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What is your way into this material? because its really not on the surface. >> so, i never set out to tell a history story. im also looking for something thats going on in current life. its always something that is spreading from things that are going on in the news. the thing i get dinged for, rightly, i think, in terms of the way i do my work, is that if i want to tell you about something happening in the world today, everything has to start with, first, a meteor hit the air. and then, the din...

Mean, to the extent that there is a leading fascist intellectual in america, the seed is being planted and somewhat fertile soil for a bunch of reasons. and i wonder if you could talk a little bit about why thats the case. there is the fact that world war i was brutal and awful, and theres an interesting thing that happens in both this book and ultra. which is that people who totally understandably and reasonably were like, wow, that was a disaster, being kind of prepared to be like, were never ...

>> yes. >> everybody knows what that is and i i he knows what that is. yes, i mean theres something -- theres a little bit of, i dont know what we should call it. i think of it as a playground thing that he does in terms of his politics. the term was used to describe what was happening in russian information spaces where they were writing legitimately fake made up news stories and then siloing them into the u.s. news ecoadvise through pro-russian sort of covert sources. this thing didnt happen i...

And as far as i can tell, its almost as effective. >> yeah. the thing that is changed, i think, is the iterative nature of the media. your ability to talk back in a social environment. what that does is i think it can work as an accelerant. right? somebody says a lie to you, you repeat the lie back to them. okay, heres a bigger lie. you repeat that to them -- it helps those messages be targeted better, i think. but i mean, yeah, theres a very, very famous celebrity pilot in her day. pilots used ...

Never happened in montenegro. it was a real thing and it was part of what was going on with the russian disinformation and influence and election interference efforts in 2016 and people were starting to figure it out that was one of the weird things that was happening in our information universe in that election. and then trump adopted it and said all news is fake news so then you couldnt use that term anymore to describe this one technical thing which we had been previously describing. and with...

>> two things in terms of analogies. one is it began to feel a little bit like 1976 on the other side with the foured for and the reagan forces duking it out. trying to pull the party to the left. in 76, it was pulling to it the right. in that cast, joe biden and the gerald ford role. the other thing that struck me is it was a little like 1988 and joe biden is in the george h.w. bush position, being dinged for everything he could be dinged for, being attacked for not taking responsibility for th...

Thugs. this is how they operate. 2010, only 2% of players were arrested. it is less thant nba, less than mlb. the nfl doing a better job than everybody else? >> theyre doing as good a job as they can. its almost half of what the average population does. i think the nfl makes the headlines. its the most popular sport on the planet. i dont think murder should be excused in some of the smaller crimes that the nfl gets dinged for. this is a big step up. >> thats a big point. we said arrests in gener...