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>> yeah, and if he can convince people that all those people that gathered there were clearing him on and for him, he will do that. he will use to his advantage. he feels like -- this is a guy who cares about nothing else but optics. >> amy and matt will stay with us. and were expecting to hear from nancy pelosi who may have a few things to say about the latest act of defiance by the trump white house. and the growing calls for impeachment from democrats. at the center of that defiance, the form...