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Transcripts for MSNBC MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin 20191121 16:12:00

to ferret out this wasn t russia, but somebody wanting to hurt donald trump. theng irony-dish would speak boldly forsh my fellow lawyers this panel that have been in a courtroom and seen a jury, i think any of us would be glad to take this case. i would take it today. i would file it. i would argue it to a jury and i could prove ita beyond a reasonable doubt unanimously to that jury. evidence has become overwhelming. the irony is you know how the presidentu likes to talk about central casting? this guy looks like central casting. he sce really into how people look. yeah. these witnesses are out of central casting in terms of their credibility, their intellect, their commitment to the facts, and not partisanship. they re just astounding how strong they are. to that point, who how do you c examine them?ho what will the republicans do

Transcripts for MSNBC MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin 20191121 16:15:00

much worse it could get if they cut him loose. iran-contra, a scandal where bad things happened, but investigations did not prove that the president was involved, they cut people loose who they said didos the bad things. gordon sondland admitted he was at the center of a plot to do bad things and he brought receipts of emails that showed pompeo and mulvaney were on the email plotting about how that call in advance with ukraine was going to be about the investigation. so all thatou stacks up. one other point i would make that is lessul helpful to democrats, maybe slightly helpful to republicans, i don t think david holmes was an effective witness today. i don t think it matters, because he was just confirming other things. you canhe see where experience comes into play. miss hill, so experienced, so factual, so focused. mr. holmes, who was around for way less important stuff went on the longest.

Transcripts for MSNBC MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin 20191121 16:14:00

key disagreements about whether there was quid pro quo bribery, what happened at that qinfamou meeting, wein the white house where many pictures are taking, does picture taking alone wipe out somebody raising something to lawyers? you re seeing accounts that say no. another point that came up earlier that you raised, where does donald trump stand? he s not strictly denying this anymore. he is quoting himself, call it a self referential lear say. it s not really evidence, it s a notev guilty plea repeated in a weird loop kind of retweet. here s the problem with that. gordon sondland just said under oath that they did quid pro quo bribery. he hasn t been fired for that he hasn t been relieved of his ee post. the white house is notli dealin with that, perhaps because they can t. perhaps because they rey afrai of what else he might say how

Transcripts for MSNBC MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin 20191121 16:56:00

the presidents of the united states does not seem terribly credible. it served no policy purpose. dirtying up the policy served no policy purpose. there wasn t some wider anticorruption agenda. wino, the witnesses today we incredibly strong that they had zero, zeroth evidence that ther wasnc wrongdoing by either of t bidens, that there was any reason to go forward with that. and i thought one thing that was i thought very interestingi toy was that you had daniel goldman elicit from both of the witnesses that when they heard the word burisma, they knew it meant the bidens. that was really taking a shot at sondland yesterday, saying i didn t connect the two. sondland and volker. both played dumb. pl who played dumb. funny how that happens. there isho so much more coming , more testimony from these extraordinary witnesses, congress taking some votes but they will be back in a minute. so will we. don t go anywhere.in

Transcripts for MSNBC MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin 20191121 16:22:00

anti-corruption president and his new parliament to say i m pulling back military assistance untilil you do something krupp r me? thatru doesn t seem like good policy andli obviously it is misconduct on behalf of the president. when you toldn be me i mighte you, you made me feel greedy with your time. you wave sos if you need go. i have one more for you, ambassador mcfaul. we sat here talking about how reminiscent fiona hill s tone andon panic about russian influence felt to what mueller s testimony felt like in his most compelling moments. it was in a line of questioning from congressman will hurd, who is on this committee. i will watch him today to see if he returns to those questions that were on his mind on july 24th. but fiona hill, i think george kent before her and his testimony before last wednesday, put into the timeline between

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