then, you said at some point, there was a telephone conversation between the president and the vice president? is that correct? yes. when i entered the office, the second time, he was on the phone with who i later found out to be the vice president. did you hear the vice president, or only hear the president s end? only hear the president s end. it was a calmer tone and then became heated. the conversation was pretty heated. did you hear any part of the phone call? like the end of the president. as i was drops off the note, i remember hearing the word wimp. e called him a wimp. i don t remember him saying you will be a wimp. it s been reported that the president said to the vice president, something to the effect of you don t have the courage to make a hard decision. i remember it was something like that, yeah. being not tough enough to make the call. the wording is wrong. i made the wrong decision four or five years ago. the word that the president call
it s playing out in congressional races and senate races, primaries. that s the question. do you believe the election was rigged and do you believe mike pence was wrong? it s starting already. speaking of the vice president and that pence was 40 feet of the mob. they got within 40 feet of the vice president. we learned that an fbi informant in with the proud boys that with group would have killed the vice president. that s a difficult connection two make. look, if you re sitting in the seat of mike pence, you don t know what s going on? . one of the things going forward into a political campaign is people saying, what did mike pence do? he doesn t know what s going on. he says, if i leave, i appear to be weak.