vote for me because your 401(k)s, down the tubes, everything will be down the tubes. so whether you love me or hate me, you got to vote for me. >> that's a campaign slogan don't you think. kevin and abigail are back with me. despite reports of trump being worried about the economy privately, he held some talks with banking executives when the market was tanking this week. according to the associated press trump is skeptical about the weaker economic indicators. wondering if the media and establishment figures manipulating the data to make him look bad. how big of a problem is the economy poses for him if it goes down. >> a huge problem for him. i think when you've taken credit for the economy for the last two years, if there's a downturn in the economy then you also have to shoulder that. i think that would be very difficult for the president going into 2020 particularly given i think the economy as it is now is one of the best things that he has going for him. but also back to the earlier point about him raising concerns about, you know, whether people are manipulating information or data i do think that fits trump playbook. here's somebody who is told repeatedly by polls he wasn't is going to win and the fake news was against him. when we look at the way he treats this or the way his aides talk about his perception of the economy at this time i think it's all part of the same sort of view that everybody is out to get him and it will be interesting to sort of see how the administration responds given trump's stance on that. >> if you recall, kevin during the last campaign the president was looking at economic numbers that obama had and saying, questioned whether or not those numbers were real. seems like similar tactic this time around. >> here's an inconvenient truth. regardless of who is in the white house, a democrat or republican, there's only so much they can do to prevent a recession, especially when we're living in such a globalized economy. i talked to economists all week about the volatility on the market, whether or not it will trickle out and lead to a recession. they are not talking about u.s. domestic policy or even u.s.-china trade relations. what they are concerned about, the root of all of this is what's happening in europe and it's very diversified in term of the political ideology in europe. you see germany is having a terrible time intern of how their economy is doing and they obviously have a more progressive government. then you look at italy. the italians, rise of a conservative movement in italy and the uneaseiness of what's going on with brexit and the euro. all of that has really provide an even furthermore angst. top flynn you're president trump and looking at the talk, the chatter of the wall street chattering class talking about a recession the biggest concern from his vantage point is wall street starts to price in a recession. that poses not just significant political risk for the president or politicians it also would have severe effects on main street as well. >> including the consumer outlook. kevin and abigail our thanks to both of you. the latest turn in the jeffrey epstein suicide story why his attorneys have a problem with the autopsy report and the legal battle that lies ahead for his long time friend. with fidelity wealth management you get straightforward advice, tailored recommendations, tax-efficient investing strategies, and 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epstein one week after he was found unresponsive in a new york city jail cell. the newly released autopsy report saying his death was ruled a suicide by hanging. kathy park with the latest. >> reporter: this morning another twist in the jeffrey epstein scandal. autopsy results officially ruling his death a suicide by hanging, disproving conspiracy theories suggesting he may have been killed along with his secrets. multiple sources familiar with the case say the 66-year-old inmate hanged himself with a bedsheet. but epstein's attorneys writing late friday it's indisputable the authorities violated their own protocols. we're not satisfied with the conclusions of the medical examiner. epstein was found unresponsive in a federal jail a week ago. awaiting trial on sex trafficking and conspiracy charges. the federal prison system became the target of harsh criticism from lawmakers who questioned how a high-profile inmate could take his own life when guards should have been checking every half an hour. two sources familiar with the case telling nbc news that investigators are now comparing log books and surveillance video to see if there were any gaps and if guards fell asleep when they should have been watching epstein. authorities also want to know why epstein was taken off suicide watch after he was found injured with marks on his neck last month. meantime the mystery deepening over epstein's inner circle. his long time ghislaine maxwell, accused of recruiting under age girls. maxwell has never been charged and repeatedly denied of being an enabler. while she stacey lent the shakeup isn't over. epstein's death means there's no longer a criminal case against him but the legal battle over his estate is just beginning. at least three alleged victims have already filed civil lawsuits. >> you mentioned there in your piece epstein's lawyers say they are not satisfied with the m.e.'s report. what's their next step? >> reporter: the attorneys released a statement last night and believe the jail broke protocol. right now they believe that they can potentially pursue legal action by getting ahold of any footage that may have been around epstein's jail cell to see if there are some more questions that can be answered there. >> a lot of people wondering if there was surveillance footage. our thanks to you. there is a new footnote to the report. the aforementioned ghislaine maxwell was reportedly spotted in los angeles fast food restaurant in and out, supposedly reading the book of honor, secret lives of operatives. his book was published nearly 20 years ago now sold out on amazon. let's get to the legal fallout. