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This gets put out there -- i dont know what the motivation would be except to keep the war machine going. all im saying im not sure i trust it. trust the information that carrying came up with, anymore i should have trusted it in 2003. >> at it the idea theres a war machine. there isnt a war. my was looking at john kerry there and the bush administration did this, too saying we will never accept north korea as a nuclear power, that what theyre dog is unacceptable. we are accepting it. were not d...

Or only wait until help arrives? the policy here at the glennwood gardens was they would only wait until help arrived even though the nurse, a licensed nurse in the state of california, had the capacity and ability to do it, she said our policy is, were not going to do it. so for seven minutes, this woman lay until the ambulance came and the fire department came and she was pulseless and breathless and unfortunately, basically dead. third thing is will the facility perform cpr or use an a.e.d., ...

Read the fine print. if theres a do not resuscitate we dont know if-- >> were told that there was not a do not resuscitate order. so she had not said torhesuhesr. >> and do you want a d.n.r. >> megyn: were told this woman didnt, but told that the victims daughter told one station shes satisfied how they handled the situation. >> and probably read the contract saying shes not going to have that type of help if the help is needed. thats the dialog that your loved ones have to have at the facilitie...

Include c.p.r.? >> do not resuscitate is one thing. if someone is in a coma and there is a d.n.r. on them, that is different than someone collapsing in a nursing facility. >>gretchen: is this what weve come to where people cannot be good samaritans anymore for fear they might be sued if the end of the outcome is not positive? what got me is that 911 dispatcher saying are you human? do you have a human feeling there? and isnt there someone there, a grounds person, someone you can flag down to hel...

That says do not use any extraordinary measures to keep the person alive. here based upon the ambulance report, the fire department had, there was no dnr. meaning that all extraordinary measures were supposed to be used for 87-year-old miss bayless who lost her life after laying on the ground 7 minutes without any help from this assisted living facility. >> steve: you know what? you got great points that people who have family members in assisted living -- >> read it. if you want your loved one ...

No whether or not she had a dnr in place. had they resuscitated her and there was a dnr in place, we could be talking about something very different. that nurse was really between a rock and a hard place. >> shepard: as could caregiver, where your primary oath is to that patient, man, that must be hard. >> its got to be hard and really got to be hard what she is going through now with all the vilification the press. her response to the 9-1-1 case seems very blase, and i think that whats bothers ...

I understand if you -- if your facility is not willing to do that. give the phone to that passer bye or that stranger then. this woman is not breathing enough. shes going to die if we dont get this started. >> the woman was transported to the hospital but later died. glenwood gardens says correct protocol was followed many. >> she had a do not resuscitate order. and as awful as it sounds from the outside, to hear a dispatcher begging for help, the process of signing a dnr is an emotionally gruel...

More on this. first of all, i think randy, you need to layout what some of the rules and regulations and contracts are at facilities like this. because it make change the dynamic of how people feel about this. >> you need to understand and our audience needs to understand a few things. first of all, a couple of akron nims, dnr, do not res as you say ta tate and advanced cardiolife support, when somebody is in really bad shape and the heart stops and the extraordinary m h measures you have to tak...

But i believe, john, the question becomes if youre talking about senior citizens living there and you have a rule that says you cannot do cpr on a person who lives there, then why isnt there someone in residence, why isnt there a doctor on call, a medical staff on call because these people are at risk even if they are not sick enough to be in a nursing home. >> that brings up a good point. the womans daughter said shes very fied with how glenwood gardens handled the incident, but what do consume...

And these are not law-abiding citizens coming forth, as you know. a lot of money changes hands in these things, and you can bribe criminals to say anything. >> secret service gambled with women too who were supposedly untrustworthy and turns out they were telling the truth. >> bill: but heres the bigger picture. there are certain countries in the world that specialize in this kind of thing. island of hispaniola, which comprises the dominican republic and haiti and type land is another and hong k...