in for him. and i'll just add that we do know in the past donald trump has really not wanted to be indicted of course, but he also doesn't want history books to look at him like this, but in the short term they think that they could see a political lose from this. >> there is a well worn play book for the former president and his team, whether it works with this specific instance is the question. thanks so much. let's bring in former prosecutor and also executive director of the national security institute at george washington law school. thank you both for being here. jeremy, let's die zebssect the charges here. we haven't seen the indictment, but these are all from trump's attorneys. obstruction, false statements. notably conspiracy which means department of justice believes that there was someone else involved here, that the former president coordinated to commit a crime with someone else.