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. thank you for being here. so you have, at least three women accused jeffrey epstein of sexual abuse and rain and filed lawsuits against his estate. how complicated could this case get now? >> it's also very complicated. while those accusers may have strong cases people will being shocked if ultimately the strongest civil case that comes out of this, out of epstein's suicide is the case by his family, his survivors against the jail that was holding him, ncc here in new york. that's because the attorney general himself gave a press conference in which he lambasted essentially the conduct of his own prison, i should say jail facility in holding epstein. epstein had a constitutional right like everybody else to adequate mental haish while a detainee and there will be a cause of action claim against the government for failing to prevent his suicide. >> you were talking about the attorney general right there and that press conference that he held earlier in the week. he also spoke about any possible accomplices. here's a listen. >> let me assure you that this case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with epstein. any co-conspirators should not rest easy. the victims deserve justice. and they will get it. >> there is also a new lawsuit which is asking for the 2007 plea deal giving immunity to his accomplices to be reversed because of epstein's death. how likely is that to happen? >> here's where it gets complicated. originally jeffrey epstein pleaded guilty in state court to various sex crimes and we all know he served most of that time at home or not at home at his office on work release. then he entered into a nonprosecution agreement not a plea agreement but with the federal government. this is something so rare that attorneys like me i never entered into a nonprosecution agreement with federal government because it's not something that they offer. if somebody is going to take responsibility then usually they've plead guilty to something. so this nonprosecution agreement was alleged to be in violation of federal law requiring the government, the prosecutors to inform victims of its existence. so this is a really interesting issue of contract law because if the parties entered into it willingly what about the folks left out of the contract completely? do they have any cause to invalue dainva invalidate the contract? it will require a lot of disclosure not only of the agreements themselves but the discussions that went into making those agreements. >> increasingly seems as if what was already a complicated case just got even more so complicated. so, danny, one of the accusers spoke with nbc's savannah guthrie last month about the abuse. take a listen. >> you're 14 years old. >> he new very well my age. he knew exactly, you know who he was hanging out with. i don't think he cared. >> did jeffrey epstein rape you? >> yeah. he raped me. forcefully raped me. he knew exactly what he was doing. and i don't think cared. >> can any of these alleged victims actually expect to get some of the millions that epstein supposedly had? >> sure. it's possible. that's why on the first day of the trial victims act that went into effect which i believe was thursday you saw a flury of lawsuits, not against epstein particularly but against defendants all across the state of new york. the challenge is with all these lawsuits against epstein's estate is who lines up first. who gets paid first, assuming that the estate is found liable in all instances. it will be a very strong set of civil cases because all you have remaining are plaintiffs and their allegations. you don't have a civil defendant living to take the stand and deny that any of this occurred. so it's going to be very challenging for the esstate to defend against these claims and even more complicated to figure out how do you line up, like a bankruptcy case in federal court, how do you figure out all the parties owed money and who gets priority. >> not something you can do like a class action lawsuit sort of thing. >> no. not likely. here's why. class action lawsuits require commonality and a couple of other elements. you need a lot of folks. they need similar claims. similar enough it's fair to prosecute all their claims as one and not treat them as individuals. each of these claims have a lot of common facts. however, each individual's experience, how they were victimized is very, very unique. so it would not be in the plaintiff's best interest to bring this as a class action when each individual claim so long as it meets the statute of limitations is viable and i think it would be in their best interest to prosecute it individually. that's use see them being file individually. >> danny one more quick question here about ghislaine maxwell. you saw her there at in and out in california. will she face any criminal charges any time soon? >> i think there's a electronic possibility that the federal government is going to look her way. now that their high-profile defendant is deceased, maxwell probably had a better chance of not being prosecuted at least when the government had a living epstein to prosecute. now that he's gone, attorney general barr has all but said that they still need to blame someone. so anyone in epstein's close circle should be concerned. 