and think it s . you ve got to think to tell the leader of another sovereign state to claimant you can defend yourself, were going to tell you how long you can do it. paul: dan how do you explain what you think explains this change within the democratic party. i could president biden credit for setting up to the pressure from the left for at least for ten days or so. but how do you explain the turn the party. guest: let s look at it is purely a political issue. and take israel sentiment has been going on campuses for at least ten years. the disinvestment movement. in the younger voters democratic voters moving into the electorate are pro- palestinian and they are pro israel. when they argued that doesn t that put the jewish folks at risk. the primary voting bloc in the sport of the democratic party s argued live never happened there s never any evidence that
right now, it s a great disappointment. i was there in the township this past spring and the conditions people are living in and their frustration and anger with the anc i think is growing. i think it poses tremendous challenges for the future. i think these are important questions. i want to flag two things. one, the leadership actually knew what kind of man nelson mandela was. because the negotiations started in 1985. so what became public in 1990 was actually five years in the making. it was very clear nelson mandela was an elder statesman, even while he was in prison. the other thing to remember is the disinvestment movement was very much in touch with nelson mandela. so those two things were actively the anc organized a lot of the di vestment move him.
1990 and saun we pick up the pint bill cohn was making in the last segment, he didn t know, a lot of people didn t know as the anti-aapartheid movement gained force. he didn t know how he would react to being a political leader day-to-day in south africa. did you have a sense back then how he was going to react and his supporters within the anc, is this what they expected when he came out, this sort of tone of rec sill yaegs he offered? people forget in his very first speech he was very, you know, clear about the fact that he was representing this mass move him that had emerged in the 1980s that he represented this long tradition of struggle against racism. not just racism but economic just fis. if you were growing up in south africa in the late 1980s, state censorship was kind of total. i remember personally, i only saw a photograph of mandela about 1985.
got college kids interested and the movement was created. you could almost say it started on capitol hill. it is true, there were conservatives that approved it. you saw can coalitions emerge that would be unthinkable today. i want to thank you. switching gees now, president obama goes back to college. he takes kris jenner matthews along with him. there can t miss conversation at american university this week. we will play a little from it. we will talk about it. that s next. i need a car that s stylish and fashionable. it s saturday, it s time for
reagan s appointees who were on the board of regents. the political symbolism was very powerful. so initially, there was quite a bit of resistance, gradually as that movement bild built and were sustained over several years, we were able to sway public opinion t. sanctions were overturned by the coming, rakeen s veto was over turned and the tide began to change. the movement many people wanted to be associated with. they could see they were on the wrong side of history. a lot of these were floating around. 1985, an active voice in a conservative punditries, in 1985, clearly the current campaigning against south africa is a fad, a moral hoola hoop. even altruism is not fuel for the long haul. it is amazing when you look at the conservative movem.