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anyone else in israel or the occupied west bank prompting president trump to take to twitter last night to taunt her about the controversy. after congresswoman rashida tlaib rejected israel's offer to visit her grandmother in the occupied west bank president trump took to twitter late friday suggesting tlaib was only out to make israel look bad. permission was quickly granted where upon tlaib obnoxiously turned the approval down. a complete set up. the only real winner is tlaib's grandmother she doesn't have to see her now. after she was first barred tlaib appealed to the israeli government citing her grandmother's age, 90 and suggesting there may not be many more chances to see her. the israelis relented but it came with conditions. while there she couldn't promote an international movement to boycott israel. after initially agreeing tlaib decided it wasn't worth it. writing i have decided visiting my grandmother one these oppressive conditions stands against everything i believe in and that would break my grandmother's heart. this as nbc news confirmed president trump has talked to aides and members of congress about possibly buying greenland. the massive resource rich island is home to a military base and 65,000 citizens living in what is an autonomous part of denmark whose former prime minister mocked the idea. calling it an april fools' joke. as many greenlanders rejected it out right. >> it feels as if he's per periperpe turn alizing it. yesterday the president convened a member of his foreign policy members including vice president pence and the subject was afghanistan ongoing peace talks with the taliban and a way out of the longest war in american history but already conservative allies of the president are warning him do not trust the taliban. >> a lot on the president's foreign policy table at this hour. thank you. joining me right now for more on this, former deputy assistant secretary of state joe rubin. thank you for being here. >> great to be with you. >> israel's interior minister wrote in a tweet about congresswoman tlaib. i approved her request as a gesture of goodwill on a humanitarian basis, but it was just a provocative request aimed at bashing the state of israel. apparently her hate for israel overcomes her love for her grandmother. some harsh words there. what do you make of this situation? >> this situation is breaking the collective heart of the american jewish community and it's depressing to watch a close american ally israel play into memes and ideas that president trump is promoting and to really exacerbate tensions in the american political community about how to deal with the occupation. that's the real core issue here which is that israel's occupation of the west bank in the gaza strip now for more than 50 years has not been resolved and so the idea that this can be maintained permanently is one that democrats in particular do not accept, and the president, he's playing to a base of hard-line supporters and essentially saying keep it going israel despite his danger to long term survival. >> this next question here two fold here because i'm curious what's at play for both politicians, b.b. and the president. 80% of american jews support the democratic party. what exactly is his play here to tap into that solid voting bloc? >> president trump doesn't really care about the american jewish vote. he mouths it but what he cares about is a hard right base of supporters in the evangelical community that really well go lock step with him on this hard extreme policies towards israel and so yeah he's out of step with the majority of american jewish opinion and that's why it's so controversial because it's breaking the bipartisan support for israel that we have enjoyed for many years and he's playing to his base of right-wing support in the evangelical community and ignoring really the long term connection between u.s. and israel. >> let's talk about b. b. exactly a month from today israeli go to the polls yet again for the second time in six months after they couldn't make a coalition government earlier this year. so how does this play for netanyahu and the politics there? >> well it's not a coincidence this is happening right before b.b.'s next opportunity to maintain power. it's been nearly two decade of his prime ministership. he does this all the time. netanyahu did this in 2015 when he came to the u.s. and spoke against president obama's nuclear deal right before an election campaign. he came to the u.s., you'll recall several months ago before the last election. so netanyahu is always going to his far-right base to get just enough votes to cobble a coalition together. 61 votes, maybe 62 if he's lucky to get his coalition but it's very narrow so he's trying to galvanize every single voter he can from his hard right base. >> how unheard is this. what are trump and netanyahu afraid of? it says there are not many traditions of decorum that president trump has not trampled on since entering the white house but to put at risk so cynically america's special relationship with israel solely to titillate the bigots in his base to lean so crassly on a foreign leader to punish his own political adversary to demonstrate. this is even new territory even for him. how unprecedented is all of this? >> never been seen before where an american president is willing to break a relationship between the united states and a foreign country, one that many americans support in order to advance very narrow political aims. and so we've seen this president embrace foreign nationalism. we're seeing him embrace people like the hungarian president. he can visit israel without any controversy. but then use a smear against congresswoman tlaib and ilhan omar to say they are anti-semites when the hungarian president is promoting anti-semites that we in the jew feel we're under attack. the president is manipulating the system. and looking at israel as nothing more than a political pawn for him and doesn't really care about the consequences which is very dangerous for the american jewish commune and our two countries. >> we're so happy to have you here and your insight. our thanks to you on this saturday morning. we're just getting started. there's much more ahead this morning on msnbc. at the top of the hour "up with david gura" and he joins me now. >> we're beginning to see the consequences of president trump's america's first policy all over the world. new concerns about a possible recession. no shortage of hot spots. protests continue in hong kong. white house has not issued an official statement. north korea conducting another weapons test. continued concern about brexit. and the united states is sitting on the sidelines on all of these issues. christopher hill will join us to talk about this. amid the fallout from what you're talking about, israel's decision to bar two lawmakers to visit that country. we'll sit down with seth bolton. we'll ask him about the push 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"the washington post" reports the initial withdrawal would include some 5,000 of the 14,000 u.s. troops there. the president met with senior aides yesterday in new jersey on recent talks with the taliban. joining me now from new jersey "the washington post" phillip ruettiger, co-author of that report. thank you for being here. what's driving this push to get troops out of afghanistan after some 19 years. is it more about the policy or politics, perhaps? >> well, ate little bit of both. president trump campaigned in 2015 and 2016 on withdrawing u.s. troops from some of these foreign entanglements and at the top of the list is the nerve ending war in afghanistan. this has been a priority of his and as he looks towards re-election now three years into office he's trying to make good on that promise. he wants to pull these troops back, but as you know it's a much more complicated picture than that. the meeting here in bedminster, new jersey yesterday was with the president, vice president pence, secretary of state, secretary of defense, they got a briefing from the u.s. envoy who has been doing these negotiations with the taliban and the initial plan under consideration as you just mentioned is to withdraw about 5,000 of the 14,000 u.s. troops who are currently in afghanistan in exchange the taliban would renounce al qaeda, the terrorist group but there's some republican opposition to this plan and it's not clear if a decision has been made or will be made in the immediate future. >> talk through that republican opposition because there are many, including lindsey graham, a close ally of the president who are not behind this plan at all. >> he's not. that's right. senator graham issued a statement preemptive statement, if you will, before this meeting yesterday saying it would be foolish for the united states to trust the taliban would combat terrorism in afghanistan and be the biggest mistake since president obama's nuclear deal with iran. clearly a statement aimed at influencing president trump's thinking on this. but as we've been talking about the president is determined to try to withdraw some of these troops, if not all of them. he does not want troops in average and trying to come to some sort of agreement here. >> do we have any sense of a possible timeline. is he hoping to get all the troops out before election day next year? >> that's a great question. we don't have a sense of the timeline. i want seems like the talks have progressed to a point that some sort of decision or announcement ordeal could be in the offing in the matter of weeks or months. but we simply don't know. we don't have enough visibility into the status of these negotiations right now. trump would very much like to campaign for re-election by saying he's at least begun withdrawing troops from afghanistan if not taken them out entirely. >> he's looking for many issues to run on. another one being the article yesterday trump banking on strong economy to win re-election. frets over possible downturn. how real are the concerns among trump, his advisors, campaign officials. what is trump fretting actually look like inside the white house? >> well, i wish we had a hidden camera in there to see what that fretting looked like. he's concerned because there's been a series of indicators not just here in the united states but in other economies around the world of a possible downturn. that doesn't mean we've begun a recession or necessarily headed towards one but there's cause for concern and the president is alarmed because his political survival is at stake. he and his survivors will tell you and the polling backs them up that without a strong economy he is in a weak position for re-election because the economy is his strongest point. it's the aspect of his job performance that voters approve of the most. so if there were to be a downturn and recessions happen, no president is immune from them, could it be a very damaging political situation for the president not to mention economic situation for the country. >> indeed. that's what he's hoping to run on. all right. thank you. president trump not the nominee, the prediction made this week by the president's former communications director. how we customize car insurance because no two people are alike, so... limu gets a little confused when he sees another bird that looks exactly like him. ya... he'll figure it out. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪upbeat music she's doing it again. no cover-up spray here. it's the irresistibly fresh scent of febreze air effects. 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>> i think it could. the real problem here is that he seems to suffer from being able to say whatever is on the top of his mind. that's something that has not changed since he ran for election in 2016. i think at this point his aids would like him to stay on the topic of the economy. but this could be a nail in the coffin for him. this has been his strongest talking point even though he has not really used it. he did seem to use it the other night in manchester, new hampshire, my hometown. and he did seem to come out swinging on the economy saying that new hampshirites have no choice but to vote for him if they want to see their 401(k)s go up. all i saw this week was a stock market crash and talk of a recession. he will have to find ways to talk about the economy in a way that is more relatable to the current situation. while he has benefited from an economic upturn in some ways, a lot of commentators on both sides of the i'll have said that's his strongest talking point, whether or not he can remain on those facts is an issue moving forward. >> with the base in new hampshire, big ups to manchester, ashley, picking up on that and the republican party, how many people actually have 401(k)s? >> interesting fact there, too. the income in new hampshire is relatively around $70,000. that's pretty high. i think it's the seventh highest in the nation. at that point, you are looking at a lot of people who do have significant income in the state or what is considered significant income. you also have a population of 32% that have degrees over a high school degree. so you still have a lot of people who only have high school degrees. a lot of jobs are manufacturing, more administrative base than they are, you know, continuing education. i think you do have a different dynamic in new hampshire. one thing i would like to point out, the democrgraphics are changing. now the minority population is double digits for the first time in the state's history. whether or not his rhetoric on minorities will play well there, i doubt it. it could have a real impact on his election bid. >> interesting take. the back and forth between the president and scaramucci continues. >> we will not win the election if we decline the economy from here and we have a mental decline of the president of the united states. trying to switch jockeys, everybody knows it. >> howard, he says it is time to switch jockeys. he says by march of next year trump will not be a part of the ticket. what do you make of this? >> so much to say about this. we are talking about the former communications director of the white house, the shortest tenure in the white house's history. some of this is him staying relevant, staying in the news cycle. >> what do you make of his argument? >> just making of the argument? i don't know if there's -- a lot that we heard about the white house, i don't know there's a contingency plan for what happens if this president decides not to seek reelection especially as late in the year as q1 or q2 of 2020. there might be some republicans circling the wawagons, making sure they're prominent in case that happens. >> leave it there. howard franklin, ashley pratt. thank you. she's the new number two. what's behind the climb of senator elizabeth warn, that's next on "up" with david gura. . boost® high protein. be up for life. why accept it frompt an incompyour allergy pills?e else. flonase sensimist. nothing stronger. nothing gentler. nothing lasts longer. flonase sensimist. 24 hour non-drowsy allergy relief he borrowed billions donald trump failed as a businessman. and left a trail of bankruptcy and broken promises. he hasn't changed. i started a tiny investment business, and over 27 years, grew it successfully to 36 billion dollars. i'm tom steyer and i approve this message. i'm running for president because unlike other candidates, i can go head to head with donald trump on the economy, and expose him fo what he is: a fraud and a failure. my dbut now, i take used tometamucil every day.sh it traps and removes the waste that weighs me down, so i feel lighter. try metamucil, and begin to feel what lighter feels like. enterprise car sales and you'll take any trade-in?rom that's right! great! here you go... well, it does need to be a vehicle. but - i need this out of my house. 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